Congress Views Brillouin Energy’s LENR Wet™ and HHT™ Boiler Reactor Systems For Generating Thermal Energy (Press Release)

I received the following press release and photos today from Capstreamx, Brillouin Energy’s public relations agent.

Brillouin Energy Meets Congress News Release 18.11.15 (1)

[pdf] http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Brillouin-Energy-Meets-Congress-News-Release-18.11.15-1.pdf [/pdf]

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Robert Godes demonstrates Brillouin energy’s LENR core module on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC.

 

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Dr. Michael McKubre discusses SRI’s latest tests of Brillouin Energy’s LENR technologies

 

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Robert W. George discusses the commercial opportunities for Brillouin Energy’s LENR technologies
  • psi2u2

    Congratulations to Brillouin!

  • Buck

    Information on Rep Anna Eshoo’s participation with select committees and caucuses. Most important IMO is: House Committee on Energy and Commerce

    LINK>> http://eshoo.house.gov/legislative-center/annas-committees-and-caucuses/

    I would really like to see the available photos from Brillouin . . . I am curious on who else from Congress chose to gather information at the demonstration of Brillouin’s Cold Fusion device.

    • ecatworld

      I’ve asked if they could send me any more than the three posted above.

    • GreenWin

      There is probably no better Committee in the House for LENR to debut in. This Committee:
      “… oversees multiple cabinet-level Departments and independent agencies,
      including the Departments of Energy, Health and Human Services,
      Commerce, and Transportation, as well as the Environmental Protection
      Agency, the Federal Trade Commission, the Food and Drug Administration,
      and the Federal Communications Commission.”

      Keys are in DoE, Commerce (USPTO), and FTC. Since Dr. Rossi has been awarded a patent for his E-Cat process, the Department of Commerce and DoE are now aware of LENR. IF Ms. Eshoo can get Chairman Fred Upton on board, LENR could be fast tracked for industrial and (eventual) home certification. Brillouin’s success is a success for all LENR.

      • Alain Samoun

        Nothing wrong to get money from the gov. Military do that, all the time, in larger scale…

      • Corky

        Can you imagine overseeing such? I can not. Hopefully someone can. Like the folks listed as the ones in charge of overseeing these matters.

        Position does not equal aptitude. Meanwhile, the Kosmos await.

  • Buck

    Information on Rep Anna Eshoo’s participation with select committees and caucuses. Most important IMO is: House Committee on Energy and Commerce

    LINK>> http://eshoo.house.gov/legislative-center/annas-committees-and-caucuses/

    I would really like to see the available photos from Brillouin . . . I am curious on who else from Congress chose to gather information at the demonstration of Brillouin’s Cold Fusion device.

    • Frank Acland

      I’ve asked if they could send me any more than the three posted above.

      • clovis ray

        yep, and when they plan to demo, and will it be make public, with data that will tell the real story, you know like MF/MP.

    • GreenWin

      There is probably no better Committee in the House for LENR to debut in. This Committee:
      “… oversees multiple cabinet-level Departments and independent agencies,
      including the Departments of Energy, Health and Human Services,
      Commerce, and Transportation, as well as the Environmental Protection
      Agency, the Federal Trade Commission, the Food and Drug Administration,
      and the Federal Communications Commission.”

      Keys are in DoE, Commerce (USPTO), and FTC. Since Dr. Rossi has been awarded a patent for his E-Cat process, the Department of Commerce and DoE are now aware of LENR. IF Ms. Eshoo can get Chairman Fred Upton on board, LENR could be fast tracked for industrial and (eventual) home certification. Brillouin’s success is a success for all LENR.

      • clovis ray

        GW, HI.
        Have you ever seen a demo of this device,or heard of anyone besides Mc Kubre, as i have not, why pray tell, would they not demo the device, but show off some piece of pipe with wires coming out the end, seems a little hollow, and i believe if it has the things they say that is in it, industrial heat, and Dr. Rossi and their lawyers might want a look see.

        • GreenWin

          Hello Clovis, it looks like builditnow has talked with key personnel and confirms some form of the device is working as claimed. Their VC funders understandably will not go down a public demo path at this time.

      • Corky

        Can you imagine overseeing such? I can not. Hopefully someone can. Like the folks listed as the ones in charge of overseeing these matters.

        Position does not equal aptitude. Meanwhile, the Kosmos await.

  • artefact

    Nice. A good move forward.

  • same event we heard about before but now with a (another?) PR and some pics… AND a couple more names dropped. cool

  • artefact

    With the COP 4 the Wet Boiler could replace a good heat pump and also save space.

  • artefact

    With the COP 4 the Wet Boiler could replace a good heat pump and also save space.

  • Mats002

    McKubre: “To my knowledge this had not been achieved before in the LENR field” also says (or at least I hear): To my knowledge I can not endorse Rossi/IH claims, therefore they do not exist.

    • Warthog

      Then you hear wrongly. McKubre talking Brillouin is “eyewitness testimony”, as he has tested the Brilliuin device himself at SRI. McKubre talking about Rossi is “hearsay”, and a much lower level of evidence. His position is strictly correct. If he had participated (for instance) in the Lugano test, then he could legitimately endorse Rossi as well as Godes. Just for the record, Godes himself has always maintained that Rossi’s devices are real and work, but that Rossi’s approach has problems of both startup and control (and I agree with that position…). Rossi may indeed have overcome them, but real evidence is lacking.

      • deleo77

        It’s interesting that Industrial Heat, who has invested in both Brillouin and Rossi, said on their slides that ” A number of LENR technologies are demonstrating significant progress;
        one in particular may be ready for commercialization.”

        My hunch is they are talking about the e-cat being the one that may be ready.

        • hempenearth

          Hi Deleo77,
          What’s your source for saying Industrial Heat has invested in Brillouin? I couldn’t find it in Darden’s speech at ICCF19.
          Thanks in advance.

          • deleo77

            I am having trouble pasting a link but if you Google “Darden Brillouin” you should see some references to it.

          • Omega Z

            I can’t find the specific link, but Darden invested in Brillouin along with another LENR developer prior to investing in the E-cat. I think he is much more invested in Rossi’s E-cat then any other LENR project.

        • Albert D. Kallal

          No, Cherokee investments has put money into both IH and Brillion. It not IH putting money into Brillion.

          • Omega Z

            It is the same investors of which Tom Darden is the primary investor.

        • Edac

          From web page
          http://coldfusion3.com/blog/tom-darden-reveals-why-he-backed-rossi

          “Darden admitted that he was not backing either Peter Hagelstein of MIT who is working with Jet Energy or Brillouin Energy. Instead he hinted that others were backing those projects. He described those efforts as somebody else’s children. Darden did not say if he knew who was backing those experiments.”

      • Omega Z

        I can’t help but wonder what would result from a collaboration between IH/Rossi and Brillouin/Robert Godes.

        However, That is better left until latter. Separate approaches from multiple parties expands the knowledge & different approaches to the technology. A Much better understanding. With this vast knowledge, even better LENR devices will be possible later on.

    • Omega Z

      McKubre has not been given privy to Rossi’s E-cat.
      His statement is just being honest. He has not witnessed it.
      However, he is well aware of Rossi’s work & it’s possible he is aware of more then we here at ECW are.

    • Agaricus

      To my mind such ‘dissing’ of Rossi/IH is faintly encouraging – the kind of behaviour that could be expected from competing fairground barkers: “Don’t look over there – look here!”

  • Mats002

    McKubre: “To my knowledge this had not been achieved before in the LENR field” also says (or at least I hear): To my knowledge I can not endorse Rossi/IH claims, therefore they do not exist.

    • Warthog

      Then you hear wrongly. McKubre talking Brillouin is “eyewitness testimony”, as he has tested the Brilliuin device himself at SRI. McKubre talking about Rossi is “hearsay”, and a much lower level of evidence. His position is strictly correct. If he had participated (for instance) in the Lugano test, then he could legitimately endorse Rossi as well as Godes. Just for the record, Godes himself has always maintained that Rossi’s devices are real and work, but that Rossi’s approach has problems of both startup and control (and I agree with that position…). Rossi may indeed have overcome them, but real evidence is lacking.

      • deleo77

        It’s interesting that Industrial Heat, who has invested in both Brillouin and Rossi, said on their slides that ” A number of LENR technologies are demonstrating significant progress;
        one in particular may be ready for commercialization.”

        My hunch is they are talking about the e-cat being the one that may be ready.

        • hempenearth

          Hi Deleo77,
          What’s your source for saying Industrial Heat has invested in Brillouin? I couldn’t find it in Darden’s speech at ICCF19.
          Thanks in advance.

          • deleo77

            I am having trouble pasting a link but if you Google “Darden Brillouin” you should see some references to it.

          • Omega Z

            I can’t find the specific link, but Darden invested in Brillouin along with another LENR developer prior to investing in the E-cat. I think he is much more invested in Rossi’s E-cat then any other LENR project.

        • Albert D. Kallal

          No, Cherokee investments has put money into both IH and Brillion. It not IH putting money into Brillion.

          • Omega Z

            It is the same investors of which Tom Darden is the primary investor.

        • Edac

          From web page
          http://coldfusion3.com/blog/tom-darden-reveals-why-he-backed-rossi

          “Darden admitted that he was not backing either Peter Hagelstein of MIT who is working with Jet Energy or Brillouin Energy. Instead he hinted that others were backing those projects. He described those efforts as somebody else’s children. Darden did not say if he knew who was backing those experiments.”

      • Omega Z

        I can’t help but wonder what would result from a collaboration between IH/Rossi and Brillouin/Robert Godes.

        However, That is better left until latter. Separate approaches from multiple parties expands the knowledge & different approaches to the technology. A Much better understanding. With this vast knowledge, even better LENR devices will be possible later on.

      • Publius

        I concur, when all hell breaks loose on the existence of LENR, people in a position of power aren’t coming to this website, they are going to ask who is the premier expert and authority in this field? Answer: SRI. Who do they endorse? Answer: Brillouin.

    • Omega Z

      McKubre has not been given privy to Rossi’s E-cat.
      His statement is just being honest. He has not witnessed it.
      However, he is well aware of Rossi’s work & it’s possible he is aware of more then we here at ECW are.

    • To my mind such ‘dissing’ of Rossi/IH is faintly encouraging – the kind of behaviour that could be expected from competing fairground barkers: “Don’t look over there – look here!”

  • GreenWin

    While it may annoy our good friend George H, it looks like capitalist competition is breaking down the walls of those opposed to LENR. Of particular note is McKubre & Carl Page presence as Technical Advisory Board members. Historically when silicon valley finds a new hot button, there is a stampede to commercialization. Question is, will Congress step up? Or knuckle under special interest lobbyists? Let’s hope enough traction is gained to make this an issue in the presidential election.

    • georgehants

      Morning GreenWin, one must take into account that without capitalism there would have been no incentive to hide Cold Fusion for 30 years.
      I must ask you if you can think of any reason why it would then have been hidden?

      • GreenWin

        Point taken, George. Remember however, “the market” and barter is as old as civilization. Monopoly is the corruptive element here; and that seems to be a result of tribal conflict.

  • GreenWin

    While it may annoy our good friend George H, it looks like capitalist competition is breaking down the walls of those opposed to LENR. Of particular note is McKubre & Carl Page presence as Technical Advisory Board members. Historically when silicon valley finds a new hot button, there is a stampede to commercialization. Question is, will Congress step up? Or knuckle under special interest lobbyists? Let’s hope enough traction is gained to make this an issue in the presidential election.

    • georgehants

      Morning GreenWin, one must take into account that without capitalism there would have been no incentive to hide Cold Fusion for 30 years.
      I must ask you if you can think of any reason why it would then have been hidden?

      • GreenWin

        Point taken, George. Remember however, “the market” and barter is as old as civilization. Monopoly is the corruptive element here; and that seems to be a result of tribal conflict.

  • Crickets from the Main stream media.

  • Crickets from the Main stream media.

  • attaboy

    From what I read here, it seems one could conclude that Nickel undergoes no change whatsoever in this system. And the only nuclear change is hydrogen to heiium. This is in contrast to e-cat where Nickel appears to take on neutrons to form new Ni isomers, Am I correct here?

  • attaboy

    As much as I’m a huge Rossi fan, its great to see some demonstrated competition.

    • clovis ray

      what demonstration, did i miss something, smile

  • Stefenski

    For the Layman , What’s the difference between this and the E-Cat ?

    • hempenearth

      Well, without rechecking Brillouin’s latest website, I believe different theories, slightly different market target (smaller scale units to be built), I think Brillouin claims better control (quicker on/of times). Not sure about fuel cartridge differences.

    • Mats002

      As far as I know the difference is in control; Brillouin use electric pulse, Rossi use heat and some secret sauce that could be an electric pulse but so far Rossi has never given such a hint.

      For all the rest: same recipe.

    • clovis ray

      The E-CAT works,, smile

  • snowvoardphil

    I dont understand why they went to congress and not to a privatly funded/venture capital event? I hate when busineses go show off to the goverment instead of looking for private funding. To me it sounds like “our technologie cant be sold to serious investment firms or cannot give good investement returns, so we’ll say its green and go look for funding from governemwmt officials that think green is cool”.

    • skeptickle

      “look for funding from governemwmt officials that think green is cool”. YESIREE Bob! You got that right.

    • Bob Matulis

      Perhaps heading off legislative obstacles facing new technologies?

    • Alain Samoun

      Nothing wrong to get money from the gov. Military do that, all the time, in larger scale…

    • builditnow

      Brillouin is already funded by “private funding” in Silicon Valley California.

      I met several of the Brillouin team and the SRI team a couple of weeks back, spoke to Godes, McKubrie and others, all very real and demonstrated excess energy in the multiple KW range. No doubt about it.
      The lamestream media is of course ignoring this discovery of the century.

      • clovis ray

        hi,builditnow.
        So you seen the device producing,why only a few kw range.

        • Publius

          I believe they are working on small scale prototypes and working out all the engineering bugs BEFORE even thinking about mass production and scaling up. They are an IP firm, not a manufacturer.

    • Omega Z

      snowvoardphil

      Brillouin is working to obtain private funding which is not an easy task.
      You see, Unfortunately, Robert Godes has already bartered off all but 5% of his IP to (VC)Venture Capitalists to get where he is today. Obviously, He has learned it is much harder to develop LENR then he ever thought.

  • Mats002

    As far as I know the difference is in control; Brillouin use electric pulse, Rossi use heat and some secret sauce that could be an electric pulse but so far Rossi has never given such a hint.

    For all the rest: same recipe.

  • Bob

    Very interesting. I find Brillouin’s path very refreshing. I wish them the best.
    .
    A recognized organization and individual in SRI to collaborate their device versus a “secret customer” and “secret referee”. Dr. McKubre taking an official stance in public is very encouraging and has to lend a lot of credibility to Brillouin. SRI appears to be a very respected organization and is another significant, public endorsement.
    .
    They come out and state unequivocally that they have a LENR device, running at over unity, little to no pollution and of a very small physical size. They are not stammering around with F9 positive or negative and they took their message to the people that might get the ball rolling with serious funding. (On the other hand, Congress often drops the ball in unimaginable fashion!)
    .
    Now…. can they deliver? Some will say that Rossi has delivered but in reality we do not know the real status yet. He himself stated “the skeptics could be right” (paraphrased as I did not pull up the exact quote) and always the F9. Lugano was of value. Tom Darden’s involvement if of very significant value (in my opinion), but we are waiting for the “shoe to drop” that will put an end to this LENR debate.
    .
    Hot Fusion has not produced one watt of excess usable energy. Hot fusion is accepted and it is NOT because there is a working plant in the public domain. While having a working plant that is not at a “secret customer” but available for peer review, would truly be nice and hard to argue the point. However that seems to be a future entity. In 2011 we thought 2012. In 2013 we thought 2014. Here in 2015 some are thinking 2016. Probably in reality, more like 2020.
    .
    With serious funding, that time frame can be shortened. Maybe Brillioun opened the gates some with this presentation? I keep my fingers crossed.

    • Brent Buckner

      You wrote: ‘A recognized organization and individual in SRI to collaborate their device versus a “secret customer” and “secret referee”.’
      I think you’re giving short shrift to the Lugano testers.

      • Bob

        I did not mean to disparage the Lugano testers. I am sure they are honorable and capable. It is just that they were / are not a recognized organization with a pedigree of history in the field. More importantly, for whatever reason, they have remained silent. This is an important test and it deserved follow up.
        .
        If you follow other sites and sources, you will see that SRI has a historical pedigree that does carry a lot of weight. That does not mean the Lugano testers are not valid. However I could present a paper and not many would say it carried much weight because I have no historical or recognized credibility. Especially if my paper had some questions that needed addressed.
        .
        Also, McKubre has been very vocal about LENR in various forums. He has been both confirming of certain events and has provided constructive criticism of certain events. He has earned a reputation of being a scientist of caliber and of open minded thought. It does carry weight.
        .
        Almost all major papers / tests that provide data that changes long standing beliefs, will be questioned and correctly so. (as long as the questions are legit and logical) The authors of the paper should respond to those legit questions with either addendums or revisions. This was never done with the Lugano test for some reason. Why I am not privy to. All I can say is that the testers have not responded or published anything to date. This reduces the impact of their report a significant amount.
        .

        • Brent Buckner

          I take your point, but I’ll put in a plug for Uppsala as an institution and for the publication records of the Uppsala and Lugano testers. Further, I’m not sure that a history of supporting LENR as McKubre has will carry much weight with those we’d like to become impressed (and SRI has a commercial agreement with Brillouin).

          • Bob

            I do see your view that some will see McKubre and SRI as having an economic interest since they are being paid. No doubt that issue can be raised and will be by some. While McKubre does have a history of being “pro-LENR”, both he and SRI have a longer history of recognized testing and endeavor in other scientific fields.
            .
            The Lugano testers are published scientist and that does lend credibility to them. That is why I stated I would not have much credibility as I have not published. But it is an issue that they have not updated or responded to valid questions about the test. While they are professors, they are not part of an organization such as SRI. Uppsala in a major university, But this test was not an Uppsala accredited venture and was done outside their umbrella. This does not make the test invalid, it just slightly decreases the “formal stamp” of authority.
            .
            I truly believe the Lugano group are capable and did a very good job testing something that is new and unknown. That type of test is extremely difficult to plan and design for all possible issues. There is no disgrace in running a test that needs tweeking or confirmation of data under such circumstances. My only disappointment is that valid questions arose and for some reason, none if the group has addressed or responded to those questions.
            .
            I agree that Uppsala seems to be a respected University. I do not think they officially participated in the test.
            .
            The testers were of a caliber to make such a test and I thought did a fine job with it. I do not know why the lack of follow up.
            .
            SRI and McKubre do have a financial motive. It seems that their history is such that if they did not have solid data to back their announcements, they would not do so, regardless.
            Thanks for the valid insights, I agree.

          • Brent Buckner

            Agreed that Uppsala University did not accredit or host the testing; I just felt that having four faculty members on the earlier test ( http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/Third-Party-Tests-Prove-Rossis-E-Cat-HT2-Works.html ) entwined the reputational issues.

    • Brent Buckner

      You wrote: “While having a working plant that is not at a “secret customer” but
      available for peer review, would truly be nice and hard to argue the
      point.”

      Doesn’t seem to have done much for the NANOR, albeit a working plant on a very small scale!

    • Brent Buckner

      You wrote: ” In 2011 we thought 2012. In 2013 we thought 2014. Here in 2015 some are thinking 2016. Probably in reality, more like 2020.”
      If you’re leveling that at Rossi, keep in mind that it may apply to Brillouin too:
      http://coldfusionnow.org/tag/brillouin-boiler/

      • Bob

        Most certainly! That is why I stated “can they deliver?” It was not meant as a jab, but simply a logical question. Hot Fusion has not delivered in decades. If Rossi can deliver by 2020, it will put Hot Fusion to shame. If he delivers by 2017, it may be a bit of a miracle.
        .
        If Brillioun delivers by 2020, it probably is semi-realistic. However, if the “dam breaks” and the serious muscle of a GE, Seimens, etc. was fully released, we could see LENR 100% confirmed and working plants much sooner..
        .
        As some have “thrashed me a bit” for being negative, I will state again as I have often stated. I hope Rossi gets his well deserved rewards. I hope Focardi gets his deserved recognition, (even post), Piantelli, Celani and the many others, including P&F. That does not mean that I always agree 100% with their methods AND I have always stated they have no responsibility to listen to my opinions. They can do what they want, they owe me nothing.
        .
        With that said, I do not belong to the church of the brethren, and have no problems doubting or questioning some dogmas presented. It is healthy to keep an open mind for BOTH optimistic desires and the unfortunate pessimistic facts! I call it the way I see the facts panning out. I am not derogatory nor mean spirited. I try to give credit where credit is due and I do not mind questioning that which is illogical! (and I have certainly never asked that anyone leave this site because they do not share 100% of my views. )
        .
        In the spirit of peaceful co-existence, I will try to keep in mind that my posts ruffles some feathers and will try to word them more carefully. I will stay true to my convictions though, yet always re-examining those convictions to see if they should or need modified based upon relevant facts.
        .
        🙂

    • Omega Z

      To my knowledge, Brillouin has only a couple small proof of concept prototypes. They are in the middle of an 8 million$ funding round of which they have 4 million.

      The have a 20 million$ pledge, but it can only be used for converting/retrofitting an existing power plant to LENR. However, they have neither a large LENR device nor the COP to qualify for this. COP=4 is like trading dollar for dollar.

      • Publius

        The point being they have a growing list of powerful supporters/investors/directors in Page, McKubre, Darden, and others. A nod of approval from SRI is the gold standard in LENR.

        • clovis ray

          Sorry publius,
          Page is the money, just guessing they are not connected to IH/Rossi, in any way. and as i read what Mc Kurbe said, it was far from an endorsement, and as for Mr. Darden, i don’t believe he has anything to do with this group, and i would say the leonardo corp, and I/H are the gold standard, after all they are the only ones that has produced a working device, SRI sure as heck has not produced anything, if so this forum would know all about it, believe it.

  • clovis ray

    what demonstration, did i miss something, smile

  • builditnow

    Brillouin is already funded by “private funding” in Silicon Valley California.

    I met several of the Brillouin team and the SRI team a couple of weeks back, spoke to Godes, McKubrie and others, all very real and demonstrated excess energy in the multiple KW range. No doubt about it.
    The lamestream media is of course ignoring this discovery of the century.

  • builditnow

    Nothing in the lamestream media, here is the search
    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=brillouin+energy&tbm=nws&tbs=qdr:m

  • builditnow

    Nothing in the lamestream media, here is the search
    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=brillouin+energy&tbm=nws&tbs=qdr:m

  • Jag Kaurah

    Frank,

    Please ask Andrea Rossi what he thinks of this

    • ecatworld

      It is not something I would ask him because I know what he would say:

      “I never comment on the work of my competitors”

    • radvar

      You can can always ask him yourself

  • Jag Kaurah

    Frank,

    Please ask Andrea Rossi what he thinks of this

    • Frank Acland

      It is not something I would ask him because I know what he would say:

      “I never comment on the work of my competitors”

      • Jag Kaurah

        We are not asking him to comment on his competitor. We are asking him about his view of approaching congress

        • Frank Acland

          I think he would not go to Congress for funding — he takes pride in not having had any government funding for the E-Cat.

  • Herb Gillis

    Does anyone know if they gave a similar demo in China? That might get faster funding (if it works).

  • Herb Gillis

    Does anyone know if they gave a similar demo in China? That might get faster funding (if it works).

  • ecatworld

    I think he would not go to Congress for funding — he takes pride in not having had any government funding for the E-Cat.

  • R101

    Fantastic news. I wonder if oil prices might take a little tumble since this news release. BTW, I’m loving that term “Lamestream Media” 🙂

    • builditnow

      Add nonScience, nonScientist etc.

  • R101

    Fantastic news. I wonder if oil prices might take a little tumble since this news release. BTW, I’m loving that term “Lamestream Media” 🙂

    • builditnow

      Add nonScience, nonScientist etc.

  • Zack Iszard

    The real question regarding media attention: how many other “promising new energy sources” have been presented to the U.S. Congress with a high-brow demo without coverage? The mainstream doesn’t understand the distinction between LENR and mechanical perpetual motion, so my guess is a big fat NO.

  • Zack Iszard

    The real question regarding media attention: how many other “promising new energy sources” have been presented to the U.S. Congress with a high-brow demo without coverage? The mainstream doesn’t understand the distinction between LENR and mechanical perpetual motion, so my guess is a big fat NO.

  • LuFong

    It may not be for funding purposes. It could be for regulatory purposes since this device, while nuclear, is a bit different and should require different handling. Or it may be for funding but to impress private financing entities. Who knows.

  • LuFong

    I would love to see the report describing the 4x performance. I would be interested in how long the test ran and at what power level.

    • builditnow

      Godes told me about 2 weeks back that they had a hydrogen Nickle unit that ran 30 days (my memory on the days could be off a little), then they moved it to SRI but damaged it in the move so it only ran a few days at SRI. I’m expecting that SRI has had a second unit running now for a few weeks before going to congress, but I have not confirmed this.

      • LuFong

        Thank you. Do you know at what power level BEC devices current run?

  • bachcole

    I did not see anyone other than BEC employees identified. Who was the audience, and “Congress” won’t satisfy me?

  • bachcole

    I did not see anyone other than BEC employees identified. Who was the audience, and “Congress” won’t satisfy me?

  • kenko1

    Nice to see some other than IH-Rossi news. Maybe that will speed things up a bit as far as product development and introduction is concerned. The world needed this back in 2011 and before.

  • kenko1

    Nice to see some other than IH-Rossi news. Maybe that will speed things up a bit as far as product development and introduction is concerned. The world needed this back in 2011 and before.

  • Omega Z

    snowvoardphil

    Brillouin is working to obtain private funding which is not an easy task.
    You see, Unfortunately, Robert Godes has already bartered off all but 5% of his IP to (VC)Venture Capitalists to get where he is today. Obviously, He has learned it is much harder to develop LENR then he ever thought.

  • Gerard McEk

    I hope they get some funding. If they have a real good story, it should not be difficult to get money, even form the private sector or crowd funding.

    • GreenWin

      Hello Clovis, it looks like builditnow has talked with key personnel and confirms some form of the device is working as claimed. Their VC funders understandably will not go down a public demo path at this time.

  • Gerard McEk

    I hope they get some funding. If they have a real good story, it should not be difficult to get money, even form the private sector or crowd funding.

  • Steve R

    It appears this is a re-write by CapstreamX of Brillouin’s home-grown press release covered in E-Cat World last week — and while it’s much better I don’t think it’s good enough to be effective (I say that as a former tech magazine writer who read thousands of releases in my day).

    It might be coincidence, but they’ve fixed most of the specific points I made about the prior effort (such as trademark issues, conflicting explanations of the reaction, who sponsored the meeting).

    But there are still several reasons I might have ignored this release if I had received it during my writing days. First is the obvious hype — Congress didn’t view the demo any more than “World Views Demo.” We don’t even know if Congressmember Eshoo watched any part of it.
    And yes, the location was physically “on Capital Hill.” But generally, as used in most publications, the phrase refers to the workings of Congress. If I say, “there was gridlock on Capital Hill today,” you assume I was talking about what happened in Congress, not about traffic on the streets outside. An honest statement that the demo was in a House office building meeting room would have been more credible and significant enough.

    More importantly, we’re missing the “why” — what was the purpose? To ask for funding, to lobby for or against the Clean Air rules, to raise private capital? Did Congressmember Eshoo sponsor it because she believes in it, as a courtesy to a donor, or because a staffer is an enthusiast? Is this one of a series of demos by many firms? If not, why did Brillouin get this opportunity?

    Next is the timing. A release on November 18 for a public event that happened November 2nd is unlikely to get any coverage unless there’s a more contemporaneous hook.

    Furthermore, the release could have been written before the event — there’s no independent indication of how the presentation was received. Normally, in a release like this, I’d expect to see some quotes from attendees (particularly audience members who were not connected to Brillouin) and maybe even some contact information that members of the press could use to confirm the quotes and ask for reactions. The lack of any reaction — especially of any quote from Eshoo — makes this seem like it was one of those C-Span speeches without an audience.

    The writing has been cleaned up a bit, but it’s still not good enough. You can’t expect a general audience or even most of the business press to know why Dr. McKubre distinguishes between power and energy.

    Other parts are just badly phrased: “Brillouin Energy’s technology is a proprietary method of electrical stimulation of nickel metal conductors using its proprietary Q-­‐Pulse™ control system. The process pulses the system to generate excess heat.” Putting aside the awkwardness of the repeated “proprietary,” we don’t know whether “the process” is the control system or the method or something else. And is the system that is pulsed the control system, the reactor or the entire boiler? Since most readers already assume that nickel metal is itself a conductor (of both electricity and heat), calling it one implies the other meaning of a connection between items — which are not specified.

    And last for now is the formatting and the conventions — petty in the grand scheme of things but indicative for professionals about whether to take a release seriously. The release needs a end mark (usually ” # # #” “) to show we’ve reached the end and there aren’t any further missing pages. It’s bad form to use double quotes inside of double quotes. Is it “reactor” or “Reactor” (i.e, part of the name or part of the description). There should have been background information for editors about SRI and The Anthropocene Institute and phone numbers to confirm the attributions..

    If this release gets Brillouin a story on the business or science page of every major newspaper in the country — or even a significant minority of them — you can ignore my comments. I do think it’s good that Brillouin recognized they needed a better job than their in-house effort. But it still looks to me like they need to step up this part of the game if they want the outside world to take them seriously. And I hope Billouin does do so — they appear to have something worth further exploration and if they get the funding they need it might even turn out that their approach and/or theory is what we need.

  • Gerrit

    OT: siliconrepublic “7 fascinating reads for the STEM enthusiast in your life” mentions An Impossible Invention by Mats Lewan.

    Whether you think it’s the alchemy of science, or mankind’s greatest hope for survival in a future without fossil fuels, cold fusion energy is certainly a hot topic in the science community.

    https://www.siliconrepublic.com/life/2015/11/19/best-books-stem-history

  • Gerrit

    OT: siliconrepublic “7 fascinating reads for the STEM enthusiast in your life” mentions An Impossible Invention by Mats Lewan.

    “Whether you think it’s the alchemy of science, or mankind’s greatest hope for survival in a future without fossil fuels, cold fusion energy is certainly a hot topic in the science community.”

    https://www.siliconrepublic.com/life/2015/11/19/best-books-stem-history

  • Publius

    I believe they are working on small scale prototypes and working out all the engineering bugs BEFORE even thinking about mass production and scaling up. They are an IP firm, not a manufacturer.

  • bachcole

    I am still waiting for someone to say that there were attendees other than members of Club-de-LENR.

  • Hi all

    I think it no coincidence that the head of Saudi oil just announced the need for MORE oil production
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/saudi-oil-chief-crude-output-wont-meet-demand-unless-producers-step-up-2015-11-19

    They are intend to kill off all their oil competitors now before they can LENR enable their production. This has been their strategy since Rossi announced and the Lugano report verified.

    It is a plane intention to grab the market.

    Kind Regards walker

    • Lux Terrea

      From what I read, Saudi is saying that oil wells across the globe are producing less and that more exploration should be done and more wells brought on line to make up the difference. Saudi did not say that more oil should be poured into the market but rather more wells should be brought on line to keep the supply steady.

  • This would have more impact if anybody had any faith in congress.

  • This would have more impact if anybody had any faith in congress.

    • bachcole

      Perhaps it might also have helped if a congress-person had actually attended.

  • radvar

    Might jeopardize certain u$eful relation$hip$

  • radvar

    “event, which was sponsored by U.S. Representative Anna Eshoo”

    Ms Eshoo’s district = the lions share of Silicon Valley

    http://eshoo.house.gov/18th-district/

    So, perhaps worth as much as a couple of other congress-persons from other parts of the country

  • clovis ray

    HI, GUYS.
    I hate it, but i feel this kind of unprofessional action does not help, and could blow up in their faces, if they are ask to produce and can’t, it’s F/P all over again, they may have been payed off to do that very thing, i personally don’t believe they have any more than a small effect, and are trying to squeeze all the money can out of anybody they can, i would advise caution. even if they have the rossi effect, it still belongs to I/H and Dr. Rossi.

  • radvar

    “event, which was sponsored by U.S. Representative Anna Eshoo”

    We can count on Rep Eshoo to pursue the interests of her constituents; that’s how she’s held office since 1993.

    Her constituents are in 18th Congressional district, which includes the lion’s share of Silicon Valley. Their interests are making large piles of money, having more and more high paying jobs, creating world-changing products and being leaders in innovative technologies.

    http://eshoo.house.gov/18th-district/

    They are in direct competition for the money, jobs and fame with Austin Texas, home of Robert Duncan and National Instruments, and another major technology innovation hub. So there are multiple motivations.

    Rep. Eshoo is highly focused on alternative energy. From WP: “In 2005, Eshoo worked with Nancy Pelosi to develop the Democratic Innovation Agenda, which calls for America to achieve independence from Middle East oil over the next ten years. She has led efforts to raise fuel standards for automakers, and pursued reliance on alternative energy sources both in California and nationally.”

    Rep Eshoo knows about LENR. She was willing to sponsor this event. Since she’s interested in promoting alternative energy, it is relatively certain that the entire California Democratic Congressional delegation knows about LENR (she may have even told the Republicans), Senators Feinstein and Boxer know about it, probably the local California state reps know about it (and are already anticipating California regulatory approaches), and it then follows that Governor Brown knows about it.

    And then of course all the major technology players in the Valley know about it.

    I would say that we just heard a large ripping sound from the curtain hiding LENR being torn down. However, at this point it’s more like a tattered veil falling of its own accord.

    • GreenWin

      Great comment radvar! Your last para is an LOL summation. You forget however the aggressive tech community of Research Triangle Park, North Carolina represented by David Price (and others.) This is of course where Industrial Heat / Cherokee Partners is based. Which means we have three high tech regions vying for New Fire jobs and $$.

      Interestingly the once leading tech area around MIT sounds like crickets. I guess the PhDs over there are lunching at ITER Headquarters’ new cafeteria. 🙁

  • kdk

    I’m thinking that it’s time to write my representatives and local energy company again.

  • kdk

    I’m thinking that it’s time to write my representatives and local energy company again.

  • clovis ray

    If this news breaks to early, it will hamper the release, of e-cat, causing us all to wait longer in order, to see it’s release, they need just a few more months, then katy bar the door, the race will be on.

  • Stephen Taylor

    So, from this we can conclude that Brilllouin welcomes publicity. From the recent photos posted at ecat.com we can conclude the same about Rossi. If either of them had a moderately reliable and robust system capable of COP greater than 4 and steam generation at 540C or higher then the obvious way to demonstrate the technology beyond sceptical critique is to run the steam through conventional electric generation equipment. This would either prove or falsify their claims definitively. So far it seems to me definitive proof or falsification at this level is being avoided intentionally (because it’s so obvious and has been suggested so many times).
    So I think they are not quite there yet and need more money and time for development. I just hope someone gets it figured out soon and comes forward with an impressive prototype capaple of driving a turbine or producing electricity “directly”. We wait.

    • GreenWin

      As you note Stephen, much of the reveal is intentional. Both Brillouin and IH/Rossi are introducing steam and heat as immediate products. This lowers perceived threat to electric utilities where pension funds rely on stable income to support the financial infrastructure. Electric generation comes after the world groks LENR replaces essentially all energy sources including fossil/fission, wind and solar.

      • Monty

        @GreenWin: … replaces essentially all energy sources… ?
        Didn’t Rossi reveal to us that “all energy sources must be integrated”?

        😉

  • Stephen Taylor

    So, from this we can conclude that Brilllouin welcomes publicity. From the recent photos posted at ecat.com we can conclude the same about Rossi. If either of them had a moderately reliable and robust system capable of COP greater than 4 and steam generation at 540C or higher then the obvious way to demonstrate the technology beyond sceptical critique is to run the steam through conventional electric generation equipment. This would either prove or falsify their claims definitively. So far it seems to me definitive proof or falsification at this level is being avoided intentionally (because it’s so obvious and has been suggested so many times).
    So I think they are not quite there yet and need more money and time for development. I just hope someone gets it figured out soon and comes forward with an impressive prototype capaple of driving a turbine or producing electricity “directly”. We wait.

    • GreenWin

      As you note Stephen, much of the reveal is intentional. Both Brillouin and IH/Rossi are introducing steam and heat as immediate products. This lowers perceived threat to electric utilities where pension funds rely on stable income to support the financial infrastructure. Electric generation comes after the world groks LENR replaces essentially all energy sources including fossil/fission, wind and solar.

      • Monty

        @GreenWin: … replaces essentially all energy sources… ?
        Didn’t Rossi reveal to us that “all energy sources must be integrated”?

        😉

        • bachcole

          That may have been Rossi’s practical vision of the near future and/or his trying to calm the potentially restless natives.

          • GreenWin

            Monty, this world’s “groking” ability is marginal. But getting better. 🙂

  • Mats002

    Yeah – that is bad!

  • Blacklight Power has apparently changed their name to “Brilliant Light Power”

    http://brilliantlightpower.com/

    I am 99% skeptical on this company, but would love to be proven wrong.

    Forbes article on BLP

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaellynch/2015/06/01/warning-signs-for-energy-technology-investors-3-yes-they-can-be-that-stupid/

  • Blacklight Power has apparently changed their name to “Brilliant Light Power”

    http://brilliantlightpower.com/

    I am 99% skeptical on this company, but would love to be proven wrong.

    Forbes article on BLP

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaellynch/2015/06/01/warning-signs-for-energy-technology-investors-3-yes-they-can-be-that-stupid/

    • bachcole

      I am 75% actively disbelieve, 25% we’ll see.

  • GreenWin

    Monty, this world’s “groking” ability is marginal. But getting better. 🙂

  • Michel Vandenberghe

    Congrats to Brillouin Team !

  • Michel Vandenberghe

    Congrats to Brillouin Team !

  • bilbo

    Why is Congress viewing this?
    They are a bunch of lawyers, not scientists.
    There could be a squirrel in a wire wheel inside of the device and they would buy into it with out tax dollars.

  • Jimmy Hoffa

    So they didn’t actually put on a demonstration to a sitting committee of congress like say the energy committee……right? This was more like booth or something set up outside the congressional dinning room where they stood with some posters and pamphlets and tried to get members to stop on their way to the cafeteria, for a quick photo op…….right? I mean, jeeezzzzz Louizzzzzze.