Open Power Association Preliminary Report on Reactors With Tungsten Powder, COP of 2.26 Measured [Update — Video]

I received the following report today from Ugo Abundo at the Open Power Association in Italy, which provides a short overview of tests the association has been doing using a reactor containing tungsten powder and hydrogen (compared to a control run with argon instead of hydrogen).

They report:

“Hydrobetatron preliminarily performs up to 2.26 ratio in hydrogen vs reference run in argon, with electrically pulsed powders at Open Power Lab.

“The contribution of involved heat transfer phenomena is under analysis.”

“The complete set of runs will be discussed at ICCF19.”

The Hydrobetatron is the name of the reactor that the Open Power Association has been developing for some years now. It appears that the test reported here is not the Parkhomov-style experiment that the OPA has recently reported it is carrying out.

Report 012 Spring1 Ottimizzato

Thanks to Pelgrim for finding this video of the electrically pulsed Hydrobetatron:

  • Gerard McEk

    I like the fact that LENR ctan be initiated by discharge as opposed to temperature. That may make the process more controllable. The COP should be improved.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Did they use tungsten as a fuel, instead of nickel? That would appear to be a major advantage, since one might expect fewer problems due to molten particles.

    • Warthog

      My guess is that neither nickel or tungsten is “fuel”, except in undesirable side reactions. Certainly that is the case for Pd/D2 systems. The metal substrate “only” provides the “nuclear active environment” which allows the D2 (or H2) to fuse.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Yes, that is possible. Some of Santilli’s experiments seem to point in this direction. For the time being it might be better to speak of a substrate instead of a fuel.

        • Warthog

          Getting a yes or no answer to the 2H2 —> D2 is one of the more difficult experiments to do. Both the material handling of the sample and analytical finish require VERY finicky attention to detail to avoid either loss of the D2 (and H2), or mistaken mass spectroscopy peaks. And, of course, first you have to get the actual reaction to run reliably. NOT for the faint of heart. Which is why so few experiments have been attempted.

          • Warthog

            Correction…. should be 2D2—>He4. Senior moment……(or maybe insufficient coffee).

      • Alan DeAngelis

        On the other hand, Mitsubishi can transmute tungsten into platinum with deuterium.

      • Axil Axil

        nanoparticles of any element can make any nuclear reaction that results in positive binding energy gain occur. LENR is topological, (based on shapes), the material that forms those shapes are not that important.

  • pelgrim108

    Video of the pulsed Hydrobetatron from Ugo Abundo.

  • Gerrit

    Bill Gates better hurry up with his funding if he wants to be in on the action.

  • I hoped Abundo is doing a Parkhomov like experiment. This one seems completely different and hard to compare.

  • Gerrit

    With all these reported successes I wonder what Brillouin Energy Corp is currently doing.

    • JDM

      Their web site doesn’t look like its been touched in four years!

  • E_man

    For me it looks like Sun Cell of R.Mills.

    • Omega Z

      For me, it looks like we’ll have multiple technologies & you can use/choose the one that best suits your needs. With multiple technologies available, you also have competition. It’s a win win for society.

      • Axil Axil

        Mills has shown that LENR can be adjusted to produce energy based on the wavelength of the EMF produced as visible light rather than heat or XUV and soft x-rays and with a limited shockwave. Conversely, Papp showed that LENR can release energy as a shockwave, pressure increase and visible light without heat production.

  • Sanjeev

    Ukraine, Lenuco, AP, Ugo. Four claims in four days, one after the other. LENR is happening.

    • Ged

      It is quite a spectacular time!

    • ecatworld

      I expect more, as well.

      • Sanjeev

        Sure. We have MFMP, Bob Higgins, Ahern, and Biberian in the pipeline, and another experiment by Open Power Association.

        • Bob Higgins said something like that he knows that in russia over 100 independent attempts are worked out.

          • Sanjeev

            That was not Bob H, as far as I remember, it was Bob Greenyer who was told this by the organizer of the Russian conference where he presented recently. It can be a translation error and perhaps he meant that he *expected* 100s of attempts in Russia. We need confirmation.

          • Yes, right. I forgot the translation difficulties.

  • Warthog

    Even if the reactor design is the “arc discharge in water” approach, if tungsten works there, it will almost certainly work in a “gas-loaded” approach. And if THAT is true, then LENR research (and application) will explode, as the maximum upper temperature limit (and hence thermodynamic efficiency) will be drastically increased.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Fission reactors and chemical combustion could in principle reach quite high temperatures, too, but nevertheless most existing power plants use modest temperature Carnot cycles. I think the reason is that durable high temperature tolerant materials tend to be expensive or otherwise problematic.

      • Omega Z

        Agreed, Robust materials cost more. Tho they tolerate high temps, they also degrade faster at high temps & require more frequent replacement$.

        Then there’s the other issue. Using tungsten would add 2000’C to the ceiling temperature of an E-cat, but then, what would you contain it in?

        With LENR, Material Science becomes the biggest bottle neck to many advances. Even in the uses of LENR. Overcoming 1 problem just opens door to the next…

        • Axil Axil

          A version of LENR could involve a transition of plasma to a state of excited matter. The inner surface of tungsten could provide a zone were a plasma created using a electric arc can condense into nanoparticles that produce the LENR effect.
          Another possibility is the use of heat tolerant nanoparticles suspended in a fluid bed suspension. It is too early to lose hope that engineering can utilize high temperature LENR.

          • Omega Z

            What gives you the impression I’ve lost hope.

            I have confidence in material science & engineering. Anything is possible. It is merely a matter of finding those up to the challenge. And time…

  • Obvious

    Better look that up again yourself…
    That’s not how an Atomic Arc works, if that’s what you mean.

  • nightcreature3

    I haven’t yet heard the original reason, as to why atomic hydrogen welding was discontinued in the sixties. Was it perhaps, that the welders were suffering some ill effects, pertaining to neutron emissions?

    • Ted-X

      I have heard about weak gamma radiation from the atomic hydrogen welding (from some university person/welding specialist in the 1970s).

      • nightcreature3

        Interesting! I would normally expect x-rays associated with electric arcs, but not gamma rays. Maybe this, is the smoking gun. However it may still be possible that these rays are too weak to be a significant health hazard.

  • Axil Axil

    Please supply a reference. I have read that an arc will generate hydrogen nanoparticles(rydberg matter) when the hydrogen plasma cools into an excited atomic state.

  • nightcreature3

    Yes, and it said that this recombination is triggered when the H makes contact with the metal being welded. It is interesting to speculate that the metal might be causing some of the H to fuse to deuterium or helium in the same way nickel catalizes the Brillouin reaction.

    • Warthog

      Langmuir certainly thought it did, but when he broached the subject with Niels Bohr, he was told that any such thing was “impossible”.

    • Daniel Maris

      Having read the comment, it sounds a bit like “same difference”.

      In some ways, I prefer the referenced measurements to more direct calorimetry. As TC says below, ruling out 1 and 2 seem like the way to go.

  • Axil Axil


    “Rydberg matter requires a very low pressure (obviously – because the nuclei must be separated enough for much higher orbitals to be occupied) unlikely to be present here given those H2 bottles.”

    The state of a substance at temperatures and pressures above the critical values is
    called supercritical fluid. The properties are in between those of the liquid and gaseous state. Hydrogen is a supercritical fluid at temperatures above 33.2K and pressures above 31.1 bar.

    Nanoparticles are formed in supercritical fluids as a result of pressure/temperature charge.

    See a demonstration of nanoparticle production theory using a supercritical fluid.

  • Obvious