‘Our Response to A Rossi’ (Proatom.ru Reports on Successful Russian LENR Systems)

A post titled “Our Response to A Rossi” on the Russian Proatom.ru website by Alexander Prosvirnov reports on various apparently successful LENR experiments that have taken place in Russia recently, and focuses on the work of a team led by Anatoly Klimov who have reported success with a “plasma vortex” system which reportedly could produce a COP of 3-10.

The article can be read in Russian here: http://www.proatom.ru/modules.php?file=article&name=News&sid=6384 Following are some Google translated excerpts.

Scientists of the Joint Institute for High Temperatures (High Temperatures RAS), Anatoly Klimov and his team have created a plasma vortex reactor, which received a sevenfold excess output on power consumption, as well as direct evidence transmutation of elements . . .

Today we know 7 research groups in Russia and abroad, who, regardless of A. Rossi AG Parkhomov conducted successful experiments with nickel-hydrogen and nickel-lithium alloy aluminum hydride systems. [3] There were other than nickel-hydrogen LENY systems new installation on a different principle

Among other things, the article states that Nissan motor company sent people to the recent LENR conference to Shochi, Russia to keep abreast of all the work reported, and it also claims that the US Congress has been funding LENR experts from former Soviet countries “for example SV Adamenko from Kiev (author installation of “Proton-21″) is now working at the Livermore lab.” This is the first I have heard this report, and I rather doubt that US Congress is specifically funding LENR research as such — maybe they have funded some research by scientists who happen to have done LENR work.

It is also reports that the Russian institute of aviation motors is interested in LENR.

  • Christina

    Well, it seems the world is catching up. I hope Rossi will be ready to industrialize on 02-29-16.

    Christina

  • Christina

    Well, it seems the world is catching up. I hope Rossi will be ready to industrialize on 02-29-16.

    Christina

  • Gerard McEk

    I hope this will make western countries awake. But how would they know?
    Recently the Dutch government held an inquiery called (translated) ‘The National Science Agenda’. Everyone could ask questions directed to different major subjects,with the aim to plan future development and focus. One of major subjects was Science. I wrote a small article about LENR. Today I got an invitation to come to the official publication of it in The Hague on the 27th of November. I found out that there were asked 11,700 questions. 4 Questions oft hose were about LENR. These will be answered, but they were summarized in one ‘collection subject’ consisting of 32 other questions about nuclear fission and fusion energy. In that summary LENR nor Cold Fusion was mentioned, so I am not hopeful.

    • Gerald

      They know or they are blinded. Royal dutch shell still has a lot to say in Holland. And they supported lern public for a lomg Time. Combine shell with phillips and the company you worked for as lern core builders and a dream team is born… Indeed i’m dreaming, but as a dutchman myself i know when there is money to Be made the dutch will kick in big Time.

      • Agaricus

        Here in the UK our government will ignore all developments in the field and if challenged will deny that LENR is real, de-fund any gov/uni researchers who get involved, remove all ‘feed-in tarriffs’ for non-nuclear-fission energy and having successfully killed all home-grown alternatives to nuclear fission and fracking will finally be forced to allow National Grid to buy hundreds of cold fusion reactors from China, Holland, Sweden, Germany and probably even the US, in order to stop the lights going out.

  • Gerard McEk

    I hope this will make western countries awake. But how would they know?
    Recently the Dutch government held an inquiery called (translated) ‘The National Science Agenda’. Everyone could ask questions directed to different major subjects,with the aim to plan future development and focus. One of major subjects was Science. I wrote a small article about LENR. Today I got an invitation to come to the official publication of it in The Hague on the 27th of November. I found out that there were asked 11,700 questions. 4 Questions oft hose were about LENR. These will be answered, but they were summarized in one ‘collection subject’ consisting of 32 other questions about nuclear fission and fusion energy. In that summary LENR nor Cold Fusion was mentioned, so I am not hopeful.

    • Gerald

      They know or they are blinded. Royal dutch shell still has a lot to say in Holland. And they supported lern public for a lomg Time. Combine shell with phillips and the company you worked for as lern core builders and a dream team is born… Indeed i’m dreaming, but as a dutchman myself i know when there is money to Be made the dutch will kick in big Time.

      • Here in the UK our government will ignore all developments in the field and if challenged will state that there is no proven technology, de-fund any gov/uni researchers who get involved and harass any company openly working on LENR, remove all remaining ‘feed-in tarriffs’ for non-nuclear-fission energy and having successfully killed all home-grown alternatives to nuclear fission and fracking will finally be forced to allow National Grid to buy hundreds of cold fusion reactors from China, Russia, Holland, Sweden, Germany and probably even the US, in order to keep the lights on.

  • Robert Ellefson

    I’m pleased to hear of this progress, although I wish it included much more detail, in the manner of open scientific progress rather than mostly-secretive commercial work. I would be thrilled if discoveries from historic rivals serves to shame and alarm the US government, which deserves a large helping of Humble Pie after the terribly negligent manner they have treated LENR research to date. Perhaps shame and fear will finally motivate proper public funding of LENR research.

  • In my oppinion this is the best news this year!

    7 independent teams all getting excess heat!

  • In my opinion this is the best and most important LENR news this year!

    7 independent teams all getting excess heat!

    • bachcole

      But the skeptics will want replications of the replications, ad nauseum.

      • Gerrit

        Teams that report successful replications are LENR believers who can’t be trusted. Only teams that will not try a LENR replication can be trusted and none of those have reported a successsful LENR replication.

        • sadly, that’s the reality 🙁

          We need one of those teams to bring their device to a big well known university, let’s say MIT or Caltech, and let them measure and give instructions to replicate it themself.

          And this has to be done not only at one university. At leas 5 – 10 have to announce that they see excess heat.

          • bachcole

            I am perfectly happy with MIT or CalTech or any number of other elitist schools continuing to deny cold fusion. It works for my agenda, which is almost free energy for everyone and a toppling of the ivory towers.

          • TVulgaris

            The problem with toppling ivory towers is the depth and solidity of their foundations- and while the conventionalists worked against LENR and other fringe fields so strenuously, the institutions still maintain homes for Hagelstein, Swartz, McKubre, et al…

        • bachcole

          Said teams are believers AFTER they have tested the hypothesis. Anything else would be stupid and unscientific.

        • lol, thanks for the belly laugh Gerrit. great to see you.

  • Russia is a great country and Americans should try to make Russia our close friends, not our advisaries. We need to see the world through their eyes and history of being invaded by Germany and others. If Russia, China, and the USA become allies, who could oppose that dynamic trio? All three countries are very interested in LENR and all have the talent to make it work.

    • HS61AF91

      Otlichnoe predlozhenie, zelayu uspecha!

    • Bob Greenyer

      Russia lost 27,000,000 in the second world war – the largest single sacrifice – this should never be forgotten

      • f sedei

        Don’t forget the 20 million souls who perished under the despot Stalin’s rule. The current animosity is against the Russian and Chinese tyrannical leadership which prevents the suggested alliance, not their people.

        • malkom700

          History is not the feats of but also the tragedies series on each side.

        • georgehants

          Please read my comment above.
          Evidence is always far more important than propaganda.

          • f sedei

            Rather than disputing history, I think I’ll stick with scientific evidence. Thanks.

          • georgehants

            You have written “The current animosity” what has that got to do with History, should we still blame the Germans or Japanese for past crimes?

      • Jouni Tuomela

        We Finns (I was only a dream in my fathers testicles at that time though), believe that most were killed by us? 🙂
        No, but we did our best, as we already have some experiences on russian rule.
        https://www.netikka.net/studiomielty/battle%20of%20napue.html

        • Frechette

          Baron Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim is one of my heroes.

      • Frechette

        It should also not be forgotten that in the summer of 1941 the Red Army was poised to invade Germany but that Hitler beat him to the punch by a preemptive strike.
        Read “Ice Breaker” by Victor Suvorov and “Der Wortbruch Hitler, Stalin und der Zweite Weltkrieg” by Werner Maser.

    • kdk

      Eh, honestly they have a long history of border spats and wars with neighboring countries. E.g., Finland definitely wasn’t an Axis power. .02

      Honestly, they’d be after the former bloc countries whether or not they were being courted by NATO.

    • georgehants

      As I have put up earlier, our Russian friends have offered to work with a World wide alliance against all terrorism, the Americans and of course the UK have refused if the US in not in charge and able to install puppet governments everywhere they go.
      If they do not have a lackey government regardless of what the population wants then they will destroy the country.

    • Anon2012_2014

      Frank,

      Your forum should not be the place for a political discussion, no matter how well intentioned. This is an LENR forum.

      I suggest deleting all these political comments as they are noise that hides the signal.

      The Russian article by Klimov was a report by the same team that was at ICCF-19. The Google translate is hard to read, but I believe it indicates progress in their technology.

      Thanks,

      • f sedei

        Well said!

  • Russia is a great country and Americans should try to make Russia our close friends, not our advisaries. We need to see the world through their eyes and history of being invaded by Germany and others. If Russia, China, and the USA become allies, who could oppose that dynamic trio? All three countries are very interested in LENR and all have the talent to make it work.

    • HS61AF91

      Otlichnoe predlozhenie, zelayu uspecha!

      • bachcole

        Google can’t translate that. Could you help us out?

        • cashmemorz

          Translated from Ukrainian:Otlichnoe predlozhenie, zelayu uspecha!
          To English:
          Good suggestion, wish you good luck with that.

          • HS61AF91

            Izvenite, Ya daval Otvet, i togda zhe chto vy yzhe dalval. Spasibo chasmemorz.

            Please excuse, I answered, and only then did I see you already have. Thanks, chasmemorz.

        • HS61AF91

          Otlichnoe – OUTSTANDING
          predlozhenie – PROPOSAL
          Zhelayu – I WISH IT
          uspecha! SUCCESS!

    • Bob Greenyer

      Russia lost 27,000,000 in the second world war – the largest single sacrifice – this should never be forgotten

      • f sedei

        Don’t forget the 20 million souls who perished under the despot Stalin’s rule. The current animosity is against the Russian and Chinese tyrannical leadership which prevents the suggested alliance, not their people.

        • malkom700

          History is not the feats of but also the tragedies series on each side.

        • georgehants

          Please read my comment above.
          Evidence is always far more important than propaganda.

          • f sedei

            Rather than disputing history, I think I’ll stick with scientific evidence. Thanks.

          • georgehants

            You have written “The current animosity” what has that got to do with History, should we still blame the Germans or Japanese for past crimes?
            ——-
            China Responds: A Speech by Ambassador Cui Tiankai …
            20 Apr 2015 – April 20, 2015 | Keynote Speech by Ambassador Cui Tiankai at the International … peace and stability, and bring out a safe and secure world. Relations between the United States and China are key to global stability.
            http://amti.csis.org/china-responds-a-speech-by-amb-cui-tiankai/

        • bachcole

          But our current tyrants are a bunch of sissies compared with Stalin and Mao.

      • Jouni Tuomela

        We Finns (I was only a dream in my fathers testicles at that time though), believe that most were killed by us? 🙂
        No, but we did our best, as we already have some experiences on russian rule.
        https://www.netikka.net/studiomielty/battle%20of%20napue.html

        • Frechette

          Baron Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim is one of my heroes.

      • Frechette

        It should also not be forgotten that in the summer of 1941 the Red Army was poised to invade Germany but that Hitler beat him to the punch by a preemptive strike.
        Read “Ice Breaker” by Victor Suvorov and “Der Wortbruch Hitler, Stalin und der Zweite Weltkrieg” by Werner Maser.

    • kdk

      .

    • georgehants

      As I have put up earlier, our Russian friends have offered to work with a World wide alliance against all terrorism, the Americans and of course the UK have refused if the US in not in charge and able to install puppet governments everywhere they go.
      If they do not have a lackey government regardless of what the population wants then they will destroy the country or half a continent, it seems.

    • Anon2012_2014

      Frank,

      Your forum should not be the place for a political discussion, no matter how well intentioned. This is an LENR forum.

      I suggest deleting all these political comments as they are noise that hides the signal.

      The Russian article by Klimov was a report by the same team that was at ICCF-19. The Google translate is hard to read, but I believe it indicates progress in their technology.

      Thanks,

      • f sedei

        Well said!

        • bachcole

          I agree, although I confess that I have been a violator of that rule from time to time. And the same goes about global warming, given the fact that it is now MOOT, and any other subject that is going to make us look divided and kooky. It doesn’t matter if the subject is true, what matters is if society thinks that it is untrue. We need to present a united front of sanity, skepticism, reasonableness, and good will if we are going to encourage movers to move on LENR.

          • psi2u2

            Agreed, but sometimes it is nice to let the conversation wander a bit for the sake of variety. Frank is, in my opinion, wise to allow some wandering.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Good

  • Bob Greenyer

    Good

  • Fyodor

    Is there any information in the article about temperature or power levels?

  • Fyodor

    Is there any information in the article about temperature or power levels?

  • Gerrit

    Teams that report successful replications are LENR believers who can’t be trusted. Only teams that will not try a LENR replication can be trusted and none of those have reported a successsful LENR replication.

    • sadly, that’s the reality 🙁

      We need one of those teams to bring their device to a big well known university, let’s say MIT or Caltech, and let them measure and give instructions to replicate it themself.

  • georgehants

    Wonderful day

  • georgehants

    Wonderful day

  • We need one of those teams to bring their device to a big well known university, let’s say MIT or Caltech, or german max planck institute and let them measure and give instructions to replicate it themself.

  • We need one of those teams to bring their device to a big well known university, let’s say MIT or Caltech, or german max planck institute and let them measure and give instructions to replicate it themself.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      The same people who trashed Fleischmann and Pons? No thank you.
      http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-66qZ5gSL93o/Tv6HxYOxs4I/AAAAAAAAAfo/sx8oJLnogco/s1600/BostonHerald.tiff

      • Alan DeAngelis
        • pangoo

          To quote the ancients as well,

          “The ancient Oracle said that I was the wisest of all the Greeks. It is because I alone, of all the Greeks, know that I know nothing.”
          –Socrates

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Yeah, you know the world is total BS when the institutions that disparaged history’s greatest discovery are held in high esteem.

          • bachcole

            The world may be total BS, but consciousness isn’t. I still love my dog with a sweetness beyond imagining.

          • Alan DeAngelis
          • bachcole

            All of these institutions, especially the news media and academia, seem to pull together to hide the fouls ups of all of the institutions, as though they want to convince the herd that the wolves of human weakness and stupidity are not circling the herd and that everything is all right, especially with the institutions.

        • f sedei

          Paybacks will be hell.

      • attaboy

        I agree, Alan. Nathan Lewis and his cronies should be held accountable for helping us lose over 20 years progress in the advancement of lenr technology.

  • Brokeeper

    The true catalyst to world LENR is the Rossi catalyst (R-Cat).

  • Brokeeper

    The true catalyst to world LENR is the Rossi catalyst (R-Cat).

  • HS61AF91

    Otlichnoe – OUTSTANDING
    predlozhenie – PROPOSAL
    Zelayu – I WISH IT
    uspecha! SUCCESS!

  • HS61AF91

    Izvenite, Ya daval Otvet, i togda zhe chto vy yzhe dalval. Spasibo chasmemorz.

    Please excuse, I answered, and only then did I see you already have. Thanks, chasmemorz.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Yeah, you know the world is total BS when the institutions that disparaged history’s greatest discovery are held in high esteem.

  • Roger Barker

    When will these guys do a public demonstration like Rossi did? Claims are just that, claims. if
    you’re serious about LENR do a proper demonstration and show us what you’ve got. The world’s
    sleeping and if you’ve got what it takes then you can wake the sheep up. Show us what you got!

    I’ll always support those who are working with LENR. However the question is when will we
    be able to see some public tests, demos or whatever. If they ever put up a live feed, I’ll surely be
    watching to see what happens.

  • Roger Barker

    When will these guys do a public demonstration like Rossi did? Claims are just that, claims. if
    you’re serious about LENR do a proper demonstration and show us what you’ve got. The world’s
    sleeping and if you’ve got what it takes then you can wake the sheep up. Show us what you got!

    I’ll always support those who are working with LENR. However the question is when will we
    be able to see some public tests, demos or whatever. If they ever put up a live feed, I’ll surely be
    watching to see what happens.

  • Alan DeAngelis
  • Frechette

    Nonsense… I base my statement on the book “Ice Breaker” written by former USSR Military Officer Victor Suvorov. A precis for this work was presented at the US Naval Academy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Clv-c6QdBs

    As well as the German Historian Werner Maser who wrote “Der Wortbruch
    Hitler Stalin und der Zweite Weltkrieg”.

    What is the basis for your assertions?

  • psi2u2

    Agreed, but sometimes it is nice to let the conversation wander a bit for the sake of variety. Frank is, in my opinion, wise to allow some wandering.