Interview with Andrew Hrischanovich (Nick Oseyko)

Nick Oseyko, a Ukrainian reader of ECW and an active LENR researcher met with Andrew Hrischanovich, lead researcher at the Laboratory of Experimental Physics in Ukraine on February 4, 2016, and sent me this report of an interview he conducted.

A lot of attention has been brought recently to Andrew Hrischanovich’s LENR experiments, described in details at his site , (English translation by Alan Smith here), as well at his Youtube channel. Due to his travel arrangements it was possible to meet him shortly in Kiev yesterday. Here is the story:

Andrew Hrischanovich, a middle aged man in dark coat meets me in the Mafia restaurant at Pechersk uphills. His handshake is strong and he speaks very openly with me, ignoring the fact that I am almost a stranger to him — we spoke over the phone just two or three times before the meeting.

We sit at a corner table. While looking through the menu, Andrew easy agrees with my idea of sharing his thoughts and experiences with the ECW audience. He asks me briefly about my background, but our conversation slips back into the LENR field very soon.

Thank you, Andrew, for your readiness to share your experiences. What brings you to Kiev tonight?

There is a innovations related conference in Kiev today. Besides the fact it could be interesting itself, some investors are going to attend.

Could you please tell what experiments you have been doing recently? What were the materials used? What were the results?

I can divide my activities into two main directions, let’s describe them as Rossi or say Rossi-Celani related replications, which were executed in Moscow, and my current research, which is not related at all to Rossi’s work.

From details in some of your videos I can conclude you have a nice lab in Moscow?

It is not mine. I have been working there for two and a half years. It was a well-funded project, dedicated to the search of new energy sources, including attempts of replications of Rossi works.

Are we speaking about E-Cat or Hot Cat?

I don’t think there is a big difference between them. In my opinion the tech behind both is mostly the same, only temperature modes are different.

You are saying this with great confidence. But it seems nobody knows what is going on inside E-Cat, as Rossi keeps his lips tight.

Of course I don’t know it for sure. But as you are also doing some experiments yourself, you would agree that quite a good understanding forms if you do dozens of tests.

Agree. So you think you know Rossi formula?

No, I cannot say so. But I think I know his secret catalyser now. I cannot name it, but my tests in nearest weeks will prove or disprove it.

Is this in your lab in Zaporozhie?

Yes. As the scope of Moscow project is over, and as it was very difficult to be detached from the family, and as commuting between Russia and Ukraine became more and more challenging recently, I took a decision to continue my tests at home, in my own lab in Zaporozhie.

Good to know. You have mentioned your family. Do you have kids?

Yes, I do. I have three kids.

Congratulations, that’s great. Coming back to your Rossi replications, what were the results? Was there the excess heat? If yes, what were the COP?

Well, almost all my tests were positive, with COP between 1,11 and 1,40. So the Rossi effect is real, not possible to think it is fake any more.

And what materials were used for the reactor and as fuel?

– There were several different designs, as shown in my videos. Materials were different too.

Let’s speak about the boiler you presented in your recent video. There was a great interest and many comments about it at LENR related sites.

If you mean the boiler apparatus, it was not pure Rossi approach. I would name it Rossi-Celani mix, as the Ni wire was used instead of Ni powder.

I see. What about hydrogen source? Was it usual lithium aluminium hydrid, as described in Rossi recent patent?

No, titanium hydrid was used instead. You know, it is easy to get it in Zaporozhie. Of course it is not available in each around-the-corner shop, but an interested person always can find it as there is a huge Titanium plant in Zaporozhie.

And what about design? Why there were three reactors in the boiler and not one?

It is easy, as the the boiler has three phase electric input. Each reactor is connected to its corresponding phase.

And how is each reactor is made?

Well, the fuel core is inside a ceramic pipe. The heater wire is wound around the ceramic pipe. And there is an outer quartz glass pipe to isolate the reactor from the water being heated.

Excellent, thanks a lot for the details. Do you have your own theory what is going inside the reactor?

No. You know, I am an experimentalist, not a theorist. If you have a working device which is stable and easy to replicate, the theory will follow. There are lot of people out there with some explanation of Rossi effect, all explanations are different. Even here in Ukraine there are some serious scientists who are working in the LENR field.

Yes, I think their names are well known to world LENR society. As you time is ending, could you say what inspires you in your research?

You may be surprised, but it is the old and well-known works of early 20th century.


Like Rutherford’s ones. Yes, his model of atom was simple, but some of his insights are very much related to LENR. More of it, I do think that nuclear physics had an unlucky fork around 1937 when all attention of people at power and all funding was aligned to creation of the bomb. If mankind was a bit more lucky, the Rossi effect could well be found about 50 years early than Fleischman and Pons did their famous press-conference.

Very interesting. I think our time is up. Thank you very much for your answers.

You are welcome.

We are already outside the restaurant. I give Andrew a short ride down Staronavodnitskaya street and we shake hands and say goodbye near the Vodafone building. I wish him good luck. While driving home I am thinking about the disruption the mankind is entering. In 10 or 20 years this will be quite a new planet.

  • Gerard McEk

    Thanks Nick. I hope Andrew will let us know if he has really found the secret mix of Andrea Rossi. It strikes me that he continues to find some ‘overunity’ energy while many western experimentors do not find anything at all. Any idea how long Andrew is doing these tests?

    • Omega Z

      Keep in mind that many western experimenters do obtain positive results when they honestly do the experiments with no preconceptions. Positive results are usually not found when they are biased due to their own line of research. Something more common due to research funding available in western nations.

  • clovis ray

    Hi, guys.
    Once again good job Alan,, and to nick as well, so Mr.Andrew Hrischanovich, thinks he knows the secret sauce, i hope he will share a video with ECW along with data, we can help him flush out most of the bugs , and verify his work as real.

    • LookMoo

      If you watch the YouTube videos you soon notice that the Russians tries to take a short-cut. No confidence building BS. They make the tests with a test configuration that allows them to move directly from basic test to the pre-prediction phase.

      I think they plans to win the race. They are in a hurry. They accepts a simpler design with a lower COP to reach that goal. Mr Rossi should watch his back.

      • Omega Z

        A low COP isn’t very valuable.
        You are using a high value energy(electricity) to create a low value energy(heat). This is why Rossi strives to reach a minimum COP>6.

        I think their rush is to just prove or disprove the effect is real and if it’s real, is it of a degree to be of beneficial use. There are repercussions to be addressed either way.

  • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

    A truly inspiring interview. Hope is rising, though the ride from the fossil to the LENR-driven economy looks, geopolitically, like it might be rough…

    • Loni Hull

      I agree.

      I’m not a classically trained scientist. I am a designer, inventor, and prototyper who wants to see LENR literally in my backyard or just down the street a few houses, serving the block.

      How difficult in practical terms is it to assemble the materials to build an eCat or Hot-Cat? Is it practical for a non-scientist to consider doing so at some point down the road? In other words, how “open-source” is this really going to be?

      • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

        I subscribe to your questions and your considerations.

      • Daniel Telfer

        MFMP. Could be of help to you. Bob Greenyer posts on this blog.

  • Axil Axil

    To my way of thinking, Nick Oseyko is producing LENR but not LENR+. At a COP = 1.4, Nick can generate Surface Plasmon Polaritons (SPP) but has not yet generated Hydrogen Rydberg Matter, which is the hosting, focusing, and amplification mechanism that takes the LENR reaction to the kilowatts level. Producing this metalize hydrogen needs a different skill set than does the generation of SPPs require. Fortunately, there is a specialty in chemistry that one can master, as Holmlid has, devoted to the production of metalized hydrogen in the Lab.

    • ecatworld

      Just to be clear, Axil: Nick Oseyko is the interviewer here — it is Andrew Hrischanovich who is reporting his research here.

      • Axil Axil

        Thanks. Corrections will be made

    • Zephir

      This is a nonsense, the COP isn’t related to LENR mechanism in any way.

      • Axil Axil

        When Rossi sinters his fuel in his fuel preprocessing steps, he makes his nickel powered able to better produce HRM. This process in vital to generated strong LENR activity. I will explain this latter in a future post.

        • Zephir

          You should rather address my objection, which is easy to understand.

          • Axil Axil

            LENR occurs in living things and inside the sun and planets. It is simplistic to consider such a wide ranging reaction to be limited to one strength level.

          • Zephir

            The LENR may be universal, why not – but how it falsifies my COP related objection? The absence of logics is what I’m missing in your posts often.

          • Axil Axil

            I believe that LENR is the reaction that powers the sun. This is high powered LENR. It is not the same as low powered LENR. To understand how high powered LENR works, you need to understand how the sun produces energy. This involves metalized hydrogen. To produce high powered LENR, we need to produce metallized hydrogen. Holmlid does this in his experiments and so does Rossi. Many LENR experiments produce only low powered LENR such as described in this thread. They don’t produce metallized hydrogen.

          • Axil Axil

            Liquid Metallic Hydrogen: A Building Block for the Liquid Sun


    • John Littlemist

      The HRM producing component has been described in Soininen’s patent application, which has been public since 30th May 2013:

      “The precursors for the catalyst enhancing the formation of Rydberg matter comprised 85 wt % iron oxide Fe2O3, 12 wt. % potassium hydroxide KOH and 3 wt % aluminum oxide Al2O3. The precursor mixture was heated to 400-450° C. in the presence of hydrogen gas to form Fe3O4:K2O,Al2O3. The calcined catalyst powder was then mechanically crushed to catalyst nanopowder that had particle size range of about 10-100 nm. About 2.0 g of the catalyst nanopowder was added to the Ni—BiFeO3 mixture and the powder mixture was placed to the reaction cartridge.”

  • HS61AF91

    what’s wrong with the ‘old flooded street’ name, anyway?