Andrea Rossi Granted E-Cat Patent by US Patent Office

Thanks to Mcloki for sharing this very important news as far as the E-Cat is concerned (and all who emailed me).

Mats Lewan has posted on his Impossible Invention blog that Andrea Rossi has been granted a US Patent http://animpossibleinvention.com/2015/08/25/rossi-has-been-granted-us-patent-on-the-e-cat/

The patent was granted today, August 25 2015. A link to the full text his here:

https://animpossibleinvention.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/us9115913b1.pdf

More to follow.

This should be a very significant event in terms of replication of the “Rossi Effect”. There have been a number of efforts already by people who have studied Rossi’s statements, E-Cat test reports, and the work of other replciators like Alexander Parkhomov. Now we have some important new details that should help replicators — and I am sure new replicators will get in the game now.

One interesting excerpt from the patent that should be helpful:

“Variations in the ratio of reactants and catalyst tend to govern reaction rate, and are not critical. However, it has been found that a suitable mixture would include a starting mixture of 50% nickel, 20% lithium, and 30% LAH [lithium aluminum hydride]. Within this mixture, nickel acts as a catalyst for the reaction, and is not itself a reagent. While nickel is particularly useful because of its relative abundance, its function can also be carried out by other elements in column 10 of the periodic table, such as platinum or palladium.”

I asked Rossi on the JONP how they were able to turn things around after the patent had previously received a final rejection by the USPTO. He replied:

Andrea Rossi
August 25th, 2015 at 11:11 AM
Frank Acland:
Working, studying, discussing.
Thank you for your important congratulations. This is an achievement of all of us of the LENR family.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

 

There’s a brief Q&A with Andrea Rossi on the Ecat.com website here: http://ecat.com/news/e-cat-patent-granted-by-uspto

  • clovis ray

    yahoo, great day in heaven , what a historic day, congrats Dr. Rossi, along with your great team,

  • clovis ray

    yahoo, great day in heaven , what a historic day, congrats Dr. Rossi, along with your great team,

  • LilyLover

    Congratulations Patent Office.
    You saved yourself from being drafted into irrelevancy.
    You saved yourself from being branded as bad-immoral-agency.
    Congratulations!!

    • Warthog

      It will be interesting to see how the skeptopaths spin this information.

      • Joel

        They are called skeptopaths for a reason. It is a condition of the mind that cannot be reversed, no matter what.

        • LilyLover

          For example –

          They’ll say: Patents don’t matter. Look even apple got a patent for rounded rectangle. If you have connections and money you can get any stupid thing patented. Then again look, another-apple-patent was retracted. In the future, this patent will get retracted because it’s worthless. Until that retraction – we will always be right.

          Another variation of what they’ll say: See it’s just a handful of elements discoverd naturally on Earth for hundreds of years, layered like a cake that we’ve been eating for thousands of year. It’s obvious. It even gets manufactured in the China alongwith the other plastic-junk. Who even allowed such a patent?

          Yet another variation of what they’ll say: NASA had invented this technology in 1850; they hid it to prevent global warming. They hid the NASA itself. Rossi is NASA-technology-thief causing us the grief – burn him at coal fired stake, for god’s sake.
          I guess, I’ve learned enough to understand it “from-their-shoes” !!
          Stupididy has no end. Immorality has no limits.

          • bachcole

            But sane people may take a second look.

  • mcloki

    I am quite happy about this. Now it’s a long way from Patent to a working device but the most important thing is that with this patent protection Investors will be more willing to pour money into further research. Next come the investors, licensing and franchising agreements.

    • Warthog

      Well, usually it is the other way ’round…..the “working device” precedes the patent (sometimes by many years).

      • mcloki

        Yes. I meant commercial device. But I’m actually a bit excited by this news. I like the idea of what a possible game changer this is for society. Just the fact that it could lead to an explosion of new job creation is rather enticing.

        • Warthog

          True dat! Sometimes the “commercial device” never happens, and “successful commercial device” an even smaller percentage than that.

          • mcloki

            My interest is in Residential Home heating units. IF Rossi can create a heating unit for an underfloor Heating system. There is a ton of retrofit work that can go into homes worldwide. And in Canada it could make living further north much more affordable. Huge opportunity.

          • Warthog

            Well, what “I” want is an LENR powered motor home, so I guess that could be considered “residential heating”………..

  • mcloki

    I am quite happy about this. Now it’s a long way from Patent to a working device but the most important thing is that with this patent protection Investors will be more willing to pour money into further research. Next come the investors, licensing and franchising agreements.

    • Warthog

      Well, usually it is the other way ’round…..the “working device” precedes the patent (sometimes by many years).

      • mcloki

        Yes. I meant commercial device. But I’m actually a bit excited by this news. I like the idea of what a possible game changer this is for society. Just the fact that it could lead to an explosion of new job creation is rather enticing.

        • Warthog

          True dat! Sometimes the “commercial device” never happens, and “successful commercial device” an even smaller percentage than that.

          • mcloki

            My interest is in Residential Home heating units. IF Rossi can create a heating unit for an underfloor Heating system. There is a ton of retrofit work that can go into homes worldwide. And in Canada it could make living further north much more affordable. Huge opportunity.

          • Warthog

            Well, what “I” want is an LENR powered motor home, so I guess that could be considered “residential heating”………..

  • Warthog

    Short and sweet. And contains at least one tidbit that I have not seen on this or any other forum, which is the inclusion of metallic lithium powder in addition to the lithium aluminum hydride in the fuel mix.

  • GordonDocherty

    This is great news, well-deserved, and just the start….

    I particularly noted:

    “2. Another aspect of the invention is a composition of matter for generating heat, the composition including a mixture of porosity-enhanced nickel powder, lithium powder, and lithium aluminum powder, and a heat source in thermal communication with the mixture for initiating a nickel catalyzed exothermic reaction.”

    I also noted this patent includes details on an efficient, “novel” way to carry heat away, “novel” being “patent-speak” for something that is unique and patent-able.

    Well done Mr. Rossi! Brilliant!!!

  • Stephen Taylor

    I hope this reduces the need for secrecy. Perhaps Rossi can now be a little more open to providing information about his revolutionary process. Congratulations Dr. Rossi!

  • Timar

    Hey, MFMP, and all the other replicators: how about adding some elemental lithium to the mix? ;D

    • Bob Greenyer

      This has been the plan since Ikegami papers. We were working through trying to replicate claims first.

      This is more concrete.

      • Giuliano Bettini

        “Rescission of previous nonpublication request” 2015- 07-27
        http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123598413_1.pdf
        Meaning? Reasons? Why?

        • US_Citizen71

          With the granting of the current patent it appears that Rossi would like another previous application made public. My guess is that it covers a supporting piece like maybe the fuel wafer or something similar.

  • Timar

    Hey, MFMP, and all the other replicators: how about adding some elemental lithium to the mix?
    To be more precise, how about, say, 50% Ni, 20% Li and 30% LiAlH4? ;D

    • Bob Greenyer

      This has been the plan since Ikegami papers. We were working through trying to replicate claims first.

      This is more concrete.

  • Joel

    I expect replication efforts by many more scientists are going to explode in the weeks and months to come.

  • deleo77

    It would be good to hear from Rossi about what was required to get the patent – a site visit, replication etc? Now that he has been granted a patent perhaps he can open up and explain the process of how he was able to finally get one.

  • Someone at the patent office or the DOE must have spoken to the factory owner where the E-Cat power plant has been operating for over 6 months without refueling.

  • Someone at the patent office or the DOE must have spoken to the factory owner where the E-Cat power plant has been operating for over 6 months without refueling.

  • Ano Nymous

    50% Nickel, 20% Lithium, 30% Lithium Aluminum Hydride!

  • uDevil

    This is a big step for Rossi. I hope it’s a giant leap into the mainstream.

  • Mats002

    A big day for “outside-from-normal” science, may real truth seeking science win over narrow-minded ditto.

    Congratulations Rossi et al!

  • Mats002

    A big day for “outside-from-normal” science, may real truth seeking science win over narrow-minded ditto.

    Congratulations Rossi et al!

  • Obvious

    I am sure I have seen a photo of the wafer design, quite some time ago.

    • artefact

      Inside the box with the fins attached to it?

      • Obvious

        That’s the one. I just dug up the photos, and I’m not so sure about that being the reactor wafers. Some claimed that the wafers were a battery of sorts when the photos first came out.

    • Ted-X

      The key to the working of this LENR system is the “porosity enhanced nickel”. I suspect cryogenic grinding or hammering might be the process to “enhance the porosity”, as the cryogenic process reduces the grain sizes (it may also create some Bose-Einstein condensate; my speculation is that such a condensate might be unexpectedly stable in the reactor). Metallic lithium is not the key, as we are dealing with the thermodynamic equilibrium (seems that only chemical engineers understand the principles of thermodynamic equilibrium between several inorganic species at high temperatures). Because of the equilibrium, metallic lithium must be present if LiAlH4 is present under these conditions (H2 atmosphere, temp. over 1000 C).
      ——————————————————————————-
      My suggestion is that the REPLICATORS should concentrate on the pre-treatment of nickel, of which I highly recommend cryogenic hammering.
      ——————————————————————————–
      I was previously right when I said that other elements (except Ni and Li) are not needed. The role of aluminum is most likely to prevent hydrogen from building excessive pressure.

      • Obvious

        This Ni prep goes way back to Case, at least, and is not even novel, really. It is the standard flushing of water from reactant procedure (for things that can be heated without decomposing).

  • Obvious

    I am sure I have seen a photo of the wafer design, quite some time ago.
    Edit: seems to be a heat exchanger… unless it was the reactor hiding in plain sight.

    • artefact

      Inside the box with the fins attached to it?

      • Obvious

        That’s the one. I just dug up the photos, and I’m not so sure about that being the reactor wafers. Some claimed that the wafers were a battery of sorts when the photos first came out.

  • Guest2

    Will be a Tsunami of replications worldwide!!

  • Ano Nymous
  • Dods

    With the stigma that has been cast upon the subject that is Cold Fusion for the last 25 years. The patent office knows the risks of great humiliation that will ensue and therefore must be 100% golden in its results to give it a seal of approval. They know the subject matter at hand has been cast under a bad light and therefore today they have given the Cat a set of wings. I wonder what little birds Pomp, Hody and Krivit must be thinking right now?

    Grats Rossi and all

  • Stephen

    Brilliant news! This is a huge step and will certainly advance more general public recognition of LENR too. Congratulations to Andrea Rossi!

  • Bob Greenyer

    Congratulations Rossi!

    50% Nickel, 20% Lithium and 30% LiAlH4

    Was submitted 2012 – Before LUGANO

    Layered structure similar to Piantelli’s patent extension – precedent needs confirmation.

    Deliberately did not put in LENR – focus on simple functional attribute and fuel patent – therefore, much easier to pass and does not get the automatic block

    • Bob, do you think Alan is able to put some pure lithium into his fuel mix for the upcoming experiment?
      Would be nice to test this directly!

      • Bob Greenyer

        Will see.

        If not – me356 is nearly ready with his test and has got the Optris PI160 hacked into the Raspberry PI.

        We will also be running another test from the 12th.

        University of Missou is almost ready with theirs an we have supplied all the parts to Jean Paul-Biberian – so there are several options.

      • Bob Greenyer

        If someone can overnight some lithium to him – it would be an option – he is starting a new calibration and currently the cell is not closed.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Congratulations Rossi!

    50% Nickel, 20% Lithium and 30% LiAlH4

    Was submitted 2012 – Before LUGANO

    Layered structure similar to Piantelli’s patent extension – precedent needs confirmation.

    Deliberately did not put in LENR – focus on simple functional attribute and fuel patent – therefore, much easier to pass and does not get the automatic block

    • Bob, do you think Alan is able to put some pure lithium into his fuel mix for the upcoming experiment?
      Would be nice to test this directly!

      • Bob Greenyer

        Will see.

        If not – me356 is nearly ready with his test and has got the Optris PI160 hacked into the Raspberry PI.

        We will also be running another test from the 12th.

        University of Missou is almost ready with theirs an we have supplied all the parts to Jean Paul-Biberian – so there are several options.

      • Bob Greenyer

        If someone can overnight some lithium to him – it would be an option – he is starting a new calibration and currently the cell is not closed.

  • catfish

    this is a big big deal. Congratulations Mr Rossi!

  • catfish

    this is a big big deal. Congratulations Mr Rossi!

  • Ecco

    Also see:
    http://ecat.com/news/e-cat-patent-granted-by-uspto
    (with short Rossi interview)

  • gdaigle

    Time to open the bottle of Italian Prosecco! And then they wait for the legal actions that are bound to be filed by other inventors, not unlike when the telephone was patented.

    • artefact

      Last Friday on the last day of my holiday trip to Italy I went to my favorite wine producer and bought 6 bottles of good prosecco.

      And now I have a good reason to try one 🙂

  • Fyodor

    As I understand it the claims of the patent do not appear to cover the LENR reaction, only the heating system, so I don’t know that we can draw any larger conclusions about how the Patent Office will regard cold fusion/LENR going forward.

    • artefact

      See Ecco’s link. Rossi says the patent also covers the ECAT X

      • Fyodor

        The claim presumably covers the reaction chamber and fuel composition of the E-Cat X, which is similar. It’s not claiming an exothermic reaction or a nuclear process.

        • Obvious

          “In another aspect, the invention features an apparatus for heating a fluid, the apparatus including means for containing the fluid, and means for holding a fuel mixture containing a catalyst and a reagent, and means for initiating a reaction sequence mediated by the catalyst to cause an exothermic reaction.” – US Patent 9115913

    • This patent clearly states that 50% Nickle, 20% pure Lithium and 30% LiAlH4 is used in the fuel.
      All replicators tried only Nickle + LiAlH4 and failed (except Parkhomov and some chinese researchers). Maybe the missing information is the 20% pure Lithium powder!

      • Obvious

        Perhaps the typical Asian continent LAH contains substantial amounts of pure Li particles (unreacted with Al) in the mix.

      • Timar

        Seems not unlikely. Maybe the LiAlH4 used by Parkhomov contained some elemental lithium. Everyone was concerned about the purity of the nickel he used, while no one thought about the LiAlH4. I remember a photo of it stored it in a glass jar he kept on a kitchen cupboard…

    • Mats002

      Read next column 2: Another aspect of… cover the heat source – COP of 6 in SSM mode!

      • Fyodor

        Well, first, that’s the description, not the claims. You’ll note that it does not mention where that energy is coming from-no mention of nuclear reaction or anything

        I’m not trying to take anything away from Rossi-I think that this was probably an intentional strategy to avoid the patent office’s skepticism about LENR. I just think that we shouldn’t draw the conclusion that this involves some sort of evaluation of Rossi’s claims or belief in LENR.

        • US_Citizen71

          Great news! I bet oil has a bad day!

          • Sanjeev

            Big news and congratulations to Rossi !
            His path is now clear.
            Its an important document for replicators also, perhaps more important than the Lugano report. We may now see a number of replications that are based on this patent.

          • Mats002

            Death spiral in progress… I hope.

    • Sanjeev

      I did not read the patent fully yet but word search for lenr or even fusion returns 0 results.
      So this is deliberate and a smart move which made the grant of patent possible.

      He can use the same strategy to get the safety clearances for his devices by not calling them nuclear or CF or anything exotic. Since the E-Cat shows no signs of any nuclear activity (we see only heat), it can pass all checks without any problems.

      • Kevmo

        Exactly what I’ve been saying all along.

        He could call it a super resonating chemical reaction, sell millions of units before the NRC exerts their muscle. And the e-cat will have been let out of the bag by that point.

  • gdaigle

    Time to open the bottle of Italian Prosecco! And then they wait for the legal actions that are bound to be filed by other inventors, not unlike when the telephone was patented.

    • artefact

      Last Friday on the last day of my holiday trip to Italy I went to my favorite wine producer and bought 6 bottles of good prosecco.

      And now I have a good reason to try one 🙂

  • Fyodor

    As I understand it the claims of the patent do not appear to cover the LENR reaction, only the heating system, so I don’t know that we can draw any larger conclusions about how the Patent Office will regard cold fusion/LENR going forward.

    Edit:updated to note that the claims include the fuel composition and that a “reaction” is occurring. But no mention of LENR anywhere in the patent, something that I suspect that is a deliberate strategy to avoid patent office skepticism about LENR.

    • artefact

      See Ecco’s link. Rossi says the patent also covers the ECAT X

      • Fyodor

        The claim presumably covers the reaction chamber and fuel composition of the E-Cat X, which is similar. It’s not claiming a nuclear process.

        • Obvious

          “In another aspect, the invention features an apparatus for heating a fluid, the apparatus including means for containing the fluid, and means for holding a fuel mixture containing a catalyst and a reagent, and means for initiating a reaction sequence mediated by the catalyst to cause an exothermic reaction.” – US Patent 9115913

    • This patent clearly states that 50% Nickle, 20% pure Lithium and 30% LiAlH4 is used in the fuel.
      All replicators tried only Nickle + LiAlH4 and failed (except Parkhomov and some chinese researchers).

      Maybe the missing and now available information is the 20% pure Lithium powder!

      • Obvious

        Perhaps the typical Asian continent LAH contains substantial amounts of pure Li particles (unreacted with Al) in the mix.

      • Timar

        Seems not unlikely. Maybe the LiAlH4 used by Parkhomov contained some elemental lithium. Everyone was concerned about the purity of the nickel he used, while no one thought about the LiAlH4. I remember a photo of it stored it in a glass jar he kept on a kitchen cupboard…

    • Mats002

      Read next column 2: Another aspect of… cover the heat source – COP of 6 in SSM mode!

      • Fyodor

        Well, first, that’s the description, not the claims. You’ll note that it does not mention where that energy is coming from-no mention of nuclear reaction or anything

        I’m not trying to take anything away from Rossi-I think that this was probably an intentional strategy to avoid the patent office’s skepticism about LENR. I just think that we shouldn’t draw the conclusion that this involves some sort of evaluation of Rossi’s claims or belief in LENR.

    • Sanjeev

      I did not read the patent fully yet but word search for lenr or even fusion returns 0 results.
      So this is deliberate and a smart move which made the grant of patent possible.

      He can use the same strategy to get the safety clearances for his devices by not calling them nuclear or CF or anything exotic. Since the E-Cat shows no signs of any nuclear activity (we see only heat), it can pass all checks without any problems.

      • Exactly what I’ve been saying all along.

        He could call it a super resonating chemical reaction, sell millions of units before the NRC exerts their muscle. And the e-cat will have been let out of the bag by that point.

  • Bob

    Nice!
    I do not think this can be anything but good news for Rossi, Cold Fusion / LENR science and eventually ME! Perhaps a home heater for my swimming pool will be upcoming! 🙂
    .
    I could not help but notice in the patent that this is all Rossi / Leonardo Corp. Ties in to the other thread about IH / Rossi relationship. Not necessarily a negative, but strengthens the view that IH is not as integral as was possibly thought before.
    .
    That said, having a patent is a break through. That said, having a patent does not guarantee commercialization. For something this big, a truly professional and top notch business entity will be required. I hope Rossi is or allows someone to become that top notch business captain.
    .
    Some time back, a poster (I believe was a retired patent attorney?) used to post concerning patents. I always was impressed with his insights and knowledge. If he still reads this site, I urge him to comment on this patent. It seems that it is only good for 600+ days? I am no expert by any means, but there seems to be that caveat to it. Can anyone bring enlightenment to this?
    .
    Good news, kind of makes my day!

    • Timar

      The patent has been filed in 4/2012. That was long before IH even entered the game.

  • bachcole

    I want to run up and down my street shouting “cold fusion is real”, but people here already think that I am scary weird.

    • Sanjeev

      Note that patents exists for non-working an unreal devices. So technically, a patent is not a proof. But this is a minor detail in the case of E-Cat, this patent provides a solid evidence ..to say the least.

  • bfast

    Fyodor, I think you are incorrect. If you read claim 1 (the primary claim) you will see:
    “wherein said fuel mixture comprises lithium and lithium hydroxide, wherein said catalyst comprises … wherein reinvigorating said reaction comprises varying a voltage…”
    This patent, therefore, covers both the heat recovery system and the core ingredients of the LENR system.

    That said, if one could produce a good LENR reaction without using both lithium and lithium hydroxide, or if one could produce a good LENR reaction without using a variable voltage to reinvigorate the reaction, then one would be past the patent. Ie, the patent doesn’t seem all that strong.

    Of interesting note is claim 3: “The apparatus of claim 2, wherein the nickel has been treated to increase the porosity thereof.” Hmmm. Note that the method of treatment is not described.

    • Obvious

      The treatment is heating, causing micro explosions due to trapped water, as described in the patent.

      • Bob Greenyer

        fast heating to 200 and quenching as prep possibly rather than parkhomovs simple heating

        • Obvious

          The addition of H2 at relatively cool temperatures to slightly oxidized nickel will form water, which may then pop and/or be disassociated again at higher temperatures.

    • Mats002

      Yes it is – heat the Ni powder at temp and pressure to get all H2O out of it and more…

    • Ted-X

      The treatment is cryogenic hammering, 95 % confidence level. Nickel is not popcorn, heating wet nickel will not increase porosity.
      ———————————————————————–
      However, an alternative would be a process similar to making of Raney nickel. This would be melting of Ni with Al (for catalysts they also add small quantities of Zn or Cr to the alloy). The alloy is then treated with sodium hydroxide, which dissolves all the metals of the alloy except nickel, so the resulting nickel is highly porous.
      ————————————————————————
      The presence of traces of oxygen and carbon might still be of value, as the traces of carbon monoxide might be important. If this is true, the patent will be weak.

      • Private Citizen

        Wonder if Rossi will cooperate with replicators, now that his tech is safely patented?

        • I asked him on JoNP, but no reply yet…

        • Robyn Wyrick

          HOLY CARP! I didn’t even think about that!!! Great question.

        • GreenWin

          Reflecting 25 years abject rejection of anything to do with cold fusion – Ian’s enthusiasm is warranted. There are other Rossi patents in process and some well protected trade secrets – which MAY be of broader legal value than patents.

          • Omega Z

            “There are other Rossi patents in process”

            64 in process according to Rossi on JONP. Not sure how many that actually is. i run out of fingers at 8.

          • mcloki

            The next month should see every “new energy and hot fusion scientist and research team sending out press releases talking about “verge of breakthrough, calls for more funding” press releases. Watch the scrambling to secure future funding heat up.

    • Fyodor

      Right, it also covers the composition of the fuel. What it does NOT do, as far as I can tell, is mention any nuclear reaction anywhere in the claims or description. Just that there is excess heat.

  • bfast

    Fyodor, I think you are incorrect. If you read claim 1 (the primary claim) you will see:
    “wherein said fuel mixture comprises lithium and lithium hydroxide, wherein said catalyst comprises … wherein reinvigorating said reaction comprises varying a voltage…”
    This patent, therefore, covers both the heat recovery system and the core ingredients of the LENR system.

    That said, if one could produce a good LENR reaction without using both lithium and lithium hydroxide, or if one could produce a good LENR reaction without using a variable voltage to reinvigorate the reaction, then one would be past the patent. Ie, the patent doesn’t seem all that strong.

    Of interesting note is claim 3: “The apparatus of claim 2, wherein the nickel has been treated to increase the porosity thereof.” Hmmm. Note that the method of treatment is not described.

    • Obvious

      The treatment is heating, causing micro explosions due to trapped water, as described in the patent.

      • Bob Greenyer

        fast heating to 200 and quenching as prep possibly rather than parkhomovs simple heating

        • Obvious

          The addition of H2 at relatively cool temperatures to slightly oxidized nickel will form water, which may then pop and/or be disassociated again at higher temperatures.
          Edit: An old jar of nickel powder with a poor seal just might hydrate itself enough with atmospheric H2O….

    • Mats002

      Yes it is – heat the Ni powder at temp and pressure to get all H2O out of it and more…

    • Ted-X

      The treatment is cryogenic hammering, 95 % confidence level. Nickel is not popcorn, heating wet nickel will not increase porosity.
      ———————————————————————–
      However, an alternative would be a process similar to making of Raney nickel. This would be melting of Ni with Al (for catalysts they also add small quantities of Zn or Cr to the alloy). The alloy is then treated with sodium hydroxide, which dissolves all the metals of the alloy except nickel, so the resulting nickel is highly porous.
      ————————————————————————
      The presence of traces of oxygen and carbon might still be of value, as the traces of carbon monoxide might be important. If this is true, the patent will be weak.

    • Fyodor

      Right, it also covers the composition of the fuel. What it does NOT do, as far as I can tell, is mention any nuclear reaction anywhere in the claims or description. Just that there is excess heat.

  • oldrolledgold

    Last time I tried to post a comment it was to ask if Rossi’s enthusiasm recently was caused by his having been granted a patent.Nothing offensive in the post,it just wasn’t ‘OK’ed’.Strange.

  • Obvious

    Looks like a busy week for replicators everywhere.
    Now, to find some damp Ni and (dry) pure Li….

    • artefact

      The patent also says that the size of the NI is not critical. Between 1 nano and 100 micrometer. (page 8 line 55)

      • Mats002

        Score! (I thought so, search old discussions about Ni powders).
        Sorry for not being humble 🙂

    • Obvious

      “3. Next are successive cycles of H2 gas admission, heating, and evacuation. The purpose of this phase, prior to D2 admission, is to get rid of all residual chemical activity. There are oxides and other stuff on the catalyst. By reacting these with H2, the catalyst is cleaned and prepared.” Mallove interview with Les Case, Infinite Energy, 1998

      “Ames National Laboratory processed metal alloy foils via arc melting followed by melt spinning. This is the Yamaura process employed by Arata and others. The foils were baked in ordinary air at 445C for 28 hours. The brittle, oxidized foils were placed
      in a tumble mill for 24 hours.” – Brian Ahern

  • Obvious

    Looks like a busy week for replicators everywhere.
    Now, to find some damp Ni and (dry) pure Li….

    • artefact

      The patent also says that the size of the NI is not critical. Between 1 nano and 100 micrometer. (page 8 line 55)

      • Mats002

        Score! (I thought so, search old discussions about Ni powders).
        Sorry for not being humble 🙂

    • Charlie tapp

      Looks like a busy day for frank weeding through all of these comments probably going to make him crazy thank you frank for your hard work on this site.

    • Obvious

      “3. Next are successive cycles of H2 gas admission, heating, and evacuation. The purpose of this phase, prior to D2 admission, is to get rid of all residual chemical activity. There are oxides and other stuff on the catalyst. By reacting these with H2, the catalyst is cleaned and prepared.” Mallove interview with Les Case, Infinite Energy, 1998

      “Ames National Laboratory processed metal alloy foils via arc melting followed by melt spinning. This is the Yamaura process employed by Arata and others. The foils were baked in ordinary air at 445C for 28 hours. The brittle, oxidized foils were placed
      in a tumble mill for 24 hours.” – Brian Ahern

  • bachcole

    To tell you the truth, I am surprised that things have moved this far along. I thought the US Patent Office would drag their feet a lot longer.

    Is there something here I am missing? This seems too good to be true.

    • uDevil

      Same. I’m waiting to get hit in the face with cold water.

    • LilyLover

      People salute rising star.
      They know: Rossi >> Dying Big-Oil

    • Mats002

      You say telling the truth is not a habit of yours? ^^

      • bachcole

        It’s a figure of speech. I am both addicted to and committed to absolute honesty. It helps one to be honest with one’s self, and that is important for spiritual growth.

    • TomR

      Bachcole, when Andrea talked kindly about Obama, I knew there had been a change at the upper levels. I think October isn’t out of the picture for the domestic heaters.

      • bachcole

        TomR, I don’t remember Andrea talking kindly about Obama, but I can’t read everything, and that is for sure. I’ll take your word for it.

        Given that Andrea is a conservative and Obama is a progressive, left of liberalism, it is likely that Andrea would have been civil, not kindly. So there may very well be something to your comment.

        This would explain Obama’s giving away the (nuclear) store to the Iranians. If Obama is as certain about LENR as we are, then, hey, what the heck, give the Iranians anything they want, because they are soon going to be bankrupt. I do find it difficult to believe that Obama would be so ignorant of history as to have forgotten about Neville Chamberlain.

        One interesting little factoid: Chamberlain felt so betrayed by Hitler that he joined Churchill’s government and supported Churchill, and in the beginning of Churchill’s administration in 1940, there were even people in his government who were talking about surrender, so Churchill needed all of the support that he could get, and Chamberlain gave it to him. At least he learned from his own mistake. I hope that Obama has.

        • TomR

          When Andrea talked about it on JONP he compared Obama to Abraham Lincoln, in that a lot people didn’t like him when he was in office. I was surprised that some people didn’t complain about what he said. I like it when he talks about what he believes and his faith in God.

          • bachcole

            I think that there is a lot going on in our government that we don’t see. I know for a fact that our Navy Seals and other well disciplined and well intentioned hardcases are in far more countries than we hear about in the news media.

  • GreenWin

    WONDERFUL NEWS! Congratulations to the indefatigable Dr. Rossi and Team Industrial Heat. Four years after introducing the “impossible invention” to the world – he has obtained a patent. A great day for the planet. And the USPTO. 🙂

  • Ted-X

    The key to the working of this LENR system is the “porosity enhanced nickel”. I suspect cryogenic grinding or hammering might be the process to “enhance the porosity”, as the cryogenic process reduces the grain sizes (it may also create some Bose-Einstein condensate; my speculation is that such a condensate might be unexpectedly stable in the reactor). Metallic lithium is not the key, as we are dealing with the thermodynamic equilibrium (seems that only chemical engineers understand the principles of thermodynamic equilibrium between several inorganic species at high temperatures). Because of the equilibrium, metallic lithium must be present if LiAlH4 is present under these conditions (H2 atmosphere, temp. over 1000 C).
    ——————————————————————————-
    My suggestion is that the REPLICATORS should concentrate on the pre-treatment of nickel, of which I highly recommend cryogenic hammering.
    ——————————————————————————–
    I was previously right when I said that other elements (except Ni and Li) are not needed. The role of aluminum is most likely to prevent hydrogen from building excessive pressure.

    • Obvious

      This Ni prep goes way back to Case, at least, and is not even novel, really. It is the standard flushing of water from reactant procedure (for things that can be heated without decomposing). This has been discussed several times.

  • GreenWin

    WONDERFUL NEWS! Congratulations to the indefatigable Dr. Rossi and Team Industrial Heat. Four years after introducing the “impossible invention” to the world – he has obtained a patent. A great day for the planet. And the USPTO. 🙂

  • Bob Greenyer

    We have just got confirmation that GS3 ash is in the mass spec of one of the independent testers – I and they do not know what is in each vial – if we see isotopic shifts – I am all in

    • “all in” meaning what? quitting your job? investing?

      • Bob Greenyer

        I will say this is real.

    • Andre Blum

      How soon do you think they can follow up with their findings?

      • Bob Greenyer

        We may have results very soon. Will publish either way immediately

  • Charlie tapp

    Wonder if this news is what caused the stock market fall lately? Surely higher up people new about this much earlier than we did.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Some of these

    https://www.americanelements.com/lithium-pellets-7439-93-2

    available on EBAY

    let’s hope I don’t have to buy a gas boiler.

  • NT

    A big step for Rossi and company, a giant stride for our world and mankind – hopefully!

  • Excellent! In the words of Stan Lee -Excelsior!

  • Bob Greenyer

    Some of these

    https://www.americanelements.com/lithium-pellets-7439-93-2

    available on EBAY

    let’s hope I don’t have to buy a gas boiler.

  • NT

    A big step for Rossi and company, a giant stride for our world and mankind – hopefully!

  • Excellent! In the words of Stan Lee -Excelsior!

  • LilyLover

    For example –

    They’ll say: Patents don’t matter. Look even apple got a patent for rounded rectangle. If you have connections and money you can get any stupid thing patented. Then again look, another-apple-patent was retracted. In the future, this patent will get retracted because it’s worthless. Until that retraction – we will always be right.

    Another variation of what they’ll say: See it’s just a handful of elements discoverd naturally on Earth for hundreds of years, layered like a cake that we’ve been eating for thousands of year. It’s obvious. It even gets manufactured in the China alongwith the other plastic-junk. Who even allowed such a patent?

    Yet another variation of what they’ll say: NASA had invented this technology in 1850; they hid it to prevent global warming. They hid the NASA itself. Rossi is NASA-technology-thief causing us the grief – burn him at coal fired stake, for god’s sake.
    I guess, I’ve learned enough to understand it “from-their-shoes” !!
    Stupididy has no end. Immorality has no limits.

  • LilyLover

    People salute rising star.
    They know: Rossi >> Dying Big-Oil

  • Bob Greenyer

    I discussed on our site and linked to papers why Al is the right catalyst. It acts on the Ni surface and improves its action in this regard as temperature rises.

    http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/499-how-the-get-the-right-catalyst

    This creates more porosity and epicatalytic surfaces. Think Raney Nickel

    Most of the reaction paths are in my sheet from earlier in the year.

    https://goo.gl/KhqT0K

    Ni alone and H2 can make excess heat as per Piantelli’s original discovery – but it is its ability to not absorb but eject protons on occasion that allows the big yield from 1H interacting with 7Li.

    Nickel 62 and 64 are preferential

    62 because it doesn’t want any protons and basically ejects them

    64 because it doesn’t really want protons, and if it does take on board any – it rapidly converts to 62.

    Old fuel should already have more 62 and 64 and also more of the epicatalytic Ni/Al

  • Bob Greenyer

    I discussed on our site and linked to papers why Al is the right catalyst. It acts on the Ni surface and improves its action in this regard as temperature rises.

    http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/499-how-the-get-the-right-catalyst

    This creates more porosity and epicatalytic surfaces. Think Raney Nickel

    Most of the reaction paths are in my sheet from earlier in the year.

    https://goo.gl/KhqT0K

    Ni alone and H2 can make excess heat as per Piantelli’s original discovery – but it is its ability to not absorb but eject protons on occasion that allows the big yield from 1H interacting with 7Li.

    Nickel 62 and 64 are preferential

    62 because it doesn’t want any protons and basically ejects them

    64 because it doesn’t really want protons, and if it does take on board any – it rapidly converts to 62.

    Old fuel should already have more 62 and 64 and also more of the epicatalytic Ni/Al

  • Ted-X

    The answer to running LENR above the melting point of nickel:
    – m.p. 1722 deg. C deg – nickel aluminide: NiAl
    – m.p. 1455 deg. C – pure nickel
    The difference is 267 degree C.
    ——————————————— Ted-X

    • Bob Greenyer

      nice

  • Ted-X

    The answer to running LENR above the melting point of nickel:
    – m.p. 1722 deg. C deg – nickel aluminide: NiAl
    – m.p. 1455 deg. C – pure nickel
    The difference is 267 degree C.
    ——————————————— Ted-X

    • Bob Greenyer

      nice

  • Mats002

    You say telling the truth is not a habit of yours? ^^

    • Bob Matulis

      BIG!

      • Christina

        Congratulations to Andrea Rossi and his team.

        Christina

        Yeah, yeah, yeah.

        • Omega Z

          Great Jeopardy-

          What is lyrics from THE BEATLES song-
          I love you yeah yeah yeah

  • Jonnyb

    Yipeeeeee!! at last well done.

  • Jonnyb

    Yipeeeeee!! at last well done.

  • Bob Matulis

    BIG!

  • clovis ray

    happy, happy, happy,

  • clovis ray

    happy, happy, happy,

  • Gerard McEk

    This is an excellent achievement of AR/IH. That makes easier to get it more open into the world. I am sure they will try to get a world patent as well.
    I hope the revelations in the patent makes easier replications possible.

  • Gerard McEk

    This is an excellent achievement of AR/IH. That makes easier to get it more open into the world. I am sure they will try to get a world patent as well.
    I hope the revelations in the patent makes easier replications possible.

  • US_Citizen71

    Great news! I bet oil has a bad day!

    • Mats002

      Death spiral in progress… I hope.

  • Christina

    Congratulations to Andrea Rossi and his team.

    Christina

    Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    • Omega Z

      Great Jeopardy-

      What is lyrics from THE BEATLES song-
      I love you yeah yeah yeah

  • Sanjeev

    Big news and congratulations to Rossi !
    His path is now clear.
    Its an important document for replicators also, perhaps more important than the Lugano report. We may now see a number of replications that are based on this patent.

  • Bob Greenyer

    CALL OUT.

    Can anyone get hold of Lithium pellets – and courier them to Alan in Santa Cruz, please contact me via main site. He is still in open reactor calibrations today.

    We could consider a run tomorrow/thursday then

    • I will send out an email at LENR Forum, hopefully we find someone!

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thanks so much – let’s do this!

        • builditnow

          Santa Cruz, California? If so, there is SRI close by and some people in U of Berkeley interested in LENR with access to Lithium Aluminum Hydride etc. I’m over the hill in San Jose, could help out. Pellets, not powder?

          • Bob Greenyer

            pellets please – and if you can help – yay!

          • Omega Z

            Bob, builditnow probably can’t help out. Reread his response.
            He said he’s over the hill.
            That usually equates to a bottle of oxygen & a walker.
            🙂

          • I’m in Milpitas. There seem to be quite a few of us in silicon valley.

        • builditnow

          Ok, got it, Lithium pellets, not LAH pellets.

        • Mail is out!
          Good luck 🙂

          • Bob Greenyer

            Awesome – thanks

    • once again Bob, be advised. Lithium metal, granular from Sigma. MSDS section 14 reads:

      https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/65193431/Li%20MSDS.PNG

      • Bob Greenyer

        Got you – please know that things need to be transported in the responsible and correct way.

        Not like these guys and companies on Ebay.

        http://goo.gl/o5gCO0

  • Bob Greenyer

    I will say this is real.

  • LuFong

    While this is certainly good news for Rossi, those holding his IP rights, and LENR in general I wonder how close this patent matches current E-Cat technology. Are Rossi’s “revolutions” simply refinements to this patent or is it altogether different?

    • clovis ray

      hi, lu,
      I would say they are somewhat close, he did say the e-cat x , will fall under the same patent, it being just a upgrade of the old l/t cat.

  • Sanjeev

    Well said.

  • Sanjeev

    Note that patents exists for non-working an unreal devices. So technically, a patent is not a proof. But this is a minor detail in the case of E-Cat, this patent provides a solid evidence ..to say the least.

  • builditnow

    Today: “Oil has no reason to melt down: energy analyst”
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/no-fundamental-reason-for-oil-s–meltdown—energy-analyst-175344315.html#
    Go Rossi, Go.

    • artefact

      🙂

    • Omega Z

      At present- 3 Mbbl a day surplus.
      Inventories
      The U.S. Government SPR holding’s 700 Mbbl
      U.S. Corporate inventories >400 Mbbl
      Japan >500 Mbbl
      CHINA >150 Mbbl plus 60 Mbbl setting in Super tanker storage offshore that they know of.

      And much more. China has continued increasing it’s SPR using the cost savings of lower prices to increase the number of barrels purchased. This is the primary support for current prices.

      This is about to stop. China can’t build storage fast enough & Super tanker’s are becoming hard to come by. The U.S SPR is only 20 Mbbl shy of maximum capacity. Oilco’s are trying to push finished product through to what storage capacity is left in that realm.<-note this has been a problem as they've had some refineries go down for unplanned maintenance issues.

      Well's will soon need to be shut down, not due to price, but for lack of storage space. At which point, Prices will drop drastically.
      Note while many were watching for U.S. Oilco's to blink, they have been busy improving recovery technology even more. Most existing wells can now stay online to as low of $10 a bbl. Even many new undeveloped fields can now be priced out at $32 a barrel which involves the huge upfront costs.

      LENR will have minimal impact on Oil. It will take a good 20 years to do so. However, 20 years from now, nearly all the cheap oil will be depleted. Why do you think Russia, U.S., & Europe are eyeballing the Arctic ocean. Why do you think China is eyeballing the entire South China sea. In 20 years, even the middle east could see production drop by 50%.

      Today's Oil prices are based on Today's available supply. If it were based on future supply, it would already be $200 a barrel.
      By this measure, N-gas & coal aren't even a good indicator & they would both be impacted much sooner by LENR then Oil.

      • LilyLover

        “If it were based on future supply, it would already be $200 a barrel.”
        >>
        Only valid if the oil was not being replaced by other sources.
        When oil becomes needless / useless, the $2/bbl is also expensive.
        It is based on FUTURE SELLABILITY.

  • builditnow

    Today: “Oil has no reason to melt down: energy analyst”
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/no-fundamental-reason-for-oil-s–meltdown—energy-analyst-175344315.html#
    Go Rossi, Go.

    • artefact

      🙂

    • Omega Z

      At present- 3 Mbbl a day surplus.
      Inventories
      The U.S. Government SPR holding’s 700 Mbbl
      U.S. Corporate inventories >400 Mbbl
      Japan >500 Mbbl
      CHINA >150 Mbbl plus 60 Mbbl setting in Super tanker storage offshore that they know of.

      And much more. China has continued increasing it’s SPR using the cost savings of lower prices to increase the number of barrels purchased. This is the primary support for current prices.

      This is about to stop. China can’t build storage fast enough & Super tanker’s are becoming hard to come by. The U.S SPR is only 20 Mbbl shy of maximum capacity. Oilco’s are trying to push finished product through to what storage capacity is left in that realm.<-note this has been a problem as they've had some refineries go down for unplanned maintenance issues.

      Well's will soon need to be shut down, not due to price, but for lack of storage space. At which point, Prices will drop drastically.
      Note while many were watching for U.S. Oilco's to blink, they have been busy improving recovery technology even more. Most existing wells can now stay online to as low of $10 a bbl. Even many new undeveloped fields can now be priced out at $32 a barrel which involves the huge upfront costs.

      LENR will have minimal impact on Oil. It will take a good 20 years to do so. However, 20 years from now, nearly all the cheap oil will be depleted. Why do you think Russia, U.S., & Europe are eyeballing the Arctic ocean. Why do you think China is eyeballing the entire South China sea. In 20 years, even the middle east could see production drop by 50%.

      Today's Oil prices are based on Today's available supply. If it were based on future supply, it would already be $200 a barrel.
      By this measure, N-gas & coal aren't even a good indicator & they would both be impacted much sooner by LENR then Oil.

      • LilyLover

        “If it were based on future supply, it would already be $200 a barrel.”
        >>
        Only valid if the oil was not being replaced by other sources.
        When oil becomes needless / useless, the $2/bbl is also expensive.
        It is based on FUTURE SELLABILITY.

  • Rob Lewis

    Not to state the obvious, but one caveat: simply getting a patent is not confirmation that your invention works as described.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Agreed.

      But the MFMP and others are well positioned to test this.

      Having said that, it may not be necessary to prove the validity – GS3 ash is in isotopic testing today with at least one independent party.

    • Sanjeev

      No its not. Its only a paper to protect your invention.
      The real confirmation will come from the commercial devices that this patent will enable.
      Not to say the 1000s of replications and variants that this simple paper can spawn.
      Only one issue – if this patent hides a critical piece of info, then the replications will fail and our only hope will be for the commercial product to be successful.

  • Rob Lewis

    Not to state the obvious, but one caveat: simply getting a patent is not confirmation that your invention works as described.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Agreed.

      But the MFMP and others are well positioned to test this.

      Having said that, it may not be necessary to prove the validity – GS3 ash is in isotopic testing today with at least one independent party.

    • Sanjeev

      No its not. Its only a paper to protect your invention.
      The real confirmation will come from the commercial devices that this patent will enable.
      Not to say the 1000s of replications and variants that this simple paper can spawn.
      Only one issue – if this patent hides a critical piece of info, then the replications will fail and our only hope will be for the commercial product to be successful.

    • telessar

      Completely true – and this patent especially is not. This patent attorney finally did the right thing and didn’t mention LENR – the patent is for a device that (may) produce LENR, but the effect is never claimed, which IMO is totally the right way to do it.

      IMO some of the earlier Rossi apps I saw were terrible – this one is pretty decent.

  • US_Citizen71

    So if Nickel is only the catalyst and Lithium and Hydrogen the fuel would the reaction be fission or fusion?

    Li7 + H -> Li6 + D ???

    • Mats002

      What about a third option: quantum tunneling?

      • Bob Greenyer

        that will lower the price of admission

    • Bob Greenyer

      Al will likely be part of making Ni epicatalytic

      I discussed this here

      http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/499-how-the-get-the-right-catalyst

    • Bob Greenyer

      It is Fusion / Fission + 1 daughter product (alpha) does electron capture to create two He.

      Line 12 and 13 in my sheet

      https://goo.gl/KhqT0K

      • US_Citizen71

        Thanks! So it should be making He then. I see now why LENR is a better overall name. Too many reactions for the layman to easily comprehend without a little fear.

        • Bob Greenyer

          yes.

        • Omega Z

          Leave it to Rossi to make fun of the skeptics.
          In full operation the E-cat produces-
          he he he he he he

  • US_Citizen71

    So if Nickel is only the catalyst and Lithium and Hydrogen the fuel would the reaction be fission or fusion?

    Li7 + H -> Li6 + D ???

    • Mats002

      What about a third option: quantum tunneling?

      • Bob Greenyer

        that will lower the price of admission

    • Bob Greenyer

      Al will likely be part of making Ni epicatalytic

      I discussed this here

      http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/499-how-the-get-the-right-catalyst

    • clovis ray

      Hi,Buddy
      I’m not sure, but it is possible that it is neither,

    • Bob Greenyer

      It is Fusion / Fission + 1 daughter product (alpha) does electron capture to create two He.

      Line 12 and 13 in my sheet

      https://goo.gl/KhqT0K

      • US_Citizen71

        Thanks! So it should be making He then. I see now why LENR is a better overall name. Too many reactions for the layman to easily comprehend without a little fear.

        • Bob Greenyer

          yes.

        • Omega Z

          Leave it to Rossi to make fun of the skeptics.
          In full operation the E-cat produces-
          he he he he he he

    • bachcole

      Good semantic question.

  • Private Citizen

    Wonder if Rossi will cooperate with replicators, now that his tech is safely patented?

    • I asked him on JoNP, but no reply yet…

    • Robyn Wyrick

      HOLY CARP! I didn’t even think about that!!! Great question.

  • clovis ray

    I like this definition,of the Rossi effect , The Rossi Effect is a new type of high energy density LENR based exothermal process discovered by Andrea Rossi. – oh btw, i fought tooth in nail here and elsewhere,to insure it was to be named the rossi effect, it stuck i’m glad,

    • LilyLover

      I have proudly noted and admired your fight. Thank you.

      • clovis ray

        Hi, Lilly L
        Thanks, and this is Dr.Rossi,day, wow,

  • Mark S.

    Awesome!!!

  • Sanjeev
  • Sanjeev
    • clovis ray

      Thanks buddy, i didn’t see the name rossi effect in the published version,

  • f sedei

    Is that an earthquake I feel, or the scientific world shaking? Congratulations Andrea Rossi. We, the faithful, knew you could do it.

  • Giuliano Bettini

    “Rescission of previous nonpublication request” 2015- 07-27
    http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123598413_1.pdf
    Meaning? Reasons? Why?

    • US_Citizen71

      With the granting of the current patent it appears that Rossi would like another previous application made public. My guess is that it covers a supporting piece like maybe the fuel wafer or something similar.

    • telessar

      The PTO rule is that applications are published within 18 months of their effective filing date UNLESS they are U.S. only and a non-publication request is filed.

      If the application IS published, you can later get royalties from people who were using the invention and had actual knowledge of the application. So a possible downside to the non-publication request is that he would not be able to go after royalties until the patent had actually issued.

      So here, Rossi filed a non-publication request, and is rescinding it. The three reasons one would normally do this are:

      (1) He decided to file the same patent in a foreign patent office;

      (2) He wants to make sure he can pursue royalties later based on the publication date; OR

      (3) He wants the perceived legitimacy that comes with a published application.

  • Barney Holmes

    What a day. And a tip of the hat to Eugene Mallove in the name of the device The New Fire.

  • What a day. And a tip of the hat to Eugene Mallove in the name of the device The New Fire.

  • Rossi now has an airtight patent with precedence to allow him to maximise profits.

    Hi all

    What is now apparent is that Rossi has an airtight patent with the precedence to allow him to maximise profits by gaining the maximum period on his patent. The whole thing with a patent is to ensure you have precedence on other patent applicants while simultaneously ensuring the Patent is accepted at as late a point as possible in order to ensure the patent keeps others out for the maximum time possible. A circle that takes skill to square.

    This is a textbook example of good patent strategy.

    You register the patent as early as possible for precedence, ideally using multiple patent applications so that they act as multiple levels of defence, and take every opportunity to refine the patents at each rejection and appeal. A good patent lawyer games the application rejection appeal process to maximise your development time, while preventing your competitors gaining knowledge of your product until the very last moment when you are ready to produce.

    I dare say those who were involved with Rossi’s competitors and who used sock puppets to engage in pseudo scepticism either in the hope of denigrating Rossi their competitor out of existence, or to try to prevent Rossi gaining a patent or financial backing, are now spitting feathers as all their plans have come to nought, and one perhaps may see them in various sites, such as this, engaging in such activities, while all of us laugh at their discomfort

    Kind Regards walker

  • Rossi now has an airtight patent with precedence to allow him to maximise profits.

    Hi all

    What is now apparent is that Rossi has an airtight patent with the precedence to allow him to maximise profits by gaining the maximum period on his patent. The whole thing with a patent is to ensure you have precedence on other patent applicants while simultaneously ensuring the Patent is accepted at as late a point as possible in order to ensure the patent keeps others out for the maximum time possible. A circle that takes skill to square.

    This is a textbook example of good patent strategy.

    You register the patent as early as possible for precedence, ideally using multiple patent applications so that they act as multiple levels of defence, and take every opportunity to refine the patents at each rejection and appeal. A good patent lawyer games the application rejection appeal process to maximise your development time, while preventing your competitors gaining knowledge of your product until the very last moment when you are ready to produce.

    I dare say those who were involved with Rossi’s competitors and who used sock puppets to engage in pseudo scepticism either in the hope of denigrating Rossi their competitor out of existence, or to try to prevent Rossi gaining a patent or financial backing, are now spitting feathers as all their plans have come to nought, and one perhaps may see them in various sites, such as this, engaging in such activities, while all of us laugh at their discomfort

    Kind Regards walker

    • telessar

      I think “airtight” may be an exaggeration, but it appears to be a pretty decent patent for sure.

      • Hi all

        In reply to telessar

        It is a Patent. It has been Granted. Therefore it is airtight.

        Kind Regards walker

        • telessar

          No offense Walker, but you don’t seem to know very much about patent law. Having a patent granted is great, but there are lots of different ways that a patent can turn out to be unenforceable in court.

          • GreenWin

            Reflecting 25 years abject rejection of anything to do with cold fusion – Ian’s enthusiasm is warranted. There are other Rossi patents in process and some well protected trade secrets – which MAY be of broader legal value than patents.

          • telessar

            I think enthusiasm is definitely warranted, but enthusiasm doesn’t call for hyperbole. I honestly think this patent looks pretty good; however, calling it “air-tight” is a little ridiculous.

          • Omega Z

            “There are other Rossi patents in process”

            64 in process according to Rossi on JONP. Not sure how many that actually is. i run out of fingers at 8.

          • Omega Z

            unenforceable in court.

            Usually consists of the other guy having deeper pockets.
            A Path well traveled in the past by Bill Gates & Microsoft.
            In a couple cases, M-Soft merely bleed the competitor to death in court, Then bought them at a nickel having never won the legal battle.

          • telessar

            Absolutely, but the fact that the system is full of **** doesn’t make it less extant. Rossi is going to have to deal with that system, be it wrong or right.

          • Hi All

            In reply to telessar

            Actually, I sort of agree on enforceability. 🙂 it may or may not be enforcible but that is not the purpose. The purpose of the first patent is establishing a claim of prior art excluding others from claiming the same. It is the subsequent patents of smaller aspects that will each be the enforcible patents.

            Rossi has planted the flag, it is a Granted Patent, a done deal, a root patent where every other case has to take place from that point. An inescapable start point.

            This will be a patent war at least as long term and varied as that which characterised the Wright Brothers and Curtis or Edison and Westinghouse or Apple and Erickson. It is going to be about which companies have the most ammunition in terms of multiple patents and the deepest pockets to pay for the lawyers and how long competitors can afford to sit stuck in the courts behind court orders preventing them from selling or developing, paying endless court fines for infringment, while Rossi continues to develop and sell or whether they just have to give up and license from Rossi because it is cheaper.

            Rossi’s first patent is part of a Patent Strategy and a textbook example of how to do it in terms of gaming the appeals process.

            Kind Regards walker

          • telessar

            Hi Walker – it doesn’t really work like that. Patents certainly can be prior art, but so are publications, applications… even uses of the device in public. In general, as soon as an application is published, it is probably either 102(e) or 102(B)(1) prior art as of its filing date. Having an application granted doesn’t change its prior art status – both the application and the patent are prior art.

            It isn’t an “inescapable start point” either. Other patents may be following off of this first one (if Rossi filed a continuation before it was granted), but (1) it is only prior art as to what was described in the specification; and (2) any continuations based on this particular patent will be using the same specification – so you are not going to patent any “smaller aspects” off of this particular patent except as they are already described in the document we have seen.

            Also this is not “gaming the appeals process.” I just looked at the file wrapper for the patent, and there was no appeal involved in this case.

            I appreciate your enthusiasm here, but I don’t really think you have a very strong grasp of patent law – you may not want to make claims about Rossi’s “patent strategy” without doing more research into the nuts and bolts of how patents work.

            As a starting point, if you are interested in seeing what happened during the patent examination process, you can go to “Public PAIR” at the PTO, type in the patent number, and look at the “File Wrapper.” The most interesting things to look at are going to be the “Non-final Rejection” by the examiner and the applicant remarks by Rossi’s lawyer.

            Best,
            Telessar

  • Robyn Wyrick

    Well clearly the USPTO has been hoodwinked by Rossi.

    The same way Darden was, the same way the 3rd party testers were hoodwinked. Damn data! It’s always data with these people.

    We know CF doesn’t work, because only Hot Fusion works. Hot Fusion has been powering our homes for decades.

    Hmmmmm, wait a second. Hold on… That doesn’t sound quite right….

    • Bob Greenyer

      you funny.

      • Robyn Wyrick

        I’m pretty giddy. It’s amazing news!

        • Bob Greenyer

          Yes. Want to test.

          • Robyn Wyrick

            I will have to rely on funny, because I don’t, you know, know any physics. Glad for people like you and the excellent posters here. (Not that you’re all just a bunch of posters. You’re no posters. Very 3d. At least I presume.)

          • Bob Greenyer

            hehe – I am a hologram – like everything else. Prove it is not true

          • Dods

            You Rimmer, we got a cat. Just need a robot and someone called Dave. 🙂

          • Obvious

            About two years ago, I read a report about a CF power cell based on lithium, being designed as tiles. One of the proponents was one of the P & F debunkers, somehow converted in ideology by examination of much more work, and examination of the factors where excess heat was not easily explained. Anyone have any idea who that was? I would like to look at that story again, in light of this patent.

          • GreenWin

            Last I checked, Dave’s not here. But nearby. 🙂

          • TomR

            Bachcole, when Andrea talked kindly about Obama, I knew there had been a change at the upper levels. I think October isn’t out of the picture for the domestic heaters.

          • Bob Greenyer
          • Zack Iszard

            Core temp up to 1220 C, very good agreement between the two heaters. I’m looking forward to seeing this one! When will the test start?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Started – now stopped due to leak detection on the fuel loading end. Going to take down and decide what to do.

          • Jarea1

            so you mean the patent office understood that this boiler from Rossi will work with a chemical reaction through 180 days active… That is a very slow chemical reaction i think, and if you put 1KWh of energy during the 180 days you will have at least 6KWh at the end of the 180days.
            Where is the utility and the new invention for the patent?
            What kind of chemical reaction with the fuel mentioned can last 180days once it is started?, because the key here is that the reaction START and last 180 days and it is controlled during these 180days. Besides, the fuel for that “chemical reaction” is defined and as far as i know the chemical reaction of hydrogen once started is very fast.

          • Timar

            Agreed!

          • Omega Z

            Sorry Charlie
            Many would never see 90 cents a gallon again even if the Oil was free.
            I do recall 30 cents a gallon when I was a teenager. However, our State tax today is around 55 cents plus 18 cents Federal & an additional sales tax included. Not to mention, some Major Metro areas have their own gas tax.

            Everyone knows that Multiple Government entities tax our gas. But most are oblivious to just how much that amounts to when combined. AND Government want’s it that way. For every $1 big oil makes in “profits”, Government make about $10. And this doesn’t all make it to the road funds. Much ends up in general revenue to be spent where ever they choose.

            Additional Government Oil revenues overlooked by the masses. Multimillion dollar leases on Government/public lands whether oil is found or not, Plus 15% of all oil extracted. There have been proposals to raise that to 25%. This goes to general revenue. They would also like to raise the 18 cent Federal tax to at least 30 cents. States will follow suit. We need some transparency. Two digital readouts when filling up. 1 for the cost of gas. 1 displaying all the tax hidden & otherwise. People would be shocked.

            And Sorry again Charlie. LENR wont effect the cost of gas for years to come. But your Utility bill may decline.

          • Obvious

            Ever had a Hurtz Donut?
            A what?…OW!!!
            Hurts don’t it? I guess you’re not a hologram…

          • Mats002

            Cheers Bob! You deserve it!

          • Bob Greenyer

            Thanks – I’ll feel a lot more comfortable the first time we see statistically significant isotopic changes come back to us.

          • bachcole

            Proof: You experience, therefore you are.

            But that does not mean that everything else exists. Only consciousness is real.

          • Doug Cutler

            All off topic but intriguing.

            Of Descartes’ famous line, “I think, therefore I am”, one possibly less ambiguous interpretation, “I’m aware of my own thought processes, therefore I am”.

          • Omega Z

            Only “MY” consciousness is real.
            When I fizzle out, Your ALL going with me.
            Are you scared?
            he he he.

          • GreenWin

            Hey, so am I Bob. But at the moment I’d rather be a hologram than a carbon-based life form trying to swim shark-infested waters!

  • Robyn Wyrick

    Well clearly the USPTO has been hoodwinked by Rossi.

    The same way Darden was, the same way the 3rd party testers were hoodwinked. Damn data! It’s always data with these people.

    We know CF doesn’t work, because only Hot Fusion works. Hot Fusion has been powering our homes for decades.

    Hmmmmm, wait a second. Hold on… That doesn’t sound quite right….

    • Bob Greenyer

      you funny.

      • Robyn Wyrick

        I’m pretty giddy. It’s amazing news!

        • Bob Greenyer

          Yes. Want to test.

          • Robyn Wyrick

            I will have to rely on funny, because I don’t, you know, know any physics. Glad for people like you and the excellent posters here. (Not that you’re all just a bunch of posters. You’re no posters. Very 3d. At least I presume.)

          • Bob Greenyer

            hehe – I am a hologram – like everything else. Prove it is not true

          • Dods

            You Rimmer, we got a cat. Just need a robot and someone called Dave. 🙂

          • GreenWin

            Last I checked, Dave’s not here. But nearby. 🙂

          • Obvious

            Ever had a Hurtz Donut?
            A what?…OW!!!
            Hurts, don’t it? I guess you’re not a hologram…

          • Mats002

            Cheers Bob! You deserve it!

          • Bob Greenyer

            Thanks – I’ll feel a lot more comfortable the first time we see statistically significant isotopic changes come back to us.

          • bachcole

            Proof: You experience, therefore you are.

            But that does not mean that everything else exists. Only consciousness is real.

          • Doug Cutler

            All off topic but intriguing.

            Of Descartes’ famous line, “I think, therefore I am”, one possibly less ambiguous interpretation, “I’m aware of my own thought processes, therefore I am”.

          • bachcole

            Why the “”of my own thought processes” part? I am aware, therefore I am. Descartes was way too much into his head. I guess that’s what happens when one gets lost in thought in an oven. (:->)

          • Omega Z

            Only “MY” consciousness is real.
            When I fizzle out, Your ALL going with me.
            Are you scared?
            he he he.

          • bachcole

            There is no “MY”. There is only consciousness. The body and the finite identity are illusions to be transcended.

          • GreenWin

            Hey, so am I Bob. But at the moment I’d rather be a hologram than a carbon-based life form trying to swim shark-infested waters!

    • telessar

      Rossi didn’t actually claim LENR in the patent, which is why he has the patent right now. (That’s a good thing – it would have been crazy for him to claim LENR… it would have raised a bunch of USPTO hurdles)

      His claims are basically to a thermal regulator using lithium and lithium hydride – the patent says nothing about whether any of this works, BUT if it does work, it looks like a pretty solid start for IP protection.

  • Bob Greenyer

    sorry guys, new bar opened in Brno with free Pilsner beer and food – so I popped out to raise a few free beers for Rossi (suits my budget!)

    What did I miss?

  • Bob Greenyer

    sorry guys, new bar opened in Brno with free Pilsner beer and food – so I popped out to raise a few free beers for Rossi (suits my budget!)

    What did I miss?

  • Bob Greenyer

    Got you – please know that things need to be transported in the responsible and correct way.

    Not like these guys and companies on Ebay.

    http://goo.gl/o5gCO0

  • Robyn Wyrick

    There is no latest news on “Shut Down Rossi” (http://shutdownrossi.com/0-latest-news/) Not much happening out there today.

    • Mats002

      Time to save a copy, might be gone any day now…

      • Bob Greenyer

        does waybackmachine still operate – or is there something similar that we can use to look at an old copy of waybackmachine

        • Owen Geiger

          Sure, just google it.

  • Robyn Wyrick

    There is no latest news on “Shut Down Rossi” (http://shutdownrossi.com/0-latest-news/) Not much happening out there today.

    • Mats002

      Time to save a copy, might be gone any day now…

      • Bob Greenyer

        does waybackmachine still operate – or is there something similar that we can use to look at an old copy of waybackmachine

        • Owen Geiger

          Sure, just google it.

  • telessar

    This appears to be a pretty decent patent, I am pleasantly surprised.

    One thing people might want to keep in mind is that public use or publications prior to one year before the filing could be used to later invalidate the patent.

    So any public tests, youtube videos, public e-mails, etc. before March 14, 2011 that dealt with an lithium/lithium aluminum hydride e-CAT could potentially work against him later. I definitely don’t know the chronology well enough to know when he started working with hydrides, but it might be something to look into or think about.

    • John Littlemist
      • Hi All

        In reply to telessar

        Actually, I sort of agree on enforceability. 🙂 it may or may not be enforcible but that is not the purpose. The purpose of the first patent is establishing a claim of prior art excluding others from claiming the same. It is the subsequent patents of smaller aspects that will each be the enforcible patents.

        Rossi has planted the flag, it is a Granted Patent, a done deal, a root patent where every other case has to take place from that point. An inescapable start point.

        This will be a patent war at least as long term and varied as that which characterised the Wright Brothers and Curtis or Edison and Westinghouse or Apple and Erickson. It is going to be about which companies have the most ammunition in terms of multiple patents and the deepest pockets to pay for the lawyers and how long competitors can afford to sit stuck in the courts behind court orders preventing them from selling or developing, paying endless court fines for infringment, while Rossi continues to develop and sell or whether they just have to give up and license from Rossi because it is cheaper.

        Rossi’s first patent is part of a Patent Strategy and a textbook example of how to do it in terms of gaming the appeals process.

        Kind Regards walker

    • Omega Z

      “when he started working with hydride’s”

      I believe late 2012, early 2013. It was in answer to people who questioned the viability of people having Hydrogen tanks in their residences.

  • telessar

    This appears to be a pretty decent patent, I am pleasantly surprised.

    One thing people might want to keep in mind is that public use or publications prior to one year before the filing could be used to later invalidate the patent.

    So any public tests, youtube videos, public e-mails, etc. before March 14, 2011 that dealt with an lithium/lithium aluminum hydride e-CAT could potentially work against him later. I definitely don’t know the chronology well enough to know when he started working with hydrides, but it might be something to look into or think about.

    • John Littlemist
      • telessar

        Hi John, this references an application disclosing various possible reactions in metal lattices. The date is November of 2011 though, so Rossi can probably swear behind the reference (i.e. – this is probably not prior art to this new patent)

    • Omega Z

      “when he started working with hydride’s”

      I believe late 2012, early 2013. It was in answer to people who questioned the viability of people having Hydrogen tanks in their residences.

  • LION

    This is a most wonderful day indeed, especially for experimentalists, Patent Offices around the world will have to take notice of this precedent. Eugene Mallove would be very Proud and HAPPY, as am I. Well done Andrea Rossi for all your wonderful hard work and persistence. I first went to a Patent attorney in UK in 2001. The granting of Andrea Rossi’s patent has just made life a great deal easier for very many people around the world. THANK YOU Andrea Rossi, may God bless you in your Noble endeavour.

    • GreenWin

      What a lovely post LION. Gene Mallove is, I think, proud of the entire CF/LENR community without whose courage and persistence Dr. Rossi would have no shoulders to stand on.

      “If I have seen further than others, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.” Isaac Newton, alchemist

  • Bob Greenyer

    The second independent tester of the GS3 ash/fuel/Parkhomov powders has confirmed samples will be handed to lab for testing tomorrow.

  • Bob Greenyer

    The second independent tester of the GS3 ash/fuel/Parkhomov powders has confirmed samples will be handed to lab for testing tomorrow.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Points of interest.

    Piantelli says that Palladium works with H2 also in his patent
    Rossi agrees in his patent

    Piantelli says D+D did NOT happen in P&F

    P&F used LiOD as their electrolyte as we reported way back when, we have some of their stock

    You cannot get pure D

    Could it always have been 1H + 7Li that produced P&F 2XHe + XS heat?

    It is COLD, IT IS FUSION, but it is fission and electron capture also.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      But I think John Dash used D2SO4 (sulfuric acid) instead of LiOD as the electrolyte and had positive results. Les Case used deuterium gas with palladium on carbon and had positive results.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Piantelli would say you can’t get pure D

        Palladium and H2 will produce excess anyhow according to Piantelli

        D may also – but not though D+D

        4 X 1H + 12C may lead to 26.7MeV + Alpha

    • Warthog

      Pons and Fleischmann never claimed “D + D” or any other specific reaction sequence. They ALWAYS said “an unknown nuclear reaction”.

      • R101

        Awesome news! Now we need to be able to buy them from our local hardware store.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes

    • builditnow

      Bob, I called Alan in Santa Cruz about the lithium. He appreciates your enthusiasm, and, … is proceeding with his planned replication of Parkomov using the fuel provided by Parkomov. He said he may also use Parkomov’s fuel in the test after this one (but you have a chance to discuss that … don’t you … 🙂 ).

      I’m connecting Alan with some locals interested in LENR, some have university / NASA links and could help with the lithium and other things. Also talked to Skip who is visiting Alan.

      I’m starting my gas fired air cooled furnace system. Preliminary test of the mini furnace successful. Lots more to do to build, automation, cooling system, temperature measurement systems, reactors.

      • ecatworld

        I wonder what the patent officer thought of this part:

        Once the reaction sequence is initiated, the voltage source 33 can be turned off, as the reaction sequence is self-sustaining. However, the reaction rate may not be constant. Hence, it may be desirable to turn on the voltage source 33 at certain times to reinvigorate the reaction. To determine whether or not the voltage source 33 should be turned on, the temperature sensor 37 provides a signal to the controller 35, which then determines whether or not to apply a voltage in response to the temperature signal. It has been found that after the reaction has generated approximately 6 kilowatt hours of energy, it is desirable to apply approximately 1 kilowatt hour of electrical energy to reinvigorate the reaction sequence.

        • Robyn Wyrick

          Nice find.

        • Enrique Ferreyra

          “write it in a way that say that you are just burning a fuel”

          • Ted-X

            The weakest part of the Rossi’s patent will show up if nobody “skilled in the art” could reproduce the effect based on Rossi’s description. “Reproducibility based on the description” is an important validating factor for patents. If the invention can not be reproduced by those “skilled in the art”, such an invention/disclosure becomes invalid as a patent.

          • Jarea1

            understood. However, this is like catch22 if you cannot put in the patent that it is cold fusion and you need to show them that is fusion. Besides, Rossi has already tried before with previous similar patents including nuclear wording.
            I cannot understand why this patent is still accepted when as you said the patent is open to misinterpretations in the utility. If you interpreted in that way (verly slow chemical in 180days), then the utility is not clear enough and must be specified. I thought that the utility must to be clear so that they replicators can point to the correct way.
            In my opinion, the patent office should enforce to put clearly that the energy density as you suggest delivered by he boiler is chemical or nuclear. It must be specified to clarify the utility of the invention. The patent doesn’t specify, it could be as you say (only once or two times the 6KWh) or it could be as Rossi has showed us before in previous patents, the 24hours 7 days week on providing that power. Currently, i think that the patent office must be informed about what Rossi is trying to patent so i think they are not so stupid.
            Why was not rejected if that was not clear?. What should the people try to replicate a very slow chemical device or what Rossi has always showed us before?
            In other words, what is the patent office protecting with this IP? Is protecting a way to create a cold fusion reaction or a strange way to deliver energy in a very slow way.
            Suppose it is cold fusion, will still this protect the IP?
            Suppose that the patent office didn’t see a hot nuclear device but a chemical reactor. Did they do a good job by approving this patent without enforcing clarity after so many other patents coming from him?

        • clovis ray

          Hi,Frank,
          most observant. more excellent info for replicators,

          • psi2u2

            Its true that I did say that he joined the board because he was convinced by the science. I stand corrected, and so should you.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes – not likely to stop that work in progress – calibration now done and looking good.

        Nainoa Mariner on our Facebook says you can get lithium foil from standard Lithium Polymer AA batteries

        http://www.doitpoms.ac.uk/tlplib/batteries/figures/LiPoly_sml.png

        • Obvious

          Oh, here we go…
          and “NiMH” from those batteries… maybe even with some NiH39.4 if you are lucky…

        • John

          Congratulations mr. Andrea Rossi ! Bravo ! . I think all kind of comments can take place here and we talked about this months ago, but is always good to remember. When the piezo inkjet system was created and Hewlett Packard took control of it they licensed thousands of manufacturer to start building revolutionary technologies that never ends, now they are printing Oled screens and organs, God knows the future… I think is the same Leonardo and IH will do right now with E-cat, the difference is such e-cat technology will change the life as we know it and is already changing the oil based economies. Looks like the big players of the economy knew already that this patent was in process and it was impossible to deny it’s implications and looks like all what is happening in the economics and stock markets, oil prices is related to it. Maybe I’m daydreaming ? What will be the next movements after successful replications ? Were can we find more info about future implications of this technology? Is China knowing already that manufacturing will come back to USA and Europe due to energy low prices and the stock markets are shaking? What happens if Russia becomes a Key player in this E-Cat technology?

          • John

            Telling myself. Funny Thing is that Bill Gates and other billionaires lost from Monday until today something like 20 billion dollars in stock markets. Can you imagine all this money not being played in casinos like wall street and Shanghai and applied to this new technology ? And Rossi had to sell his house to build it. Unbelievable !

          • GordonDocherty

            True, I got ahead of myself – the patented device is for the release of hydrogen from Lithium Aluminum Hydride in the presence of a nickel catalyst and heat. The reaction is exothermic and is (almost) self sustaining. It is, in other words, a device for producing hydrogen + heat in a controlled manner over a sustained period. The heat is carried away, the hydrogen appears to remain in-situ. For anyone wishing to load a Nickel lattice with Hydrogen in a controlled manner, this is a neat trick. In such a configuration, any transmutation of Lithium would come as a surprise indeed.

          • mcloki

            What this really means is inexpensive heat and electricity for a large percentage of the worlds population. This tech should be able to raise the standard of living for Billions of people worldwide. Africa, Generating prosperity for many. That’s the great part. It’s a new Industrial revolution. This time not powered by Coal.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Points of interest.

    Piantelli says that Palladium works with H2 also in his patent
    Rossi agrees in his patent

    Piantelli says D+D did NOT happen in P&F

    P&F used LiOD as their electrolyte as we reported way back when, we have some of their stock

    You cannot get pure D

    Could it always have been 1H + 7Li that produced P&F 2XHe + XS heat?

    It is COLD, IT IS FUSION, but it is fission and electron capture also.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      But I think John Dash used D2SO4 (sulfuric acid) instead of LiOD as the electrolyte and had positive results. Les Case used deuterium gas with palladium on carbon and had positive results.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Piantelli would say you can’t get pure D

        Palladium and H2 will produce excess anyhow according to Piantelli

        D may also – but not though D+D

        4 X 1H + 12C may lead to 26.7MeV + Alpha

    • Warthog

      Pons and Fleischmann never claimed “D + D” or any other specific reaction sequence. They ALWAYS said “an unknown nuclear reaction”.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes

    • builditnow

      Bob, I called Alan in Santa Cruz about the lithium. He appreciates your enthusiasm, and, … is proceeding with his planned replication of Parkomov using the fuel provided by Parkomov. He said he may also use Parkomov’s fuel in the test after this one (but you have a chance to discuss that … don’t you … 🙂 ).

      I’m connecting Alan with some locals interested in LENR, some have university / NASA links and could help with the lithium and other things. Also talked to Skip who is visiting Alan.

      I’m starting my gas fired air cooled furnace system. Preliminary test of the mini furnace successful. Lots more to do to build, automation, cooling system, temperature measurement systems, reactors.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes – not likely to stop that work in progress – calibration now done and looking good.

        Nainoa Mariner on our Facebook says you can get lithium foil from standard Lithium Polymer AA batteries

        http://www.doitpoms.ac.uk/tlplib/batteries/figures/LiPoly_sml.png

        • Obvious

          Oh, here we go…
          and “NiMH” from those batteries… maybe even with some NiH39.4 if you are lucky…

    • colodude

      also, neutron transport, to be sure, given the isotopic shifts in the ash. Don’t know about fission. The Aluminum, nickel and Lithium aren’t broken down, but the isotopic ratios for each element are definitely altered and this looks like the primary source of the excess energy released.

  • Hi all

    In reply to telessar

    It is a Patent. It has been Granted. Therefore it is airtight.

    Kind Regards walker

  • Nigel Appleton

    “However, it has been found that a suitable mixture would include a starting mixture of 50% nickel, 20% lithium, and 30% LAH [lithium aluminum hydride].”

    Interesting wording. Suggests to me that this might be a working but not optimum fuel mixture

    • telessar

      This is pretty normal patent language – you never want to say the mixture is exactly X, Y, Z in the specification because it can limit the scope of the claims you can make.

      • TPaign

        Wow

        • Omega Z

          unenforceable in court.

          Usually consists of the other guy having deeper pockets.
          A Path well traveled in the past by Bill Gates & Microsoft.
          In a couple cases, M-Soft merely bleed the competitor to death in court, Then bought them at a nickel having never won the legal battle.

          • Billy Jackson

            absolutely stunned. i find myself with a set of mixed emotions.. one is the anger for all the wasted time.. that i will let go as i can.. the other is elation at finally it begins!

      • Heath

        I am very happy about this. Believing that the patent was rejected and that the testing would proceed into 2016, I was a little disheartened by things. But wow.

    • Obvious

      Yep. Keys to the car, but just the restricted horsepower valet keys.

    • Skip

      By mass? By volume?

  • Nigel Appleton

    “However, it has been found that a suitable mixture would include a starting mixture of 50% nickel, 20% lithium, and 30% LAH [lithium aluminum hydride].”

    Interesting wording. Suggests to me that this might be a working but not optimum fuel mixture

    • telessar

      This is pretty normal patent language – you never want to say the mixture is exactly X, Y, Z in the specification because it can limit the scope of the claims you can make.

    • Obvious

      Yep. Keys to the car, but just the restricted horsepower valet keys.

    • Skip

      By mass? By volume?

      • colodude

        Based on many earlier articles, I’d say by equation balancing. As a practical matter, I’d assume by mass based on the solids involved.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Fantastic. With patent protection it will really take off.

    PS
    Thanks for nothing MSM.
    http://img.gauraw.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/3-Monkeys-Example-For-Living-In-Denial.jpg

    • Omega Z

      Alan
      May I ask you were you obtained a picture of my 2 brothers & I.

      By the way, I have a 3rd brother who was behind the camera.
      I wont tell you what he was doing but, I’m the one with my eyes covered.
      The pervert…

      You know what they say.
      You can choose your friends.
      You can’t choose your family.
      But I’m sure I was adopted. 🙂

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Actually, the chimpanzees were from this program. They were given even larger food pellets if they could learn and then quickly ignore things that are alternatives to a carbon tax. But surprisingly in this case, they weren’t as quick as the humans they tested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPiDHXtM0VA

    • LilyLover

      MSM Attitude:
      • We speak nothing good.
      • We see nothing good.
      • We hear nothing good.
      Yet, if good befalls upon ours senses, we ignore.
      🙂

      • TomR

        When Andrea talked about it on JONP he compared Obama to Abraham Lincoln, in that a lot people didn’t like him when he was in office. I was surprised that some people didn’t complain about what he said. I like it when he talks about what he believes and his faith in God.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Fantastic. With patent protection it will really take off.

    PS
    Thanks for nothing MSM.
    http://img.gauraw.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/3-Monkeys-Example-For-Living-In-Denial.jpg

    • Omega Z

      Alan
      May I ask you were you obtained a picture of my 2 brothers & I.

      By the way, I have a 3rd brother who was behind the camera.
      I wont tell you what he was doing but, I’m the one with my eyes covered.
      The pervert…

      You know what they say.
      You can choose your friends.
      You can’t choose your family.
      But I’m sure I was adopted. 🙂

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Actually, the chimpanzees were from this program. They were given even larger food pellets if they could learn and then quickly ignore things that are alternatives to a carbon tax. But surprisingly in this case, they weren’t as quick as the humans they tested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPiDHXtM0VA

    • LilyLover

      MSM Attitude:
      • We speak nothing good.
      • We see nothing good.
      • We hear nothing good.
      Yet, if good befalls upon ours senses, we ignore.
      🙂

  • Obvious

    About two years ago, I read a report about a CF power cell based on lithium, being designed as tiles. One of the proponents was one of the P & F debunkers, somehow converted in ideology by examination of much more work, and examination of the factors where excess heat was not easily explained. Anyone have any idea who that was? I would like to look at that story again, in light of this patent.
    Edit: Seems to be Zawodny-Widom-Larsen

  • SG

    Rossi’s patent being discussed on the /technology sub of reddit. Go easy on them since this whole topic is new to many of them.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/3idc9s/us_patent_issued_today_for_fluid_heater/

    • GreenWin

      Not worth the time. Just rank and file skeps bearing remarkable resemblance to Alan DeAngeles’ photo link below.

      • SG

        Not all, albeit many of them. People can be persuaded. For LENR devices to eventually be widely embraced, basic LENR concepts must first be widely adopted. It is worthwhile to introduce the topic to others who only have a vague notion of what it might be, if that.

      • uDevil

        Brian Josephson is getting involved on the wikipedia talk page for the e-cat. He wants to add a reference to the USPTO patent. A usually antagonistic editor agrees it is ok with only a passing negative remark. Other users then chime as usual… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Energy_Catalyzer

        • Robyn Wyrick

          Wow, what a bunch of aholes. I have never read that page before. just brutal.

        • Yesterday I tried to add the reference to the german wikipedia article, but was rejected because “patents are irrelevant”…

          But the patent rejection of the european patent office is mentioned in all it’s detailes!!

          What an oppinion making censoring…

        • Omega Z

          In the Wiki discussions it indicates that the patent says nothing about over-unity(OU):
          It in fact doesn’t claim over-unity, but having only skimmed it, I do recall it stated that it produces 6 times power out as in.

          For Real. It is not (OU), it consumes fuel. It is no different in that respect then my truck. Rossi just doesn’t use gasoline. He uses Ni / Li / H

          It also questions the Industrial heat connection(Not on the patent) of which we know was not involved at the time this patent was filed.
          Would be nice to be able to pass on these tidbits to Brian Josephson for his efforts. However, I doubt it will get added regardless.

        • Jarea1

          My god what a bunch of biased ashol… Why dont they try to remain on facts? why dont they try to describe the ECAT using references and objective descriptions? They are blocking facts, just by saying that it could be a fraud?. That option is irrelevant because a fact is a fact. If that wikipedia master is right, and it turns out that it is a fraud, then the patent would still be there and must be described in the article. WTF. Blocking the facts goes against the rules of wikipedia as by blocking or hiding information they are introducing their personal view in the article. Fairness please.

  • SG

    Rossi’s patent being discussed on the /technology sub of reddit. Go easy on them since this whole topic is new to many of them.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/3idc9s/us_patent_issued_today_for_fluid_heater/

    • GreenWin

      Not worth the time. Just rank and file skeps bearing remarkable resemblance to Alan DeAngeles’ photo link below.

      • SG

        Not all, albeit many of them. People can be persuaded. For LENR devices to eventually be widely embraced, basic LENR concepts must first be widely adopted. It is worthwhile to introduce the topic to others who only have a vague notion of what it might be, if that.

  • TPaign

    Wow

  • GreenWin

    What a lovely post LION. Gene Mallove is, I think, proud of the entire CF/LENR community without whose courage and persistence Dr. Rossi would have no shoulders to stand on.

    “If I have seen further than others, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.” Isaac Newton, alchemist

  • ecatworld

    I wonder what the patent officer thought of this part:

    Once the reaction sequence is initiated, the voltage source 33 can be turned off, as the reaction sequence is self-sustaining. However, the reaction rate may not be constant. Hence, it may be desirable to turn on the voltage source 33 at certain times to reinvigorate the reaction. To determine whether or not the voltage source 33 should be turned on, the temperature sensor 37 provides a signal to the controller 35, which then determines whether or not to apply a voltage in response to the temperature signal. It has been found that after the reaction has generated approximately 6 kilowatt hours of energy, it is desirable to apply approximately 1 kilowatt hour of electrical energy to reinvigorate the reaction sequence.

    • Owen Geiger

      I’m stunned really. I just found this story and am trying to catch up. Rossi and IH must have shown them very compelling evidence to get the patent. Maybe they gave the patent office a tour and showed them the data from the ongoing test of the plant?

      • SG

        Now, down the rabbit hole. 🙂

      • Rob Lewis

        Not really true. The Patent Office has neither the desire nor the capability to verify that inventions work as claimed. For evidence, see the many patents on perpetual motion machines.

  • Frank Acland

    I wonder what the patent officer thought of this part:

    Once the reaction sequence is initiated, the voltage source 33 can be turned off, as the reaction sequence is self-sustaining. However, the reaction rate may not be constant. Hence, it may be desirable to turn on the voltage source 33 at certain times to reinvigorate the reaction. To determine whether or not the voltage source 33 should be turned on, the temperature sensor 37 provides a signal to the controller 35, which then determines whether or not to apply a voltage in response to the temperature signal. It has been found that after the reaction has generated approximately 6 kilowatt hours of energy, it is desirable to apply approximately 1 kilowatt hour of electrical energy to reinvigorate the reaction sequence.

    • Robyn Wyrick

      Nice find.

    • Enrique Ferreyra

      “write it in a way that say that you are just burning a fuel”

    • bachcole

      That actually made me laugh. Perhaps the workers in the patent office are not talking to each other and the COP = 6 (only during the reinvigoration period) didn’t jerk him awake from his sitting position nap.

    • bachcole

      It seems to me that the COP is way above 6 since it is 6 only during the reinvigoration periods, but it would be like infinity during the self-sustain periods.

      • Jimmy Hoffa

        The way I read it, after 6 kilowatt hours of free or self sustained energy, you have to recharge it with 1 kilowatt hour of externally supplied electricity. In other words, 6 only costs you 1. If that’s the case then perpetual motion is a reality. Is that how you’re reading it?

    • clovis ray

      Hi,Frank,
      most observant. more excellent info for replicators,

  • ecatworld

    But he does claim that the system self-sustains and is able to produce 6 times as much energy as it consumes.

    • telessar

      Right, but a chemical reaction could easily self-sustain and produce 6 times the energy it consumes. I didn’t see anything in the specification that would suggest it was a nuclear reaction.

      For clarity – I think it is nuclear (if it actually works), but the patent is written to gloss over that part (which I think was a really good call by the patent attorney).

      • Omega Z

        telessar, I agree.

        I apply electricity, That starts the reaction, that consumes fuel, producing Much more energy then I applied.
        I then backed out of my driveway & went grocery shopping.

        The difference is Rossi is using a different type of fuel that apparently fuses rather then combustion. LENR…

        I’ve pointed out before to those who associate this with OU devices. It is not OU. It is merely E=mc^2

        NOTE: Rossi does detail a radiation shield in one of the devices.

      • Jarea1

        I think that nuclear is implicit because,
        first, it is not possible to store a chemical fuel in the device dimensions mentioned in the patent. It is also not mention an exterior storage tank.
        Second, it mentions that the fuel is Hydrogen with the Catalist nickel or any other element of the column 10 (periodic table). Hydrogen can burn but again inside of that device with all the pressure you want you will never have a COP 6 if that is not nuclear.

  • Heath

    I am very happy about this. Believing that the patent was rejected and that the testing would proceed into 2016, I was a little disheartened by things. But wow.

  • Billy Jackson

    absolutely stunned. i find myself with a set of mixed emotions.. one is the anger for all the wasted time.. that i will let go as i can.. the other is elation at finally it begins!

  • uDevil

    Brian Josephson is getting involved on the wikipedia talk page for the e-cat. He wants to add a reference to the USPTO patent. A usually antagonistic editor agrees it is ok with only a passing negative remark. Other users then chime as usual… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Energy_Catalyzer

    • Robyn Wyrick

      Wow, what a bunch of aholes. I have never read that page before. just brutal.

    • Yesterday I tried to add the reference to the german wikipedia article, but was rejected because “patents are irrelevant”…

      But the patent rejection of the european patent office is mentioned in all it’s detailes!!

      What an oppinion making censoring…

    • Omega Z

      In the Wiki discussions it indicates that the patent says nothing about over-unity(OU):
      It in fact doesn’t claim over-unity, but having only skimmed it, I do recall it stated that it produces 6 times power out as in.

      For Real. It is not (OU), it consumes fuel. It is no different in that respect then my truck. Rossi just doesn’t use gasoline. He uses Ni / Li / H

      It also questions the Industrial heat connection(Not on the patent) of which we know was not involved at the time this patent was filed.
      Would be nice to be able to pass on these tidbits to Brian Josephson for his efforts. However, I doubt it will get added regardless.

    • Jarea

      My god what a bunch of biased asshol… Why dont they try to remain on facts? why dont they try to describe the ECAT using references and objective descriptions?
      They are blocking important facts, and they argument is that it could be a fraud?. That option is irrelevant because a fact is a fact.
      If the wikipedia master is right, (and it turns out that it is a fraud), then the patent would still be a fact and must be described in the article. WTF. Blocking the facts goes against the rules of wikipedia because blocking or hiding information means they are introducing their personal view in the article. Fairness please.

  • mcloki

    The next month should see every “new energy and hot fusion scientist and research team sending out press releases talking about “verge of breakthrough, calls for more funding” press releases. Watch the scrambling to secure future funding heat up.

    • bachcole

      I guarantee it.

  • Robyn Wyrick

    In 2014 NASA held a presentation by Doug Wells from NASA Langley Research Center on LENR Aircraft (https://connect.arc.nasa.gov/p1zygzm2h3i/?launcher=false&fcsContent=true&pbMode=normal).

    Doug presents a large body of recommendations for how to use LENR (Cold Fusion) in aircraft from ever-flying docking stations to space rockets.

    If you watch that presentation to the end, they have a question and answer section. At 32:31 minutes the first question states: “The presentation is made with the assumption that LENR is real and that it can be applied in aerospace. What is the basis for this assumption?”

    And everybody steps in to say, essentially, “there is nothing to report at this time.”

    Well, I bet they have something to report now.

  • Robyn Wyrick

    In 2014 NASA held a presentation by Doug Wells from NASA Langley Research Center on LENR Aircraft (https://connect.arc.nasa.gov/p1zygzm2h3i/?launcher=false&fcsContent=true&pbMode=normal).

    Doug presents a large body of recommendations for how to use LENR (Cold Fusion) in aircraft from ever-flying docking stations to space rockets.

    If you watch that presentation to the end, they have a question and answer section. At 32:31 minutes the first question states: “The presentation is made with the assumption that LENR is real and that it can be applied in aerospace. What is the basis for this assumption?”

    And everybody steps in to say, essentially, “there is nothing to report at this time.”

    Well, I bet they have something to report now.

  • LCD

    Why did he claim the nickel is not a reagent but just a catalyst when there is clearly an isotopic shift?

    Not sure I get that.

    • US_Citizen71

      The shifts may not be that clear cut, small samples after all. The shifts may just be due to natural variation of isotopes concentrated by random chance or some process of the reactor causing it to separate them by weight like uranium enrichment does. Or they are only the smallest fraction of what is going on inside the reactor. Only the future will tell.

      • LCD

        Statistically that doesn’t seem possible right. If it was randomly chosen from a powder?

        Maybe he limited the disclosure to chemical reactions avoiding all nuclear level stuff. After all nobody really has a solid understanding of that yet.

        • SG

          I wonder the same. Bear in mind this patent application was filed before the Lugano effort. No doubt some enlightenment has happened since its filing.

          • LCD

            That’s a great point SG. Thinking about it now Rossi did mention that adding the higher Ni isotope helped but even he was unaware of the isotopic shifts.

        • US_Citizen71

          Not probable but possible for random chance to come into play. We also do not know about contaminants inside the Lugano Reactor. Then there is the sample size of one test reactor and one sampling before and after the test. As hard as it may be we have to keep an open mind until there is more data.

          • Omega Z

            In the Lugano test, they couldn’t account for all the energy produced by the isotopic shift. So possibly this is secondary. Similar to when Focardi & Rossi determined the copper was secondary or contamination.

            Of course, this was also filed before the Lugano test. Thus Rossi may not have (In fact his JONP surprise) known this when filing.

        • clovis ray

          I agree,
          Nothing i have seen, proves that anything, atomic is going on, only assumptions. maybe only as a side affect, but not the main reaction.
          as has always been the case, surface area, and preparation of the ni is key, my guess would be that cryogenics, and crushing, is one of the processes of preparation, i have said before that the wafer would be the best design, and was in one of Dr. Rossi first devices,

      • Bob Greenyer

        we are testing fuel and ash at multiple sites from mixed ash from post reactor runs – all ash will be retained. Any interesting runs can have balance tested for full assay if deemed necessary.

    • Obvious

      Perhaps the nickel is just a placeholder for the extra neutrons. You fill them up, then SSM them out. If you run the device at full throttle for a month with no SSM, like Lugano, then the nickel becomes very full…

      • Bob Greenyer

        1H + 7Li >>> 2 He (through intermediaries + release of energy) – no need for neutrons

    • Bob Greenyer

      Pre-Lugano.

      If 62Ni, then I would think the statement holds true. It also holds true if you JUST refer to it as Ni.

  • R101

    Awesome news! Now we need to be able to buy them from our local hardware store.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Nainoa Mariner on our Facebook says you can get lithium foil from standard Lithium Polymer AA batteries

    http://www.doitpoms.ac.uk/tlplib/batteries/figures/LiPoly_sml.png

    • Timar

      Now if Alan could grind up the foil from such a battery and put the nickle powder into the oven for a few hours at 200°C (as Parkhomov did), we may have the first active run tomorrow clearly showing excess heat!

      • Bob Greenyer

        Steven Krivit posted for the first time in ages – to say the japanese government are re-starting long stalled funding for LENR research

        • Jarea1

          i can only say this: hahahahaha XD

        • Jarea1

          But how can you have a COP of 6 (1kw in and 6 kw out) during 180 days in that device dimensions?. Which chemical reaction can provide that amount of energy?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Alan is going to bake the Nickel as per Parkhomov’s instructions – but no Lithium in todays/tomorrows run, not practical – and we do need to confirm if Parkhomov could see excess.

        • Bob Greenyer

          They may be best placed. IMPO Rossi/IH should licence to everyone – that is the fastest capitalist way to get this out to everyone, if they don’t they will FORCE people to create competitive variations and for india and China to do compulsory licensing.

          • Jarea1

            I have basic question. Is this patent an international patent or is it just valid for US?. I know he had a patent only in Italy. Unfortunately, that patent was only valid for Italy.
            Now, he has a patent in the US, but does it mean that having a patent for US it is also accepted in the rest of the world?
            Could somebody clarify it?
            thanks

          • Rob Lewis

            A U.S. patent is only valid in the U.S. Europe has a “patent cooperation treaty” (name?) that lets a single application cover multiple countries. Not sure about the rest of the world. Of course, some countries (I’m looking at you, China) take a notoriously lax view of patent rights.
            Securing worldwide patents is time-consuming and expensive.

          • Zack Iszard

            At the end of the day, your products only have to be cheaper to buy and use than to reverse engineer and counter-patent. That’s been IH’s stated goal all along. With a granted patent, the cost barrier to reverse engineering and marketing a variant just went WAY up. Lawyers like their luxury goods!

            I agree that China is the biggest gaping hole in the issue, a place where brand identity matter little, and product safety is foregone for the sake of cost-cutting. If it is possible for LENR to be hazardous by ionizing radiation, an IH competitor based in China will find out, via angry calls from cancer-ridden customers.

            I apologize to any from/living in China for these stereotypes, but the unmitigated industrial chemical hazards per capita combined with an unmatched behemoth of a national production capacity make me concerned. Let’s hope Rossi is thoroughly correct about his sort of LENR being intrinsically safe.

          • Zack Iszard

            …brand identity matters* little…

          • it seems Chinese people themselves start to be worried by their own behavior. I bet they will fix it.

            http://viewhk.blogspot.fr/2015/08/a-chinese-entrepreneurs-rude-awakening.html

          • Omega Z

            Yes, China is starting to take IP serious.
            Now that they are starting to accumulate IP themselves it becomes a concern. Outsiders could claim turn around being fair play..

          • Omega Z

            Rossi could have filed internationally from the start, But, His patent application would have been published(Made Public) within 18 months after filing. It would also have drawn it out over a longer period & all fees & additional fees required over time would have been substantially more expensive. Even if said patent was never granted.

            Having been Accepted & granted by the USPTO will pave the way for international patents. Having a U.S. patent makes all others more or less a rubber stamp process as long as you pay the up front fees.

            Note: Rossi rescinded the non publish status of his patent which is required for him to file for foreign patents. I believe this is required 45 days before he can file in other countries.

            Note: Rossi paid a fee for a non publish request. A non publish status kept this out of the public view(Thus the info contained within.) until he new it would be granted.

            There are several caveats to this. Had you built & used Rossi’s device before it was published, Rossi would have had no recourse. After being published he could only ask you to cease & desist without any penalties for your prior use.

            I believe One could obtain penalties for prior use if you proved they stole it. That can be hard to prove unless you were silly enough to have the original blue prints in your possession.

        • Timar

          That makes sense when using Parkhomov’s LiAlH4 – which may be “contaminated” with elemental Li.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Al in some senses is a moderator as it stays in the bound mixed solution on the Ni – but by having more air in the cell – more Al will be sequestered chemically increasing the free Li. SiO2 in Mullite will also enable this.

    • Nigel Appleton

      True – but care needed. It’s quite tricky to dismantle these batteries without shorting them out,and a small explosion COULD happen

      It’s desirable not to expose the Li metal to air more than necessary, because it reacts quickly with moist air,and tarnishes heavily. It’s a good idea to plunge the foil into petroleum jelly. Or mineral oil – but Li floats in oil

      Also take care not to get a lithium ion battery – there ain’t no Li foil in ’em

      • Zack Iszard

        There isn’t an inert liquid solvent I can think of that’s less dense than lithium at 0.54 g/mL. You could get fancy with Xe or SF6 gas in a large plastic bucket to maintain an inert blanket, but a basic biosafety hood with continuous positive nitrogen pressure would do a pretty good job. This is the sort of thing that some folks might already have on hand, in order to safely and efficiently handle LAH.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Nainoa Mariner on our Facebook says you can get lithium foil from standard Lithium Polymer AA batteries

    http://www.doitpoms.ac.uk/tlplib/batteries/figures/LiPoly_sml.png

    • gerald

      Don’t kill any Rc equipment when harvesting..

    • gerald

      After making a joke on lipo’s the thought extended a little but who could create the wafers in mass production? Could it not be a easy product for a battery factory like Tesla is building right now?

      • Bob Greenyer

        They may be best placed. IMPO Rossi/IH should licence to everyone – that is the fastest capitalist way to get this out to everyone, if they don’t they will FORCE people to create competitive variations and for india and China to do compulsory licensing.

    • Timar

      Now if Alan could grind up the foil from such a battery and put the nickle powder into the oven for a few hours at 200°C (as Parkhomov did), we may have the first active run tomorrow clearly showing excess heat!

      • Bob Greenyer

        Alan is going to bake the Nickel as per Parkhomov’s instructions – but no Lithium in todays/tomorrows run, not practical – and we do need to confirm if Parkhomov could see excess.

        • Timar

          That makes sense when using Parkhomov’s LiAlH4 – which may be “contaminated” with elemental Li.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Al in some senses is a moderator as it stays in the bound mixed solution on the Ni – but by having more air in the cell – more Al will be sequestered chemically increasing the free Li. SiO2 in Mullite will also enable this.

    • Nigel Appleton

      True – but care needed. It’s quite tricky to dismantle these batteries without shorting them out,and a small explosion COULD happen

      It’s desirable not to expose the Li metal to air more than necessary, because it reacts quickly with moist air,and tarnishes heavily. It’s a good idea to plunge the foil into petroleum jelly. Or mineral oil – but Li floats in oil

      Also take care not to get a lithium ion battery – there ain’t no Li foil in ’em

      • Zack Iszard

        There isn’t an inert liquid solvent I can think of that’s less dense than lithium at 0.54 g/mL. You could get fancy with Xe or SF6 gas in a large plastic bucket to maintain an inert blanket, but a basic biosafety hood with continuous positive nitrogen pressure would do a pretty good job. This is the sort of thing that some folks might already have on hand, in order to safely and efficiently handle LAH.

  • Jimmy Hoffa

    I caution restraint. Before I break out the box of wine, I want to hear what Mary Yugo has to say about this development. I know, I know, you hate MaryYugo but she has called it right every time up till now so let’s see what she makes of this. I would also like to get Steven Krivit’s take on this as well. I’m not sure where to look for the snake in the grass here, but until Mary Yugo and Steven Krivit, give their blessing, I’m going to reserve judgement no matter how many patents Rossi gets.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Steven Krivit posted for the first time in ages – to say the japanese government are re-starting long stalled funding for LENR research

      • Jarea

        i can only say this: hahahahaha XD

    • timycelyn

      “…. called it right every time?” BS. Mary (or is it George Hody or Al Potenza? I get lost in all the nom de plumes, there’s half a dozen at least) is a past master of innuendo and misrepresentation. Personally, I wouln’t believe him if he told me it was raining outside….

      As for Krivit – well, words fail me.

      • Jimmy Hoffa

        Opinions are like you know what, everybody has one. I have a different experience with those two then you do so I’ll stand by my position and wait to see what they have to say before getting on the band wagon.

        • timycelyn

          To each his own, but – good luck with that.

        • GreenWin

          Hey Jim. Where you buried these days? Heh heh.

          • Jimmy Hoffa

            You know man, I just cruise the internets here and there, looking for weakness, challenge and the occasional laugh. I was having a great time over at “Greater Things” tormenting Sterling Allan until he finally banned me.

          • bachcole

            What a sore loser!!!!!

            Notice how the Internet forums are sort of a meritocracy. Frank rules because he has the gumption and the intelligence to build and run a website. If I don’t like his governance, I can go to another meritocracy run by someone else, who rules.

          • Jimmy Hoffa

            You lost me with “What a sore loser!!!!!” And the talk about meritocracy and gumption. Man I have no idea what you’re trying to say.

        • bachcole

          Some opinions are closer to “reality” than others since some people have more experience than others and have more expertise than others for a given subject. I have never seen “Jimmy Hoffa” around here. Tell us about your experience, ideas, and background and perhaps we will be able to assess the value of your opinion.

          • Jimmy Hoffa

            Actually, I think you channeled my thoughts exactly when it comes to the relative value of opinions. I have to confess, when it comes to understanding the science of LENR, my opinion is of questionable value. Maybe that’s why when news first came out about Rossi’s e-cat, I jumped on it like a drowning man on a life raft. I was so excited. I felt like one of the first guys who was really in the know about the new fire. As guys like Edmund Storms, McKrubie, the Navy, no less, and others piled on, my excitement only grew and I became certain that a new day was at hand. Of course, as time passed and Rossi started spinning wild yarns about factories being built and other vapor ware, I started considering the possibility that my initial enthusiasm may need to be tempered. I can’t remember the guys name who is teaching LENR at that Ivy league school but developments like that were enough to keep the flame of interest burning even as I came to accept the fact that Rossi is a con artist. Enter maryyugo. At first, I hated maryyugo. But eventually it dawned on me that everything she said was coming true. Remember when that instrument maker highlighted LENR at that conference a year or so ago and Celini, I think it was, put on a display of a allegedly, working LENR device? Well maryyugo was having none of it and her critique of the demonstration was so perceptive that to my knowledge, the working model hasn’t been put on display since. In any case, I started researching everything maryyugo said about the subject going back to the beginning and slowly I had to conclude that it was a scam, that people were seeing what they wanted to see, even very smart and very qualified people. So now I’m back to square one. And you know what, that’s a good thing in retrospect. If indeed we were so unfortunate as to develop a way to get massive amounts of energy from very little input at next to nothing in terms of cost, it would most likely be the final nail in the coffin of civilization. All species populate up to and slightly in excess of the available food supply. Btw, that’s not my insight, that’s Plato. So anyway if costs of energy dropped by orders of magnitude, instead of 7 billion people crowding out every other living thing on this old rock, there would be 70 billion. And I for one don’t want to live in that world. Thank God I don’t have to worry too much about it because I am on the downward slope in terms of age. I’m in my early 60’s, retired. I do hold a B.S. degree as well as an M.A. and not to brag but I did score in the 98th percentile on the GRE at least on the verbal portion; which is supposed to suggtest to potential employers that I have the capacity to understand complex dynamics and make good decisions. I’m not going to tell you what I scored on the math portion of the test because my score sucked. As for my science education: Now we’re looking at ancient history. But I did take biology and chemistry in high school; who didn’t right? And I took them again as an undergraduate in college. I’ve never taken physics, but I think I understand the basics through my own self inflicted efforts. If your goal was to diminish the value of my opinion through a review of my resume, then mission accomplished. On the other hand, my opinion, like the part of my anatomy I referenced in an earlier post, remains mine, and I guess I’ll defend it with the few intellectual tools I have at my disposal. So bachcole, if in your mind, I haven’t completely disqualified myself as a person worthy of inclusion in this discussion, I stand ready to defend my opinion with the same rigor as the felon in prison, who while in the shower, realizes that in order to pick up the soap he just dropped, he will indeed have to bend over, and possibly have to defend the integrity of his nether regions. lol

  • Bob Greenyer
    • Zack Iszard

      Core temp up to 1220 C, very good agreement between the two heaters. I’m looking forward to seeing this one! When will the test start?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Started – now stopped due to leak detection on the fuel loading end. Going to take down and decide what to do.

  • Congratulations, Andrea Rossi! I’ve been following your progress since 2011, via my own blog at thinktankreport.com. I’ve had a few moments of skepticism along the way but I’m very pleased to hear your great news. It looks like 2015 will go down in history as the pivotal year for you and the E-Cat! Good luck for the future – which I’ll continue to follow with renewed interest.

  • Congratulations, Andrea Rossi! I’ve been following your progress since 2011, via my own blog at thinktankreport.com. I’ve had a few moments of skepticism along the way but I’m very pleased to hear your great news. It looks like 2015 will go down in history as the pivotal year for you and the E-Cat! Good luck for the future – which I’ll continue to follow with renewed interest.

  • Omega Z

    “patent office policy would be to ask for a working prototype”
    Nah, They would just reject it out right. I’m surprised they granted it just due to the fact his name was associated with it.

    And no, I didn’t take your post as saying it wasn’t LENR.

  • Daniel Telfer

    A great day. Congratulations Andrea!

  • milt brad

    I think we should start a “reality check” thread dedicated to all the over-unity or seemingly perpetual motion machines that have been granted a US patent. Yes, yes, I know that Rossi’s Ecat is different than all the previous ones (none of which by the way have ever given us squat, zilch, zero, nada excess energy). Rossi’s actually works! It has been (and is being tested). But I still think a bit of historical perspective is in order. How about a top 10 most unbelievable patented infinite energy devices?

  • fritz194

    Brilliant…Congratulations…

    A well carved torjan horse of a patent – well suited to protect his ip without touching LENR.
    There is a chemical, exothermal reaction presented as heat source – no need to underline that the performance has a spectacular point in the ragone plot. Efficiency will be judged by the market.

    made my day.

  • fritz194

    Brilliant…Congratulations…

    A well carved trojan horse of a patent – well suited to protect his ip without touching LENR.
    There is a chemical, exothermal reaction presented as heat source – no need to underline that the performance has a spectacular point in the ragone plot. Efficiency will be judged by the market.

    made my day.

    • fact police

      no need to underline that the performance has a spectacular point in the ragone plot.

      The explicit claims are consistent with an energy density below that of gasoline, and a power density far below that of ordinary lithium batteries.

  • GordonDocherty

    Interesting this GRANTED Patent makes no mention of LENR, suggesting a policy, explicit or otherwise, for automatically rejecting any Patent Application that does mention it…

    So, excess heat production (demonstrable) instead of LENR (no accepted parameters against which to compare a reaction) is how a Patent needs to be written: a (positive) unintended consequence of this is that any such GRANTED Patent will now apply to any excess heat produced from the reactants, chemical, nuclear or anything else.

    Now, I’ve no doubt there will be those who say “a-ha, no LENR!” but, of course, for the Patent to have been granted, the device must have been demonstrated to the satisfaction of the examiner(s), so Rossi’s device works, and clearly produces excess energy (in fact, a lot of excess energy) over a long period, so no matter what, something novel is happening… the Rossi Effect.

    Once again, I say “Bravissimo!”, “Eccellente!”, “Formidabile!”, “Straordinario!” and many other superlatives too many to mention 🙂

    • fact police

      for the Patent to have been granted, the device must have been demonstrated to the satisfaction of the examiner(s),

      Actually, that’s not necessary. According to the USPTO Manual of Patent Examining Practice, “With the exception of cases involving perpetual motion, a model is not ordinarily required by the Office to demonstrate the operability of a device.”

      Now, cold fusion has been made another exception, along with perpetual motion, but this patent does not claim cold fusion or perpetual motion, so a demonstration was *not* necessary.

      so Rossi’s device works, and clearly produces excess energy (in fact, a lot of excess energy) over a long period, so no matter what, something novel is happening…

      As I said, the patent does not prove the claims are valid, but even if they are, they only explicitly claim excess heat from chemical reactions and the explicit claims do not require an energy density larger than chemical energy density, so, whether it’s novel or not, it’s not exceptionally useful.

      • GordonDocherty

        True, I got ahead of myself – the patented device is for the release of hydrogen from Lithium Aluminum Hydride in the presence of a nickel catalyst and heat. The reaction is exothermic and is (almost) self sustaining. It is, in other words, a device for producing hydrogen + heat in a controlled manner over a sustained period. The heat is carried away, the hydrogen appears to remain in-situ. For anyone wishing to load a Nickel lattice with Hydrogen in a controlled manner, this is a neat trick. In such a configuration, any transmutation of Lithium would come as a surprise indeed (it doesn’t state this in the Patent, but surprise was expressed on another occasion, following the “Lugano test”. Hmmm. More to think on.).

      • Jarea

        But how can you have a COP of 6 (1kw in and 6 kw out) during 180 days in that device dimensions?. Which chemical reaction can provide that amount of energy?
        All these facts are in the approved patent!

        • fact police

          But how can you have a COP of 6 (1kw in and 6 kw out) during 180 days in that device dimensions?

          The patent makes no such claim. It claims 1 kWh in and 6 kWh out, without specifying how long it takes to generate the 6 kWh. The claim is consistent with it producing 6 kWh only once or twice over the 6 month period, and given 3 kg of fuel is consistent with the claims, this corresponds to an energy density much less than that of gasoline.

          • Eyedoc

            Sorry I haven’t completely read the patent… but is ‘3 kg of fuel’ specified in it ?

          • fact police

            The dimensions and composition of the fuel are given in an embodiment. If the composition is by volume, the mass is about 2.9 kg, and if it’s by mass, it’s about 770 g. Either way, the claims are consistent with chemical energy density.

          • I don’t think he states how much fuel is remaining at the end of the run. If it’s 2.7kg remaining and it runs at COP6 for 6 months continuously, that’s going to be way more than chemical energy density. And all he has to do is throw up his hands and say it’s some kind of super resonant chemical reaction, possibly involving fractional hydrogen (which IS still a chemical reaction).

          • Jarea

            so you mean the patent office understood that this boiler from Rossi will work with a chemical reaction through 180 days active… That is a very slow chemical reaction i think, and if you put 1KWh of energy during the 180 days you will have at least 6KWh at the end of the 180days.
            Where is the utility and the new invention for the patent?
            What kind of chemical reaction with the fuel mentioned can last 180days once it is started?, because the key here is that the reaction START and last 180 days and it is controlled during these 180days. Besides, the fuel for that “chemical reaction” is defined and as far as i know the chemical reaction of hydrogen once started is very fast.

          • fact police

            so you mean the patent office understood that this boiler from Rossi will work with a chemical reaction through 180 days active…

            All I’m saying is that the patent does not claim anything other than chemical reactions. And examiners are obliged to accept claims as true unless they are incredible. A slow chemical reaction is not incredible.

            That is a very slow chemical reaction i think, and if you put 1KWh of energy during the 180 days you will have at least 6KWh at the end of the 180days.

            Right, but 6 kWh does not represent an energy density beyond chemical. Maybe it’s slow, maybe it’s intermittent, or maybe it just doesn’t get re-invigorated very often.

            Where is the utility and the new invention for the patent?

            A slow heater could have utility. The utility bar is not very high.

            What kind of chemical reaction with the fuel mentioned can last 180days once it is started?

            Well, presumably the chemical reactions listed in the patent. The examiner is obliged to accept claims as true. He is not required to test them.

            What kind of nuclear reaction do you think is happening? There is none mentioned in the patent. And none that Rossi has considered are consistent with the nickel acting only as catalyst.

            because the key here is that the reaction START and last 180 days and it is controlled during these 180days.

            Details are not given. One or a few charges would not contradict what’s written.

            Besides, the fuel for that “chemical reaction” is defined and as far as i know the chemical reaction of hydrogen once started is very fast.

            Presumably this depends on the geometry, and anyway, the examiner is not obliged to check this.

          • Jarea

            understood. However, this is like catch22 if you cannot put in the patent that it is cold fusion and you need to show them that is fusion. Besides, Rossi has already tried before with previous similar patents including nuclear wording.
            I cannot understand why this patent is still accepted when as you said the patent is open to misinterpretations in the utility. If you interpreted in that way (verly slow chemical in 180days), then the utility is not clear enough and must be specified. I thought that the utility must to be clear so that they replicators can point to the correct way.
            In my opinion, the patent office should enforce to put clearly that the energy density as you suggest delivered by he boiler is chemical or nuclear. It must be specified to clarify the utility of the invention. The patent doesn’t specify, it could be as you say (only once or two times the 6KWh) or it could be as Rossi has showed us before in previous patents, the 24hours 7 days week on providing that power. Currently, i think that the patent office must be informed about what Rossi is trying to patent so i think they are not so stupid.
            Why was not rejected if that was not clear?. What should the people try to replicate a very slow chemical device or what Rossi has always showed us before?
            In other words, what is the patent office protecting with this IP? Is protecting a way to create a cold fusion reaction or a strange way to deliver energy in a very slow way.
            Suppose it is cold fusion, will still this protect the IP?
            Suppose that the patent office didn’t see a hot nuclear device but a chemical reactor. Did they do a good job by approving this patent without enforcing clarity after so many other patents coming from him?

          • fact police

            understood. However, this is like catch22 if you cannot put in the patent that it is cold fusion and you need to show them that is fusion. Besides, Rossi has already tried before with previous similar patents including nuclear wording.

            It’s not a catch 22. If you claim something like cold fusion, then evidence of operability can be requested by the examiner. This could presumably be in the form of a working model, or validation from independent experts. Note that neither Lugano nor Levi-1 would likely qualify, since the experimenters were selected and vetted by the applicant, and the applicant was directly involved in both. Moreover, subsequent analysis of Lugano has shown it to fall rather short of validation, even if the observations are accepted at face value. Also, neither validation has survived peer review, and Lugano was even rejected by arXiv.

            I cannot understand why this patent is still accepted when as you said the patent is open to misinterpretations in the utility. If you interpreted in that way (verly slow chemical in 180days), then the utility is not clear enough and must be specified. I thought that the utility must to be clear so that they replicators can point to the correct way.

            It’s a fluid heater. It’s used to heat fluids. Nothing more than that is necessary.

            Currently, i think that the patent office must be informed about what Rossi is trying to patent so i think they are not so stupid.

            It would be highly unethical to concern themselves with Rossi’s motives, represented by anything that is not in the application. The patent claims chemical reactions to heat a fluid. It was not seen as incredible, and therefore it was granted.

            If they had considered that the claims depend on nuclear reactions, and had considered it to be LENR, then they would have been justified in requiring evidence of operability.

            As it is, the patent does not validate what is explicitly claimed, let alone nuclear reactions that you and others seem to think are implied. It does protect what is explicitly claimed.

            Suppose it is cold fusion, will still this protect the IP?

            It surely protects the described method of heating a fluid.

            But the supposition that many in this forum seem to have made — that it validates cold fusion — is not justified.

            The patent enables *anyone* skilled in the art to test the claims. Such tests, if they provide energy density much higher than chemical, could be used to claim validity of nuclear reactions. At the same time, failure to observe higher energy densities, which is a more likely outcome, will only increase the justification for skepticism of LENR.

          • I have been saying all along that cold fusioneers should simply be claiming chemical levels of activity in their patents, and delight their customers with excess heat beyond chemical. It’s like claiming your race car goes from zero to 60 in 5 seconds when really, it does it in half that time or less.

          • bachcole

            I am pretty sure that more is going on here with the Patent Office than just what is written on pieces of paper that make up the patent. I am not suggesting corruption. I am suggesting that someone in the Patent Office was made aware of what a pickle Rossi was in with his the most important technological advancement EVER.

        • telessar

          The examiner isn’t reading the specification closely, and is not supposed to be inferring things from the specification (the part with most of the text). The examiner normally just skims the specification to make sure the claims (the numbered section at the end) are supported.

      • telessar

        This is correct. The examiner looked to see if had *any* utility, and then moved on. No model is required unless it is perpetual motion/exotic energy or something so complex or unlikely to work that the examiner wants a demonstration.

    • Uncle Bob

      Are you sure on the point that the device must have been demonstrated to the patent office?
      Unless the regulations have changed I don’t think that is the case, except for perpetual motion machines and maybe free energy machines, because they are loosely included with perpetual motion.
      As far as I know, a device can be patented whether it works or not, so long as the claim being patented is described sufficiently that a person skilled in the art can reproduce the device as described in the application. There are a lot of patents accepted which have no hope of working at all, but they are well described..
      You might remember about two or three years ago there was another cold fusion patent applied for which seemed to cover a whole list of possible reactants, and I think it was accepted.
      At the time I referred to it as a carpet bombing patent because although they had nothing working, they managed to patent what they thought were the most likely possibilities to make it work.
      The bad news here is, the granting of this patent is no proof at all that the device works.

      But, now the good news; that proof might come in the event that the device is duplicated from the description in the patent and is then reliably proven to work.
      That will indeed make this patent a monumental document.
      My guess is we should have an answer on this within the next six months.

      Had this been the first I had ever heard of this technology I would now be wildly enthusiast.
      Unfortunately, coming on the back of all the previous claims and announcements, my enthusiasm will take something a bit more substantial than this to fire it up.
      But don’t let me spoil your party.

    • Obvious

      There is no such thing as excess heat. Just heat. As long as a unique device can trigger and can control the heat, it can be patented. The patent office doesn’t expect a detailed chemical story about combustion for a new type of barbecue lighter (for example). Just that the lighter can be built and operated as described.

      • GordonDocherty

        Fair enough – I used the term “excess heat” loosely to mean heat coming from the reaction site that can be transformed into something more useful.

        • Obvious

          Well, I used excess heat in the context of the patent office, which they will not believe in. We have a general meaning for excess heat, but it is irrelevant to the USPTO.
          Since there is no patenting allowed of forces of nature, a specific accounting of the heat is unnecessary, as long as the use of the process makes some sort of sense. The friction of two water streams colliding making heat would be possible, but would be unlikely to be usefully employed to light a barbeque, for example, but should be OK to heat a pool with. Filing such a patent application with turbulence, friction, dissociation and recombination, collision, oxygenation, cavitation and cavitation fusion calculations just clouds the issue and becomes overly specific. The design of the water collider is all they want to see: that it could feasibly work (there are provisions for the water to be directed to collide, and the heat scavenged somehow), and can be built as instructed in the application.

  • Alex Rad

    Great news, but I hope that this doesn’t put Rossi’s tech on big oil’s radar and open up an opportunity for him cashing out with an irresistible offer to purchase the patent and stifle the invention.

    • Jarea

      Rossi is already in the big oil radar. They have already accounted the LENR risks. They cannot stop it. They cannot kill it. They can only be prepared to absorb the impact. If you read http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/ articles is all there explained.
      It seems that they are aware since 2008 and they changed the strategy from that date on. They could have an opportunity to bury this but was too late and the key points were too spread by the time Rossi announced his discovery.
      Rossi knows that his discovery is worth more than millions, and it is not only money, it is history, moral and future. The only problem could be that they could try to destroy him but as i said, it cant be done. If he is blackmailed (and he is), then it will be the Chinese or the Russians, sweden, italy who will continue his work..

    • mcloki

      A free and open internet made sure that can’t happen. The info is out there now, can’t put the genie back into the bottle.

  • Great news. Cold Fusion is unfolding slow and steady. .

  • Great news. Cold Fusion is unfolding slow and steady. .

  • John

    Congratulations mr. Andrea Rossi ! Bravo ! . I think all kind of comments can take place here and we talked about this months ago, but is always good to remember. When the piezo inkjet system was created and Hewlett Packard took control of it they licensed thousands of manufacturer to start building revolutionary technologies that never ends, now they are printing Oled screens and organs, God knows the future… I think is the same Leonardo and IH will do right now with E-cat, the difference is such e-cat technology will change the life as we know it and is already changing the oil based economies. Looks like the big players of the economy knew already that this patent was in process and it was impossible to deny it’s implications and looks like all what is happening in the economics and stock markets, oil prices is related to it. Maybe I’m daydreaming ? What will be the next movements after successful replications ? Were can we find more info about future implications of this technology? Is China knowing already that manufacturing will come back to USA and Europe due to energy low prices and the stock markets are shaking? What happens if Russia becomes a Key player in this E-Cat technology?

    • John

      Telling myself. Funny Thing is that Bill Gates and other billionaires lost from Monday until today something like 20 billion dollars in stock markets. Can you imagine all this money not being played in casinos like wall street and Shanghai and applied to this new technology ? And Rossi had to sell his house to build it. Unbelievable !

    • mcloki

      What this really means is inexpensive heat and electricity for a large percentage of the worlds population. This tech should be able to raise the standard of living for Billions of people worldwide. Africa, Generating prosperity for many. That’s the great part. It’s a new Industrial revolution. This time not powered by Coal.

  • Jarea1

    Rossi is already in the big oil radar. They have already accounted the risks. They cannot stop it. They cannot kill it. They can only be prepared to absorb the impact. If you read http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/ articles is all there explained.
    It seems that they are aware since 2008 and they changed the strategy from that date on. They could have an opportunity to bury this but was too late and the key points were too spread by the time Rossi announced his discovery.

  • Jarea

    I have a basic question. Is this patent an international patent or is it just valid in US?. I know he had a patent in Italy. Unfortunately, that patent was only valid for Italy.
    Now, he has a patent in the US, but does it mean that having a patent in US that it is also accepted in the rest of the world?
    Could somebody clarify it?
    thanks

    • Rob Lewis

      A U.S. patent is only valid in the U.S. Europe has a “patent cooperation treaty” (name?) that lets a single application cover multiple countries. Not sure about the rest of the world. Of course, some countries (I’m looking at you, China) take a notoriously lax view of patent rights.
      Securing worldwide patents is time-consuming and expensive.

      • Zack Iszard

        At the end of the day, your products only have to be cheaper to buy and use than to reverse engineer and counter-patent. That’s been IH’s stated goal all along. With a granted patent, the cost barrier to reverse engineering and marketing a variant just went WAY up. Lawyers like their luxury goods!

        I agree that China is the biggest gaping hole in the issue, a place where brand identity matter little, and product safety is foregone for the sake of cost-cutting. If it is possible for LENR to be hazardous by ionizing radiation, an IH competitor based in China will find out, via angry calls from cancer-ridden customers.

        I apologize to any from/living in China for these stereotypes, but the unmitigated industrial chemical hazards per capita combined with an unmatched behemoth of a national production capacity make me concerned. Let’s hope Rossi is thoroughly correct about his sort of LENR being intrinsically safe.

      • Omega Z

        Rossi could have filed internationally from the start, But, His patent application would have been published(Made Public) within 18 months after filing. It would also have drawn it out over a longer period & all fees & additional fees required over time would have been substantially more expensive. Even if said patent was never granted.

        Having been Accepted & granted by the USPTO will pave the way for international patents. Having a U.S. patent makes all others more or less a rubber stamp process as long as you pay the up front fees.

        Note: Rossi rescinded the non publish status of his patent which is required for him to file for foreign patents. I believe this is required 45 days before he can file in other countries.

        Note: Rossi paid a fee for a non publish request. A non publish status kept this out of the public view(Thus the info contained within.) until he new it would be granted.

        There are several caveats to this. Had you built & used Rossi’s device before it was published, Rossi would have had no recourse. After being published he could only ask you to cease & desist without any penalties for your prior use.

        I believe One could obtain penalties for prior use if you proved they stole it. That can be hard to prove unless you were silly enough to have the original blue prints in your possession.

  • mcloki

    A free and open internet made sure that can’t happen. The info is out there now, can’t put the genie back into the bottle.

  • Sandy

    Thanks to Dr. Rossi, we now have a government-certified alternative to using fossil fuels (which produce carbon dioxide when burned). The powers that be will nevertheless continue to demand that we pay trillions of dollars in “carbon taxes”. Their continuing demands for more money will make it obvious that Anthropogenic Global Warming is a fraud being promoted by greedy fascists.

    • Robert Ellefson

      This technology has NOT been “government-certified” ! All the issuance of a patent indicates is that no specific reason to deny it was found, and the only functional value a patent provides is a legal mechanism by which lawsuits can be initiated against competitors. Anybody familiar with the chaos of bogus patents in the software industry knows that patents are not worth much, except as a threat, until they have been successfully defended and found to be valid and enforceable despite the claims against it.

  • Jarea

    I have uploaded a PDF version of the patent with OCR so that you can search in the text.
    See below link
    http://docdro.id/5LobrHT

  • Charlie tapp

    I can not wait for gas to be 90 cents a gallon again take me back to high school, thank you Rossi. Now I will be able to eat again , well maybe not, food will probably go way up to offset cheap energy along with water. Actually mark my words I bet nothing changes money wise planet will be much cleaner but our government and businesses will find a way to make my paycheck not go any farther. Might need to invest in nickel was $4.00 yesterday.

    • Jarea

      In fact, if LENR comes to market the energy will be so cheap that this will have a big impact. Sifferkoll explain that in his web. Food, transport, products, in fact, all that is scalable will be cheaper because almost everything depends directly or indirectly from energy. (take in mind that the future tends to a robotized industrialization)
      Only real state and services where humans are in business will be more expensive.
      The government will increase the taxes for every transaction to compensate the taxes they loose with energy (a distributed energy model where each individual produce his energy is not good for taxes). At the end, the good government value and power will not remain in a real value but in his ability to control and tax the transactions of the people. That is done through surveillance of every transaction (already happening).
      Of course, bitcoin will be the demon for governments. (assuming that the bitcoin algorithm cannot be hacked)

      • Services will become cheaper as resources are directed there. Assuming the energy was absolutely free (it won’t be but let’s just say) I would have thought your electricity/water bills would fall by, say, 75 per cent (assuming we will still need to use the grid). Our grocery costs will fall by around 40 per cent. Petrol obviously will plummet by 60 or so per cent (barring taxes). Manufactured goods will fall by 30 to 50 per cent. So because there will be such an abundance of these things many human resources will be diverted towards services. They will be relatively.more costly compared to food and manufactured goods but in absolute terms (ie assuming a constant money supply) they will still be much cheaper (let’s say 20 per cent on average). But that is just medium term stuff. Long term, with off grid energy and particularly with 3d printing (maybe jet packs will play a role too), we will see a massive decentralisation – the opposite of what occurred under the industrial revolution. So we will get a similar explosion in living standards as occurred under the IR but without the disastrous erosion of the body politic (incredible levels of sticky breaking) that resulted from the mass migration to cities. People will learn to mind their own business again and I suspect you will get more homogeneity in various locations (cultural) rather than less. Fomenting Marxist type rebellions will be all but impossible because it will be a hard sell convincing someone to risk their life fighting on the basis that they only own 2 hectares of prime farming land but their neighbour owns five. Now, if we can just break the evil shackles of vaccinations and the rest of allopathy we will have a lot to look forward to.

        • bachcole

          Socialism happens naturally in places where there are a lot of people living in a very small space. So, LENR will reverse that trend.

          • Timar

            I can only recommend to actually read Marx’ writings. His analysis’ are still shokingly valid. I just don’t think that a socialist system introduced by the means of a revolution will ever work – it will always be corrupt from the very beginning. I think a new type of socialism will emerge more or less “naturally” when the capitalist system goes through periodic, aggrevating crisis, which are unavoidably build into the system – regardless of LENR. The tragic error in Marx’ concept of historic materialism is that a synthesis must always come as a violent, revolutionary act – even if that may have been the case in all past history. For Marx, technology is always an instrument of class dominance, so he doesn’t see its internal dynamics which can bring about dramatic changes unforeseen and unintented by the ruling powers – the free flow if information on the internet is an historcally unprecedented phenomenon, as the free availability of energy from LENR will be. Interestingly, this leads us back to Hegel’s original, idealistic concept of dialectics, which Marx merely adopted to his historic materialsm.

            One day, poeple will look back at the age of capitalism and regard it as fascinating, but also as a primitive and violent age – just as we do with the Middle Ages. They will also regard it as the age that caused the massive ecological devastation they will still have do deal with.

          • bachcole

            Marx makes perfect sense from a particular perspective, the objective perspective, and I don’t mean that as a complement. His ideas completely ignore subjective things, like incentive and risk taking Communism kills incentive and risk taking, and so it tends to languish.

          • Robert Ellefson

            We must not forget, Marxism is not the same as, or even close to, Socialism. For that matter, I would say that ‘Socialism’ is such a nebulously-defined term that very few extant societies can be considered to use the ‘same’ form of socialism. For me, socialism simply implies a strong social support system that enables otherwise-capitalistic activities to proceed without the encumbrance of bearing the cost of the workforce’s social support needs, such as health insurance, sick leave, parental leave, etc. In my view, a properly-implemented Socialist society would enable far greater participation in profit-driven, intrinsically-motivated and productive activities by the general populace than our current oligarchy can even hope to provide, and it would greatly lower the costs of doing business overall. Yes, taxes would likely be higher, but the net change will surely mean higher total profits when all factors are considered.

          • Timar

            Agreed!

          • Timar

            I don’t think Marx theory makes perfect sense from any perspective (discerning between an “objective” versus “subjective” perspective is very problematic though, from a philosophical point of view ) – I was refering to his analysis, as opposed to his theory of a socialist/communist society.

            Anyway, I see what you mean. In a way you are right, but you are critizising an oversimplified idea of socialism (i.e. one that implies planned economy), like that drawn by capitalist/right-wing propaganda in order to discredit any political measures towards a more equal and humane society and to wrest back the undemocratic influence from powerful capitalist lobby groups.

          • Jimmy Hoffa

            You think capitalism is the cause of pollution. i mean how is that? Captalism is just a system which promotes the best use of scarce resources. It also and maybe more importantly allows for price discovery as that concepts relates to the use of scarce resources. As for the corruption of capitalism I might point out that from 1945 until the election of Ronald Reagan, capitalism mitigated the economic ups and downs of unbrideled corruption. Upon his election, Reagan took off all the controls established by the New Deal and the corruption of the system of capitalism reverted to the crony type system of the so called guilded age. As for Marx, as an outsider with no investment or bias in the current systems of govt, yes he made some interesting observations. But his conclusions based on those observations were pure nonsense. Socialism is ultimately a disaster as is eventually discovered by every country that tires it. The problem is socialism consumes the capital generated through the capitalist system and then has no way to generate more wealth for the people. And since socialsit economies are command economies, there is no price discovery method in place so misallocation of resources soon renders those nations who try it, total basket cases.

        • Omega Z

          Tristan
          Energy makes up about 10% of GDP spending. Your total savings will not exceed this. It also wont be evenly distributed. Some things will provide little savings and others will provide a lot savings.

          Not all savings will be passed on to consumers, tho future costs may be contained. Example: To fill the need for truck drivers, wages will need to increase. However, this increase would be offset by cheaper fuel costs.

          Increasing wages in some sectors can lead to 25% or more in prices. Savings in energy can offset a portion of that increase. Savings will be in lower price increase then would have been otherwise.

          3D printing wont be cost effective for the consumer. Mass produced products will still be cheaper. 3D will shine in industry for product development(Huge savings in final product) & some very specific products or limited product runs.

          People will still migrate to the large cities, tho there will be those like me who would fight to the death being dragged there. I don’t care how much grass & trees they plant on top of those monstrosities. That is not nature. It’s pseudo nature.

          • bachcole

            I disagree. Energy costs are hidden in things like processing of hides, say, and those costs will go down also. Health care costs will also go down since pollutions will drop to close to zero.

            (:->)

          • Timar

            Sadly, a cleaner environment will have very little effect on health care costs. Sedentary lifestyle, convenience food, soft drinks and smoking all kill and debilitate more poeple than pollution ever has, by orders of magnitude. In fact, the problems the US health care system faces provide a good example of the problems a capitalist society has to deal with. People are constantly bombarded with food marketing. Food companies need to produce and advertise ever more highly addictive junk food (for maximum surplus value, they process cheap staple crops which, under the umbrella of security of supply, they have lobbied to be highly subsidized) because they need to grow in order to meet the shareholders’ demand. The lower classes have little access to proper education and easily fall prey for this kind of marketing. Hence the economic growth of Big Food directly translates into the growing waistlines seen among the lower classes. This is a striking observation for anyone visiting the US from abroad. Of course, obesity is a growing problem in all Western countries but it is nowhere as blatant as in the US. In fact, more “socialist” states have not only lower rates of obesity and related chronic diseases but also better functioning and much less expensive health care systems – although they provide health insurance for everyone.

          • bachcole

            Sadly you don’t know what you are talking about. In places like New Delhi and Shanghi, hundreds of people every day are dying from pollution.

            And pollution has been implicated as a cause of autism. I would call it a contributing factor.

          • Omega Z

            When I researched it, based on a world GDP of 60 Trillion, about 6 trillion was (All)energy expenditures. 10%.

            Some products are energy intensive and some not.
            One has to separate a trucker burning 40 cents a mile & 70 cents to the driver. You still pay the 70 cents even if they use zero fuel. There are also other costs in the calculation that will remain. Also, the burned 40 cents includes some substantial taxes. Anyway once you separate all the gobbledygook, it will average 10% of costs.

            Also, percentage of income wise, these energy costs are a bigger chunk of those with lower income. So the lower your income, the more you’ll personally benefit. Health care costs only know one direction and it defies gravity. 🙁

          • bachcole

            I still disagree, although I like how it will help poor people more than rich people.

            You are forgetting about how the science of LENR will revolutionize so many other technologies.

            Also, if that truck driver takes his $.70 per mile and goes out and buys a big, juicy, unhealthy hamburger (it’s the bread of the bun that is the biggest problem) for 10% less, and if the lady making the hamburger has to pay 10% less for that spatula that she needs to turn the hamburger, etc. etc. It is sort of a cascading thing. I bet that there are some heavy duty mathematicians who could give a better estimate than your simplistic estimate. But I could be wrong.

            As for health care, I DIY my health care, and it costs me MUCH less.

        • Timar

          “Evil shackles of vaccinations and […] allopathy”!? I for one gladly bear those shackles – they have saved my life more than once.

          • bachcole

            Sounds anecdotal. Please tell us which and when.

          • Timar

            I got a bad case of pneumonia as a child, which might have killed me without antibiotics. Same for a sepsis caused by a snake bite some years ago. Although it wouldn’t have killed my, I got debilitating symptoms from lyme disease until diagnosed and treated with antibiotics.

            Of course I can’t know which serious diseases I may have avoided because I am vaccinated against them. Given the amount of ticks I seem to attract, ESME is a hot candidate.

            I’m the first to admit that Western medicine has its limitations and shortcomings. I’m a big fan af Andrew Weil and his approach to integrative medicine. Yet it is utterly foolish to undiscriminatingly describe it as “evil shackles”. Antibiotics and vaccinations have saved millions, if not billions of lifes since they were invented.

          • bachcole

            A vaccination is NOT the same as an antibiotic inoculation. It is obvious that antibiotic inoculations have saved many lives. And if I got a snake bite, I would do whatever the con med doctor said to do.

            Con med doctors are excellent at traumatic and acute conditions, like broken bones, heart attacks, snake bites, etc. But for health building, they are positively stupid and harmful.

      • Omega Z

        Jarea1
        Government will raise taxes regardless. Tho in reality, they shouldn’t need to. People save money at one point & spend it elsewhere. This creates new jobs. Less people need government support. Government needs less money. New jobs mean new tax revenue.

        The problem is the Government has never seen a dollar, yours, mine or whoever that they didn’t think they could spend better. Over 1/3rd of GDP(And Growing) is Government spending. Where do you think they obtained that money to spend.

    • Omega Z

      Sorry Charlie
      Many would never see 90 cents a gallon again even if the Oil was free.
      I do recall 30 cents a gallon when I was a teenager. However, our State tax today is around 55 cents plus 18 cents Federal & an additional sales tax included. Not to mention, some Major Metro areas have their own gas tax.

      Everyone knows that Multiple Government entities tax our gas. But most are oblivious to just how much that amounts to when combined. AND Government want’s it that way. For every $1 big oil makes in “profits”, Government make about $10. And this doesn’t all make it to the road funds. Much ends up in general revenue to be spent where ever they choose.

      Additional Government Oil revenues overlooked by the masses. Multimillion dollar leases on Government/public lands whether oil is found or not, Plus 15% of all oil extracted. There have been proposals to raise that to 25%. This goes to general revenue. They would also like to raise the 18 cent Federal tax to at least 30 cents. States will follow suit. We need some transparency. Two digital readouts when filling up. 1 for the cost of gas. 1 displaying all the tax hidden & otherwise. People would be shocked.

      And Sorry again Charlie. LENR wont effect the cost of gas for years to come. But your Utility bill may decline.

  • Ted-X

    The weakest part of the Rossi’s patent will show up if nobody “skilled in the art” could reproduce the effect based on Rossi’s description. “Reproducibility based on the description” is an important validating factor for patents. If the invention can not be reproduced by those “skilled in the art”, such an invention/disclosure becomes invalid as a patent.

    • telessar

      Reproducibility is normally called “Enablement” in patent-speak, and it is separate from Utility (does the thing actually work).

      For enablement, you just have to have enough in the description that a person skilled in the art could build the thing you described. Effect aside, the device that Rossi actually described can be put together with pretty well-known engineering techniques, so the enablement threshold isn’t high.

      For utility, the thing has to actually do something useful. Fortunately the standard is pretty low here as well – the examiner isn’t going to look into the reaction in much detail. Rossi said “here’s a device, and it runs on an exothermic reaction.” The examiner is going to say, “sure, sounds fine” and try to find if the claims are valid.

      So I don’t think either of those are super weak parts of the patent. The thresholds are low and neither is typically raised in litigation. There is not going to be litigation unless the thing actually works (in which case utility is fine), and it would be hard to claim that an skilled engineer couldn’t make a device from the description.

  • timycelyn

    “…. called it right every time?” BS. George Hody a.k.a. Mary is a past master of innuendo and misrepresentation. Personally, I wouln’t believe him if he told me it was raining outside….

    As for Krivit – well, words fail me.

    • Jimmy Hoffa

      Opinions are like you know what, everybody has one. I have a different experience with those two then you do so I’ll stand by my position and wait to see what they have to say before getting on the band wagon.

      • timycelyn

        To each his own, but – good luck with that.

      • GreenWin

        Hey Jim. Where you buried these days? Heh heh.

        • Jimmy Hoffa

          You know man, I just cruise the internets here and there, looking for weakness, challenge and the occasional laugh. I was having a great time over at “Greater Things” tormenting Sterling Allan until he finally banned me.

  • Jarea1

    In fact, if LENR comes to market the energy will be so cheap that this will have a big impact. Sifferkoll explain that in his web. Food, transport, products, in fact, all that is scalable will be cheaper because almost everything depends directly or indirectly from energy. (take in mind that the future tends to a robotized industrialization)
    Only real state and services where humans are in business will be more expensive.
    The government will increase the taxes for every transaction to compensate the taxes they loose with energy (a distributed energy model where each individual produce his energy is not good for taxes). At the end, the good government value and power will not remain in a real value but in his ability to control and tax the transactions of the people. That is done through surveillance of every transaction (already happening).
    Of course, bitcoin will be the demon for governments. (assuming that the bitcoin algorithm cannot be hacked)

    • Services will become cheaper as resources are directed there. Assuming the energy was absolutely free (it won’t be but let’s just say) I would have thought your electricity/water bills would fall by, say, 75 per cent (assuming we will still need to use the grid). Our grocery costs will fall by around 40 per cent. Petrol obviously will plummet by 60 or so per cent (barring taxes). Manufactured goods will fall by 30 to 50 per cent. So because there will be such an abundance of these things many human resources will be diverted towards services. They will be relatively.more costly compared to food and manufactured goods but in absolute terms (ie assuming a constant money supply) they will still be much cheaper (let’s say 20 per cent on average). But that is just medium term stuff. Long term, with off grid energy and particularly with 3d printing (maybe jet packs will play a role too), we will see a massive decentralisation – the opposite of what occurred under the industrial revolution. So we will get a similar explosion in living standards as occurred under the IR but without the disastrous erosion of the body politic (incredible levels of sticky breaking) that resulted from the mass migration to cities. People will learn to mind their own business again and I suspect you will get more homogeneity in various locations (cultural) rather than less. Fomenting Marxist type rebellions will be all but impossible because it will be a hard sell convincing someone to risk their life fighting on the basis that they only own 2 hectares of prime farming land but their neighbour owns five. Now, if we can just break the evil shackles of vaccinations and the rest of allopathy we will have a lot to look forward to.

      • Omega Z

        Tristan
        Energy makes up about 10% of GDP spending. Your total savings will not exceed this. It also wont be evenly distributed. Some things will provide little savings and others will provide a lot savings.

        Not all savings will be passed on to consumers, tho future costs may be contained. Example: To fill the need for truck drivers, wages will need to increase. However, this increase would be offset by cheaper fuel costs.

        Increasing wages in some sectors can lead to 25% or more in prices. Savings in energy can offset a portion of that increase. Savings will be in lower price increase then would have been otherwise.

        3D printing wont be cost effective for the consumer. Mass produced products will still be cheaper. 3D will shine in industry for product development(Huge savings in final product) & some very specific products or limited product runs.

        People will still migrate to the large cities, tho there will be those like me who would fight to the death being dragged there. I don’t care how much grass & trees they plant on top of those monstrosities. That is not nature. It’s pseudo nature.

      • Timar

        “Evil shackles of vaccinations and […] allopathy”!? I for one gladly bear those shackles – they have saved my life more than once.

    • Omega Z

      Jarea1
      Government will raise taxes regardless. Tho in reality, they shouldn’t need to. People save money at one point & spend it elsewhere. This creates new jobs. Less people need government support. Government needs less money. New jobs mean new tax revenue.

      The problem is the Government has never seen a dollar, yours, mine or whoever that they didn’t think they could spend better. Over 1/3rd of GDP(And Growing) is Government spending. Where do you think they obtained that money to spend.

  • grumpy

    Perhaps these patents are being granted now because of the work of Kirpatrick Townsend law firm. They exposed using FOIA law, the US Patent Agency’s “SAWS” proceedure to delay patents forever. Under the light of day the patent agency canceled that procedure. Cold Fusion patents were typically denied or delayed forever. SAWS gave patent agency employees the power to secretly delay proceedings forever which was applied to patents they personally didn’t like. Giving employees that much power obviously causes the potential for abuse as they can be bribed to stop competitors patents.

    Note that Kirpatrick Townsend is the law firm working on BrillouinEnergy’s patents.

    Bravo to Andre Rossi for getting a patent approved. Bravo to the Patent agency for approving it despite the stigma the field has among plasma physicists who don’t understand solid state. And Bravo to Kirpatrick Townsend and the FOIA laws that (probably) produced the transparency govt needs to do their job right.
    See http://www.kilpatricktownsend.com/~/media/Files/articles/2015/The%20Demise%20Of%20SAWS%20And%20The%20Power%20Of%20Public%20Attention.ashx

    • telessar

      If Kirpatrck Townsend is working on Brillouin’s patents, they are probably not working on Rossi’s… there are conflict of interest rules that normally prevent a patent firm from working on competing patents.

    • fact police

      They exposed using FOIA law, the US Patent Agency’s “SAWS” proceedure to delay patents forever. Under the light of day the patent agency canceled that procedure. Cold Fusion patents were typically denied or delayed forever. SAWS gave patent agency employees the power to secretly delay proceedings forever which was applied to patents they personally didn’t like.

      Actually, at worst, time to resolution of patents subjected to SAWS scrutiny was doubled.

      But whether or not cold fusion patents have been subject to additional scrutiny under SAWS, grounds for their rejection without independent evidence of operability are explicitly present in the USPTO Manual of Patent Examination Procedure, section 2107, on the Utility Requirement.

      “An invention that is “inoperative” (i.e., it does not operate to produce the results claimed by the patent applicant) is not a “useful” invention in the meaning of the patent law.”

      Ordinarily, utility does not have to be proven to obtain a patent. “Office personnel are reminded that they must treat as true a statement of fact made by an applicant in relation to an asserted utility, unless countervailing evidence can be provided that shows that one of ordinary skill in the art would have a legitimate basis to doubt the credibility of such a statement.” [emphasis added]

      So a patent is not a validation, and was never intended to be. But it can be rejected as not useful if its claimed utility is not credible: “The second type of deficiency arises in the rare instance where an assertion of specific and substantial utility for the invention made by an applicant is not credible.”

      “Situations where an invention is found to be “inoperative” and therefore lacking in utility are rare, and rejections maintained solely on this ground by a Federal court even rarer. In many of these cases, the utility asserted by the applicant was thought to be “incredible in the light of the knowledge of the art…” … Other cases suggest that on initial evaluation, the Office considered the asserted utility to be inconsistent with known scientific principles [emphasis added]

      Cold fusion, along with perpetual motion, and some other claims, is cited as a specific example of “incredible” utility, or “wholly inoperative invention”. Therefore, in claims of cold fusion or LENR, which are considered by most people skilled in the art to be inconsistent with known science, an examiner is justified in requiring evidence of operability.

      This particular patent, however, does not claim cold fusion or LENR, and so would not have triggered the sort of scrutiny such patents usually receive. The fall back then is to treat the claims as true.

      Bravo to the Patent agency for approving it despite the stigma the field has …

      Again, this patent is not in “the field”, if by that you mean LENR. The reactions it claims are chemical.

  • telessar

    If anyone is interested to see how the patent was actually examined, you can go to the USPTOs patent portal (“Public PAIR”), select search by patent number, and type in the patent number (9115913).

    The link to Public Pair is: http://portal.uspto.gov/pair/PublicPair

    If you click on the “Image File Wrapper” tab, you can look at all the documents that were sent back and forth during the examination process.

    Responses, restrictions, and rejections are going to be the most interesting documents. I haven’t looked in any great detail, but some things of interest were:

    (1) It looked like Rossi originally had claims for “a composition of matter for generating heat” and “a method of heating a fluid with a catalyst” in addition to the apparatus claims. These were cancelled early because they were too different to the apparatus claims (you can’t patent two different things in the same patent). BUT what would normally happen is that Rossi would file a divisional to those claims and they would issue in another patent… so there may be another patent coming down the pipe (based on this same document) covering the fuel and/or method for generating heat. (Note that these would have to be based off the information than is already in the description, so in theory it won’t add any new information, but it will still be interesting to see).

    (2) As far as I have seen, the examiner never raised a utility objection or made the inference that this might be LENR. It looks like the examiner just assumed that it was a normal exothermic reaction and went from there. Like I said, I have not read everything, but it doesn’t look like the examiner cared about the exact reaction at all – he was really just looking at the apparatus and prior art that included lithium/nickel/hydrogen.

    • telessar

      Also, this is to Frank Acland:

      Hey Frank,

      I saw the letter from Rossi you posted, but just FYI – this patent never actually received a final rejection… I think you are thinking of one of the older Rossi patents.

      This one had a non-final rejection, then was allowed.

      (and “Final Rejection” in patent-speak isn’t really “Final,” it just means you have to pay a fee to keep going)

      Best,
      Telessar

  • Eyedoc

    Sorry I haven’t completely read the patent… but is ‘3 kg of fuel’ specified in it ?

    • fact police

      The dimensions and composition of the fuel are given in an embodiment. If the composition is by volume, the mass is about 2.9 kg, and if it’s by mass, it’s about 770 g. Either way, the claims are consistent with chemical energy density.

      • Kevmo

        I don’t think he states how much fuel is remaining at the end of the run. If it’s 2.7kg remaining and it runs at COP6 for 6 months continuously, that’s going to be way more than chemical energy density. And all he has to do is throw up his hands and say it’s some kind of super resonant chemical reaction, possibly involving fractional hydrogen (which IS still a chemical reaction).

        • Omega Z

          Yes, Most here are aware.
          SRI is a spinoff from Stanford University.
          It does a lot of research for the Government among other things.
          DARPA provided some funding for McKubre to do some tests on the Brillouin’s reactor on SRI’s premises.

          • psi2u2

            I didn’t address his motivations in my comments, and these are not relevant to your personal attack on him. Please refrain from aggressive and irrelevant questions of other posters. It’s that kind of behavior that raises questions about YOUR motivations.

  • ecatworld
  • GordonDocherty

    While on the subject of patents, looking at recently published patents applied for, the following two look very interesting:

    Applicant: Etiam Oy

    https://www.google.com/patents/US20150162104?cl=en

    https://www.google.com/patents/WO2013076378A2?cl=en

    http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?PageNum=0&docid=20150162104&IDKey=E23EE985EA94&HomeUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fappft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO1%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526d%3DPG01%2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html%2526r%3D1%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526s1%3D20150162104.PGNR.%2526OS%3D%2526RS%3D

    http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20150611&DB=&&CC=US&NR=2015162104A1&KC=A1&ND=1&locale=en_EP

    Referenced by:

    Applicant: Airbus Defence and Space GmbH, Airbus Operations Gmbh, Astrium Gmbh

    https://www.google.com/patents/DE102013110249A1?cl=en

    https://www.google.com/patents/WO2015040077A1?cl=en

    https://register.dpma.de/DPMAregister/pat/PatSchrifteneinsicht?docId=DE102013110249A1

    http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20150326&DB=&&CC=WO&NR=2015040077A1&KC=A1&ND=1&locale=en_EP
    http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=WO&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2015040077&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.1&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en

    Perhaps some reference to the Airbus patent will be made at:

    http://www.iscmns.org/work11/

    ?

    Now, this is just a personal opinion, but I believe the patent from Pekka Soininen / Etiam Oy in particular (the first patent above) provides a very comprehensive description of what factors are involved in LENR.

    • Etiam oy patent is quite different from E-cat, more similar to the (unproven) claims of defkalion, and to the (proven) technology of Brillouin.

      If someone with resource can try to replicate this patent, maybe even Etiam could help…

      • Jimmy Hoffa

        Is Brillouin’s technology proven?

        • at ICCF17 SRI(tanzella) report WET results.
          Brillouin reported at ICCF19 COP>4 with HHT.

          • Jimmy Hoffa

            You know another thing that concerns me about Brillouin is they seem to be almost exclusively promoted by PESN. Sterling Allan will promote anything as fact no matter how odious the claims might be. As a rule, if it’s on PESN, well that isn’t necessairly a good thing.

          • Obvious

            Stirling has been a bit better grounded these past few months. His BS detector is improving (or his patience is waning). See his latest SHT story (almost, but not quite, as fantastic as the company claims, however) and his recent Keshan report.

    • John Littlemist

      It seems that Etiam’s application is strongly betting on Leif Holmlid’s UDD (ultra dense deuterium) theory. They claim that inverted Rydberg matter consists of UDD.

      • Obvious
        • John Littlemist

          Thanks, interesting indeed. Ultra dense deuterium, atomic metallic hydrogen, hydrino. A beloved child has many names?? 😉

          • Bob Greenyer

            Not quite the same thing, Hydrino theory is saying energy can be captured from “shrinking” hydrogen.

            Rydberg matter does not create the big energy yield itself – it is claimed to be a pre-cursor to fusion. Stoyan Sarg says that the electron stops going through te structure of the proton and starts orbiting it, allowing the magnetic sensitivity to increase 630 times and thus allowing them to densely cluster and be driven by EM. These clusters could be considered a metal – for that is what Hydrogen is (though normally in a gaseous state) we all know that copper gas is less conductive than copper solid.

          • John Littlemist

            AFAIK, Rydberg matter does not consist of UDD, but inverted Rydberg matter does.

            “It is conjectured that the latent heat released by the collapse into the
            ultra-dense state has been misinterpreted as cold fusion.”

            http://www.researchgate.net/publication/222919663_Ultra-dense_deuterium_and_cold_fusion_claims

            Mills is saying shrinking hydrogen releases energy, someone else is saying collapsing deuterium releases energy?

  • GordonDocherty

    While on the subject of patents, looking at recently published patents applied for, the following two look very interesting:

    Applicant: Etiam Oy

    https://www.google.com/patents/US20150162104?cl=en

    https://www.google.com/patents/WO2013076378A2?cl=en

    http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?PageNum=0&docid=20150162104&IDKey=E23EE985EA94&HomeUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fappft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO1%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526d%3DPG01%2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html%2526r%3D1%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526s1%3D20150162104.PGNR.%2526OS%3D%2526RS%3D

    http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20150611&DB=&&CC=US&NR=2015162104A1&KC=A1&ND=1&locale=en_EP

    Referenced by:

    Applicant: Airbus Defence and Space GmbH, Airbus Operations Gmbh, Astrium Gmbh

    https://www.google.com/patents/DE102013110249A1?cl=en

    https://www.google.com/patents/WO2015040077A1?cl=en

    https://register.dpma.de/DPMAregister/pat/PatSchrifteneinsicht?docId=DE102013110249A1

    http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20150326&DB=&&CC=WO&NR=2015040077A1&KC=A1&ND=1&locale=en_EP
    http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=WO&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2015040077&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.1&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en

    Perhaps some reference to the Airbus patent will be made at:

    http://www.iscmns.org/work11/

    ?

    Now, this is just a personal opinion, but I believe the patent from Pekka Soininen / Etiam Oy in particular (the first patent above) provides a very comprehensive description of what factors are involved in LENR.

    • Etiam oy patent is quite different from E-cat, more similar to the (unproven) claims of defkalion, and to the (proven) technology of Brillouin.

      If someone with resource can try to replicate this patent, maybe even Etiam could help…

      • Jimmy Hoffa

        Is Brillouin’s technology proven?

        • at ICCF17 SRI(tanzella) report WET results.
          Brillouin reported at ICCF19 COP>4 with HHT.

          • Jimmy Hoffa

            You know another thing that concerns me about Brillouin is they seem to be almost exclusively promoted by PESN. Sterling Allan will promote anything as fact no matter how odious the claims might be. As a rule, if it’s on PESN, well that isn’t necessairly a good thing.

          • Obvious

            Stirling has been a bit better grounded these past few months. His BS detector is improving (or his patience is waning). See his latest SHT story (almost, but not quite, as fantastic as the company claims, however) and his recent Keshan report.

          • Jimmy Hoffa

            tt

          • Jimmy Hoffa

            Not sure I agree that Sterling is better grounded. However I have a pretty good idea why he is on Keshe’s case lately. Keshe recently and very publicly announced that due to Sterling’s pedophillia, he (Keshe) will have nothing more to do with Sterling. Of course Sterling thinks that is very unfair. Sterling believes that since he announced to the world that he is a child molester, everyone should wrap him in goodwill and celebrate his honesty and integrity. Since Keshe hasn’t joined the rest of humanity in forgiving Sterling and embracing him for his honesty and fullsome disclosure, Sterling has started sniping at Keshe whenever possible.

        • bachcole

          It depends upon what you mean by proven. For me, if Mike McKubre says that it is real, that’s good enough for me.

          • Jimmy Hoffa

            McKubre sits on the advisory board of Brillioun. That’s business speak which suggests that he is getting a slice of those funding rounds. Put less subtly it indicates that he is being paid to promote the company in order to bring in other investors i.e. a paid shill. Bachole how old are you if you don’t mind my asking?

          • psi2u2

            He’s old enough to know that this kind of name-calling doesn’t deserve a response from him. McKubre is a first class scientist who was *asked* to join the Brilloun board. He would not have done so if he was not convinced that the science was real. Kindly refrain from slander. Thank you.

          • Jimmy Hoffa

            Not to make a big deal of it but “slander” is the spoken word; I think you intent is to warn me off of libel. Btw, I have not libeled McKubre. People sit on boards all the time and are compensated for it. Do I believe that McKubre believes Brillioun is on to something? Indeed he might, however there is a vast difference between believing there is an aspect of legitimacy to the underlying science and believing a marketable product can be brought to market on the basis of that science. And I’m sure McKubre is a wonderful father, husband and scientist and that you and he are best buds. However, this isn’t the first time McKubre has promoted or supported products that didn’t work out. Just be aware of that.

          • Jimmy Hoffa

            How do you know what McKubre’s motivations were for joining the Brillion board? Are you and him close? Does he consult with you before making important decisions?

          • psi2u2

            I didn’t address his motivations in my comments, and these are not relevant to your personal attack on him. Please refrain from aggressive and irrelevant questions of other posters. It’s that kind of behavior that raises questions about YOUR motivations.

          • Jimmy Hoffa

            Read your reply again. You did address his motivations. Your conversation grows boring. Please stop addressing me. Thank you in advance for your courtesy.

          • psi2u2

            Its true that I did say that he joined the board because he was convinced by the science. I stand corrected, and so should you.

          • bachcole

            I have spent the past 45 years as an adult applying my philosophically sharp mind to all of life’s issues.

            Watch all 8 of these videos, and then come back and tell us that you still think that McKubre is a paid shill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtweR_qGHEc

            I agree with psi2u2’s opinion that what you are saying about McKubre is slander. I hold him in very high esteem, but only because he deserves it. All people are equal in their intrinsic value, which is infinite, but some people are better than other people in how they manifest in the world. You, Jimmy Hoffa, need to work on your character a lot if you are going to be as good as Mike McKubre.

          • Jimmy Hoffa

            Thank you, I’ll review all your recommended video’s as soon as I don’t have anything else to do in my life. As for what I think of McKubre, he’s fine. It’s just that most of us tend to line our thinking up with what we believe will fatten our wallet, and oppose those things which we believe diminish it. That propensity can best be illustrated by the fact that even now there are still people, who are otherwise smart and informed, yet they still deny the effect of civilization upon climate. You do realize that SRI has nothing to do with Stanford University don’t you?

          • Omega Z

            Yes, Most here are aware.
            SRI is a spinoff from Stanford University.
            It does a lot of research for the Government among other things.
            DARPA provided some funding for McKubre to do some tests on the Brillouin’s reactor on SRI’s premises.

          • bachcole

            Yeah, but Stanford University wanted distance between them and Stanford Research Institute commensurate with the University forcing the Institute to change their name to SRI International. Not exactly huggy kissy face.

            I bet when LENR becomes big time, the University will come crawling back begging to be forgiven. (:->) Or, SRI or Godes could just buy Stanford University and rename in McKubre University. I like that. Naming one of world’s great institutions of higher education after the son of a robber baron does not exactly appeal to me, although the fatherly love thingie is sort of nice.

          • GreenWin

            Suggesting Dr. McKubre is any more a “paid shill” than anyone sitting on any board is trollwerk. Kindly amend your name calling or be properly banned from this site, Jimmy.

          • bachcole

            I second the motion. McKubre IS a soft evidence data point, and as such, if Jimmy does not look at the 8 videos in question, then he (Jimmy Hoffa) is behaving like a skeptopath.

          • Jimmy Hoffa

            I responded to your threat to ban me earlier. I was not entirely kind to you, and deservedly so, in my response. Yet I notice my post was not added to the discussion. If this is one of those tightly moderated forums, please let me know, as I will move on to greener i.e. free pastures. If not, perhaps you can tell me why my previous response to you has not yet showed up in the discussion???

    • John Littlemist

      It seems that Etiam’s application is strongly betting on Leif Holmlid’s UDD (ultra dense deuterium) theory. They claim that inverted Rydberg matter consists of UDD.

      • Obvious
        • John Littlemist

          Thanks, interesting indeed. Ultra dense deuterium, atomic metallic hydrogen, hydrino. A beloved child has many names?? 😉

          • Bob Greenyer

            Not quite the same thing, Hydrino theory is saying energy can be captured from “shrinking” hydrogen.

            Rydberg matter does not create the big energy yield itself – it is claimed to be a pre-cursor to fusion. Stoyan Sarg says that the electron stops going through te structure of the proton and starts orbiting it, allowing the magnetic sensitivity to increase 630 times and thus allowing them to densely cluster and be driven by EM. These clusters could be considered a metal – for that is what Hydrogen is (though normally in a gaseous state) we all know that copper gas is less conductive than copper solid.

          • John Littlemist

            AFAIK, Rydberg matter does not consist of UDD, but inverted Rydberg matter does.

            “It is conjectured that the latent heat released by the collapse into the
            ultra-dense state has been misinterpreted as cold fusion.”

            http://www.researchgate.net/publication/222919663_Ultra-dense_deuterium_and_cold_fusion_claims

            Mills is saying shrinking hydrogen releases energy, someone else is saying collapsing deuterium releases energy?

  • Timar

    I got a bad case of pneumonia as a child, which might have killed me without antibiotics. Same for a sepsis caused by a snake bite some years ago. Although it wouldn’t have killed my, I got debilitating symptoms from lyme disease until diagnosed and treated with antibiotics.

    Of course I can’t know which serious diseases I may have avoided because I am vaccinated against them. Given the amount of ticks I seem to attract, ESME is a hot candidate.

    I’m the first to admit that Western medicine has its limitations and shortcomings. I’m a big fan af Andrew Weil and his approach to integrative medicine. Yet it is utterly foolish to undiscriminatingly describe it as “evil shackles”. Antibiotics and vaccinations have saved millions, if not billions of lifes since they were invented.

  • Timar

    Sadly, a cleaner environment will have very little effect on health care costs. Sedentary lifestyle, convenience food, soft drinks and smokings kill and debilitate more poeple than pollution ever has, by orders of magnitude. In fact, the problems the US health care system faces provide a good example of the problems a capitalist society has to deal with. People are constantly bombarded with food marketing. Food companies need to produce and advertise ever more highly addictive junk food because they need to grow in order to meet the shareholders’ demand. The lower classes have no access to proper education and fall prey for this kind of marketing. Hence the economic growth of Big Food directly translates into the growing waistlines seen among the lower classes. This is a striking observation for anyone visiting the US from abroad. Of course, obesity is a growing problem in all Western countries but it is nowhere as blatant as in the US. In fact, more “socialist” states have not only lower rates of obesity and related chronic diseases but also better functioning and much less expensive health care systems – although they provide health insurance for everyone.

  • kasom

    If we want to draw e-cat in to MSM attentionn it would probably work via an accusation of supporting fraud against the USPTO examiner. Kind of a
    ricochet shot just to achieve public attension.

    Just my thought………

    Some M.Y. BS placed at MSM may possibly trigger a pulblic discussion in MSM…………..

    • bachcole

      I am 110% AGAINST it. I will not participate in it and in fact I will whistle blow if anyone should try. Added to this is my desire to not start out the New Age committing fraudulent acts. The USPTO may have been slow as compared to our liking, but I suspect no fraud whatsoever. Should anyone uncover some fraud, then that would be an entirely different story. Given that I was surprised that they granted the patent long before I expected, I tend to think that there was no fraud but some back stage hand holding for those unable to grasp the real import and reality of this invention.

  • Jimmy Hoffa

    McKubre sits on the advisory board of Brillioun. That’s business speak which suggests that he is getting a slice of those funding rounds. Put less subtly it indicates that he is being paid to promote the company in order to bring in other investors i.e. a paid shill. Bachole how old are you if you don’t mind my asking?

    • psi2u2

      He’s old enough to know that this kind of name-calling doesn’t deserve a response from him. McKubre is a first class scientist who was *asked* to join the Brilloun board. He would not have done so if he was not convinced that the science was real. Kindly refrain from slander. Thank you.

    • GreenWin

      Suggesting Dr. McKubre is any more a “paid shill” than anyone sitting on any board is trollwerk. Kindly amend your name calling or be properly banned from this site, Jimmy.

      • bachcole

        I second the motion. McKubre IS a soft evidence data point, and as such, if Jimmy does not look at the 8 videos in question, then he (Jimmy Hoffa) is behaving like a skeptopath.

  • Hhiram

    Very encouraging news. And surprising – last I heard, the E-Cat patent application had been rejected.

    I’ve been posting here for several years that Rossi’s strategy, even before Industrial Heat, has been to acquire patent protection. The idea that first-mover advantage in the market will make a difference is, I think, a bit naive. It won’t hurt, but Rossi’s company won’t be able to fend off competition from low-cost manufacturing countries like China without strong patent protection. His approach, which is frustrating to outside observers, has been to only allow enough independent testing to support a successful patent application.

    Very encouraging to see that this strategy has actual been successful! I was under the impression he had failed on those lines, and was focused only on leveraging first-mover advantage. It is possible that we will now see an accelerated schedule of public demonstrations and replications.

  • Hhiram

    Very encouraging news. And surprising – last I heard, the E-Cat patent application had been rejected.

    I’ve been posting here for several years that Rossi’s strategy, even before Industrial Heat, has been to acquire patent protection. The idea that first-mover advantage in the market will make a difference is, I think, a bit naive. It won’t hurt, but Rossi’s company won’t be able to fend off competition from low-cost manufacturing countries like China without strong patent protection. His approach, which is frustrating to outside observers, has been to only allow enough independent testing to support a successful patent application.

    Very encouraging to see that this strategy has actual been successful! I was under the impression he had failed on those lines, and was focused only on leveraging first-mover advantage. It is possible that we will now see an accelerated schedule of public demonstrations and replications.

  • Kevmo

    I have been saying all along that cold fusioneers should simply be claiming chemical levels of activity in their patents, and delight their customers with excess heat beyond chemical. It’s like claiming your race car goes from zero to 60 in 5 seconds when really, it does it in half that time or less.

  • Omega Z

    When I researched it, based on a world GDP of 60 Trillion, about 6 trillion was (All)energy expenditures. 10%.

    Some products are energy intensive and some not.
    One has to separate a trucker burning 40 cents a mile & 70 cents to the driver. You still pay the 70 cents even if they use zero fuel. There are also other costs in the calculation that will remain. Also, the burned 40 cents includes some substantial taxes. Anyway once you separate all the gobbledygook, it will average 10% of costs.

    Also, percentage of income wise, these energy costs are a bigger chunk of those with lower income. So the lower your income, the more you’ll personally benefit. Health care costs only know one direction and it defies gravity. 🙁

  • Łukasz

    Hi all.
    FYI
    I have asked mr Rossi on “Journal” why there is no nuclear reaction described in the parent mr Rossi shows us.
    I see 3 strictly CHEMICAL reactions, but no nuclear. There is no transmutation, no source of energy….
    My post was in moderation and finally it was not shown on the Journal page at all.
    Pity.
    I’ve been observing Journal and e-cat story since very beggining (I was reader of PES wiki). I’m still sceptic about this due to constantly moving datestamps, goals etc.
    1MW plant was supposed to be open for every journalist, test made by sientists known as Rossi suporters did not have ANY calorimetrical tests, factory is being construkted for sth like 2 yerrs now and so on…
    But still I have had a sparkle of hope….
    I may be wrong, maybe my question looked stupid, maybe it was answered in past (pls show me if you know) But it is quite simple and important. There are tons of articles obout nuclear phisics on “Journal” but there is NO nuclear reaction in the Rossi patent. (this reactions are described in the Piantelli EU patent).
    There is more things I don’t like in the patent of Rossi (like connecting heaters in row or paralell – is it so unusual?), but this one is the most important. Why there is no nuclear reaction mentiond/desctibed in a patent that is presented as LENR (low energy NUCLEAR REACTION)
    Sorry for my english.
    Łukasz