Steorn’s Orbo has New Page — and a Product Name: The O-Cube

Since Steorn announced they were going to put on a series of webinars to demonstrate their Orbo technology, I’ve been trying to keep an eye on things as we lead up the the first webinar that will be held on October 28th.

They haven’t said too much about what to expect, except that according to the announcement on the freeenergy.news website, they will be demoing a product and answering questions, but there is some behind-the-scenes stuff going on which appears to be in preparation for a product launch of some kind.

The Steorn website (http://www.steorn.com) now redirects to this Facebook page, which is simply titled “Orbo” — no mention of Steorn at all.

On the About page, the page is described as an “Orbo User Page” with the description as “A place to hear about Orbo from the guys who made it and for Orbo users to share their experiences”

And the product described as the “O-Cube” — that would likely be referring to the device shown on this profile picture, which Steorn CEO Shaun McCarthy has sometimes referred to as a “never-die battery”

ocube

  • Jarea

    Is this magic? Never ending battery?

  • Jarea

    Is this magic? Never ending battery?

    • Maybe it is magic…

  • HiggsField

    I’ve got ants in my pants, or are those free electrons. Ah well, I hope there is some substance to this event. Got my credit card ready to go!

  • HiggsField

    I’ve got ants in my pants, or are those free electrons. Ah well, I hope there is some substance to this event. Got my credit card ready to go!

  • ecatworld

    Interesting choice of name — I wonder if they were thinking O-Cube vs E-Cat.

    • Private Citizen

      Interesting choice of logo design too. Looks like a winking monkey face to me.

      • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

        Reminds me of the Arduino logo on a skull… but the monkey is a far better similarity

        • Roland

          Striking graphic, should have good ‘stickiness’; it’s primitive simplicity is suggestive of characteristics of the underlying design, ‘child’s play’ to conceive and build, slightly menacing.

          Is creating a viral fad amongst the young a marketing parameter?

          • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

            I agree that creating a fad causes a product to be ‘sticky’ in the mind of prospective clients.
            A visual representation is as permanent as the mind perceives it to be. It must be easily identified; ‘Orbo’ (funny, in Italian it means ‘blind’, in one or both eyes, like its + – wink) has a clearly identifiable, prominent, design.

      • Albert D. Kallal

        Actually it not a problem – it is simply how our human minds work, and changing that will require re-wring of the human brain – something you cannot achieve with a simple post.

        I will simply state given my excellent track record on
        such matters, that at this point in time given what I seen so far, I remain a HUGE skeptic. If any reasonable evidence that can pass the method of Socratic debate and logical reasoning can be presented to me in a well thought out intelligent fashion, then my legitimate skepticism can and will be reduced.

        What I read on this matter that is public available is
        not sufficient to convince intelligent reasonable people like me who have a great mind and certainly one well above average in determining the legitimacy of such technologies.

        And logical reasoning can be rather nasty. You see if
        you REALLY believe that people should NOT make comments about things they don’t know about, then why make comments about me? If other words, you are rendering an opining here but then stating that without knowledge of the subject, you should not render an opinion!

        So why are you skeptical of me then?

        And why are you therefore not applying YOUR rule to not comment
        about something you don’t know about? (in this case me!) You have ZERO idea if my lack of due diligence is still not 100 times better then what you done on this subject so far!

        So you don’t know what my level of due diligence is
        compared to yours, but YOU ARE the one with THIS rule

        Thou shall not render an opinion on something one knows little
        about – so why break the rule and render a opinion about me then?
        Why then are you skeptical of me when you telling everyone not to be skeptical of something you don’t know about?

        Don’t you just love logic? However an appreciation of
        logic means you need to apply that logical reasoning process to your own statements you make here!

        If you honestly don’t believe in being skeptical of something you know little about, then applying your rule and logic means you should not be skeptical of what I state here!

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

        • “You see if you REALLY believe that people should NOT make comments about things they don’t know about…”

          Gee, I don’t recall posting this point. I do remember posting that people should not be “very skeptical” when they admit that they have not done their due diligence, but, if you want to lean, slightly, towards the negative, for the time being, then I can live with that.

          • Albert D. Kallal

            Yes, that is the “result” of your public position. It is not
            about comments (or email, or video, or voice mail) etc.

            Change “comments” to email, or letters or a web blog. The issue
            was never comments or the “means” of the communication.

            The issue is being skeptical when no due diligence has been done.

            Since you not done due diligence against me therefore you
            should not be very skeptical of what I state and claim here. Is this not the basic point you are making here?

            In other words you not explained why you are being skeptical
            of my statements here, and yet you are preaching it is bad to be skeptical of someone’s claims until such time YOU HAVE done that due diligence.
            Simply asking you to apply your own claims and logic to yourself.

            Regards,

            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • Frank Acland

    Interesting choice of name — I wonder if they were thinking O-Cube vs E-Cat.

    • Private Citizen

      Interesting choice of logo design too. Looks like a winking monkey face to me.

      • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

        Reminds me of the Arduino logo on a skull… but the monkey is a far better similarity

        • Roland

          Striking graphic, should have good ‘stickiness’; it’s primitive simplicity is suggestive of characteristics of the underlying design, ‘child’s play’ to conceive and build, slightly menacing.

          Is creating a viral fad amongst the young a marketing parameter?

          • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

            I agree that creating a fad causes a product to be ‘sticky’ in the mind of prospective clients.
            A visual representation is as permanent as the mind perceives it to be. It must be easily identified; ‘Orbo’ (funny, in Italian it means ‘blind’, in one or both eyes, like its + – wink) has a clearly identifiable, prominent, design.

  • Barbierir

    Has there been any description, explanation, test, paper, etc… that explains what it is and how it is supposed to work? I can’t find any. This seem a very long joke, even the worst of Rossi looks as a textbook of mainstream science in comparison.

    • Frank Acland
      • Frank Acland
      • Barbierir

        thanks Frank, I’m not holding my breath but it looks interesting. If there’s anything we’ll soon see.

        I wonder what was the reason for those failed public presentations years ago, they made a very good job of making themselves look as a complete farce

        • Frank Acland

          Yes, they were a huge black eye. Still, the company did not fold, and they seem to have pursued their objectives consistently, and continued to convince investors that they are worth backing. I’ve followed the company as carefully as I can over the years and at this point somewhat optimistic that they could have an important technology — of course all to be determined.

          • Didn’t they have a successful test, as well, in addition to the failed one? I think that it came some time after the failed test, though…if I remember properly.

          • Barbierir

            If I remember correctly the second time they showcased a working device but with hardly any explanation or third party review, it could win the prize as the most worthless possible demonstration

          • I’m gonna have to look up the details of that, if I can find them. I thought that this second one was at a different museum, so the museum folks could have counted as third-party reviewers. It irritates me that there seems to be a lot more information about the failed test that is easier to find than there is about the successful test.

          • Frank Acland

            That would be the demos they did at the Waterways visitor center in Dublin in Dec 09-Jan-10. They were hard to follow for non electrical engineers like me, and I don’t think they convinced too many people. I hope the upcoming webinar is different.

  • Albert D. Kallal

    The only issue here is how long such a battery takes to
    re-charge. Nothing magic about a Radio that don’t require batteries – we had
    those in the 1930’s. They run forever and don’t require batteries and never
    did.

    I never doubted that this device works, the issue of
    course is that if you have to leave it sitting on a table for 1 month to get 3
    minutes of runtime for your cell phone, then you likely are FAR better off to
    purchase a small solar charger in place of this device.

    If the USB out port can be used to continuously power a
    cell phone (while it is on – even) or any kind of USB device, then we certainly do have a miracle here, but so far we seen nothing that suggests the device can power anything of use continuously.

    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada

    • ecatworld

      Details are hard to come by right now, Albert. The best info we have at this point comes from someone working at Slattery’s pub in Dublin where one of these orbos was placed for some field testing. He wrote:

      “So its 9.20pm. I’ve fully charged two phones today from below 5% to 100%. I’ve also 1/5 and 1/2 charged phones. The ‪#‎ORBO‬ has continued to deliver. The Battery is designed for two full charges per day of a typical phone. For now it seems to be capable of more then that. Tomorrow night a staff member of Steorn will download some data from the diagnostics attachment. This will be recorded on cctv to prove that there is no refueling being done.”

      More on this thread: http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/05/06/announcement-demonstration-of-steorns-never-die-orbo-power-cube-battery-in-dublin-pub-starting-friday/

      • Albert D. Kallal

        As I said, we need more info.

        Plugging in a USB cord is a great way to charge up this
        thing, right?

        If they are plugging in a simple small JUMP drive to
        download data, then fine. However any larger kind of device being plugged in on
        a daily basis is also a means to daily re-charge the device on a daily basis!

        And anyone can walk in with a cell phone that they ask to be pugged into the device that actually charges the device as opposed to the cell phone actually be re-charged!

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • Albert D. Kallal

    The only issue here is how long such a battery takes to
    re-charge. Nothing magic about a Radio that don’t require batteries – we had
    those in the 1930’s. They run forever and don’t require batteries and never
    did.

    I never doubted that this device works, the issue of
    course is that if you have to leave it sitting on a table for 1 month to get 3
    minutes of runtime for your cell phone, then you likely are FAR better off to
    purchase a small solar charger in place of this device.

    If the USB out port can be used to continuously power a
    cell phone (while it is on – even) or any kind of USB device, then we certainly do have a miracle here, but so far we seen nothing that suggests the device can power anything of use continuously.

    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada

    • Frank Acland

      Details are hard to come by right now, Albert. The best info we have at this point comes from someone working at Slattery’s pub in Dublin where one of these orbos was placed for some field testing. He wrote:

      “So its 9.20pm. I’ve fully charged two phones today from below 5% to 100%. I’ve also 1/5 and 1/2 charged phones. The ‪#‎ORBO‬ has continued to deliver. The Battery is designed for two full charges per day of a typical phone. For now it seems to be capable of more then that. Tomorrow night a staff member of Steorn will download some data from the diagnostics attachment. This will be recorded on cctv to prove that there is no refueling being done.”

      More on this thread: http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/05/06/announcement-demonstration-of-steorns-never-die-orbo-power-cube-battery-in-dublin-pub-starting-friday/

      • Albert D. Kallal

        As I said, we need more info.

        Plugging in a USB cord is a great way to charge up this
        thing, right?

        If they are plugging in a simple small JUMP drive to
        download data, then fine. However any larger kind of device being plugged in on
        a daily basis is also a means to daily re-charge the device on a daily basis!

        And anyone can walk in with a cell phone that they ask to be pugged into the device that actually charges the device as opposed to the cell phone actually be re-charged!

        edit: As noted, I not spent time looking at this device – but even in their supposed 3rd party reports, the person remarks that data was provided to them, not that they collected such data. I remain very skeptical , but then again I not done any real due diligence of this technology – call me when commercial sales start.

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

        • “I remain very skeptical , but then again I not done any real due diligence of this technology…” FULL STOP. If you have not done any real due diligence, then stop being “very skeptical.” This is a real problem that so many people in our society have adopted this mindset that it is somehow rational or reasonable to have a strong skepticism simply because an idea is significantly far outside of the ordinary, or that it challenges the mainstream significantly. If you don’t know much, you should be much closer to the middle. To be strongly skeptical when you admit that you have not done your due diligence is pseudoskepticism, according to this article:

          http://ownshrink.com/skeptopathy/pseudoskepticism-skeptopathy-cryptodenialism-rossi-ecat/

          I know that I posted it, before, but it needs posting every time somebody posts pseudoskepticism – especially when it is as blatant as this.

          • Albert D. Kallal

            Actually it not a problem – it is simply how our human minds work, and changing that will require re-wring of the human brain – something you cannot achieve with a simple post.

            I will simply state given my excellent track record on
            such matters, that at this point in time given what I seen so far, I remain a HUGE skeptic. If any reasonable evidence that can pass the method of Socratic debate and logical reasoning can be presented to me in a well thought out intelligent fashion, then my legitimate skepticism can and will be reduced.

            What I read on this matter that is public available is
            not sufficient to convince intelligent reasonable people like me who have a great mind and certainly one well above average in determining the legitimacy of such technologies.

            And logical reasoning can be rather nasty. You see if
            you REALLY believe that people should NOT make comments about things they don’t know about, then why make comments about me? If other words, you are rendering an opining here but then stating that without knowledge of the subject, you should not render an opinion!

            So why are you skeptical of me then?

            And why are you therefore not applying YOUR rule to not comment
            about something you don’t know about? (in this case me!) You have ZERO idea if my lack of due diligence is still not 100 times better then what you done on this subject so far!

            So you don’t know what my level of due diligence is
            compared to yours, but YOU ARE the one with THIS rule

            Thou shall not render an opinion on something one knows little
            about – so why break the rule and render a opinion about me then?
            Why then are you skeptical of me when you telling everyone not to be skeptical of something you don’t know about?

            Don’t you just love logic? However an appreciation of
            logic means you need to apply that logical reasoning process to your own statements you make here!

            If you honestly don’t believe in being skeptical of something you know little about, then applying your rule and logic means you should not be skeptical of what I state here!

            Regards,
            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • “You see if you REALLY believe that people should NOT make comments about things they don’t know about…”

            Gee, I don’t recall posting this point. I do remember posting that people should not be “very skeptical” when they admit that they have not done their due diligence, but, if you want to lean, slightly, towards the negative, for the time being, then I can live with that.

          • Albert D. Kallal

            Yes, that is the “result” of your public position. It is not
            about comments (or email, or video, or voice mail) etc.

            Change “comments” to email, or letters or a web blog. The issue
            was never comments or the “means” of the communication.

            The issue is being skeptical when no due diligence has been done.

            Since you not done due diligence against me therefore you
            should not be very skeptical of what I state and claim here. Is this not the basic point you are making here?

            In other words you not explained why you are being skeptical
            of my statements here, and yet you are preaching it is bad to be skeptical of someone’s claims until such time YOU HAVE done that due diligence.
            Simply asking you to apply your own claims and logic to yourself.

            Regards,

            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • “Since you not done due diligence against me therefore you should not be very skeptical of what I state and claim here.”

            Huh? Now you’re claiming that I’m “very skeptical” of what you “state and claim?” Quite the opposite, actually. I believe you when you are saying that you have not done due diligence. I also believe you when you say that you are very skeptical of Steorn. I don’t, however, think that that is good, and I think that you should change your beliefs about Steorn to make them closer to the middle…like I said in the first response that I made to you. This conversation is getting weird…

          • psi2u2

            Mark, with all due respect you are wrong here. It is for Steorn to prove the legitimacy of its claims to Albert and the rest of us. Until that happens, given Steorn’s highly dubious history of failed or exaggerated claims, it is entirely reasonable to remain “very skeptical” until further evidence comes forth.

  • Redford

    I could certainly use a never-die battery…

    • GreenWin

      You might like this self-charging flashlight ELFE: https://www.youtube[dot]com/watch?v=9VYC8K77MSc

      • nietsnie

        I’d like to encourage anyone who buys one of these to report on it after they use it 12 hours a day for a week.

      • Private Citizen

        ironically the power scavenging technology stops working in a widespread blackout, when you might need it (i call BS on them saying it powers itself from the earth’s weak magnetic field or non-photovoltaic solar EM–it’s the “other” sources of EM that are most abundant)

  • GreenWin

    You might like this self-charging flashlight ELFE: https://www.youtube[dot]com/watch?v=9VYC8K77MSc

    • nietsnie

      I’d like to encourage anyone who buys one of these to report on it after they use it 12 hours a day for a week.

    • Private Citizen

      ironically the power scavenging technology stops working in a widespread blackout, when you might need it (i call BS on them saying it powers itself from the earth’s weak magnetic field or non-photovoltaic solar EM–it’s the “other” sources of EM that are most abundant)

  • Pekka Janhunen

    The guys don’t claim that there would be some nontrivial physics involved. They only insinuate and subtly invite the listener to think so. It’s a marketing trick which has something common with stage magic. It’s not illegal, some might question the morale, others may find it entertaining. I see no reason to think that there would be some connection with LENR.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    The guys don’t claim that there would be some nontrivial physics involved. They only insinuate and subtly invite the listener to think so. It’s a marketing trick which has something common with stage magic. It’s not illegal, some might question the morale, others may find it entertaining. I see no reason to think that there would be some connection with LENR.

  • HiggsField

    I wonder what something like this device is worth retail price wise? As a novelty device I’m sure that there are quite a few early adopters who wound pay what ever, and of course there are those who will want to pull it apart to see how it works. But, loner term I think you are looking at something that is sub $100? If it can be reduced to a chip or very small sub assembly the sky is the limit royalty wise for Steorn.

  • HiggsField

    I wonder what something like this device is worth retail price wise? As a novelty device I’m sure that there are quite a few early adopters who wound pay what ever, and of course there are those who will want to pull it apart to see how it works. But, loner term I think you are looking at something that is sub $100? If it can be reduced to a chip or very small sub assembly the sky is the limit royalty wise for Steorn.

  • Barbierir

    If I remember correctly the second time they showcased a working device but with hardly any explanation or third party review, it could win the prize as the most worthless possible demonstration

    • ecatworld

      That would be the demos they did at the Waterways visitor center in Dublin in Dec 09-Jan-10. They were hard to follow for non electrical engineers like me, and I don’t think they convinced too many people. I hope the upcoming webinar is different.