E-Cat X Light and Heat in Every House ‘Not Impossible’

I know this is more teasing, and I’m sure we won’t get specifics from Rossi at this point, but I find this exchange today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics quite interesting and telling regarding E-Cat X:

Richard Elstrom
August 13th, 2015 at 12:39 PM
Dr Andrea Rossi,
I have a dream: an E-Cat that makes light and heat in every house.
I dream this can happen before I pass on: I am 79 years old.
If there is one man in the world able to make true this dream, that man is you.
Godspeed,
Rick

Andrea Rossi
August 13th, 2015 at 2:18 PM
Richard Elstrom:
If we are lucky, your dream is not impossible.
The E-Cat X seems good. F9: dream or nightmare?
Warm Regards,
A.R.

This is another semi-confirmation that E-Cat X is dealing with electricity production in domestic products. I believe the E-Cat X has been running since Sunday morning now, and Rossi still says ‘it seems good’. Regarding the ‘dream or nightmare’ comment, I suppose that depends on who you ask. Certainly if an E-Cat that can meet domestic electricity and heating needs would turn the world on its head and upset the status quo tremendously. From a consumer’s point of view, who would not like to have utility bills slashed from a new source of electricity generation? But there would be economic, political and social consequences that could be very disruptive.

Still there’s so much we don’t know at this point, and this kind of comment is more stuff to feed our dreams or nightmares!

  • Rogers

    I’m reading this from Guatemala, although I often travel to places in Africa and Haiti. If this technology could be modularized adding drinking water treatment, sewerage processing, and smokeless cooking, it could prevent 80% of the illnesses that plague developing countries. Bring it on please. Or as Glenn Reynolds says: faster please.

    • i hope that the plans made in paris this december… if the 100 billion goal ( to be invested every year after 2020 into climate benefiting projects ) http://www.wri.org/blog/2015/06/how-can-world-secure-100-billion-climate-finance … could be reached by possible profits by huge efficiences … eventually an in depth calculation of all the medical costs coming from unhygienic water and polluted air … also looking at chinese cities … plus the damage from overgrazing, deforestation, poaching and many more factors … could also bring some motivation … besides the millions of lives of human beings what would be saved
      thinking further … the greening of deserted areas with over-efficient energy source … could allow to plant massive new forest areas what would eventually balance out some of the loss of the primary forests due to logging …

    • bachcole

      I hope that the increased prosperity will help encourage birth control, but if it reduces the death rate by 80%, they are going to have a problem. But, not to worry. The two best birth control measures are prosperity and education, both easily obtained with more money.

      • i am somehow confident that 100 billion human beings could live in abundancy on this planet… if dense cities with vertical farming and intelligent technology would be applied and in exchange for example humanity would free some half or more of the 40% landmass we are now occupying … for wildlife to prosper too and heal the wounds of deforestation and industrial agriculture …

        • Omega Z

          You can supplement certain foods from vertical farming, but it’s more expensive. There are also the staple crops that you can’t vertical farm. Well actually you could but the cost would be astronomical & very inefficient.

          • imagining high grades of automatisation, energy provided in abundancy at low prices, a city cooperating in the effort to green all inside living and working rooms ( libraries and gyms what are combined with indoor plant fields … ) with the goal to become most self-sustaining in providing food to its citizen … the question of cost would eventually be not of that importance but to achieve a human lifestyle what does not rob the planet of its ressources … and most of all, what would it be for an achievement for the ( industrial ) human community to reverse its tradition of exploiting

            the wildlife on the planet and start releasing its hold on the vast areas now occupied for grazing animals …

            potatoes are grown today with aeroponics on a regular basis, rice has been grown inside office buildings in tokyo … one could also think about wall mounted growing systems what could enrich appartements with good air and allowing people to enjoy seeing their food grow right beside their desk and bed …

      • Rogers

        Alas, the death rate will remain at 100% for everyone in the foreseeable future.
        Birthrates have been dropping globally for quite sometime.
        Most developing countries now have electricity in all but the most remote regions. However, it is not reliable, and it is expensive. With LENR in place, productivity should increase dramatically.

  • hempenearth

    Why the possible nightmare? Does the X stand for X rays? Has radiation been measured? Will E-Cat X spell doom for all E-Cats?

    Sorry, too much sugar this morning, and depressed about performance of football team.

    • ABC

      Why the possible nightmare?

      If its not working as intended. You know: F9!

  • GreenWin

    Perhaps a non-ionizing version of G Miley’s plasma generator could be of help: http://www.google.com/patents/US5352954

  • GreenWin

    Perhaps a non-ionizing version of G Miley’s plasma generator could be of help: http://www.google.com/patents/US5352954

  • Chris Marshalk

    I’ll believe it when something comes to market. Words might carry weight but an actual working devise is what I want to see. Bring it to market, I have money to burn.

    • Omega Z

      If you have money to burn, then you don’t need an E-cat for heat. 🙂

  • Chris Marshalk

    I’ll believe it when something comes to market. Words might carry weight but an actual working devise is what I want to see. Bring it to market, I have money to burn.

    • Omega Z

      If you have money to burn, then you don’t need an E-cat for heat. 🙂

  • Nigel Appleton

    It seems that AR has a proper concern for the potentially highly disruptive consequences of widely available LENR. Has anyone a clue how these could be managed?

  • Nigel Appleton

    It seems that AR has a proper concern for the potentially highly disruptive consequences of widely available LENR. Has anyone a clue how these could be managed?

  • Another device, another fork in the road. Rossi’s Edisonian pursuit of cold fusion is admirable, and he seems to be making steady progress — albeit down one tiny, winding avenue among all the near-infinite possibilities. But where are all the others in this?

    At the very least, IH should have formed other teams to follow leads that Rossi doesn’t have the time or inclination to follow, and I can only pray that this is in fact the case. If not, then IMHO the technology is in entirely the wrong hands (assuming that IH is still a player). And what about Defkalion, Brillouin and other HT-LENR claimants who seem to have stagnated or ‘gone dark’, or the ‘dark horses’ we think (hope) may be hot on the trail of e-cat technology. Not a peep or hint anywhere that this is in fact the case, which may indicate that Rossi and associates may still be the sole holders of some serendipitously discovered secret that is essential to success.

    But imagine what could be happening right now, if the core principles had ‘escaped’ at some point, and that not one, but hundreds of thousands of intelligent, motivated researchers and experimenters around the world were working 24/7 to understand the new physics and to bring this technology to the marketplace in multiple forms.

    The rate of progress would be increased by several orders of magnitude, and all obstacles would be swept aside by an unstoppable deluge of daily developments, taking place in many countries simultaneously. No more frustrating, grinding progress and year-long tests, reported through teasing and anecdote, but tooth and nail competition forcing the world to change before our eyes, with the absolute certainty that the revolution could not be stopped or even slowed by ignorance and apathy, vested interests, the fearfulness of politicians, the self interested machinations of TPTB or even by human frailty.

    Like most others here (I suspect) I try to tell myself that Rossi and whoever he is working with know best, and that I just need to bear with the story until finally some device makes it into the public arena in a year or three, and the world slowly begins to change. I try not to be concerned that all eggs currently seem to be in one small basket, that there is no indication of any independent repository of Rossi’s research findings that is beyond the reach of hostile third parties, that there are no repeatable and clear replications of overunity (let alone kilowatt outputs) despite dozens of experiments, and that our only information comes from what Rossi chooses to drip feed us on a blog that could freeze or disappear at any time.

    But increasingly I find myself comparing the plodding and tenuous progress that is the best that one man and a small team can make, with what might have been (and might yet be, IF others discover Rossi’s secret). I even wonder whether another bright future is in the process of being stolen from us through the unavoidable constraints imposed by ‘commercial realism’ on a single business, which will inevitably result in limited application, failure to explore all possibilities, secrecy, IP wars, political opposition, suppression attempts and many other major (possibly terminal) brakes on the progress of a single enterprise.

    Sorry about the tediously long post, which is by way of being my ‘swan song’ here, at least for now: It’s of no consequence and probably of little interest, but I don’t intend to comment further on this blog about anything Rossi says on JONP, although I’ll quietly await any externally verifiable developments, or news from other sources, and will keep an eye on the ‘Always Open’ thread. All power to the ‘replicators’ – may someone succeed very soon, and ‘open source’ this world-changing technology for all to benefit from.

    • blanco69

      Totally concur with your sentiments Peter. Hope you hang around and have the inclination to drop in the occasional level headed, dare I say “scientific”, analysis of this situation in case excitement and enthusiasm overtakes some of the ecat faithful.

    • Very well said!
      Thank you…

    • Warthog

      “Hot Fusion” has been undertaken just as you suggested above with not a lot of progress (but with the spending of HUGE sums of money). Far more breakthroughs in technology have been made by “one man and /or small teams” than any other way.

      Always remember this statistic…..for every piece of work you actually hear about, there are at least ten that you will NOT hear about.

    • Alberonn

      Peter, you take the words right out of my mouth and much better and eloquently I ever could : really sorry to agree it’s gradually getting more and more depressing to see it develop into a “operettescal” farce… lets wait and hope for scientific backup to prove it is a broad-banded, non patentable phenomenon, open source replications and the best for this, our world… REALLY hope you stay around and inject some common sense every now and then….
      still hopefull IT will happen in the end…
      Albert Krook, the Netherlands

      • Omega Z

        Considering the investments that will be necessary to bring this to market, without a patent, it could take decades. While with a patent, it could start within a short time.

        Most people think patents are all about profit. Well, Regardless who manufactures these devices, They will make a profit or go broke & close the doors. First thing an Investor is concerned about is his initial investment. Is he going to get it back. Profits, tho very important are actually secondary. Tho without profit, Money will be invested elsewhere or it wont be invested at all.

        This isn’t software & a couple $1000 worth of equipment with some programing knowledge & entering some code. This is Brick & Mortar & literally 10’s of Billions of dollars in hard investments. There are Toxic materials involved. There are required tests & certifications that You have to pay for before you can manufacture anything for sale.

        Patents are just a window of opportunity to recoup your investment. 20 years at most & most patents are actually running before a product ever hits the market. If Rossi’s is granted on his original patent app, He has about 10 years.

        Software: If this product should cause damage to your system or results in a massive loss of data. We are not responsible. Use at Your Own Risk.

        Hardware: If My LENR Reactor should blow up & burn your house to the ground with everything in it, We are not responsible. Use at Your Own Risk.
        Do you think the latter will fly?

    • HS61AF91

      It is a little strange that Russia, India, and China have government-backed LENR research in progress, and we here in the USA, have Rossi- and a few academic-backed researchers working at it. Perhaps ‘national security’ is what’s holding up this country from funding publicly what the other major countries now fund. Anyway, everybody wins when Rossi wins the race.

      • bachcole

        You are assuming that “government-backed” is better. I do not have that assumption.

        • HS61AF91

          I assume nothing, I’m bringing this government involvement to the fore.

          • bachcole

            But I don’t really want government involvement. It doesn’t help our case at all.

      • there is Brillouin, supported through SRI, funded via DoD/NRL contracts.
        My feeling is that US is supporting Brillouin, not Darden (who is too chinese)

        • HS61AF91

          Interesting, did not realize that, so the DoD is also interested in furthering LENR, without recourse to Rossi’s lead. If Darden is too Chinese, then me too!

          • for Darden Chinese story
            http://www.icebank.cn/news/detail_2.php?id=113

            when I say DoD, it is on their budget and Navy NRL use the budget

          • HS61AF91

            Thanks for Darden chinese link. It was in Chinese, but google translate gave me an idea of what the cooperation is:

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      • Gareth J Hughes

        The oil billionaires are holding the planet to ransome. They controle what you read and hear. LENR has become some sort of religion. You learn by word of mouth. However the truth is just around the corner; but beware of dirty tricks!

    • Omega Z

      Peter

      From 1 of Rossi’s comments a while back about the 1 year pilot plant test.
      It had a very familiar ring to it(As in Very Crucial). Very similar to the 30 day test that determined whether Darden/IH took Rossi on board and provided funding. A Make or break point.

      I see 3 possibilities from the outcome of the pilot plant test.
      If Not positive-dependent on why?
      1. IH/Darden continue present level of funding. Another test at a latter date.
      2. IH/Darden continues funding but at a reduced level.. (My bet if negative)
      If Positive- A Game Changer
      3. It will open the door to Major players not financial involved as of yet that have been closely watching & probably in regular contact with Darden.

      It’s easy for us in the peanut gallery to see a 6 month run as positive.
      However, The Big players would demand a year at the very least. If there is to much intermittence in it’s operation, it wouldn’t be acceptable. It would still be R&D in their eyes & Not yet ready for prime time. Industry needs a product that is robust & highly dependable.

      There’s a reason I’ve felt there are some major players in the background that have been in contact or consultation with IH/Tom Darden from the beginning. Even if not yet financially involved.

      You, Me, Tom Darden even with his background would be focused on 1 thing at the very beginning. Steam, Turbines, Electricity.
      Ultimately Steam turbine generators.

      Yet, Out of the Blue at the very beginning of the partnership, Rossi brought up the discussion of Gas turbines & Jet engines on JONP.
      By Rossi own words in the past, this is beyond him & from Dardens history, His as well. This came from Outside Interests in the shadows.

      My Words, but, similar to statements on JONP by Rossi, We have many discussions with partners in progress of plans, However, depends on (F9).

  • GranFaloSentado

    What the heck does that “F9” mean?

    • artefact

      From Rossi yesterday:

      “Andrea Rossi
      August 13th, 2015 at 7:40 AM
      Peter Forsberg:
      Thank you for your question, probably shared by many Readers: F9 is born as a joke, eventually became a shortcut that stands for ” Disclaimer: the results of the tests on course could finally be either positive or negative”.
      A Reader of us, in a comment months ago, proposed, joking, to dial “F plus a number” to get the mantra of the disclaimer, and I complied saying: ” OK, from now on instead of that phrase we will just say F9.
      Thank you for your kind wishes. We are working strongly to get the success: F9.
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.”

    • mcloki

      I believe it’s short form for “be the results positive or negative” AR’s standard disclaimer after stating anything about the performance of the E-Cat.

  • Omega Z

    Considering the investments that will be necessary to bring this to market, without a patent, it could take decades. While with a patent, it could start within a short time.

    Most people think patents are all about profit. Well, Regardless who manufactures these devices, They will make a profit or go broke & close the doors. First thing an Investor is concerned about is his initial investment. Is he going to get it back. Profits, tho very important are actually secondary. Tho without profit, Money will be invested elsewhere or it wont be invested at all.

    This isn’t software & a couple $1000 worth of equipment with some programing knowledge & entering some code. This is Brick & Mortar & literally 10’s of Billions of dollars in hard investments. There are Toxic materials involved. There are required tests & certifications that You have to pay for before you can manufacture anything for sale.

    Patents are just a window of opportunity to recoup your investment. 20 years at most & most patents are actually running before a product ever hits the market. If Rossi’s is granted on his original patent app, He has about 10 years.

    Software: If this product should cause damage to your system or results in a massive loss of data. We are not responsible. Use at Your Own Risk.

    Hardware: If My LENR Reactor should blow up & burn your house to the ground with everything in it, We are not responsible. Use at Your Own Risk.
    Do you think the latter will fly?

    • Omega Z

      You can supplement certain foods from vertical farming, but it’s more expensive. There are also the staple crops that you can’t vertical farm. Well actually you could but the cost would be astronomical & very inefficient.