What Exactly Is Rossi’s “Mme Curie” Reactor — A Direct Source of Electricity?

Ever since Andrea Rossi announced a breakthrough with a new version of the Hot Cat yesterday, there have been quite a number of questions put to him on the Journal of Nuclear Physics about just what it is, and what it does. So far we are getting a somewhat unclear picture, but there are some clues that can be gleaned from some of Rossi’s comments. Here are some examples form over the last 24 hours (August 9-10, 2015)

Q: Is it correct to now make a distinction between the ‘traditional’ Hot Cat and the “M.me Curie”?

The ‘traditional’ Hot Cat could be useful for industrial application, including driving steam turbines?

The “M.me Curie”, something new, different, not industrial?

A: Yes, it is correct.

Q: Are you saying that the new Hot-Cat is NOT suitable for generating electricity via steam turbines or that it is suitable for electricity generation via turbines?

A: While the Hot cat and the LT E-Cat will be destined to industrial applications, the “M.me Curie” will be destined to a completely different kind of utilization, very much popular.

Q: is your hope that the new Hot Cat will eventually be able to:

a) Provide electricity for domestic use
b) Provide heat for domestic use
c) Both

A: It is too soon to answer, let us make our R&D on it. While LT E-Cat and Hot Cat have been tested for years, the new born is just making the first steps. This time, when we will explain it, there will not pass much time before the distribution. No more mambojumbo-tango.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Q: I have the acute feeling that you are technically ready with the 1Mw plant, being your efforts dedicated to tune the direct electricity E-Cat generator.

A: You are not wrong, but I must repeat my mantric disclaimer: the final results could be positive, but also negative. About the direct production, I have news related to the new Hot Cat, named “M.me Curie”.
I am working with it, it is a real revolution. Is important. Works very strongly and I am very optimist. Now we must test its duration. The performance is very interesting. I want to be clear: it is too soon to give data, it could have problems, but what I am seeing now is very, very, very good. It could be the leader for the very massive production. We will go directly from our tests to the market. If what I am seeing now goes on, in October will be tried the safety certification. I am like a coach of tennis that looks at a kid 4 years old playing and says: ” this is the future Federer”. Big , big hope

Q: Did you change the reactant mix from the last run to optimize direct electric production?

A: Yes.

Rossi seems very excited about the Mme. Curie reactor, and he’s put out some decent hints here. When he says it will be “completely different” and “very much popular”, I think that points towards it NOT being just a heater (which is what all E-Cats have been so far), but something that produces electricity directly. That really would be the killer app for the E-Cat, especially if electricity could be generated in one’s home, off-grid.

As exciting as this all sounds, I think we will have to be patient with this. Rossi has talked about getting it into certification testing by October, but certification for domestic E-Cats has taken years so far, and we don’t see anything on the market yet for domestic use. I would anticipate that if this is a brand new technology quite a lot of safety testing would be needed to ensure that this product would be safe to be used in homes.

  • Please post a link to the type of device that would be used for direct electricity production. I assume it would be some type of coil. Is that correct?

    • ecatworld

      You may be right, Christopher. But I don’t really know, which makes it hard to link to something.

      • Nigel Appleton

        I’d be looking at free-piston stirling engines with linear alternators; or thermoacoustic devices, again with linear alternators; or (for the future) rectenna arrays tuned to the outputs of the Marvellous Machine
        The first two seem about ready for commerce. The last, not yet

  • Paul

    If M.me Curie is a gas-fired device, there are good chances that will be used to produce electricity for residential applications in a direct way.

  • Axil Axil

    Rossi gets his high COP by using the SSM mode. Does “Mme Curie” use SSM. Is “Mme Curie” self powered, that is, does the rap around power produced by the Cats power the Mouse directly? Once started up, is this reactor independent from external power? Self powering is always a good show for a demo.

  • greggoble

    With all those heavy electrons and dense electron clouds floating around in the nuclear active environment of LENR a harnessed flow of electrical current seems the logical next step. Seldon Technologies is pursuing this as well as is Liviu Popa Simil, each with carbon nano-tube LENR technology… glad to see Rossi is onto this too, using a different though similar approach…

    COLD FUSION NASA LENR PART THREE SPACEBOUND AND EARTHBOUND TRANSPORTATION
    http://coldfusionnow.org/nasa-cold-fusion-lenr-part-three-spacebound-and-earthbound-transportation/

    NASA states that the science and engineering encompassing cold fusion LENR is “not a narrow band set of physical phenomena”and that “devices are being engineered in real time”. (link)

    With 3-D printing and nano engineering being utilized to create the lattice; we will see many unique devices entering the marketplace, both thermal and electrical (hardy, robust, and scalable), for every imaginable application.

    One might posit that two categories of ‘cold fusion’ devices will gain hold in their respective markets:

    LENR/Thermal – heat without a carbon footprint

    LENR/Electric – electricity without a generator

    SELDON TECHNOLOGIES, NASA, AND LENR
    http://coldfusionnow.org/seldon-technologies-nasa-and-lenr/

    “The present disclosure combines the unique properties of nanotubes and in one embodiment carbon nanotubes, in a novel manifestation designed to meet current and future energy needs in an environmentally friendly way. Devices powered with nanotube based nuclear power systems may substantially change the current state of power distribution.” –Retired U.S. Rear Admiral Craig E. Steidle ofSeldon Technologies on cold fusion nanotube-based nuclear power systems.

    LIVIU POPA SIMIL – LENR – NUCLEAR BATTERY ROADMAP
    http://coldfusionnow.org/liviu-popa-simil-lenr-nuclear-battery-roadmap/

    “Method and Device for Direct Nuclear Energy Conversion in Electricity in Fusion and Transmutation Processes”

    ABSTRACT

    “A method and device to generate electric energy on demand by fusion or transmutation nuclear reactions produced inside a super-capacitor that uses inter-atomic field’s particularities obtained inside nano-structures, by using temperature, density and electric fields in order to modify nuclear entanglement and quantum non-localities particularities in order to control nuclear reaction rate of an inserted material, called nuclear fuel, facilitated by the nano-structure nuclear composition, called burner, that controls the non-local nuclear reaction.

    Fusion or transmutation generated nuclear particles’ energy is converted using a super-capacitor made of a micro-nano-hetero structure meta-material that loads from the nuclear energy and discharges by electric current.

    • greggoble

      This patent is for an “LENR Electric” device.

      “Modulated quantum neutron fusion”

      WO 2005017916 A2 – Assignees – Matthew William Gray, William Thomas Gray
      Publication date: Feb 24, 2005 – Priority date: Jul 26, 2003
      https://www.google.com/patents/WO2005017916A2

      Claim 1: What we claim as our invention is the aforementioned process of exciting hydrogen atom valence electrons to a quantum state by radio frequency, light energy, or other synthetic means, that results in artificial production of neutrons.

      Claim 2: What we claim as our invention is the aforementioned process of modulating the production of neutrons by the method in Claim 1 so as to synchronize their quantity and half-life decays to precipitate a nuclear fusion reaction of neutrons into Helium.

      Claim 3: What we claim as our invention is the aforementioned process of aligning the field oscillation phases of particles in order to precipitate nuclear binding in fusion reactions.

      Claim 4: What we claim as our invention is the aforementioned method of converting the magnetic energy from the Modulated Quantum Neutron Fusion process directly into electricity.

      Claim 5: What we claim as our invention is the aforementioned application of using the neutrons produced by the method in Claim 1 to synthesize elements.

      Claim 6: What we claim as our invention is the aforementioned application of using the neutrons produced by the method in Claim 1 to decontaminate hazardous radioactive materials and substances SO’ as to render them non-radioactive.

      BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION

      0012 The Modulated Pulse Sine Flow Rate Modulator monitors the ratio of helium produced to reactant neutrons and generates control pulses to the Quantum Exciter to regulate frequency and quantity of neutrons produced so that the half-life decay reaction produces helium, and thus a changing magnetic field, according to the desired sine wave frequency. The Electromagnetic Compression Chamber uses Electric Field Separator principles to compress the neutrons to less than 1.4xl0~15m separation and align their phases to increase the decay rate and cause constructive interference of their fields resulting in particle fusion. The Transformer uses the collapsing magneton field energy to generate electricity.

      • GreenWin

        This last 0012 is fascinating, if hard to visualize without benefit of virtual particles to mitigate Claim 1 – “artificial production of neutrons.” The 1H electron must accept some virtual energy to merge with the proton creating an artificial neutron.

        Thank you you Greg for these enlightening links and view into the actual LENR program.

      • Mats002

        Thanks, very interesting – what state is this patent in? Is it approved or rejected? Can it be on hold since 2005 and still be in play?

    • Warthog

      “With 3-D printing and nano engineering being utilized to create the
      lattice; we will see many unique devices entering the marketplace, both
      thermal and electrical (hardy, robust, and scalable), for every
      imaginable application.”

      I made precisely this point in a different thread about the possible “ultra-scalability” of LENR, including “LENR on a chip” using such an approach, although I was thinking more along the lines of stereolithography rather than 3D printing.

      • greggoble

        You are ‘spot on the mark’, the “ultra-scalability” of LENR, including “LENR on a chip”… thanks for your insight.

        In the process of stereolithography, is jet printing one form or method utilized?

        Anyways, I’ve been reading all the abstracts and papers found at this site. Seems to me others in the field of LENR might enjoy them.

        Jet printing of graphene and of graphene with metallic doping is a hot subject, right up the LENR alley. These two industries will be strengthened through an early union. Many 3D printing processes are energy intensive… The 3D printers can create the LENR reactor… a blossoming symbiotic market.

        Industry Symposium

        “Digital Fabrication and Digital Printing NIP31, more than printing” September 27 – October 1, 2015 Portland, Oregon.

        Program http://www.imaging.org/ist/conferences/nip_df/NIP31_DF2015_PreliminaryProgram.pdf

        Sponsored by the Society for Imaging Science and Technology (IS&T) and the Imaging Society of Japan (ISJ)

        Early Registration Deadline: August 31, 2015
        Society for Imaging Sciences and Technology
        http://www.imaging.org/portland

        From page 13… “Inkjet Printing of Highly Conductive Graphene Based Composite Inks”, Mohammad Nazmul Karim, Shaila Afroj, and Stephen G. Yeates, University of Manchester (UK)

        From page 14… DIGITAL PRINTING TECHNOLOGIES TRACK INKJET-BASED PROCESSES CON’T. 10:10 – 11:10 AM, Tuesday September 29, 2015

        “Emerging Hybrid Ink Technology: Challenges of Implementation for Jetting and Print Process”, Mark Bale, SunChemical Ltd. (UK)

        “Droplet-on-Demand Printing of Polymer Solutions”, J. Frits Dijksman, University of Twente, and Paul C. Duinveld, Philips Consumer Lifestyle Technology Expert Group (the Netherlands)

        “Inkjet Printed P-type Semiconductors and Thin Film Transistors”, Chang-Ho Choi, Zhen Fang, Marshall Allen, and Chih-hung Chang, Oregon State University (USA), and Liang-Yu Lin and ChunCheng Cheng, AU Optronics Corporation (Taiwan)

        From page 15… DIGITAL FABRICATION AND 3D PRINTING TRACK 3D PRINTING AND ADDITIVE MANUFACTURING DAY 1 10:10 AM – 4:20 PM

        “Speed and Accuracy of High Speed Sintering”, Sami Giurani 1, Antonis Hadjiforados1, Adam Ellis1, Ingo Reinhold2, and Neil Hopkinson1; 1University of Sheffield (UK) and 2XaarJet AB (Sweden)

        • Warthog

          Stereolithography is a “subtractive” technique…3D printing is pretty much uniformly thought of as “additive”.

          In SL, the substrate (usually a silicon wafer) is selectively exposed to light through a photographic mask. Where the mask “shadow” falls, the silicon is not “sensitized”, where photons hit, it IS “sensitized”.

          The wafer is then immersed in a highly reactive chemical bath, the “sensitized” area is chemically attacked and removed. the unsensitized is not. After sufficient etching time to develop the necessary depth, the wafer is removed, and the etchant washed off.

          Due to long experience and much research, high accuracy and precision of both depth and shape can be attained.

          But many thanks for all the links. 3D printing is a subject of MUCH interest to me.

      • greggoble

        Industry Symposium

        “Digital Fabrication and Digital Printing NIP31, more than printing” September 27 – October 1, 2015 Portland, Oregon.

        Program http://www.imaging.org/ist/conferences/nip_df/NIP31_DF2015_PreliminaryProgram.pdf
        Sponsored by the Society for Imaging Science and Technology (IS&T) and the Imaging Society of Japan (ISJ)

        Early Registration Deadline: August 31, 2015
        Society for Imaging Sciences and Technology
        http://www.imaging.org/portland

        From page 13… “Inkjet Printing of Highly Conductive Graphene Based Composite Inks”, Mohammad Nazmul Karim, Shaila Afroj, and Stephen G. Yeates, University of Manchester (UK)

        From page 14… DIGITAL PRINTING TECHNOLOGIES TRACK INKJET-BASED PROCESSES CON’T. 10:10 – 11:10 AM, Tuesday September 29, 2015

        “Emerging Hybrid Ink Technology: Challenges of Implementation for Jetting and Print Process”, Mark Bale, SunChemical Ltd. (UK)

        “Droplet-on-Demand Printing of Polymer Solutions”, J. Frits Dijksman, University of Twente, and Paul C. Duinveld, Philips Consumer Lifestyle Technology Expert Group (the Netherlands)

        “Inkjet Printed P-type Semiconductors and Thin Film Transistors”, Chang-Ho Choi, Zhen Fang, Marshall Allen, and Chih-hung Chang, Oregon State University (USA), and Liang-Yu Lin and ChunCheng Cheng, AU Optronics Corporation (Taiwan)

        From page 15… DIGITAL FABRICATION AND 3D PRINTING TRACK 3D PRINTING AND ADDITIVE MANUFACTURING DAY 1 10:10 AM – 4:20 PM

        “Speed and Accuracy of High Speed Sintering”, Sami Giurani 1, Antonis Hadjiforados1, Adam Ellis1, Ingo Reinhold2, and Neil Hopkinson1; 1University of Sheffield (UK) and 2XaarJet AB (Sweden)

      • greggoble

        Liviu Popa Simil and ‘solid state LENR’ seems to be on a chip. The method for production and physics might be of interest to you.

        LIVIU POPA SIMIL – LENR – NUCLEAR BATTERY ROADMAP

        http://coldfusionnow.org/liviu-popa-simil-lenr-nuclear-battery-roadmap/