Induction Coils with Titanium/Hydride tablet — Does it Self Sustain? (Video)

Thanks to Pelgrim for sharing a link to this video which comes from the Laboratory of Experimental Physics — also known as “TET” — in Ukraine.

This laboratory has been involved in a wide variety of research projects in rather unconventional areas over the years, and now they are looking at Rossi’s E-Cat as an area to explore. Their website provides details of their research activities in the LENR area.

One project involves efforts to replicate Rossi and Parkhomov — with an important difference. Here’s a quote from their website:

“The main difference between our research from the experiments of Alexander Parkhomov and Andrea Rossi is the fact that we use as a sorbent metal — titanium. When hydrogen absorbtion of titanium we observed similar effects of excess heat. When applying hydrogen pressure in the reaction zone precluding sorbtion we observed temperature rises of titanium powder to 50-70 degrees C and this cannot be explained by the chemical nature of the reaction”

There’s no measurement data to go along with the video, so all we have to go on is the commentary from the narrators. There’s perhaps some information here that can be useful to replicators and give ideas for further experimentation.

  • SG

    I’m confused. Are the copper coils used for heating the Titanium/Hydride tablet? In other words, are they pumping power through those coils? Or are they pumping water through the coils to extract heat from the reaction? Or both?

    • US_Citizen71

      I think both.

      • SG

        That strikes me as ingenious.

      • mwr1176

        This is cool but I would love to see someone put it in a journal.

    • Gerard McEk

      The coil is used for induction heating of the small tablet inside the coil. This can also be used for heating Ni+LiAlH4 inside a tube. Unfortunately is temperature mesurement using a thermocouple not possible because industion heating would also heat the TC. You have to use an infrared pyrometer then.

      • Nigel Appleton

        I believe that, for thin thermocouple wires, and certain ranges of frequencies, parasitic heating of the thermocouple can be neglected.
        Certainly, in one of my setups, a steel tube is heated very satisfactorily (>1200 C), but the K-type thermocouple inserted by itself in the work coil heats hardly at all

        • Gerard McEk

          That is what I assumed also but see this link: http://www.maneyonline.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1179/1743290113Y.0000000069
          I expected that nickel micro powder would not be very sensitive for induction heating (IH), but when you reed that report you will see it is. The reason I expected not was that eddy currents would see too much resistance between the particles.
          An insulated thin thermocouple wire may not be so sensitive for heating by IH, but the reading (uV!) may be influenced by the induction and cause false readings. I would be very suspicious when using a TC while using IH. The sort of TC materials and the frequency of the IH will influence, but how much I do not know.

          • Axil Axil

            Research has shown a relationship between the frequency of the alternating current and the heating depth of penetration: the higher the frequency, the shallower the eddy current heating in the part. Frequencies of 100 to 400 kHz produce relatively high-energy heat, ideal for quickly heating small parts or the surface/skin of larger parts. THis is the condition that applies in the dogbone reactor. We want to stay away from the core of the reactor with the RF. For deep, penetrating heat, longer heating cycles at lower frequencies of 5 to 30 kHz have been shown to be most effective. But at 1009C to 1100C, RF might not be effective due to the lack of magnetic behaviour in the very hot nickel powder.

            There might need to be a goodly amount of design thought put into the induction heating setup, to get the optimum results.

          • Nigel Appleton

            At least it’s feasible to “tune” an induction heating coil by altering its morphology and the associated capacitors. I’ve also been using a PWM to adjust the duty cycle and frequency superimposed on the work coil’s resonant frequency. I need to arrange water-cooling for the MOSFETS, losing too many!

          • Ted-X

            The principle of a welding transformer can be used to do excellent heating. The Ni powder would be located in a toroidal tube, forming a short-circuited coil with high current and low voltage (this is how the welding transformer works).

  • bfast

    I know that there is very little information here — but this looks VERY interesting! I am most intrigued by the statement that they are removing all power, and the reaction is very actively continuing.

    • Agaricus

      From their conclusion:

      On the basis of conducted research we can already start making and production ofcost-effective electric boilers and heaters. Expected savings of this type of heating elements (Ed. i.e., containing thier LENR reactors), in comparison with conventional heating lements, 3-4 time (Ed. i.e. COP=3-4). Etc.

      Lots of other interesting observations – recommended reading!

  • Agaricus

    Simple, easy to build, nothing to burn out, I like this a lot, and intuitively feel its the way to go. I believe that there is evidence to indicate that Rossi probably used induction heating at some point, and learned about the importance of alternating EM fields through such experiments.

    I’m not sure about the logic of using titanium, but the design allows virtually any ‘fuel’ mix to be tried, with any desired waveform applied to the coils – a very useful, re-usable ‘test bed’ reactor. Sealed capsules made of ‘austenitic’ (high nickel/chromium) stainless steel or non-magnetic tungsten alloy (tungsten/copper/nickel) could be used to allow H2 pressure from hydrides to build up inside them.

    I hope to see many others trying this approach.

  • oceans

    if you go to their website you can see pictures of this project and other interesting projects..
    http://tet.in.ua/index.php/en/andrea-rossi-reactor-e-catt/photos

  • Axil Axil

    http://www.pnnl.gov/science/highlights/highlight.asp?id=803

    Did you know that zirconia is isoelectically the same as palladium. Zirconia can replace palladium because of its electron structure. Add 16 protons to the zirconium count and you get to palladium. This Is. another reason why zirconia is good for LENR.

  • pelgrim108

    Some say nitrogen kills LENR. I dont know about argon.