Rossi: Studying Use of ABB Collaborative Robots for E-Cat Production Line

Over the years we have heard Andrea Rossi talk about having a “robotic factory” build E-Cats when they move into the mass production phase of E-Cats. For a long time it was rather a vague statement, but today we get a better idea of what has been on Rossi’s mind. Here’s a question and response from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today about ABB Robotics (Asea Brown Boveri), a major robotic company based in Zurich, Switzerland.

Gunnar Lindberg
September 27th, 2015 at 10:05 AM
Dear Andrea Rossi,
May I ask if you are collaborating with Asea Brown Boveri using their robots? They have capacity to build a robotic factory within months.
Best regards¨
Gunnar Lindberg

Andrea Rossi
September 27th, 2015 at 1:38 PM
Gunnar Lindberg:
Yes, we are studying their small “Collaborative Robots” and I think that they will be integrated in our production systems. Congrats: you understand quickly.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

To get a better idea of what ABB’s latest collaborative robots are all about, here’s a video from the company discussing their next generation of robots, and this might be what Rossi has in mind for making the E-Cat. Rossi has said that they are looking to make their devices as economically as possible, to create economies of scale, and discourage reverse engineering — and automation will need to play an important role in that effort. I can’t imagine these robots come very cheap, and there will need to be a good deal of investment to set up a production line with them.

  • Roland

    ABB heuristic robots are a breakout product in every regard, including price, according to the articles I’ve read. They can self replicate, i.e. these robots can assemble ABB robots, and if the factory power requirements can be met by low cost LENR systems…

  • Roland

    ABB heuristic robots are a breakout product in every regard, including price, according to the articles I’ve read. They can self replicate, i.e. these robots can assemble ABB robots, and if the factory power requirements can be met by low cost LENR systems…

    • bachcole

      I am still wondering how profits will be distributed and former workers will be fed if robots are doing everything. I am looking for an incentive and market based solution, one that takes into account the realities of human nature, not some pie-in-the-sky redistribution program.

      If more people were encouraged and guided in how to set up their own home gardens, this would mean that their food would be purer and cheaper. This would be real work for real benefit.

      That’s all I got, folks, for now.

      • psi2u2

        Yep. We need to talk about the social implications, for sure. Our friend Mats Lewan has been out in front on this question, just like he has on LENR. We need a social order that is neither purely capitalistic nor purely socialistic, but is able to appropriately allocate resources in a world where traditional definitions of work are becoming obsolete because most work is done by smart machines. We’ve got about 50 years to figure it out, methinks.

        • Guru

          As Benjamin Shalom Bernanke (also known as “Helicopter Ben” ) had great idea about dropping cash from helicopters onto common folks, later augmentet in reality by tranfered trillions to banks rather then dropping onto folks. So future is clear: Some basic minimum funds paid for nothing to every unemployed person by never ending deficit govt. budgets.
          And You not wait 50 years. It will within 22-30 years.

          • bachcole

            Not a very good way to handle it, but because too many politicians are lacking too much gumption and vision, this may be what happens.

      • Zack Iszard

        That first paragraph there, probably the most intelligent thing I’ve read all month long.

        The only way we can make it through the crash of the worker class is if the most influential corporate commanders realize exactly the way that they need a healthy consumer class in order to thrive as they have. Consumer wealth is required for corporate wealth in markets based on consumer goods and services.

        A broad-reaching social change in the perceptions of how the said consumer class can generate value without a traditional job would also be a big help, for example posting weekly youtube videos of the way you go about your favorite hobby to an audience of 50,000 subscribers.

        • bachcole

          Thank you, Zack. I aim to please intelligently and board mindedly.

      • Omega Z

        It will work out.
        I’m more concerned with the up coming problem.
        4 people- 1 to old, 1 to crippled up, 1 to young to work, and 1 to take care of the other 3. That’s a lot for 1 person to shoulder. He will appreciate the robots help.

        • bachcole

          True.

          • true, if we stay inside the industrial “job-centered” reality of Ford T

            now imagine
            1 still work as self employed to help his neighbors, because he can and he is paid for. because he is helped by an army of bot, by his nephew, and advised by many internet sites and AI. He is in good health because he still work, for himself and not for a stupid young boss, who understand nothing…
            1 already run a kid business, produce courses for his younger peers, manage youngers kids and older people, with help and watch of computers, crowd and robots. He also run a crop-factory with the help of his granddad, and many bots that his crippled neigbour found for him on Amazon.
            1 is locked in his bed and manage an internet business, is appreciated by others for his advices (paid) on chess and Go, on buying, survey information on the mattrix, and watch the neigourhouses with the helps of some drone.
            1 work at google 48h a week to designe new drones and crowdtools, plus 20h to run a blog on emdrive revolution all the night, and exploit (ok, pays with big bucks, earned from google tax) shamefully his neigbours because he have no time.

      • clovis ray

        Hi, Yep,with ecat powered robots planting, cultivating, and harvesting, along with distribution, preparation,and served on a silver platter, lol.

  • clovis ray

    Frank,so is it, Nobody can seriously think that we will be ready to distribute the E-Cats in months! or Asea Brown Boveri using their robots? will have capacity to build a robotic factory within months.

    • Daniel Maris

      My reading of the situation has always been that assembly of E Cats is relatively simple (compared with say assembling an automobile or aeroplane – the latter can have a million plus parts).

      So once, you have your basic parts manufactured, assembly by robot does seem doable.

      It could be important if Rossi is looking to protect his IP – have a final assembly point where few humans are involved.

    • Axil Axil

      If a reactor is built through automation that reactor should be tested extensively before sale to a customer.

      • Jarea

        Hahaha another year test, yes please 😉

        • clovis ray

          what ARE you talking about, as each reactor comes along the assembly line, it will be tested of course,I think this is what the O man was saying,

      • Omega Z

        It will be extensively tested.
        Every lithium battery is tested before it leaves the plant. I think people would be surprised at all the products they buy that are extensively tested before their packaged & shipped.

  • clovis ray

    Frank,so is it, Nobody can seriously think that we will be ready to distribute the E-Cats in months! or Asea Brown Boveri using their robots? will have capacity to build a robotic factory within months.

    • Axil Axil

      If a reactor is built through automation that reactor should be tested extensively before sale to a customer.

      • Jarea

        Hahaha another year test, yes please 😉

        • clovis ray

          what ARE you talking about, as each reactor comes along the assembly line, it will be tested of course,I think this is what the O man was saying,

      • Omega Z

        It will be extensively tested.
        Every lithium battery is tested before it leaves the plant. I think people would be surprised at all the products they buy that are extensively tested before their packaged & shipped.

  • Owen Geiger

    Count me as skeptical. Sure, robotic assembly lines are most efficient for mass production of standardized items. But it seems to me the E-Cat is still in a relatively early design stage. The design could change every 6-12 months, canceling out the savings from the robots.

    • Zack Iszard

      With the right robots, design change requires a software change only – not hardware. Perhaps a tool or two might get swapped out, but we’re not talking completely new bots.

      Not only that, but good manufacturing design can allow for the “evolution” of a factory without replacing much capital along the way, which saves costs and maximizes process development efficiency.

      • Owen Geiger

        Let’s hope so. But the E-Cat has changed considerably over the last 6 months or so. Who knows how fast it will continue to evolve. Maybe the design has matured to where it can soon be mass produced.

    • Montague “Spitfire” Withnail

      He’s all over the place. There should be no room in his brain at all to think about this sort of stuff, let alone blog about it to strangers. I know for sure I wouldn’t be writing this now if I had a working LENR technology and the funding to develop it. Makes me deeply sceptical.

  • Owen Geiger

    Count me as skeptical. Sure, robotic assembly lines are most efficient for mass production of standardized items. But it seems to me the E-Cat is still in a relatively early design stage. The design could change every 6-12 months, canceling out the savings from the robots.

    • Zack Iszard

      With the right robots, design change requires a software change only – not hardware. Perhaps a tool or two might get swapped out, but we’re not talking completely new bots.

      Not only that, but good manufacturing design can allow for the “evolution” of a factory without replacing much capital along the way, which saves costs and maximizes process development efficiency.

      • Owen Geiger

        Let’s hope so. But the E-Cat has changed considerably over the last 6 months or so. Who knows how fast it will continue to evolve. Maybe the design has matured to where it can soon be mass produced.

        • Omega Z

          Modifying the robots to account for change isn’t an issue. What’s shown in the video is ancient technology. Capabilities developed 30 years ago. Moving the arms/teaching allows the computer to write it’s own 3D instructions. Nothing new.

          The reason they haven’t been of more use is that they are not human friendly. Sensors basically consisted of photosensors. And people being people will always act in unexpected ways. Thus, the bots needed to be caged thus the slow adaptation. It’s a liability issue. Whats changing is the sensory technology is finally catching up so that the risk to employees is becoming much less.

          As to Robotic capability, they were more precise & precision 30 years ago then people ever could be, easily working in tolerances of 10 thousandths of an inch. Today they can work in the nano range. Nano films being developed today will have better touch sensitivity then people.

          The Bot in the video seems a little slow. My 1st experience around an autonomous Bot, it operated at about 50% of it’s human counter part. Several years latter, it operated at about 200%. What changed. The business became more confident in it & let it operate at faster speeds. Just an adjustment of a knob.

    • Montague Withnail

      He’s all over the place. There should be no room in his brain at all to think about this sort of stuff, let alone blog about it to strangers. I know for sure I wouldn’t be writing this now if I had a working LENR technology and the funding to develop it. Makes me deeply sceptical.

  • psi2u2

    Yep. We need to talk about the social implications, for sure. Our friend Mats Lewan has been out in front on this question, just like he has on LENR. We need a social order that is neither purely capitalistic nor purely socialistic, but is able to appropriately allocate resources in a world where traditional definitions of work are becoming obsolete because most work is done by smart machines. We’ve got about 50 years to figure it out, methinks.

  • Matt

    Why does he always come up with the ridiculous claim of robotic factories? Three years ago he was allegedly just a blink away from starting production.
    “We have already made all the engineering of the production line in the two factories we will set up (one in the USA, one in Europe) and we will have just to set up the software of the robots and fix the drawings after the requirements of the Certificators. “

  • Zack Iszard

    That first paragraph there, probably the most intelligent thing I’ve read all month long.

    The only way we can make it through the crash of the worker class is if the most influential corporate commanders realize exactly the way that they need a healthy consumer class in order to thrive as they have. Consumer wealth is required for corporate wealth in markets based on consumer goods and services.

    A broad-reaching social change in the perceptions of how the said consumer class can generate value without a traditional job would also be a big help, for example posting weekly youtube videos of the way you go about your favorite hobby to an audience of 50,000 subscribers.

  • bachcole

    Not a very good way to handle it, but because too many politicians are lacking too much gumption and vision, this may be what happens.

  • Omega Z

    It will work out.
    I’m more concerned with the up coming problem.
    4 people- 1 to old, 1 to crippled up, 1 to young to work, and 1 to take care of the other 3. That’s a lot for 1 person to shoulder. He will appreciate the robots help.

  • true, if we stay inside the industrial “job-centered” reality of Ford T

    now imagine
    1 still work as self employed to help his neighbors, because he can and he is paid for. because he is helped by an army of bot, by his nephew, and advised by many internet sites and AI. He is in good health because he still work, for himself and not for a stupid young boss, who understand nothing…
    1 already run a kid business, produce courses for his younger peers, manage youngers kids and older people, with help and watch of computers, crowd and robots. He also run a crop-factory with the help of his granddad, and many bots that his crippled neigbour found for him on Amazon.
    1 is locked in his bed and manage an internet business, is appreciated by others for his advices (paid) on chess and Go, on buying, survey information on the mattrix, and watch the neigourhouses with the helps of some drone.
    1 work at google 48h a week to designe new drones and crowdtools, plus 20h to run a blog on emdrive revolution all the night, and exploit (ok, pays with big bucks, earned from google tax) shamefully his neigbours because he have no time.

  • giovanniontheweb

    RD and production are not necessarily well going together, within he right protective measures outsourcing might be the best solution instead of building up a brand new industrial chain

  • giovanniontheweb

    RD and production are not necessarily well going together, within he right protective measures outsourcing might be the best solution instead of building up a brand new industrial chain

  • TomR

    I am probably not the only person watching the stock price of ABB.

    • bachcole

      I don’t know who ABB is or why I should be watching their stock price. I remember ‘ABB’ here but I forgot who they are. Perhaps if you just told us who they are and what is happening to their stock price, then I wouldn’t be such an ignoramus. (:->)

      • TomR

        I tried to write this reply this morning but it was slow. It is still slow, but not as bad. The price was $17.27 Friday and closed today at $17.67.

  • TomR

    I am probably not the only person watching the stock price of ABB.

    • bachcole

      I don’t know who ABB is or why I should be watching their stock price. I remember ‘ABB’ here but I forgot who they are. Perhaps if you just told us who they are and what is happening to their stock price, then I wouldn’t be such an ignoramus. (:->)

      • TomR

        I tried to write this reply this morning but it was slow. It is still slow, but not as bad. The price was $17.27 Friday and closed today at $17.67.

        • bachcole

          Up 2.32% in 3 days.

          These are the robot dudes. I am really much more interested in Woodford.

  • clovis ray

    Hi, Yep,with ecat powered robots planting, cultivating, and harvesting, along with distribution, preparation,and served on a silver platter, lol.

  • Sylgi

    This simply doesn’t make any sense. What is Rossi going to get up his sleeves to justify new delays in production now his product is labeled. Artificial intelligence ? Alien invasion ? I used to believe in ecat. This kinda crap make me more and more skeptical.