Another Potential Energy Breakthrough (Steorn’s Orbo) – Synergy or Siphon? (Greg Daigle)

The following post was submitted by Greg Daigle

This article asks the question: “If a similar ‘OU’ energy product is successfully introduced to the market before a LENR product is it likely to create synergy with, or detract from, any of Rossi’s Cats?”

E-Cat World has several times this year cited the ongoing efforts by Irish company Steorn to reintroduce their “Orbo” product. There was the release of a video in March showing a rotating armature that was said to self-sustain. In April there was the posting from Steorn’s CEO that they were demoing their “never-die battery” on the road. In May a limited field test held in Slattery’s Pub in Dublin was reported.

In review, Orbo has never been demoed in public without suffering significant valid criticism or outright failure. A scientific panel to evaluate the technology quit due to what they said was lack of sufficient data to do their analysis. Unlike LENR there are no publicly reported replications being conducted and Steorn currently posts no publicly available explanations about the physics behind the engineering. And despite Steorn’s claims that the power output is due to “asymmetric magnetism”, which Dr. Brian Ahern has suggested is an underlying mechanism for LENR, there is very little objective evidence available to the public on which to base the claims of Steorn.

In contrast to the public view of Orbo, members of the now defunct Steorn Knowledge Database (of which I was under an NDA for several years) were given extensive background information on Orbo including interactive e-learning courses on the physics behind the phenomenon, third-party engineering reports and engaged in discussions and postings in numbers in excess of these E-Cat discussion boards. Postings in the thousands by individuals was not at all uncommon. Steorn supplied a stream of documentation covering components, circuits designs, materials and captures from scopes. So to say that Steorn is likely fraudulent because of its lack of publicly providing substantive material on its technology would be like saying that Rossi is likely fraudulent for the same reasons. Rossi has his cadres of knowledgeable individuals and Steorn had its. Still, similar to LENR, Orbo is notably difficult to reproduce.

Nevertheless, Steorn is preparing another release of its technology – this time for wide distribution. Prototype case designs and packaging designs have been reported. When it is released do not expect to see another demo of the technology since Steorn has been down that road before. Steorn’s CEO has also discounted the release of peer reviewed research papers or independent testing results from professional labs. Do expect to see people making their own evaluations based upon their personal experiences with the technology.

Case Design (Source: Facebook)

Once in the hands of early adopters Orbo’s capabilities will either be firmly established and spread via word-of-mouth and viral marketing – or it will be dashed, probably for good. Release of the first generation device may occur before the results of Rossi’s factory results become available. Steorn’s CEO Shaun McCarthy has previously suggested that introduction of either the Orbo or his HephaHeat technology may occur this year.

If the first release of Orbo leaves adopters completely dissatisfied, end of story. However, if it is successful the Orbo could positively influence a more rapid and widespread adoption of the E-Cat. From the public’s point of view, if one “impossible” energy technology is in the hands of users and they confirm that it works to meet their needs, why not another impossible energy technology?

As we have seen from the Slattery’s trial, the Orbo is designed to charge mobile devices and targets consumer usage. The industrial version of the E-Cat has no known overlap with Orbo’s mobile market. However, as Rossi has opened the door recently to Hot Cats as domestic heaters in appliances – and Steorn’s HephaHeat inline heaters are an extension of Orbo technology – it seems likely a market overlap will exist between the two corporate entities. Currently E-Cat can generate much more energy than Orbo in the form of heat yet requires an initial independent source of energy to give it a “kickstart”. Orbo generates electrical power directly and requires no kickstart, though the output energy is much smaller.

My questions are these…

1. If the Orbo is introduced before the E-Cat factory report is released, and if Orbo is generally accepted as a successful product, will Orbo generate synergies which will favorably influence adoption of the E/Hot-Cats – or will it siphon away attention from Rossi’s technology and that of LENR?

2. Could such a diversion slow market adoption of the Cats?

3. What are the “pivot points” on which it could go either way?

Greg Daigle

UPDATE: This photo of packaging has just been posted on Facebook by Shaun McCarthy:

orbo packaging
Orbo Packaging? (Source: Facebook)
  • gdaigle

    I am not a fan of this version of the packaging. Too dark, solitary and evil looking for a product that will breathe life back into what for many is the only means of connecting with distant family, loved ones and the rest of the outside world.

  • ecatworld

    I’ve been following the fortunes of Steorn for nine years now, and I will continue to do so. Despite some of the very public failures and embarrassments the company has been through, I am still not ready to count them out. Over the years there have been enough clues from various sources to keep me interested, and I’ll continue to watch their progress.

    If the Orbo charger does get released on the market I’ll do my best to get my hands on one of the first devices, and put a 24 hour webcam on it and stream it live via this site, and we’ll see if it does what it’s supposed to.

    • Omega Z

      He he he…
      How will we know you don’t have a secret wire hidden. Or wireless energy transmission or hidden batteries or an overhead laser beam.

      Can we look & see if there’s a squirrel cage wheel & a couple squirrel’s inside. Are you willing to let the most renowned physicists check it out even if they refuse to do so. I don’t know Frank. It seems you have a lot of connections in the arena. How can we trust you.

      OK, Kidding- Just wondering if you ready for the onslaught of skeptics.
      Ohh wait. You run the ECW Blog.
      You’ve probably much experience with this already.

      • ecatworld

        Well, OZ, if a Steorn product hits the market, I’m sure I won’t be the only person putting an orbo through its paces. I’m sure they will go under plently of scrutiny by skeptics. I’ll be curious too.

        And I’m much too incompetent to rig up hidden wires, or any kind of such trickery!

        • Omega Z

          Just to be sure you’re aware, I was just teasing.

          I’m very aware you’ve taken a lot of heat for supporting Rossi. Much more on other websites. There are those who post that you only allow pro Rossi posts. I would hotly debate that. You merely don’t allow outright hostile or personal attacks.

          I’ve recognized some of the handles & tho they claim to have been banned, I think many left voluntarily due to being over matched by some here at ECW & looking foolish. There are some very sharp people here at ECW & I say that even tho I may not always agree with them.

          As to Steorn, I don’t really have an opinion pro or con. I would say the road to success is riddled with prior failures. I wait & see.

          I do believe due to the design that they have a high efficiency water heater should it eventually make it to market, Tho less efficient then on demand systems.

          Albert below gave a very good possible explanation about their Phone charging system. A crystal generator. An interesting Idea in itself that would have a possible niche market in the world.

          Also, If you obtained an Orbo & display it live, I would totally trust you. If any here had questions, I have no doubt you would go above & beyond to examine the issue & find an answer if at all possible..

          But You Have to Admit, The skeptics would get much enjoyment & have much fun at your expense.

          • ecatworld

            Hi OZ, yes I realized it was in jest.

            I really hope I can get an orbo, if they are ever released, and do some testing. I think it would be interesting. I hope it would be fun for the believers, curious, and skeptics alike. There would be nothing like having something concrete to play with after so much talk.

      • gdaigle

        The possibility of hiding wires, batteries, laser beams (??) is one of the reasons why all Steorn demos to date were good business for those who fabricate perspex (plexiglas) cases. Ultimately, it comes down to reputation. Academics and research labs with a reputation of creating valid and reliable tests and who have not fudged any data. Journalists with a reputation of accurate reporting and asking the right questions. End users with a reputation of not engaging in collusion nor taking payment to influence their opinions.

        At some point we accept the information we read about the world because it appears to have met some arbitrary test, which is different for each of us. Most accepted are those claims that are the outcomes of reliable studies, written by proficient researchers, and reported by trustworthy media journalists. The higher the reputation the more likely the outcome is to be believed swiftly.

        Reduce the reputation or remove any one of those above legs and you have most of the sensationalistic news that hits the Web about how to cure cancer, lose weight while sleeping or any of a number of “discoveries” that are either incorrect or reported inaccurately.

        Any one agent can get it wrong. Most major news outlets have at one time or another been duped to publish or broadcast stories about a way to create new sources of energy that turned out to be completely bogus. But if a dozen did their due diligence and reported the same… then you can reasonably think, “Hey, this might be the real deal.”

        • ecatworld

          I agree with everything you say here, Greg. Still, when it comes to technology that is considered ‘too-good-to-be-true’ (which is what we discuss here most of the time) the skeptical voice seems to win the day.
          Steorn tried for years to find novel ways of getting attention, which mostly backfired. I think they have decided to shut up now (probably a good idea) and let their technology speak for itself, if and when it is ever released.