Live Parkhomov-Like Replication by ‘Firax Tech’ Taking Place (Video) [Update: Event over Reactor Failure]

Thanks to Bob Greenyer for pointing out this live replication effort that is going by someone going by the name of Firax Tech, in an unidentified location (but the experimenter seems to be a Russian speaker).

The author is commenting in the Youtube chat box, and so some details have been given. Thanks to Sanjeev for putting together the following information.

Test of Rossi analog. Red digits are temperature, digital multimeter below shows current. Design of the reactor is unclear and difficult to comment.

The experiment is a repetition of the reactor Parkhomov. Silicium tube with fuel. It took 5 hours. Hourly statistics shows fuel the nano Ni pre-dried + LiAlH4. 400mg of N ickel and LiAlH4 45mg

0.4mm diameter nichrome, wound 20 ohms, wound 60 turns, tube diameter 10mm, 7.6mm inner baked at 100-200C for ~ 2 hour

The tubes are sealed with plugs from clay model based on cellulose and Al2O3 as a filler. Additionally, the ends are filled with epoxy resin.

Part 2

Part 1

There are some images of this reactor and setup at this link: https://mega.co.nz/#F!KVIiEbKa!yMYLYtnPRnOHiv-qPohY8A

Here are a couple of the images:

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Photo courtesy of Firax Tech
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Photo courtesy of Firax Tech

 

I have started an open spreadsheet here for anyone who is following this experiment live to track data. It should be editable by anyone. Only two values entered so far because I am not sure what all the meters are — but please feel free to expand as you wish:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15ODbN9Oq6Pjyp9A61hdX0-fBJIXBBKMk7Ei06PzTc-Q/edit?usp=sharing

Here’s an embed of the spreadsheet that should update live:

The experiment ended at the 3:39:45 point on the second video when the reactor seemed to rupture, and sparks flew out of it. Firax Tech said a new experiment is planned for next weekend. Thanks to Firax for sharing this event with us all1

  • Ecco
  • ecatworld

    I have started an open spreadsheet here for anyone who is following this experiment live to track data. It should be editable by anyone. Only two values entered so far because I am not sure what all the meters are — but please feel free to expand as you wish:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15ODbN9Oq6Pjyp9A61hdX0-fBJIXBBKMk7Ei06PzTc-Q/edit?usp=sharing

    • Sanjeev

      Thanks Frank. I pasted some data which I noted by rewinding the video (every 15 min). But I’m not sure about the time stamp. I put it all in Sheet #2.

    • Sanjeev

      For the meters, see this screenshot posted earlier:
      http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/04/23/alexander-parkhomov-poster-session-at-iccf-19-video/#comment-1989647245

      There is the dimmer on the far left and a radiation detector in the middle (with a big LCD screen).

    • pelgrim108

      This thread (/live-parkhomov-like-replication-taking-place-video) is not featured on the frontpage.

      • ecatworld

        Thanks, Pelgrim — fixed now.

  • Frank Acland

    I have started an open spreadsheet here for anyone who is following this experiment live to track data. It should be editable by anyone. Only two values entered so far because I am not sure what all the meters are — but please feel free to expand as you wish:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15ODbN9Oq6Pjyp9A61hdX0-fBJIXBBKMk7Ei06PzTc-Q/edit?usp=sharing

    • Sanjeev

      Thanks Frank. I pasted some data which I noted by rewinding the video (every 15 min). But I’m not sure about the time stamp. I put it all in Sheet #2.

    • Sanjeev

      For the meters, see this screenshot posted earlier:
      http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/04/23/alexander-parkhomov-poster-session-at-iccf-19-video/#comment-1989647245

      There is the dimmer on the far left and a radiation detector in the middle (with a big LCD screen).

    • pelgrim108

      This thread (/live-parkhomov-like-replication-taking-place-video) is not featured on the frontpage.

      • Frank Acland

        Thanks, Pelgrim — fixed now.

  • Sanjeev

    Some more info noted from the chat:

    Average particle size of nickel 60-80nm (is not Parkhomov powder)

    Power supply: Triac dimmer AC, 50Hz 220V

    The reactor tube is a quartz glass tube taken from the lamps.

    • Ged

      I wonder how well that’ll hold hydrogen. Pretty design though.

      • Agaricus

        Quartz glass (MP c.1700C) should be pretty impermeable to H2, but the end plugs sound a little dodgy: “The tubes are sealed with plugs from clay model based on cellulose and Al2O3 as a filler. Additionally, the ends are filled with epoxy resin.. I would expect some separation of both materials due to differential expansion, and also probably some carbonisation.

    • Obvious

      20 ohms should be about perfect to allow the dimmer control to run to its peak output if it a standard household unit. Maybe slightly more than it is rated for. Typically this is 550 to 600 W. Some margin of safety is built into the rating, depending on manufacturer.

  • Sanjeev

    Some more info noted from the chat:

    Average particle size of nickel 60-80nm (is not Parkhomov powder)

    Power supply: Triac dimmer AC, 50Hz 220V

    The reactor tube is a quartz glass tube taken from the lamps. Length – 142mm

    • Ged

      I wonder how well that’ll hold hydrogen. Pretty design though.

      • Quartz glass (MP c.1700C) should be pretty impermeable to H2, but the end plugs sound a little dodgy: “The tubes are sealed with plugs from clay model based on cellulose and Al2O3 as a filler. Additionally, the ends are filled with epoxy resin”. I would expect some separation of both materials from the glass due to differential expansion, and also probably some carbonisation. Cellulose binder in particular appears to be a rather poor choice.

    • Obvious

      20 ohms should be about perfect to allow the dimmer control to run to its peak output if it is a standard household unit. Maybe slightly more than it is rated for. Typically this is 550 to 600 W. Some margin of safety is built into the rating, depending on manufacturer.

      Edit: Looks like the wire will fail before the dimmer. Good stuff.

      • PMKD

        @Obvious:

        ‘perfect to allow the dimmer control to run to its peak output’

        There is a problem with this statement if the RFI (Radio Frequency Interference) and the near harmonics of a 50Hz AC Triac matter and by all accounts they do.

        1: There is/are little or no harmonics of the 50Hz sinusoid if the triac is fired close to the nulls of the sinusoid and there is also no RFI because there is no substantial high-speed current rise but this is the case at the no power or full power settings of the triac.

        2: The maximum harmonics and RFI occur when the triac is triggered at the maximum voltage of the sinusoid. I have seen some test results from a manufacturer’s data sheets which shows harmonics up to the 40th and RFI up to 30MHz.

        3: Commercial triac products probably contain suppressor circuits for harmonics and RFI in order to comply with law about electrical emissions. The suppressors may well stop/reduce the activation of the ‘fuel’.

        4: It is possible that running a triac at full power and then reducing power towards half to reduce temperatures may have the opposite effect to that intended if the increase in harmonics and RFI stimulates the reactor.

        • Obvious

          I have experimented with dimmers for resistor coil control. Around 20 ohms is good for about 600 W, which is what the average dimmer can handle at 100% conduction without overheating when operated for long periods. What the waveform does or will not do to the desired reaction is mostly conjecture, and I won’t comment on that. The wire seems to have failed before it should have, by my calculations. I wonder also if the voltmeter was getting a good read on the voltage, since I would have expected the coil to reach the peak temperature at a higher amperage than it did, or the amperage looks high for the voltage. The coil load may have some effect on this, though. But it was worthwhile to watch the experiment.

  • Bob Greenyer
    • Jouni

      Me so lycky, have just seen the critical moments!
      Hope data will show how it happened, with sparks at least!

    • It was reported that a few years ago that Defkalion did a test of their reactor with a see-through window made of some super-hi-tech material with a very high melting point. They started the reactor and as soon a the nuclear reactions started the device lit up like the Sun and the hi-tech material melted, which allowed the hydrogen gas to escape or explode and the reaction ended. They reportedly have a video of the event, but they never released it.

  • Bob Greenyer
    • Jouni Tuomela

      Me so lycky, have just seen the critical moments!
      Hope data will show how it happened, with sparks at least!

    • It was reported that a few years ago that Defkalion did a test of their reactor with a see-through window made of some super-hi-tech material with a very high melting point. They started the reactor and as soon a the nuclear reactions started the device lit up like the Sun and the hi-tech material melted, which allowed the hydrogen gas to escape or explode and the reaction ended. They reportedly have a video of the event, but they never released it.

  • Ged

    Is there any easily available control data to compare to?

    • Sanjeev

      No control or calibration. I guess he is looking for power reduction if the lenr happens. That will be a sign. Or a fast increase in temperature.
      On the chat he says, there will be a better experiment next week with Parkhomov powder, this one is a sort of “preliminary” experiment with whatever is available now.

  • Ged

    Is there any easily available control data to compare to?

    • Sanjeev

      No control or calibration. I guess he is looking for power reduction if the lenr happens. That will be a sign. Or a fast increase in temperature.
      On the chat he says, there will be a better experiment next week with Parkhomov powder, this one is a sort of “preliminary” experiment with whatever is available now.

  • Obvious

    Hilarious. I am starting to be able read some Russian without translation, from immersion.

    • Ged

      Haha, that is awesome. You’ll be fluent before you know it at this rate.

      • Obvious

        I doubt I’ll ever be able to speak it, though. Reading it is one thing.

    • Bob Matulis

      Love it!

    • LuFong

      Bang – 3:29:45+, second video.

      • artefact

        a sparkling final.

      • Kapluwie!

        • Ged

          Surprised how long it lasted while pretending to be a roman candle.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Suggestion: Coat the wire in an electrical insulator and wind it on an externally threaded tube to keep it spaced evenly.

        • Obvious

          I have experimented with dimmers for resistor coil control. Around 20 ohms is good for about 600 W, which is what the average dimmer can handle at 100% conduction without overheating when operated for long periods. What the waveform does or will not do to the desired reaction is mostly conjecture, and I won’t comment on that. The wire seems to have failed before it should have, by my calculations. I wonder also if the voltmeter was getting a good read on the voltage, since I would have expected the coil to reach the peak temperature at a higher amperage than it did, or the amperage looks high for the voltage. The coil load may have some effect on this, though. But it was worthwhile to watch the experiment.

  • Obvious

    Hilarious. I am starting to be able read some Russian without translation, from immersion.

    • Ged

      Haha, that is awesome. You’ll be fluent before you know it at this rate.

      • Obvious

        I doubt I’ll ever be able to speak it, though. Reading it is one thing.

    • Bob Matulis

      Love it!

  • Obvious

    Looks like the DMM monitoring current survived the initial wire failure. (Both meters returned to near zero, so that’s good). Then the amp display went blank during a shadowy moment, so was it shut off or did it die moments later? It would be a drag to lose that. I noted that the wire failed at almost exactly the moment it went to 3.5 A
    Note that the volts climb back up after the sparks and the tube cooled down, so maybe the dimmer had internal short protection? I thought he was going to grab the tube while live for a moment.

    • Sanjeev

      The data logged by viewers in spreadsheet shows a big jump in power at the last step. Perhaps that was the reason for burnout of the poor thin wire.

      • Obvious

        The resistance of liquid metal is higher for most metals than as a solid, just below the melting point. Often around double. So given constant current, the power will increase by double.
        A W.A.G.: Resistance is considered to be (base) ~20 ohms, then jumps to maybe ~40 ohms with onset of local melting, volts increase without as much as change in rotation of the dial as might have been previously indicated by earlier adjustments, within moments of the actual adjustment. Causes power spike in graph, due to voltage jump. The dimmer is a constant current design, usually. P = I^2R. So I^2 (2R) = 2P. The entire R and P doubling never actually happens, since the wire essentially explodes as it melts, cools, reconnects, and explodes again…

  • Obvious

    Looks like the DMM monitoring current survived the initial wire failure. (Both meters returned to near zero, so that’s good). Then the amp display went blank during a shadowy moment, so was it shut off or did it die moments later? It would be a drag to lose that. I noted that the wire failed at almost exactly the moment it went to 3.5 A
    Note that the volts climb back up after the sparks and the tube cooled down, so maybe the dimmer had internal short protection? I thought he was going to grab the tube while live for a moment.

    • Sanjeev

      The data logged by viewers in spreadsheet shows a big jump in power at the last step. Perhaps that was the reason for burnout of the poor thin wire.

      • Obvious

        The resistance of liquid metal is higher for most metals than as a solid just below the melting point. Often around double. So given constant current, the power will increase by double.
        A W.A.G.: Resistance is considered to be (base) ~20 ohms, then jumps to maybe ~40 ohms with onset of local melting, volts increase without as much as change in rotation of the dial as might have been previously indicated by earlier adjustments, within moments of the actual adjustment. Causes power spike in graph, due to voltage jump, due to resistance increase. The dimmer is a constant current design, usually. P = I^2R. So I^2 (2R) = 2P. The entire R and P doubling never actually get fully recorded, since the wire essentially explodes as it melts, cools, reconnects, and explodes again very quickly. However the dimmer can react at very high rates, effectively holding current constant while conduction is occurring..

  • Sanjeev

    Live open science is spreading. Good work on the spreadsheet too.

    • Ged

      It’s beautiful watching the community analyze the data as it comes live.

      • Sanjeev

        Yes, I think we should do it for future live experiments too.

  • Sanjeev

    Live open science is spreading. Good work on the spreadsheet too.

    • Ged

      It’s beautiful watching the community analyze the data as it comes live.

      • Sanjeev

        Yes, I think we should do it for future live experiments too.

  • Kapluwie!

    • Ged

      Surprised how long it lasted while pretending to be a roman candle.

  • Sanjeev

    On LENR Forums, me356 said – “Calibration test is coming soon!”.
    http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/1275-Reactor-parameters/?postID=4331#post4331
    Most probably he will do live streaming as mentioned there. This will be yet another event to watch. I’m posting this here just so that anyone who knows the date/time/links can send a alert on the day of streaming, if any.

  • Gerard McEk

    The idea of this spreadsheet was perfect. I did not understand the big input power increase in the last step. That may have blown the reactor. They said there was really an explosion with sparks at the end.
    Sanjeev’s comment came just in a minute ago below. So they do the calibration test afterwards, Ok, but it will be a different reactor. That’s less accurate.

  • Gerard McEk

    The idea of this spreadsheet was perfect. I did not understand the big input power increase in the last step. That may have blown the reactor. They said there was really an explosion with sparks at the end.
    Sanjeev’s comment came just in a minute ago below. So they do the calibration test afterwards, Ok, but it will be a different reactor. That’s less accurate. I hope they use the same spreadsheet.

  • Gerard McEk

    I know that glass can become a conductor when it is very hot. Maybe that caused the short-circuit sparking?

    • Gerard McEk

      I have checked it. At 1000 degrees C it is about 1 Mohm/mm, so that could not have been the reason. Maybe the wires started to move and hit each other.

      • artefact

        On the side where the sparks were seen the winding was wound closer together. So that is what I think.

        • Obvious

          Those windings are rather tight, actually.

      • Obvious

        Any minor imperfection in the wire becomes a liability when it is pushed to its limit. The smaller the wire diameter, the more it will be sensitive to this. A minor nick, a little overstretch, an alloy imperfection, etc.
        The wire could have moved, also. Some alloys stretch more than others.

  • Gerard McEk

    I know that glass can become a conductor when it is very hot. Maybe that caused the short-circuit sparking?

    • Gerard McEk

      I have checked it. At 1000 degrees C it is about 1 Mohm/mm, so that could not have been the reason. Maybe the wires started to move and hit each other.

      • artefact

        On the side where the sparks were seen the winding was wound closer together. So that is what I think.

        • Obvious

          Those windings are rather tight, actually.

      • Obvious

        Any minor imperfection in the wire becomes a liability when it is pushed to its limit. The smaller the wire diameter, the more it will be sensitive to this. A minor nick, a little overstretch, an alloy imperfection, etc.
        The wire could have moved, also. Some alloys stretch more than others.

  • bachcole

    Let’s cut to the chase. Did he get over-unity or not?

    • Ged

      Dunno till he does his control run soon. But we’ve got all the data and great rate of change analysis between watts and temp to see it if it did.

      • bachcole

        Thank you.

  • bachcole

    Let’s cut to the chase. Did he get over-unity or not?

    • Ged

      Dunno till he does his control run soon. But we’ve got all the data and great rate of change analysis between watts and temp to see it if it did.

      • bachcole

        Thank you.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Suggestion: Coat the wire in an electrical insulator and wind it on an externally threaded tube to keep it spaced evenly.

  • Sanjeev

    Denis Vasilenko, who performed this experiment, has uploaded more pictures here:
    https://mega.co.nz/#F!zAoWmLhD!Vo2TGwDVYHO_GQZwUrJ2fA

  • Sanjeev

    Denis Vasilenko, who performed this experiment, has uploaded more pictures here:
    https://mega.co.nz/#F!zAoWmLhD!Vo2TGwDVYHO_GQZwUrJ2fA

    • bachcole

      Has he gotten a reaction yet?

      • Sanjeev

        Not sure, there is no control to compare to. I guess its not likely.
        He also uploaded his own data to the common spreadsheet today.

  • roseland67

    Have any of the testers tried 115 volt single phase heater
    and natural gas combo?
    The ac, even at lower voltage may provide the waveform needed
    and the nat gas can do the heavy lifting of supplying the heat/energy.

  • roseland67

    Have any of the testers tried 115 volt single phase heater
    and natural gas combo?
    The ac, even at lower voltage may provide the waveform needed
    and the nat gas can do the heavy lifting of supplying the heat/energy.

  • Sanjeev

    Not sure, there is no control to compare to. I guess its not likely.
    He also uploaded his own data to the common spreadsheet today.

  • The Magic Zone seems to be between 1000 and 1200 C

  • The Magic Zone seems to be between 1000 and 1200 C

  • hempenearth

    http://vk.com/wall4903022_81056
    These look like follow up photos

  • hempenearth

    http://vk.com/wall4903022_81056
    These look like follow up photos