Live Experiment by me356 Using Rossi Patent Recipe

Thanks to the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project for posting about another live experiment that is being conducted by me356 using the fuel recipe from Andrea Rossi’s recently approved patent.

Live data from the experiment can be followed here: http://lenr-experiment.tk/

The MFMP Facebook page gives the following description of the experimental setup:

It is a stainless steel tube, lined with pure Iron foil (from E-Bay, China) and a mixture of baked Alfa Aesar 99.8% Ni – Spherical APS 5-15 um (25g, Euro60), Lithium 3mm wire (that came stored under paraffin) and Alfa Aesar LiAlH4 97%.

me356 has hacked the Optris PI160 (hot spot), GMC-300 Geiger Counter and PCE-830 power monitor so all the feeds are available on Plot.ly.

There is approximately 11cc of free volume and after raising the temperature to around 172ºC and holding it there, the pressure first rose to 2 bar and has dropped, presumably as the oxygen and oxides are removed from the cell. Next step will be to take it through melting point of Lithium.

  • Ecco

    May I suggest a webcam pointing at the pressure gauge so that live pressure readings will be possible?

  • Bob Greenyer

    moving to 400ºC in next 30 mins.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Moving to 450ºC in next 30mins

  • Sanjeev

    Are there any shots from optris ?

    • Bob Greenyer

      The Optris temperature file is being captured by me356’s custom software. This allows him to drive the PID with it. It also auto switched between the Optris calibration files for the camera – which is very cool.

      Will post full capture after experiment with versions of the viewer built for various platforms.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Going to 500ºC in next 40 mins

  • Bob Greenyer

    going to 600ºC in next 40 mins

  • Bob Greenyer

    As it approaches 600ºC, the pressure is really dropping (in theory, as the LiH is formed from the free Lithium and Hydrogen that was released from the LiAlH4 – but could also be because it is a steel tube that is proton conducting)

  • Bob Greenyer

    Going to 700ºC in next 30 mins – LiH melts at 688.7ºC, so that may expose more free lithium to sequester more H2.

  • Bob Greenyer

    as predicted – pressure now under 1/2 bar gauge (1.5bar absolute) – and dropping

  • Bob Greenyer

    look like we have gone below atmospheric now – running a little blind… about to hot LiH melting point

  • Bob Greenyer

    ok – so went though melting point of LiH and now pressure is going back up – already at 1/2 bar gauge again and still rising even though temp holding steady at 700ºC

  • Bob Greenyer

    pressure of 3/4 bar over atm seems settled at 700ºC – so going to take it to 890ºC (Just under LiH breakdown temp) over the next 30 mins

  • LuFong

    I appreciate the running commentary Bob. I can’t be here to watch but I am checking in from time to time and it’s nice to be able to come up to speed. Very much interested in this experiment. Good luck!

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks – 1.2 bar (over atm) now at 782ºC

  • Bob Greenyer

    SteelCell_RossiLikeFuel_Iron_Sheath calibration file here

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz7lTfqkED9WTzJWcm9vazVuaGc/view?usp=sharing

  • Bob Greenyer

    OK – going to break that LiH up… going to 1000ºC in 30 mins

    • Ged

      Holding together well so far it seems! Fun having parallel experiments, but a lot to track, haha

  • Bob Greenyer

    Now dropping to 700ºC in 10 minutes

  • Bob Greenyer

    at 700ºC pressure now held at 1.35 bar over atm – so going to drop to 500ºC in 10 minutes

  • Bob Greenyer

    Ok – 500ºC, 1 bar over atm… taking to 600 in 60s

  • Bob Greenyer

    ok – going to 1100ºC in 10 mins

  • Ged

    Calibration with 50 point moving average

    http://s13.postimg.org/thztur413/151009_calibration.png

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks Ged – Will make the data so far available soon

  • Sanjeev

    So far I see nothing unusual. What’s the plan ?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Will have a think – pressure flat, on or below atm.

      nothing out of the ordinary as you say

  • Gerard McEk

    Unfortunately there is no sign if LENR yet. I was not able to modify the x-axis over a longer period to see what happend this night. Older data seems to be deleted. Is that right?

    • Bob Greenyer

      data is logged and all will be published at the end. I can’t make a bounce stream as am co-located.

  • Bob Greenyer

    ok – going to take it down to 600ºC over 30 mins

    • Just before this decrease the setpoint was set a little bit higher.
      After that, the setpoints were steadily decreased, but the temperature still rose up a little.

      Was this an artefact? Or was this a little reaction? Maybe me356 should try to do such “triggers” more often?

      • Bob Greenyer

        me356 had a limit on the high range power that it was hitting – he removed the limit and that caused the bump.

  • Bob Greenyer

    now to 400ºC in 10 mins before bumping up

  • Bob Greenyer

    Ok – nothing of interest – shutting down – ready for next experiment.

  • Bob Greenyer
  • Ged

    Calibration graphs:

    http://s3.postimg.org/5huwpg6kj/151011_mashup_calibration.png

    http://s14.postimg.org/w32jyofv5/151011_mashup_calibration_Cper_W.png

    The spikes seem to be from the power momentarily overshooting the set point and the temperature inertia taking a moment to come back down from the overshoot.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks for your graphing Ged

      I’m to sleep now.

      • Ged

        Rest up!

  • Ged

    Running about 5-6 watts below calibration for this set point at the moment, which is about 7-8.5% lower.

    • Bob Greenyer

      me356 has just gone to bed – but he calculated just above 8% lower input power average. (before you made your comment)

      We have decided to leave it steady at 400ºC overnight to see if there is any material changes.

      To stop you getting bored, here is a little gift…

      Padua cell takedown photos

      Raw, uncut, no comment.

      http://89.102.3.236:5000/fbsharing/1aXNo8Tz

      • Ged

        Sounds like a great idea!

        Also, fantastic quality images.Those heater coils broke down quite impressively.

  • Stephen

    Just taken a look at the pictures over on the Facebook page and your quantum heat website. The device looks really elegant, beautiful even, really nice work. The thermal image from the Optris is especially beautiful I think. Any chance of posting one here from the current run?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Will post thermal image data at least by end of run.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Yes – though needs to be run in a calorimeter or Parkhomov-style boiling water reactor.

      At the moment the calibration and live run data are taken from the hottest spot on the Optris PI-160

      At the end of the run – and average over the hot zone/reactor for calibration and live run will give a more accurate impression.