Steorn’s Orbo Product Launch Webinar Today — 2 Products for Sale: O-Cube Never-die Charger, and Never-Charge Ophone

Today could turn out to be a significant day in the world of revolutionary energy technology. Steorn will officially unveil its first Orbo-powered products — which they maintain self-power, with no energy input needed — and will be holding a webinar to provide information about the products at 7 p.m. GMT. Link to the webinar is here:

Yesterday Steorn CEO Shaun McCarthy wrote regarding Orbo technology:

Fifteen years is a long time, but it’s only the start. I have heard many people compare Orbo to the Model T, it’s a technology at the very start of its journey into people’s lives. I believe that Orbo as it exists today is not near the Model T in terms of what it is capable of, its Christiann Huygens first combustion engine. Many people will find our first products to be too expensive and too low in function. Hey, don’t buy them, they are not for you, but they will be!

I’ll be following the events of the webinar on this thread and add information as it comes available. Two new images have been posted on the Orbo Facebook page to set the tone for the event.



They are showing handbuilt orbo cells hooked up to a scope showing work being done.

O-Cube charger 2.1 amps output USB 1200 Euros. They said this product will be shipping in the next six weeks

Phone with an orbo charger that never needs recharging is also for sale (pre-order), will be shipped in the first quarter of 2016 at a cost of 480 Euros

Orders can be placed for the O-Cube and Ophone at [email protected]

An e-cigarette and game controller are in the pipeline, expected to be available in the summer of 2016

They said that user testimonials will be available on the Orbo Facebook Page

You can watch the video of the webinar here

  • Sanjeev

    I’m in. Lets see !
    4 hours left.

    • GreenWin

      Keep us posted Sanjeev. What does an O’Cube do?

      • Sanjeev

        For now I can say it attracts Ogirls 😉
        Waiting to see it in action. I’m still a bit skeptical. 😀

        • Bob Matulis

          Looking forward to your review. I am more than a bit skeptical.

          • Sanjeev

            Probably wouldn’t need a review, it was a short 10 min prerecorded video which you can see above.
            He shows the bare bone essential component, but as we know it needs to go through some basic tests before it becomes real.
            The next event to watch will be after 6 weeks, when they start shipping.

        • artefact

          “For now I can say it attracts Ogirls”
          ok.. then I want one! No, .. two please 🙂

  • Ged

    Really looking forward to your testing of it, Frank!

  • SG

    Maybe a little typo above: “Steorn will officially *unveil*”

  • Slad

    I thought it was supposed to be a monkey! Either way, it doesn’t follow classic design ‘rules’.

    • kenko1

      Looks like a pie-eyed Homer Simpson to me. I prefer the square design like the grey demo exhibited in Slaughterys Pub.

  • ecatworld

    Countdown clock indicates it will start a few minutes late.

  • gdaigle

    Piezo electret… any thoughts from the “cats” here on that?

    • GreenWin

      Interesting claims. “Shipping within the next six weeks.” So, don’t count on an O-Cube for Xmas.

    • Stephen Haigh

      Yes its interesting to note that the Orbo technology seems to have “evolved” from the rather implausible magnetic motor 10 years ago, to something which is slightly more believable the electret generator. Albeit the best papers i can find on electrets are in the few mW range. So IF they have engineered something useful from that, I reserve my praise until i see some more evidence.

  • Sanjeev

    I’m getting a -This webinar has expired! message after a few seconds of start.
    Anyone getting anything ?

  • Teemu

    So, obviously they’re just gonna take the money and run. Does the weird scientology music and logo not scream scam to you?

    • SG

      That is not so obvious to me. If you are correct, then this would be a very long con. What is obvious to me is that we might finally get an answer as to whether the tech works or not (once Frank gets his hands on one and the long-term testing is completed).

      • ecatworld

        It would be hard for them to run and hide now, especially now that Shaun just got the Orbo logo tattooed on his left hand 🙂

        • Dods

          “Tattoo fixers can you change this Orbo logo into a getaway car please?”


        • Gerald

          Liked the bottle of wine in the back at 1:35 on the table. Not profesional but alcohol sometimes helps the mind to fall out of the box. 😉 Lets be honest and see how it works.

    • hempenearth

      They are not going to run. They have been standing their ground and fighting for 14 years.

    • towerofbabel

      I love the logo. I think I’ll get it tattooed on my…but I’m not ready to buy one just yet.

  • pg


  • Husky

    I just ordered one – i will report back if it works, once it arrives. :p

    • ecatworld

      Thanks — I’ll be interesting to hear your experience. Did you get an order form somewhere? I just got an auto reply email.

    • Husky

      Nah just the default text so far: “Thank you for your interest in
      Orbo technology. We will respond to your email within the next 24 hours.”

      • ecatworld

        Yes, same here

    • SG

      Did you pull for the O-cube or the O-phone (or both)?

      • Husky

        O-Cube only – i am still a bit sceptical but the fact that they announced cooperations with other companies (would you put your name on a product that doesn’t work) and the fact that they limit the amount of products available (why not just sell as much as possible if its a scam) imho reduces the chances of it being a scam.

        And even if it is – 1.200€ won’t kill me … on the other hand – if it is indeed working i am more than pleased to support their launch with some of my money and be one of the first human beeing that owns a device that gives energy for “free”.

  • Hhiram

    I still think this screams scam.

    My guess is that they have combined an ultra-low-power phone with an extremely high-density conventional battery, which will basically allow you to charge that phone for several weeks, or perhaps even a month or two. And then it will stop working. But that will be long enough to create the illusion of excess energy.

    The problem, of course, is that once you ship a real physical product instead of just doing a demo then people will tear it apart, test it, reverse engineer it, and expose you. So if they do actually ship this product, expect it to either work (near-zero chance) or to be their end-game of the scam. Because after this, there’s no coming back.

    • Bob Greenyer

      I have explained in detail how this works on long known principles that they have made useful and manufacturable through research and engineering.

      I said it was ambient energy harvesting (thermal/sound/vibration) and in this latest video, Shaun says it it harvesting ambient energy. It will work in a dark faraday cage, It will not work in a perfectly temperature controlled and completely sound/vibration insulated box. The box would need to not transmit any vibrations from 20Hz – 20Khz.

      If you need proof, go purchase an electret microphone off RS for $1.50

      Using one of these microphones to detect energy during testing of an Orbo would be useful.

      • SG

        > Shaun says it is harvesting ambient energy

        If you listen closely to what Shaun says: “and it’s *also* quite good at picking up ambient energy” after describing and showing the initial voltage level and noting some fluctuations. Shaun carefully chooses his words in this video. This could be interpreted to mean that the ambient energy is *in addition* to whatever the Orbo effect is.

        • Anon2012_2014

          VLF magnetic fluctuations in the 3 to 100 Hz range caused by lightning. The Russian guys claim 375 mW from a flashlight sized unit.

          I am trying to play the with energy that would be captured by a 1 pT (Wikipedia on Schumann Resonance) magnetic variation at say 60 Hz with a large coil wound on a flashlight.

          If the Russians are right, the magnetic field capture (which can be close to 100% efficient it seems to me) has similar power density as solar cells.

          Maybe this is what Stoern is, maybe the energy density of the magnetic field fluctuations is more than an order of magnitude lower?

          Looking for someone who wants to re-crack their E&M and give us an answer so we can see if this has a shot of being real.

      • gdaigle

        No, it does not harvest energy like this. My reply on the other thread is a bit buried, but I asked Shaun and he gave his reply. I also added my understanding of the tech in the top “New Photos Ahead…” reply here:

  • Hannah

    i thought this page was going to be about cats, lol kinda disappointed

    • Slad

      I think you might be looking for ecatnews?

    • Curbina

      This is a whole different kind of cat, tho, and perhaps you won’t be dissapointed at all in the long run.

    • Achi

      Follow this and you may have a funny story to tell about how you stumbled on a website about cats, just the wrong kind, the energy kind.

  • ecatworld

    No, it’s not Shaun’s daughter — her name is Rachel Wallace.

  • Dave Lawton

    I expect to find one for sale here soon…

    • Roberto Siquieros

      Love it Dave. How much will they charge -€1100 ?

  • And when will delivery start? This week?

  • Okay 2,1 amps at 5 volt is 10,2 watts.
    This is enough to power 2 raspbery pi embedded computers!

    Frank, Please try this when your orbo arrives. you could host a little static website on the raspberry and make it available on the internet with dyndns or noip. So we can all see how long the raspberry is up and running with it’s orbo power.

    • Roberto Siquieros

      This seems inconsistent, as in a lot more than, what they were saying in their previous webinar, but if it can output that continuously then that would be very cool.

      2.1A @ 5V co-incidentally, is the same output as an IPad USB charger.

      • Roberto Siquieros

        I just watched the 2nd webinar. At the end he says the output is enough for a single IPad charge per day, or a couple of IPhone charges, so it is consistent with the first webinar. I’m not sure where the 2.1A figure comes from but suspect this is the output from the battery inside the Ocube. How long does it take to fully charge an IPad at 2.1A .. about two hours? I reckon the continuous output from the Ocube is more in the region of 1W as opposed 10.2W.

      • ecatworld

        Thanks for the idea, Barty. I could try powering a raspberry pi, but not sure about hosting a website with it. I have no experience with that and not sure my internet connection is good enough for self hosting.

        • SG

          I think some LEDs that together draw between .3 W and .4 W and placed together with the O-cube in a simply constructed Faraday cage would suffice. Then perhaps you can take periodic photos or maybe even set up a live 24 hr video stream (although that might take a little more effort and $). The stated 2.1 amps at 5 volt is not continuous–that rating is for periodic charging of phones and tables. Shaun has stated that the Orbo power pack of the O-cube generates .4 W continuous.

          • Timar

            Now we finally have real purpose for that tin foil hat 😉

    • Zephir

      The consumption of raspberry heavily depends on SW, which is running on it×559.png

    • Timar

      I strongly suspect that 2,1 A denotes the maximum output of the buffer battery inside the O-Cube, like I wrote in my reply to Bob above – not the actual output of the Orbo, which would be expected to depend on ambient temperature.

    • Sanjeev

      I guess the max power is only 0.4 W.
      If the internal Li battery is fully charged then you can get a high power from it for some time till its discharged.

    • ecatworld

      I was taking notes in a hurry, and 2.1 amps referred to the USB output which is powered by the battery. Shaun said that on the O-Cube it has a single USB port which “can provide up to 2.1 amps output so it can charge both tablets, as well as smartphones.” Sanjeev below is correct that the Orbo powerpack provides only a constant power output 0.4 W.

  • georgehants

    Just say thanks to Admin for being open-minded and following this interesting subject.
    If not genuine, nothing lost, if genuine then great.
    It is good to see most of us following the premier scientific principle of an open-minded stance, always, on any subject.
    It is sad so many scientists have never been taught the correct principles, without which science becomes nothing but a joke.

    • Bob Greenyer

      I have every reason to believe it is genuine – there is no mystery here and Shaun has been honest and clear about what it is made from.

      • Timar

        Assuming they are legitimate – isn’t it strange that they claim the O-Cube to deliver a constant 2.1 A? If they would indeed harvest vibrational energy whith spectacular efficiency, thereby challenging the second law of thermodynamics, the power output would be a function of ambient temperature.

        I would suspect that they may indeed have developed a highly efficient thermoelectric device, but that it doesn’t produce anything close to a constant 10 W with a device of these dimensions, but that the 2.1 A is the maximum output of the internal battery and that the disappointed owners may end up placing their O-Cube on the radiator for it to work at least to some extend.

        What about the other applications? Well, the cell phone might keep the charge if carried in your pants pocket, where your body warmth provides the necesarry energy, but it might not work for ladies who want to carry it in their handbag. The e-cigarette would probably recycle it’s own heat – which again brings up the small issue with the 2. law of thermodynamics, doesn’t it?

        • Bob Greenyer

          It was clearly explained in the leaked video.

          The Electret layer cake produces a wild and varying voltage as it is stimulated by the environment just like an electret microphone.

          This is passed through a standard Voltage regulator to condition the output to charge a Lithium based battery.

          The battery charges things at the spec claimed – it is not much different from a small solar panel charging a lithium battery for later use.

          The Battery which accumulates this harvested energy will not run at this output for 24 hours – Shaun said 2 charges of a phone (without specifying what phone).

          • GreenWin

            Bob, so Shaun’s electret sandwich harvests sound waves? Like an electret microphone:

            “An electret condenser microphone (ECM) consists of a very light diaphragm (moving plate) and back plate (stationary or static plate) and has a permanent charge implanted in an electret material to provide polarizing voltage. The principle of operation is that sound waves impinging on the diaphragm cause the capacitance between it and the back plate to change synchronously, this in turn induces an AC voltage on the back plate. “

          • Timar

            That’s not very plausible. There is very little energy in sound waves (at least at the ambient level), and to capture it you need a moving diaphragm. It is more likely to capture vibrational energy, like a thermoelectric device.

          • Bob Greenyer

            As explained before on previous threads, you can bond two dissimilar metals, I suggested rolled zinc and tungsten to either side of Polyvinylidene Fluoride as you let it cool in the highest electrostatic field possible to polarise it. Adding dimples/ridges may enhance shear.


            Then the wildly different thermal expansion coefficients of the two metals and their differing response to vibration popagation (including sound) will allow potentials to be captured from the voltage regulator into the battery storage.

            I would test the cell in rapidly cycling thermal environments, like repeatedly dunking it in 50ºC water and ice water and seeing how much time it will drive a set load after say 10mins of exposure to this and then the same for just sitting there. I would do the same with a fixed tone generator / white noise.

            I would suggest heating the orbo voltage source to over 177ºC and see if it breaks it – I suspect it would – actually, I pretty much guarantee it.

          • Timar

            Ok, I guess I missed that video.

            10W*24h = 240 Wh is a lot of energy in gadget terms. It would be more like 20 charges for a recent generation smartphone (assuming a 12 Wh battery).

            Should such a huge discrepancy not raise a red flag? Not that there isn’t already an army of red flags about Steorn, so I guess one more or less doesn’t matter that much.

            Anyway, if we give them the benefit of the doubt we may assume that the “2 charges” is refering to what the Orbo is actually able to provide over 24 hours at room temperature, which I would be closer to 24 Wh.

            ~1 W would still be extraordinarily efficient for a thermoelectric device of this size, working at room temperature, but could be conceivable without violating the laws of thermodynamics.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I guess that when these are in the hands of people they can test them as they see fit and the real capability will be laid bare.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I thought it had a peak 0.4W output from the Electret. This charges a battery that is periodically able to deliver up to 5V, 2A = 10W – therefore, the charging capability is 9.6Wh peak. A smartphone battery is say 2.6Wh – so they with a little margin for poor energy harvesting, they are able to charge a phone battery twice.

          • Sanjeev

            Bob, if you have seen a noise waveform from ambient heat/sound/EM etc, it varies wildly, as you say. It is perfectly Gaussian.
            But I find it strange that the scope showed a signal which is similar to that from a charged capacitor, superimposed with noise, not pure noise.

          • SG

            That is what perplexes me as well. I think when Shaun referred to “ambient energy” in the latest video, he is referring to the superimposed noise. That is how I interpreted his carefully selected language. But of course, my interpretation might be wrong and Bob might be correct in that Shaun was simply stating that all of the energy is captured from ambient energy. The perplexing part is: NEITHER seems plausible given the multiple orders of magnitude higher power levels over conventional electret technology.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Because they have a really small regulation circuit that was shown in the leaked video. Unless I missed it, I do not see the lead from the basic elements run all the way to the scope. In the leaked video, he explains that the output is very unusual, and they need this regulation circuit to make it useful to charge the battery – what you describe seeing is what you see in the video, and the output does not look particularly unusual for something that is being regulated.

            Perhaps straight questions need to be asked like

            “In what way does this differ from electret configurations used for energy harvesting”

            “What is novel about this when compared to other Electret devices”


          • SG

            But the small regulation circuit Shaun talks about in the video is specifically designed to output 5 V no matter what is fed to it. What is shown in this latest video is a single Orbo cell producing much less than 5 V. The waveform doesn’t behave as a regulated waveform, but rather, is kind of all over the place (“unusual”). I don’t think this latest demo video shows the regulator circuit being used. I think we are seeing the raw voltage being produced by the Orbo cell. And the “ambient” energy Shaun mentions is expressed as additional noise apparent in the waveform. Shaun seems to maintain that the prime source of energy is not derived from ambient–temperature, vibration, or otherwise. Really, the only way we can verify those claims is to have one and put it through the gamut of proposed tests.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Needs testing, yes.

            I did not hear him state categorically that it is not harvesting sound, vibration and thermal variation (like electrets would do). There was a qualified “I’m not a scientist” reply to Frank that vibration was not the main source.

          • Sanjeev

            In the latest video with the bare bone cell, there was no voltage regulation as far as I can see.

            A voltage pump circuit will be necessary if you want to charge a battery which is at a higher voltage than the source, which is true for the Ocube with a Li battery. The orbo cell produces (perhaps) millivolts which need to be stepped up to charge the Li battery which would be at 3-4 V.

            I can’t rule out the possibility of not connecting the probes directly to the scope and using something in the middle hidden from the camera. But I guess its too late for them to perform such childish tricks. They are asking money from the consumers, which places them firmly under the law. Its either OU or traditional but enhanced energy harvester. We will know soon.

          • Bob Greenyer

            we will

          • Asterix

            Indeed, electrets are used commercially for not only microphones, but radon detectors and air filters are a significant part of the market. I suspect that the blue units shown in the video are commodity products.

            Electrets are valuable where a very long-term high-voltage very low current source is needed. Energy density, however is not very good–and you’d really want to hear some numbers there. In particular, how long does it take to charge the capacitor?

            No mysteries here–electrets have been known since the 18th century and some are even piezoelectric, though I doubt that the ones shown in the video are. The metallic electrodes themselves don’t play much part in the picture, other than places where an electrostatic charge can accumulate–the dielectric between them carries the charge.

            As a matter of fact, storage of electrets is commonly done with the electrode wires shorted together, which helps preserve the charge in the dielectric.

  • Bob Greenyer

    This looks like the inside of a standard Nokia 100 series phone like my dual sim 114.

    The battery looks exactly the same as the one that came in my phone – a BL-5C

    You can get the equivalent phone in India for under 18 Euros.

    However, their custom case will cost a pretty penny to cast/mill/machine. Would be nice if they could provide a simple replacement back for a Nokia 105 etc. with an electret/regulator charging module built in.

  • Zephir

    Actually Hhiram can charge the captret and check the principle itself already.
    He is not even required to wait.

  • Zephir

    Link to Steorn Webinar 2 captured from screen at YouTube

  • ecatworld

    Got an email from Orbo Orders this morning: “I’m sure you can appreciate there is a high level of interest and we are working our way through everyone. Could you please let us know your shipping address and we will revert tomorrow with estimated shipping and delivery details etc?”

  • ecatworld

    Shaun McCarthy is CEO of Steorn, the company that has developed Orbo. He was the voice of the person doing the demos in yesterday’s video. He has said that energy harvesting as the prime source of Orbo power can be ruled out.

  • Sanjeev
    • ecatworld

      Thanks Sanjeev: Some interesting excerpts:

      ” [According to Shaun McCarthy] No, the Orbo is not an energy harvesting device. it can be run in a Faraday cage, or a calorimeter, and it can be shown that it is producing more energy than it receives from the environment. They have precluded all forms of kinetic charging and classic energy conversion.”

      ” In response to being asked what the energy ratio of the device is, Shaun responds that this is not an appropriate way to think about it (meaning, I expect, that it takes no energy in and so its output cannot be expressed in terms of a ratio). The Orbo powerpack produces a constant 0.4 watts that is used to trickle charge the lithium ion battery.”

      “When asked about the estimated lifespan of the product, Shaun states that they’ve had Orbo batteries under constant load for approximately two years, with absolutely no degradation. The lifespan of the product itself will be determined by the lifespan of the battery and electronics, which can be replaced.”

      “Asked about Orbo’s potential for generating kilowatts of electricity, Shaun says “we don’t see a lot of opportunity at the larger scale”, and goes on to state that others are working on this problem, and good luck to them, but Steorn’s focus has always been on mobile consumer electronics.”

      • SG

        And also interesting:

        “The demonstration cell produces a voltage of 0.4 to 0.5 volts, which is a
        function of surface area. When the circuit is shorted, this voltage
        drops down to 0. When de-shorted, the voltage bounces back. Everything
        is dry, there is no electrochemical potential being degraded, so no
        matter how long the cell is shorted out, it will always bounce back to
        the inherent voltage of the cell.”

        If you take a battery, for example, and short out its ends (terminals) for a period of time, then measure the voltage across the terminals, there should be degradation in the electrical potential.

      • Sanjeev

        I also found some comments by Shaun which again indicate that he is talking about an overunity device with a COP of infinity. I left a comment for you here:

      • Timar

        Ok, so we are talking about 0.4 W. That’s about what I estimated below. We don’t need no overunity or invisible unicorns to explain that. If the O-Cube works and does indeed produce the claimed 0.4 W at room temperature, it is simply a new kind of an extremely efficient thermoelectric device. This assumption can easily be tested by operating the device at different abient temperatures.

      • Timar

        Given that an output 0.4 W for the given device under normal conditions (room temperature) is already hard on the limit of what may be possible without vialating the laws of thermodynamics, Shaun’s statement seems reasonable. This means, however, that the Orbo is hardly the groundbraking new energy device his marketing touts it to be – let alone the “death of the battery”. Even assuming the energy density could be doubled in the future (which seems unlikely), the energy density is still waaay below that of any modern battery. I can’t find any specification regarding the weight of the Orbo cells inside the O-Cube, but assuming it is 1 kg, the current energy density would be exactly two orders of magnitude below that of a dated NiCd battery at ~40 Wh/kg, and three orders of magnitude below that of an advanced Lithium battery. It would be an outstanding technical accomplishment for sure, but given the mass and the costs of the materials need to “gather” the energy it would hardly be of any help to solve the World’s energy problems.

        • ecatworld

          I’m working from memory here, but I believe that Shaun McCarthy said in the video below, the O-Cube itself weighs about about 0.5 kg, and half its weight is made up of the alloy case. So the total weight fo the innards is 250 grams, and I believe Shaun said that the orbo pack is half the weight of everything inside the case — so about 125 grams.


          • Timar

            Ok, that may raise the power density by one order of magnitude, but 4 W/kg is still an abysmall energy density. As an energy source, it wouldn’t be able to compete with solar or wind, let alone fossil fuel or nuclear energy even if it would cost one hundredth of its current price (I just bought a solar charger for $15 which gives an output of 5W in direct sunlight)

          • ecatworld

            I don’t think they have any interest in energy production for large scale — their focus is on providing power for consumer devices. Back in 2009 McCarthy stated: “The availability of free energy will change everything, the availability of free energy in the form of Orbo is even more significant since it can be engineered directly into devices, i.e. no grid connections are required. So Orbo will impact every aspect of our lives.”

            But to reach this goal the will have to significantly improve power density.

          • Timar

            Sure, but it is not possible to increase the power density much further without breaking the laws of thermodynamics. Are the laws of thermodynamics definite? Yes they are. This is very different from LENR, which is nuclear energy generated by a yet unknown mechanism. LENR doesn’t contradict the known laws of physics. The laws of thermodynamics, however, are among the most fundamental laws of physics.

          • “Our universe simply doesn’t allow for a device breaking those laws.”

            Then again, not to sound too flippant…but…maybe that’s just wrong, son.

          • radvar

            The law applies to closed systems, so it depends on what is meant by “closed”. Like, in an electronics case, a Faraday cage, or Newtonian/Cartesian space-time? The latter of which is looking less and less “closed” all the…time.

          • “The law applies to closed systems…”

            Then again, not to sound too flippant…but…maybe that law is just wrong, son.

          • ecatworld

            That is assuming that this is a thermoelectric device — and Steorn says that it isn’t.

          • Anon2012_2014

            maybe it is rectifying induced current from a changing earth’s magnetic field.

            2.1 amps, how many volts???

            I am looking for a simple place that has all the specifications of Orbo so I can conjecture about what is does to generate the power.

            I am afraid this is a 100 mW wonder the size of a cellphone.

  • BillH

    Doesn’t this all sound a bit too much like:-

    They even mention the piezoelectric effect. The piezoelectric effect was discovered in 1880 by two French physicists, brothers Pierre and Paul-Jacques Curie, in crystals of quartz, tourmaline, and Rochelle salt (potassium sodium tartrate).

    Even the charging of the capacitor in the demo didn’t look very authentic. We may have seen the resistance of the device, and know the time it took to fully charge but we never get to see the capacitance so how much charge is stored is never revealed. maybe someone can work it out from the time constant of the RC charging circuit?

    Not convinced? OK, buy one. All those parting with 1200 Euros will surely form a long queue.

    • SG

      Yes, Shaun mentioned that it is “piezoelectric to an extent.” What he means by that is open to interpretation and doesn’t really tell us too much. The cell certainly does not appear to be a conventional piezoelectric device. And piezoelectric devices produce tiny electrical potentials–nothing close to what Steorn are claiming in their devices.

  • Bob Greenyer

    In 2006 it was possible to generate 38mW from 15mm thick device – I don’t know what the area was or any other specifics. It was designed to harvest seismic frequency vibrations.

  • georgehants

    I am sure all our millions of establishment scientists will have made sure they acquire one for their highly qualified people to pull apart and give a full honest report within days of the actual working principles.
    These so clever people, that cost the population billions in taxes have already shown their capabilities with Cold Fusion.

    • SG

      > not a single scientist stood-up and said that Cold Fusion is a phenomenon that must be investigated with great urgency. WHY?

      In some cases fear. In some cases greed. That is why LENR is largely a grass-roots effort.

    • kdk

      Which do you think will happen first, common knowledge of space aliens or of cold fusion?

  • tchernik

    Without any implied endorsement (things that looks too good to be true usually are):

    If you had something that works, but nobody would believe you it does and thus, nobody will finance you for making a big demonstrator, it’s probably a good idea to make a precedent with small scale devices that also work, especially if your technology seems able to downscale/upscale very well.

    Once a lot of people have one device in their hands, the news of it working won’t be coming only from you, but from a tidal wave of people exchanging experiences.

    • Nicholas Payne

      All you say is true, except not relevant here. You don’t need a big demonstration, just a working one. There are industrial application that use energy harvesting or need about 20mW of continuous power where this would be cost effective because you are savings miles of wire and expensive installation in a factory

  • Slad

    Frank, in order to test the Orbo works as claimed, without taking it apart, you need to prove that it’s not hiding an Al-air battery inside.

    You can do this by weighing it, then multiplying the weight (in kg) by 1083000 mAh/kg. This gives you the mAh rating of an equivalent Al-air battery. I’d also multiply this figure by 1.1 for a reasonable safety margin.

    Install a battery counter app on the phone being tested. These read values from the phones charge circuitry (hence should be fairly well calibrated), and will tell you how many mAh were added each charge. I’m sure some of these apps will be able to keep a running total.

    When this running total becomes larger than the figure calculated earlier, you can’t quite proclaim it’s a “free energy” device, but you can say that it is a very interesting and novel technology.

    Note that this would take around 426 charges of a Samsung S5, 658 charges of an iphone 6, and between 103 to 160 charges of the various ipads, for each kilo that that Orbo weighs.

    The problem is that you can’t test it by just hooking up a load and meters to the Orbo’s terminals, as it should have a protection circuit inside to prevent discharge of the internal “reservoir” Li-po below 3V.

    I would be tempted to completely drain (to 3V) the Li-po, open the Orbo’s case up, strip the wires coming out of the “power generation” block and short them out for 24 hours. If it could fully charge the internal Li-po after that, then no need for the year of testing…

    I find the ‘Greenyer Electret Theory’ fairly persuasive, which still holds it to be a technically very interesting object, especially if they can miniaturise it. I’m not sure how to test that hypothesis though, non-destructively that is.

    • ecatworld

      Hi Slad,

      I found out that I can open up the Ocube without voiding the warranty, I just can’t open up the internal components. So it will be easier to check what’s inside. I suspect it will look something close to this:

      The item marked 4 is the Orbo power pack; the part with the blue tape around it is the Li-ion battery. I will try to find a way to weigh each component separately.

      • Slad

        In that case, even if it’s all glued together, it should be easy enough to estimate the weight of the alumnium box, and reduce the number of charges as necessary.

  • Sanjeev

    Here is a blog where people are reporting their buying experiences:

    I guess we should begin to see some reviews and reports starting from late January 2016.