If You Were in Andrea Rossi’s Shoes, What Would You have Done? (Andy Kumar)

Thanks to Andy Kumar for this suggestion for a thread

While we are waiting for the commercial release of the e-cat, I was wondering if the e-cat followers here would have taken a different path than what Dr. Rossi has chosen.

Admin could start a separate thread on the topic.

If I were in Rossi’s position of having invented a world changing technology at age 60+, I would have cashed in my Nobel prize and openly published the details so that the best minds in the world can work on it. I would like to hear the regular followers’ views on it.

Andy Kumar

  • Bob Greenyer

    Exactly what Matsushita did with VHS – licence to anyone. Then those that can make a buck – because they produce good competitive products, do so. Lead on tech – derivative tech to be passed back to licensor.

    He should have made a design patent on the reactor or control system. Much of the rest is not patentable. This would be the basis for the licence.

    • Nigel Appleton

      I agree – although I shouldn’t be surprised if the final fuel composition is patentable.

      I’m pretty sure in my own mind that the fuel as supplied to the Lugano group was an early, functional but not optimal, recipe; and that Rossi is working with more efficient formulations now – easier to “ignIte”, and to get to SSM.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Exactly what Matsushita did with VHS – licence to anyone. Then those that can make a buck – because they produce good competitive products, do so. Lead on tech – derivative tech to be passed back to licensor.

    He should have made a design patent on the reactor or control system. Much of the rest is not patentable. This would be the basis for the licence.

    • Nigel Appleton

      I agree – although I shouldn’t be surprised if the final fuel composition is patentable.

      I’m pretty sure in my own mind that the fuel as supplied to the Lugano group was an early, functional but not optimal, recipe; and that Rossi is working with more efficient formulations now – easier to “ignIte”, and to get to SSM.

  • Allan Kiik

    I’m afraid that in this case he could have only some bashing from mainstream scientist and pathological skeptics, who can’t believe he has something real until today. Commercial path is longer and more difficult to lone researcher, but has some probability for success.
    Besides, if something is so clearly impossible by accepted theory, serious science journals do not want to publish it. This was the case with Julian Schwinger (http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue1/colfusthe.html) and why in earth would anyone believe in Rossi more than in this guy.

  • Guest2

    If I was Rossi , I would release a little bit more info to help replication easier. This will help him earn a Nobel prize and at the same time speed up commercial process.

    • Observer

      Why do people think that getting Nobel prize is a greater accomplishment than what you did to get the Nobel prize?

      • Christina

        Because they don’t want to think it through and want only the glitz, not the blood, sweat, and tears behind it.

        Christina

      • Bob

        I think looking to the past is quite interesting in reqards to this question:

        Edison, admired today, was ruthless during his life. He pursued patents endlessly and fought tirelessly to protect his ideas or discredit competitors. e.g. the famous elephant debacle. He stopped at nothing. From my readings, he was not a very nice man when it came to business.

        The Wright brothers spend much of their money defending patents and trying to prove their product. Initially to the scientific crowd and then to the patent office.

        While many have heard of Tesla, he is not even close to renown status as Edison. Only in the last few decades has his name become more known to the general public. Of a different mind set, he died almost broke. What was the difference? Was Edison smarter, more deserving?
        Hardly.

        One or two others possibly had working planes before the Wright brothers, but I cannot name them at the moment. Why?

        Edison did not invent the light bulb, but simply one that lasted longer. Who invented the first one?

        Alexander Graham Bell is credited with the telephone, but many think Antonio Meucci

        is the true heir apparent. Scores of lawsuits was filed over patents and the like over this.
        I personally think that if Rossi would have freely gave his knowledge away 4 years ago, we would not be talking about him today. The secret to LENR would have been scooped up by a mega corporation or entrepreneur like Elon Musk and Rossi would have been some foot note in history. His discovery and earned rewards would have been handed to others while he may have been left with poverty.
        I am not sure whether his approach is best, but I sure do not blame him for trying to protect his life’s work, legacy or satisfaction.

        • Jouni

          Most I like are those hints of his.
          Like listening to the Cat with a stetoscope, please replicators do implement frequency analyzers ?

        • Billy Jackson

          Well said.

      • Mytakeis

        Like Obama?

  • Guest2

    If I was Rossi , I would release a little bit more info to help replication easier. This will help him earn a Nobel prize and at the same time speed up commercial process.

    • Observer

      Why do people think that getting Nobel prize is a greater accomplishment than what you did to get the Nobel prize?

      • Christina

        Because they don’t want to think it through and want only the glitz, not the blood, sweat, and tears behind it.

        Christina

      • HS61AF91

        Like Obama?

  • Owen Geiger

    Rossi is really smart, so I wouldn’t rush to judgement thinking I could do better. His current path has given him enough financial and technical support to greatly enhance the performance. Go back through the last few months of blog posts here at E-Cat World to read about his latest reactor improvements. If it’s all true (I have no reason to doubt him), the progress has been mind blowing. It’s worth compiling all these improvements into a new blog post.

  • Owen Geiger

    Rossi is really smart, so I wouldn’t rush to judgement thinking I could do better. His current path has given him enough financial and technical support to greatly enhance the performance. Go back through the last few months of blog posts here at E-Cat World to read about his latest reactor improvements. If it’s all true (I have no reason to doubt him), the progress has been mind blowing. It’s worth compiling all these improvements into a new blog post.

  • kasom

    In his shoes i would have heated a public building with Luganotype dogbones since more than a year now.

    Just to show the world that the end of fossil fuels is coming.

    Not for commercial purposes, not for my pride, but as a signal to the world.

    A thought-provoking impulse for people in the near east, in russia and other places.

  • Bob Matulis

    I would have aggressively pursued a patent. Upon learning that it would not be possible to acquire the patent (regardless of the reasons why) I would pursue a joint venture with a powerful company that did not have conflicts of interest.

    For example, a conglomerate that owns a major railroad that ships coal would probably have a conflict of interests. My first thought is this is the type of thing that Google Labs would want to get hold of. From their perspective it might be a long shot (or moon shot as they call them) but it would dove tail with many of their ventures such as the driverless car.

    If that failed, I would pursue a country that would not have conflicts of interest. Japan has virtually zero natural resources so perhaps they would be willing to do a joint venture.

  • Jan Nie

    Go in way of ARM Semiconductors: Develop IP and sell cheap licensing to 200 entities.
    Rossi way is obsolete old Italian from 19th century

  • William D. Fleming

    Andrea Rossi grew up in an industrial family. He is very intelligent, hard working, and tenacious. In short, he is the ideal man for the job. He’s doing it just the right way IMO, and I have great hope for his success.

    • f sedei

      I believe you to be correct. Rossi is a super hero in this age. I agree 100% in every aspect of his approach. He is truly a genius whom I hesitate to doubt at this stage of the game. I prefer to just cheer him on.Go Andrea!

      • attaboy

        Go Andrea is right!!

  • Robert Ilbrink

    I still remember those clumsy early tests with some hot water and steam going down the drain in the wall. That was not convincing at all!

    Early on, I would have prepared 4 E-cats. Then invite (as he did) some (but more than two) independent and renowned researchers from different countries/institutes and ask them to randomly select two E-cats for testing.

    Run the test with all 4 E-cats, where the researchers again could randomly decide which power source and measuring equipment would have been connected to which E-cat. The two selected E-cats will be connected to the hydrogen supply, whereas the other (reference) E-cats will run exactly the same program on the test bench, but WITHOUT the hydrogen source (potentially using another inert gas).

    This A-B comparison should have provided the evidence of energy produced through transmutation, as hydrogen is the only missing (but vital) component. This would probably have made the path of convincing other scientists and the patent office easier. And Rossi would not have to reveal his secret before receiving a patent, after which it is easier to start licencing.

  • john

    Rossi will never have a patent nor IH, the e-cat is a transmutation device that creates heat along the process of transmutation. Chickens do this, they do not eat calcium but produces eggs they transmute potassium to calcium. You cannot patent a nature process. You cannot patent if you don’t clear inform how the device works. He must open the device technology and how he reached the point until now. He already have 10 million dollars in pocket. What will happen is that open source science is the future, we need to develop humanity as fast as we can, we lost 100 years using oil and carbon, now it’s time to compensate the time lost. So if I was in Andrea’s shoes with 60 years in my back I was just in the position to licence thousands of companies (small ones) to develop the e-cat without concerning myself about patent. He and IH will NEVER achieve a patent even if someone replicates the system.

    • Asterix

      Do you think that Mr. Rossi will eventually be awarded the Ig-Nebel prize, then?

      http://www.improbable.com/2008/10/20/horesetail-kervrans-inspiration/

      • attaboy

        Who would be more deserving out there today?

    • Nigel Appleton

      Chickens and other birds most certainly do eat calcium. In captive chickens, it is supplied in the food. In wild birds, Ca is obtained from snail shells,wood-lice and millipedes, grit, even the soil in earthworms’ guts, Many natural waters also contain plenty of calcium.

      The idea that there is any biological transformation of potassium to calcium has been long discredited.

      It is a drag on the acceptance of the reality of LENR that it seems disproportionately to attract so many people with very odd and easily disproven ideas.

      • bachcole

        “It is a drag on the acceptance of the reality of LENR that it seems
        disproportionately to attract so many people with very odd and easily
        disproven ideas.” may be true, but it goes with the territory. LENR is a very odd and easily disproven idea, even if it is true. All I have to do is to start screaming “Coulomb Barrier” and I will “disprove” LENR. So it is completely and utterly natural that we will have people here who believe in things that YOU THINK are odd and disproven.

        I don’t think that I believe in “odd and disproven”. I believe in degrees of certainty. I have never done the tests necessary to prove the speed of light or prove that it is constant. I am taking people’s word for it. That whole “taking people’s word for it” is a study and science all unto itself.

        • HS61AF91

          New paradigms come also from believing in intuition, hunches, that feeling of correctness in something. Sort of unconscious analysis bringing a gestalt conclusion bursting into your brain. Happens all the time, just not something that accommodates itself to a ‘show me repetitious proof,’ like in science. It seems like Rossi taps into such a source of inventiveness. Going to be an exciting next few months and years. May we all be around to witness/enjoy.

    • Omega Z

      “What will happen is that open source science is the future”

      I Highly Doubt that. Even Universities are not open source. They file their own patents along with those who did the work. Even with patents, they will withhold certain details. The same for Government agencies such as NASA, NRL, etc. Drug companies will just shut their doors.

      Years ago, I use to frequent a programers site who shared info with each other.. After a while there were many none programers who wanted the open source programs. Then they started asking for changes to meet there own wants. After a while, these requests became demands that the programers make it to there wants.

      A after being away for sometime, I went back. Only the takers were there. They had some very unkind words towards those programers for abandoning them. They were of the mentality that they owed it to them. To Bad. Perhaps they should have contributed something in return.

      It is my experience in life that there are far to many takers in this world. By that as an example, Today you share half your steak with someone who is hungry & has non. Tomorrow, when asked to do the same in kind, That person will tell you to get your own you bum. This is Mine.

      If you want everything open source, Don’t expect to get much. People get tired of giving when nothing is given back in return. They soon move on. Science comes to an end…

      • bachcole

        “Drug companies will just shut their doors.” Please, oh please, drug companies, shut your doors.

        • Omega Z

          I’m also not a fan of Big Pharma, But I’ve learned overtime that not all is as it seems. They are a government pawn just like the rest of us. They also have the highest research funding from profits averaging 20% or more. Without this, the type of research they do would all but cease to exist.

          Our Government doesn’t fund this type of research. They only fund basic compound research. Someone involved in such research are limited to what they are allowed to publish. If inadvertently by fluke you discovered a certain compound wiped out all cancer cells in a petri dish, you can’t publish such a finding if it is not in the purview of your research. You can’t even direct Big Pharma to look at it. It could lead to being banned from funding & research all together. I would point out that the researcher who posted this answer to a question said, This does not mean what is found is a cure. Just a direction to look into. Still, they are not allowed to point anyone in that direction.

          Another thing to be aware of, If you develop a drug that can be manufactured & sold for $10, You will be directed to sell it for cost or even a loss to people in other parts of the World. In return, your allowed to sell it for an exuberant price in the U.S. to offset losses of profit.

          At 1 time I wondered how poor countries could afford certain treatments, And I 1st became aware of how with Bill Clinton’s African aids drug deal. $50 a patient for what costs $1K or more a month for U.S. patients. It is cost shifting & it is practiced on a regular bases with all expensive drugs. It’s also not a U.S. exclusive. All western nations do this to some extent.

          Even Tho I’m still not a Big Pharma fan, I do have a different perspective. Much of it has to do with Government policies. The same policies that prevent investigation of non traditional medicine.

          In the G7 thread Merkel says we need to start the 100 Billion$ a year funding. Follow the money. To the U.N. who will distribute it to smaller impoverished countries for GW mitigation. A couple months ago 1 of those Island leaders was screaming he wanted his 2 Billion$ promised & the U.N. needed to ply the pressure on Western Countries to pay up.
          We know how this will work. A lot of Rich Politico’s & still impoverished people. It’s a pattern…

          • bachcole

            You still are a big fan of (exclusively) reductionistic, (exclusively) anti-naturalistic, and (exclusively) greed corrupted thinking that you share with Big Pharma. It is this bias that is killing so many people. Anyone who does not think like this, but rather thinks holistically, naturally (or paleo), and “cheaply”, is marginalized, demonized, de-funded, ostricisized. and basically has their career destroyed by Big Pharma and their minions. Think not? Remember Dr. Linus Pauling. It turns out that he was right. Ultra-high levels of vitamin C do absolutely nothing harmful and kill cancer cells. This example doesn’t even qualify as the tip of the ice berg. I have healed myself without any pharmaceutical drugs whatsoever. I was crippled. And now I walk normally.

            The government doesn’t dictate to Big Pharma. Big Pharma dictates to the government.

  • pg

    If the ecat really works, I would do exactly what he is doing. If the ecat does not work I would do exactly what he is doing, but slower

    • attaboy

      You have a point! However there are too many other successful demonstrations of lenr by others to think it a hoax at this point.

  • Billy Jackson

    The question seems simple, unfortunately the answer will be different for each of us. Its easy to say “oh i would just release it to the world for free and watch it grow”, but at times things just are not that simple.

    How much of your own money and time did you sink in to the project?
    Where are you at mentally, financially, or even emotionally at the same stage?
    how does the reactions of your fellow peers affect your decision making process when they throw everything you show them back in your face and call you a liar and a thief?

    I would like to say that i dont know how i would react being in Andrea Rossi’s shoes. I will say that i applaud him for trying in the face of persistent adversity. Yet humbly accept his decisions even if i don’t agree with all of them simply because i have not walked the road he has been forced to tread since going public with the e-cat.

  • Billy Jackson

    The question seems simple, unfortunately the answer will be different for each of us. Its easy to say “oh i would just release it to the world for free and watch it grow”, but at times things just are not that simple.

    How much of your own money and time did you sink in to the project?
    Where are you at mentally, financially, or even emotionally at the same stage?
    how does the reactions of your fellow peers affect your decision making process when they throw everything you show them back in your face and call you a liar and a thief?

    I would like to say that i dont know how i would react being in Andrea Rossi’s shoes. I will say that i applaud him for trying in the face of persistent adversity. Yet humbly accept his decisions even if i don’t agree with all of them simply because i have not walked the road he has been forced to tread since going public with the e-cat.

  • nietsnie

    If I were him I would want to profit from it somewhat. But, most of all, I would also want to make sure that it realized its potential in the world. I think there are several different levels of resistance to an idea like this. The first level of resistance is the, ‘if it sounds too good to be true – it probably is’ common dogma. The next is the investment in ideas in the scholarly world – LENR defies known and trusted theory. Then there is monetary repercussion – LENR will bankrupt entire global industries if and when it is realized fully. Finally there is political repercussion – LENR will change the balance of power amongst the nations of the world.

    So, to both profit somewhat and make sure it realized its potential in the world I would, first, want to limit knowledge of my idea until I could demonstrate to humanity that it was not too good to be true. Then, to scholars, that evidence of it was beyond refute. I would want to remain below the notice of both money and politics to assure that neither would squash it simply to maintain the status quo. Consider that, if not for the professional respect that Martin Fleischmann had amongst his colleagues and associates – LENR might have died in 1990. Only the respect Fleischmann had among his peers caused cold fusion to continue to be advanced. I would not trust in my own cache to accomplish the same thing.

    But, at the same time, I would need money to realize my ideas potential. My own bank account would not be sufficient to advance my idea to the point that it was unstoppable in the world. I would have to advertise my idea to some portion of the world to the point that someone with money would bankroll me, without seeming real enough to feel threatening to those vested interests which had the power to thwart it. At the same time, I would want for the interest who bankrolled me to be aligned with my ideas for its spread throughout the world and history so that it wasn’t simply sold to someone who would shelve it.

    Really, when I look at all that – Rossi has done a remarkable job. By the time e-cat hits the street it will be a realized, defensible, undeniable, idea with a pre-primed core group of supporters who will even have managed to at least partially duplicate his findings. It will already have completed its first year of commercial proof while still managing to be mostly beneath the consideration of big energy and politics (‘results could still be positive or negative…’). He’s aligned himself with a well-heeled backer who has a keen desire to see it realize its potential to reduce pollution in the world and who can help protect it from the powers that be. In order to do this, Rossi has had to endure ridicule, personal attacks and near bankruptcy. But he has endured and triumphed – and he will laugh last.

  • Bob

    I think looking to the past is quite interesting in reqards to this question:

    Edison, admired today, was ruthless during his life. He pursued patents endlessly and fought tirelessly to protect his ideas or discredit competitors. e.g. the famous elephant debacle. He stopped at nothing. From my readings, he was not a very nice man when it came to business.

    The Wright brothers spend much of their money defending patents and trying to prove their product. Initially to the scientific crowd and then to the patent office.

    While many have heard of Tesla, he is not even close to renown status as Edison. Only in the last few decades has his name become more known to the general public. Of a different mind set, he died almost broke. What was the difference? Was Edison smarter, more deserving?
    Hardly.

    One or two others possibly had working planes before the Wright brothers, but I cannot name them at the moment. Why?

    Edison did not invent the light bulb, but simply one that lasted longer. Who invented the first one?

    Alexander Graham Bell is credited with the telephone, but many think Antonio Meucci

    is the true heir apparent. Scores of lawsuits was filed over patents and the like over this.
    I personally think that if Rossi would have freely gave his knowledge away 4 years ago, we would not be talking about him today. The secret to LENR would have been scooped up by a mega corporation or entrepreneur like Elon Musk and Rossi would have been some foot note in history. His discovery and earned rewards would have been handed to others while he may have been left with poverty.
    I am not sure whether his approach is best, but I sure do not blame him for trying to protect his life’s work, legacy or satisfaction.

    • bachcole

      Bob, I think that this is almost the final word on this subject, except I don’t believe in final words. But it is never the less excellent.

    • Billy Jackson

      Well said.

  • attaboy

    For one thing, we may not be seeing the big picture when it comes to trying to be in Rossi’s shoes. To see that, we may need to be in the shoes of the powerful corporate entity that Rossi’s invention will replace. Do you think this greedy entity is going to stand by and just watch as e-cat takes over our energy needs. Oh NO!! You can bet that Rossi has been under a lot of pressure from this entity, not to mention other powerful entities that have a stake in where the energy comes from. Personally, I feel that in a perfect world, the e-cat and perhaps other forms of lenr, should have been commercialized long ago. As I said earlier, I partly base this on my earlier experience as an industrial product development chemist. I’m convinced that powerful interests, such as the fossil fuel industry, are slowing down the introduction of e-cat.

    • Nigel Appleton

      How are these powerful interests slowing down the introduction of LENR? Rossi and others don’t seem to be starved of funds, or of facilities, or of industrial collaborators, or of routes to publish their findings. Too many people are in possession of the basic knowledge for it to be “disappeared”. There is a vast global desire and will to replace fossil fuels.

      Wicked Big Coal and Evil Big OIl will bitch and moan, but cannot stop LENR if it’s useful

      • clovis ray

        Andy, it is my belief that IH will sell licenses when they feel it’s time, on the other hand Dr. Rossi will have little to do with the commercial units,they belong to IH,
        You said,( it is not good for the credibility of the field that all the claims of success are secret recipes and the only open player, MFMP, can not seem to replicate any of them).

        the reason being no one that i know of has reproduced it yet, when Dr. Rossi says he has something he demonstrated it , and many dedicated scientist have seen it in operation,
        it must be kept quit until he is ready to reveal his device,no one has ever did this before in the history of mankind, and not likely to do so, with out Dr. Rossi permission, this is not to say he won’t give it, but if any money is to be made from it he will want his share, what ever that might be, but you can’t just come along after the fact and say, look what i have discovered when all you have done it replicate his baby, common scene.

  • attaboy

    For one thing, we may not be seeing the big picture when it comes to trying to be in Rossi’s shoes. To see that, we may need to be in the shoes of the powerful corporate entity that Rossi’s invention will replace. Do you think this greedy entity is going to stand by and just watch as e-cat takes over our energy needs. Oh NO!! You can bet that Rossi has been under a lot of pressure from this entity, not to mention other powerful entities that have a stake in where the energy comes from. Personally, I feel that in a perfect world, the e-cat and perhaps other forms of lenr, should have been commercialized long ago. As I said earlier, I partly base this on my earlier experience as an industrial product development chemist. I’m convinced that powerful interests, such as the fossil fuel industry, are slowing down the introduction of e-cat.

    • Nigel Appleton

      How are these powerful interests slowing down the introduction of LENR? Rossi and others don’t seem to be starved of funds, or of facilities, or of industrial collaborators, or of routes to publish their findings. Too many people are in possession of the basic knowledge for it to be “disappeared”. There is a vast global desire and will to replace fossil fuels.

      Wicked Big Coal and Evil Big OIl will bitch and moan, but cannot stop LENR if it’s useful

      • attaboy

        How do you think these interests get so powerful? They know how to get what they want without you having a clue. Not too long ago a statement was made implying that Rossi finances were not that good. I get a feeling you need to learn more about the history of both this development and developments leading up to it. I really don’t have the time to educate you.

  • bachcole

    Most older people are in denial about their impending journey.

  • Jouni Tuomela

    Most I like are those hints of his.
    Like listening to the Cat with a stetoscope, please replicators do implement frequency analyzers ?

  • Palaceplanetarian

    Rossi has made brilliant choices, far better, than any one else, about how to nourish LENR and make sure it’s benefits were available to more faster. No other path could have produced the results his has given the blindness and prejudice of the mainstream scientific community and allied funding sources. Any other view is just simply naive and misunderstands the power of the control private intellectual property controlled by one man who is determined make the benefits of that property available to widest number in the shortest amount of time.

  • oceans

    Rossi was able to smell a rat in Greece and was fortunate he was not fleeced of everything there yet once again he survived and ended up in Miami where he made good friends and contacts who wanted to share in his vision of Cold Fusion. Rossi is a survivor and a huge risk taker much like Edmund Musk we can expect to see a picture of Rossi on Time Magazine.

  • Mats002

    I have a history of inventing and taking products to market, some failed some live on but nothing soured big scale, I think at least one had potential though. Anyways I know the feeling of protecting my bright (own ideas shine the brightest 😉 and dedicated hard work – but that said Rossi stands in a superior class. In his shoes I would feel the pressure of crushing expectations that I would not be able to stand up to. The same goes for Dr Mills (BLP) and others that offer great expectations to a broader audience but keep deliverys in secret. I do understand the IP defence problem, having patents might give more confidence in sharing but then again experiences from patents are that the value is zip when big money wants the business. So I can see his ambivalence – show or not? When is the right time? Too early or too late is bad for business and business is about spreading the technology we followers want to see happen. No easy decisions for him to see his baby fly on own wings. It is more about feelings of attachment than money or prizes. I am thrilled by this story whatever the outcome. May she fly!

  • Steven Irizarry

    use it to create a car that surpasses the performance of any gasoline car and sell them for a lower price to kill all automobile competition. no one will buy gasoline cars because of mediocre to terrible range and efficiency also it does not create pollution which is a massive plus. i will gain complete dominance over the automobile industry

    • Omega Z

      The E-cat technology is many years away from being Car ready. To start, with present heat/electric conversion efficiency, you would need 300Kw, A Tesla battery plus some type of turbine & generator. And as it takes several hours to start up, they will need to run 24/7. It would be cheaper to buy one of Tesla’s cars.

      • Steven Irizarry

        actually that may be the case but i feel that it wont take that long…those people at LLP will hopefully help

        • Omega Z

          Rossi said he had a discussion with a car manufacturer that said it would take at least 20 years due to developing the technology for that use & getting through Government red tape. Don’t recall which one, but the person he spoke to pretty much confirmed that since then.
          I took that as a positive note. At least the manufacturer didn’t say it was impossible.

          • Steven Irizarry

            my concept will basically revive fords car idea but replacing fission with fusion. it will produce heat and that heat will turn to electricity…political lobbying and bribing will make that red tape irrelevant(since i am planning a conglomerates)

  • Mytakeis

    New paradigms come also from believing in intuition, hunches, that feeling of correctness in something. Sort of unconscious analysis bringing a gestalt conclusion bursting into your brain. Happens all the time, just not something that accommodates itself to a ‘show me repetitious proof,’ like in science. It seems like Rossi taps into such a source of inventiveness. Going to be an exciting next few months and years. May we all be around to witness/enjoy.

  • Mytakeis

    Believe the ‘marriage’ of Rossi’s invention with Industrial Heat’s deep pockets catalyzed progress to date. They share their common goal of humanity’s betterment. Maybe some higher designers are encouraging this path Dr. Rossi has chosen to earthly rehabilitation. Something is holding back forces, who disparage change, in the form of pollution free, near free energy, for any need. Patenting fights, and licensing processes somehow seems slower, or false paths for him to have taken.

  • HS61AF91

    Believe the ‘marriage’ of Rossi’s invention with Industrial Heat’s deep pockets catalyzed progress to date. They share their common goal of humanity’s betterment. Maybe some higher designers are encouraging this path Dr. Rossi has chosen to earthly rehabilitation. Something is holding back forces, who disparage change, in the form of pollution free, near free energy, for any need. Patenting fights, and licensing processes somehow seems slower, or false paths for him to have taken.

  • BillH

    In order to get a Nobel prize I think you would have to explain exactly how LENR works, including any new physics involved. I’m not sure Mr Rossi is able to do that. Mr Rossi appears to want the
    fame of a Leonardo, an Edison, a Marconi or perhaps a Tesla. Had he tried a spectacular demonstration like Edison or Tesla, which showed clearly the energy density and power of his discovery he would have all the finance and backing that he would ever require, and ECAT may have advanced at a much more rapid rate. An advance like this needs thousands of engineers working on it’s implementation not just a small test plant and a few dozen engineers with $20M backing.

    • GreenWin

      The Wright Brothers seemed to invent an airplane without “thousands of engineers,” and billions$$ of tax dollars. Same with da Vinci, Edison, Tesla, etc.

      • BillH

        Different day, and there wasn’t $Bns around. The Wright’s invention was power flight, gliders had been around for a while. They struggled with patents for almost a decade and I’m not sure they made much money. The other inventors mentioned had there own methods but the most financially success, Edison, had a lot of support from other talented engineers.

    • Warthog

      Nope. The definitive example is the RF background of the universe (i.e. residual radiation from the “Big Bang”). Those who made the discovery got their Nobel LONG before even a tentative theory was available. Despite the many comments saying otherwise….THEORY IS NOT, NOT, NOT, necessary for scientific recognition of a discovery. Replicated experiment is THE sole necessary requirement.

      • bachcole

        So, when I took turmeric/curcumin in capsule form for years and felt/got exactly zip from it, and then I dissolved (much cheaper) turmeric powder in olive oil and it obliterated 90% of my inflammation, and it did so repeatedly for dozens of times, would it be “scientific” to say that dissolving turmeric in olive oil is much better than taking turmeric via capsule. I certainly think so, but so many health commenting skeptopaths say that it was just anecdotal. But I didn’t care; it worked for me.

      • BillH

        Surely they were searching for and found “The Afterglow of Creation”, that had been predicted by theory? So they provided a practical proof to win the Prize. Showing your working usually gets you extra points, hehe.

        • Warthog

          You’ve got it precisely backwards. Those who made the RF measurements had no idea why it was there. It was wholly an experimental discovery with no theoretical basis whatsoever at the time. IIRC, the most popular theory at the time was the “steady state universe”,

  • clovis ray

    I bet his shoes, are expensive, Italian wing tips, I would love to take a stroll in them, maybe down wall street, and see if my money was making any interest,—- smile
    by the way this place has some nice shoes, along with lots of other nice stuff, https://dapperman.touchofmodern.com/sales/rooster-league-shoes

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Rossi cut the Gordian Knot by making the MW plant. It enabled others to get LENR patents.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Rossi cut the Gordian Knot by making the MW plant. It enabled others to get LENR patents.

  • Andy Kumar

    I am a little disappointed by most people’s knee jerk defense of Rossi’s chosen path. There is no reason not to license the technology even if it is not fully mature. No need to give it away for free.
    I had hoped that at least half the followers would choose the licensing path. It is not good for the credibility of the field that all the claims of success are secret recipes and the only open player, MFMP, can not seem to replicate any of them.

    • Mats002

      If this phenomenom is real, MFMP and other replicators will have success (they might already have but more is needed to be sure) and the LENR field will sour with or without Rossi/IH.

      • clovis ray

        Hi, mats i sure you meant soar, not sour, smile

        • bachcole

          I thought that they both worked fine. (:->) Just like anything else that we get excited about, LENR will NOT solve all of the problems that we think that it will.

        • Mats002

          Hi Clovis, yes for shore 🙂

    • Ivan Idso

      I have been following Andre Rossi daily for 5 years now, so anything I say is hardly a knee jerk reaction. Andre obviously doesn’t think its ready to license yet because he has been criticized before when he demonstrated something that wasn’t beyond reproach. When he releases his product it will be ready for licensing and there will be no questioning the results.

      MFMP is only concerned with proving the concept as I understand their mission, they only want to make tea versus producing a 1 MW power plant.

      Cheers!

    • Omega Z

      Andy
      You don’t know if Industrial heat & Rossi may already have licensing plans. Tom Darden has already had meetings with People in China. From an interview, he indicated that this was just 1 of several.

      However, Being a controversial technology, Technical issues probably need addressed before any follow through. Besides technical issues, they would probably also want Proof that it can be harnessed in real work outside of a lab.

      On multiple occasions Rossi has said it is not his intent to build user products but that others would be using their reactors. Probably a couple pilot plants will be needed before it is passed off to others to build in mass.

      Rossi has also said that they intend to produce these cheap & in quantity to stay ahead of competitors. Industrial heat is not anywhere big enough to do that without partners or license agreements.

      And to Think Rossi/IH are the only players would be foolish. Michael McKubre from SRI has said there are several other players following the path to market that are close. Two of which he said few if anyone has even heard of. As far as we know, There may already be a couple other pilot plants in operation somewhere.

    • Gerald Voortman

      Why license now? There were obvious still big upgrades possible. After the lugano tests the cat got bigger and badder. A few years more is no problem but when shaking up the market/world the product must be without a doubt. Just (cheap) clean energy proven by real life numbers like they are getting now in a one year factory test. I truly believe Lern is real but the only way decision makers around me believe in it when they see bills drop and they can buy the device.

      So yes I think Rossi is choosing the right path. After delivering a working device there is time to a license model and give other people the change to enhance the proces.

    • GreenWin

      Andy, you’re clearly not a business man. Licensing an incomplete product/process is poor business. Industrial Heat will likely license E-Cat manufacturing technology once commercial viability and IP protection is assured.

      However, one hopes the wizards at ITER will be an early license applicant. It’ll save billions of taxpayer dollars!

    • clovis ray

      Andy, it is my belief that IH will sell licenses when they feel it’s time, on the other hand Dr. Rossi will have little to do with the commercial units,they belong to IH,
      You said,( it is not good for the credibility of the field that all the claims of success are secret recipes and the only open player, MFMP, can not seem to replicate any of them).

      the reason being no one that i know of has reproduced it yet, when Dr. Rossi says he has something he demonstrated it , and many dedicated scientist have seen it in operation,
      it must be kept quit until he is ready to reveal his device,no one has ever did this before in the history of mankind, and not likely to do so, with out Dr. Rossi permission, this is not to say he won’t give it, but if any money is to be made from it he will want his share, what ever that might be, but you can’t just come along after the fact and say, look what i have discovered when all you have done it replicate his baby, common scene.

    • Francis

      I perfectly agree with you. While i am a Rossi supporter i don’t like his “strategy” and i don’t pretend it is good as many do here (which, quite frankly, is sadly beginning to look very much like the fanboyism you can see in Apple users).

      The whole point of patents is to release information to the rest of the society WHILE still having profits for a reasonable long time (20 years). All what Rossi has to do is release all his informations so that whoever is in charge to confirm his patent can replicate it and prove to himself it is a real thing. Then whoever builds and sells it doesn’t matter anymore… Rossi still gets his good share of profits which will be more than enough to spend his whole life in a house made of gold and emeralds.

      So why is Rossi keeping all these secrets? What is it exactly that he wants that he cannot have with the mountain of money that is waiting for him if he only opens up a bit? He already has a huge advantage over any third party… why doesn’t he release the basic “recipe” to make a simple E-Cat?

      While i believe that the E-Cat is real and i never, not even once, called him a liar as many did, i still don’t understand this silly behaviour. I perfectly understand that he had very bad experiences in the past, but he can quite easily prove his worth and prove the society wrong if this is what he seeks… without making us wait for years as he has done. Every single day he delays it someone keeps dying for lack of energy (and food and water) all around the world and our planet gets more and more polluted. He has the idea/knowledge that could stop all of this right now, or at least it could help a lot… so why is he delaying it? Does he really want the whole pie or no pie at all? Does it look like something that should be praised of him?

      This is what i would have done differently from him, and i think this would be the most sensible thing to do if anyone was in his shoes.

      • BillH

        I can suggest a few answers, 1) Releasing the design of a product which has such a high energy density could be ever so slightly dangerous, and result in people blowing themselves up 2) Mr Rossi hasn’t worked out the physics yet and doesn’t want someone beating him to it. 3) The one who can get the first patent approved will scoop the most money and fame. 4) The E-Cat might not be as simple as you think.

  • Kendall Evans

    Discussions like this are fun, but we should keep in mind that Rossi and others make the decisions that seem right to them. And the decisions they make become the reality of LENR progress. I lean toward believing that LENR is probably valid; and, if it is, how practical it will be in application remains to be seen. While we wait for Rossi, we can hope there will be more and more replications and
    experiments that demonstrate over unity.

    • Omega Z

      Actually this is no more over unity then an ICE Car.
      You turn a switch that sends electricity that starts up the engine that burns fuel & it produces power.

      LENR: You turn a switch that sends electricity that starts up the E-cat which burns fuel & it produces heat.

      The only difference is the fuel used…

  • Roland

    Having gone to the wall several times over ideas of much lessor import I have to ask Andy if he’s ever put everything, by which I mean everything you own and every penny you can borrow and the good will of friends and family, on the line for something you think is important?

  • Roland

    Having gone to the wall several times over ideas of much lessor import I have to ask Andy if he’s ever put everything, by which I mean everything you own and every penny you can borrow and the good will of friends and family, on the line for something you think is important?

    • bachcole

      Every time that we step outside of the box or even look outside of the box we risk friendships and business relationships and even family relationships.

  • itwontwork

    I’d give away everything and hide nothing. I’d ask for donations at most.

    • Omega Z

      Invest years of your life & every dime you have to create something. It always amazes me how easy it is for others to give away someone else’s life’s work. All the more reason in this world not to invent anything that’s usable beyond ones own use.

  • itwontwork

    I’d give away everything and hide nothing. I’d ask for donations at most.

    • Omega Z

      Invest years of your life & every dime you have to create something. It always amazes me how easy it is for others to give away someone else’s life’s work. All the more reason in this world not to invent anything that’s usable beyond ones own use.

      • itwontwork

        The question is if I were in his shoes. But actually, I am not in his shoes and I am not taking anything away from him.

        • Omega Z

          Yes, If I had a dollar for every person who make such statements that had a complete change of heart when the situation turned. I’d be Rich.
          I don’t have a problem with those who want to benefit from their efforts.
          I do with those who make claims that if it were me, I’d would do XX, but when the opportunity arises, do YY.

          You say you may except donations. Maybe you’ll receive enough to get a Starbucks. History tells us that many great people who gave freely died as paupers. But they did make the history books. It sure didn’t put food on their tables when they were living.

          • itwontwork

            I don’t want to be rich. I cannot prove that of course.

    • bachcole

      And you’d be so busy on getting those donations that you wouldn’t have any time left to improve the product.

      • itwontwork

        I really don’t understand what you mean.

        • Christina

          Hi itwontwork:

          Sir, he means getting donations is a 24/7/365 day and evening job and there is not time for anything else.

          For example, I found a great network marketed company that provided me with great vitamins, minerals, and adrenal support and I felt so much better.

          I tried to sell it.

          Everyone assumed I was lying about its advantages and since my body wasn’t transformed into a movie star-like body, no one ever believed me.

          Even if people see your energy producing product, they won’t believe it works until it’s in the store and they’ve got a guarantee that if it doesn’t work they can return it.

          Mainly, they won’t believe it because they’ll believe your lying in some way.

          For these reasons, I think Mr. Rossi chose the right course.

  • Mats002

    If this phenomenom is real, MFMP and other replicators will have success (they might already have but more is needed to be sure) and the LENR field will sour with or without Rossi/IH.

  • Omega Z

    Actually this is no more over unity then an ICE Car.
    You turn a switch that sends electricity that starts up the engine that burns fuel & it produces power.

    LENR: You turn a switch that sends electricity that starts up the E-cat which burns fuel & it produces heat.

    The only difference is the fuel used…

  • Ivan Idso

    I fully support Andrea Rossi based on the respone of his early demonstrations. His first demonstration he invited the media and if the story would have broke then he would have had the funding he needed and it would be a different story today. Instead, all we got was Mary Yugo pissing and moaning on every webpage calling him a crook.

    After three rounds of this and loosing his home, IH came along and offered to finance him. He rightfully said that until he can produce a commercial unit he is wasting his time. I do believe he has a good heart and I believe in IH. The hints he is giving is a bonus. I actually volunteered to drive to Florida and help him after he had lost his home, so he could get his next demonstration ready.

    There are a lot of great people on this blog with good hearts, but no one can hold a candle Andre Rossi. He has worked so tirelessly and unselfisly toward perfection. He doesn’t give a damn about being rich because he could have cashed out a long time ago if he did. In the end we will see that the path chosen by Andre was the best path.

    • Roland

      Exactly; he put everything on the line to, among other things, get an outstanding partner with heart, big bucks and serious connections.

      If no one like IH had stepped up to the plate yet he’d still be doing the right thing by toughing it out some more. There is no substitute for good partners that are wise at business, and it’s very, very hard to succeed with an enormous venture without them.

      For example, Rossi getting flattened like bug on a windshield by powerful enemies (think of all the imperilled interests) is now very unlikely.

      Rossi has hit the big time with Tom Darden, an inventors dream scenario…

  • Ivan Idso

    I fully support Andrea Rossi based on the respone of his early demonstrations. His first demonstration he invited the media and if the story would have broke then he would have had the funding he needed and it would be a different story today. Instead, all we got was Mary Yugo pissing and moaning on every webpage calling him a crook.

    After three rounds of this and loosing his home, IH came along and offered to finance him. He rightfully said that until he can produce a commercial unit he is wasting his time. I do believe he has a good heart and I believe in IH. The hints he is giving is a bonus. I actually volunteered to drive to Florida and help him after he had lost his home, so he could get his next demonstration ready.

    There are a lot of great people on this blog with good hearts, but no one can hold a candle Andre Rossi. He has worked so tirelessly and unselfisly toward perfection. He doesn’t give a damn about being rich because he could have cashed out a long time ago if he did. In the end we will see that the path chosen by Andre was the best path.

    • Roland

      Exactly; he put everything on the line to, among other things, get an outstanding partner with heart, big bucks and serious connections.

      If no one like IH had stepped up to the plate yet he’d still be doing the right thing by toughing it out some more. There is no substitute for good partners that are wise at business, and it’s very, very hard to succeed with an enormous venture without them.

      For example, Rossi getting flattened like bug on a windshield by powerful enemies (think of all the imperilled interests) is now very unlikely.

      Rossi has hit the big time with Tom Darden, an inventors dream scenario…

  • Ivan Idso

    I have been following Andre Rossi daily for 5 years now, so anything I say is hardly a knee jerk reaction. Andre obviously doesn’t think its ready to license yet because he has been criticized before when he demonstrated something that wasn’t beyond reproach. When he releases his product it will be ready for licensing and there will be no questioning the results.

    MFMP is only concerned with proving the concept as I understand their mission, they only want to make tea versus producing a 1 MW power plant.

    Cheers!

  • Omega Z

    Andy
    You don’t know if Industrial heat & Rossi may already have licensing plans. Tom Darden has already had meetings with People in China. From an interview, he indicated that this was just 1 of several.

    However, Being a controversial technology, Technical issues probably need addressed before any follow through. Besides technical issues, they would probably also want Proof that it can be harnessed in real work outside of a lab.

    On multiple occasions Rossi has said it is not his intent to build user products but that others would be using their reactors. Probably a couple pilot plants will be needed before it is passed off to others to build in mass.

    Rossi has also said that they intend to produce these cheap & in quantity to stay ahead of competitors. Industrial heat is not anywhere big enough to do that without partners or license agreements.

    And to Think Rossi/IH are the only players would be foolish. Michael McKubre from SRI has said there are several other players following the path to market that are close. Two of which he said few if anyone has even heard of. As far as we know, There may already be a couple other pilot plants in operation somewhere.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Dr. Rossi is on the right track. I think he sincerely believes in the free market system and believes the best way for him and the world to get the benefits of his E-Cat is through competition.
    All he wants is a little head start. It is my opinion Dr. Rossi has turned down many investors who did not have the right motives

    • clovis ray

      well, said sir.

  • GreenWin

    Aren’t “the best minds in the world” already working on LENR? Academies of Science in India, China, Italy, Sweden, Japan? Secret government projects in a dozen nations? NASA, Boeing, Airbus, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Doosan, etc.; enlightened scientists in leading technical universities?

    None of this would have happened if not for Dr. Rossi’s tenacity. Sounds like Andy and friends are grumpy they’ve been left in the hot fusion money pit.

    • clovis ray

      I breath easier, when i hear the end to hot fusion, i live a short distance from one of these old dinosaurs,atomic generators i sure hope it stays together until Ecat takes it place,

    • Publius

      There are great minds and sophisticated operations working on commercializing LENR products that do not require themselves to disclose their existence for funding nor notoriety.

      • bachcole

        Are you trying to tell us the we the peanut gallery aren’t the center of the world?

        I’ll have to think about this one. What a concept!!!

  • GreenWin

    Aren’t “the best minds in the world” already working on LENR? Academies of Science in India, China, Italy, Sweden, Japan? Secret government projects in a dozen nations? NASA, Boeing, Airbus, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Doosan, etc.; enlightened scientists in leading technical universities?

    None of this would have happened if not for Dr. Rossi’s tenacity. Sounds like Andy and friends are grumpy they’ve been left in the hot fusion money pit.

    • clovis ray

      I breath easier, when i hear the end to hot fusion, i live a short distance from one of these old dinosaurs,atomic generators i sure hope it stays together until Ecat takes it place,

    • Publius

      There are great minds and sophisticated operations working on commercializing LENR products that do not require themselves to disclose their existence for funding nor notoriety.

      • bachcole

        Are you trying to tell us the we the peanut gallery aren’t the center of the world?

        I’ll have to think about this one. What a concept!!!

      • GreenWin

        Thank you “Publius.” We Federalists gotta stick together.

        “Publius: The Journal of Federalism is the world’s leading
        journal devoted to federalism. It is required reading for scholars of
        many disciplines who want the
        latest developments, trends, and empirical and
        theoretical work on federalism and intergovernmental relations.”

        PS: “nor” is generally preceded by the negative “neither.” According to Grammar Nazi.

  • Zarat

    In Andrea’s Rossi shoes I was for sure making a revision inside my own mind with annalist help … Any disruptive technology must be open source in nature. Because disruptive means that many interests will be damaged and groups forms to block any new technology that can compete with establishment. An E-cat device will never have a chance to enter the market using normal pathways, will never have any IP protection. If the e-cat is true revolution, (I don’t believe in it) Rossi will be forced to do the same thing Elon Musk Did, he will open the IP for free open sourcing it and then, millions of companies will start building E-cat or else, a market will form and then he can make money on developments over existing technology. This is what gonna happen, you guys can loose your saliva during the next five years or so talking about A.R. in forums, trying to keep the flame alive…But him, and also IH, will follow Elon Musk. He is even in risk that a true “Alexander Parkhomov” appears and take their dreams. I don’t see any difference between Andrea Rossi and Mehran Tavakoli Keshe, both are acting the same way, both are using the same strategy because they lived 60 years struggling to catch money easily with zero success, and now they don’t have anything to loose except time, their time and our time using investors money… It’s an strategic game from mentally ill people.

    • Omega Z

      Zarat
      Elon Musk did a great sales job. Did he Not.
      Here’s a Free car, However, there is a $50K fee for title transfer.
      What he did was make an attempt to make his technology the universal one. Everyone will except his standards. Promote his battery technology & increase his cars sales. It was not free. Those who don’t except those terms must still pay for it.

      Rossi is from another time “they lived 60 years struggling to catch money”
      Yes And your apparently from a time that you think everyone Owes you.
      When People like Rossi say enough & quit contributing, People of your attitude will become extinct. You will not know how to do nothing & can not provide for yourself.

    • Brent Buckner

      You wrote: “Any disruptive technology must be open source in nature.” I think the transistor was disruptive, and it was not open source. If you want to challenge your thinking about your “must be open source” I think you could quickly google other counterexamples.

      • Francis

        The first field effect transistor was invented in 1925 by physicist Julius Edgar Lilienfeld. Since he did not publish (in his patent) any information nor example about how he made it there was no chance for anyone to replicate it. This delayed its adoption by at least 20 years. What did Lilienfeld gain from his secrecy? Nothing. No one could use his patent. He just managed to delay progress by 20 years. This is a good point for the original poster. Whoever finds something amazing (such as LENR) and keeps it secret for personal gain (such as Rossi) is not doing a favor to the rest of us.

        • GreenWin

          No Francis. Lilienfeld filed several apps for a theoretical FET – but never constructed a device. Nor were the semi-conductor materials available to build a device until the late 1930s. There was no device, no prototype, no demo, thus there was no way a person skilled in the art could replicate it. But he had the right general idea.

    • Roland

      I’ll be charitable and assume you’re not a native English speaker. The automobile, aeroplanes, solid state electronics and the internet are disruptive technologies; building a car from existing technologies isn’t.

      As to what you ‘believe’ some folks are still struggling to get their heads around the moon landing.

  • Zarat

    In Andrea’s Rossi shoes I was for sure making a revision inside my own mind with annalist help … Any disruptive technology must be open source in nature. Because disruptive means that many interests will be damaged and groups forms to block any new technology that can compete with establishment. An E-cat device will never have a chance to enter the market using normal pathways, will never have any IP protection. If the e-cat is true revolution, (I don’t believe in it) Rossi will be forced to do the same thing Elon Musk Did, he will open the IP for free open sourcing it and then, millions of companies will start building E-cat or else, a market will form and then he can make money on developments over existing technology. This is what gonna happen, you guys can loose your saliva during the next five years or so talking about A.R. in forums, trying to keep the flame alive…But him, and also IH, will follow Elon Musk. He is even in risk that a true “Alexander Parkhomov” appears and take their dreams. I don’t see any difference between Andrea Rossi and Mehran Tavakoli Keshe, both are acting the same way, both are using the same strategy because they lived 60 years struggling to catch money easily with zero success, and now they don’t have anything to loose except time, their time and our time using investors money… It’s an strategic game from mentally ill people.

    • Omega Z

      Zarat
      Elon Musk did a great sales job. Did he Not.
      Here’s a Free car, However, there is a $50K fee for title transfer.
      What he did was make an attempt to make his technology the universal one. Everyone will except his standards. Promote his battery technology & increase his cars sales. It was not free. Those who don’t except those terms must still pay for it.

      Rossi is from another time “they lived 60 years struggling to catch money”
      Yes And your apparently from a time that you think everyone Owes you.
      When People like Rossi say enough & quit contributing, People of your attitude will become extinct. You will not know how to do nothing & can not provide for yourself.

      • Zarat

        Why people here don’t accept criticism against A.R.? Only opinions that renders him a God are welcome? He can be a good or a bad person like his affirmations that the results can be positive or negative as always…

        • Christina

          Mr. Zarat:

          Mr. Akland accepted lots of criticism against Mr. Rossi in the early years of this blog.

          But after the Lugano test was proven mostly successful and after other scientists were getting positive results, the criticism subsided and the hope that lenr is real exploded.

          Albeit, we are still awaiting the final unveiling.

          This unveiling could be the true diamond of low energy nanoscale nuclear reactions (lennr) or it could be anything from a total fiasco to energy as productive as what’s here or fantastic forms of energy that free humanity forever from worrying over energy.

          We’ll see what God’s providence has put into His physics for Mr. Rossi and others to find and develop.

          Sincerely,

          Christina

          Christina

        • Omega Z

          Actually, This has nothing to do with Rossi.
          It is about an attitude that someone owes you. I have no problem helping people. Especially for those who due to reasons beyond their control need help. But to claim Rossi or anyone else for that matter owes it to you is just wrong. It is theft. How bout you give me a few years of your life. That is what you are asking if you think about it.

          And Should Rossi get rich by providing a product that saves you 100 times what it costs & makes your life better. GREAT. I can’t imagine a better way to get rich. By truly helping Society.

          Hypothetical
          I’ve occasionally wondered when people talk of greed: What if I developed a little black box that you attach to your car & saves you a $1000 a year on gas. And this little black box cost $20 of which I make $1 profit. Would you call me greedy.

          What if I sold 1 for each of the 1 Billion cars in the World. I’ve made a Billion$. Am I Greedy. I’ve saved you all a Trillion$ for every year you drive your cars. Who’s Greedy. If you think it is I, Then maybe I think the world is not worthy of my little black box. Maybe I shall not build it. I will just go have a drink & flip the world off.

          Lucky for You. I think some people in the world are worthy. I build it so as not to punish them for your greed.

          • Zarat

            Again. Results can be positive or negative, and Andrea Rossi can be a positive or negative person, from my perspective he is extremely negative person but he can also become positive releasing the technology

          • GreenWin

            Give it up Zarat. You’re just wasting your time with negative comments.

        • bachcole

          We have seen enough to know that Rossi has the goods. If you want to criticize him, you are welcome to go to http://maryyugo.com I am sure that she/he will welcome you.

          This is a matter that I have already concluded in my mind. I don’t want to be bothered with sniping. If some thing real turns up, like the whole thing was a scam engineered by Bill Gates, then I will listen.

    • Brent Buckner

      You wrote: “Any disruptive technology must be open source in nature.” I think the transistor was disruptive, and it was not open source. If you want to challenge your thinking about your “must be open source” I think you could quickly google other counterexamples.

      • Francis

        The first field effect transistor was invented in 1925 by physicist Julius Edgar Lilienfeld. Since he did not publish (in his patent) any information nor example about how he made it there was no chance for anyone to replicate it. This delayed its adoption by at least 20 years. What did Lilienfeld gain from his secrecy? Nothing. No one could use his patent. He just managed to delay progress by 20 years. This is a good point for the original poster. Whoever finds something amazing (such as LENR) and keeps it secret for personal gain (such as Rossi) is not doing a favor to the rest of us.

        • Zarat

          Exactly what is happening right now, of course if he discloses just a little of the key process a new market will appear suddenly and it’s huge thing ! After the ground is prepared many companies will develop even further and he can be richer than he wants to be right now together with IH so the chances that he become billionaire in the next 5 years is better with disclosure than without it. But unfortunately he don’t think this way, we can see on his history of life at the times in Italy what he did and how he behaved… He is a kind of Maestro man that wants to play the orchestra alone, he is one man band…

          • GreenWin

            You underestimate human ego and greed. It’s all but guaranteed should Rossi reveal proprietary details… there will be an “explosion” in an LENR lab. Likely it will kill one or two people. Those people will be accused of crackpot science endangering the human race.

            A couple more incidents of the like and LENR will be relegated to basement bomber status, just above suitcase terrorists. Rossi knows the game. These pleas for altruism before there is a commercially viable product are driven by ulterior motive.

            Put simply; most people in this program are untrustworthy.

        • GreenWin

          No Francis. Lilienfeld filed several apps for a theoretical FET – but never constructed a device. Nor were the semi-conductor materials available to build a device until the late 1930s. There was no device, no prototype, no demo, thus there was no way a person skilled in the art could replicate it. But he had the right general idea.

    • Roland

      I’ll be charitable and assume you’re not a native English speaker. The automobile, aeroplanes, solid state electronics and the internet are disruptive technologies; building a car from existing technologies isn’t.

      As to what you ‘believe’ some folks are still struggling to get their heads around the moon landing.

  • Omega Z

    I’m also not a fan of Big Pharma, But I’ve learned overtime that not all is as it seems. They are a government pawn just like the rest of us. They also have the highest research funding from profits averaging 20% or more. Without this, the type of research they do would all but cease to exist.

    Our Government doesn’t fund this type of research. They only fund basic compound research. Someone involved in such research are limited to what they are allowed to publish. If inadvertently by fluke you discovered a certain compound wiped out all cancer cells in a petri dish, you can’t publish such a finding if it is not in the purview of your research. You can’t even direct Big Pharma to look at it. It could lead to being banned from funding & research all together. I would point out that the researcher who posted this answer to a question said, This does not mean what is found is a cure. Just a direction to look into. Still, they are not allowed to point anyone in that direction.

    Another thing to be aware of, If you develop a drug that can be manufactured & sold for $10, You will be directed to sell it for cost or even a loss to people in other parts of the World. In return, your allowed to sell it for an exuberant price in the U.S. to offset losses of profit.

    At 1 time I wondered how poor countries could afford certain treatments, And I 1st became aware of how with Bill Clinton’s African aids drug deal. $50 a patient for what costs $1K or more a month for U.S. patients. It is cost shifting & it is practiced on a regular bases with all expensive drugs. It’s also not a U.S. exclusive. All western nations do this to some extent.

    Even Tho I’m still not a Big Pharma fan, I do have a different perspective. Much of it has to do with Government policies. The same policies that prevent investigation of non traditional medicine.

    In the G7 thread Merkel says we need to start the 100 Billion$ a year funding. Follow the money. To the U.N. who will distribute it to smaller impoverished countries for GW mitigation. A couple months ago 1 of those Island leaders was screaming he wanted his 2 Billion$ promised & the U.N. needed to ply the pressure on Western Countries to pay up.
    We know how this will work. A lot of Rich Politico’s & still impoverished people. It’s a pattern…

    • bachcole

      You still are a big fan of (exclusively) reductionistic, (exclusively) anti-naturalistic, and (exclusively) greed corrupted thinking that you share with Big Pharma. It is this bias that is killing so many people. Anyone who does not think like this, but rather thinks holistically, naturally (or paleo), and “cheaply”, is marginalized, demonized, de-funded, ostricisized. and basically has their career destroyed by Big Pharma and their minions. Think not? Remember Dr. Linus Pauling. It turns out that he was right. Ultra-high levels of vitamin C do absolutely nothing harmful and kill cancer cells. This example doesn’t even qualify as the tip of the ice berg. I have healed myself without any pharmaceutical drugs whatsoever. I was crippled. And now I walk normally.

      The government doesn’t dictate to Big Pharma. Big Pharma dictates to the government.

  • Omega Z

    Rossi said he had a discussion with a car manufacturer that said it would take at least 20 years due to developing the technology for that use & getting through Government red tape. Don’t recall which one, but the person he spoke to pretty much confirmed that since then.
    I took that as a positive note. At least the manufacturer didn’t say it was impossible.

  • GreenWin

    Give it up Zarat. You’re just wasting your time with negative comments.

  • bachcole

    We have seen enough to know that Rossi has the goods. If you want to criticize him, you are welcome to go to http://maryyugo.com I am sure that she/he will welcome you.

    This is a matter that I have already concluded in my mind. I don’t want to be bothered with sniping. If some thing real turns up, like the whole thing was a scam engineered by Bill Gates, then I will listen.

  • Axil Axil

    Rossi has set a very high bar for humanitarian behavior. IMHO, none of us can do better. Rossi wants to give all his profits to children with cancer and to help autistic children. IH has also agreed to distribute their profits to the same purpose.

    Rossi is reported to have receive a great deal of money for his intellectual property from IH. If Rossi has been faithful towards his early intentions, he would have given that money to many children in distress directly. If you say a thing, you should do it. Has there been any indication that these intentions are being acted on? Such positive news about these actions would be great to reveal that LENR is all heart and not just centered on making money. Of course, these children may be held silent under a NDA to protest Rossi’s modesty..

    A few of Rossi;s intentions are listed below:

    Andrea Rossi

    July 6th, 2014 at 7:51 PM

    WaltC:
    The E-Cat detractors are making a wonderful work: they do not know, but I read carefully all they say and write. Their critics sometimes are right, sometimes are not, but in both cases we learn from them. You have noticed that the more they fight against us the more we grow up and a scientific observation should put a ratio cause-effect between the criticism and our growth.
    About your paragraphs:
    1- no neutrons exit from the E-Cats
    2- quite difficult with the first and second thermodynamic principles
    3- we will see from the next Third Independent Party: maybe it is true, maybe not
    4- the patentability has nothing to do with the question if it works or not
    5- this is a very important paragraph, let us analyse it; first of all we must put a distinction between the objective and the subjective aspect of this issue;
    a- objective aspect: if the so called Rossi Effect works ( and let me remind to all that the results of the tests could be positive, but also negative) it will be useful for everybody, also for the children or all the world
    b- subjective aspect: I repeat what I wrote in another comment today: I gave my honour word that a relevant part of the profits of our work will be spent to fund the healthcare of children whose families cannot afford proper healthcare. I said it, my Team and I are doing it, we will do it. Do not ask me anymore about this issue, because this is an issue I want not to trumpet around.
    Thank you for your trust.
    You ask: what they will come up with next ? Whatever it will be, we will take advantage of it. In my life I had to overcome many, many, many very, very negative events and to survive I developed a skill to turn into positive a negative event: for example, when I have been put in prison for crimes I never made, I told to myself: ” what a wonderful occasion to study the LENR: now I lost everything I had, all my time can be dedicated to this”. It worked.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Andrea Rossi

    July 6th, 2014 at 2:08 PM

    To the Readers:
    There is one thing that disturbs me, that is circulationg in minor blogs that have been reported to me: I am accused not to respect my honour word to spend relevant part of the profits produced by the Rossi Effect for the healthcare of children that cannot afford proper healthcare. I gave my word on this issue, and I always do what I say, even if this will not be trumpeted around.
    In due time and in due sites we will give information of this endeavour of us. I am very upset to have to write about this, but, unfortunately, the mother of the imbeciles is always pregnant and we must take care of what pops out.
    Andrea Rossi

    Andrea Rossi

    May 27th, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Dear Tony Mc Connell:
    Of course our work is more important than the dirt play of mafious persons and organizations, but today I found on wikipedia a page headed with my name in which is falsely reported that I have pending charges in Court and that I have been convicted for crimes for which I HAVE BEEN ACQUITTED, and when I politely sent a correction the correction has been published for 5 minutes, after which the corrections have been cancelled and returned the text with the falsifications, and after that my corrections have not been accepted: I cannot stand this. Obviously I cannot take off the time ( 16 hours per day) that I have to dedicate to my work, so I cannot compete with the wikipedian mafia, but nevertheless it is unavoidable that I get nervous for some hour…now the issue is in the hands of my attorneys. I WANT TO BE REFUNDED AND THE MONEY I WILL GET WILL GO TO HEAL A CHILD FROM CANCER. So all this mafious bullshit will have had a sense. I have no more time to subtract to my work: today I will finish to work at 3 a.m. of tomorrow to recover the time I spent to struggle against this mafia and see my corrections published again, with no results…I will spend no more time on this, but be sure the more they will stay with that bullshit published, the more they will pay. Now the issue is completely in the hands of my attorneys.
    Again: to know my past, please go to
    http://www.ingandrearossi.com
    Warm Regards,
    Andrea Rossi

    Andrea Rossi

    December 16th, 2012 at 10:13 AM

    Dear Frank Acland:
    The philosophy of our USA Partner and of us is based on the following 4 pillars:
    1- this technology has to be consolidated and put at the service of Mankind
    2- industrialization of the manufacturing must reach low prices to lower the cost of energy in the World
    3- give back the money we earn as much as possible to cure cancer in children in the World
    4- produce good jobs
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Andrea Rossi

    August 31st, 2012 at 3:56 AM

    Dear Bernie Koppenhofer:
    First of all, the certification process must be completed in Europe or in the USA at least before we make an installation, and this is valid also for Africa: it is deonthologically unacceptable to install a not certified apparatus in a Country just because in that Country the safety issues are not addressed.
    We have no experience in desalination yet, and this operation can be made only after we will know exactly the problem. After that, there are many problems to think about, first of all the problem of the defence of the technology, that in those situations can be very critic: who makes secure the place? That is an action that will be possible only after our plants will be already diffused, the Intallectual Property well defined and our experience in desalination consolidated. We got the idea and we will take in account it: when we will set up our system of charity we will think about this and will look not for charity organizations, but directly to the utilizers, as well as we will give the money for children cancer care directly to the families, to avoid to pay wages of “non profit” organizations managers, secretaries etc instead of paying healthcare
    Warm Regards,

    Andrea Rossi

    December 24th, 2011 at 5:15 PM

    Dear Doug Hulstedt MD:
    Your pre-order has been accepted, of course: thank you.
    Yes, all the E-Cats of the first generation, which will produce only heat, will be retrofittable to produce also electricity.
    I want specific names of autistic children who need help: we are ready to help, but I want to be sure that the money goes to them.

    Andrea Rossi

    May 2nd, 2011 at 1:54 AM

    Dear Doug Hulstedt, MD:
    1- I prefer a simpler and more specific way: get the address of the children, make a check that all is true, pay the hospital, get the specific healthcare. I think this is the only way to be effective in a practical way, otherwise money will be diluted in many ways and, substantially, wasted.
    2- I have good help
    Waerm regards,
    A.R.

  • Axil Axil

    Rossi has set a very high bar for humanitarian behavior. IMHO, none of us can do better. Rossi wants to give all his profits to children with cancer and to help autistic children. IH has also agreed to distribute their profits to the same purpose.

    Rossi is reported to have receive a great deal of money for his intellectual property from IH. If Rossi has been faithful towards his early intentions, he would have given that money to many children in distress directly. If you say a thing, you should do it. Has there been any indication that these intentions are being acted on? Such positive news about these actions would be great to reveal that LENR is all heart and not just centered on making money. Of course, these children may be held silent under a NDA to protest Rossi’s modesty..

    A few of Rossi’s intentions are listed below:

    Andrea Rossi

    July 6th, 2014 at 7:51 PM

    WaltC:
    The E-Cat detractors are making a wonderful work: they do not know, but I read carefully all they say and write. Their critics sometimes are right, sometimes are not, but in both cases we learn from them. You have noticed that the more they fight against us the more we grow up and a scientific observation should put a ratio cause-effect between the criticism and our growth.
    About your paragraphs:
    1- no neutrons exit from the E-Cats
    2- quite difficult with the first and second thermodynamic principles
    3- we will see from the next Third Independent Party: maybe it is true, maybe not
    4- the patentability has nothing to do with the question if it works or not
    5- this is a very important paragraph, let us analyse it; first of all we must put a distinction between the objective and the subjective aspect of this issue;
    a- objective aspect: if the so called Rossi Effect works ( and let me remind to all that the results of the tests could be positive, but also negative) it will be useful for everybody, also for the children or all the world
    b- subjective aspect: I repeat what I wrote in another comment today: I gave my honour word that a relevant part of the profits of our work will be spent to fund the healthcare of children whose families cannot afford proper healthcare. I said it, my Team and I are doing it, we will do it. Do not ask me anymore about this issue, because this is an issue I want not to trumpet around.
    Thank you for your trust.
    You ask: what they will come up with next ? Whatever it will be, we will take advantage of it. In my life I had to overcome many, many, many very, very negative events and to survive I developed a skill to turn into positive a negative event: for example, when I have been put in prison for crimes I never made, I told to myself: ” what a wonderful occasion to study the LENR: now I lost everything I had, all my time can be dedicated to this”. It worked.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Andrea Rossi

    July 6th, 2014 at 2:08 PM

    To the Readers:
    There is one thing that disturbs me, that is circulationg in minor blogs that have been reported to me: I am accused not to respect my honour word to spend relevant part of the profits produced by the Rossi Effect for the healthcare of children that cannot afford proper healthcare. I gave my word on this issue, and I always do what I say, even if this will not be trumpeted around.
    In due time and in due sites we will give information of this endeavour of us. I am very upset to have to write about this, but, unfortunately, the mother of the imbeciles is always pregnant and we must take care of what pops out.
    Andrea Rossi

    Andrea Rossi

    May 27th, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Dear Tony Mc Connell:
    Of course our work is more important than the dirt play of mafious persons and organizations, but today I found on wikipedia a page headed with my name in which is falsely reported that I have pending charges in Court and that I have been convicted for crimes for which I HAVE BEEN ACQUITTED, and when I politely sent a correction the correction has been published for 5 minutes, after which the corrections have been cancelled and returned the text with the falsifications, and after that my corrections have not been accepted: I cannot stand this. Obviously I cannot take off the time ( 16 hours per day) that I have to dedicate to my work, so I cannot compete with the wikipedian mafia, but nevertheless it is unavoidable that I get nervous for some hour…now the issue is in the hands of my attorneys. I WANT TO BE REFUNDED AND THE MONEY I WILL GET WILL GO TO HEAL A CHILD FROM CANCER. So all this mafious bullshit will have had a sense. I have no more time to subtract to my work: today I will finish to work at 3 a.m. of tomorrow to recover the time I spent to struggle against this mafia and see my corrections published again, with no results…I will spend no more time on this, but be sure the more they will stay with that bullshit published, the more they will pay. Now the issue is completely in the hands of my attorneys.
    Again: to know my past, please go to
    http://www.ingandrearossi.com
    Warm Regards,
    Andrea Rossi

    Andrea Rossi

    December 16th, 2012 at 10:13 AM

    Dear Frank Acland:
    The philosophy of our USA Partner and of us is based on the following 4 pillars:
    1- this technology has to be consolidated and put at the service of Mankind
    2- industrialization of the manufacturing must reach low prices to lower the cost of energy in the World
    3- give back the money we earn as much as possible to cure cancer in children in the World
    4- produce good jobs
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Andrea Rossi

    August 31st, 2012 at 3:56 AM

    Dear Bernie Koppenhofer:
    First of all, the certification process must be completed in Europe or in the USA at least before we make an installation, and this is valid also for Africa: it is deonthologically unacceptable to install a not certified apparatus in a Country just because in that Country the safety issues are not addressed.
    We have no experience in desalination yet, and this operation can be made only after we will know exactly the problem. After that, there are many problems to think about, first of all the problem of the defence of the technology, that in those situations can be very critic: who makes secure the place? That is an action that will be possible only after our plants will be already diffused, the Intallectual Property well defined and our experience in desalination consolidated. We got the idea and we will take in account it: when we will set up our system of charity we will think about this and will look not for charity organizations, but directly to the utilizers, as well as we will give the money for children cancer care directly to the families, to avoid to pay wages of “non profit” organizations managers, secretaries etc instead of paying healthcare
    Warm Regards,

    Andrea Rossi

    December 24th, 2011 at 5:15 PM

    Dear Doug Hulstedt MD:
    Your pre-order has been accepted, of course: thank you.
    Yes, all the E-Cats of the first generation, which will produce only heat, will be retrofittable to produce also electricity.
    I want specific names of autistic children who need help: we are ready to help, but I want to be sure that the money goes to them.

    Andrea Rossi

    May 2nd, 2011 at 1:54 AM

    Dear Doug Hulstedt, MD:
    1- I prefer a simpler and more specific way: get the address of the children, make a check that all is true, pay the hospital, get the specific healthcare. I think this is the only way to be effective in a practical way, otherwise money will be diluted in many ways and, substantially, wasted.
    2- I have good help
    Waerm regards,
    A.R.

    • Andy Kumar

      “Of course, these children may be held silent under a NDA to protest (sic) Rossi’s modesty..”
      Axil, That is funny. Are you suggesting that Dr. Rossi should disclose his charitable works so far? At least no IP is involved. It will show that he keeps his promises.

    • bachcole

      Any charity going to conventional medical research will be wasted other than helping Rossi by way of improving his karma. All conventional medical research is reductionistic and anti-natural.

  • LilyLover

    I guess, I would have been assassinated in Rossi’s shoes, for speaking too much about avenging the Petroldragon. He let it go, channeled the energy into E-Cat and came back bigger and better. So, yes, surviving the powerful snakes, waarants him the biggest bravery award much more than a Nobel prize which is probably going to be replaced by Rossi prize in the future – prestigewise, anyways! Yes, I know Rossi better than he can admit to himself. 🙂
    His path is noble, faster and better than the one inspired by profits.

  • Francis

    I perfectly agree with you. While i am a Rossi supporter i don’t like his “strategy” and i don’t pretend it is good as many do here (which, quite frankly, is sadly beginning to look very much like the fanboyism you can see in Apple users).

    The whole point of patents is to release information to the rest of the society WHILE still having profits for a reasonable long time (20 years). All what Rossi has to do is release all his informations so that whoever is in charge to confirm his patent can replicate it and prove to himself it is a real thing. Then whoever builds and sells it doesn’t matter anymore… Rossi still gets his good share of profits which will be more than enough to spend his whole life in a house made of gold and emeralds.

    So why is Rossi keeping all these secrets? What is it exactly that he wants that he cannot have with the mountain of money that is waiting for him if he only opens up a bit? He already has a huge advantage over any third party… why doesn’t he release the basic “recipe” to make a simple E-Cat?

    While i believe that the E-Cat is real and i never, not even once, called him a liar as many did, i still don’t understand this silly behaviour. I perfectly understand that he had very bad experiences in the past, but he can quite easily prove his worth and prove the society wrong if this is what he seeks… without making us wait for years as he has done. Every single day he delays it someone keeps dying for lack of energy (and food and water) all around the world and our planet gets more and more polluted. He has the idea/knowledge that could stop all of this right now, or at least it could help a lot… so why is he delaying it? Does he really want the whole pie or no pie at all? Does it look like something that should be praised of him?

    This is what i would have done differently from him, and i think this would be the most sensible thing to do if anyone was in his shoes.

    • Allan Kiik

      Old timers here surely remember Defkalion who did exactly that – started selling licenses (40 Million EUR each) before they had working and reliable, well tested design.
      As Rossi has stated many times, the e-cat is much more advanced tech than most of observers can imagine. And this sophistication is not only in the ‘charge’ composition and geometry, it is about taming the reaction and keeping the charge live for long run times, fast removal of excess heat etc. There is a lot of problems to solve and most of them need long string of experiments to explore the vast parameter space, to be sure about the commercial success. That is what Rossi is referring to, when he is talking about possible negative outcome. If you do not have reliable design, but you have something what is enough to convince big players that the effect is indeed real, then, without IP protection, you are in the worst possible position – the winner takes it all.

    • Mats002

      Hi Clovis, yes for shore 🙂

    • BillH

      I can suggest a few answers, 1) Releasing the design of a product which has such a high energy density could be ever so slightly dangerous, and result in people blowing themselves up 2) Mr Rossi hasn’t worked out the physics yet and doesn’t want someone beating him to it. 3) The one who can get the first patent approved will scoop the most money and fame. 4) The E-Cat might not be as simple as you think.

  • Allan Kiik

    Old timers here surely remember Defkalion who did exactly that – started selling licenses (40 Million EUR each) before they had working and reliable, well tested design.
    As Rossi has stated many times, the e-cat is much more advanced tech than most of observers can imagine. And this sophistication is not only in the ‘charge’ composition and geometry, it is about taming the reaction and keeping the charge live for long run times, fast removal of excess heat etc. There is a lot of problems to solve and most of them need long string of experiments to explore the vast parameter space, to be sure about the commercial success. That is what Rossi is referring to, when he is talking about possible negative outcome. If you do not have reliable design, but you have something what is enough to convince big players that the effect is indeed real, then, without IP protection, you are in the worst possible position – the winner takes it all.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    I would have either stayed at home to watch Jerry Springer reruns and throw empty beer cans at the TV or looked for a way to interface the Hot-Cat with an alpha voltaic cell to make electricity directly from the MeV alphas coming from the reaction, Li(7) + p > 2(He) 17.3 MeV. See 00:40 min. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy0kHQASsX8#t=20

    • GreenWin

      I recall George Miley suggesting a grid between plasma electrodes could provide the equiv of this alpha voltaic cell. I would also look to STMicro to adopt their LENR patent to an energy producing semiconductor. Nanoplasma -> Vi.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Ah yeah, and we’re probably just seeing the tip
        of the iceberg.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    I would have either stayed at home to watch Jerry Springer reruns and throw empty beer cans at the TV or looked for a way to interface the Hot-Cat with an alpha voltaic cell to make electricity directly from the MeV alphas coming from the reaction, Li(7) + p > 2(He) 17.3 MeV. See 00:40 min. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy0kHQASsX8#t=20

    • GreenWin

      I recall George Miley suggesting a grid between plasma electrodes could provide the equiv of this alpha voltaic cell. I would also look to STMicro to adopt their LENR patent to an energy producing semiconductor. Nanoplasma -> Vi.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Ah yeah, and we’re probably just seeing the tip
        of the iceberg.

  • Tobben

    If i Were in Andrea Rossi’s Shoes i would try how fast they are 🙂

  • Tobben

    If i Were in Andrea Rossi’s Shoes i would try how fast they are 🙂

  • GreenWin

    You underestimate human ego and greed. It’s all but guaranteed should Rossi reveal proprietary details… there will be an “explosion” in an LENR lab. Likely it will kill one or two people. Those people will be accused of crackpot science endangering the human race.

    A couple more incidents of the like and LENR will be relegated to basement bomber status, just above suitcase terrorists. Rossi knows the game. These pleas for altruism before there is a commercially viable product are driven by ulterior motive.

    Put simply; most people in this program are untrustworthy.

  • GreenWin

    BTW, the entire “personal computer” ($1.5T) business was built on proprietary IP. But somehow that seemed to place near-zero limits on PC cloning and reverse engineering. The personal computer business may be the fastest adopted technology in human history – in spite of it being ringed with patents, NDAs, trade secrets, and proprietary IP.

    Conclusion? If A.R. can do it – why not US??

    • Roland

      And you’ll note that the survivors are still hacking away at each other, in the courts and otherwise, decades later over the liberties taken by most all and sundry during the frenzy.

      Transgress first, litigate later…

  • GreenWin

    BTW, the entire “personal computer” ($1.5T) business was built on proprietary IP. But somehow that seemed to place near-zero limits on PC cloning and reverse engineering. The personal computer business may be the fastest adopted technology in human history – in spite of it being ringed with patents, NDAs, trade secrets, and proprietary IP.

    Conclusion? If A.R. can do it – why not US??

    • Andy Kumar

      Green,
      There is a lesson to be learnt here. IBM muscled in on old Apple territory and in turn got kicked out by the clones. Our friend Andrea is unnecessarily possessive of his technology. The moment he sells one cat, there is no stopping the copycats.
      .
      A simple convincing test in front of the sharks in the Shark Tank will bring him 100s of $M, huge TV ratings, mass awareness and acceptance of LENR.
      .
      Here is the simple test: Run two small reactors (active and dummy) on diesel generators, on a gallon of fuel each. Heat buckets of water to boiling hot and count (1,2 3..). No need for fancy math or measurements or convoluted calculations. Keep the whole setup on top of a large table, *no wires coming in or out*. Will any of the LENR players Keep It this Simple Stupid (KISS)? If you have a better idea, we would like to hear it.

      • GreenWin

        Andy, you continue to labor under the impression LENR resolves around Andrea Rossi. And that he owes US yet another demo; or needs shark money. That’s not how commercial products launch. Especially one as disruptive as this.

        There are a thousand cold fusion papers in the CANR library. How ’bout our best and brightest do some homework?

        BTW, didn’t Apple steal from Xerox PARC??

    • Roland

      And you’ll note that the survivors are still hacking away at each other, in the courts and otherwise, decades later over the liberties taken by most all and sundry during the frenzy.

      Transgress first, litigate later…

  • GreenWin

    Andy, you continue to labor under the impression LENR resolves around Andrea Rossi. And that he owes US yet another demo; or needs shark money. That’s not how commercial products launch. Especially one as disruptive as this.

    There are a thousand cold fusion papers in the CANR library. How ’bout our best and brightest do some homework?

    BTW, didn’t Apple steal from Xerox PARC??

  • Warthog

    You’ve got it precisely backwards. Those who made the RF measurements had no idea why it was there. It was wholly an experimental discovery with no theoretical basis whatsoever at the time. IIRC, the most popular theory at the time was the “steady state universe”,