Andrea Rossi Granted E-Cat Patent by US Patent Office

Thanks to Mcloki for sharing this very important news as far as the E-Cat is concerned (and all who emailed me).

Mats Lewan has posted on his Impossible Invention blog that Andrea Rossi has been granted a US Patent http://animpossibleinvention.com/2015/08/25/rossi-has-been-granted-us-patent-on-the-e-cat/

The patent was granted today, August 25 2015. A link to the full text his here:

https://animpossibleinvention.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/us9115913b1.pdf

More to follow.

This should be a very significant event in terms of replication of the “Rossi Effect”. There have been a number of efforts already by people who have studied Rossi’s statements, E-Cat test reports, and the work of other replciators like Alexander Parkhomov. Now we have some important new details that should help replicators — and I am sure new replicators will get in the game now.

One interesting excerpt from the patent that should be helpful:

“Variations in the ratio of reactants and catalyst tend to govern reaction rate, and are not critical. However, it has been found that a suitable mixture would include a starting mixture of 50% nickel, 20% lithium, and 30% LAH [lithium aluminum hydride]. Within this mixture, nickel acts as a catalyst for the reaction, and is not itself a reagent. While nickel is particularly useful because of its relative abundance, its function can also be carried out by other elements in column 10 of the periodic table, such as platinum or palladium.”

I asked Rossi on the JONP how they were able to turn things around after the patent had previously received a final rejection by the USPTO. He replied:

Andrea Rossi
August 25th, 2015 at 11:11 AM
Frank Acland:
Working, studying, discussing.
Thank you for your important congratulations. This is an achievement of all of us of the LENR family.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

 

There’s a brief Q&A with Andrea Rossi on the Ecat.com website here: http://ecat.com/news/e-cat-patent-granted-by-uspto

  • clovis ray

    yahoo, great day in heaven , what a historic day, congrats Dr. Rossi, along with your great team,

  • mcloki

    I am quite happy about this. Now it’s a long way from Patent to a working device but the most important thing is that with this patent protection Investors will be more willing to pour money into further research. Next come the investors, licensing and franchising agreements.

    • Warthog

      Well, usually it is the other way ’round…..the “working device” precedes the patent (sometimes by many years).

      • mcloki

        Yes. I meant commercial device. But I’m actually a bit excited by this news. I like the idea of what a possible game changer this is for society. Just the fact that it could lead to an explosion of new job creation is rather enticing.

        • Warthog

          True dat! Sometimes the “commercial device” never happens, and “successful commercial device” an even smaller percentage than that.

          • mcloki

            My interest is in Residential Home heating units. IF Rossi can create a heating unit for an underfloor Heating system. There is a ton of retrofit work that can go into homes worldwide. And in Canada it could make living further north much more affordable. Huge opportunity.

          • Warthog

            Well, what “I” want is an LENR powered motor home, so I guess that could be considered “residential heating”………..

  • Timar

    Hey, MFMP, and all the other replicators: how about adding some elemental lithium to the mix? ;D

    • Bob Greenyer

      This has been the plan since Ikegami papers. We were working through trying to replicate claims first.

      This is more concrete.

      • Giuliano Bettini

        “Rescission of previous nonpublication request” 2015- 07-27
        http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123598413_1.pdf
        Meaning? Reasons? Why?

        • US_Citizen71

          With the granting of the current patent it appears that Rossi would like another previous application made public. My guess is that it covers a supporting piece like maybe the fuel wafer or something similar.

  • Someone at the patent office or the DOE must have spoken to the factory owner where the E-Cat power plant has been operating for over 6 months without refueling.

  • Mats002

    A big day for “outside-from-normal” science, may real truth seeking science win over narrow-minded ditto.

    Congratulations Rossi et al!

  • Obvious

    I am sure I have seen a photo of the wafer design, quite some time ago.

    • artefact

      Inside the box with the fins attached to it?

      • Obvious

        That’s the one. I just dug up the photos, and I’m not so sure about that being the reactor wafers. Some claimed that the wafers were a battery of sorts when the photos first came out.

    • Ted-X

      The key to the working of this LENR system is the “porosity enhanced nickel”. I suspect cryogenic grinding or hammering might be the process to “enhance the porosity”, as the cryogenic process reduces the grain sizes (it may also create some Bose-Einstein condensate; my speculation is that such a condensate might be unexpectedly stable in the reactor). Metallic lithium is not the key, as we are dealing with the thermodynamic equilibrium (seems that only chemical engineers understand the principles of thermodynamic equilibrium between several inorganic species at high temperatures). Because of the equilibrium, metallic lithium must be present if LiAlH4 is present under these conditions (H2 atmosphere, temp. over 1000 C).
      ——————————————————————————-
      My suggestion is that the REPLICATORS should concentrate on the pre-treatment of nickel, of which I highly recommend cryogenic hammering.
      ——————————————————————————–
      I was previously right when I said that other elements (except Ni and Li) are not needed. The role of aluminum is most likely to prevent hydrogen from building excessive pressure.

      • Obvious

        This Ni prep goes way back to Case, at least, and is not even novel, really. It is the standard flushing of water from reactant procedure (for things that can be heated without decomposing).

  • Bob Greenyer

    Congratulations Rossi!

    50% Nickel, 20% Lithium and 30% LiAlH4

    Was submitted 2012 – Before LUGANO

    Layered structure similar to Piantelli’s patent extension – precedent needs confirmation.

    Deliberately did not put in LENR – focus on simple functional attribute and fuel patent – therefore, much easier to pass and does not get the automatic block

    • Bob, do you think Alan is able to put some pure lithium into his fuel mix for the upcoming experiment?
      Would be nice to test this directly!

      • Bob Greenyer

        Will see.

        If not – me356 is nearly ready with his test and has got the Optris PI160 hacked into the Raspberry PI.

        We will also be running another test from the 12th.

        University of Missou is almost ready with theirs an we have supplied all the parts to Jean Paul-Biberian – so there are several options.

      • Bob Greenyer

        If someone can overnight some lithium to him – it would be an option – he is starting a new calibration and currently the cell is not closed.

  • catfish

    this is a big big deal. Congratulations Mr Rossi!

  • Ecco

    Also see:
    http://ecat.com/news/e-cat-patent-granted-by-uspto
    (with short Rossi interview)

  • gdaigle

    Time to open the bottle of Italian Prosecco! And then they wait for the legal actions that are bound to be filed by other inventors, not unlike when the telephone was patented.

    • artefact

      Last Friday on the last day of my holiday trip to Italy I went to my favorite wine producer and bought 6 bottles of good prosecco.

      And now I have a good reason to try one πŸ™‚

  • Fyodor

    As I understand it the claims of the patent do not appear to cover the LENR reaction, only the heating system, so I don’t know that we can draw any larger conclusions about how the Patent Office will regard cold fusion/LENR going forward.

    • artefact

      See Ecco’s link. Rossi says the patent also covers the ECAT X

      • Fyodor

        The claim presumably covers the reaction chamber and fuel composition of the E-Cat X, which is similar. It’s not claiming an exothermic reaction or a nuclear process.

        • Obvious

          “In another aspect, the invention features an apparatus for heating a fluid, the apparatus including means for containing the fluid, and means for holding a fuel mixture containing a catalyst and a reagent, and means for initiating a reaction sequence mediated by the catalyst to cause an exothermic reaction.” – US Patent 9115913

    • This patent clearly states that 50% Nickle, 20% pure Lithium and 30% LiAlH4 is used in the fuel.
      All replicators tried only Nickle + LiAlH4 and failed (except Parkhomov and some chinese researchers). Maybe the missing information is the 20% pure Lithium powder!

      • Obvious

        Perhaps the typical Asian continent LAH contains substantial amounts of pure Li particles (unreacted with Al) in the mix.

      • Timar

        Seems not unlikely. Maybe the LiAlH4 used by Parkhomov contained some elemental lithium. Everyone was concerned about the purity of the nickel he used, while no one thought about the LiAlH4. I remember a photo of it stored it in a glass jar he kept on a kitchen cupboard…

    • Mats002

      Read next column 2: Another aspect of… cover the heat source – COP of 6 in SSM mode!

      • Fyodor

        Well, first, that’s the description, not the claims. You’ll note that it does not mention where that energy is coming from-no mention of nuclear reaction or anything

        I’m not trying to take anything away from Rossi-I think that this was probably an intentional strategy to avoid the patent office’s skepticism about LENR. I just think that we shouldn’t draw the conclusion that this involves some sort of evaluation of Rossi’s claims or belief in LENR.

        • US_Citizen71

          Great news! I bet oil has a bad day!

          • Sanjeev

            Big news and congratulations to Rossi !
            His path is now clear.
            Its an important document for replicators also, perhaps more important than the Lugano report. We may now see a number of replications that are based on this patent.

          • Mats002

            Death spiral in progress… I hope.

    • Sanjeev

      I did not read the patent fully yet but word search for lenr or even fusion returns 0 results.
      So this is deliberate and a smart move which made the grant of patent possible.

      He can use the same strategy to get the safety clearances for his devices by not calling them nuclear or CF or anything exotic. Since the E-Cat shows no signs of any nuclear activity (we see only heat), it can pass all checks without any problems.

      • Kevmo

        Exactly what I’ve been saying all along.

        He could call it a super resonating chemical reaction, sell millions of units before the NRC exerts their muscle. And the e-cat will have been let out of the bag by that point.

  • bfast

    Fyodor, I think you are incorrect. If you read claim 1 (the primary claim) you will see:
    “wherein said fuel mixture comprises lithium and lithium hydroxide, wherein said catalyst comprises … wherein reinvigorating said reaction comprises varying a voltage…”
    This patent, therefore, covers both the heat recovery system and the core ingredients of the LENR system.

    That said, if one could produce a good LENR reaction without using both lithium and lithium hydroxide, or if one could produce a good LENR reaction without using a variable voltage to reinvigorate the reaction, then one would be past the patent. Ie, the patent doesn’t seem all that strong.

    Of interesting note is claim 3: “The apparatus of claim 2, wherein the nickel has been treated to increase the porosity thereof.” Hmmm. Note that the method of treatment is not described.

    • Obvious

      The treatment is heating, causing micro explosions due to trapped water, as described in the patent.

      • Bob Greenyer

        fast heating to 200 and quenching as prep possibly rather than parkhomovs simple heating

        • Obvious

          The addition of H2 at relatively cool temperatures to slightly oxidized nickel will form water, which may then pop and/or be disassociated again at higher temperatures.

    • Mats002

      Yes it is – heat the Ni powder at temp and pressure to get all H2O out of it and more…

    • Ted-X

      The treatment is cryogenic hammering, 95 % confidence level. Nickel is not popcorn, heating wet nickel will not increase porosity.
      ———————————————————————–
      However, an alternative would be a process similar to making of Raney nickel. This would be melting of Ni with Al (for catalysts they also add small quantities of Zn or Cr to the alloy). The alloy is then treated with sodium hydroxide, which dissolves all the metals of the alloy except nickel, so the resulting nickel is highly porous.
      ————————————————————————
      The presence of traces of oxygen and carbon might still be of value, as the traces of carbon monoxide might be important. If this is true, the patent will be weak.

      • Private Citizen

        Wonder if Rossi will cooperate with replicators, now that his tech is safely patented?

        • I asked him on JoNP, but no reply yet…

        • Robyn Wyrick

          HOLY CARP! I didn’t even think about that!!! Great question.

        • GreenWin

          Reflecting 25 years abject rejection of anything to do with cold fusion – Ian’s enthusiasm is warranted. There are other Rossi patents in process and some well protected trade secrets – which MAY be of broader legal value than patents.

          • Omega Z

            “There are other Rossi patents in process”

            64 in process according to Rossi on JONP. Not sure how many that actually is. i run out of fingers at 8.

          • mcloki

            The next month should see every “new energy and hot fusion scientist and research team sending out press releases talking about “verge of breakthrough, calls for more funding” press releases. Watch the scrambling to secure future funding heat up.

    • Fyodor

      Right, it also covers the composition of the fuel. What it does NOT do, as far as I can tell, is mention any nuclear reaction anywhere in the claims or description. Just that there is excess heat.

  • Obvious

    Looks like a busy week for replicators everywhere.
    Now, to find some damp Ni and (dry) pure Li….

    • artefact

      The patent also says that the size of the NI is not critical. Between 1 nano and 100 micrometer. (page 8 line 55)

      • Mats002

        Score! (I thought so, search old discussions about Ni powders).
        Sorry for not being humble πŸ™‚

    • Obvious

      “3. Next are successive cycles of H2 gas admission, heating, and evacuation. The purpose of this phase, prior to D2 admission, is to get rid of all residual chemical activity. There are oxides and other stuff on the catalyst. By reacting these with H2, the catalyst is cleaned and prepared.” Mallove interview with Les Case, Infinite Energy, 1998

      “Ames National Laboratory processed metal alloy foils via arc melting followed by melt spinning. This is the Yamaura process employed by Arata and others. The foils were baked in ordinary air at 445C for 28 hours. The brittle, oxidized foils were placed
      in a tumble mill for 24 hours.” – Brian Ahern

  • GreenWin

    WONDERFUL NEWS! Congratulations to the indefatigable Dr. Rossi and Team Industrial Heat. Four years after introducing the “impossible invention” to the world – he has obtained a patent. A great day for the planet. And the USPTO. πŸ™‚

  • Bob Greenyer

    Some of these

    https://www.americanelements.com/lithium-pellets-7439-93-2

    available on EBAY

    let’s hope I don’t have to buy a gas boiler.

  • NT

    A big step for Rossi and company, a giant stride for our world and mankind – hopefully!

  • Excellent! In the words of Stan Lee -Excelsior!

  • LilyLover

    For example –

    They’ll say: Patents don’t matter. Look even apple got a patent for rounded rectangle. If you have connections and money you can get any stupid thing patented. Then again look, another-apple-patent was retracted. In the future, this patent will get retracted because it’s worthless. Until that retraction – we will always be right.

    Another variation of what they’ll say: See it’s just a handful of elements discoverd naturally on Earth for hundreds of years, layered like a cake that we’ve been eating for thousands of year. It’s obvious. It even gets manufactured in the China alongwith the other plastic-junk. Who even allowed such a patent?

    Yet another variation of what they’ll say: NASA had invented this technology in 1850; they hid it to prevent global warming. They hid the NASA itself. Rossi is NASA-technology-thief causing us the grief – burn him at coal fired stake, for god’s sake.
    I guess, I’ve learned enough to understand it “from-their-shoes” !!
    Stupididy has no end. Immorality has no limits.

  • LilyLover

    People salute rising star.
    They know: Rossi >> Dying Big-Oil

  • Bob Greenyer

    I discussed on our site and linked to papers why Al is the right catalyst. It acts on the Ni surface and improves its action in this regard as temperature rises.

    http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/499-how-the-get-the-right-catalyst

    This creates more porosity and epicatalytic surfaces. Think Raney Nickel

    Most of the reaction paths are in my sheet from earlier in the year.

    https://goo.gl/KhqT0K

    Ni alone and H2 can make excess heat as per Piantelli’s original discovery – but it is its ability to not absorb but eject protons on occasion that allows the big yield from 1H interacting with 7Li.

    Nickel 62 and 64 are preferential

    62 because it doesn’t want any protons and basically ejects them

    64 because it doesn’t really want protons, and if it does take on board any – it rapidly converts to 62.

    Old fuel should already have more 62 and 64 and also more of the epicatalytic Ni/Al

  • Ted-X

    The answer to running LENR above the melting point of nickel:
    – m.p. 1722 deg. C deg – nickel aluminide: NiAl
    – m.p. 1455 deg. C – pure nickel
    The difference is 267 degree C.
    ——————————————— Ted-X

    • Bob Greenyer

      nice

  • Mats002

    You say telling the truth is not a habit of yours? ^^

    • Bob Matulis

      BIG!

      • Christina

        Congratulations to Andrea Rossi and his team.

        Christina

        Yeah, yeah, yeah.

        • Omega Z

          Great Jeopardy-

          What is lyrics from THE BEATLES song-
          I love you yeah yeah yeah

  • Jonnyb

    Yipeeeeee!! at last well done.

  • clovis ray

    happy, happy, happy,

  • Gerard McEk

    This is an excellent achievement of AR/IH. That makes easier to get it more open into the world. I am sure they will try to get a world patent as well.
    I hope the revelations in the patent makes easier replications possible.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I will say this is real.

  • LuFong

    While this is certainly good news for Rossi, those holding his IP rights, and LENR in general I wonder how close this patent matches current E-Cat technology. Are Rossi’s “revolutions” simply refinements to this patent or is it altogether different?

    • clovis ray

      hi, lu,
      I would say they are somewhat close, he did say the e-cat x , will fall under the same patent, it being just a upgrade of the old l/t cat.

  • Sanjeev

    Well said.

  • Sanjeev

    Note that patents exists for non-working an unreal devices. So technically, a patent is not a proof. But this is a minor detail in the case of E-Cat, this patent provides a solid evidence ..to say the least.

  • builditnow

    Today: “Oil has no reason to melt down: energy analyst”
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/no-fundamental-reason-for-oil-s–meltdown—energy-analyst-175344315.html#
    Go Rossi, Go.

    • artefact

      πŸ™‚

    • Omega Z

      At present- 3 Mbbl a day surplus.
      Inventories
      The U.S. Government SPR holding’s 700 Mbbl
      U.S. Corporate inventories >400 Mbbl
      Japan >500 Mbbl
      CHINA >150 Mbbl plus 60 Mbbl setting in Super tanker storage offshore that they know of.

      And much more. China has continued increasing it’s SPR using the cost savings of lower prices to increase the number of barrels purchased. This is the primary support for current prices.

      This is about to stop. China can’t build storage fast enough & Super tanker’s are becoming hard to come by. The U.S SPR is only 20 Mbbl shy of maximum capacity. Oilco’s are trying to push finished product through to what storage capacity is left in that realm.<-note this has been a problem as they've had some refineries go down for unplanned maintenance issues.

      Well's will soon need to be shut down, not due to price, but for lack of storage space. At which point, Prices will drop drastically.
      Note while many were watching for U.S. Oilco's to blink, they have been busy improving recovery technology even more. Most existing wells can now stay online to as low of $10 a bbl. Even many new undeveloped fields can now be priced out at $32 a barrel which involves the huge upfront costs.

      LENR will have minimal impact on Oil. It will take a good 20 years to do so. However, 20 years from now, nearly all the cheap oil will be depleted. Why do you think Russia, U.S., & Europe are eyeballing the Arctic ocean. Why do you think China is eyeballing the entire South China sea. In 20 years, even the middle east could see production drop by 50%.

      Today's Oil prices are based on Today's available supply. If it were based on future supply, it would already be $200 a barrel.
      By this measure, N-gas & coal aren't even a good indicator & they would both be impacted much sooner by LENR then Oil.

      • LilyLover

        “If it were based on future supply, it would already be $200 a barrel.”
        >>
        Only valid if the oil was not being replaced by other sources.
        When oil becomes needless / useless, the $2/bbl is also expensive.
        It is based on FUTURE SELLABILITY.

  • Rob Lewis

    Not to state the obvious, but one caveat: simply getting a patent is not confirmation that your invention works as described.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Agreed.

      But the MFMP and others are well positioned to test this.

      Having said that, it may not be necessary to prove the validity – GS3 ash is in isotopic testing today with at least one independent party.

    • Sanjeev

      No its not. Its only a paper to protect your invention.
      The real confirmation will come from the commercial devices that this patent will enable.
      Not to say the 1000s of replications and variants that this simple paper can spawn.
      Only one issue – if this patent hides a critical piece of info, then the replications will fail and our only hope will be for the commercial product to be successful.

  • US_Citizen71

    So if Nickel is only the catalyst and Lithium and Hydrogen the fuel would the reaction be fission or fusion?

    Li7 + H -> Li6 + D ???

    • Mats002

      What about a third option: quantum tunneling?

      • Bob Greenyer

        that will lower the price of admission

    • Bob Greenyer

      Al will likely be part of making Ni epicatalytic

      I discussed this here

      http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/499-how-the-get-the-right-catalyst

    • Bob Greenyer

      It is Fusion / Fission + 1 daughter product (alpha) does electron capture to create two He.

      Line 12 and 13 in my sheet

      https://goo.gl/KhqT0K

      • US_Citizen71

        Thanks! So it should be making He then. I see now why LENR is a better overall name. Too many reactions for the layman to easily comprehend without a little fear.

        • Bob Greenyer

          yes.

        • Omega Z

          Leave it to Rossi to make fun of the skeptics.
          In full operation the E-cat produces-
          he he he he he he

  • Sanjeev
  • Barney Holmes

    What a day. And a tip of the hat to Eugene Mallove in the name of the device The New Fire.

  • Rossi now has an airtight patent with precedence to allow him to maximise profits.

    Hi all

    What is now apparent is that Rossi has an airtight patent with the precedence to allow him to maximise profits by gaining the maximum period on his patent. The whole thing with a patent is to ensure you have precedence on other patent applicants while simultaneously ensuring the Patent is accepted at as late a point as possible in order to ensure the patent keeps others out for the maximum time possible. A circle that takes skill to square.

    This is a textbook example of good patent strategy.

    You register the patent as early as possible for precedence, ideally using multiple patent applications so that they act as multiple levels of defence, and take every opportunity to refine the patents at each rejection and appeal. A good patent lawyer games the application rejection appeal process to maximise your development time, while preventing your competitors gaining knowledge of your product until the very last moment when you are ready to produce.

    I dare say those who were involved with Rossi’s competitors and who used sock puppets to engage in pseudo scepticism either in the hope of denigrating Rossi their competitor out of existence, or to try to prevent Rossi gaining a patent or financial backing, are now spitting feathers as all their plans have come to nought, and one perhaps may see them in various sites, such as this, engaging in such activities, while all of us laugh at their discomfort

    Kind Regards walker

  • Robyn Wyrick

    Well clearly the USPTO has been hoodwinked by Rossi.

    The same way Darden was, the same way the 3rd party testers were hoodwinked. Damn data! It’s always data with these people.

    We know CF doesn’t work, because only Hot Fusion works. Hot Fusion has been powering our homes for decades.

    Hmmmmm, wait a second. Hold on… That doesn’t sound quite right….

    • Bob Greenyer

      you funny.

      • Robyn Wyrick

        I’m pretty giddy. It’s amazing news!

        • Bob Greenyer

          Yes. Want to test.

          • Robyn Wyrick

            I will have to rely on funny, because I don’t, you know, know any physics. Glad for people like you and the excellent posters here. (Not that you’re all just a bunch of posters. You’re no posters. Very 3d. At least I presume.)

          • Bob Greenyer

            hehe – I am a hologram – like everything else. Prove it is not true

          • Dods

            You Rimmer, we got a cat. Just need a robot and someone called Dave. πŸ™‚

          • Obvious

            About two years ago, I read a report about a CF power cell based on lithium, being designed as tiles. One of the proponents was one of the P & F debunkers, somehow converted in ideology by examination of much more work, and examination of the factors where excess heat was not easily explained. Anyone have any idea who that was? I would like to look at that story again, in light of this patent.

          • GreenWin

            Last I checked, Dave’s not here. But nearby. πŸ™‚

          • TomR

            Bachcole, when Andrea talked kindly about Obama, I knew there had been a change at the upper levels. I think October isn’t out of the picture for the domestic heaters.

          • Bob Greenyer
          • Zack Iszard

            Core temp up to 1220 C, very good agreement between the two heaters. I’m looking forward to seeing this one! When will the test start?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Started – now stopped due to leak detection on the fuel loading end. Going to take down and decide what to do.

          • Jarea1

            so you mean the patent office understood that this boiler from Rossi will work with a chemical reaction through 180 days active… That is a very slow chemical reaction i think, and if you put 1KWh of energy during the 180 days you will have at least 6KWh at the end of the 180days.
            Where is the utility and the new invention for the patent?
            What kind of chemical reaction with the fuel mentioned can last 180days once it is started?, because the key here is that the reaction START and last 180 days and it is controlled during these 180days. Besides, the fuel for that “chemical reaction” is defined and as far as i know the chemical reaction of hydrogen once started is very fast.

          • Timar

            Agreed!

          • Omega Z

            Sorry Charlie
            Many would never see 90 cents a gallon again even if the Oil was free.
            I do recall 30 cents a gallon when I was a teenager. However, our State tax today is around 55 cents plus 18 cents Federal & an additional sales tax included. Not to mention, some Major Metro areas have their own gas tax.

            Everyone knows that Multiple Government entities tax our gas. But most are oblivious to just how much that amounts to when combined. AND Government want’s it that way. For every $1 big oil makes in “profits”, Government make about $10. And this doesn’t all make it to the road funds. Much ends up in general revenue to be spent where ever they choose.

            Additional Government Oil revenues overlooked by the masses. Multimillion dollar leases on Government/public lands whether oil is found or not, Plus 15% of all oil extracted. There have been proposals to raise that to 25%. This goes to general revenue. They would also like to raise the 18 cent Federal tax to at least 30 cents. States will follow suit. We need some transparency. Two digital readouts when filling up. 1 for the cost of gas. 1 displaying all the tax hidden & otherwise. People would be shocked.

            And Sorry again Charlie. LENR wont effect the cost of gas for years to come. But your Utility bill may decline.

          • Obvious

            Ever had a Hurtz Donut?
            A what?…OW!!!
            Hurts don’t it? I guess you’re not a hologram…

          • Mats002

            Cheers Bob! You deserve it!

          • Bob Greenyer

            Thanks – I’ll feel a lot more comfortable the first time we see statistically significant isotopic changes come back to us.

          • bachcole

            Proof: You experience, therefore you are.

            But that does not mean that everything else exists. Only consciousness is real.

          • Doug Cutler

            All off topic but intriguing.

            Of Descartes’ famous line, “I think, therefore I am”, one possibly less ambiguous interpretation, “I’m aware of my own thought processes, therefore I am”.

          • Omega Z

            Only “MY” consciousness is real.
            When I fizzle out, Your ALL going with me.
            Are you scared?
            he he he.

          • GreenWin

            Hey, so am I Bob. But at the moment I’d rather be a hologram than a carbon-based life form trying to swim shark-infested waters!

  • Bob Greenyer

    sorry guys, new bar opened in Brno with free Pilsner beer and food – so I popped out to raise a few free beers for Rossi (suits my budget!)

    What did I miss?

  • Bob Greenyer

    Got you – please know that things need to be transported in the responsible and correct way.

    Not like these guys and companies on Ebay.

    http://goo.gl/o5gCO0

  • Robyn Wyrick

    There is no latest news on “Shut Down Rossi” (http://shutdownrossi.com/0-latest-news/) Not much happening out there today.

    • Mats002

      Time to save a copy, might be gone any day now…

      • Bob Greenyer

        does waybackmachine still operate – or is there something similar that we can use to look at an old copy of waybackmachine

        • Owen Geiger

          Sure, just google it.

  • telessar

    This appears to be a pretty decent patent, I am pleasantly surprised.

    One thing people might want to keep in mind is that public use or publications prior to one year before the filing could be used to later invalidate the patent.

    So any public tests, youtube videos, public e-mails, etc. before March 14, 2011 that dealt with an lithium/lithium aluminum hydride e-CAT could potentially work against him later. I definitely don’t know the chronology well enough to know when he started working with hydrides, but it might be something to look into or think about.

    • John Littlemist
      • Hi All

        In reply to telessar

        Actually, I sort of agree on enforceability. πŸ™‚ it may or may not be enforcible but that is not the purpose. The purpose of the first patent is establishing a claim of prior art excluding others from claiming the same. It is the subsequent patents of smaller aspects that will each be the enforcible patents.

        Rossi has planted the flag, it is a Granted Patent, a done deal, a root patent where every other case has to take place from that point. An inescapable start point.

        This will be a patent war at least as long term and varied as that which characterised the Wright Brothers and Curtis or Edison and Westinghouse or Apple and Erickson. It is going to be about which companies have the most ammunition in terms of multiple patents and the deepest pockets to pay for the lawyers and how long competitors can afford to sit stuck in the courts behind court orders preventing them from selling or developing, paying endless court fines for infringment, while Rossi continues to develop and sell or whether they just have to give up and license from Rossi because it is cheaper.

        Rossi’s first patent is part of a Patent Strategy and a textbook example of how to do it in terms of gaming the appeals process.

        Kind Regards walker

    • Omega Z

      “when he started working with hydride’s”

      I believe late 2012, early 2013. It was in answer to people who questioned the viability of people having Hydrogen tanks in their residences.

  • Bob Greenyer

    The second independent tester of the GS3 ash/fuel/Parkhomov powders has confirmed samples will be handed to lab for testing tomorrow.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Points of interest.

    Piantelli says that Palladium works with H2 also in his patent
    Rossi agrees in his patent

    Piantelli says D+D did NOT happen in P&F

    P&F used LiOD as their electrolyte as we reported way back when, we have some of their stock

    You cannot get pure D

    Could it always have been 1H + 7Li that produced P&F 2XHe + XS heat?

    It is COLD, IT IS FUSION, but it is fission and electron capture also.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      But I think John Dash used D2SO4 (sulfuric acid) instead of LiOD as the electrolyte and had positive results. Les Case used deuterium gas with palladium on carbon and had positive results.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Piantelli would say you can’t get pure D

        Palladium and H2 will produce excess anyhow according to Piantelli

        D may also – but not though D+D

        4 X 1H + 12C may lead to 26.7MeV + Alpha

    • Warthog

      Pons and Fleischmann never claimed “D + D” or any other specific reaction sequence. They ALWAYS said “an unknown nuclear reaction”.

      • R101

        Awesome news! Now we need to be able to buy them from our local hardware store.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes

    • builditnow

      Bob, I called Alan in Santa Cruz about the lithium. He appreciates your enthusiasm, and, … is proceeding with his planned replication of Parkomov using the fuel provided by Parkomov. He said he may also use Parkomov’s fuel in the test after this one (but you have a chance to discuss that … don’t you … πŸ™‚ ).

      I’m connecting Alan with some locals interested in LENR, some have university / NASA links and could help with the lithium and other things. Also talked to Skip who is visiting Alan.

      I’m starting my gas fired air cooled furnace system. Preliminary test of the mini furnace successful. Lots more to do to build, automation, cooling system, temperature measurement systems, reactors.

      • ecatworld

        I wonder what the patent officer thought of this part:

        Once the reaction sequence is initiated, the voltage source 33 can be turned off, as the reaction sequence is self-sustaining. However, the reaction rate may not be constant. Hence, it may be desirable to turn on the voltage source 33 at certain times to reinvigorate the reaction. To determine whether or not the voltage source 33 should be turned on, the temperature sensor 37 provides a signal to the controller 35, which then determines whether or not to apply a voltage in response to the temperature signal. It has been found that after the reaction has generated approximately 6 kilowatt hours of energy, it is desirable to apply approximately 1 kilowatt hour of electrical energy to reinvigorate the reaction sequence.

        • Robyn Wyrick

          Nice find.

        • Enrique Ferreyra

          “write it in a way that say that you are just burning a fuel”

          • Ted-X

            The weakest part of the Rossi’s patent will show up if nobody “skilled in the art” could reproduce the effect based on Rossi’s description. “Reproducibility based on the description” is an important validating factor for patents. If the invention can not be reproduced by those “skilled in the art”, such an invention/disclosure becomes invalid as a patent.

          • Jarea1

            understood. However, this is like catch22 if you cannot put in the patent that it is cold fusion and you need to show them that is fusion. Besides, Rossi has already tried before with previous similar patents including nuclear wording.
            I cannot understand why this patent is still accepted when as you said the patent is open to misinterpretations in the utility. If you interpreted in that way (verly slow chemical in 180days), then the utility is not clear enough and must be specified. I thought that the utility must to be clear so that they replicators can point to the correct way.
            In my opinion, the patent office should enforce to put clearly that the energy density as you suggest delivered by he boiler is chemical or nuclear. It must be specified to clarify the utility of the invention. The patent doesn’t specify, it could be as you say (only once or two times the 6KWh) or it could be as Rossi has showed us before in previous patents, the 24hours 7 days week on providing that power. Currently, i think that the patent office must be informed about what Rossi is trying to patent so i think they are not so stupid.
            Why was not rejected if that was not clear?. What should the people try to replicate a very slow chemical device or what Rossi has always showed us before?
            In other words, what is the patent office protecting with this IP? Is protecting a way to create a cold fusion reaction or a strange way to deliver energy in a very slow way.
            Suppose it is cold fusion, will still this protect the IP?
            Suppose that the patent office didn’t see a hot nuclear device but a chemical reactor. Did they do a good job by approving this patent without enforcing clarity after so many other patents coming from him?

        • clovis ray

          Hi,Frank,
          most observant. more excellent info for replicators,

          • psi2u2

            Its true that I did say that he joined the board because he was convinced by the science. I stand corrected, and so should you.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes – not likely to stop that work in progress – calibration now done and looking good.

        Nainoa Mariner on our Facebook says you can get lithium foil from standard Lithium Polymer AA batteries

        http://www.doitpoms.ac.uk/tlplib/batteries/figures/LiPoly_sml.png

        • Obvious

          Oh, here we go…
          and “NiMH” from those batteries… maybe even with some NiH39.4 if you are lucky…

        • John

          Congratulations mr. Andrea Rossi ! Bravo ! . I think all kind of comments can take place here and we talked about this months ago, but is always good to remember. When the piezo inkjet system was created and Hewlett Packard took control of it they licensed thousands of manufacturer to start building revolutionary technologies that never ends, now they are printing Oled screens and organs, God knows the future… I think is the same Leonardo and IH will do right now with E-cat, the difference is such e-cat technology will change the life as we know it and is already changing the oil based economies. Looks like the big players of the economy knew already that this patent was in process and it was impossible to deny it’s implications and looks like all what is happening in the economics and stock markets, oil prices is related to it. Maybe I’m daydreaming ? What will be the next movements after successful replications ? Were can we find more info about future implications of this technology? Is China knowing already that manufacturing will come back to USA and Europe due to energy low prices and the stock markets are shaking? What happens if Russia becomes a Key player in this E-Cat technology?

          • John

            Telling myself. Funny Thing is that Bill Gates and other billionaires lost from Monday until today something like 20 billion dollars in stock markets. Can you imagine all this money not being played in casinos like wall street and Shanghai and applied to this new technology ? And Rossi had to sell his house to build it. Unbelievable !

          • GordonDocherty

            True, I got ahead of myself – the patented device is for the release of hydrogen from Lithium Aluminum Hydride in the presence of a nickel catalyst and heat. The reaction is exothermic and is (almost) self sustaining. It is, in other words, a device for producing hydrogen + heat in a controlled manner over a sustained period. The heat is carried away, the hydrogen appears to remain in-situ. For anyone wishing to load a Nickel lattice with Hydrogen in a controlled manner, this is a neat trick. In such a configuration, any transmutation of Lithium would come as a surprise indeed.

          • mcloki

            What this really means is inexpensive heat and electricity for a large percentage of the worlds population. This tech should be able to raise the standard of living for Billions of people worldwide. Africa, Generating prosperity for many. That’s the great part. It’s a new Industrial revolution. This time not powered by Coal.

  • Hi all

    In reply to telessar

    It is a Patent. It has been Granted. Therefore it is airtight.

    Kind Regards walker

  • Nigel Appleton

    “However, it has been found that a suitable mixture would include a starting mixture of 50% nickel, 20% lithium, and 30% LAH [lithium aluminum hydride].”

    Interesting wording. Suggests to me that this might be a working but not optimum fuel mixture

    • telessar

      This is pretty normal patent language – you never want to say the mixture is exactly X, Y, Z in the specification because it can limit the scope of the claims you can make.

      • TPaign

        Wow

        • Omega Z

          unenforceable in court.

          Usually consists of the other guy having deeper pockets.
          A Path well traveled in the past by Bill Gates & Microsoft.
          In a couple cases, M-Soft merely bleed the competitor to death in court, Then bought them at a nickel having never won the legal battle.

          • Billy Jackson

            absolutely stunned. i find myself with a set of mixed emotions.. one is the anger for all the wasted time.. that i will let go as i can.. the other is elation at finally it begins!

      • Heath

        I am very happy about this. Believing that the patent was rejected and that the testing would proceed into 2016, I was a little disheartened by things. But wow.

    • Obvious

      Yep. Keys to the car, but just the restricted horsepower valet keys.

    • Skip

      By mass? By volume?

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Fantastic. With patent protection it will really take off.

    PS
    Thanks for nothing MSM.
    http://img.gauraw.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/3-Monkeys-Example-For-Living-In-Denial.jpg

    • Omega Z

      Alan
      May I ask you were you obtained a picture of my 2 brothers & I.

      By the way, I have a 3rd brother who was behind the camera.
      I wont tell you what he was doing but, I’m the one with my eyes covered.
      The pervert…

      You know what they say.
      You can choose your friends.
      You can’t choose your family.
      But I’m sure I was adopted. πŸ™‚

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Actually, the chimpanzees were from this program. They were given even larger food pellets if they could learn and then quickly ignore things that are alternatives to a carbon tax. But surprisingly in this case, they weren’t as quick as the humans they tested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPiDHXtM0VA

    • LilyLover

      MSM Attitude:
      β€’ We speak nothing good.
      β€’ We see nothing good.
      β€’ We hear nothing good.
      Yet, if good befalls upon ours senses, we ignore.
      πŸ™‚

      • TomR

        When Andrea talked about it on JONP he compared Obama to Abraham Lincoln, in that a lot people didn’t like him when he was in office. I was surprised that some people didn’t complain about what he said. I like it when he talks about what he believes and his faith in God.

  • SG

    Rossi’s patent being discussed on the /technology sub of reddit. Go easy on them since this whole topic is new to many of them.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/3idc9s/us_patent_issued_today_for_fluid_heater/

    • GreenWin

      Not worth the time. Just rank and file skeps bearing remarkable resemblance to Alan DeAngeles’ photo link below.

      • SG

        Not all, albeit many of them. People can be persuaded. For LENR devices to eventually be widely embraced, basic LENR concepts must first be widely adopted. It is worthwhile to introduce the topic to others who only have a vague notion of what it might be, if that.

      • uDevil

        Brian Josephson is getting involved on the wikipedia talk page for the e-cat. He wants to add a reference to the USPTO patent. A usually antagonistic editor agrees it is ok with only a passing negative remark. Other users then chime as usual… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Energy_Catalyzer

        • Robyn Wyrick

          Wow, what a bunch of aholes. I have never read that page before. just brutal.

        • Yesterday I tried to add the reference to the german wikipedia article, but was rejected because “patents are irrelevant”…

          But the patent rejection of the european patent office is mentioned in all it’s detailes!!

          What an oppinion making censoring…

        • Omega Z

          In the Wiki discussions it indicates that the patent says nothing about over-unity(OU):
          It in fact doesn’t claim over-unity, but having only skimmed it, I do recall it stated that it produces 6 times power out as in.

          For Real. It is not (OU), it consumes fuel. It is no different in that respect then my truck. Rossi just doesn’t use gasoline. He uses Ni / Li / H

          It also questions the Industrial heat connection(Not on the patent) of which we know was not involved at the time this patent was filed.
          Would be nice to be able to pass on these tidbits to Brian Josephson for his efforts. However, I doubt it will get added regardless.

        • Jarea1

          My god what a bunch of biased ashol… Why dont they try to remain on facts? why dont they try to describe the ECAT using references and objective descriptions? They are blocking facts, just by saying that it could be a fraud?. That option is irrelevant because a fact is a fact. If that wikipedia master is right, and it turns out that it is a fraud, then the patent would still be there and must be described in the article. WTF. Blocking the facts goes against the rules of wikipedia as by blocking or hiding information they are introducing their personal view in the article. Fairness please.

  • GreenWin

    What a lovely post LION. Gene Mallove is, I think, proud of the entire CF/LENR community without whose courage and persistence Dr. Rossi would have no shoulders to stand on.

    “If I have seen further than others, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.” Isaac Newton, alchemist

  • ecatworld

    I wonder what the patent officer thought of this part:

    Once the reaction sequence is initiated, the voltage source 33 can be turned off, as the reaction sequence is self-sustaining. However, the reaction rate may not be constant. Hence, it may be desirable to turn on the voltage source 33 at certain times to reinvigorate the reaction. To determine whether or not the voltage source 33 should be turned on, the temperature sensor 37 provides a signal to the controller 35, which then determines whether or not to apply a voltage in response to the temperature signal. It has been found that after the reaction has generated approximately 6 kilowatt hours of energy, it is desirable to apply approximately 1 kilowatt hour of electrical energy to reinvigorate the reaction sequence.

    • Owen Geiger

      I’m stunned really. I just found this story and am trying to catch up. Rossi and IH must have shown them very compelling evidence to get the patent. Maybe they gave the patent office a tour and showed them the data from the ongoing test of the plant?

      • SG

        Now, down the rabbit hole. πŸ™‚

      • Rob Lewis

        Not really true. The Patent Office has neither the desire nor the capability to verify that inventions work as claimed. For evidence, see the many patents on perpetual motion machines.

  • ecatworld

    But he does claim that the system self-sustains and is able to produce 6 times as much energy as it consumes.

    • telessar

      Right, but a chemical reaction could easily self-sustain and produce 6 times the energy it consumes. I didn’t see anything in the specification that would suggest it was a nuclear reaction.

      For clarity – I think it is nuclear (if it actually works), but the patent is written to gloss over that part (which I think was a really good call by the patent attorney).

      • Omega Z

        telessar, I agree.

        I apply electricity, That starts the reaction, that consumes fuel, producing Much more energy then I applied.
        I then backed out of my driveway & went grocery shopping.

        The difference is Rossi is using a different type of fuel that apparently fuses rather then combustion. LENR…

        I’ve pointed out before to those who associate this with OU devices. It is not OU. It is merely E=mc^2

        NOTE: Rossi does detail a radiation shield in one of the devices.

      • Jarea1

        I think that nuclear is implicit because,
        first, it is not possible to store a chemical fuel in the device dimensions mentioned in the patent. It is also not mention an exterior storage tank.
        Second, it mentions that the fuel is Hydrogen with the Catalist nickel or any other element of the column 10 (periodic table). Hydrogen can burn but again inside of that device with all the pressure you want you will never have a COP 6 if that is not nuclear.

  • Robyn Wyrick

    In 2014 NASA held a presentation by Doug Wells from NASA Langley Research Center on LENR Aircraft (https://connect.arc.nasa.gov/p1zygzm2h3i/?launcher=false&fcsContent=true&pbMode=normal).

    Doug presents a large body of recommendations for how to use LENR (Cold Fusion) in aircraft from ever-flying docking stations to space rockets.

    If you watch that presentation to the end, they have a question and answer section. At 32:31 minutes the first question states: “The presentation is made with the assumption that LENR is real and that it can be applied in aerospace. What is the basis for this assumption?”

    And everybody steps in to say, essentially, “there is nothing to report at this time.”

    Well, I bet they have something to report now.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Nainoa Mariner on our Facebook says you can get lithium foil from standard Lithium Polymer AA batteries

    http://www.doitpoms.ac.uk/tlplib/batteries/figures/LiPoly_sml.png

    • Timar

      Now if Alan could grind up the foil from such a battery and put the nickle powder into the oven for a few hours at 200Β°C (as Parkhomov did), we may have the first active run tomorrow clearly showing excess heat!

      • Bob Greenyer

        Steven Krivit posted for the first time in ages – to say the japanese government are re-starting long stalled funding for LENR research

        • Jarea1

          i can only say this: hahahahaha XD

        • Jarea1

          But how can you have a COP of 6 (1kw in and 6 kw out) during 180 days in that device dimensions?. Which chemical reaction can provide that amount of energy?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Alan is going to bake the Nickel as per Parkhomov’s instructions – but no Lithium in todays/tomorrows run, not practical – and we do need to confirm if Parkhomov could see excess.

        • Bob Greenyer

          They may be best placed. IMPO Rossi/IH should licence to everyone – that is the fastest capitalist way to get this out to everyone, if they don’t they will FORCE people to create competitive variations and for india and China to do compulsory licensing.

          • Jarea1

            I have basic question. Is this patent an international patent or is it just valid for US?. I know he had a patent only in Italy. Unfortunately, that patent was only valid for Italy.
            Now, he has a patent in the US, but does it mean that having a patent for US it is also accepted in the rest of the world?
            Could somebody clarify it?
            thanks

          • Rob Lewis

            A U.S. patent is only valid in the U.S. Europe has a “patent cooperation treaty” (name?) that lets a single application cover multiple countries. Not sure about the rest of the world. Of course, some countries (I’m looking at you, China) take a notoriously lax view of patent rights.
            Securing worldwide patents is time-consuming and expensive.

          • Zack Iszard

            At the end of the day, your products only have to be cheaper to buy and use than to reverse engineer and counter-patent. That’s been IH’s stated goal all along. With a granted patent, the cost barrier to reverse engineering and marketing a variant just went WAY up. Lawyers like their luxury goods!

            I agree that China is the biggest gaping hole in the issue, a place where brand identity matter little, and product safety is foregone for the sake of cost-cutting. If it is possible for LENR to be hazardous by ionizing radiation, an IH competitor based in China will find out, via angry calls from cancer-ridden customers.

            I apologize to any from/living in China for these stereotypes, but the unmitigated industrial chemical hazards per capita combined with an unmatched behemoth of a national production capacity make me concerned. Let’s hope Rossi is thoroughly correct about his sort of LENR being intrinsically safe.

          • Zack Iszard

            …brand identity matters* little…

          • it seems Chinese people themselves start to be worried by their own behavior. I bet they will fix it.

            http://viewhk.blogspot.fr/2015/08/a-chinese-entrepreneurs-rude-awakening.html

          • Omega Z

            Yes, China is starting to take IP serious.
            Now that they are starting to accumulate IP themselves it becomes a concern. Outsiders could claim turn around being fair play..

          • Omega Z

            Rossi could have filed internationally from the start, But, His patent application would have been published(Made Public) within 18 months after filing. It would also have drawn it out over a longer period & all fees & additional fees required over time would have been substantially more expensive. Even if said patent was never granted.

            Having been Accepted & granted by the USPTO will pave the way for international patents. Having a U.S. patent makes all others more or less a rubber stamp process as long as you pay the up front fees.

            Note: Rossi rescinded the non publish status of his patent which is required for him to file for foreign patents. I believe this is required 45 days before he can file in other countries.

            Note: Rossi paid a fee for a non publish request. A non publish status kept this out of the public view(Thus the info contained within.) until he new it would be granted.

            There are several caveats to this. Had you built & used Rossi’s device before it was published, Rossi would have had no recourse. After being published he could only ask you to cease & desist without any penalties for your prior use.

            I believe One could obtain penalties for prior use if you proved they stole it. That can be hard to prove unless you were silly enough to have the original blue prints in your possession.

        • Timar

          That makes sense when using Parkhomov’s LiAlH4 – which may be “contaminated” with elemental Li.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Al in some senses is a moderator as it stays in the bound mixed solution on the Ni – but by having more air in the cell – more Al will be sequestered chemically increasing the free Li. SiO2 in Mullite will also enable this.

    • Nigel Appleton

      True – but care needed. It’s quite tricky to dismantle these batteries without shorting them out,and a small explosion COULD happen

      It’s desirable not to expose the Li metal to air more than necessary, because it reacts quickly with moist air,and tarnishes heavily. It’s a good idea to plunge the foil into petroleum jelly. Or mineral oil – but Li floats in oil

      Also take care not to get a lithium ion battery – there ain’t no Li foil in ’em

      • Zack Iszard

        There isn’t an inert liquid solvent I can think of that’s less dense than lithium at 0.54 g/mL. You could get fancy with Xe or SF6 gas in a large plastic bucket to maintain an inert blanket, but a basic biosafety hood with continuous positive nitrogen pressure would do a pretty good job. This is the sort of thing that some folks might already have on hand, in order to safely and efficiently handle LAH.

  • Congratulations, Andrea Rossi! I’ve been following your progress since 2011, via my own blog at thinktankreport.com. I’ve had a few moments of skepticism along the way but I’m very pleased to hear your great news. It looks like 2015 will go down in history as the pivotal year for you and the E-Cat! Good luck for the future – which I’ll continue to follow with renewed interest.

  • Omega Z

    “patent office policy would be to ask for a working prototype”
    Nah, They would just reject it out right. I’m surprised they granted it just due to the fact his name was associated with it.

    And no, I didn’t take your post as saying it wasn’t LENR.

  • fritz194

    Brilliant…Congratulations…

    A well carved torjan horse of a patent – well suited to protect his ip without touching LENR.
    There is a chemical, exothermal reaction presented as heat source – no need to underline that the performance has a spectacular point in the ragone plot. Efficiency will be judged by the market.

    made my day.

  • Great news. Cold Fusion is unfolding slow and steady. .

  • Jarea1

    Rossi is already in the big oil radar. They have already accounted the risks. They cannot stop it. They cannot kill it. They can only be prepared to absorb the impact. If you read http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/ articles is all there explained.
    It seems that they are aware since 2008 and they changed the strategy from that date on. They could have an opportunity to bury this but was too late and the key points were too spread by the time Rossi announced his discovery.

  • mcloki

    A free and open internet made sure that can’t happen. The info is out there now, can’t put the genie back into the bottle.

  • timycelyn

    “…. called it right every time?” BS. George Hody a.k.a. Mary is a past master of innuendo and misrepresentation. Personally, I wouln’t believe him if he told me it was raining outside….

    As for Krivit – well, words fail me.

    • Jimmy Hoffa

      Opinions are like you know what, everybody has one. I have a different experience with those two then you do so I’ll stand by my position and wait to see what they have to say before getting on the band wagon.

      • timycelyn

        To each his own, but – good luck with that.

      • GreenWin

        Hey Jim. Where you buried these days? Heh heh.

        • Jimmy Hoffa

          You know man, I just cruise the internets here and there, looking for weakness, challenge and the occasional laugh. I was having a great time over at “Greater Things” tormenting Sterling Allan until he finally banned me.

  • Jarea1

    In fact, if LENR comes to market the energy will be so cheap that this will have a big impact. Sifferkoll explain that in his web. Food, transport, products, in fact, all that is scalable will be cheaper because almost everything depends directly or indirectly from energy. (take in mind that the future tends to a robotized industrialization)
    Only real state and services where humans are in business will be more expensive.
    The government will increase the taxes for every transaction to compensate the taxes they loose with energy (a distributed energy model where each individual produce his energy is not good for taxes). At the end, the good government value and power will not remain in a real value but in his ability to control and tax the transactions of the people. That is done through surveillance of every transaction (already happening).
    Of course, bitcoin will be the demon for governments. (assuming that the bitcoin algorithm cannot be hacked)

    • Services will become cheaper as resources are directed there. Assuming the energy was absolutely free (it won’t be but let’s just say) I would have thought your electricity/water bills would fall by, say, 75 per cent (assuming we will still need to use the grid). Our grocery costs will fall by around 40 per cent. Petrol obviously will plummet by 60 or so per cent (barring taxes). Manufactured goods will fall by 30 to 50 per cent. So because there will be such an abundance of these things many human resources will be diverted towards services. They will be relatively.more costly compared to food and manufactured goods but in absolute terms (ie assuming a constant money supply) they will still be much cheaper (let’s say 20 per cent on average). But that is just medium term stuff. Long term, with off grid energy and particularly with 3d printing (maybe jet packs will play a role too), we will see a massive decentralisation – the opposite of what occurred under the industrial revolution. So we will get a similar explosion in living standards as occurred under the IR but without the disastrous erosion of the body politic (incredible levels of sticky breaking) that resulted from the mass migration to cities. People will learn to mind their own business again and I suspect you will get more homogeneity in various locations (cultural) rather than less. Fomenting Marxist type rebellions will be all but impossible because it will be a hard sell convincing someone to risk their life fighting on the basis that they only own 2 hectares of prime farming land but their neighbour owns five. Now, if we can just break the evil shackles of vaccinations and the rest of allopathy we will have a lot to look forward to.

      • Omega Z

        Tristan
        Energy makes up about 10% of GDP spending. Your total savings will not exceed this. It also wont be evenly distributed. Some things will provide little savings and others will provide a lot savings.

        Not all savings will be passed on to consumers, tho future costs may be contained. Example: To fill the need for truck drivers, wages will need to increase. However, this increase would be offset by cheaper fuel costs.

        Increasing wages in some sectors can lead to 25% or more in prices. Savings in energy can offset a portion of that increase. Savings will be in lower price increase then would have been otherwise.

        3D printing wont be cost effective for the consumer. Mass produced products will still be cheaper. 3D will shine in industry for product development(Huge savings in final product) & some very specific products or limited product runs.

        People will still migrate to the large cities, tho there will be those like me who would fight to the death being dragged there. I don’t care how much grass & trees they plant on top of those monstrosities. That is not nature. It’s pseudo nature.

      • Timar

        “Evil shackles of vaccinations and […] allopathy”!? I for one gladly bear those shackles – they have saved my life more than once.

    • Omega Z

      Jarea1
      Government will raise taxes regardless. Tho in reality, they shouldn’t need to. People save money at one point & spend it elsewhere. This creates new jobs. Less people need government support. Government needs less money. New jobs mean new tax revenue.

      The problem is the Government has never seen a dollar, yours, mine or whoever that they didn’t think they could spend better. Over 1/3rd of GDP(And Growing) is Government spending. Where do you think they obtained that money to spend.

  • Eyedoc

    Sorry I haven’t completely read the patent… but is ‘3 kg of fuel’ specified in it ?

    • fact police

      The dimensions and composition of the fuel are given in an embodiment. If the composition is by volume, the mass is about 2.9 kg, and if it’s by mass, it’s about 770 g. Either way, the claims are consistent with chemical energy density.

      • Kevmo

        I don’t think he states how much fuel is remaining at the end of the run. If it’s 2.7kg remaining and it runs at COP6 for 6 months continuously, that’s going to be way more than chemical energy density. And all he has to do is throw up his hands and say it’s some kind of super resonant chemical reaction, possibly involving fractional hydrogen (which IS still a chemical reaction).

        • Omega Z

          Yes, Most here are aware.
          SRI is a spinoff from Stanford University.
          It does a lot of research for the Government among other things.
          DARPA provided some funding for McKubre to do some tests on the Brillouin’s reactor on SRI’s premises.

          • psi2u2

            I didn’t address his motivations in my comments, and these are not relevant to your personal attack on him. Please refrain from aggressive and irrelevant questions of other posters. It’s that kind of behavior that raises questions about YOUR motivations.

  • ecatworld
  • GordonDocherty

    While on the subject of patents, looking at recently published patents applied for, the following two look very interesting:

    Applicant: Etiam Oy

    https://www.google.com/patents/US20150162104?cl=en

    https://www.google.com/patents/WO2013076378A2?cl=en

    http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?PageNum=0&docid=20150162104&IDKey=E23EE985EA94&HomeUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fappft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO1%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526d%3DPG01%2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html%2526r%3D1%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526s1%3D20150162104.PGNR.%2526OS%3D%2526RS%3D

    http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20150611&DB=&&CC=US&NR=2015162104A1&KC=A1&ND=1&locale=en_EP

    Referenced by:

    Applicant: Airbus Defence and Space GmbH, Airbus Operations Gmbh, Astrium Gmbh

    https://www.google.com/patents/DE102013110249A1?cl=en

    https://www.google.com/patents/WO2015040077A1?cl=en

    https://register.dpma.de/DPMAregister/pat/PatSchrifteneinsicht?docId=DE102013110249A1

    http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20150326&DB=&&CC=WO&NR=2015040077A1&KC=A1&ND=1&locale=en_EP
    http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=WO&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2015040077&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.1&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en

    Perhaps some reference to the Airbus patent will be made at:

    http://www.iscmns.org/work11/

    ?

    Now, this is just a personal opinion, but I believe the patent from Pekka Soininen / Etiam Oy in particular (the first patent above) provides a very comprehensive description of what factors are involved in LENR.

    • Etiam oy patent is quite different from E-cat, more similar to the (unproven) claims of defkalion, and to the (proven) technology of Brillouin.

      If someone with resource can try to replicate this patent, maybe even Etiam could help…

      • Jimmy Hoffa

        Is Brillouin’s technology proven?

        • at ICCF17 SRI(tanzella) report WET results.
          Brillouin reported at ICCF19 COP>4 with HHT.

          • Jimmy Hoffa

            You know another thing that concerns me about Brillouin is they seem to be almost exclusively promoted by PESN. Sterling Allan will promote anything as fact no matter how odious the claims might be. As a rule, if it’s on PESN, well that isn’t necessairly a good thing.

          • Obvious

            Stirling has been a bit better grounded these past few months. His BS detector is improving (or his patience is waning). See his latest SHT story (almost, but not quite, as fantastic as the company claims, however) and his recent Keshan report.

    • John Littlemist

      It seems that Etiam’s application is strongly betting on Leif Holmlid’s UDD (ultra dense deuterium) theory. They claim that inverted Rydberg matter consists of UDD.

      • Obvious
        • John Littlemist

          Thanks, interesting indeed. Ultra dense deuterium, atomic metallic hydrogen, hydrino. A beloved child has many names?? πŸ˜‰

          • Bob Greenyer

            Not quite the same thing, Hydrino theory is saying energy can be captured from “shrinking” hydrogen.

            Rydberg matter does not create the big energy yield itself – it is claimed to be a pre-cursor to fusion. Stoyan Sarg says that the electron stops going through te structure of the proton and starts orbiting it, allowing the magnetic sensitivity to increase 630 times and thus allowing them to densely cluster and be driven by EM. These clusters could be considered a metal – for that is what Hydrogen is (though normally in a gaseous state) we all know that copper gas is less conductive than copper solid.

          • John Littlemist

            AFAIK, Rydberg matter does not consist of UDD, but inverted Rydberg matter does.

            “It is conjectured that the latent heat released by the collapse into the
            ultra-dense state has been misinterpreted as cold fusion.”

            http://www.researchgate.net/publication/222919663_Ultra-dense_deuterium_and_cold_fusion_claims

            Mills is saying shrinking hydrogen releases energy, someone else is saying collapsing deuterium releases energy?

  • Timar

    I got a bad case of pneumonia as a child, which might have killed me without antibiotics. Same for a sepsis caused by a snake bite some years ago. Although it wouldn’t have killed my, I got debilitating symptoms from lyme disease until diagnosed and treated with antibiotics.

    Of course I can’t know which serious diseases I may have avoided because I am vaccinated against them. Given the amount of ticks I seem to attract, ESME is a hot candidate.

    I’m the first to admit that Western medicine has its limitations and shortcomings. I’m a big fan af Andrew Weil and his approach to integrative medicine. Yet it is utterly foolish to undiscriminatingly describe it as “evil shackles”. Antibiotics and vaccinations have saved millions, if not billions of lifes since they were invented.

  • Timar

    Sadly, a cleaner environment will have very little effect on health care costs. Sedentary lifestyle, convenience food, soft drinks and smokings kill and debilitate more poeple than pollution ever has, by orders of magnitude. In fact, the problems the US health care system faces provide a good example of the problems a capitalist society has to deal with. People are constantly bombarded with food marketing. Food companies need to produce and advertise ever more highly addictive junk food because they need to grow in order to meet the shareholders’ demand. The lower classes have no access to proper education and fall prey for this kind of marketing. Hence the economic growth of Big Food directly translates into the growing waistlines seen among the lower classes. This is a striking observation for anyone visiting the US from abroad. Of course, obesity is a growing problem in all Western countries but it is nowhere as blatant as in the US. In fact, more “socialist” states have not only lower rates of obesity and related chronic diseases but also better functioning and much less expensive health care systems – although they provide health insurance for everyone.

  • Jimmy Hoffa

    McKubre sits on the advisory board of Brillioun. That’s business speak which suggests that he is getting a slice of those funding rounds. Put less subtly it indicates that he is being paid to promote the company in order to bring in other investors i.e. a paid shill. Bachole how old are you if you don’t mind my asking?

    • psi2u2

      He’s old enough to know that this kind of name-calling doesn’t deserve a response from him. McKubre is a first class scientist who was *asked* to join the Brilloun board. He would not have done so if he was not convinced that the science was real. Kindly refrain from slander. Thank you.

    • GreenWin

      Suggesting Dr. McKubre is any more a “paid shill” than anyone sitting on any board is trollwerk. Kindly amend your name calling or be properly banned from this site, Jimmy.

      • bachcole

        I second the motion. McKubre IS a soft evidence data point, and as such, if Jimmy does not look at the 8 videos in question, then he (Jimmy Hoffa) is behaving like a skeptopath.

  • Hhiram

    Very encouraging news. And surprising – last I heard, the E-Cat patent application had been rejected.

    I’ve been posting here for several years that Rossi’s strategy, even before Industrial Heat, has been to acquire patent protection. The idea that first-mover advantage in the market will make a difference is, I think, a bit naive. It won’t hurt, but Rossi’s company won’t be able to fend off competition from low-cost manufacturing countries like China without strong patent protection. His approach, which is frustrating to outside observers, has been to only allow enough independent testing to support a successful patent application.

    Very encouraging to see that this strategy has actual been successful! I was under the impression he had failed on those lines, and was focused only on leveraging first-mover advantage. It is possible that we will now see an accelerated schedule of public demonstrations and replications.

  • Kevmo

    I have been saying all along that cold fusioneers should simply be claiming chemical levels of activity in their patents, and delight their customers with excess heat beyond chemical. It’s like claiming your race car goes from zero to 60 in 5 seconds when really, it does it in half that time or less.

  • Omega Z

    When I researched it, based on a world GDP of 60 Trillion, about 6 trillion was (All)energy expenditures. 10%.

    Some products are energy intensive and some not.
    One has to separate a trucker burning 40 cents a mile & 70 cents to the driver. You still pay the 70 cents even if they use zero fuel. There are also other costs in the calculation that will remain. Also, the burned 40 cents includes some substantial taxes. Anyway once you separate all the gobbledygook, it will average 10% of costs.

    Also, percentage of income wise, these energy costs are a bigger chunk of those with lower income. So the lower your income, the more you’ll personally benefit. Health care costs only know one direction and it defies gravity. πŸ™