Brilliant Light Power (Formerly Blacklight Power) Coming out of the Shadows (Becktemba) UPDATE: Sterling Allan Attended and Reports

UPDATE: Sterling Allan of PESN has reported what he can of the meeting here on PESWiki:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2016:01:29#Brilliant_Light_Power_demo_.26_lecture_was_amazing

He says he was restricted about what he could report but did say this:

The BrLP website points out something that was demonstrated yesterday. They have achieved solid state operation using an electromagnetic pump to spray the molten silver between the electrodes for the 1000/second continuous pulsing for continuous power production.

The following post was submitted by Becktemba.

After 10 months of near silence and a name change the company formerly named Black Light Power now Brilliant Light Power is seemingly coming out of the shadows. Last night the company posted a public demonstration invitation slated for January 28th.

It appears that anyone in the public can request an invite via e-mail (http://brilliantlightpower.com/invitational-public-demonstration/).

Also, the website seems to have posted previously unseen plasma videos (http://brilliantlightpower.com/plasma-video/).

I’d encourage all e-catworld readers who can obtain an invite to attend and report on what they see.

Becktemba

  • tlp

    Also there are very detailed pictures and design drawings in
    http://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/TechnicalPresentation1.8.16.pdf
    Some additional information also in
    http://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Business_Summary_010816.pdf
    like patent applications, latest filed just 01082016.

  • tlp

    Also there are very detailed pictures and design drawings in
    http://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/TechnicalPresentation1.8.16.pdf
    Some additional information also in
    http://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Business_Summary_010816.pdf
    like patent applications, latest filed just 01082016.

  • Here’s hoping that they keep their promise this time…

  • Zephir

    The BLP did some public demonstrations already – they did show some sparks at the monitor screen for two seconds

    https://youtu.be/GxuoMzm2HNE?t=6385

    • tlp

      The world is full of hydrinos as dark matter. The vacuum pump removes hydrinos and oxygen from the reactor.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        I guess they would escape anyway since they are expected to be extremely small. That’s a potential problem from a methodological point of view (you could not collect them in a bottle) and might be a reason for safety concerns.

      • Zephir

        This just doesn’t give sense. The nuclear reactions inside the Sun core are well mapped: any alternative source of energy would cause a huge discrepancy in existing models. The scientists for example measured very exactly neutrino flux, which is corresponding well the solar heat flux (when the neutrino oscillations are taken into account).

        • Andreas Moraitis

          If I remember it correctly, Mills does not state that hydrinos are generated in stars. In order to produce them you need atoms (hydrogen and a ‘catalyst’), not just nuclei. Thus, in an extremely hot environment where electron shells are mostly removed hydrino generation would possibly not work.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Besides, although Mills’ hydrino reactions release more energy than chemical reactions, they are less effective than nuclear reactions (the ratio comes to about 1 : 10^3 : 10^6). So even if they could happen in stars one might not expect to see a significantly different energy balance.

          • Zephir

            But the surface of Sun and interior of large planets (Jupiter) exhibits just the conditions, which Mills claims to use for hydrino and energy production. The surface of Sun or Jupiter undoubtedly remains composed of atoms.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Yes, on the surface of the sun it might work. I read somewhere that the spectrum of the “SunCell” plasma equals that of the solar spectrum, so there may be a connection. However, the released amount of energy would likely be small, compared with the energy that results from nuclear fusion in the sun’s core (see also my post below).

  • Zephir

    The BLP did some public demonstration already – they did show some sparks at the monitor screen for five seconds https://youtu.be/GxuoMzm2HNE?t=6385

    Frankly, I did never understand that hydrino thing: OK, let suppose that hydrogen atoms can collapse and convert itself into hydrino and lotta energy gets released during it – but why the world/Sun is not full of hydrino, after then? And where/how the hydrino escapes from reactor?

    • tlp

      The world is full of hydrinos as dark matter. The vacuum pump removes hydrinos and oxygen from the reactor.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        I guess they would escape anyway since they are expected to be extremely small. That’s a potential problem from a methodological point of view (you could not collect them in a bottle) and might be a reason for safety concerns.

      • Zephir

        This just doesn’t give sense. The nuclear reactions inside the Sun core are well mapped: any alternative source of energy would cause a huge discrepancy in existing models. The scientists for example measured very exactly neutrino flux, which is corresponding well the solar heat flux (when the neutrino oscillations are taken into account).

        If the stars or Jupiter-like planets would be formed with hydrinos, they would be much more dense. We would definitely notice it.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          If I remember it correctly, Mills does not state that hydrinos are generated in stars. In order to produce them you need atoms (hydrogen and a ‘catalyst’), not just nuclei. Thus, in an extremely hot environment where electron shells are mostly removed hydrino generation would possibly not work.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Besides, although Mills’ hydrino reactions release more energy than chemical reactions, they are less effective than nuclear reactions (the ratio comes to about 1 : 10^3 : 10^6). So even if they could happen in stars one might not expect to see a significantly different energy balance.

          • Zephir

            But the surface of Sun and interior of large planets (Jupiter) exhibits just the conditions, which Mills claims to use for hydrino and energy production. The surface of Sun or Jupiter undoubtedly remains composed of atoms.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Yes, on the surface of the sun it might work. I read somewhere that the spectrum of the “SunCell” plasma equals that of the solar spectrum, so there may be a connection. However, the released amount of energy would likely be small, compared with the energy that results from nuclear fusion in the sun’s core (see also my post below).

  • Well, the new videos are more interesting than the previous efforts. What do you think? How could a photovoltaic cell hold up to that much hot plasma? I still don’t know how that device is going to work reliably without a flickering output current and melted photovoltaic cells. I hope it is real, but would not trust anything without a neutral 3rd party test. Are they making a new demo because they have a market ready product or because they want more money from investors?

    • artefact

      The demo was made with an open case. Maybe the plasma behaves differently when its closed and under vacuum.

      • It will expand far more quickly than in air (almost explosively, as there will be no containment by air molecules) and will therefore reach the walls of the container, and the PVs virtually instantly, transferring heat and evaporated solids from the electrodes. It seems very likely that a proportion of the residuals will quickly be condensed and deposited on the PVs, rapidly reducing the efficiency of conversion, which in any case will be low even under optimum conditions.

        In the graphics, the PVs only appear to occupy about 25% of the area on which light will fall, so even with an optimistic PV efficiency of 40%, a maximum of 10% of any energy output as light will appear as electricity. The rest will go to heating the containment, the PVs, and gases extracted by the vacuum pump.

        I for one will be very surprised if energy out even equals energy in – but we’ll find out soon, hopefully. BTW, I wonder what happened to the MHD generator that could be built using parts off the shelf?

        • artefact

          Mills found out, that 90 % of the released energy is in the form of light. Therefor solar works better than an MHD.

        • GreenWin

          Good question Agaricus. IF an MHD generator could be built with off the shelf parts — I’d probably be living off-planet!

          Bob, Mary and the Jay-TRIG gang will claim: “GreenWin is ALREADY off-planet!! The question then… which planet is GreenWin off — and why?

          I’m invoking the time honored LNQ — Late Night Quandra – with little chagrin.

        • artefact

          Mills posted today: “The inner chamber is closed.
          The top “window” is tungsten that serves as a blackbody radiator of
          3500K to the cPV. The radiated power is 10 M/m2 with an emissivity of
          one. The silver recirculates to the EM pump.
          It is recirculating in the videos on the Plasma Video page.”

          • Andreas Moraitis

            I assume „10M/m2“ means „10MW/m^2“. But for how long is that power maintained? If it would last for only 1 millisecond you had an output of 10 kJ or 2.78 Wh, which is not really impressive. So this number does not help much.

          • tlp

            It is continuous power. The prototype has 0.1 m2 area, so one MW optical power.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            That would be enormous. I wonder how long such a device could run without getting problems.

          • tlp

            Potentially several years, as there is hardly any moving parts.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Absence of moving parts is a good thing, but we should not forget that a fraction of the energy will be converted to heat. Besides, one might expect increased degradation effects in the PV cells.

          • Axil Axil

            Optical coating can convert the heat to visible light.

          • tlp

            This is very significant future optimization. and also this:
            (From business summary)
            BrLP has contracted with a leading university to produce the next generation PV technology that would convert the soft X-ray emission directly into electricity using similar diode structures and materials as those used in Blu-ray lasers such as gallium nitride based structures and materials.

          • tlp

            Heat balance is very similar to normal car or truck engine, 60-70% heat, 30-40% for moving the car. And winter time that heat is very useful also.
            PV cells environment is very similar to those CPV installations, cooling can keep the temperature constant, maybe around 50-80 C degrees. Or in fact better, normal CPV cools down every night and then heats up again.

          • optiongeek

            according to Mills it’s continuous.

          • So it appears that the PVs are physically separated from the arc chamber by a tungsten diaphragm, and this seems to eliminate the potential problem of occlusion of the PV optics by deposition. However it also means that direct light transfer from plasma to PVs is blocked, and the PVs are driven by secondary emission from the tungsten diaphragm, which heats to 3500K and therefore glows in the visible spectrum.

            One problem with this design is that 50% of radiation re-emitted from the tungsten sheet will go back into the inner containment. The overall dynamic of this process is beyond me, but I find it difficult to believe that a megawatt-equivalent of heat energy could be continuously conducted through 0.1 m2 of tungsten sheet in this way. Admittedly, using secondary radiation to drive PVs should theoretically be more efficient than any available thermal converter, but other losses as heat will more than offset this advantage.

            If the diaphragm occupies 25% of total irradiated area, transfer through the diaphragm is 50% efficient, and the cPVs are 40% efficient, then overall maximum theoretical efficiency of conversion on this basis is 0.25 x 0.5 x 0.4 x 100 = 5%. That leaves a lot of energy to be absorbed by the device and ultimately, dumped to atmosphere. Personally I’d go for a boiler and turbine generator (c. 30%).

            Oh well, wait and see what the demo brings, I suppose – I hope (but don’t expect) to be pleasantly surprised.

          • tlp

            Compare this to a car headlight, all the light goes to one direction.

          • Initially perhaps, but reflection would be considerably less than 100% even off highly polished stainless steel, and deposition on the ‘reflector’ surface would quickly degrade efficiency. But even assuming that 80% of light emitted at the electrodes reaches the tungsten diaphagm, that’s still only 16% or less overall efficiency of conversion.

          • tlp

            No, light can escape only in one direction, towards the PVs. Efficiency is around 30% without moving parts, much better than small turbines. And PV optimizations can increase efficiency.

          • “light can escape only in one direction, towards the PVs”

            That would require 100% reflection from the containment walls, but in fact the reflectance of stainless steel is only around 60% for visible light:

            http://www.uncg.edu/iar/elight/learn/determine/lc_sub/mat_prop.html.

            So in the same way that the tungsten sheet absorbs light energy and converts it to heat, the reflective wall will do exactly same thing to a lesser degree. In this case around 40% of the light energy will be absorbed each time a photon hits the reflector rather than the tungsten diaphragm. This proportion will increase as condensation deposits build up on the internal surfaces.

            It also seems reasonable to assume that some reflection back into the containment will occur at the surface of the tungsten diaphragm, which cannot be a perfect ‘black body’ surface, this being in addition to re-radiation of half of the absorbed energy back in this direction, only some of which will bounce around long enough to get back to the diaphragm.

            You cite 30% efficiency for conversion to electricity of black body radiation from the tungsten diaphragm, but that ignores the losses I’ve summarised above (reflection losses plus re-radiation from the inner surface of the diaphragm). Taken together, these are very unlikely to be less than about 60%, giving an overall conversion efficiency of perhaps 12% – considerably less than for conventional steam-based technologies.

          • tlp

            Reflective coatings have typically about 98% efficiency. And some possible silver contamination does no harm.

  • Fyodor

    We’ll see-they said in mid 2014 that they were only six months away from a prototype and still…nothing. Just the same videos of five seconds of random sparks. This is on top of repeated statements over the last ten years that they were just about to release a commercial prototype.

    Someone posted a link to a technical presentation below that looks like it has a picture of a system prototype (p. 30) though I don’t see any solar panels. I guess we’ll see if they can actually get it running for any sort of extended period of time and/or show self-sustain mode, etc.

  • Fyodor

    We’ll see-they said in mid 2014 that they were only six months away from a prototype and still…nothing. Just the same videos of five seconds of random sparks. This is on top of repeated statements over the last ten years that they were just about to release a commercial prototype.

    Someone posted a link to a technical presentation below that looks like it has a picture of a system prototype (p. 30) though I don’t see any solar panels. I guess we’ll see if they can actually get it running for any sort of extended period of time and/or show self-sustain mode, etc.

    • KenB

      Mills has been running this company since 1991. He is an expert at dog and pony shows for investors, not so good at anything else.

  • GreenWin

    Interesting timing. We wish Randell Mills et al lots of luck with this new venture. Next month should be eventful.

  • GreenWin

    Interesting timing. We wish Randell Mills et al lots of luck with this new venture. Next month should be eventful.

  • bfast

    From http://brilliantlightpower.com/electrical-power-from-water-fuel/ :”Brilliant Light has engineered a modular, scalable 250 kW electric generator that is a fraction of the weight and size of an internal combustion engine”

    Oh, 250 kW is equivalent to 335 hp. Lots to run a car!

    If this is true, we are crisin’! There’s got to be a tight relationship between what is going on in Mills’ lab and what is going on in Rossi’s lab. I cannot conceive of two truly separate kinds of near-free energy sources being discovered at the same time.

    • ecatworld

      They say they have ‘engineered’ this generator, but I wonder if they have built it.

      • Fyodor

        They use a lot of suggestive terms to describe things that they just have drawings and spec sheets of.

    • Axil Axil

      Rossi was bound to stumble onto the black light (XUV) flavor of the LENR reaction sooner or later. Mills has been at that type of reaction for years. I wonder who is going to get the patents for it in first. The game is afoot.

  • bfast

    From http://brilliantlightpower.com/electrical-power-from-water-fuel/ :”Brilliant Light has engineered a modular, scalable 250 kW electric generator that is a fraction of the weight and size of an internal combustion engine”

    Oh, 250 kW is equivalent to 335 hp. Lots to run a car!

    If this is true, we are crisin’! There’s got to be a tight relationship between what is going on in Mills’ lab and what is going on in Rossi’s lab. I cannot conceive of two truly separate kinds of near-free energy sources being discovered at the same time.

    • Frank Acland

      They say they have ‘engineered’ this generator, but I wonder if they have built it.

      • Fyodor

        They use a lot of suggestive terms to describe things that they just have drawings and spec sheets of.

    • Axil Axil

      Rossi was bound to stumble onto the black light (XUV) flavor of the LENR reaction sooner or later. Mills has been at that type of reaction for years. I wonder who is going to get the patents for it in first. The game is afoot.

    • bachcole

      But, Bruce, what if one is BS and one is real? That keeps my inner occam from flipping out. (:->)

    • Roland

      They utterly dismiss each other’s claims in every regard.

  • The capacitors shown on the “prototype” seem to be there to smooth out the energy output. Check out the powerpoint posted below. The PV utilizes the light created and since the light isn’t constant the capacitor will capture what is produced so it does not need to be a constant stream of light.

  • The capacitors shown on the “prototype” seem to be there just for energy ignition or also to help with the output?

  • BOb

    Anytime someone is going to demo something it should be a positive…
    .
    If they have the real goods, then the demo should be positive and open the door for more acceptance and advancement of the product.
    .
    If they are all hype, it will prove out negative (or possibly useless) and this is good also. People will know what the reality of the situation is.
    .
    I would much rather have this than secret customers and lots of posts. (My preference, not that secret customers with lots of posts is inherently bad).
    .
    Given BLP’s past history, I have my expectations very low….. I hope that I am greatly surprised.
    .
    As usual, I keep waiting…. at least for 17 more days…

  • BOb

    Anytime someone is going to demo something it should be a positive…
    .
    If they have the real goods, then the demo should be positive and open the door for more acceptance and advancement of the product.
    .
    If they are all hype, it will prove out negative (or possibly useless) and this is good also. People will know what the reality of the situation is.
    .
    I would much rather have this than secret customers and lots of posts. (My preference, not that secret customers with lots of posts is inherently bad).
    .
    Given BLP’s past history, I have my expectations very low….. I hope that I am greatly surprised.
    .
    As usual, I keep waiting…. at least for 17 more days…

  • Axil Axil

    Competition is good. Miles might help Rossi get off the schneid by giving Rossi some incentive to get product out into the marketplace. If Rossi had his druthers, he would tinker with this X Cat until the cows come home. The SunCell could evolve into a very fine product that converts LENR energy into electrical production in a solid state product.

    The SunCell may give that hydrino nonsense some standing in the LENR sweepstakes race that will follow the release of a successful product. This hydrino malarkey will slow LENR science down considerably.

    But one great advance that the SunCell will bring to LENR engineering, will be the activation of the LENR reaction directly from the proper application of electrons as opposed to heat as per Rossi.

    • Gerard McEk

      Although the plasma looks impressive, I am still waiting for a practical proof to show that it works and more power is procuced than input from the capacitor banks. I am not so much interested in evaporated metal, it’s just dirty stuff. Maybe it can be used for sputtering nickel and iron layers for Rossi’s wafers? 😉

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Plasma may look impressive, but it can be easily produced by everyone. Just put a grape into your microwave oven:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwTjsRt0Fzo

        As you correctly say, only the energy measurements will count.

    • Omega Z

      Axil Axil

      I would bet Rossi want’s to bring this to market as fast as anyone else. However, you need a dependable product before you bring it to market.

      Business doesn’t just look at what a device can save them. They look at what it will cost them as well. If they have a Million$ of product going out the door every day, that’s a Million$ a day they lose if it is broken down. If it’s not dependable, they will stay with their current device. The 1 they can count on to work…

      • Axil Axil

        Being dependable did not stop Microsoft from achieving hegemony of the software industry.

        • BLP’s demos have been a complete letdown.They are to me the boy who cried wolf only without the wolf actually showing up at the end.

          • Winebuff67

            A friend of mine is headed to the demo. Looking foreward to his opinions.
            He has seen a lot of suspect tech over the years working for many energy concerns.

          • I’ll try and keep an open mind Winebuff. Keep us posted.

          • Ditto.

          • Winebuff67

            Can’t wait for some first hand info. Let u know when I get a report.

        • Zephir

          I don’t want to play a devil’s advocate here, but Google or Apple is behaving in the same way – just at another markets. Also Rossi with his patent wars behaves in the same way at the cold fusion market.

        • Omega Z

          There is a difference between business software & physical product out of the customers door. With business software, a pen and paper may substitute.

          If I’m dealing with perishable product, this can be devastating as much of it is time sensitive. I lost a million$ in sales as well as a million$ in product. I also risk losing my customers who also may not be able to open their doors for business. Perhaps they will look to find a new supplier. Someone dependable even if it costs more.

          Business doesn’t think about just the savings. They consider the consequences as well should it not be dependable.
          —————————————————————————
          Industrial processor to Customer: I can’t supply your product on time because my E-cat heater is broken down. Maybe tomorrow.

          Customer to Industrial processor: Not My Problem. If you can’t be dependable, perhaps you shouldn’t be in business. Deliver on time or I will find someone that will….

          This is not conjecture, but a real life scenario I’ve seen play out. I have in fact isued such a statement. I can not stay in business without product nor will my customers accept this. They will go elsewhere if need be.

  • Axil Axil

    Competition is good. Miles might help Rossi get off the schneid by giving Rossi some incentive to get product out into the marketplace. If Rossi had his druthers, he would tinker with this X Cat until the cows come home. The SunCell could evolve into a very fine product that converts LENR energy into electrical production in a solid state product.

    The SunCell may give that hydrino nonsense some standing in the LENR sweepstakes race that will follow the release of a successful product. This hydrino malarkey will slow LENR science down considerably.

    But one great advance that the SunCell will bring to LENR engineering, will be the activation of the LENR reaction directly from the proper application of electrons as opposed to heat as per Rossi.

    • Omega Z

      Axil Axil

      I would bet Rossi want’s to bring this to market as fast as anyone else. However, you need a dependable product before you bring it to market.

      Business doesn’t just look at what a device can save them. They look at what it will cost them as well. If they have a Million$ of product going out the door every day, that’s a Million$ a day they lose if it is broken down. If it’s not dependable, they will stay with their current device. The 1 they can count on to work…

      • Axil Axil

        Being dependable did not stop Microsoft from achieving hegemony of the software industry.

        • Charlie tapp

          Just curious axil I have been following you for a really long time. Do you have a shop working on stuff yourself because it seems like you actually know how to make lenr work! Do you have any simple expierement that I can try, I have a crap load of experience with stuff that don’t work would be willing to try your suggestions. Do have a shop and everything needed for just about anything just need guidance, well my shop is my backyard but it is a shop to me and it is full of stuff I can take apart.

          • Axil Axil

            Great. Let’s Go. I would like to keep the conversation public.

            Part 1

            I like the defkalion design. THis design is also used by AIRBUS. DGT used the nickel foam as a holder for the 5 micron nickel particles so that they would not jump around when high voltage DC current was applied to the particles. As you will find, without the nickel foam, the particles would jump around when the 24 KV DC spark fires. I think that the DC spark passed through the nickel foam to charge the nickel particles with Rydberg Hydrogen Matter(RHM). DGT had a spark plug on either side of the reactor, one positive and one negative, that produced a spark down the axis of the reactor. I think that using high voltage and power DC spark is important to produce RHM as done in the Safire experiment has shown. The spark also produces a shock wave which generates a pressure pulse that produced RHM. Using lithium, to cover the nickel reduces the pressure that is required by 400%.

            Sintering nickel in air may produce whiskers If done in air.

            The sintering shold also be done to the ncikel foam after the nickel particles as placed inside the foam near the central channel where the spark passes through. The sintering will weld the particles to the nickel foam.

            See

            http://phys.org/news/2011-10-bristly-particles-boon-powerplants.html

            I believe that whiskers on micro particles are ideal to form Surface Plasmon Polaritons (SPP). The whiskers provide a one direction superconductive current flow that will inject power into the lithium and/or hydrogen nanoparticles that are produced by the spark on those whiskers.

            I remember, the DGT spark consumed just over 800 watts of power.

          • Axil Axil

            Part 2

            Background:

            IMHO, a special type of nanoparticle must be fabricated with a structure comprised of many serially connected graphite plate like planes. These particles survive in terms of time as a function of their length: long particles last longer than short ones do.

            Rossi’s reduced power output from some of his Tigers may be a result of this LENR particle deterioration half-life.

            These particles are mobile and can escape the reactor if not confined. These particles are highly magnetic and electrostatic. As Such, steel or even better iron is a good structural reactor material to keep these nano dust like particles inside the reactor.

            As in many past cold fusion experiments, using an open glass beaker is not good at keeping these special particles inside a reactor during electrolysis.

            Many combinations of elements can combine to form this specially shaped particle. Aluminum might be as good as lithium: at this early juncture, who can really say for sure. But hydrogen seems to be an important part of such a particle.

            This particle must carry a surface charge of surface plasmon polaritons(SPP) which activate it as a LENR producer. These particles are highly magnetic and electrically charged. A EMF stimulation process must be part of the nanoparticle activation process be it light, heat, or RF.

            For Rossi, the function of fuel preprocessing is to generate this special particle.

            DGT did everything in one step,

            More to come describing the fuel load.

            Axil

          • Axil Axil

            Part 3

            fuel mix.

            I contend that it is more efficient to produce a long high voltage spark inside the reactor tube that passes through the fuel package. The high voltage DC spark will produce a full range of EMF stimulation including heat and UV. WHen not sure do it all. As used in Holmlid’s reactor, iron oxide powder, also powdered graphite powder is used to supply a crystal layered template for the formation of Rydberg matter. This material is mixed with the other powdered material by mortar and pestle grinding. LiHCO3 50% KHCO3 50%: this eutectic salt mix will liquefy at about 500C after hydrogen release. Potassium from this salt will dope the iron oxide powder. Lithium Aluminum Hydride – this salt provide hydrogen, lithium and aluminum to the reaction.

            As used in Holmlid’s reactor, 1 gram 99.996% Iridium Ir Metal Powder – $23.64. Any metal powder in the platinum family can be used. The six platinum-group metals are ruthenium, rhodium, palladium, osmium, iridium, and platinum. Iridium is preferred because of the results produced in the Holmlid experiment.

            When combined with graphite powder, potassium, lithium, and UV light, this produces Rydberg Hydrogen Matter.

            After grinding, the fuel bundle should be held in a nickel foam as done by Defkalion. The spark passing down the axis of the pipe should pass through the center cavity of the fuel bundle(nickel foam). The fuel bundle should be centered in the center of the iron pipe.

            A nickel foil should cover the inside surface of the iron pipe to condense the ionized iridium, carbon , etc and keep the iron open to absorb oxygen.

            Two screw-on and hydrogen tight sealed iron pipe caps that hold spark plugs with iridium tips produce the high voltage spark.

            https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/nJLB33_v-spn_JH6lsIkQD_4iP97PSaSYUYNPMshgst83wgholxAebH_BlOV_MequjoTtU7G8Sd8pYfJNaIb_Xf-uQ0f-ysSZ5sqU4n2RY6G0i4isEFN6Y7Vt22_p8G4Ng-ccJq2qIbwr1N3MkpugAfcr8kl6xVe1C44Nv4fQ6Q=s0-d-e1-ft#https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS81AOzt5oHO9j92hrUYDcR1kFjsVfEIHYeALz1wzIcPWTeDKOydQ

          • Alain Samoun

            Axil:
            How do you get LiHCO3 50% KHCO3 in solid form?

          • Axil Axil

            Decomposition of the bicarbonate occurs between 100 °C and 120 °C:

            2 KHCO3 → K2CO3 + CO2 + H2O

            ===========
            Lithium hydrogen carbonate decomposes by heat; the reaction is represented by the balanced equation:

            2LiHCO3 (s) ——–> Li2CO3(s) + CO2(g) + H20 (g)

            An iron pipe will remove all oxygen from the reaction converting water to hydrogen and CO2 to carbon

          • Alain Samoun

            Thanks,but it is not exactly an answer to my question: LiHCO3 seems to exist only in solution,when you add KHCO3 to the solution of LiHCO3 do you evaporate the water and get the mixture of the two salts in solid form?

          • Axil Axil

            I believe that the iron will remove CO2 and H2O by absorbing oxygen from the mixture and only elemental iron oxide, K, Li, H, and C will remain at very high temperatures, but I am not sure…experimentation is required.

        • Zephir

          I don’t want to play a devil’s advocate here, but Google or Apple is behaving in the same way – just at another markets. Also Rossi with his patent wars behaves in the same way at the cold fusion market.

        • Omega Z

          There is a difference between business software & physical product out of the customers door. With business software, a pen and paper may substitute.

          If I’m dealing with perishable product, this can be devastating as much of it is time sensitive. I lost a million$ in sales as well as a million$ in product. I also risk losing my customers who also may not be able to open their doors for business. Perhaps they will look to find a new supplier. Someone dependable even if it costs more.

          Business doesn’t think about just the savings. They consider the consequences as well should it not be dependable.
          —————————————————————————
          Industrial processor to Customer: I can’t supply your product on time because my E-cat heater is broken down. Maybe tomorrow.

          Customer to Industrial processor: Not My Problem. If you can’t be dependable, perhaps you shouldn’t be in business. Deliver on time or I will find someone that will….

          This is not conjecture, but a real life scenario I’ve seen play out. I have in fact isued such a statement. I can not stay in business without product nor will my customers accept this. They will go elsewhere if need be.

    • Fedir Mykhaylov

      Your phrase activation electrons instead of heating the electric heater seems true. Perhaps the next generation of reactors will be working on this principle

  • Axil Axil

    There seems to be a connection between the character of the electric excitation that is applied to the LENR catalyst and the character of the LENR energy format that the reaction produces.

    As in the SunCell, high DC amps and low voltage produces light. As in the DGT system, the Brillouin system, and Mizuno, low DC amps and high voltage seems to produce heat.

    • Axil Axil

      Great. Let’s Go. I would like to keep the conversation public.

      Part 1

      I like the defkalion design. THis design is also used by AIRBUS. DGT used the nickel foam as a holder for the nickel particles so that they would not jump around when high voltage DC current was applied to the particles. As you will find, without the nickel foam, the particles would jump around when the 24 KV DC spark fires. I think that the DC spark passed through the nickel foam to charge the nickel particles with Rydberg Hydrogen Matter(RHM). DGT had a spark plug on either side of the reactor, one positive and one negative, that produced a spark down the axis of the reactor. I think that using high voltage and power DC spark is important to produce RHM as done in the Safire experiment has shown. The spark also produces a shock wave which generates a pressure pulse that produced RHM. Using lithium, to cover the nickel reduces the pressure that is required by 400%.

      Sintering nickel in air may produce whiskers If done in air.

      The sintering shold also be done to the ncikel foam after the nickel particles as placed inside the foam near the central channel where the spark passes through. The sintering will weld the particles to the nickel foam.

      See

      http://phys.org/news/2011-10-bristly-particles-boon-powerplants.html

      I believe that whiskers on micro particles are ideal to form Surface Plasmon Polaritons (SPP). The whiskers provide a one direction superconductive current flow that will inject power into the lithium and/or hydrogen nanoparticles that are produced by the spark on those whiskers.

      I remember, the DGT spark consumed just over 800 watts of power.

  • Axil Axil

    There seems to be a connection between the character of the electric excitation that is applied to the LENR catalyst and the character of the LENR energy format that the reaction produces.

    As in the SunCell, high DC amps and low voltage produces light. As in the DGT system, the Brillouin system, and Mizuno, low DC amps and high voltage seems to produce heat.

  • Gerard McEk

    Although the plasma looks impressive, I am still waiting for a practical proof to show that it works and more power is procuced than input from the capacitor banks. I am not so much interested in evaporated metal, it’s just dirty stuff. Maybe it can be used for sputtering nickel and iron layers for Rossi’s wafers? 😉

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Plasma may look impressive, but it can be easily produced by everyone. Just put a grape into your microwave oven:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwTjsRt0Fzo

      As you correctly say, only the energy measurements will count.

  • Nigel Appleton

    I’m not inclined to believe BLP until they express their results in joules. They’re supposed to be in the energy business. Energy is best expressed in joules. Watts and kilowatts mean nothing in this context without knowing the time for which the power was produced.
    Why don’t they say how many joules are used to induce each “detonation” , how many are produced, and how many can be usefully captured?

  • BLP’s demos have been a complete letdown.They are to me the boy who cried wolf only without the wolf actually showing up at the end.

    • Winebuff67

      A friend of mine is headed to the demo. Looking foreward to his opinions.
      He has seen a lot of suspect tech over the years working for many energy concerns.

      • I’ll try and keep an open mind Winebuff. Keep us posted.

        • Ditto.

          • Winebuff67

            Can’t wait for some first hand info. Let u know when I get a report.

  • bachcole

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    • C’mon Roger, it might be interesting.

      It might blow up.

      • bachcole

        I can only have an open mind if I am awake. (:->) Wake me if anything happens.

  • Axil Axil

    Part 2

    Background:

    IMHO, a special type of nanoparticle must be fabricated with a structure comprised of many serially connected graphite plate like planes. These particles survive in terms of time as a function of their length: long particles last longer than short ones do.

    Rossi’s reduced power output from some of his Tigers may be a result of this LENR particle deterioration half-life.

    These particles are mobile and can escape the reactor if not confined. These particles are highly magnetic and electrostatic. As Such, steel or even better iron is a good structural reactor material to keep these nano dust like particles inside the reactor.

    As in many past cold fusion experiments, using an open glass beaker is not good at keeping these special particles inside a reactor during electrolysis.

    Many combinations of elements can combine to form this specially shaped particle. Aluminum might be as good as lithium: at this early juncture, who can really say for sure. But hydrogen seems to be an important part of such a particle.

    This particle must carry a surface charge of surface plasmon polaritons(SPP) which activate it as a LENR producer. These particles are highly magnetic and electrically charged. A EMF stimulation process must be part of the nanoparticle activation process be it light, heat, or RF.

    For Rossi, the function of fuel preprocessing is to generate this special particle.

    DGT did everything in one step,

    More to come describing the fuel load.

    Axil

  • Axil Axil

    Part 3

    fuel mix.

    I contend that it is more efficient to produce a long high voltage spark inside the reactor tube that passes through the fuel package. The high voltage DC spark will produce a full range of EMF stimulation including heat and UV. WHen not sure do it all. As used in Holmlid’s reactor, iron oxide powder, also powdered graphite powder is used to supply a crystal layered template for the formation of Rydberg matter. This material is mixed with the other powdered material by mortar and pestle grinding. LiHCO3 50% KHCO3 50%: this eutectic salt mix will liquefy at about 500C after hydrogen release. Potassium from this salt will dope the iron oxide powder. Lithium Aluminum Hydride – this salt provide hydrogen, lithium and aluminum to the reaction.

    As used in Holmlid’s reactor, 1 gram 99.996% Iridium Ir Metal Powder – $23.64. Any metal powder in the platinum family can be used. The six platinum-group metals are ruthenium, rhodium, palladium, osmium, iridium, and platinum. Iridium is preferred because of the results produced in the Holmlid experiment.

    When combined with graphite powder, potassium, lithium, and UV light, this produces Rydberg Hydrogen Matter.

    After grinding, the fuel bundle should be held in a nickel foam as done by Defkalion. The spark passing down the axis of the pipe should pass through the center cavity of the fuel bundle(nickel foam). The fuel bundle should be centered in the center of the iron pipe.

    A nickel foil should cover the inside surface of the iron pipe to condense the ionized iridium, carbon , etc and keep the iron open to absorb oxygen.

    Two screw-on and hydrogen tight sealed iron pipe caps that hold spark plugs with iridium tips produce the high voltage spark.

    https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/nJLB33_v-spn_JH6lsIkQD_4iP97PSaSYUYNPMshgst83wgholxAebH_BlOV_MequjoTtU7G8Sd8pYfJNaIb_Xf-uQ0f-ysSZ5sqU4n2RY6G0i4isEFN6Y7Vt22_p8G4Ng-ccJq2qIbwr1N3MkpugAfcr8kl6xVe1C44Nv4fQ6Q=s0-d-e1-ft#https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS81AOzt5oHO9j92hrUYDcR1kFjsVfEIHYeALz1wzIcPWTeDKOydQ

    • Alain Samoun

      Axil:
      How do you get LiHCO3 50% KHCO3 in solid form?

      • Axil Axil

        Decomposition of the bicarbonate occurs between 100 °C and 120 °C:

        2 KHCO3 → K2CO3 + CO2 + H2O

        ===========
        Lithium hydrogen carbonate decomposes by heat; the reaction is represented by the balanced equation:

        2LiHCO3 (s) ——–> Li2CO3(s) + CO2(g) + H20 (g)

        • Alain Samoun

          Thanks,but it is not exactly an answer to my question: LiHCO3 seems to exist only in solution,when you add KHCO3 to the solution of LiHCO3 do you evaporate the water and get the mixture of the two salts in solid form?

          • Axil Axil

            I believe that the iron will remove CO2 and H2O by absorbing oxygen from the mixture and only elemental iron oxide, K, Li, H, and C will remain at very high temperatures, but I am not sure…experimentation is required.

  • C’mon Roger, it might be interesting.

    It might blow up.

  • Anon2012_2014

    BLP “Public” Demo…

    Has anyone here in the public, i.e. strangers, actually received a confirmation from the request link. Try it yourself.

    This Jan 29th 2016 event isn’t a public demo, its a demo to _selected_ non-technical potential investors.

    If this demo was actually public, they would take all takers, not just some. Caveat Emptor.

  • Anon2012_2014

    BLP “Public” Demo…

    Has anyone here in the public, i.e. strangers, actually received a confirmation from the request link. Try it yourself.

    This Jan 29th 2016 event isn’t a public demo, its a demo to _selected_ non-technical potential investors.

    If this demo was actually public, they would take all takers, not just some. Caveat Emptor.

    • optiongeek

      no response here, but I wouldn’t take that as a sign of something nefarious. If they are using the same lab space as before, then space is extremely limited, maybe 30-40 invitees max. And elsewhere it was mentioned that invites are prioritized for potential investors & business partners. I’m aware of multiple such folks so I imagine the spaces will be very oversubscribed.

      • Anon2012_2014

        I think they prioritized on the money/scientific_know_how ratio. Old Dumb money is best for them. Caveat Emptor.

  • Could someone ask Sterling Allan if they have a timeline for when they expect to reveal their actual product?

    • artefact

      In the comming week Randy Mills will upload a video of the demonstration (or whatever happend there). I hope that will give some information.

      • Like energy in vs. energy out as measured – rather than as calculated by Mills.

        • mike wolf

          Yep, axe to grind. Which means your judgement is clouded.

          • Omega Z

            Only partly tongue-in-cheek. Mill’s did say there would be another investment seminar. He just didn’t give a date. Mill’s is still reaching out for investors. Mill’s plan is very similar to Rossi. Farming out add on technology to those more skilled like in PV’s etc…

            Rossi is just the mouth piece of a consortium. Apparently Darden is fine with this as he doesn’t like the public spotlight(Says Darden). Rossi/Lepnardo is also going to farm out most of the add on work focusing on the reactors themselves.

            Rossi says he wants to market the technology as cheap as possible. I’ll take his word for that at this time. However, I welcome a competitor. It keeps them honest of producing a cheap energy source. When one has a monopoly, they can do as they please.

  • Could someone ask Sterling Allan if they have a timeline for when they expect to reveal their actual product?

    • artefact

      In the comming week Randy Mills will upload a video of the demonstration (or whatever happend there). I hope that will give some information.

      • Like energy in vs. energy out as measured – rather than as calculated by Mills.

        • optiongeek

          I don’t think Mills will provide a demo of overunity – it seems he will leave development of an electric generator to his industrial partners.

        • mike wolf

          Yep, axe to grind. Which means your judgement is clouded.

  • WayneM

    So the medium to convey the water to the electrodes is molten silver. Really? Silver? Looks like the “Suncell” is a lot like hot fusion. We know it works in space, but it’s too expensive to build on earth. Nice move.

    Sounds like only the light at BrLP is brilliant.

    • I think the water has quietly exited stage left – he now seems be using silver and hydrogen to produce his plasma arc. I wonder if ‘hydrinos’ are still involved – he is apparently now invoking SPPs to explain the modus operandi (much discussed here at one time or another as a potential energy absorber and coherer for LENR reactions).

      • Mark Underwood

        Nascent water is still the catalyst, Mills said so, although hydrogen works as well. Silver is very effective at carrying the high electric current into the water, and the silver vapour very good at absorbing the eUV and reemitting as blackbody radiation

      • mike wolf

        water is the fuel, still. They can use the humidity in the air. You should know this, why are you trying to say they aren’t using water anymore? Have you seen Mills’ past work? My money is on him. Rossi is proving quantum physics wrong. A lower than ground state for hydrogen does too. Quantum physics can’t be right, because their ground state leaves too many unanswered solutions. Seems you have an axe to grind on this one A.

      • No the water is still there because HOH is the catalyst to accept the energy from the H atom. The silver is used for ignition, also the H2O dissolves in it when molten so when the arc current is applied it splits into H and HOH. Finally the silver vapour converts the UV into visible light.

        As Mills says a silver/copper mix could also be used.

        I guess the H is used as a “kicker” at the start of the reaction

    • Mark Underwood

      Randell Mills is brilliant and has very good reasons for using molten silver. Perhaps his technique for extracting power from hydrogen will change yet again from using silver, but if it does it will be yet another … improvement.

    • Roland

      The final design will be a closed system with all the silver recycled internal to the device, and the amount of metal per device is modest.

      And yes, this is still based on Mill’s hydrino theory which is in turn a subset of a much larger description of the universe which resulted in two major cosmological predictions which were subsequently confirmed by observations. The technology is the result of the lengthly search for a practical laboratory demonstration validating the underlying theory.

      And yes, there is a great deal of data to support his broader theory as even a cursory review of the website will reveal.

      And yes, this has been a long time coming to fruition as fresh insights have repeatedly led to a complete re-imagining of the apparatus.

      And yes, there are significant engineering challenges involved in harnessing the very high energy densities unleashed by the current process for making hydrinos.

      And no, the process has nothing to do with fusion, hot or otherwise, as the only change to the hydrogen atoms involved is the lower energy state of the electron relative to the nucleus. No fusion or fission occurs, and this, unlike LENR, is not a nuclear reaction.

    • Axil Axil

      Copper can be used instead of silver but the solar cells needs to be adjusted to pickup more red light and less blue and green light. This type of solar cell engineering is possible.

      When the silver ash produced by the SunCell is assayed and transmutation produces are detected, the jig will be up for the hydrino theory. This reaction is LENR absolutely.

      • Roland

        Interesting, do you dispute the data that confirms hydrino formation; if so on what basis?

        • Axil Axil

          I believe that the 10 nm XUV light that forms the basis of the hydrino theory experimental proof is being produced not by hydrinos, but by photons confined in a whispering gallery wave of a polariton soliton.

          • Mark Underwood

            Axil there are many wavelength cutoffs (not just 10 nm) depending on the particular hydrino reaction that is achieved. This is observed, and Mills’ theory *predicts* these cutoffs exactly.

          • Axil Axil

            The same mechanism is true for polariton solitons. As the solitons gain in photon energy, the wavelengths of the photons inclosed withing the whispering gallery wave is decreased from infrared to visible then to XUV and finally to x-ray frequencies.

            http://www.softmatter.si/images/wgm_reprensetation.jpg

            In order to fit the photon wave inside the whispering gallery wave, the photon wavelength is reduced in integer increments because of the nature of waves.

            Mills is confusing the behavior of a quasiparticle with that of an electron with a subunity angular momentum.

            Such quasiparticles with less than unity charge are produced by magnetism in the fractional quantum hall effect.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Now that’s interesting. I have always asked myself if there are alternative explanations for Mills’ EUV/X-ray spectra. This might be a possible candidate. The data would have to match quantitatively, though.

          • Mark Underwood

            Axil I don’t understand why you are implying Mills believes in electrons with subunit angular momentum. The electron’s angular momentum is conserved and remains at h bar.

          • optiongeek

            Axil, you’ve obviously read the papers and understand the predictions are matched by experimental results showing *continuum* radiation at both the 10.1nm and 23.6 nm cutoffs perfectly. Do you have any mathematical description of this “quasiparticle” theory you describe? One that tracks back elegantly to fundamental observations such as the explanation for why accelerating charge radiates and the origin of gravity as Mills’ GUTCP does?

          • Roland

            Ta da; theory predicts specific result, experimentation confirms prediction, theory validated until exceptions emerge…

            Science in action.

            The application of Mill’s grand theory to chemistry is also revealing as one can now purchase software that predicts isomer topographies and bonding in not yet created molecules, and then verify these predictions by making a hitherto non-existent molecule and subjecting it to analysis.

            Heady stuff really.

            To beat a familiar drum; more ‘hidden’ order.

            I’m with Axil Axil in this way, I think we’re, as a species, at the doorway to the next paradigm; a paradigm that elucidates Bohm’s implicate order and reveals fresh wonders.

            How does entanglement work exactly?

            Why is entanglement instantaneous?

            How virtual are virtual particles?

            No shortage of interesting questions.

            Unfortunately, we’re still at the stage of filling in data points of the Mandelbrot Set with a slide rule trying see the ghost of the underlying order in all its beauty and infinitely recursive complexity.

            Given the totality of his work I think Randall Mills deserves the benefit of the doubt on the existence of hydrinos until he is proven experimentally to be incorrect; that is, after all, how the science game is supposed to be played.

  • Before they were using copper and moisture as fuel, now molten silver? It still sound like they are producing an ordinary lighting effect from high voltages.

    • Mark Underwood

      With copper the voltages were low, but with silver the voltages are even lower: merely one quarter of a volt. It’s the current that is high.

  • Before they were using copper and moisture as fuel, now molten silver? It still sounds like they are producing an ordinary lighting effect from high voltages.

    • Mark Underwood

      With copper the voltages were low, but with silver the voltages are even lower: merely one quarter of a volt. It’s the current that is high.

  • Axil Axil

    https://www.science3d.org/sites/default/files/The-Electromagnetic-Spectrum.jpg

    http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/@api/deki/files/58010/chemwiki.jpg?size=bestfit&width=404&height=312&revision=1

    We can see that silver (ag) reflects the most visible light (between 400 and 800nm). Since the SunCell makes use of SPP LENR theory to produce sunlight, ability to reflect all the wavelengths of visible light(sun light) is important for SPP light production. Silver is the best metal to use in the SunCell because it will produce the most visible light. Silver reflects blue light best, for example, better than copper.

    In LENR, there must be a match between the color of the light used in the reaction and the type of metal chosen to produce the LENR reaction.

    Paintelli’s rejected patent listed just about any solid element in the periodic table as LENR capable.

    The issue is matching the material with the LENR application. Nickel reflects infrared light best so it is used to produce heat. Palladium reflects UV light best so it is best in UV applications like Holmlid where iridium is used instead. Palladium does not work well in producing heat. R. Mills uses silver to produce visible light. Copper reflects visible light and it is cheaper than gold or silver. Why is the reflection of light important to LENR? To form, Surface Plasmon Polariton need a optical cavity to provide a reflective surface to entangle photons at that frequency.

    See for an explanation the following:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWmvZ0IGrsU

    • Andreas Moraitis

      “Since the SunCell makes use of SPP LENR theory”

      Mills’ theory is not about LENR. I also do not remember that he mentioned SPPs, could you give a link?

      • Axil Axil

        Look at the collected work of Ken Shoulders.

  • georgehants

    Wonderful to see the possibility of BP still going.
    One can assume that any professional investors will do due diligence or if not and it is not genuine, then they are still within their rights to take a gamble.
    After seeing the now almost 30 years of corruption, incompetence and secrecy regarding Cold Fusion it is very easy to keep a scientific open-mind on BP.
    Good Luck to them and thanks to Sterling for the update.

  • georgehants

    Wonderful to see the possibility of BP still going.
    One can assume that any professional investors will do due diligence or if not and it is not genuine, then they are still within their rights to take a gamble.
    After seeing the now almost 30 years of corruption, incompetence and secrecy regarding Cold Fusion it is very easy to keep a scientific open-mind on BP.
    Good Luck to them and thanks to Sterling for the update.

  • Rip Kirbyian

    Frank, I have followed ECW since start and I must say I think you have an impressive balanced and cautious approach to your reports. However, I wonder how you reason when you use Sterling Allan as a source. I guess you are aware of that this mans mental health is not what it should be. He claims that he is god in the flesh. And he has an unhealthy obsessions with very young girls (which he calls whores…). Please tell me how you reason.

    • pg

      You might want to bring some substance to your accusations before anyone gives this any credit.

      • What Rip Kirbyian said is true and has been posted on Allan’s website. It’s not a big secret. I still check out his website occasionally, but I have never trusted the webmaster and most people view the site as a joke. I don’t think ECW is endorsing Allan’s site, just passing on one small tidbit of information. Allan did expose the Solar Hydrogen Trends fiasco, so occasionally one can learn something of value from it despite the fact that it is usually about 95% a fiction/fantasy site.

        • LarryJ

          Another mean spirited comment without a link. What you say may or may not be true but if you are going to possibly slander someone you should do them and us the courtesy of substantiating it. Otherwise it makes you a possible character assassin. A person nobody would respect, especially here.

          • You don’t understand the history of his website. These are not rumors. These are things he admits and writes about himself on his own website. The link is his own URL.

          • LarryJ

            Give us a specific link. I have followed his site on and off for years and have seen nothing of what you describe. Put your link where your mouth is. So far the only persons of questionable character here are you and Rip Kirbyian.

          • http://pesn.com//2015/01/03/9602589_Sterling-Confession/

            This is way off topic to this website. The above is just one link. Do a Google search yourself for the rest.

          • LarryJ

            Thank you for finally providing a specific link. I followed it and what I found was a contrite confession from a man who has publicly admitted a problem with pedophilia and who has publicly outlined his efforts to deal with that problem. Pedophiles are born, not made and as a result a certain percentage of the population are born with this affliction and live amongst us in all walks of life. Nobody asks to be a pedophile. The important thing for a person so afflicted is for that person to admit to having the problem and then taking steps to deal with it, which based on the link you provided, Mr. Allan appears to be doing.

            As to whether yours and Mr Kirbyians comments are way off topic is partly true and partly not. Mr Allan was an attendee at the recent Brilliant Light demo which makes him a person of interest here. What I fail to understand is how your connection between his personal problems with pedophilia and his long standing interest in new energy technologies is relevant. I would point out that you introduced this side of the topic not me. I am the respondent here and am simply addressing what appears to be an unjustified and irrelevant intolerance towards a person trying to deal with a difficult personal issue that has nothing to do with his credibility on the issue of the Brilliant Light demo.

            You also commented that most people regard Mr. Allan’s site as a joke but once again you neglected to include a supporting link for your view. All I know for sure is that you think it’s a joke and I don’t.

            Mr. Kirbyian also appears to have a problem with religious zealots and you have supported him in that view. Again, what is the connection between Mr Allan’s religious views and his attendance at the Brilliant Light demo. I have no personal love or hatred for zealots of any kind but if we discounted all zealots (including us free energy wingnuts) we would eliminate a lot of interesting opinions.

            You also suggest that I do my own Google search for dirt on Mr Allan. I would suggest you do a Google search for dirt on Mr. Rossi. Anybody, including you and Mr Kirbyian, with an axe to grind can post to the internet. That doesn’t make what they post true or relevant.

          • bachcole

            I salute anyone with the strength of character to publicly admit that they have such a dreadful and potentially contagious problem. Mr. Allen is to be applauded for admitting his illness, as long as he keeps to the straight and narrow.

          • I did not start this discussion and have no “axe to grind” against Sterling. I simply came to the defense of the original poster because you were unaware of the real situation and the many crazy posts that Mr. Allen has made himself. I have no special interest in the topic at all, and the “dirt” comes directly from Mr. Allen’s own writings, which are off the charts crazy by any standard. I also came to the defense of ECW for posting the information about Sterling’s visit to Brilliant Light. You are misrepresenting what I said. If you believe in fuelless perpetual motion machines developed in places like the Phillipines and South Africa, then his site is of interest to you, but not to me.

    • mike wolf

      He has admitted to being a pedophile and mentally ill. But all he does is report alternative energies advancements. I think until he is charged and convicted of any crimes, let’s not claim anything he is doing is not legitimate. If it wasn’t for Allen, I wouldn’t have known about the ecat and ecatworld, or orbo, brillion, or even the newman motor. Just saying.

  • pg

    You might want to bring some substance to your accusations before anyone gives this any credit.

    • What Rip Kirbyian said is true and has been posted on Allan’s website. It’s not a big secret. I still check out his website occasionally, but I have never trusted the webmaster and most people view the site as a joke. I don’t think ECW is endorsing Allan’s site, just passing on one small tidbit of information. Allan did expose the Solar Hydrogen Trends fiasco, so occasionally one can learn something of value from it despite the fact that it is usually about 95% a fiction/fantasy site.

      • LarryJ

        Another mean spirited comment without a link. What you say may or may not be true but if you are going to possibly slander someone you should do them and us the courtesy of substantiating it. Otherwise it makes you a possible character assassin. A person nobody would respect.

        • You don’t understand the history of his website. These are not rumors. These are things he admits and writes about himself on his own website. The link is his own URL.

          • LarryJ

            Give us a specific link. I have followed his site on and off for years and have seen nothing of what you describe. Put your link where your mouth is. So far the only persons of questionable character here are you and Rip Kirbyian.

          • http://pesn.com//2015/01/03/9602589_Sterling-Confession/

            This is way off topic to this website. The above is just one link. Do a Google search yourself for the rest.

          • LarryJ

            Thank you for finally providing a specific link. I followed it and what I found was a contrite confession from a man who has publicly admitted a problem with pedophilia and who has publicly outlined his efforts to deal with that problem. Pedophiles are born, not made and as a result a certain percentage of the population are born with this affliction and live amongst us in all walks of life. Nobody asks to be a pedophile. The important thing for a person so afflicted is for that person to admit to having the problem and then taking steps to deal with it, which based on the link you provided, Mr. Allan appears to be doing.

            As to whether yours and Mr Kirbyians comments are way off topic is partly true and partly not. Mr Allan was an attendee at the recent Brilliant Light demo which makes him a person of interest here. What I fail to understand is how your connection between his personal problems with pedophilia and his long standing interest in new energy technologies is relevant. I would point out that you introduced this side of the topic not me. I am the respondent here and am simply addressing what appears to be an unjustified and irrelevant intolerance towards a person trying to deal with a difficult personal issue that has nothing to do with his credibility on the issue of the Brilliant Light demo.

            You also commented that most people regard Mr. Allan’s site as a joke but once again you neglected to include a supporting link for your view. All I know for sure is that you think it’s a joke and I don’t.

            Mr. Kirbyian also appears to have a problem with religious zealots and you have supported him in that view. Again, what is the connection between Mr Allan’s religious views and his attendance at the Brilliant Light demo. I have no personal love or hatred for zealots of any kind but if we discounted all zealots (including us free energy wingnuts) we would eliminate a lot of interesting opinions.

            You also suggest that I do my own Google search for dirt on Mr Allan. I would suggest you do a Google search for dirt on Mr. Rossi. Anybody, including you and Mr Kirbyian, with an axe to grind can post to the internet. That doesn’t make it true or relevant.

          • I did not start this discussion and have no “axe to grind” against Sterling. I simply came to the defense of the original poster because you were unaware of the real situation and the many crazy posts that Mr. Allen has made himself. I have no special interest in the topic at all, and the “dirt” comes directly from Mr. Allen’s own writings, which are off the charts crazy by any standard. I also came to the defense of ECW for posting the information about Sterling’s visit to Brilliant Light. You are misrepresenting what I said. If you believe in fuelless perpetual motion machines developed in places like the Phillipines and South Africa, then his site is of interest to you, but not to me.

          • Axil Axil
  • Mark Underwood

    Randell Mills is brilliant and has very good reasons for using molten silver. Perhaps his technique for extracting power from hydrogen will change yet again from using silver, but if it does it will be yet another … improvement.

  • David Lund

    I received an e-mail back that they would be releasing a video of the demonstration in the near future.

  • deleo77

    FYI – here is a post from another forum by someone who attended. And it sounds like the videos from the demo will be on-line next week. While there doesn’t appear to be a working SunCell to demo just yet, I still believe that this company is on to something that could turn out to be a big deal. The bigger question to me is not if but when.

    I was there. It was great. Randy explained the various iterations that led to the current version of the SunCell. He also went into great detail as to how the cell works. The design is amazingly creative and functional and the results are stunning. Without question, what BLP has accomplished is “brilliant.” Congratulations Randy. The demo that was done replicates what is on the website and demonstrates control over the reaction. The PV has not yet been integrated so this demo was meant to show the great progress that has been made and is not intended to reflect a final commercial embodiment. I am sure there will be critics who emphasize that the unit is still not operating in a self sustaining mode, but I think it was obvious to everyone present the tremendous energy being generated and that the next steps will not require the same level of incredible ingenuity and innovation that was involved with the ignition and recharge systems. Not to say there are not still challenges ahead, but they will not be the same type of unprecedented, complex engineering that has already been solved. Randy indicated that, while they are continuing to work on new iterations, he believes that his company’s work on this version is largely complete. The will continue to work on integrating and advancing the PV, but the SunCell is ready for partners to take it to the market. Several of them were present at the meeting and seemed ready to do so. The next several months should be very interesting, but I would expect we will only hear of progress as new milestones are reached.

    • Roland

      Thank you for the update; I agree that this is very interesting.

  • deleo77

    FYI – here is a post from another forum by someone who attended. And it sounds like the videos from the demo will be on-line next week. While there doesn’t appear to be a working SunCell to demo just yet, I still believe that this company is on to something that could turn out to be a big deal. The bigger question to me is not if but when.

    I was there. It was great. Randy explained the various iterations that led to the current version of the SunCell. He also went into great detail as to how the cell works. The design is amazingly creative and functional and the results are stunning. Without question, what BLP has accomplished is “brilliant.” Congratulations Randy. The demo that was done replicates what is on the website and demonstrates control over the reaction. The PV has not yet been integrated so this demo was meant to show the great progress that has been made and is not intended to reflect a final commercial embodiment. I am sure there will be critics who emphasize that the unit is still not operating in a self sustaining mode, but I think it was obvious to everyone present the tremendous energy being generated and that the next steps will not require the same level of incredible ingenuity and innovation that was involved with the ignition and recharge systems. Not to say there are not still challenges ahead, but they will not be the same type of unprecedented, complex engineering that has already been solved. Randy indicated that, while they are continuing to work on new iterations, he believes that his company’s work on this version is largely complete. The will continue to work on integrating and advancing the PV, but the SunCell is ready for partners to take it to the market. Several of them were present at the meeting and seemed ready to do so. The next several months should be very interesting, but I would expect we will only hear of progress as new milestones are reached.

    • Roland

      Thank you for the update; I agree that this is very interesting.

  • Axil Axil

    Copper can be used instead of silver but the solar cells needs to be adjusted to pickup more red light and less blue and green light. This type of solar cell engineering is possible.

    When the silver ash produced by the SunCell is assayed and transmutation produces are detected, the jig will be up for the hydrino theory. This reaction is LENR absolutely.

    • Roland

      Interesting, do you dispute the data that confirms hydrino formation; if so on what basis?

      • Axil Axil

        I believe that the 10 nm XUV light that forms the basis of the hydrino theory experimental proof is being produced not by hydrinos, but by photons confined in a whispering gallery wave of a polariton soliton.

        • Mark Underwood

          Axil there are many wavelength cutoffs (not just 10 nm) depending on the particular hydrino reaction that is achieved. This is observed, and Mills’ theory *predicts* these cutoffs exactly.

          • Axil Axil

            The same mechanism is true for polariton solitons. As the solitons gain in photon energy, the wavelengths of the photons inclosed withing the whispering gallery wave is decreased from infrared to visible then to XUV and finally to x-ray frequencies.

            http://www.softmatter.si/images/wgm_reprensetation.jpg

            In order to fit the photon wave inside the whispering gallery wave, the photon wavelength is reduced in integer increments because of the nature of waves.

            Mills is confusing the behavior of a quasiparticle with that of an electron with a subunity angular momentum.

            Such quasiparticles with less than unity charge are produced by magnetism in the fractional quantum hall effect.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Now that’s interesting. I have always asked myself if there are alternative explanations for Mills’ EUV/X-ray spectra. This might be a possible candidate. The data would have to match quantitatively, though.

          • Axil Axil

            Jack Cole: Looks like they made a video available of their welder-sun demo. 😉

            See:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0PYe-4090g

          • tlp

            Next year driving on the streets!

          • Mark Underwood

            Axil I don’t understand why you are implying Mills believes in electrons with subunit angular momentum. The electron’s angular momentum is conserved and remains at h bar.

          • Roland

            Ta da; theory predicts specific result, experimentation confirms prediction, theory validated until exceptions emerge…

            Science in action.

            The application of Mill’s grand theory to chemistry is also revealing as one can now purchase software that predicts isomer topographies and bonding in not yet created molecules, and then verify these predictions by making a hitherto non-existent molecule and subjecting it to analysis.

            Heady stuff really.

            To beat a familiar drum; more ‘hidden’ order.

            I’m with Axil Axil in this way, I think we’re, as a species, at the doorway to the next paradigm; a paradigm that elucidates Bohm’s implicate order and reveals fresh wonders.

            How does entanglement work exactly?

            Why is entanglement instantaneous?

            How virtual are virtual particles?

            No shortage of interesting questions.

            Unfortunately, we’re still at the stage of filling in data points of the Mandelbrot Set with a slide rule trying see the ghost of the underlying order in all its beauty and infinitely recursive complexity.

            Given the totality of his work I think Randall Mills deserves the benefit of the doubt on the existence of hydrinos until he is proven experimentally to be incorrect; that is, after all, how the science game is supposed to be played.

    • mike wolf

      He has admitted to being a pedophile and mentally ill. But all he does is report alternative energies advancements. I think until he is charged and convicted of any crimes, let’s not claim anything he is doing is not legitimate. If it wasn’t for Allen, I wouldn’t have known about the ecat and ecatworld, or orbo, brillion, or even the newman motor. Just saying.

  • optiongeek

    I think one of the most interesting aspects of the in-person report re-posted here by deleo is the notion that BrLP considers their work nearly complete on this generation of equipment. It seems they are now handing it off to industrial partners to complete the engineering of the photovoltaics that will provide the self-ignition. In other words, they are so confident in their technology that don’t even need to demonstrate over unity before they are willing to hand the device over to third parties for further innovation. Quite a departure from the endless testing and validation and retesting cycles we get from Rossi.

    • Omega Z

      Stand by–> BrLP will present another demo around August/Seprember of 2016. Followed by another around February/March 2017.

      You probably missed the part about this Demo being part of a fundraiser. In total over the years, they have raised between 80 Million$ and 100 Million$. As to a usable product, they are still quite some time away.

      While this particular LENR approach is interesting & has certain advantages, it is still very problematic to harness for use. Aside from the issues of the technology, Randy Mills is not about bringing cheap energy to the consumer, but huge profits to the few. This is based on his videos. Note I have no problem with reasonable profit margins. It is what makes things work…

      • optiongeek

        I think you’re being tongue-in-cheek with the announced demo dates, right? I didn’t see any announcement like that and it would be out of character for Mills to announce demos that far in advance. His demos have historically been scheduled a few weeks to a month after a major breakthrough. In fact, I find the “Time to conclusion of E-CAT test” countdown timer just to the right on my screen to be somewhat indicative of the approach between Mills and Rossi. I’ve never in my life worked on a product where the testing period could be measured out to the second yet span a period of months. That right there sounds suspicious.
        Also, this is decidedly *not* LENR – as is easily shown by the characterization of the catalyst as being an acceptor of n * 13.6eV. The process works when the catalyst accepts n * 13.6eV such as HOH or a range of very specific metals, otherwise it doesn’t, such as with He. That’s not LENR, but is precisely predicted by GUTCP.
        Again, huge difference between the Mills approach to that of Rossi. One is handing off important early-stage components to third parties for co-development. The other jealously guards his boxes and insists on total secrecy from mystery partners while they undergo endless tests. Which one sounds more in control of their technology?

        • Omega Z

          Only partly tongue-in-cheek. Mill’s did say there would be another investment seminar. He just didn’t give a date. Mill’s is still reaching out for investors. Mill’s plan is very similar to Rossi. Farming out add on technology to those more skilled like in PV’s etc…

          Rossi is just the mouth piece of a consortium. Apparently Darden is fine with this as he doesn’t like the public spotlight(Says Darden). Rossi/Lepnardo is also going to farm out most of the add on work focusing on the reactors themselves.

          Rossi says he wants to market the technology as cheap as possible. I’ll take his word for that at this time. However, I welcome a competitor. It keeps them honest of producing a cheap energy source. When one has a monopoly, they can do as they please.

  • tlp

    Additional comment from the same person who attended (not Allan):
    Randy discussed the recharge process and there were slides that showed how it works, but the demo was not set up to actually view the recharge process in operation. The demo operated for probably 8-10 minutes and the ability to control the reaction was clear. It was set up to demonstrate the progress that has been made in the continuous ignition and light output, but they were obviously not going to reveal trade secrets. Going into the meeting, I was hoping that some academics or outside validators might be speaking to finally refute the misinformation that has been spread by the hydrinophobes over the years, but Randy was really the only person who presented. There was a representative of a PV manufacturer who responded to some questions and there were several BrLP staff there to explain the setup and run the demo. As explained to me afterwards, BrLP is working with several major companies that have done their own due diligence and validations. BrLP will make some of that information available to potential business partners under certain conditions and restrictions. They are interested in getting a commercial product to market as soon as possible and believe they have reached the point where companies that have the expertise can and are recognizing the commercial value of the SunCell and will assist them meeting their goals. The demo was more to document progress rather than gain academic acceptance. They are confident the academics will come along when the product is completed. At this point, the attitude seems to be that you can get on board or stand on the sideline and watch the world change around you.

  • Axil Axil

    Jack Cole: Looks like they made a video available of their welder-sun demo. 😉

    See:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0PYe-4090g

    • tlp

      Next year driving on the streets!

    • optiongeek

      if it’s a welder burning magnesium we’ll know soon enough. No way the industrial partners would be signing up to co-develop – pretty sure the magnesium they keep loading into the device to operate would be a giveaway

  • Axil Axil

    I now suspect that the reaction going on in the SunCell is the same reaction that is occurring on and throughout the entirety of the Sun…it is powering the Sun.

  • Axil Axil
  • Axil Axil

    This system has been produced before however with a more simplified design.

    The worlds fair search light.

    http://www.historyinsidepictures.com/siteimages/SR19.JPG

    “Gen. Flagier believes that the searchlight will be very useful in the coast-defense forts at the large ports, and it is with the view of ascertaining utility of these lights that the present apparatus is to be bought and experiments conducted at Sandy Hook proving ground. The system comprises the light proper, with mirror about 60 inches in diameter, furnished with a horizontal arc lamp. The mechanism must be capable of giving the light a rotation in a horizontal and vertical plane, and a governor must be provided to permit of electrically training the apparatus from a distance. The dynamo must produce an intensity of light of about 200,000,000 candle power, while the energy consumed in the lamp must not exceed 150 amperes by 60 volts. The makers of the light must keep it in operation for eight successive nights at Sandy Hook before it is accepted by the Government, and must instruct the force of operators who are chosen by the Ordinance Office.”

  • Axil Axil

    This system has been produced before however with a more simplified design.

    The worlds fair search light.

    http://www.historyinsidepictures.com/siteimages/SR19.JPG

    “Gen. Flagier believes that the searchlight will be very useful in the coast-defense forts at the large ports, and it is with the view of ascertaining utility of these lights that the present apparatus is to be bought and experiments conducted at Sandy Hook proving ground. The system comprises the light proper, with mirror about 60 inches in diameter, furnished with a horizontal arc lamp. The mechanism must be capable of giving the light a rotation in a horizontal and vertical plane, and a governor must be provided to permit of electrically training the apparatus from a distance. The dynamo must produce an intensity of light of about 200,000,000 candle power, while the energy consumed in the lamp must not exceed 150 amperes by 60 volts. The makers of the light must keep it in operation for eight successive nights at Sandy Hook before it is accepted by the Government, and must instruct the force of operators who are chosen by the Ordinance Office.”