Rossi: Leonardo and Licensees Preparing for ‘Massive Attack’ in the Marketplace

Andrea Rossi made an interesting comment today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics in connection with a question about whether E-Cat products would be available in the marketplace ‘massively’ if the current test on the 1MW plant is a success. Here was his response:

Andrea Rossi
July 29th, 2015 at 8:37 PM
Jack Witter:
Yes, if the results will be positive we will start a strong production. We are already organizing it. Obviously we need solid and sure results from the tests on course on the 1 MW plant. I sympathize with all the people that is waiting for the E-Cat for sale and I am deeply grateful to them, but I’m sure they are smart and understand that we can put for sale this product massively at two conditions:
1- we must be 100% sure of the success
2- we must be able to propose the E-Cat at a price that will make reverse engineering from our competitors useless. I am not decoubertinian and I am not oriented to give graciously to my competitors our technology for free, after dedicating my life to it, without saving a drop of blood.
When we will be ready, we will attack massively. Now we are not ready. A premature attack could be devastating for Leonardo Corporation and its Licensees in all the world and for the present and future investors, necessary to generate a real worldwide expansion. To obtain it the conservation of the Intellectual property is foundamental.The pressure we are getting to act prematurely comes mainly from our competitors, sometime disguised as “friends”.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

We know by now Rossi’s philosophy about intellectual property — he’s not giving it away. And it looks like the timing depends on the successful performance of the 1 MW plant. When he talks about being 100% sure of success, I think he means that they have to be certain that the products put into the marketplace will operate as advertised. Otherwise, he is right — it would be devastating of after a period of operation, even if it was months, the plants started to malfunction and they had to do major damage control. So one year of successful running seems to make sense there.

When it comes to ‘attacking massively’ I asked some follow up questions to get a better idea of what he meant. Here they are with his responses:

1. When you talk about a ‘massive attack’, does this mean making E-Cats available around the world all at once? 1- yes

2. Does the ‘massive attack’ involved first Industrial E-Cats (before domestic is available), or both at once? 2- we’ll start with industrial that already are certified

3. Will the ‘massive attack’ begin soon after the current test is completed (if positive)? 3- yes

So the plan seems to be to launch all-out production of low temperature industrial heating units around the world quite soon after the 1MW plant is deemed to operate satisfactorily. As we’ve mentioned here before the market for such plants is vast, especially when you take into account heating and cooling needs (via absorption refrigeration).

It’s interesting to see again Rossi talk about Leonardo Corp. and its Licensees — rather than just Industrial Heat. It appears that Rossi himself wants to be in the drivers seat when this ‘massive’ commercial launch gets underway.

  • GreenWin

    This “attack” is on the leased heat market or sale of 1MW units? Or both?

    • Frank Acland

      Today on the JONP Rossi said ‘both’

  • BillH

    This will all need a massive amount of money, a lot more than IH’s $20M investment. I estimate that they could produce little more than 4 Industrial 1MW units between now and the end of next year. Don’t hold your breath.

    • Brent Buckner

      “Cherokee Funds made its first brownfield investment in 1990 and has
      since raised five private equity funds focused on brownfield
      remediation: $50 million in 1996, $250 million in 1999, $620 million in
      2003, $200 million in 2005 and $1.24 billion in 2006.” (from http://sovereignscapital.com/project/tom-darden/ )

      I think Darden will be able to access whatever amount of capital IH’s business plan requires for 2016.

  • I wonder if I can bequeath my order for an E-cat?

    • Charles

      Go to it. Let your Executor and the courts work it out after your demise. I hope the evaluation is not $0.00.

    • Mytakeis

      pretty funny, when joking around.

  • I wonder if I can bequeath my order for an E-cat?

    • Charles

      Go to it. Let your Executor and the courts work it out after your demise. I hope the evaluation is not $0.00.

    • HS61AF91

      pretty funny, when joking around.

  • radvar

    Questions:

    – Is Industrial Heat a “licensee”? Maybe, in some interpretation.

    – Is Leonardo Corporation the distribution front of Industrial Heat? Maybe, because it has the licensee network already signed up.

    – Has industrial product engineering become so commoditized that IH/LC could get that done with relatively low levels of time involvement from core IH/LC subject matter experts (e.g. Rossi)? Considering (for example) East Asian manufacturing I would not be surprised if the answer is yes.

    – Could IH/LC attain highly optimized product engineering through outsourcing? Why not?

    Designs + contracts + money = worldwide distribution? Ask Apple, I guess.

    • ecatworld

      1. Yes, I think IH is a Licensee. They have said publicly they have acquired ‘some rights’ to E-Cat technology.

      2. I don’t think so. Rossi is the CEO of Leonardo Corp, and I think Leonardo owns the IP.

      3 & 4. Rossi has said that outsourcing channels have been set up in different parts of the world, including the outsourcing of the E-Cats themselves. I doubt IH or Leonardo will be doing much in the way of manufacturing.

      Apple might be a good model to look at.

      All the above to the best of my understanding.

      • radvar

        My 2nd question could have been more clear.

        Is Leonardo Corp, through its existing licensee network, effectively the distribution front of IH, in the sense that the distribution (marketing, sales, order fulfillment) will be managed through Leonardo (which has the brand, service marks and salient reputation), in some way passing revenue to IH to compensate IH for its investment in LC? OR, will LC perform distribution, and IH ALSO perform distribution? OR something else.

  • LookMoo

    Rossi have several time before predicted exponential growth of production, still only 1 test unit known. It is realistic to think that some customers choose eCat 1MW container when they re-invest or upgrade their plant.. lets say 10-20 years time-frame to 40-50% market penetration.

    If they can get a domestic eCat producing 220 Volt that would be market killer in developing countries.

  • Bob

    What??? 🙁
    Someone should contact Aldo Proia at Prometeon SRL. They were a very legit group that was to be a major European Licensee. Not too long ago, he posted a seemingly frustrated response about the status of “Licensee’s”! Their webpage is currently down. I am at a loss as to who these licensed resellers mentioned in this thread are. Back when Prometeon was involved, I did a cursory web search and was fairly impressed with Mr. Prioa and the group. Also, they have presented themselves very professionally over time. Even when there license was yanked. I wonder what they have to say about this new revelation.
    I would have hoped Rossi would have left the business end to Darden and IH. They know what they are doing. Past associations with Leonardo Corp on the business side have resulted in very strained relationships at best, if not total disaster for all those involved.
    I am a supporter of Rossi and hope him the best. I hope the eCat is everything it is being painted as. I hope Rossi makes millions and millions because that means the technology is real and it could very well solve much energy and pollution problems. He deserves the credit and the rewards.
    However, we have heard of mass “robotized factory” production before. Several years ago!
    Rossi may be a great inventor. I do not think he is very good at business. When it appeared Darden / IH might have been taking over the business dealings, I was very encouraged.
    This truthfully causes me much more concern than the any of the “negative or positive” result statements.

    • Charles

      Come, come, Bob. It’s now IH, not just Rossi. Rossi is still wrestling somewhat with the English.

  • Charles

    From the English Language Japan Times, July 31, 2015, edition (yes it is already July 31 in Japan even though it is only 4:00 PM, July 30, 2015 here in VA):
    “Shell to sell Japan refiner stake for ¥169 billion to Idemitsu

    Royal Dutch Shell also announced it plans to cut 6,500 jobs
    this year and reduce capital investment by $7 billion as it prepares for
    a “prolonged downturn.”

    “prolonged downturn” suggests that Shell sees the LENR hand writing on the wall. Yes?

    • GreenWin

      IMO, absolutely yes. And now they’re being quite public about it.

    • Warthog

      Since Shell was doing (apparently successful) in LENR many, many years ago, I suspect they know a great deal about it. When I worked for “ye gigantic chemical corporation” the ongoing research was inevitably years ahead of what the researchers were allowed to publish. The academicians tend to look down on “company” researchers. They don’t have a clue as to what the “state of the art” really is.

    • Buck

      More details and confirmation from the BBC

      Link>> http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33714317

    • Eyedoc

      But what about Shell’s purchase of BG in April. Doesn’t fit the LENR picture there.big

      • Buck

        BG appears to be focused primarily on Gas.

        In the spectrum of fossil fuels, I think most if not all would point to Gas as being the cleanest in terms of air polution. And ignoring fracking for Gas, could be considered the least toxic of Coal, Oil, and Gas.

        Just a thought.

    • Omega Z

      Charles
      There are multiple economic situations at play here. China’s economy is stagnating. If the Iran deal is approved a couple million more barrels will hit the market. U.S. Oil production is still increasing.

      AND, Several independent Oil wells are just waiting in the wings for prices to increase. Their done drilled, just need fracking & 1 Million more barrels could be on the market within 1 month. Low Oil prices could be around for several years.

      Current prices are low because of a 2% daily over production. Imagine if that jumped to 10%. You have a 90 million barrel a day market with the capacity to provide 100 million in a short period of time.

  • Charles

    From the English Language Japan Times, July 31, 2015, edition (yes it is already July 31 in Japan even though it is only 4:00 PM, July 30, 2015 here in VA):
    “Shell to sell Japan refiner stake for ¥169 billion to Idemitsu: Royal Dutch Shell also announced it plans to cut 6,500 jobs this year and reduce capital investment by $7 billion as it prepares for
    a “prolonged downturn.”

    “prolonged downturn” suggests that Shell sees the LENR hand writing on the wall. Yes?

    • GreenWin

      IMO, absolutely yes. And now they’re being quite public about it.

    • Warthog

      Since Shell was doing (apparently successful) in LENR many, many years ago, I suspect they know a great deal about it. When I worked for “ye gigantic chemical corporation” the ongoing research was inevitably years ahead of what the researchers were allowed to publish. The academicians tend to look down on “company” researchers. They don’t have a clue as to what the “state of the art” really is.

    • Buck

      More details and further confirmation from the BBC

      Link>> http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33714317

    • Eyedoc

      But what about Shell’s purchase of BG in April. Doesn’t fit the LENR picture there.big

      • Buck

        BG appears to be focused primarily on Gas.

        In the spectrum of fossil fuels, I think most if not all would point to Gas as being the cleanest in terms of air polution. And ignoring fracking for Gas, could be considered the least toxic of Coal, Oil, and Gas.

        Just a thought.

    • Omega Z

      Charles
      There are multiple economic situations at play here. China’s economy is stagnating. If the Iran deal is approved a couple million more barrels will hit the market. U.S. Oil production is still increasing.

      AND, Several independent Oil wells are just waiting in the wings for prices to increase. Their done drilled, just need fracking & 1 Million more barrels could be on the market within 1 month. Low Oil prices could be around for several years.

      Current prices are low because of a 2% daily over production. Imagine if that jumped to 10%. You have a 90 million barrel a day market with the capacity to provide 100 million in a short period of time.

      • f sedei

        Time to keep an eye on government induced inflation and tax increases.

        • Omega Z

          In the U.S., It has already begun under the guise of increasing the minimum wage.This subject is a political football. It only comes up at election time.
          Fact. It should be adjusted. Then linked to the inflation rate. Moving on to the situation at hand.

          There is a push to double minimum wage. There are those making lite of the effects this would have. Economics are bottom up. The more things cost at the bottom, A 20 cent increase in the cost of beef on the hoof will cost the consumer about $2 more.

          Minimum wage is the bottom. Doubling it will at least double everything up not including job losses. Note teachers start at less then the proposed minimum. This will lead to increases from that point to the top tier. This gives politicians cause to raise taxes. There are 10’s of millions of Jobs that would require substantial pay increases to compensate for the imbalance. Prices will rise accordingly to compensate.

          Imagine a Government closing in on 20 Trillion$ in debt. Debt that would be effectively halved by inflated dollars. Basically to be paid back at 50 cents on the Dollar. Inflation once ignited is hard to tame. Pay back could ultimately be 25%. The cure can be quite harsh to the people. So under the guise of helping the poor, it hurts them. I cringe every time the Government say we want to help you.

  • Daniel Maris

    Great. Let’s hear it repeated by Darden and co. at Industrial Heat.

  • When to update the patent, and how ?
    Just after the start of massive production. With enough details to be credible for the patent, but perhaps without marginal details which make a gap for the best efficiency.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Yes, Rossi must be well prepared because we all know by now that:

    http://www.renegade-mag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/revolution_televised.jpg

    • mcloki

      but it will be blogged

    • Brokeeper

      “Why did my electric rate drop to $.05/KW?”
      “Can anyone tell me what happened with gas prices falling below a dollar?”

      • LilyLover

        That pretty much separates, wo/men from bipeds.
        Consumerism chained bipeds and cognitive beings.

    • Steven Irizarry

      the cynic that is divorced from reality…kind of ironic

  • masterbotter

    What I would like to know is, will the plants require full time supervision at the point of global distribution? Is Rossi also planning the training of technicians to run the operations, and repair men to fix teething problems along the way? Enough men in the know globally to operate and fix the vast numbers systems my optimistic mind is imagining being produced? Or will all faulty plants require international shipping to be sent for repair?

  • BroKeeper

    (I think you meant 2016.)

  • Uncle Bob

    I can’t help thinking there has been a cooling in the relationship between IH and Mr. Rossi./ Leonardo Corp.

    At the start of 2014 Mr. Rossi was loudly proclaiming the magnificence of IH and their facilities, and how he only had to request a piece of equipment and it was there.
    We were given a very strong indication that IH had bought both the intellectual property and the licensing rights.

    See this article allegedly quoting IH representative.
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/industrial-heat-has-acquired-andrea-rossis-e-cat-technology-241853361.html
    and note where it says:-
    “Mr. Vaughn confirmed IH acquired the intellectual property and licensing rights to Rossi’s LENR device after an independent committee of European scientists conducted two multi-day tests at Rossi’s facilities in Italy.”

    Buying the “licensing rights” means the right to sell rights to other entities.

    At about that time, other licenses were being bought back as was reported here and confirmed elsewhere and this was supposedly due to IH now being the owner of the IP.

    I recollect that the whole future direction of the E-Cat was from that time on, dependent on the intent and instruction from IH, and that Mr Rossi was just the chief scientist for IH. That was referred to a number of times by Mr. Rossi.
    And yet now, Leonardo seem to be back in the picture and IH if mentioned at all, is more like just one more of the licensees.
    All very strange and not a good sign for the imminent release of any working products soon.

    • Bob

      Unfortunately, my concerns exactly.

      I am also confused about the reactors. There were posts about 30,000 components and also that it had to run 360 days. If a change over from 100 reactors to 4 happened, that surely would have taken considerable down time. Also would be considered a major design change. So when did this happen? Did the 360 day clock get reset at this point and now we are looking at mid 2016 for the secret customer test to be over?

      I shake my head in bewilderment.

      • Frank Acland

        According to Rossi’s comments, the current test with the four 250 kW reactors started on Feb 20th, so today would put us at day 161 of the test.

  • Gerard McEk

    If AR wants to attack the world with affordable Ecats, than his manufacturing facility must be in preparation and ready for millions of Ecats in 2016. I wonder where such a big facility is located.
    Until now he seems to be able to develop every half a year a new type of Ecat. That does not help if you have a automated facility, which will be prone to delays due to the constant improvements.

  • Gerard McEk

    If AR wants to attack the world with affordable Ecats, than his manufacturing facility must be in preparation and ready for millions of Ecats in 2016. I wonder where such a big facility is located.
    Until now he seems to be able to develop every half a year a new type of Ecat. That does not help if you have a automated facility, which will be prone to delays due to the constant improvements.

  • blanco69

    I sort of understood the reverse engineering not being worth it premise when we were confronted by a simple hot cylinder with few parts and control mechanisms. However, if Rossi is talking about a shipping container full of 50 odd ecats and 100 odd computers with loads of parts and controls being considered as a complete system, then there’s exponentially more scope for worth while reverse engineering. You’d need Apple-like resources to flood the market with these things only to find that someone’s come up with a better option within 6 months. Nope… not positive in my view.

    • f sedei

      It should not be too difficult for Rossi to prevent replication of the industrial E-Cats. But, those manufactured for home use will be another matter. How is it possible to prevent replication of the “magic sauce” distributed throughout the world?

  • blanco69

    I sort of understood the reverse engineering not being worth it premise when we were confronted by a simple hot cylinder with few parts and control mechanisms. However, if Rossi is talking about a shipping container full of 50 odd ecats and 100 odd computers with loads of parts and controls being considered as a complete system, then there’s exponentially more scope for worth while reverse engineering. You’d need Apple-like resources to flood the market with these things only to find that someone’s come up with a better option within 6 months. Nope… not positive in my view.

    • f sedei

      It should not be too difficult for Rossi to prevent replication of the industrial E-Cats. But, those manufactured for home use will be another matter. How is it possible to prevent replication of the “magic sauce” distributed throughout the world?

  • Paul Smith

    Rossi has confirmed today that the plant is composed with only 4 reactor, 250 kW/each.

    • oceans

      THIS is interesting news 4 Reactors are much easier to manage than 20 in one container.

    • ecatworld

      Right:

      Now at 08.30 a.m. of Thursday July 31st the 1 MW E-Cat is going stable, presently in ssm. Today at 03.12 a.m. we had a problem in one of the 4 reactors, I can’t disclose the nature of. It has been repaired in about 4 hours and at 07.12 the repaired reactor has been put again in operation. During the reparation the power of the plant has been reduced down to 750 kW.

  • Paul Smith

    Rossi has confirmed today that the plant is composed with only 4 reactor, 250 kW/each.

    • Frank Acland

      Right:

      Now at 08.30 a.m. of Thursday July 31st the 1 MW E-Cat is going stable, presently in ssm. Today at 03.12 a.m. we had a problem in one of the 4 reactors, I can’t disclose the nature of. It has been repaired in about 4 hours and at 07.12 the repaired reactor has been put again in operation. During the reparation the power of the plant has been reduced down to 750 kW.

      • BillH

        The 1MW container with the 100 reactors is clearly no longer in use, this might be getting expensive?

        • Uncle Bob

          I wonder if that means all that huge bank of controllers are no longer required. With only four reactors it should mean there are now only four controllers. That should make it so much cheaper and easier to control and maintain. All round, a good outcome.
          I wonder what has changed in the last year to make that possible?

  • Rossi must also run fast, because he runs against 2 competitors, Brillouin and BlackLightPower which do not need lithium.

    • bkrharold

      Brillouin appears to be the only major competitor at this point. Based on some statements made by Defkalion, they may have infringed on Rossi’s intellectual property rights, and could face legal challenges if they attempt to sell. After the last disappointing test, Blacklight power seems to be very far from having a practical working device that can be brought to the market in the near future.

      • “After the last disappointing test, Blacklight power seems to be very far from having a practical working device that can be brought to the market in the near future.”

        Do you have a link to the test? All of the tests I have seen on YouTube look like nothing to me, and are thus “disappointing.” Exactly which test are you talking about? It seems to me if you could produce energy by hitting water with high voltages, then whenever a lightning bolt hit the ocean it would start a chain reaction explosion. What about lightning hitting raindrops? I just find it difficult to believe.

        • Mark Underwood

          It can’t be plain water; it has to be water in a certain energy state such as found in a hydrate. Also, it’s the opposite of lightening; the voltage is on the order of merely 10 volts. It’s the current that is high, delivered in a very short pulse. As I recall, the voltage is just enough to dissociate hydrogen from water; the massive current is needed to push the hydrino reactions forward without the normal quenching that has plagued previous attempts to harness hydrino energy. The head turner is not only the massive detonation, but some soft x-rays. Having 10 volts produce soft x-rays is very, very odd. As commonly understood, plasma has to be in the order of a million of degrees to produce soft x-rays, such as in the sun’s corona. Yet the Suncell is not that hot; it has the spectrum temperature of the sun’s surface, about 5,500 degrees C. But Mills explains the soft x-rays as the predicted ‘continuum’ radiation given off from destabilized hydrogen as it drops to the hydrino state.

          • I heard his latest version of the machine just sprays water into the electrical charge and the machine now has “no moving parts.” How can that be a hydrate? All I ever saw in the tests was an expensive flash bulb type device. I didn’t see any signs of net energy gain.

          • Mark Underwood

            It’s just conjecture from the peanut gallery; Mills himself has said no such thing about spraying or just water. He only said that it had no moving parts. The hydrate has a two-fold purpose; it acts as a conductor for the high current, and it holds the water in a nascent state, relatively free of the van der waals forces. This apparently puts the water molecule at an energy level such that it is able to act as a catalyst for the hydrino reaction to proceed. So water is both the source of fuel – the hydrogen – and the catalyst.

            What you saw were pops and flashes of light in a large transparent see-through container. You’re right, no sign of energy gain or overunity. But then it was not meant to be that. Its purpose was to show that water can be detonated with very low voltage, and that it gives off light with a similar spectrum to that of the sun. Although the reaction is said to be highly exothermic, translating this into a practical energy producing device is another matter entirely and will take a lot of engineering.

        • bkrharold

          I was referring to the most recent tests that were reported in ECW. It is a little while ago. But my recollection is the same as yours. The apparatus produced a series of electrical sparks, which they claim contained more energy than was input. Even if it was over unity as they claim, it is difficult to see how this could be put to practical use.I know that Randell Mills has been developing his technology for quite some time, and he has his devoted followers, I doubt we will see a practical working device from him anytime soon.

      • telessar

        What intellectual property rights are you referring to? I saw that Rossi was granted a patent in Italy, but I was not aware that he had any other (infringable) IP.

        • Probably DGT infringed nothing.
          From info i gathered they probably believed they have something (at least the boss) until someone realised it was an artifact and continued claiming success to be funded.

          My bet is that in that affair there is many victims, first Xanthoulis, then Luca Gamberale…

          If DGT finally have something real, it will raise even more ethical questions…

          I think people analysing what happened in details can guess who fooled who. (PS: Rossi not involved)

          Note to franck: please don’t make it a news… I speculate and you have all data.

        • bkrharold

          This was during the time that Rossi and Defkalion were supposedly working together. Somebody at Defkalion made a statement that they had clandestinely inspected the test ecat unit and discovered Rossi secret. Rossi was not amused and threatened legal action if they abused their agreement. Things rapidly unraveled and the partnership was dissolved.

  • http://www.scribd.com/doc/272993947/Summary-of-Visit-to-Defkalion#download

    So where is Defkalion now? Do they even exist? I cannot imagine that they would go out of business without first selling off their unique technology to some other company. Their technology has value and there would be allot of eager buyers, Toyota for one. Are they still secretly operating in Vancouver? Does anyone know anything about them?

  • bkrharold

    Brillouin appears to be the only major competitor at this point. Based on some statements made by Defkalion, they may have infringed on Rossi’s intellectual property rights, and could face legal challenges if they attempt to sell. After the last disappointing test, Blacklight power seems to be very far from having a practical working device that can be brought to the market in the near future.

    • “After the last disappointing test, Blacklight power seems to be very far from having a practical working device that can be brought to the market in the near future.”

      Do you have a link to the test? All of the tests I have seen on YouTube look like nothing to me, and are thus “disappointing.” Exactly which test are you talking about? It seems to me if you could produce energy by hitting water with high voltages, then whenever a lightning bolt hit the ocean it would start a chain reaction explosion. What about lightning hitting raindrops? I just find it difficult to believe.

      • bkrharold

        I was referring to the most recent tests that were reported in ECW. It is a little while ago. But my recollection is the same as yours. The apparatus produced a series of electrical sparks, which they claim contained more energy than was input. Even if it was over unity as they claim, it is difficult to see how this could be put to practical use.I know that Randell Mills has been developing his technology for quite some time, and he has his devoted followers, I doubt we will see a practical working device from him anytime soon.

    • telessar

      What intellectual property rights are you referring to? I saw that Rossi was granted a patent in Italy, but I was not aware that he had any other (infringable) IP.

      • Probably DGT infringed nothing.
        From info i gathered they probably believed they have something (at least the boss) until someone realised it was an artifact and continued claiming success to be funded.

        My bet is that in that affair there is many victims, first Xanthoulis, then Luca Gamberale…

        If DGT finally have something real, it will raise even more ethical questions…

        I think people analysing what happened in details can guess who fooled who. (PS: Rossi not involved)

        Note to franck: please don’t make it a news… I speculate and you have all data.

      • bkrharold

        This was during the time that Rossi and Defkalion were supposedly working together. Somebody at Defkalion made a statement that they had clandestinely inspected the test ecat unit and discovered Rossi secret. Rossi was not amused and threatened legal action if they abused their agreement. Things rapidly unraveled and the partnership was dissolved.

  • deleo77

    I find it interesting that the creator of ecatnews has wriiten a quick letter to posters on that site suggesting that the e-cat story is over and pushing the people on that site to move on. He said he has considered shutting the site down, but is still reluctant to do so. Some posters on there disagree that the story has run its course saying that Rossi regularly comments about the on-going test he is in the middle of.

  • ex Defkalion, now Prometheon claims an effect on oil price in march 2015 : Some new effects of LENR events on oil prices?
    http://www.ecat-thenewfire.com/blog/possible-effects-lenr-on-oil-prices/

    • Christos Stremmenos is not Defkalion. He is an old friend of Rossi who split from Defkalion early on even before the official Rossi-Defkalion breakup. Christos still owns Defkalion stock, I believe/suspect, but has had nothing to do with the company for a long time. The real players at Defkalion are MIA.

  • Steven Irizarry

    Defkalion?

  • MLTC

    Sounds promising! 🙂

  • Omega Z

    In the U.S., It has already begun under the guise of increasing the minimum wage.This subject is a political football. It only comes up at election time.
    Fact. It should be adjusted. Then linked to the inflation rate. Moving on to the situation at hand.

    There is a push to double minimum wage. There are those making lite of the effects this would have. Economics are bottom up. The more things cost at the bottom, A 20 cent increase in the cost of beef on the hoof will cost the consumer about $2 more.

    Minimum wage is the bottom. Doubling it will at least double everything up not including job losses. Note teachers start at less then the proposed minimum. This will lead to increases from that point to the top tier. This gives politicians cause to raise taxes. There are 10’s of millions of Jobs that would require substantial pay increases to compensate for the imbalance. Prices will rise accordingly to compensate.

    Imagine a Government closing in on 20 Trillion$ in debt. Debt that would be effectively halved by inflated dollars. Basically to be paid back at 50 cents on the Dollar. Inflation once ignited is hard to tame. Pay back could ultimately be 25%. The cure can be quite harsh to the people. So under the guise of helping the poor, it hurts them. I cringe every time the Government say we want to help you.

  • Bob

    Unfortunately, my concerns exactly.

    I am also confused about the reactors. There were posts about 30,000 components and also that it had to run 360 days. If a change over from 100 reactors to 4 happened, that surely would have taken considerable down time. Also would be considered a major design change. So when did this happen? Did the 360 day clock get reset at this point and now we are looking at mid 2016 for the secret customer test to be over?

    I shake my head in bewilderment.

    • ecatworld

      According to Rossi’s comments, the current test with the four 250 kW reactors started on Feb 20th, so today would put us at day 161 of the test.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    For many months Rossi played up Industrial Heat and hardly mentioned Leonardo.
    In the last few days he seems to have reversed that priority and now he
    claims that Leonardo owns the intellectual rights to e-CAT. It was
    my understanding that Leonardo sold its rights to IH.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    For many months Rossi played up Industrial Heat and hardly mentioned Leonardo.
    In the last few days he seems to have reversed that priority and now he
    claims that Leonardo owns the intellectual rights to e-CAT. It was
    my understanding that Leonardo sold its rights to IH.