Rossi Sees E-Cat X Making Impact in Automotive Field

It looks like the E-Cat X is opening up possibilities that were not conceivable to Andrea Rossi with the old-style hot cat. He’s talked quite a bit about the work he is doing studying the use of the E-Cat X with jet engines, and now it sounds like there is serious consideration being made for using it in automobiles.

Here’s a question and answer from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today:

Dear Mr Rossi,

Do you have any commercial plans for the e-cat X in the automotive industry ? What would be the time frame ? Would you seek exclusive agreements with a partner, or seek to have several licensees ?

Thanks in advance,

Andrea Rossi
January 20th, 2016 at 8:25 AM
Pierre Carbonelle:
Yes, the E-Cat X can say an important word in the automotive field, but we are still in the R&D phase and it is soon to talk of licenses.
Warm Regards,

What I find interesting here is that for years Rossi said that it would be highly unlikely that the old E-Cat technology could be employed in automobiles within the next couple of decades, but now his tune has definitely changed.

If the E-Cat X is able to produce electricity directly, this could open up the use of it in electric vehicles — perhaps an onboard generator could be used to drive an electric motor, rather than having to pack bulky and heavy batteries that give EVs limited range. It’s hard to know at this point what direction they are thinking of, but the E-Catt X is certainly opening lots of doors that it sounds like Rossi and Co. are actively looking into.

Of course there would need to be lots of R&D involved, but this is what automotive companies do all the time in looking for new technological advances. If one or more big automakers partnered with Leonardo Corp., they would have lots of expertise on hand to work on adapting vehicles to the E-Cat X.

  • nietsnie

    There are a number of troubling aspects about e-cat powering a car compared to a gasoline engine. In as much as it operates in the range of a thousand degrees and requires hours to get to operational temperature – do you just keep the furnace going all the time while parked so it will be ready to drive when you are? Would hundreds of e-cat cars in a parking garage accidentally burn it down just from the accumulation of excess idling heat? What are the dynamics of two nuclear reactors in a car wreck? What is the effect on the environment of hundreds of millions of driver-less, idling, automobiles which must dissipate their excess heat 22 out of 24 hours per day? To me, e-cat seems more promising directly powering freight trains and airplanes than automobiles. That said, e-cat could still revolutionize personal transportation by just providing the grid electricity to power more conventional electric engines.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Paul December 27th, 2015 at 2:08 AM
      Andrea, Can the power of the E-Cat X be throttled up and down? If so, what kind of delayed response does it have?
      V/R, Paul
      Andrea Rossi December 27th, 2015 at 7:54 AM
      Paul: Yes, it cam be throttled up and down and the response is fast. Warm Regards, A.R.

      • nietsnie

        Yes, but is it throttled from nothing to something or from 80% to 100%?

        • Pekka Janhunen

          I have no idea. Maybe you ask Rossi?

          • Omega Z

            Until Rossi elaborates, we are in the dark.

            It responds fast could merely mean it starts reacting as soon as you change the settings, but could take some time to get where it’s going.

            He could also be taking about the electricity output can increase or decrease fast, but the temperature doesn’t change. Just a constant 1400`C.

          • And that’s the thing. Rossi will never give us the complete answer we seek. I think he only pretends to have a language comprehension difficulty. If I were in his position, maybe I would do the same thing. But – in the meantime it does give the forum endless opportunities to extrapolate on all the possible permutations.

    • gdaigle

      If an e-cat powered vehicle produces heat and electricity while idle, then consider it a distributed energy resource, not a hazard. Hundreds of e-cat cars in a parking garage and each plugged into a central power core would be a valuable electrical generating station during peak usage hours for downtown areas likely to have parking garages. In such a case you would not pay for parking your vehicle, the garage would pay you to plug in and make your excess electrical power available to the local grid.

      • nietsnie

        I think this is at least somewhat realistic. There is an economic incentive both for the owner of the car and also for the owner of the garage. Maybe it eliminates the need for non-mobile power sources altogether as cars spend most of their time parked. In a distributed architecture, maybe these mobile dynamos power everything. Doing some quick math, a five story office building with 80 employees per floor who each park their car (powered by a 20 Kw e-cat power plant) in it’s parking area – provides 400 cars * 20 kW * 8 hours = 64 mWh of generated power over the course of the average work day. Perhaps in the future the public utility of choice will instead be giant batteries which suck up excess power at a given instant and provide power during moments of unsatisfied demand.

        • atanguy

          If this work,you won’t really need to have a car, when you need to have transportation you call or go online and a car will come to pick you up, without a driver, and bring you to wherever you want. When idle the reactor will provide energy to micro grid…

          • Jag Kaurah


            but it may later change to some sort of flying automated car, quadcopter or something similar. With energy so low cost the barrier to automated flying rental transportation disappears.

          • Omega Z

            They already have helicopters. Even autonomous. Yet we still drive.

            The intent of flying cars(If you can afford one) is to drive to an airport, fly to another airport in a different city, then drive. You wont be flying to your local shopping mart. You will drive.

      • nietsnie

        Here’s a little more silly speculative math to support your good idea. California had 13,223,822 registered autos in 2013 according to In 2014 the state consumed a total of 293,268 gWh of electricity for the year, soup to nuts, according to If each auto were powered by a 20 kW e-cat and, on average, was plugged into the grid 22 hours per day, that would generate about 2,123,746 gWh of electricity in a year – over 7 times as much generated electricity as is currently consumed. Obviously, there are more cars in CA per person than there are in, say, New York City. But, with a multiplier of 7 maybe the car ‘haves’ can make up for the car ‘have-nots’ and CA could become a big net energy exporter. The folks in New York City could buy their juice cheaper and the folks in California could drive and power their homes for the price of owning and maintaining their car. Surprisingly, considering that there are 24.4 million registered drivers in CA, the ratio of automobiles to licensed drivers, and by extension power producers to power users, may well be higher in even less densely populated places, like Kansas.

        • US_Citizen71

          You have to take into consideration Jay Leno throws the number of autos owned per driver in California off by himself. : )

          • nietsnie


            To tell the truth, having traveled there, I’m a little surprised to learn that there are so many licensed drivers who don’t own a car in CA – nearly 46%! One certainly doesn’t get that impression on I-80 at rush hour. More like each licensed driver is driving at least two… Maybe the missing commuters are those bikers driving between the lanes in stopped traffic.

          • Omega Z

            “More like each licensed driver is driving at least two.”

            So you weren’t there during rush hour, huh. šŸ™‚

    • Gerard McEk

      If you have such a small mass (300-400 grams) and such a high power (20 kW), it will not take so long to heat it to the required temperature. A big battery (or capacitor) may do the job. If that can heat-up with a power of 20 kW, it takes less that half a minute to reach the full power of the 20 kW Ecat.

      • nietsnie

        Someone with more intimate knowledge will have to correct me if I gotten the wrong impression, but all the experiments that I have virtually ‘witnessed’ have slowly ramped up the temperature. It’s not because they couldn’t have zapped it with heat, but rather that the reaction requires a slow ramp to be successful.

        • Pekka Janhunen

          Agreed. But perhaps E-cat X differs also in this respect from the old cats. Well, the only thing we know about E-cat X is what Rossi says, and he says that it’s fast.

        • US_Citizen71

          Many of the experiments have started with a brand new reactor. The alumina casting of several of the reactors required slow heating to fully cure so that the alumina didn’t crack. Also the initial decomposition of the LAlH4 as well as the attempts to load the nickel require slow heating. But once the reactors are fully cured and loaded a fast heating should be possible as long as the thermal shock doesn’t exceed the limits of any of the materials.

          • georgehants

            Roger, my comment does not lower my belief in Mr. Rossi, only saying time for things to happen without a million patents etc.

        • Owen Geiger

          The E-CatX uses new solid state wafer technology.

        • Gerard McEk

          I wouldn’t be surprised that Andrea has solved that problem, but as far as I know the issue only concerns the initial start-up of the Ecat.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Should be easy because cars typically idle most of the time. If the E-cat lasts 6 months, it means effectively about 400,000 km per one fuelling. Likely the factory fuelling lasts for the whole lifetime of the vehicle.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Yes, if the E-cat X performance is what has been said, a normal car becomes almost a trivial application and the power density is good enough for flying. I’m worried about vertical landing and takeoff noise issue, however.

      • Observer

        It generates heat. Use a retractable hot air balloon for vertical take off and landing. ;o)

        • Perhaps lithium-oxygen batteries will be commercially available in time to work alongside e-cat X:

        • Pekka Janhunen

          Yes, I have also thought about this and the idea is potentially feasible. One point is that the balloon has to be large enough to lift essentially all the weight, for if it lifts only eg. 50%, one still gets 50% of the noise (only 3 dB less). Vulnerability to wind is one issue with the balloon idea, unless the machine can optionally also lift by engine power alone (which could be a good idea for safety anyway). The balloon would then be used only in calm weather, in high wind and in any kind of emergency one would use powered ascent/descent.

          • Brokeeper

            Iā€™m trying to visualize all the cars taking off with hot air baloons from a stadium parking lot after a game. šŸ™‚

          • nietsnie


        • Had to look that one up: Chinese built passenger carrying drone:-


          Comes with one pair of brown trousers c/w cycle clips.

          • Brokeeper

            Let the heads roll.

  • LilyLover

    “This kind of money gets stuff done.”
    This kind of stuff gets money redefined.
    “…90% redundancy…”
    “Whatever you think of BLP their commercial strategy is correctly focused on transport and vehicle to grid.”
    Whatever you think of their BLP’s commercial strategy, their theory is at least somewhat consistent. Unlike dubiousinko’s, or Notmuch Cooked’s, or Knottinghammered’s.
    Although I was the early proponent of it, with E-Cat X, I think the need to have the car-parked at home to supply energy is vanished.
    We can simply have two unrelated systems. Park the car at the other end of the yard to have some exercise. Have each gadget at home built in with E-Cat X. No more wiring. Have space heaters embedded behind photo-frames, on in the wall.
    Just like people would rather use use-n-throw AA cells and packaged drinking water bottles, similarly no-one will opt to connect with wires and use switches or plugs, if every energy consumption gadget is self sufficient.

    • LilyLover

      Medical Eventuality
      1. Patient walks into a hospital.
      2. Is seen within 3 minutes by a doctor.
      3. Medication, mass manufactured in China, is delivered by a free-market drone from pizza-hut-etc.
      4. Patient history is stored in a 40 pages patient notebook, with patient or online if the patient so chooses.
      5. All medical care is free.
      6. “Program administration”, insurance parasites, and medico-legal leeches can go pick the strawberries.
      7. Nothing can stand between a patient and a doctor, not even money, definitely not the time and definitely not the quality and the level of care.

      This is last ditch effort of big-pharma to stay relevant before Universal healthcare becomes the norm and the parasites of the field are sent to hard labour or real research or drug-trial-piginuess.

      • Omega Z

        You know that at least 6 Medical insurers went bankrupt & closed in 2015 and 6 more have given notice. Probably in the near future, the U.S. Government will need to implement a Payroll 18% to 20% MIT(Medical Income Tax) to cover medical costs.

        “Is seen within 3 minutes by a doctor.”

        The U.S. lowered grade requirements & reduced medical school from 4 years to 3 years. Yet the Doctor patient ratio will continue to decline.

        Expect to meet with a Nurse within an hour or more. Doctor time will be reserved only for the worst cases.

        Millions of Americans don’t even have a Doctor except by hours of waiting in the emergency room with zero followup. The Doctor shortage is a World Wide phenomenon expected to get worse. Much worse.

        LENR will not fix all our problems.

        • LilyLover

          Once 90% unemployment is achieved through robotics, and all medical knowledge is made available for free online by my few good doctors, then number of cooks (think restaurants) will be swapped with number of doctors.
          Then what I say will happen.
          “The U.S. lowered grade requirements & reduced medical school from 4
          years to 3 years. Yet the Doctor patient ratio will continue to decline.”
          Even before grade requirements were reduced, American Doctors, for the most part, were as smart as the people in walmart tire replacement department following line by line instructions.
          If the present day American Doctors are made to follow/daily-shadow an European doctor for two years, their understanding and comprehension will skyrocket.
          As it stands today, beautiful children, to whom no one can say no for recommendations, raised by relatively rich parents from good schools with good SAT coaching, are made into doctors.
          We have to stop this soft-obsession-with-beauty or pity as a ticket to doctordom and do away the recommendation letter system to make really qualified people have the proper opportunity.
          Although I pay high premiums and not use a doctor, but when I must, I first go to the South-of-the border doctor, find his opinion and get the prescription, then if that matches with the Kaiser-doctor, then I take it. Else, if that doesn’t match, I trust the South-of-border prescription a lot more.
          Why? You have to understand and know – what goes on in Medical school – USA: Only fun, marginal learning, doctors used as cheap slaves during residency, hence almost no knowledge. Mexico: No fun, hard work, must learn, must pass exams.
          Europe: Fun + Exams + Ambition of competence (Beauty does not justify doctordom)

          • Omega Z

            Do I denote both anger and envy,
            The shortage of Doctors effects Europe as well as all the world.
            Perhaps the problem is people don’t want to be doctors anymore. It appears many don’t want to do anything but be entertained.

            Seems many can’t wait for robots to do everything. Perhaps it’s time to build the brain to computer interface & build the Matrix virtual reality system. All reality is nothing but electrical impulses and chemical reactions that take place in the brain anyway. Everyone can have their own perfect world.

          • georgehants

            It is called capitalism that destroys peoples lives and our society.
            80,000 UK students are told they can’t train as a
            nurse: Thousands can’t get on courses despite four in five new NHS workers being foreign

          • GreenWin

            A great demo of LENR near term would be for E-Cat powered Tesla Superchargers. Convincing EV owners that “fuel costs” are a thing of the old world.

      • Richard Krikava

        As a member of the health care community, I would like to comment. You forget one important thing. Patients are their own worst enemies (much of the time). Until the majority of patients are able to follow the advice of their providers, they will require a much higher level of attention and care. The idea of a patient basically accessing healthcare for a quick assessment and going on there merry way without much expertise on the healthcare side is not a realistic view. I daily interact with patients who are barely literate. Health care is ALL about level of care and quality of providers because individuals lack the ability to make educated independent decisions that lead to positive outcomes.

        • LilyLover

          “Patients are their own worst enemies…”
          Only because the healthcare system is so outdated and immoral and legal-centric that it requires them to tolerate the pain of flu rather than tolerating the pain of 3 hours of paperwork and waiting.
          If healthcare was “seen and served within 3 minutes”, “Patients are their own worst enemies” argument will evaporate.
          Then, people will come to the doctors as and when needed, as opposed to at an “inevitable” stage of illness.
          Just as if there were “mandatory ‘free-uber-for-drunks + no-car-towed-needlessly”, then there would have been a few people alive instead of getting crushed under that woman’s car.
          We have to think totality and save overall and prosper rather than think isolated and litigate and regress.
          “The idea of a patient basically accessing healthcare for a quick
          assessment and going on there merry way without much expertise on the
          healthcare side…”
          I guess, it’ll take LENR to get 2-hour flight to Beijing and see a doctor within 5 minutes, without any paperwork or verbal case assessment during flight, to crumble US Healthcare industry, send the beautiful healthcare workers on the stripping poles or back to classrooms for them to adapt.
          “Health care is ALL about level of care and quality of providers…”
          I completely agree. And I blame the “best of the doctors” at UCLA for being lazy-bums, although faster and accurate than most other doctors, and being glacially slow. I loath the American doctors for 10% efficiency AND lack of accuracy of diagnosis, prescription or treatment. They simply are lazy bums. So so slow. To act. To think. To serve. If they had to work with equal efficiency or acccuracy as an amazon worker, most of them will prove that they are practically 12th graders with web-md on iPhone.

          That level of care is not at all exhibited by doctors and that quality is a misnomer presumably included in the slowness of interaction with patient are my primary complaints.

          I.e. lazy bum doctors produced here cannot withstand free-market even at 1/5th the price.

          You may disagree forever, but I am right.

        • LilyLover

          Please put your comment back in, not because I want it there, but because internet is full of trash comments and yours was amongst top 1% good comments, even if I disagreed, people deserve to know that seeing doctors at earlier stage would help them and the doctor as well. And also, since you had already take the efforts to type it.

          • ecatworld

            Actually not all my own funds — some generous supporters have contributed to the purchase of the Ocube, for which I am very grateful.

      • bachcole
      • Sandy

        An automobile powered by compressed air could have its range extended by several hundred percent if it had a E-Cat X that preheated the compressed air before that air was injected into the automobile’s engine. And electricity produced by the E-Cat X might be used to power an air compressor that kept the compressed air tanks full.

        • LilyLover

          Compressed air could be a very good acceleration booster and braking enhancer. They don’t need to exist for energy storage of more than a mile. I.e. use them like they have nitro-boosters in video-games. Action-reaction. Race or brake!

        • Stephen

          Great idea. A more distant dream maybe: If the car is light enough and the compression sufficient it Would make a great hovercraft or at high speed maybe a ground effect vehicle, traveling along highways that inductively charge the car maybe or maybe personal transport that can join a hyper loop.

        • US_Citizen71

          Why change the form of energy? Changing to compressed air from electricity would include a loss. Electricity is capable of producing motion via a motor and can be easily stored via a battery or capacitor. Then there is the added weight and volume needed for an air and electric system.

      • HS61AF91

        love it, and it will happen.

  • mcloki

    A small E-Cat as a heater for an electric car could be created.

  • Omega Z

    The pilot plant test isn’t about proving the “Rossi Effect” is real.
    It’s about proving it can be gainfully harnessed to be of use.

    Seriously, they wouldn’t go to all the expense, time and work of building a 1MW pilot plant if they were convinced the “Rossi Effect” itself was real.

  • The fact is that any society and its technology have great inertia that arises from a mixture of individual conservatism and resistance to change, opposition by groups who see themselves losing out from such changes, and the sheer disruption and cost of abandoning entrenched systems in favour of new ones. Near term deployment of e-cat X – if it is not ring fenced by vested interests as I believe will be the case – will be gradual, and most probably along the lines that those you rather abusively refer to as ‘fan boys’ have been predicting.

    It’s only after uses that are compatible with existing products and technology have been explored that fundamental changes will begin to creep into ‘the system’, leading to the same kind of disruptive change that resulted from the introduction of steam power, electricity and digital devices. By that point, not only will the fundamentals of the technology be in the public domain, but the new physics of LENR will lead to completely unforseeable developments that will compound the rate of change, leading to second order technological possibilities of the kind you propose.

    However even this assumes a more or less free run for anyone developing cold fusion technology, which I fear is very unlikely to take place. All governments legislate in their own interests, all corporations use any tactics available to gain or retain market profits, secretive supranational organisations seek to ‘steer’ the world according to their own agendas, and all militaries seek to acquire and control new technologies that will give them an advantage. Between them, such forces will ensure that any fundamantal changes will be introduced, if at all, on their terms, which are unlikely to be in the best interests of the rest of the planet’s inhabitants.

    • LarryJ

      I think what you say may be true for existing technologies that are changing incrementally like a better mouse trap, however the ecat series is a paradigm shift and the normal rules will not prevail. Any inertia will be easily and quickly overcome due to the massive benefits that this technology will bestow. It’s underlying simplicity will make it unstoppable.

      I also think that Rossi, who is an aging philosopher on a mission from his god and Darden who has a history of environmental responsibility will both want to see real change in their lifetimes and since neither are young they will want to see it quickly. There could be no better custodians of this technology. The adoption and speed of change will be so fast it will be hard to assimilate. Hold on to your hat.

  • LarryJ

    IMO he is on a mission from his god and wants to maintain control to be sure it happens. It has been a rough road. He is not young and given his dedication it seems unlikely that money is his goal. He could have given himself a very comfortable retirement some time ago if money was all he wanted. Read Mats Lewan’s “An Impossible Invention” for an in depth look at his history.

  • GreenWin

    Light bulbs without sockets? Discarding an efficient maintenance procedure known as “remove and replace?” Fan boys? A bitter quack indeed!

    “Let me embrace thee, sour adversity, for wise men say it is the wisest course.” Henry VI Part III

  • Julio Ruben Vazquez Turnes

    If E-Cat X turns to be a success. I can foresee a big revolution with this. As it can be used in much diverse ways than the original E-Cat.

    Once it reach markets we should see an exponential development of this for Space travel and Transport

  • Omega Z

    It is not just Rossi, There are large investors behind this.

    Rossi will lead the R&D. Others will handle the business end.

  • Omega Z


    If everyone had my body chemistry & metabolism, most of the pharmaceutical companies would be broke and nonexistent. Nearly all their drugs have little or no effect on me. Even the very few that do are only for minutes. Between Vicodin, Morphine and a sugar pill, only the sugar pill has an effect. A few minutes of energy boost.

    By the way. This is not cool for someone who has suffered extreme chronic pain for over 40 years.