Brilliant Light Power Post Fourth Public Demonstration Video (Becktemba)

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Brilliant Light Power posted its fourth “Demonstration Days” Video (1hr. 55min.) on its new site today. (http://brilliantlightpower.com/demonstration-days/). Dr. Randall Mills starts the demonstration with discussing a new energy source called “Hydrinos” utilized by its Brilliant Light Power’s “SunCell”. Dr. Mills reviews the physics, mechanics and economic impact of the technology with a good amount of detail.

In the description of the demonstration it states:

“The SunCell® is expected to be available for commercial use in 2017. Dr. Mills expects commercial units at volume to have a capital cost around $100 per kilowatt capacity. The units will use water as hydrogen fuel, resulting in an on-site, total generation cost of electricity of less than a cent per kilowatt-hour. The BrLP business plan promotes a leasing model for units under power purchase agreements. BrLP anticipates that SunCells® can be used to replace all power sources, such as stationary and motive sources.”

Like all emerging energy technology inventors and disruptors Dr. Mill says that the market will decide whether or not the technology works.

Becktemba

  • tlp

    Brilliant demo and discussion! Rossi needs to move fast to be competitive.

    • Jonnyb

      I doubt he is too worried.

      • Winebuff67

        Mills is too vague to have large utilities sign contracts for distribution and engineering to maximize output.

        • Omega Z

          Actually, Mill’s has already sold distribution contracts to a few utilities. It is how it obtained a lot of his funding in the past.

  • tlp

    Brilliant demo and discussion! Rossi needs to move fast to be competitive.

    • Toussaint françois

      Yes I agree, maybe rossi will present this year his new E-CAT X

    • Jonnyb

      I doubt he is too worried.

      • Winebuff67

        Mills is too vague to have large utilities sign contracts for distribution and engineering to maximize output.

        • Omega Z

          Actually, Mill’s has already sold distribution contracts to a few utilities. It is how it obtained a lot of his funding in the past.

  • Bob Greenyer

    It is very glowy…

  • Bob Greenyer

    It is very glowy…

  • Bob Greenyer

    Some simple audio analysis would give the firing frequency

  • Bob Greenyer

    Some simple audio analysis would give the firing frequency

  • Kinda mind-boggling. Puts a whole new view on what is going on with petroleum.

  • Kinda mind-boggling. Puts a whole new view on what is going on with petroleum.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Go long silver… whilst it is very cheap.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Go long silver… whilst it is very cheap.

  • PappyYokum

    BLP products are always 18 months away from market.

    • Bob Greenyer

      There is that, but to be fair – this looks a lot closer to market than last year. Time will tell.

      Making things ALWAYS takes longer to finesse the edges.

      • Gryphon

        Very true, I remember seeing a demonstration the other year and being somewhat underwhelmed. This time I’ve been impressed and 2017 for a first commercial product actually doesn’t sound unreasonable

        • Bob Greenyer

          The engineering looks well done – and I could not easily pick holes in the things he said.

    • Bob Greenyer

      I used to put these disclaimers at the start of the presentations I would produce for the financial industry.

    • deleo77

      I can’t disagree with your statement, but… Every time I see Mills do a demonstration I do think he is inching closer. I like how candid he was in this demo about all of the engineering challenges he has faced in designing the SunCell. He lays it all out there, unlike Rossi who is too secretive for his own good in my opinion.

      I guess this process of finding a revolutionary new source of energy and iterating day after day to get to a commercial product is not too different from a horse race, with all of the different players involved. All I can say is if someone handed me $10,000 and I had to bet on a horse right now, I would put my money on Mills. Maybe he gets there maybe he doesn’t, but I think he has the clearest path to the finish line, and I would bet that the finish line will be reached within a couple of years time.

    • Gryphon

      Better than 40 years for hot fusion 😉

  • Bob Greenyer

    For context. When we were with Piantelli, he went through several theorists/experimentalists… he rubbished them one by one with reasoned arguments based largely on known physics.

    Then he came to an enormous ream of paper… referring to it he said “Now, Mills… Mills is the closest”, then he flicked through the deck a few times and came to a particular part on a particular page and then he said “But he’s got this wrong”. Mills was the only person he gave direct credence to.

    Silver is a transition metal.

    If Mills has what he claims – and I am minded to think he might, he is taking the right path to market – and Rossi will be left standing. The gauntlet has been thoroughly laid down.

    It is claimed to be scalable, with no moving parts and designed for long life with the only consumable being moisture from the air. No fuel swap outs – just a price per unit of power delivered and cars with unlimited range, although – I’d prefer to see quad copters, because this can produce electricity directly in a lightweight unit – making a quad-copter will be little more complex than a sun-cell, $30 toy drone, a chassis, four big motors and blades. Yay – for the end of roads.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      This is insofar surprising as Mills’ and Piantelli’s theories do not seem to have much in common. Maybe Piantelli was just recognizing Mills’ scientific creativity – which is undoubtedly impressive, independent of the question whether his theory will turn out to be correct or not. Anyway, it would be interesting to know what exactly Piantelli meant when he said “But he’s got this wrong”.

    • Winebuff67

      The demo seems disapointing no power in and no ir camera to tell how hot we are looking at. Prices of pelletized water, consumption rates of fuel, how can anyone independently figure cost without these important metrics?

      • Bob Greenyer

        The claim is it now feeds molten silver, combined with H2O extracted from moisture in the air into the spark zone. The silver is never consumed – it is vaporised, condenses and flows back to the molten reservoir. The energy released heats a tungsten dome sealing the sun-cell and the re-emitted light is then absorbed by 1-2000 ‘sun’ light capable existing photo voltaics that convert the light to electricity.

        • Fyodor

          Were there any specific claims about how much energy it was generating or how long it ran?

          • Winebuff67

            None, the test was done off site from where the guests were at but we’re told it was in the adjacent room.

          • Fyodor

            Right, I would have settled for some sort of specific claims about how much electricity they can generate, how long it runs ,etc. It sounds like it’s just the same vague crap with promises of something commercially useful around the corner.

          • Bob Greenyer

            No specific claims… just had waving at charts of theoretical energy released from a black body per square metre – not impressed.In response to a question along the lines of how long it ran he was partially responsive – kinda suggesting it would go on and on – then saying that the top is off so the silver was vaporising and they’d have to continually add more – then saying if the capped the top it would melt down as they need to line it with refractory materials – as we WELL know – even at the temperatures we operate at – options are limited. The whole thing may have to be Tungsten or Graphite with vacuum – then there is the whole question of how you get a vacuum with silver gas and continuous feed of water.

        • Winebuff67

          One question Bob. How many large utillities will invest the
          Money to engineer this with no longer term test results, no data of any kind just the word of mills?

          • Bob Greenyer

            More if they sign an NDA and get to test a unit themselves… Ultimately it has to come to that.

    • Omega Z

      According to everybody, everybody else has it wrong. 🙂

      • Bob Greenyer

        HAHA – too right!

  • Bob Greenyer

    For context. When we were with Piantelli, he went through several theorists/experimentalists… he rubbished them one by one with reasoned arguments based largely on known physics.

    Then he came to an enormous ream of paper… referring to it he said “Now, Mills… Mills is the closest”, then he flicked through the deck a few times and came to a particular part on a particular page and then he said “But he’s got this wrong”. Mills was the only person he gave direct credence to.

    Silver is a transition metal.

    If Mills has what he claims – and I am minded to think he might, he is taking the right path to market – and Rossi will be left standing. The gauntlet has been thoroughly laid down.

    It is claimed to be scalable, with no moving parts and designed for long life with the only consumable being moisture from the air. No fuel swap outs – just a price per unit of power delivered and cars with unlimited range, although – I’d prefer to see quad copters, because this can produce electricity directly in a lightweight unit – making a quad-copter will be little more complex than a sun-cell, $30 toy drone, a chassis, four big motors and blades. Yay – for the end of roads.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      This is insofar surprising as Mills’ and Piantelli’s theories do not seem to have much in common. Maybe Piantelli was just recognizing Mills’ scientific creativity – which is undoubtedly impressive, independent of the question whether his theory will turn out to be correct or not. Anyway, it would be interesting to know what exactly Piantelli meant when he said “But he’s got this wrong”.

    • Winebuff67

      The demo seems disapointing no power in and no ir camera to tell how hot we are looking at. Prices of pelletized water, consumption rates of fuel, how can anyone independently figure cost without these important metrics?

      • Bob Greenyer

        The claim is it now feeds molten silver, combined with H2O extracted from moisture in the air into the spark zone. The silver is never consumed – it is vaporised, condenses and flows back to the molten reservoir. The energy released heats a tungsten dome sealing the sun-cell and the re-emitted light is then absorbed by 1-2000 ‘sun’ light capable existing photo voltaics that convert the light to electricity.

        • Fyodor

          Were there any specific claims about how much energy it was generating or how long it ran?

          • Winebuff67

            None, the test was done off site from where the guests were at but we’re told it was in the adjacent room.

          • Fyodor

            Right, I would have settled for some sort of specific claims about how much electricity they can generate, how long it runs ,etc. It sounds like it’s just the same vague crap with promises of something commercially useful around the corner.

          • Bob Greenyer

            No specific claims… just had waving at charts of theoretical energy released from a black body per square metre – not impressed.In response to a question along the lines of how long it ran he was partially responsive – kinda suggesting it would go on and on – then saying that the top is off so the silver was vaporising and they’d have to continually add more – then saying if the capped the top it would melt down as they need to line it with refractory materials – as we WELL know – even at the temperatures we operate at – options are limited. The whole thing may have to be Tungsten or Graphite with vacuum – then there is the whole question of how you get a vacuum with silver gas and continuous feed of water.

        • Winebuff67

          One question Bob. How many large utillities will invest the
          Money to engineer this with no longer term test results, no data of any kind just the word of mills?

          • Bob Greenyer

            More if they sign an NDA and get to test a unit themselves… Ultimately it has to come to that.

    • Omega Z

      According to everybody, everybody else has it wrong. 🙂

      • Bob Greenyer

        HAHA – too right!

  • Bob Greenyer

    There is that, but o be fair – this look a lot closer to market than last year. Time will tell.

    Making things ALWAYS takes longer to finesse the edges.

  • I hope they can get something that works, but without an independent test I remain skeptical. Was the demo really live or was it recorded? Is it all real or a special effect? What would the MIT physics department think of the test and the ideas behind it? I want to hear an independent analysis of what went on.

    • Omega Z

      There was a live test that I thought conveniently interrupted the seminar.

      • Omega Z

        Agreed, That’s why I call it the Snake Oil sales pitch. I’m also certain it will proliferate much slower then he implies. His view is that it will proliferate fast due to economics. It is those same economics that will slow it down.

  • Angry SQUIRREL!!

    “Like all emerging energy technology inventors and disruptors Dr. Mill says that the market will decide whether or not the technology works.”
    Ya and you have to actually put it on the market in the first place. So far they have only been getting money from investors who have been getting suckered into this for over 15 years. Is it really going to hit the market? History says no.

  • I hope they can get something that works, but without an independent test I remain skeptical. Was the demo really live or was it recorded? Is it all real or a special effect? What would the MIT physics department think of the test and the ideas behind it? I want to hear an independent analysis of what went on.

    • optiongeek

      Mills is past the independent testing stage. Now it’s just assembly of the subcomponents. He’s handing off working units to the subcomponent manufacturers – don’t you think they would notice if it wasn’t really producing the power as claimed?

      • To find the truth you have to have all the facts. We do not have all the facts. Solar Hydrogen Trends had a very good backstory and positive test results, but they failed to tell the public that their reactor contained aluminum which acted as a hidden energy battery. Do we really know how the video camera was set up? Do we know their business partners and what is really going on? I don’t think so. All that said, I of course still hope it will work as claimed, but the proof will only come through hands-on independent testing.

    • Omega Z

      There was a live test that I thought conveniently interrupted the seminar.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I used to put these disclaimers at the start of the presentations I would produce for the financial industry.

    • US_Citizen71

      Question for anyone who has watched the whole thing: Has BrLP closed the loop yet?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Nope

        • Omega Z

          AND, US owes you a thank you for watching that in entirety. 30 minutes would have sufficed, I want my other 1.5 hours back… 🙂

        • Jonnyb

          I would love to believe this works but somehow?

        • US_Citizen71

          Thank you!

          • Omega Z

            Twas a long 2 hours. I think I watched it all, but I can’t be certain. I think I recall hearing some snoring and I’m home alone. Maybe it was the dog. 🙂

      • LuFong

        Mills said that they would have a demo ready last December (2014) because it was just assembly of components. We’ll they’ve managed to miss that by over a year and the demonstration is far less than what they seem to promise. It’s just that they have such long track record of promises that this one cannot be taken too seriously.

    • Job001

      So, let’stand check some numbers: One months revenue at $0.15/KwHr x 30dayx24h/dayrx250Kw=$27,000, OK looks good. I think I’ll take a cab and let it run!
      That brings up the point that early adopters will do very well, so it may be tough out bidding utilities. Likely the big bidders will buy out manufacturing capacity.
      How likely is all this? Mill”s has got the goods and research and engineering funds. His science works from many unbiased perspectives. I like the spectroscopic research, right on! Don’t bet big against him!

      • If the output is similar in spectrum to sunlight, would not they all get sunburned during testing? I did not watch the entire presentation. Did they talk about UV?

        • Job001

          Exceptionally intense UV converts into a blackbody spectrum by the mechanisms noted in the report, silver 3500K plasma and a titanium cover. Yes, closeup one would get sunburnt as I have from an unshielded welding torch. They know what they have and have modified the spectrum to get what is needed by the solar cells. Mills noted they are getting about 38% efficiency.

          • The demo supposed to be taking place in an adjacent room was open, i.e., no tungsten dome to convert NUV/UV to black body radiation, and the technicians’ only protection seemed to be welding goggles and lab coats.

            At the energy levels claimed, unprotected skin would be UV burned in seconds and anything else organic in line of sight and within a few metres would melt or catch fire after a short period of exposure.

          • Job001

            Nah, one can even hear the low frequency the demo was run at!

      • enantiomer2000

        Interesting. If they charge $.10/kwh, I wonder how that would compare to solar rooftop installations? Lifetime costs for rooftop PV today is about $.12/kwh and dropping. Once BrLP releases their tech, it might make sense to install both because rooftop solar prices could actually be lower than SunCells.

        • Job001

          Mill’s mentioned and his report indicates $0.01/KwHr. Wind is down to $0.024/KwHr so the SunCells should be competitive. The $0.15/KwHr number is about my local rate. One would not gain by having two facilities that produce such cheap energy. One would go all electric and not need to economize because the marginal cost of electricity would be negligible after capital and maintenance relatively fixed costs.

        • Fyodor

          “whoa there were people in suits in the YouTube video. He must have a magical infinite power source!”

          • mike wolf

            Mills was a multi millionaire When he decide to pursue the Ponns and Fleicshmann experiment. You can see if you had been following them, where they went from their original idea. There is a fusion route that is being funded with millions of dollars per year, and they MAY have something in 15 to 25 years.

            This is for real, I still see some engineering problems they may have. Mills is brilliant, pun not intended. But if he hadn’t had systematic rejection of his theory. There would have been engineering specialists with a variety of ways to extract the energy from his, I wouldn’t call it invention, but his discovery of this energy source.

            That light is intense and real. Mills has a few other inventions, and I believe in him. I also sensed has was a little guilty looking when he said 2017. Like he wished it were ready. I suspect he is even underestimating the actual manufacturing date. This new way seems volatile and I have a feeling there could be complications. But it is what he says it is.

          • Roland

            I’m not particularly surprised at the rate at which the reaction chewed up the various mechanical based schemes to ignite the solid fuel; the current design, especially the EM fuel handling and the blackbody radiation method of feeding the PV, strikes me as a very large step forward in meeting the engineering challenges.

            As you note, a year goes by with remarkable rapidity in these type of endeavours.

  • deleo77

    I can’t disagree with your statement, but… Every time I see Mills do a demonstration I do think he is inching closer. I like how candid he was in this demo about all of the engineering challenges he has faced in designing the SunCell. He lays it all out there, unlike Rossi who is too secretive for his own good in my opinion.

    I guess this process of finding a revolutionary new source of energy and iterating day after day to get to a commercial product is not too different from a horse race, with all of the different players involved. All I can say is if someone handed me $10,000 and I had to bet on a horse right now, I would put my money on Mills. Maybe he gets there maybe he doesn’t, but I think he has the clearest path to the finish line, and I would bet that the finish line will be reached within a couple of years time.

  • artefact

    “It pays for itself in about 10 days” (1:41:50)
    for the reseller but not for me I guess.

    • Omega Z

      Yesss, Manufactures of the parts cost he rattled off are going, Hey, Mills found a labor source that are actually negative cost in nature.

      From watching several video’s, I’m of the opinion that Mill’s is not about cheap energy for the consumer. Just for those who control it and obtain huge profits. Lucky for the consumer, There will be more then 1 player in town providing competition.

  • artefact

    “It pays for itself in about 10 days” (1:41:50)
    for the reseller but not for me I guess. But I’m ok with 20 days.

    • Omega Z

      Yesss, Manufactures of the parts cost he rattled off are going, Hey, Mills found a labor source that are actually negative cost in nature.

      From watching several video’s, I’m of the opinion that Mill’s is not about cheap energy for the consumer. Just for those who control it and obtain huge profits. Lucky for the consumer, There will be more then 1 player in town providing competition.

  • Curbina

    I’d be much more impressed by a good technical report with clear methodology and data. The visual demos are meaningless without data to crunch.

    • Bob Greenyer

      A good LED array would look as bright depending on the Video camera setting.

      • Curbina

        Exactly, and tha’ts why my gut answer to all BLP videos has been like “Wow, Sparks… Duh”.

  • Curbina

    I’d be much more impressed by a good technical report with clear methodology and data. The visual demos are meaningless without data to crunch.

    • Bob Greenyer

      A good LED array would look as bright depending on the Video camera setting.

      • Curbina

        Exactly, and tha’ts why my gut answer to all BLP videos has been like “Wow, Sparks… Duh”.

  • This video explains a fair bit about the delays due to engineering challenges and I’m not as skeptical after watching it as I was before. It looks like there might be something there there.

  • US_Citizen71

    Question for anyone who has watched the whole thing: Has BrLP closed the loop yet?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Nope

      • Omega Z

        AND, US owes you a thank you for watching that in entirety. 30 minutes would have sufficed, I want my other 1.5 hours back… 🙂

        • I was pleased to see you can watch it on 1.5x speed. Thanks youtube!

          • Omega Z

            At 2x he sounds like the chipmunks.
            However, I was on my other computer that didn’t allow that. I’m going to upgrade the browser when I get to it. In that respect, I’m slower then Rossi. But really, I intend to get to it. 🙂

      • US_Citizen71

        Thank you!

        • Omega Z

          Twas a long 2 hours. I think I watched it all, but I can’t be certain. I think I recall hearing some snoring and I’m home alone. Maybe it was the dog. 🙂

  • Gerard McEk

    I am still sceptical. I will start to believe if Mills shows he can actualiteit produce continuous excess power. I have the feeling that Andrea is further down the road with E-cat X, but both have to prove it publicly.

  • Gerard McEk

    I am still sceptical. I will start to believe if Mills shows he can actualiteit produce continuous excess power. I have the feeling that Andrea is further down the road with E-cat X, but both have to prove it publicly.

  • optiongeek

    To all the doubters – consider the audience that attended the demo. To my eyes and ears, those looked like serious high-level industrial partners ready to commit resources in order to co-develop the subcomponents needed to make the final product. They asked questions that would only concern design engineers.
    Based on my reading of Mills and his go-to-market strategy, I don’t think we’re going see any more “testing” or demos showing the path to over-unity. I think the next thing we’re going to see are pre-launch commercial units being shipped to market in about a year.

    • Omega Z

      Actually, Mill’s indicated there would be additional seminars such as this one.

    • Fyodor

      “whoa there were people in suits in the YouTube video. He must have a magical infinite power source!”

    • Omega Z

      Those in attendance are potential investors. They are there only for the seminar. Whether they become involved is still open.

  • Omega Z

    Right from the start, Randy needs to lose that Snake Oil sales pitch.

    You have a car, making $250 payments, powered by his BrLP device, making $10,000 a month feeding into the grid, yada yada,… Nonsense.

    This feels so much like, you signup 10 people that signup 10 people that, And you draw commission from all these people nonsense.

    He also over simplifies the car adaption. Car design is not simple. There is structural integrity, balance, weight distribution and center of gravity involved among other issues.

    He sees yanking out the battery & drop in the Suncell. Electric cars are designed around the battery being a major component of structural integrity. This is done due to the weight of batteries. Yanking them out causes structural integrity loss.

    Similar issues will come into play with all vehicles. Thus, they will need designed for the purpose of the Suncell. This takes years along with many safety tests, regulations and many other hurdles to overcome.

    Mills should focus on getting his technology working and leave it to others more skilled to bring it to market. He tends to mispeak when he leaves his element.

    An example is the energy is so cheap you just dump the waste heat. Yeah, a 1000 cars in a parking garage. All the same color inside out. A burnt orange… A good reason to invest in the ability to ramp this energy up & down I think…

    Another issue is PV’s convert a limited band of light to electricity. So even with 100% conversion efficiency, the majority of energy is lost. So I was interested when he “Mentioned” Blue ray technology being explored. This is something I’ve posted about before. Blue ray technology uses multiple colors of filters capable of multiple layers of data over data. Adapted to PV’s(of different band widths layered), a much larger spectrum could be converted to electricity.

    Anyway, It appears BrLP has advanced, but I still think the timeline will slid some more. Additional engineering issues will arise. Over optimism seems to be the norm in the LENR field.

  • Omega Z

    Right from the start, Randy needs to lose that Snake Oil sales pitch.

    You have a car, making $250 payments, powered by his BrLP device, making $10,000 a month feeding into the grid, yada yada,… Nonsense.

    This feels so much like, you signup 10 people that signup 10 people that, And you draw commission from all these people nonsense.

    He also over simplifies the car adaption. Car design is not simple. There is structural integrity, balance, weight distribution and center of gravity involved among other issues.

    He sees yanking out the battery & drop in the Suncell. Electric cars are designed around the battery being a major component of structural integrity. This is done due to the weight of batteries. Yanking them out causes structural integrity loss.

    Similar issues will come into play with all vehicles. Thus, they will need designed for the purpose of the Suncell. This takes years along with many safety tests, regulations and many other hurdles to overcome.

    Mills should focus on getting his technology working and leave it to others more skilled to bring it to market. He tends to mispeak when he leaves his element.

    An example is the energy is so cheap you just dump the waste heat. Yeah, a 1000 cars in a parking garage. All the same color inside out. A burnt orange… A good reason to invest in the ability to ramp this energy up & down I think…

    Another issue is PV’s convert a limited band of light to electricity. So even with 100% conversion efficiency, the majority of energy is lost. So I was interested when he “Mentioned” Blue ray technology being explored. This is something I’ve posted about before. Blue ray technology uses multiple colors of filters capable of multiple layers of data over data. Adapted to PV’s(of different band widths layered), a much larger spectrum could be converted to electricity.

    Anyway, It appears BrLP has advanced, but I still think the timeline will slid some more. Additional engineering issues will arise. Over optimism seems to be the norm in the LENR field.

    • Gryphon

      Regarding the $10k/month income from selling electricity, that is complete nonsense. If this does what he claims and proliferates as fast as he seems to think it will, no one with any sense will pay that kind of money for something which is so readily available.

      • Omega Z

        Agreed, That’s why I call it the Snake Oil sales pitch. I’m also certain it will proliferate much slower then he implies. His view is that it will proliferate fast due to economics. It is those same economics that will slow it down.

        • David Lund

          You can’t have it both ways either it will be adopted quickly and reduce costs or it will be adopted slowly and prices will be high but not both.

          • Omega Z

            You can mass produce a product and obtain economy of scale, yet still take decades to saturate the market.

            That said, prices will be determined by the market which involves many variables. The 1st products regardless will be expensive. There will be huge startup costs to recover and financing to repay.

            Beyond that, adaptation depends on the consumers ability to pay. At present, most of them can ill afford to take on new debt if at all. Add to that, most of the nations of the world & corporations are all in the same boat.

            Perhaps, Rossi & Mill’s technology will be handy to rebuild the world economy after the fall.

    • Haven’t watched the video yet but the SunCell requires 5 MW of electrical input energy to operate. Definitely not feasible in a car.

      • Omega Z

        Where did you obtain the 5MW input. Do you perhaps mean Joules.

        No Offense, but you should watch the video.
        He has made major changes to the setup. The reaction is now initiated by 4 capacitors. The welder is no longer used. The input is no longer continuous, but spark ignited by the capacitors…

        That said, There are many legitimate engineering issues to overcome.
        There is a tendency to over “simplithink” the issues. It will take many years to incorporate this technology into transportation.

  • Jonnyb

    I would love to believe this works but somehow? Better than the wielder thing, just.

  • Bob Greenyer

    My personal use for a simplified version of this would be in permaculture in cool climates / islands – that is my farming heritage showing.

    1. The unwanted heat could be used to desalinate water for the crops/plants and heating the growing house that could be housed underground.

    2. No solar panels needed – just put a reflector on the ceiling and leave the light re-emitter facing the roof.

    This would allow growing of crops underground, 24/7 in cold climates, in locations near sea water with no natural fresh water. No need for expensive solar cells on the sun-cell other than those necessary to produce control power.

    Right now, old slate mines in Wales come to mind.

    • Roberto Siquieros

      Maybe in the not too distant future the Centre for Alternative Technology will be testing them.
      Testing and demonstrating new kit was their mission from the start.

    • You can grow lettuce and other low calorie vegetables indoors, but not corn and soybeans in the mass quantities we need to survive. The grains are the calorie engine that keeps our human motors running, not salad vegetables that are easily grown under LED lights.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Iceland is Europe’s biggest Banana grower – they do it using heat from Hydrothermal and growing lights driven by electricity generated cheaply from HydroThermal and HydroElec.

        Bananas are high calorie.

        • And how much does each banana cost? All I am saying is that the US runs on vast amounts of grain that cannot be produced under artificial lighting or hydroponically. Boutique fruits and salad vegetables work. Grains do not because you need so much.

          • Bob Greenyer

            you are right

  • Bob Greenyer

    My personal use for a simplified version of this would be in permaculture in cool climates / islands – that is my farming heritage showing.

    1. The unwanted heat could be used to desalinate water for the crops/plants and heating the growing house that could be housed underground.

    2. No solar panels needed – just put a reflector on the ceiling and leave the light re-emitter facing the roof.

    This would allow growing of crops underground, 24/7 in cold climates, in locations near sea water with no natural fresh water. No need for expensive solar cells on the sun-cell other than those necessary to produce control power.

    Right now, old slate mines in Wales come to mind.

    • Roberto Siquieros

      Maybe in the not too distant future the Centre for Alternative Technology will be testing them.
      Testing and demonstrating new kit was their mission from the start.

    • You can grow lettuce and other low calorie vegetables indoors, but not corn and soybeans in the mass quantities we need to survive. The grains are the calorie engine that keeps our human motors running, not salad vegetables that are easily grown under LED lights.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Iceland is Europe’s biggest Banana grower – they do it using heat from Hydrothermal and growing lights driven by electricity generated cheaply from HydroThermal and HydroElec.

        Bananas are high calorie.

        I see this technology, if real, as suitable and far simpler to implement.

        • And how much does each banana cost? All I am saying is that the US runs on vast amounts of grain that cannot be produced under artificial lighting or hydroponically. Boutique fruits and salad vegetables work. Grains do not because you need so much.

          • Bob Greenyer

            you are right

  • My view and a little Mill’s history, we might finally agree – it is hydrino cooled fusion http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2016/02/04/did-technology-to-end-the-fossil-fuel-age-just-become-available/

  • Bob Greenyer

    The engineering looks well done – and I could not easily pick holes in the things he said.

  • Omega Z

    Actually, Mill’s indicated there would be additional seminars such as this one.

  • Private Citizen

    Gonna have to self-loop that thing or put it in a car and drive cross country before i buy in, personally. Cartoons, technobabble and promises are nice, but not convincing.

  • Private Citizen

    Gonna have to self-loop that thing or put it in a car and drive cross country before i buy in, personally. Cartoons, technobabble and promises are nice, but not convincing.

  • WayneM

    I don’t know why I keep hoping Mills is going to deliver.

    I have been reading about Mills when he first appeared in Usenet news groups 20 years ago. His ‘just around the corner’ tech-speak was so appealing that a hydrino study group was formed that Mills would often join in. As the internet morphed, so did Mills.

    Mills would talk about a product that was going to revolutionize energy for a while, then you would never hear about it again. Later he would start talking about a newer invention that was close to commercialization; and so on. Yep, what happened to the other ones Randall? So began a series of ‘rinse and repeat’. Fast forward to the present.

    i remember listening to a podcast when the interviewer asked Mills about his earlier hydrino inventions. I was expecting Mills to side step the question, but was surprised when Mills honestly stated that the “power density” was not there. Props to Randall.

    But it’s déjà vu all over again.

    After 115 million dollars (yes, that’s right) spent, Mills peeks his head out from yet another disappearing act. Apparently Randall’s SunCell is not powerful enough to cast his shadow, so you’ll have to wait another 11 months until 2017.

    Right.

    • Did you watch the great Bernard Madoff movie last night on ABC? The second half is tonight at 8PM.

    • mike wolf

      Mills was a multi millionaire When he decide to pursue the Ponns and Fleicshmann experiment. You can see if you had been following them, where they went from their original idea. There is a fusion route that is being funded with millions of dollars per year, and they MAY have something in 15 to 25 years.

      This is for real, I still see some engineering problems they may have. Mills is brilliant, pun not intended. But if he hadn’t had systematic rejection of his theory. There would have been engineering specialists with a variety of ways to extract the energy from his, I wouldn’t call it invention, but his discovery of this energy source.

      That light is intense and real. Mills has a few other inventions, and I believe in him. I also sensed has was a little guilty looking when he said 2017. Like he wished it were ready. I suspect he is even underestimating the actual manufacturing date. This new way seems volatile and I have a feeling there could be complications. But it is what he says it is.

      • Roland

        I’m not particularly surprised at the rate at which the reaction chewed up the various mechanical based schemes to ignite the solid fuel; the current design, especially the EM fuel handling and the blackbody radiation method of feeding the PV, strikes me as a very large step forward in meeting the engineering challenges.

        As you note, a year goes by with remarkable rapidity in these type of endeavours.

    • Cham

      Exactly. Mills founded Thermacore in 1991.

      Also, little known fact but in 1988 before Thermacore/BLP Mills had claimed to find a treatment for cancer using Mossbauer radiation. His paper was immediately debunked, but Mills moved on to a far more lucrative idea.

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2462674/

  • Did you watch the great Bernard Madoff movie last night on ABC? The second half is tonight at 8PM.

  • Job001

    So, let’stand check some numbers: One months revenue at $0.15/KwHr x 30dayx24h/dayrx250Kw=$27,000, OK looks good. I think I’ll take a cab and let it run!
    That brings up the point that early adopters will do very well, so it may be tough out bidding utilities. Likely the big bidders will buy out manufacturing capacity.
    How likely is all this? Mill”s has got the goods and research and engineering funds. His science works from many unbiased perspectives. I like the spectroscopic research, right on! Don’t bet big against him!

    • If the output is similar in spectrum to sunlight, would not they all get sunburned during testing? I did not watch the entire presentation. Did they talk about UV?

      • optiongeek

        at 1000+ sun equivalent I would hope they are taking extreme caution against exposure to any radiation. Sounds like skin cancer waiting to happen. During normal operation the device will be entirely enclosed I’m sure.

      • Job001

        Exceptionally intense UV converts into a blackbody spectrum by the mechanisms noted in the report, silver 3500K plasma and a titanium cover. Yes, closeup one would get sunburnt as I have from an unshielded welding torch. They know what they have and have modified the spectrum to get what is needed by the solar cells. Mills noted they are getting about 38% efficiency.

        • The demo supposed to be taking place in an adjacent room was open, i.e., no tungsten dome to convert light/NUV/UV to black body radiation, and the technicians’ only protection seemed to be welding goggles and lab coats.

          At the energy levels claimed (‘millions of Watts’), unprotected skin would be UV burned in seconds and anything else organic in line of sight and within a few metres would melt or catch fire after a short period of exposure.

          • Job001

            Nah, one can even hear the low frequency the demo was run at!

          • the device was in a glove box though right? UV blockage from the window in the glove box plus goggles may be sufficient protection. i dunno

  • enantiomer2000

    Interesting. If they charge $.10/kwh, I wonder how that would compare to solar rooftop installations? Lifetime costs for rooftop PV today is about $.12/kwh and dropping. Once BrLP releases their tech, it might make sense to install both because rooftop solar prices could actually be lower than SunCells.

    • Job001

      Mill’s mentioned and his report indicates $0.01/KwHr. Wind is down to $0.024/KwHr so the SunCells should be competitive. The $0.15/KwHr number is about my local rate. One would not gain by having two facilities that produce such cheap energy. One would go all electric and not need to economize because the marginal cost of electricity would be negligible after capital and maintenance relatively fixed costs.

      • enantiomer2000

        The business section of the video says rates from $.05/kwh to $.10/kwh.

        • Roland

          As the realizable price for currently selling power into the grid and emphatically not the cost of electricity produced by the a Sun Cell.

          • enantiomer2000

            Randy Mills has confirmed that they will charge their customers $.05/kwh for all applications. A bit more expensive than the original $.01/kwh unfortunately.

  • Anon2012_2014

    Someone help me out — did he actually run the demo in real-time in this room full of investors, or was it a canned demonstration carried out beforehand?

    • Winebuff67

      Anon, the test was run off site from the investors but we’re led to believe it was in an adjacent room…..F9

  • Anon2012_2014

    Someone help me out — did he actually run the demo in real-time in this room full of investors, or was it a canned demonstration carried out beforehand?

    (I skipped around to the middle where they show the sparking on a computer monitor and then zoom to full screen. I don’t believe that experiment is running in the room with these people. It looks more like a lecture from a powerpoint deck to me.)

    • Winebuff67

      Anon, the test was run off site from the investors but we’re led to believe it was in an adjacent room…..F9

  • Fyodor

    Can someone who watched this tell me if they actually got something to run for any period of time which produced excess power? Like even taking all of their present claims at face value did they actually even make specific claims about time run or power generated? Or was it more of ” here are some flashes of light and power points, now give us your money”

    • His device creates a low voltage arc through silver vapour in the presence of hydrogen or water vapour – but that is probably possible in a far simpler way by simply creating an arc between silver electrodes in a water vapour atmosphere. In fact, whether or not the presence of hydrogen or water vapour makes any difference was not demonstrated (but cutting off the supply) so all we have is some bright light and a lot of expensive silver oxide smoke. The rest is essentially ‘Mills says’.

      There was no evidence at all of energy gain, although admittedly my attention wandered quite a bit as Mills glibly minimised engineering problems or made huge claims that were not justified by what could be seen.

      The engineering is apparently considerably advanced from the arc welder ‘popper’, although the welder coils are probably still there under the bench, but without any measurements of either electrical power in or light energy out, the whole thing is essentially meaningless.

      “Here are some flashes of light and power points, now give us your money” seems to summarise it quite nicely.

  • Fyodor

    Can someone who watched this tell me if they actually got something to run for any period of time which produced excess power? Like even taking all of their present claims at face value did they actually even make specific claims about time run or power generated? Or was it more of ” here are some flashes of light and power points, now give us your money”

    • optiongeek

      There was no discussion regarding funding. I doubt he’ll need anymore.

    • His device creates a low voltage arc through silver vapour in the presence of hydrogen or water vapour – but that is probably possible in a far simpler way by simply creating an arc between silver electrodes in a water vapour atmosphere. In fact, whether or not the presence of hydrogen or water vapour makes any difference was not demonstrated (by cutting off the supply) so all we have is some bright light and a lot of expensive silver oxide smoke. The rest is essentially ‘Mills says’.

      There was no evidence at all of energy gain, although admittedly my attention wandered quite a bit as Mills glibly minimised engineering problems or made huge claims that were not justified by what could be seen, so I may have missed something.

      The engineering is apparently considerably advanced from the arc welder ‘popper’, although the welder coils are probably still there under the bench, but without any measurements of either electrical power in or light energy out, the whole thing is essentially meaningless.

      “Here are some flashes of light and power points, now give us your money” seems to summarise it quite nicely.

  • David Taylor-Fuller

    So I am happy I with held judgement till I watched the video. I was very much ready to write off BLP. But after watching the video (skipped the initial part of the deck presentation) it definately looks like they have made some progress. at the very least they have ditched the idea of trying to directly drive the cpv from the light of the reaction. From just watching the original presentation it was obvious they would have had a lot of problems trying ot get that to work. The current design instead uses the light from the reaction as a heat source that is intended to heat up a tungsten or carbon dome which will then emit black body light in the visible spectrum to the CPV’s. This alone solves the biggest problem I saw with the original presentation, which was splatter caking on the then proposed transparent dome. In addition they have ditched the rollers and have built a mostly solid state system. the pump is electro magnetic and the electrode is made from tungsten. He was constantly referring to the light bulb in the demo and from what I understand it looks like an apt comparison.

    Now as for actually delivering on promises. Still not sure if he will be able to. Though I dont think it matters. He is talking about putting out a product in a year or two. His path to market given the optimized design is to focus on creating an efficient light bulb and partner with CPV manufacturers to cover the tungsten/carbon dome with cpv’s. The only outlandish thing about the demo remains to be whether or not the reaction powering his light bulb is as energetic as he promises. But the thing I like is that it will be pretty easy to tell if it isn’t. That said, none of the demos showed the tungsten/carbon dome being heated by the reaction and emitting black body radiation. So I would ding BLP for that.

    • Omega Z

      The Dome will also emit a stable light rather then the flickering seen in the previous demo. This in itself would solve a lot of problems.

      This is beginning to look more like the spark plug LENR.
      Was that Brillouin energy or DGT.

    • mike wolf

      Man you see those parts on the table? That haven’t even integrated yet. I feel for them. They are really trying fruitlessly to get this thing engineered. As brilliant as Mills is, he could use another dozen of the best engineers to maximize size and efficiency.

  • David Taylor-Fuller

    So I am happy I with held judgement till I watched the video. I was very much ready to write off BLP. But after watching the video (skipped the initial part of the deck presentation) it definately looks like they have made some progress. at the very least they have ditched the idea of trying to directly drive the cpv from the light of the reaction. From just watching the original presentation it was obvious they would have had a lot of problems trying ot get that to work. The current design instead uses the light from the reaction as a heat source that is intended to heat up a tungsten or carbon dome which will then emit black body light in the visible spectrum to the CPV’s. This alone solves the biggest problem I saw with the original presentation, which was splatter caking on the then proposed transparent dome. In addition they have ditched the rollers and have built a mostly solid state system. the pump is electro magnetic and the electrode is made from tungsten. He was constantly referring to the light bulb in the demo and from what I understand it looks like an apt comparison.

    Now as for actually delivering on promises. Still not sure if he will be able to. Though I dont think it matters. He is talking about putting out a product in a year or two. His path to market given the optimized design is to focus on creating an efficient light bulb and partner with CPV manufacturers to cover the tungsten/carbon dome with cpv’s. The only outlandish thing about the demo remains to be whether or not the reaction powering his light bulb is as energetic as he promises. But the thing I like is that it will be pretty easy to tell if it isn’t. That said, none of the demos showed the tungsten/carbon dome being heated by the reaction and emitting black body radiation. So I would ding BLP for that.

    • Omega Z

      The Dome will also emit a stable light rather then the flickering seen in the previous demo. This in itself would solve a lot of problems.

      This is beginning to look more like the spark plug LENR.
      Was that Brillouin energy or DGT.

    • DrD

      I’m impressed — wish I was on the development team.
      On the downside he seems to overlook some issues.
      For one, it seemed to take a good 20 minutes or more to heat up the silver so forget jumping into the car for a 2 minute trip to the shops — a vision of an old steam car came to mind. I suppose the fuels free so maybe it’s just left running, feeding into the grid.
      Controlling the output by dumping energy? At first I imagined no accelerator pedal, just a brake. Ok, that’s a bit extreme – there are more elegant ways of dumping power.
      Civil aircraft? I wonder if he underestimates the challenge in getting it approved?
      Then there’s the problem that the current version needs to be maintained vertical.
      BUT is there excess energy? That’s the big question and no proof as far as I can tell.
      On the positive side, I suppose efficiency isn’t a big issue – if the fuel’s free and it’s electrical output is as high as he claims then it doesn’t really need a COP of 6, in fact just slightly > 1 would be viable.

      So I wish them well and hope to see something on the market, the sooner the better, but 2017?

    • mike wolf

      Man you see those parts on the table? That haven’t even integrated yet. I feel for them. They are really trying fruitlessly to get this thing engineered. As brilliant as Mills is, he could use another dozen of the best engineers to maximize size and efficiency.

  • Omega Z

    At 2x he sounds like the chipmunks.
    However, I was on my other computer that didn’t allow that. I’m going to upgrade the browser when I get to it. In that respect, I’m slower then Rossi. But really, I intend to get to it. 🙂

  • georgehants

    Is Defkalion still working quietly or are they now defunct.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    I guess I don’t get it. They go through this elaborate research to get “light”, but do not take it one easy step and make electricity from solar cells? Do they really expect us to believe the experiment they showed is happening live behind the screen? There is just a lot of showmanship going on, for what reason?

    • tlp

      Remember it was recorded in front of “live” audience. Maybe you didn’t watch the beginning where all these were explained?

      Safety is easy, this is not nuclear.

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        Hi Tip, ran the intro again he said “they (running the experiment) are behind the screen” so the live audience would not have to wear safety glasses. Safety as in UL certification.

        • tlp

          Same situation if you are trying to look directly at sun. Some heavy filttering is needed. The operator had welders glasses on.
          The final product is closed, so not a safety problem anymore.

    • Omega Z

      You can mass produce a product and obtain economy of scale, yet still take decades to saturate the market.

      That said, prices will be determined by the market which involves many variables. The 1st products regardless will be expensive. There will be huge startup costs to recover and financing to repay.

      Beyond that, adaptation depends on the consumers ability to pay. At present, most of them can ill afford to take on new debt if at all. Add to that, most of the nations of the world & corporations are all in the same boat.

      Perhaps, Rossi & Mill’s technology will be handy to rebuild the world economy after the fall.

    • Private Citizen

      > Bernie Koppenhofer: They go through this elaborate research to get “light”, but do not
      take it one easy step and make electricity from solar cells?

      Had the same question myself.

      Good discussion of both sides in this entire comments body. People here have more rationality than faith after all, at least when the topic isn’t Rossi.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    I guess I don’t get it. They go through this elaborate research to get “light”, but do not take it one easy step and make electricity from solar cells? Do they really expect us to believe the experiment they showed is happening live behind the screen? There is just a lot of showmanship going on, for what reason? No one asked about safety, who, when, how long for certification?

    • tlp

      Remember it was recorded in front of “live” audience. Maybe you didn’t watch the beginning where all these were explained?

      Safety is easy, this is not nuclear.

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        Hi Tip, ran the intro again he said “they (running the experiment) are behind the screen” so the live audience would not have to wear safety glasses. Safety as in UL certification, who does it when, how long?

        • tlp

          Same situation if you are trying to look directly at sun. Some heavy filttering is needed. The operator had welders glasses on.
          The final product is closed, so not a safety problem anymore.

    • Private Citizen

      > Bernie Koppenhofer: They go through this elaborate research to get “light”, but do not
      take it one easy step and make electricity from solar cells?

      Had the same question myself.

      Good discussion of both sides in this entire comments body. People here have more rationality than faith after all, at least when the topic isn’t Rossi.

  • Omega Z

    Where did you obtain the 5MW input. Do you perhaps mean Joules.

    No Offense, but you should watch the video.
    He has made major changes to the setup. The reaction is now initiated by 4 capacitors. The welder is no longer used. The input is no longer continuous, but spark ignited by the capacitors…

    That said, There are many legitimate engineering issues to overcome.
    There is a tendency to over “simplithink” the issues. It will take many years to incorporate this technology into transportation.

  • Omega Z

    Those in attendance are potential investors. They are there only for the seminar. Whether they become involved is still open.

  • Fyodor

    I thought that a lot of his answers were kind of evasive, though I can’t tell whether it was intentional. After he said that they hadn’t closed the loop someone asked a question about energy balance and he wouldn’t give any specifics. Someone asked how long it could run now and he just gave speculative answers about how the pumps could probably run for a long time.

    He also said that he doesn’t expect any trouble getting patents, but pretty much all of their patent applications on their hydrino energy generation have been rejected because the PTO doesn’t believe in hydrinos. Now maybe the patent office is under the thrall of mean mainstream scientists, but it’s pretty disingenuous for him to say that they won’t have trouble getting patents based on their previous experience.

    • tlp

      Energy ballance questions have been addressed earlier, it is no more an issue.
      Patents will get accepted once the SunCell is generating electricity.

    • Roland

      The last time I checked this, about 18 months ago, BLP had 46 hydrino related patents and counting, thanks in no small measure to having a VP of the most powerful Washington DC based patent and IP oriented legal firm on BLP’s board of directors.

      It’s fascinating how many comments on BLP could easily be resolved by a modicum of due diligence…

      • Fyodor

        They have a bunch of published applications filed, most of which have been rejected. They a handful of patents on things unrelated to power generation.

  • Hhiram

    I’m far more skeptical of Mills than Rossi. The promises and demos never arrive, no hint at third-party validation, it just reeks of scam. His stuff about hydrinos and dark matter is very poorly regarded by physicists too, and he is s medical doctor by training. 25 years and no convincing demo of over unity effect after tens of millions of dollars? tsss. I like the Orbo approach better: “we don’t know how it works, but it does – see for yourself.”

    Of course if BLP deliver a working product in 2017 as claimed then I will be thrilled, but I am highly doubtful.

    • mike wolf

      It’ funny that BLP seems to be taking the route orbo is taking by contracting out the production parts.

      Mills was talking about only leasing to licensed power distribution companies. Which really made me angry. But knowing now because of engineering issues making the units very big and heavy, I see why that were cornered into doing it that way. Since they abandoned that magneto type, the units will be much smaller and it seems the consumer route is possible now. And judging by his tone, it was the way he wanted to go before but couldn’t because of size and weight issues. I see stability issues now and may hold it up some more.

    • Roland

      You could try reading the extensive documentation on the website; including 6 different trials run by third party validators on an earlier iteration of the underlying technology of hydrino formation…

      • The last suncell was 5MW. The new suncell, according to Mills, requires 1200 amps by 10 volts. According to my poor mathematics that’s 12MW. I’ve watched the video now by the way.

        • optiongeek

          Uh – few things wrong with this post. First 10V x 1200A = 12kW. Second, I believe the numbers are actually more like 1V x 12kA but I don’t think those numbers are continuous. The numbers I’ve heard Mills use are 5J per ignition @ 1kHz or about 5kW.

          • You’re right, it’s KW not MW. My bad.

    • Anon2012_2014

      BLP has 3 third party validations from 2014. They have flaws as did the Lugano test. Might work but waiting for better validation, preferably in public rather than secret so that all possible weaknesses can be addressed.

      • psi2u2

        But aren’t the third party tests all at Rowan University, which has close ties to BLP?

        • Anon2012_2014

          My recollection is that one of the investigators was from Rowan, and the other two were from other institutions or were unaffiliated (although they did earn their graduate degrees from respectable programs).

          My recollect was also that some of the testing occurred right at BLP, while another occurred at the Rowan investigator’s lab.

          As far as close ties, I have no way of knowing if these people are 20 year friends with Mills/BLP; or if they were hired more recently. No doubt that BLP paid them a consulting fee, and perhaps some incentive stock.

          I think the flaws are not in the investigators or their financial connections, but in the test setups as documented in the reports themselves. I felt that the flaws were not insurmountable, but that they deserved followup to rule out the flawed components so as to feel more confident than the Lugano test (which I thought was not convincing).

  • mike wolf

    It’ funny that BLP seems to be taking the route orbo is taking by contracting out the production parts.

    Mills was talking about only leasing to licensed power distribution companies. Which really made me angry. But knowing now because of engineering issues making the units very big and heavy, I see why that were cornered into doing it that way. Since they abandoned that magneto type, the units will be much smaller and it seems the consumer route is possible now. And judging by his tone, it was the way he wanted to go before but couldn’t because of size and weight issues. I see stability issues now and may hold it up some more.

  • Roland

    You could try reading the extensive documentation on the website; including 6 different trials run by third party validators on an earlier iteration of the underlying technology of hydrino formation…

  • Roland

    As the realizable price for currently selling power into the grid and emphatically not the cost of electricity produced by the a Sun Cell.

  • optiongeek

    Uh – few things wrong with this post. First 10V x 1200A = 12kW. Second, I believe the numbers are actually more like 1V x 12kA but I don’t think those numbers are continuous. The numbers I’ve heard Mills use are 5J per ignition @ 1kHz or about 5kW.

  • Gerard McEk

    If Mill is lucky, he may be able to convert about 10% of the light into electricity with PV. The rest is heat. If he does indeed generate 200 kW continuously as he claims, most of the energy is being produced in evaporated silver that will condense at any cooler place inside the reactor chamber unless you heat the chamber up to 961 degrees C, where it liquifies and drops down again. I do not see the purpose of PV cells. The cloudy silver will make any efficient PV conversion impossible.
    Then the process itself. Would he really be able to prove that hydrinos are being made? All or most tests were in an atmosheric environment. Where is the water? This was again a very expensive show to prove nothing but a big spark and melting electrodes. I believe he is still many years from proving that his theories are correct.

    • tlp

      CPV efficiency is aroud 40%. Heat is very useful for the process, just need some control where is more and where is less heat.
      At startup some heating is needed, later just cooling.
      Hydrinos have been verified for years with multiple different kinds of experiments.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        There are indirect indications of the possible existence of hydrinos, but as far as I know no hydrino gas has been isolated yet. That would be the prerequisite for an unambiguous proof, IMHO.

        • Anon2012_2014

          I will take thermodynamic proof and let the physics/chemistry catch up. If he has a machine that makes much more energy than supplied as measured by conventional physics and chemistry, it works. I have read his website and I am waiting for proof.

    • Anon2012_2014

      BLP has 3 third party validations from 2014. They have flaws as did the Lugano test. Might work but waiting for better validation, preferably in public rather than secret so that all possible weaknesses can be addressed.

      • psi2u2

        But aren’t the third party tests all at Rowan University, which has close ties to BLP?

        • Anon2012_2014

          My recollection is that one of the investigators was from Rowan, and the other two were from other institutions or were unaffiliated (although they did earn their graduate degrees from respectable programs).

          My recollect was also that some of the testing occurred right at BLP, while another occurred at the Rowan investigator’s lab.

          As far as close ties, I have no way of knowing if these people are 20 year friends with Mills/BLP; or if they were hired more recently. No doubt that BLP paid them a consulting fee, and perhaps some incentive stock.

          I think the flaws are not in the investigators or their financial connections, but in the test setups as documented in the reports themselves. I felt that the flaws were not insurmountable, but that they deserved followup to rule out the flawed components so as to feel more confident than the Lugano test (which I thought was not convincing).

      • Mills is about a billion times more credible than Rossi and completely open. Any one with half a brain can follow what’s going on and double check basic science information on the internet.

        Mills also has the benefit of a sound theory, independent replication, serious financial backers and most of all the key metrics of power density, scaleability and low capital cost.

        My prediction is that we will see a working model in 2017 and a commercial model by 2018. There seems very little barrier to him moving forward quite quickly now.

  • Gerard McEk

    If Mill is lucky, he may be able to convert about 10% of the light into electricity with PV. The rest is heat. If he does indeed generate 200 kW continuously as he claims, most of the energy is being produced in evaporated silver that will condense at any cooler place inside the reactor chamber unless you heat the chamber up to 961 degrees C, where it liquifies and drops down again. I do not see the purpose of PV cells. The cloudy silver will make any efficient PV conversion impossible.
    Then the process itself. Would he really be able to prove that hydrinos are being made? All or most tests were in an atmosheric environment. Where is the water? This was again a very expensive show to prove nothing but a big spark and melting electrodes. I believe he is still many years from proving that his theories are correct.

    • tlp

      CPV efficiency is aroud 40%. Heat is very useful for the process, just need some control where is more and where is less heat.
      At startup some heating is needed, later just cooling.
      Hydrinos have been verified for years with multiple different kinds of experiments.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        There are indirect indications of the possible existence of hydrinos, but as far as I know no hydrino gas has been isolated yet. That would be the prerequisite for an unambiguous proof, IMHO.

        • Anon2012_2014

          I will take thermodynamic proof and let the physics/chemistry catch up. If he has a machine that makes much more energy than supplied as measured by conventional physics and chemistry, it works. I have read his website and I am waiting for proof.

    • Justin

      There is no need for a clear window from the reactor to the PV-Cell. The top of the reactor is covered with Tungsten. The tungsten will be heated to about 3500 F, if i remember correctly,

      So the “roof” of the reactor is made out of Tungsten and when this tungsten reaches 3500 F it sends out black body radiation.

      So it does not matter if the inside of the reactor is cloudy as hell, and it probably will be. Because of the heat the tungsten roof reaches it will emit light in the form of black body radiation and this light will be picked up by the PV panel that will sit some cm above, not in direct contact with the tungsten.

      The PVC will need a lot of cooling not to die, but that was easy.. or so the Man himself says.

  • optiongeek

    Seems like Ed Storms has something interesting to say about this demo:

    http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3683

    • When it comes to BLP, Ed Storms and Brian Ahern sound as divided as Trump and Bernie.

  • optiongeek

    Seems like Ed Storms has something interesting to say about this demo:

    http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3683

    • When it comes to BLP, Ed Storms and Brian Ahern sound as divided as Trump and Bernie.

  • pangoo

    First really interesting vid I’ve seen from BLP. Theory would be revolutionary if correct. Presentation could be better but doesn’t matter once they have the goods I suppose!

    It’s going to be really exciting watching the LENR scenario unfold too. Brings to mind this movie.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_of_Silicon_Valley

    All chasing the same thing but coming at the problem with different approaches. Would say Rossi might have the edge there as he seems to have a better understanding of the nanoscale engineering required. Could be wrong though!

  • Mills is about a billion times more credible than Rossi and completely open. Any one with half a brain can follow what’s going on and double check basic science information on the internet.

    Mills also has the benefit of a sound theory, independent replication, serious financial backers and most of all the key metrics of power density, scaleability and low capital cost.

    My prediction is that we will see a working model in 2017 and a commercial model by 2018. There seems very little barrier to him moving forward quite quickly now.

    • CBS

      I see BLP has a link for invitations for a June 2016 demonstration on its website. Hopefully further progress will be shown.