Rossi on Reactors Working in Concert for High Self-Sustain Periods

Andrea Rossi has commented about how he has achieved synergy between multiple reactors within his 1 MW plant, and that is what has allowed for the high periods of self-sustain mode. Once he talked about having a ‘cluster’ of reactors, but yesterday said that word was vague and used wrongly.

A reader suggested that it might be better to talk of “many reactors in concert.” This seemed to please Andrea Rossi who replied:

Andrea Rossi
June 5th, 2015 at 9:20 PM
Dan C.:
The concert model is proper: wherein many instruments can make a harmony that is not just the sum of single sounds: resonances can generate virtual entities whose energy is higher than the sum of the energy of the singles.
The Mouse has a driving license, of course!
Next time you bake a cake I send him to make the pick up.
Speaking seriously: thank you for your insight.
Warm Regards
A.R.

I find it interesting to see the analogy between E-Cats and musical instruments here — since it seems that in both cases things like harmonics, waveform, frequency, apply — and when you you combine them you can get resonances between them.

The phrase “resonances can generate virtual entities whose energy is higher than the sum of the energy of the singles”, could be describing an important element in getting the high periods of self-sustain mode.

  • Twobob

    Is this the Theme Tune for the Future?
    The rhythm is good but the lyrics are lousy.

  • bachcole

    And to think that some day all this will seem primitive.

    • James Andrew Rovnak

      Again, great Bachcole! Did you help in the manufacture of Rossi’s crystal ball he ordered thru Amazon & is awaiting delivery? your friend & admirer – Jim – Wonder if it will arrive via quad copter?

    • Omega Z

      “some day”
      Depends on perspective. I already consider our science to be in it’s primitive days. However, All the things I see taking place leads me to believe that possibly, within the next decade, maybe, science graduates kindergarten.
      UNLESS

      I’ve recently seen where Scientist,(Mostly in the Physics Community) are advocating that the Scientific Method & it’s Empirical Evidence should be abandoned. Yes, Proving or disproving a Theory is getting to hard for them. Hopefully, well have some politicians with enough integrity to shut off funding to any who follow this path.

      These Scientists are of the view that if a theory is exotically & mathematically written beautiful enough, that is all that is needed. Closer to the truth is likely many of their theories can not be proven or disproven within their lifetime. How can one obtain a Nobel in that situation? However, If they really think it’s just to hard, they should switch careers. Science produces enough garbage without doing it with intent. Aside from that, Mythical Theories lead to an end of Scientific advancement.

  • Daniel Maris

    Great. Now let’s see the orchestra perform in the concert hall…the overture has gone on long enough!

  • Gerard McEk

    I cannot wait to have my LENR controller constructed. It is able to generate short AC spikes (from < 0.01 msec onward) of high currents and can be PWM to accomodate power input control. It provides also short circuiting of the heating coil for damping the out of control run-away of LENR, if that would happen. I just wonder if just DC PWM control would suffice. That would make the controller cheeper and simpler. On the other hand: I believe the prototype should be made such that different wave-forms (e.g.10 Hz to 10 kHz and of different shapes) can be generated for research purposes. What would you suggest?

    • Axil Axil

      I beleive that the short duration and very sharp rise time of the pulse is more inportant to the effectiveness of the stimulation of the reaction than the high current output. Instantanious power in a very short pulse might be greater than a slow rising pulse with high current,

      A pulse can be made so short that it does not heat the lattice. This fast pulse is what Brillouin Energy uses to stimulate their reaction.

      • clovis ray

        Axil axil
        May I ask , does all matter it’s own own resonance, if so why couldn’t the nickel be pulsed at it’s given frequency, in order to get the effect started , and maintained.

        • GreenWin

          It probably could clovis. Peter Hagelstein suggests physical shock can start the reaction “ringing.” So too could a tuning fork adjusted to the resonance of the reactor fuel.

      • Gerard McEk

        I have to work with the electrical laws, Axil. The coil is an inductance. To get a high di/dt (or more importanly a high dH/dt) you need a relatively high voltage and fast switching devices like IGBT’s. Also a low resistance of the coil will help. That is what I intend to use. The number of turns of the coil should be low to get a low inductance, but high to get a high field strength (H). I think I would choose the limited number of turns. This all with the aim to get the highest dH/dt with the shortest current pulse.

  • Gerard McEk

    I cannot wait to have my LENR controller constructed. It is able to generate short AC spikes (from < 0.01 msec onward) of high currents and can be PWM to accomodate power input control. It provides also short circuiting of the heating coil for damping the out of control run-away of LENR, if that would happen. I just wonder if just DC PWM control would suffice. That would make the controller cheeper and simpler. On the other hand: I believe the prototype should be made such that different wave-forms (e.g.10 Hz to 10 kHz and of different shapes) can be generated for research purposes. What would you suggest?

    • Robert Ellefson

      I suggest that you make sure you bring the current sense into the control loop, so that you can switch based magnetic saturation levels.

      • Gerard McEk

        I am not sure that the saturation level of fuel is important (that’s the only material that can be saturated). We will have to play with the maximum currents to see how it influences LENR, but that is where this controller will be made for.

        • Robert Ellefson

          If you construct an oscillator that switches based on the current sense, then the resulting switching frequency is proportional to the inductance, and will reflect the present magnetic permeability of the core. If there are changes to the core characteristics, the measured frequency can be used as a signal to detect these changes. This is what my h-bridge control circuit is doing so far in simulation, and now I’m working on enhancements to the dynamic unipolar and biased polarity excitation modes, such that some number of basic parameterized stimulus functions can be performed in hardware control loops that are configured by a dynamic but much slower software layer in the microcontroller. I expect that the magnetic character of the core will provide a useful signal for experimental and control purposes, and I am eager to see what these measurements can tell us. Good luck with your board! I suggest you als0 consider adding ground particles of silicon steel, about 200 microns in size, to your fuel, as this seems to be what Rossi is using to take advantage of the magnetic fields in his reactors. Fast switching times should stimulate these much more than the slow-switching types of power controllers are doing.

    • Axil Axil

      I beleive that the short duration and very sharp rise time of the pulse is more inportant to the effectiveness of the stimulation of the reaction than the high current output. Instantanious power in a very short pulse might be greater than a slow rising pulse with high current,

      A pulse can be made so short that it does not heat the lattice. This fast pulse is what Brillouin Energy uses to stimulate their reaction.

      • clovis ray

        Axil axil
        May I ask , does all matter have it’s own resonance, if so why couldn’t the nickel be pulsed at it’s given frequency, in order to get the effect started , and maintained.

        • GreenWin

          It probably could clovis. Peter Hagelstein suggests physical shock can start the reaction “ringing.” So too could a tuning fork adjusted to the resonance of the reactor fuel.

          • clovis ray

            Thanks GW

            I like this idea, and think Dr. Rossi is trying to give us a hint, frequency, resonance, the mouse conducts the concert

      • Gerard McEk

        I have to work with the electrical laws, Axil. The coil is an inductance. To get a high di/dt (or more importanly a high dH/dt) you need a relatively high voltage and fast switching devices like IGBT’s. Also a low resistance of the coil will help. That is what I intend to use. The number of turns of the coil should be low to get a low inductance, but high to get a high field strength (H). I think I would choose the limited number of turns. This all with the aim to get the highest dH/dt with the shortest current pulse.

      • James Andrew Rovnak

        Yes & Robert Godes is also putting in 16 hrs a day & at least 6 work days a week. He has a nice tweet site & has always promoted interest of the 99 %. Trying to turn our Oligarchy back to a people’s Democracy benefiting us all for a change again! Nice picture on PCE-830 in Lugano 32 hr test report on Rossi Hot E-cat showing current pulse shape & freqency content, No Axil Axil ? Jim CHEERs

    • James Andrew Rovnak

      You are some potential control design engineer I see.Thanks for your insight Gerard! Your friend & ardent follower Jim

      • Gerard McEk

        Jim, you suggested right. I was an electrical and control engineer. See my answer to Axil above as well.

        • James Andrew Rovnak

          Gerard check picture of PCE-830 shown in Lugano 32 hr test report. Nice picture of TRIAC current spikes & the frequency content of that power input to the Hot E-Cat. Your power source would nicely explore the EM effects specifically on the process! Thanks for sharing! I’m sure MFMP test will at least include one if not two PCE type monitoring & recording units! Jim

  • Jan Nie

    Followers of Dr. Keshe have interesting effects with 4 reactors in star positions.
    Maybe some idea for Dr. Rossi.

    • mrtakeyouaway

      Maybe theey should just Nano-coat the E-CAT in some parts where the fields need to be stronger! 😉

      And maybe Keshe Group need to runt eh same catalytic process as Rossi in the Nano-coated systems they have.

      High efficiency Energy Groups must start joining and sharing research and linking processes.

      I’m almost certainly sure a properly NANO COATED E-CAT would obtain INFINITE SSM.

  • Mike the Engineer

    Interesting that the music analogy came up. For some reason there seems to be a connection between musical aptitude and electrical / electronics engineering. The Johnson O’Connor Research Foundation (which tests for aptitudes) has noted that people who have an interest and ability for the field of electrical engineering will often also have a musical aptitude as well. This correlation does not exist for any other branch of engineering. They can’t explain it, they just note that the correlation exists.

    Some of the readers of this site will know that when control instruments are adjusted to match a given system it is referred to as “tuning” the loop. So, music, controls, two entirely different fields, but in some way they are connected.

    • Tannenbaum

      I have heard the same thing about programmers, too. Something to do with the ability to perceive and work within logical structures.

    • Brokeeper

      It is so true. The whole universe is fine tuned in harmonics from vibrating strings (theory) to harmonic photons within photosynthesis.

      I’m thinking even the accumulated varieties of isotopes forming over time gives additional harmonic control within the fuel, as well as additional decaying heat, thus providing check and balance to the nuclear reactions within the E-Cat and sustaining a longer SSM.
      This makes me believe the fuel may last much longer than a year assuming metal fatigue does not set in.

    • Omega Z

      “there seems to be a connection between musical aptitude and electrical / electronics engineering”

      Yes, The connection is they both involve harmonics, waveform, frequency & resonances between them.

      Taken a step farther, Everything has it’s own frequency or resonance. Theoretically, One should be able to invent/create a device that could heal the sick, make you very healthy or very ill. Or a device properly focused that you could aim at a missile & it would explode or just disintegrate.

      Evidence is all around but, maybe so subtle we don’t notice. Note how some people have ill effects from power lines or are hampered by RF frequencies, however this varies by individual. Tho humans fall with in a certain range, there is some variation. So before I use a device to heal you, It would need fine tuned to you specifically. Otherwise, I may disintegrate you. 🙂

      It’s probably even possible to control objects such as levitating & such, But Science has pushed much of this into the fringes & even into junk Science. Fortunately, Others still look into it. DARPA, NASA: Tractor beams anyone.

      Note when I speak of levitation, I’m talking of a focused device I just point & do. It would appear as if I were breaking the laws of gravity or something. How can a simple human point a hand held device & move a 20 ton stone. He can’t, But the device may manipulate the resonances around it & let nature do the work. I find it interesting that some groups among our ancestors lacking in science & technology understood this better then many do today.

      • mrtakeyouaway

        I’m pretty sure if Rossi added some of the “GANS” (Monoatomic Gas) particles to the E-CAT and Nano-coated (Hot NaOH over the metal to soften, then apply electricity to structure) parts of the system where energy is produced, there would be a SSM overunity effect that we are looking for.

        The Keshe Group is well understanding these energy effects of NANO-COATED metals and how they amplifiy electrical fields both AC and DC.

    • GreenWin

      “Science” is a subset of Art.

  • Axil Axil

    What is the nature of the E cat music? Music as we know it is carried in the air as sound. It involves vibrations in the air. Air carries music to us.

    In the E Cat, Hot Cat and so on, vibration is carries by dipole motion of electrons on the surface of the micro particles. When all the micro particles are in resonance, all the elections on all the nickel micro particles are vibrating in unison. This is called a Bose Einstein condensate. All the dipoles become one and are in sync.

    These dipoles put out a strong EMF field that can influence other dipoles in other reactors. It may be that many reactors in the cluster become synchronize to form a global Bose Einstein condensate where all the dipoles keep each other in sync. This common background EMF field may allow for reactors to share energy between one another via a common EMF field that surrounds the cluster. In such a condition input power may not be needed to pump the dipoles between and among the reactors in the cluster.

    Maybe Rossi has discovered how to interconnect the reaactors in his cluster to share in the dipole vibrations by using an EMF based backbone interconnect so that all the dipoles are joined together in a cluster wide Bose condinsate.?

    See

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v5eBf2KwF8

    The backbone that carries the syncronization here is the platform that the metronomes are sitting on.

    • quax

      A Bose condensate at such high temperatures would be very surprising. These condensates form when bosons occupy the same ground state, e.g. the lowest energy level which necessitates temperatures close to absolute zero.

      Strangely nature divides particles in bosons and fermions, and only the former are allowed to occupy the same ground state. This means that they are described by different statistics in terms of the possible energy spectrum. Fermions have to keep a distance, so their condensate looks slightly different.

      At any rate they also require a very low temp: E.g. http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/fermi_condensate.cfm

      • Axil Axil

        The surfase plasmon polariton is a quasiparticle whose mass is milli electron volts. The max temperature of a Bose condinsate is inversaly prodortional to the mass of the boson. That is why the SPP can form a condinsate at very high temperatures.

        What you say is true for atoms because they have a large mass, But the SPP condinsate can have a very high maximum temperature. because of its very low mass.

        See

        http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v10/n11/full/nphys3143.html

        also

        http://arxiv.org/pdf/1411.6822v1.pdf

      • Bob Cook

        Quax–

        I always thought that a B-E condensate could occur at any energy–i.e., multiple Bose particles can occupy any quantum energy state within a coherent system of particles. (Bose particles have 0 or integral intrinsic spin, whereas Fermi particles have half integral spin. Fermi particles must stay at a discrete energy. within a coherent quantum system at any instant in time.)

        It may be that a B-E condensate in a Ni lattice and a strong magnetic field can exist above low temperatures.. In fat it may be that they need higher temperatures to form for any length of time an d that the energy state they occupy is not what you would call a ground state.

        The energy state involved may include unique spin energies of each Bose particle or Cooper pairs of Fermi particles–like paired electrons or paired protons.

        Bob Cook

        • quax

          Bob, as Axil is pointing out the mass is key as the lower the mass the higher the critical temp T_c . The papers he links are very interesting.

          Now if the energy spectrum of the bosons is so that the temp allows them to escape the ground state they will usually thermally spread around as dictated by the Bose-Einstein statistic. <a href=https://www.eng.fsu.edu/~dommelen/quantum/style_a/cboxbec.htmlBut as long as we are below T_c there will be some condensated in the ground state.

          It would be very interesting to see a process that somehow forces them to condensate into a state above the ground state, surprisingly there has been just such a proposal.

          To my knowledge this hasn’t been experimentally realized.

          • Axil Axil

            There has been a wide range of experimental results that show the light released from the Dark mode solitons is in the soft x-ray range. This shows that the energy absorbed by the soliton increases from the infrared range to these higher XUV wavelength values.

            Does that not say the the solitons can advance in energy content above the wavelength of light that first formed them?

            The deep ultrviolet light produced by sonoluminescence is an example of this energy conversion process.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-0D68JvwxA

        • James Andrew Rovnak

          Yes making ULM neutrons is the key! What think you Bob? They are gobbled up quick after formation! Jim

    • clovis ray

      Axil, I have always thought this was the right analyses ,and i believe this or something very close to it, can be part of the answer. I would like to see your theory put to the test, maybe MF/MP will try this in their next run,

  • Axil Axil

    “The Mouse has a driving license, of course!”

    The Mouse may be a driver of the dipole vibrations. This could be how the mouse drives the Cat.

    An experiment to try to verify this idea is to have a reactor made up of a stack of multiple alumina tubes. Place fuel in all the tubes, but power only one of the tubes with a heater. Let us call that powered reactor :”the mouse”. This mouse has a reduced fuel load as in the last MFMP test to keep it from blowout. The other tubes are fully loaded with fuel and use the heat from the mouse and the EMF generated by the mouse to produce the reaction in all the fully fueled tubes.

    The EMF field that comes from the Mouse might keep all the other reactors in the stack in check even if they are fully loaded with fuel.

    Rossi might have thought that just a demo of the mouse at Lagano would not show his technology. He might be using a reactor stack to product self sustain mode.

    • Omega Z

      Axil Axil

      I see you been doing your homework. I pointed out before that Rossi said the Cat is not powered. Only the Mouse. Both Cat & Mouse are virtually the same. Both are Cats with the exception of the Mouse having a smaller or less potent fuel charge.

      When Rossi speaks of synergies of the reactors in concert, I think of the “drive/mouse” of 1 E-cat having an effect on all others in close proximity. EMF’s or whatever the drive may be is not contained within a single reactor but enhances those near it.

      You mention in your post below of multiple tubes. I developed a similar Idea some time ago based on my thoughts above. My Vision is of a revolver of a pistol. Six Chambers and the Mouse in the middle where the ratchet center pin would normally be.. A major issue would be whether all the reactor chambers would operate in concert.

      A 6 chamber 60Kw device. Two of these butted together & it starts to appear like a Fuel Rod. As E-cats produce heat more like a nuke plant then fossil fuel plants, you base a power plant design accordingly. Tho much less robust as you have no radiation. Such a plant may be cheaper then existing nuke or fossil power plant.
      http://www.homewetbar.com/images/magictoolbox_cache/thumb420x420/w-gun-cylinder-pen-holder-115236.jpg
      http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MzAwWDMwMA==/z/jygAAOxyyF5RPW-w/$T2eC16VHJIkE9qU3kIJrBRPW-wf,ew~~60_35.JPG

    • Gerald Voortman

      This sounds logic. What would happen of you remove the mouse from the cat in case of possible disaster?

    • Stephen

      I wonder if it could work more as a chain. Maybe all the e cats are powerd initially for heating cycles but each one acts as a mouse for the next one helping to stimulate (by what ever method) the SSM in the next one in the chain. If it worked in this way Perhaps the chain could be circular the last cat stimulating the first one again in the next heating cycle and there by maintaining SSM some how. I say a chain but it could equally be an oscillating pair.

      This would then be more of a synergy than a cluster.

      On a seprate point I wonder if we can find a way to identify the type of stimulation Thermal, EMF, Acoustic, or Radiation?

    • Surveilz

      EMF or as you’ve posited on a few occasions, something more ‘spooky’ is communicating its state? http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2015/150324/ncomms7665/full/ncomms7665.html

      • Axil Axil

        http://phys.org/news/2015-01-einstein-spooky-action-quantum-networks.html

        Now future action can effect past events

        http://phys.org/news/2012-04-quantum-physics-mimics-spooky-action.html

        There is a brouhaha going on in quantum science right now involving how the properties of subatomic particles can have their properties seperated by the particle. Spin, Charge, and angular momentum (AM), can be seperated from the particle. The property and the particle can take seperate paths. But actions of the observer after the particle has gotten to its destination can change the results of the experiment.

        There are two contending theories, particle self interference and the future effecting the past.

        • Surveilz

          Now that, is truly mind-torturing!

  • Axil Axil

    Hank Mills:

    If we give too much energy to the reactor the temperature raises above the controllability limits and the reactor explodes. We must maintain the drive below this limit, and it is what we are learning to do, trying to reach a controllability level at the highest temperature possible, because the COP raises exponentially with the operation temperature. The apparatus is made by two well separated components, the activator ( “mouse”) and the energy catalyzar ( “Cat”). Now we have a mouse with a COP above 1 and a Cat with a COP with zero energy consumption. If the Mouse excites the cat too much, the cat gets wild and explodes. We must not risk to reach this level. We have seen explode hunderds of reactors now, this way.

    Warm Regards,

    This post by Rossi shows that the Cat is not powered. All the stimulation comes from the mouse. If powered reactor (Mouse) can excite N numbers of non powered reactors (Cats), the COP of this clusters of reactors will be relativly high.

    In this older poost Rossi says something different

    a- when the activator is on the E-Cat is off, when the E-Cat is on the Activator is off. When the Activator is turned off the temperature rises, becauce the E-Cat is activated, when the Activator is turned on the temperature lowers, because the E-Cat goes off. If we consider
    100 hours of operation, for about 35 hours the Activator is on and the E-Cat is off, while for about 65 hours the E-Cat is on and the Activator is off. We reached a good stability for this reason: the Activator gives to the E-Cat enough energy to give good performance, but not enough to escape from control, like a Mouse which make a Cat nervous, but not too much; then, the Activator stops, the CaT goes on, until he returns to sleep; at this point the Mouse- activator is turned on, but the temperature goes down because the E-Cat is off; at this point the Cat becomes again nervous, and immediately the Mouse- activator is turned off, while again the temperature raises, and so on. The invention of this cycle, regulated by a complex software, allows to reach high temperatures in good stability. The important thing is that also the Activator has a charge, so that it reaches a COP more than 1, paying for itself: for this reason the energy that the Activator consumed is paid for by itself and does not affect the COP of the E-Cat. You know how I invented this system? I was in North Carolina and observed in a garden of the hotel a sleeping cat: a squirrel passed fast close to the cat, and the cat made some move to reach the squirrell, but the squirrel disappeared and the cat returned to sleep…that’t learning from Nature!
    b- No
    c- So far we are making R&D on the 100 kW Tigers, I can’t answer
    d- see 3
    e- see 3
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    I don’t know exactly what John Hutchison is doing to achieve his effect but could the Rossi effect be somehow related to it?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnBdhsXl088

    • Omega Z

      Find find much of Hutchison work fascinating. Many think he is a crackpot, But when you look into the ABC’s of who he has worked & consulted with, You find those of the ABC club do not think so. That, or his results are to scarey not to check it out.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        “Almost everyone today is brain-damaged by our education which is designed to produce docile automatons.”
        Timothy Leary

        We need “crackpots”.

        • GreenWin

          And docile automatons believe everything we tell ’em.

  • mrtakeyouaway

    I would like to take some time to point out that two of the most eminent scientists in this field are in the same country a few miles apart. We as their followers must create a bridge between the knowledge.

    You all here need to know about the energy effects of NANO-COATED structures. Simple process of applying heated NaOH to soften the material and applying electricity to lattice structure the surface. NANO-COATING is taught by the Keshe Foundation which is in Trani, Italy.

    Strange Energy phenomena are being recorded and demoed live everyday on the Keshe FB pages by many engineers. I believe if we get ROSSI and KESHE together, we would get EXACTLY where we need to be with this ENERGY REVOLUTION.

    Also using GANS (Gas in NANO STATE) particles,in the E-CAT catalyzing mixture may provide stronger atomic field reaction. Who knows?!

    The point is, KESHE GROUP is open to working with anyone in anything in this field of science and would meet live for everyone to see what comes of it. It would be perfect to get the Italian Energy Scientist collaborating. Any way we could get the ROSSI GROUP in contact with KESHE for meeting? It would only take one call or one email.

  • Gerard McEk

    Jim, you suggested right. I was an electrical and control engineer. See my answer to Axil above as well.

  • pg

    if it turns out that the ecat does not work, I ll be pissed off with myself for quite sometimes, after following this for more than 4 years.

    • bachcole

      I will laugh at myself and go on to other things. (:->) But I probably won’t tell my friends, in the hopes that they will have forgotten all about it. (:->)

      • Omega Z

        REAL WORLD
        It Works-
        Hey Roger,
        Did you see the 6 o’clock news. Some guy developed a new type of energy device. Non polluting & Real Cheap. The whole world is taking about it.

        No Roger, I don’t recall you Ever talking about this.
        All you’ve talked about for the last several years is the neighbors Cat chasing mice or something.
        ———————————–
        It doesn’t Work
        25 years later- Hey Roger, What ever happened with the energy device you used to drive us crazy about.?

  • matteo172

    Have been a daily follower of e-catworld since 2011. Loving every day of it. Thank you Frank! This forum is a lot of work. Much appreciated
    I am not a scientist, but have had a 30+ year career of presenting my creations on national tv, film, and internet. So with absolutely no judgement or critique of the science, your credentials, or your motives, (heck, I don’t even know what it is we’re supposed to be seeing!) here are some tips for making films like this better in the future:
    • Show that there is “nothing up your sleeve.” In this case, that means show that there is a real iron bar. Attach magnets to it, hit it with a hammer, something.
    • If what you are presenting has never been seen before, describe what is about to happen, so we can follow along.
    • Bad lighting and sound undermine your case to the point of antipathy from the viewers. Sure, you are excited to show the world something, just as we are excited to see it. Make us able to see and hear what you want to show us.
    • Do not tell us the object’s dimensions, stick something next to it that we all can relate to: a shoe, an apple, anything to give us the idea of scale.
    • Then with no cuts or other edits, finish what it is you would like us to see. This film has a jump cut midway through. Don’t do that.
    • After the “beam” or “wave” is turned off, don’t tell us that the iron is cold, grab it with your hand.
    • With all respect to you, this video could have been truly amazing!!! I still can’t wait to hear and see more about it.

    • Matteo172

      This comment refers to the Hutchison Effect video that Alan DeAngelis posted

    • Stephen

      Hi Matteo. Wow it’s good to see some one with your background here. I think all the advice you said is equally applicable in principle to the LENR experiments too. There are two amazing things going on: 1st the development of LENR itself. 2nd the amazing open science approach that has been stimulated. One day when the world ready I hope they can make great media stories too.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Good points Matteo. But if it were me, I don’t think I’d grab that thing even if it was cold after the juice was turned off. How about Kim Kardashian with one of those handheld infrared thermometers (like the one Rossi points at the Hot-Cat)?

  • Jouni Tuomela

    Please do remember this model of atomic structures when thinking of the reactions.
    BSM-SG atomic models:
    http://vixra.org/pdf/1107.0031v1.pdf

  • Matteo172

    This comment refers to the Hutchison Effect video that Alan DeAngelis posted

  • Axil Axil

    These vortex based solitons have be seen is a number of LENR experiments. Defkalion has seen this and reported it in their IFFC-18 paper:

    https://mospace.umsystem.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10355/36783/TheoreticalAnalysisReactionMechanisms.pdf

    “Rydberg States (atoms/molecules) created + Ni magnetized above

    Curie Temp. creating nano-scale localized magnetic traps

    (LMTs) with short life-times on Ni surfaces , most probably due to

    Plasmon-Nanoplasma interactions [16,17]”

    This solitons explode in a “Bosenova”. As a result of his observations, Dr. Kim has added the Bosenova to his BEC theories.

    There is a soliton/vortex/plasmoid basis for cavatation, brown’s gas, and Ken Sholder’s Evs.

    http://www.free-energy-info.com/MorayKing.pdf

    LeClair has seen free moving solitons punching holes in his walls and his trees outside his lab.

    The Proton21 experiment has seen free roaming vortexes produced in their experiments.

    Also See

    http://www.researchgate.net/publication/277385643_New_Physical_Phenomena_Responsible_for_Ball_Lightning

    IMHO, Ball lightning is the SPP soliton produced on the macro scale.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Good points Matteo. But if it were me, I don’t think I’d grab that thing even if it was cold after the juice was turned off. How about Kim Kardashian with one of those handheld infrared thermometers (like the one Rossi points at the Hot-Cat)?

  • Andy Kumar

    While we are waiting for the commercial release of the e-cat, I was wondering if the e-cat followers here would have taken a different path than what Dr. Rossi has chosen. Admin could start a separate thread on the topic.
    If I were in Rossi’s position of having invented a world changing technology at age 60+, I would have cashed in my Nobel prize and openly published the details so that the best minds in the world can work on it. I would like to hear the regular followers views on it.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      The “best minds” have been the biggest impediment to LENR for the past quarter of a century. I would prefer to see Rossi work on it by himself.

    • Axil Axil

      Dekalion exposed their technowogy to a major extent during the ICCF-18 and NI conferences. They were ignored and even worse was accused of fraud. Dr. Kim put out a revealing paper but pulled it back. He would not have put out a draft if he was unsure of his experimental observations. Why Kim pulled the paper back is unknown, but it might have been the fraud accusation. But the Defkalion design lives on in the AIRBUS patent.

      If the past is prolog, the best minds will at best ignore the LENR technology. Rossi is right, when you have an E Cat lighting and heating your home, the best minds mignt be willing to look into LENR.

    • Omega Z

      You would have 2 primary camps.
      Those who think Rossi is pretty much taking the right track AND Those who think it should be Open Source.

      Open Source would spread the INFORMATION Faster.
      Rossi’s path will spread the Hardware Technology faster.

      The reason is that this technology will require 100’s of Billion$ in up front investment. That kind of investment requires a certain amount of guarantees.(IP’s) 10 or 20 years latter when these IP’s expire, it wont matter. The ground work foundations will already have been set.

      If this technology is open sourced, we will have to wait until certain entities devise their own technology that can be covered by IP before the big investments come along.

      The 1 thing both camps would agree on is they wish it would come about faster. Probably the primary reason some would like to see it open sourced. In the end, tests have to be performed & if that’s a 12 month test, No amount of money will shorten that test or the number of tests that Government will require..

    • Bob Greenyer

      I have posted one option in the dedicated thread.

  • Axil Axil

    There has been a wide range of experimental results that show the light released from the Dark mode solitons is in the soft x-ray range. This shows that the energy absorbed by the soliton increases from the infrared range to these higher XUV wavelength values.

    Does that not say the the solitons can advance in energy content above the wavelength of light that first formed them?

  • Alan DeAngelis

    The “best minds” have been the biggest impediment to LENR for the past quarter of a century. I would prefer to see Rossi work on it by himself.

    • Bob Greenyer

      I have posted one option in the dedicated thread.

  • Axil Axil

    Dekalion exposed their technowogy to a major extent during the ICCF-18 and NI conferences. They were ignored and even worse was accused of fraud. Dr. Kim put out a revealing paper but pulled it back. He would not have put out a draft if he was unsure of his experimental observations. Why Kim pulled the paper back is unknown, but it might have been the fraud accusation. But the Defkalion design lives on in the AIRBUS patent.

    If the past is prolog, the best minds will at best ignore the LENR technology. Rossi is right, when you have an E Cat lighting and heating your home, the best minds mignt be willing to look into LENR.

  • Omega Z

    You would have 2 primary camps.
    Those who think Rossi is pretty much taking the right track AND Those who think it should be Open Source.

    Open Source would spread the INFORMATION Faster.
    Rossi’s path will spread the Hardware Technology faster.

    The reason is that this technology will require 100’s of Billion$ in up front investment. That kind of investment requires a certain amount of guarantees.(IP’s) 10 or 20 years latter when these IP’s expire, it wont matter. The ground work foundations will already have been set.

    If this technology is open sourced, we will have to wait until certain entities devise their own technology that can be covered by IP before the big investments come along.

    The 1 thing both camps would agree on is they wish it would come about faster. Probably the primary reason some would like to see it open sourced. In the end, tests have to be performed & if that’s a 12 month test, No amount of money will shorten that test or the number of tests that Government will require..

  • psi2u2

    I like this: “resonances can generate virtual entities whose energy is higher than the sum of the energy of the singles.”

    I think these resonances are what can break the “laws” of ordinary physics.

    • Axil Axil

      Finding this resonance and learning how to use it is the key to the sucess of LENR.

    • Obvious

      Photon to phonon actions increase the degrees of freedom. I think this feature can be exploited.

  • clovis ray

    Hi, guys, I love open source science, great minds working together, what better science could there be, but you see, Dr. Rossi didn’t have any help, save Dr. Forcardi, this is his baby, he created it, and now he knows all about it, we on the other hand have to search for it. at least until this last test is preformed, I love all this testing everyone is doing, because it gives me a better knowledge of what is going on in the reactor, soon Dr. Rossi will tell all, if we have not figured it out by then.
    Dr Rossi, has been very crafty, in navigating all the horror’s and dangerous water between prototype and product, when no one else could have.

  • clovis ray

    Hi, guys, I love open source science, great minds working together, what better science could there be, but you see, Dr. Rossi didn’t have any help, save Dr. Forcardi, this is his baby, he created it, and now he knows all about it, we on the other hand have to search for it. at least until this last test is preformed, I love all this testing everyone is doing, because it gives me a better knowledge of what is going on in the reactor, soon Dr. Rossi will tell all, if we have not figured it out by then.
    Dr Rossi, has been very crafty, in navigating all the horror’s and dangerous water between prototype and product, when no one else could have.

    • James Andrew Rovnak

      Absolutely , but he has also shared the Lugano fuel analysis so we could sit here today & ideas will flow both ways now which is very good! More people are thinking on the subject of E-Cat series & hopefully improvements & basic understanding of the processes involved will improve dramatically , maybe even exponentially like in the isotope decay process but upwards no less!

  • James Andrew Rovnak

    We did see some of these resonance EM TRIAC inputs in the Lugano report from the PCE 830 trace presented in that report of input current shape & its frequency spectrum.

  • James Andrew Rovnak

    We did see some of these resonance EM TRIAC inputs in the Lugano report from the PCE 830 trace presented in that report of input current shape & its frequency spectrum.

    • clovis ray

      Thanks JR.
      would you mind interpreting , it a little for us, just to be clear,

  • Axil Axil
  • James Andrew Rovnak

    https://twitter.com/JAROVNAK/status/613859651537350656 New test today, what’s your take on power supply. Looks like he meassures input from line side of large coil with some solid state switches controlling power to LENR? Must have some large current steps to get large temperature upsets shown. Final report will be very interesting. Very simple setup & test, very innovative fellow Wizkid is, No?

    If it’s that simple, he’s a awfully smart replicaton. Sent a copy of work to Rossi, see if he has any comments. Jim

    “Watt’s up Pro” meter seems simple enough. Guess it measures all kids of curent/voltage wave shapes with very high sample time, No? Looks like it might work on TRIAC source, not sure what coil losses are?