Overview of the Electric E-Cat X

As expected, since announcing the generation of electricity from the E-Cat X there have been lots of questions for Andrea Rossi on the Journal of Nuclear Physics about it, and Rossi has provided many answers that I will attempt to summarize here, rather than copy a list of direct quotes Original quotes can be found on the JONP (threads here and here) www.rossilivecat.com

Regarding the breakthrough discovery, Rossi said that he has for a long time been looking for ways to generate electricity directly from the E-Cat, and though they had found an electromagnetic effect, he had not been able to produce anything that was consistent or reliable. On December 25, Rossi says that he had an idea to try something new with the E-Cat X, and in doing so found that the electricity flowed: “suddenly, during a night in the plant, I got an idea that arrived unexpected, and in few seconds we got a progress that we didn’t get in years.”

Work on the E-Cat X is taking place in a separate lab from the shipping container where the 1 MW plant is located, but it’s close to allow for easy access to both working locations. Immediately on making this discovery, shut off access to this lab to anyone but himself — in fact he says he is the only person who has seen the E-Cat X producing electricity. He has gone to work right away writing a new patent application that covers this discovery which he says he will deposit within days. He says he cannot provide more information at this point on the E-Cat X to avoid pre-disclosure. One thing he does say is that the ratio of heat to electricity can be adjusted, and also Volts and Amps can be adjusted.

The E-Cat X is based on the same wafer technology that is described in the US Patent that covers the E-Cat, and he built the E-Cat X to fit within this patent, which he emphasized belongs to Leonardo Corporation. He says that once the patent application has been filed he will “set up a specific team in Leonardo Corporation” to work on the E-Cat X.

The E-Cat X uses wafers as described in his US Patent and these wafers which include the fuel and the electric resistors are now being produced by machine, rather than being hand built. When asked if the E-Cat X had any moving parts, Rossi responded, “confidential” but he says it makes no sound when operating. He also said that it does include additional parts.

The electric E-Cat X does require an external energy source to operate, but Rossi does say that it continues to produce electricity during period of self-sustain. Regarding the efficiency of the electricity production, he says it is very high, as is the COP. He says that the power of the E-Cat X can be throttled up and down and that the response is fast.

So that’s a summary of the way things are at the moment, based on what AR has reported. It’s interesting to me that he is again emphasizing the primacy of Leonardo Corporation in this whole enterprise with the E-Cat X, rather than Industrial Heat.

  • I just hope I can stick around for the next ten years.
    2020 world is going to be a totally different.
    Interested in how and if for the good of all.
    But if I a’int. Thanks for all the fish.

    • There is a Chinese curse “May you live in interesting times”.

      • LindbergofSwed

        When he apply for the EcatX patent, is it possible to see what it is, or do we have to wait for a granted patent, and how long time does it usually take?

        • Omega Z

          His 1st granted patent took nearly 3 years. They have many more in process.

        • SG

          Most patent application publish after 18 months of filing. There are a couple of exceptions: if filing only in the U.S., a request can be made for non-publication, which means it will only publish when granted. The second exception is if the federal government imposes a secrecy order on the patent application–then you will not know about it or ever see it published, sometimes for many decades or more.

        • MasterBlaster7

          You can lose your right to have something patented, in the US patent system, by telling the public about the invention, without a non-disclosure agreement, before the patent is granted.

          I just got a US utility patent myself…so…after the patent application is mailed off to the patent office…about 2 years’ish.

          • MasterBlaster7

            “It’s interesting to me that he is again emphasizing the primacy of
            Leonardo Corporation in this whole enterprise with the E-Cat X, rather
            than Industrial Heat.”

            One wonders if Rossi could at all? If he sold the rights to the e-cat, and he came up with the e-cat x while working on the e-cat…[e-cat x] might be property of IH. There may be provisions in whatever contract Rossi signed with Darden and IH. But, even if Rossi pulled back to Leonardo Corporation with the e-cat x…I think the best, and easiest, move would be to go through IH for production and distribution.

            I say…lets not think about it and focus on the (hopefully positive) results of the warm cat test in 2 months. One potential headache at a time. Speculating about corporate, legal, and also future patent matters is about as bad a speculating on LENR theory.

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            Frank: I think you are right something is not right with IH relationship

          • ecatworld

            Well, I’m not sure if something is actually wrong — I’m guessing that the IH/Leonardo relationship is still intact (Fulvio Fabiani indicated so), just that Rossi is making a clear distinction between IH and Leonardo, and emphasizing that Leonardo has the patent and owns the IP.

          • TomR

            If IH has shared Rossi’s IP with his competitors, I don’t blame him for making the best of a bad situation. I worried about this when IH announced they were investing in some of Andrea Rossi’s competitors. I hope Andrea has good lawyers.

          • Brent Buckner

            That’s a pretty big “if”.

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            “I think the best, and easiest, move would be to go through IH for production and distribution.” I agree, it is not a good sign when Rossi says “I am preparing a commercial revolution”.

      • MasterBlaster7

        I don’t think dolphins recognize Chinese curses.

    • Zephir

      I wouldn’t hurry so much. Rossi announced his E-Cat in 2011 – and now in 2016 still no change emerged at the market. It seems, five years is nothing from this perspective.

  • Bob Greenyer

    As interesting and exciting as this all sounds – personally, I am more interested in timely publication of an independent verification of the 1MW plant – if that is real, then all things will follow as the technology is explored.

    • damn_right _man

      Yes, You are absolutely right. As long Rossi will be the only one, knowing, which secret ingredients the fuel is made of ( as it seems, one ingredient is only known by him ), as long as he is the only one shutting the doors to ecat-x, so that only he knows, what is happening and as long he says, that he is the only one having seen electricity being produced by the ecat-x, this all is basically a ridiculous hoax. Nevertheless, so much effort was already put into the hoax, that it will be a mind-blowing disclosure, if all this is a big lie. By the way, did anybody set up a request for the orbo ? Does anybody know anybody, who did that, or perhaps again, knows anybody who knows anybody, who was able to post a request to buy this ?

      • ecatworld

        Yes, I have placed an order for an Ocube. The invoice says shipping expected late January.

        • damn_right _man

          And how Did You achieve this ? The orbo side says “Sold out”. Unfortunately I could not check, whether this was the message, since the page started at all.

          • ecatworld

            Before the page went up you could place orders by dealing with Steorn via email — [email protected]

          • damn_right _man

            What Do You really expect ?

          • ecatworld

            If it works as claimed, I think it will be a major breakthrough, but we’ll have to see how the testing goes.

          • damn_right _man

            So I expect You to keep us online in here about Your tests ? Would be nice, although the page is ecat-related…

          • ecatworld

            Yes for sure, I will be filming and documenting it and posting here.

          • artefact

            On JONP:

            a. Are all four 250kW reactors currently being used?
            b. Are any reactors producing less than 250kW of thermal power?
            -can’t answer
            c. As a particular reactor approaches fuel exhaustion, do you see increased control issues?
            d. Likewise, do you observe a decreased effective COP for that reactor?
            e. Likewise, do you see decreases in the time of SSM for that reactor?
            f. Can the other reactors have their output increased beyond 250kW to compensation for the reactors experiencing approach of fuel exhaustion?
            -can’t answer

          • artefact

            Two month to go. I hope that the decreases in COP will not affect the average COP over the year to much. If it does it is just because there was not enough fuel for the year but the COP will not reflect the best that would be possible.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            If it should turn out that fuel composition is the only reason for the decrease, I would rather see an advantage than a problem, provided that at least one reactor will get through the full period without major losses. Rossi could then use the corresponding fuel mixture in future installations. Even if none of the reactors should ‘survive’ the 350 days, it would still remain an option to exchange the fuel every 6 months, as originally intended.

          • Brokeeper

            Yes, I would think there should be at least a three month buffer in the fuel warranty.

          • MasterBlaster7

            If there is a decrease in COP, at the end, that effects the average COP over the year…I am sure it will be spelled out for us. Remember this is gen. 1. For the time being, it would just mean swapping e-cat modules every 6 or so months instead of a year; no biggie.

          • artefact

            I just want to see a big of a COP as possible at the end but I guess that is just nitpicking. Others not familiar with the e-cat will also look with wide open eyes if the COP is for example 6.

      • Omega Z

        Tom Darden has the fuel formula & can produce it himself.
        That said, Refinements will always be beyond what Darden would have as this refinement is a continuous process at the present and may be for years to come.

        All other details of the reactors are well known by Dardens people as Rossi creates the design, others do the actual building of them.

    • Brent Buckner

      Timely commercialization of the 1MW plant would work too!

      • Bob Greenyer


  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Andrea Rossi December 30th, 2015 at 8:06 AM
    Time: 08.05 a.m. of Wed Dec 30st :
    E-Cat 1 MW: another reactor shows a decrease of efficiency, but still has enough COP. The charges are starting to give evidence of consumption. Very interesting to study the phenomenon from now on.
    E-Cat X: works, makes heat and electricity, is very promising.
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

  • Private Citizen

    Does it produce enough electricity to charge a battery and self-loop? Let’s see it!

    • Gerard McEk

      AR said to that: ‘Maybe’

      • MasterBlaster7

        Just remember. The self-looping, infinite COP thing is just an engineering problem. If the e-cat takes off, like we expect it to, expect some sort of self looping device, a couple of years later; or sooner.

        • Albert D. Kallal

          Unfortunate, but often questions asked to Rossi are not closed ended questions!

          Given how Rossi thinks, then it takes CAREFUL questions and ones that are closed ended.

          In some ways we often squander Rossi’s time. It is RARE that the public can be a witness to such a great man. You think you could just pick up the phone and talk to Tesla?

          The VERY REASON WHY this is so rare is because in general those asking questions don’t know how to ask questions! The result
          is then people like Rossi simply “play” with the answer to amuse themselves, or MORE often just tune out and start to ignore questions (give up) since it wastes such valuable time.

          Do we want Rossi to spend 15 hours a day answering questions? Hey, let’s have him answer questions for the next 10 years – and he can put all his wonderful technologies on hold for the next 10 years!

          Great, so we all complain that Rossi is making too slow of progress, but then we WANT to spend all day asking him questions! I hope people here can grasp the hypocrisy of this position!

          With a good number of questions asked on electricity production we STILL DO NOT know if electrical output is in excess of input requirements of the device! So we missed a HUGE opportunity here to ask a rather simple question!

          So unfortunately we don’t know if the electricity
          from the system can self-power and ALSO produce excess amounts of useful heat for commercial use at the same time. Hopefully, the answer to this question is forthcoming (but the right question will be required here).

          Albert D. Kallal
          Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • Owen Geiger

            “we STILL DO NOT know if electrical output is in excess of input requirements of the device”

            He said the reactor had a very high COP.

  • clovis ray

    Hi, Guys.

    Very interesting to study the phenomenon from now on. yes i would love to be a fly on the wall, in the E-CAT-X lab. Dr. Rossi, what a revelation, and that it came to you on Christmas night, could this be another god sent, it is quite obvious , i would say, anyway, thank you father, and your most capable servant ,Andrea Rossi,the vessel,

    • Brokeeper

      that describe “coincidence” and “unexpected” are often sign-posts providing
      verification for weary travelers.
      Clovis Ray, I like your headdress. 😉

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        I like the way Rossi gets excited about his E-Cats and
        starts to jump ahead in leaps and bounds, but it gets him into trouble with the
        super skeptics, when things do not turn out exactly like Rossi’s leaps and
        bounds Super skeptics look backward and interpret them as untruths.

  • radvar

    Might anyone post here a possible model or models of how the E-Cat X might work? I appreciate that such might be found among the 356 (and counting posts) on the previous article of this subject, but there’s only so much time in a day..

    I’m thinking, ok, plasmons, lots of free or soupy electrons getting torn out of shells when the nuclei do their thing, sure, but what is actually going to generate a gradient by which to obtain amperage and voltage?

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    (Giuseppe / Rossi)
    Is heat necessary to produce electricity or it is a secondary effect?

    Neither one.

    (domenico canino / Rossi)
    I think the real value of Leonardo Corporation is your brain. Someone can copy or buy something from your company, but what will they do, when you will invent the next thing? It is the same story of Apple, everybody copied the Mac and Steve Jobs made the I-pod, everybody copied it and Steve made the I-Phone, and all the other companies to copy, and then He made the I-Pad. I am waiting for Your next big thing.

    Thank you for your trust.
    As a matter of fact, the perspective of the E-Cat X is huge. We’ll return soon on this issue.
    God bless us all…

    • artefact

      🙂 I will have to get up early.

      • Teemu Soilamo

        Maybe you dreamt it up? 😛

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Delta rays.

      I just remembered the name of what I was thinking about a few days ago.

      Could the electrons formed just be delta rays? “A delta ray is characterized by very fast electrons produced in quantity by alpha particles or other fast energetic charged particles knocking orbiting electrons out of atoms.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_ray

      From the alphas, He(4) from the following reaction.

      Li (7) + H(1) > 2He(4).

  • Alan DeAngelis
    • Andreas Moraitis

      I guess you would need a lot of alphas to get a strong and long-lasting effect. Anyway, it would be interesting to explore this possibility in consideration of the number of hydrogen and Li-7 atoms in the fuel.

  • artefact

    Rossi edited his post twice but the edit does not change the post on rossilivecat.

  • Brokeeper

    Yes, before the weariness sets in.

  • giovanniontheweb

    integration with the well developed fuel-cell cell technology for direct electric production wouldn’t surprise nobody at this stage.