Orbo has Touched Down in the USA

I noted on the Orbo Update thread that I have finally been able to see the package tracking for the Orbo Ocube order I placed for testing. The package is currently in my state and I put a call in to the shipper who said that it might not get on the truck today, but it is guaranteed delivery by tomorrow. I had to pay customs duty to get the package released for shipping, and it may have been too late to get out for delivery today.

However as is often the case with Steorn there’s something of a twist in this story — which could actually turn out to be good news. I got an email from Steorn today informing me that my Ocube had inadvertently been shipped without the Li-ion battery in it. Someone had been doing some testing on my Ocube without the battery in it, and it had been placed in the wrong spot where it was picked up for shipping.

Steorn says they will ship me another complete unit right away for no extra cost and let me keep the first one for testing. So it is going to turn out that I will have two units — one with a battery and one without. I actually think this is great news, as we will be able to see how the Orbo pack works without the buffer battery — and also see how an ocube operates in regular operation.

It’s been 10 years since I first heard of Steorn and their Orbo technology, and it’s been a subject of great curiosity to me. If Steorn’s claims can be validated — that Orbo is an energy generation technology which can produce electricity from no apparent source, then I think we will have something extraordinary on our hands.

So needless to say I’m looking forward very much to getting started on the testing. I am very open to suggestions from readers here regarding testing ideas. And now with two units at our disposal it should be possible to do some interesting experiments.

  • Without battery is even better I think. One component less to cheat with.

    So you can measure what power (even in the micro amp range) is really coming from you ocube.
    Maybe you are able to connect a low power LED to it, to show continous power.

    When you will receive your ocube, also other buyers will receive it this week.

    But it is very odd that you of all people, who has a widely read blog reporting about it, get the “not working” ocube….

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Yes, it is much better. No need for waiting several months, no need to use ballpark figures to consider the energy content of the battery. I guess Sanjeev could be right with his hypothesis that they did that not as “inadvertently“ as they said. If so, they must be quite confident that their device will work as announced.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Great news Frank!

    • SG

      With two units now at your disposal, are you willing to open one of them up and risk voiding the warranty? Perhaps this could be done after a number of tests are performed first without dismantling, then dismantle and perform some additional observations and tests. I’m sure many are going to be curious about what is inside, even though we already have a general idea based on Steorn’s videos. It would just be nice to take apart one ourselves and see for ourselves.

      • ecatworld

        The one without a battery I will open up, yes.

        • Albert D. Kallal

          Well, this is great news if the unit
          without the battery produces continues power. Thus I don’t think you need to
          open up the unit except to verify that no battery is present.

          I have stated over and over – elimination
          of the battery for testing is an ideal test case.

          My spider sense suggests this is a bad unit that does not produce power.

          Since they are shipping out 1000+ units,it is surprising they “know” that YOUR particular unit has no battery that being shipped to you (I find this kind of strange – why ship it then?. How did this know what package it was? And yours out of 1000+ units had this “strange” mistake?).

          Regardless, the first question does the unit output continues power without a battery? – Indeed an ideal turn of events and ideal for testing!

          Regards,
          Albert D. Kallal
          Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • LilyLover

            If I were a modern assembler, I’d put battery # 908 in the unit # 908. Especially, knowing who Frank is, I’d ask my engineers to double check whether everything is alright. In this out of the ordinary extra care, the engineer happened to keep the battery # 908 on his monitor, to be discovered later.

            Thus they know – which unit. They must be confidant about the workings hence extra free shipment – nothing like free advertisement!! Plus, if they are EXTRA confidant, they’d also send the battery # 908 to make the other unit whole. Let’s see.

          • Albert D. Kallal

            I certainly accept that serial number,
            customer etc. for warranty and tracking are known.

            However, the fact that they know the
            battery is missing? Well, this suggests extra care – and is a bit perplexing as
            to why it shipped without one!

            As noted, while this is a bit suspicious,
            it still a good thing and CERTAINLY shows that Orbo being as open and willing
            as possible to deal with such issues.

            So at this point, you have to give Orbo folks real credit here! They certainly are taking their clothes and even their underwear off in front of everyone in public.

            Regards,
            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • hempenearth

            Knowing Steorn, the extra care that happened may have been between drinks, no offence intended.

          • Slad

            Shteorn

          • 🙂

      • mike wolf

        Our? what do you think you are the mouse in Frank’s pocket? hehe

        • SG

          I helped contribute to the purchase of the unit, so I consider it partly “our” experience. Of course, I claim no ownership interest, just happy to have been a part of the effort. I appreciate the fact that Frank has agreed to sacrifice his time to investigate and openly share his findings. None of us should underestimate the gumption that takes.

          • mike wolf

            Oh my gosh, I am sorry brother. I had no idea it was a joint purchase. I guess I should have realized it by your use of certain words. I am giddy with excitement, pestering all my loved ones who think there is no there there. So I guess I need to thank you to believe enough to support it and help bring it to us. Touche’.

        • LilyLover

          After so many years of camaraderie, even if you had said accidental “our”, Frank and all of us, would have let it sly. 🙂
          Sometimes, “our” is more loving than possessive.

      • I guess the electric circuit isn’t closed when the battery is missing.

        If so, Frank won’t have an alternative but to open it.

        • SG

          Perhaps, although they might have just connected the terminals to the USB PCB. If so, then plug a USB cable into the port and splice the ends onto an LED with a ~ 0.4 W load, and let the light shine for as long as it can.

    • Sanjeev

      Its its odd. But I guess he can make it working just by plugging in a battery like tlp said. (Assuming the other electronics to interface with the battery is still there)

      If Frank chooses to test only the “core” part, he will need some very sensitive instruments. This is a downside as well as a great opportunity. I hope some talented people will offer their services or instruments.

      • SG

        A basic multimeter available at most hardware stores should work fine. We are dealing with primarily DC with a fairly steady voltage and at least 0.4 W, well within the measuring sensitivity of a multimeter. Sure, it would be nice to hook a scope up to it and do some more detailed measurements, so if someone is willing to assist Frank in that, then all the better.

        • Sanjeev

          Not the voltage. Energy output. For which it must be loaded and both volts and amps must be measured. I’m not sure how tiny or big these values will be after loading it. I’m not sure (at this time) how much load it can sustain. We will know.

          • SG

            Right. But you can find affordable multimeters with a clamp / amp meter. Measure V and I. DC, so then do our trusty P = VI, and wallah, we know the power.

          • Sanjeev

            In this video SM shows that the orbo power cell has a voltage of 5V (the blue one)
            https://www.facebook.com/thebatteryisdead/videos/10153398806872672/

            So its large enough to measure. If you load it to max, which is 0.4W, the current should be 80mA, which is measurable too with ordinary meters. (As long as the voltage remains constant under the load). I guess that solves the problems with instruments in theory.

          • With 80mA it should be possible to power multiple microcontrollers like atmega328 without interruption.

        • Skip

          If you don’t want to open it right away, I’d suggest cutting up a USB cable to give you suitable connections for metering Volts and Milliamps into a suitable load (LED or bank of LEDs)

  • Without battery is even better I think. One component less to cheat with.

    So you can measure what power (even in the micro amp range) is really coming from the ocube.
    Maybe you are able to connect a low power LED to it, to show continous power.

    When you will receive your ocube, also other buyers will receive it this week.

    But it is very odd that you of all people, who has a widely read blog reporting about it, get the “not working” ocube….

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Yes, it is much better. No need for waiting several months, no need to use ballpark figures to consider the energy content of the battery. I guess Sanjeev could be right with his hypothesis that they did that not as “inadvertently“ as they said. If so, they must be quite confident that their device will work as announced.

    • Sanjeev

      Its its odd. But I guess he can make it working just by plugging in a battery like tlp said. (Assuming the other electronics to interface with the battery is still there)

      If Frank chooses to test only the “core” part, he will need some very sensitive instruments. This is a downside as well as a great opportunity. I hope some talented people will offer their services or instruments.

      • SG

        A basic multimeter available at most hardware stores should work fine. We are dealing with primarily DC with a fairly steady voltage and at least 0.4 W, well within the measuring sensitivity of a multimeter. Sure, it would be nice to hook a scope up to it and do some more detailed measurements, so if someone is willing to assist Frank in that, then all the better.

        • Sanjeev

          Not the voltage. Energy output. For which it must be loaded and both volts and amps must be measured. I’m not sure how tiny or big these values will be after loading it. I’m not sure (at this time) how much load it can sustain. We will know.

          • SG

            Right. But you can find affordable multimeters with a clamp / amp meter. Measure V and I. DC, so then do our trusty P = VI, and wallah, we know the power.

          • Sanjeev

            In this video SM shows that the orbo power cell has a voltage of 5V (the blue one)
            https://www.facebook.com/thebatteryisdead/videos/10153398806872672/

            So its large enough to measure. If you load it to max, which is 0.4W, the current should be 80mA, which is measurable too with ordinary meters. (As long as the voltage remains constant under the load). I guess that solves the problems with instruments in theory.

          • With 80mA it should be possible to power multiple microcontrollers like atmega328 without interruption.

            This would be a nice setup to show continuous power, by sending some messages via UART from it.

  • Sanjeev

    Would you like to do an unpacking video for us ?
    (Re-posting from the update page)
    Edit: Frank’s reply – Yes, I’ll do two, in fact!

  • Sanjeev

    Its unexpected that they’d ship a unit without Li battery. Very unlikely coincidence as I’m sure they know you are going to test it and have a good following here on ECW. Probably they WANT you to have two…
    Any positive reports from you are going to benefit them immensely.

    • mike wolf

      I don’t think we here have that much influence. Besides The guys here will be bickering for months, trying to convince the more skeptical people here it is something extraordinary. But maybe orbo did the missing battery to negate the problem shipping LI batteries?

      • SG

        > orbo did the missing battery to negate the problem shipping LI batteries

        That is plausible, although LI batteries can be shipped in cargo planes if the proper disclosure and labeling requirements are met. There were some rumors that the shipping company had held things up due to there being no proper classification for a “never-die” battery.

        We may never know the real reason for the delay unless Steorn choose to reveal that information. The important thing is that Frank will now have two units to fiddle with. Great news.

  • Sanjeev

    Its unexpected that they’d ship a unit without Li battery. Very unlikely coincidence as I’m sure they know you are going to test it and have a good following here on ECW. Probably they WANT you to have two…
    Any positive reports from you are going to benefit them immensely.

    • mike wolf

      I don’t think we here have that much influence. Besides The guys here will be bickering for months, trying to convince the more skeptical people here it is something extraordinary. But maybe orbo did the missing battery to negate the problem shipping LI batteries?

      • SG

        > orbo did the missing battery to negate the problem shipping LI batteries

        That is plausible, although LI batteries can be shipped in cargo planes if the proper disclosure and labeling requirements are met. There were some rumors that the shipping company had held things up due to there being no proper classification for a “never-die” battery.

        We may never know the real reason for the delay unless Steorn choose to reveal that information. The important thing is that Frank will now have two units to fiddle with. Great news.

  • tlp

    Could you ask the battery type and go buy it from local store?

    • Albert D. Kallal

      The VERY last thing you want is a battery in testing! The battery is a HUGE another area of millions of issues that have to be resolved. No batted = perfect device for testing. Since the working “metal” part is only about the size of a postage stamp – then as I stated over and over, put 100+ of these energy devices in a 2 x 2 inch cube – you have 40 watts for more easy.

      A battery is a COMPLEX chemical soup, and one that ONLY serves to confuse the workings of this device. Removal of chemical storage device’s from testing the output of the basic technology is a MUST do step.

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • Private Citizen

        Can you test the item without the battery? Add your own battery?

        Or have to wait until Steron ships the next unit to begin testing?

  • tlp

    Could you ask the battery type and go buy it from local store?

    • Albert D. Kallal

      The VERY last thing you want is a battery in testing! The battery is a HUGE another area of millions of issues that have to be resolved. No battery = perfect device for testing. Since the working “metal” part is only about the size of a postage stamp – then as I stated over and over, put 100+ of these energy devices in a 2 x 2 inch cube – you have 40 watts for output or more easy.

      A battery is a COMPLEX chemical soup, and one that ONLY serves to confuse the workings of this device. Removal of chemical storage device’s from testing the output of the basic technology is a MUST do step.

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • SD

    Very weird that they are sending you a whole other $1200 device rather than just the battery…

    • I guess all in all this device dosn’t cost more than $100 in manufacturing.

      So this are peanuts for them. Even more when this device turns out to be really working.

      • Jas

        Steorn have said the unit costs €500 to make. They also said that they need to make a large profit so they can pay for R+D for the next product.

    • Sanjeev

      And they are not asking for a return. Equally weird.
      Usually the faulty goods are to be returned to the supplier.

      • Albert D. Kallal

        The cost issue is moot – it is a “test” concept and the goal here is to get the unit out in peoples hands to prove the device. You can spend millions to develop a computer chip that only costs a few dollars to make. The only issue is does the device without the battery work – as in my other comments here is an ideal turn of events.

        • Sanjeev

          Not worried about the cost. I’m just sensing that this particular shipment is not an accident. May be I sound like a conspiracy nut 😉

        • SD

          Makes sense. Does show that the margins must be pretty high, which is promising for the future.

  • SG

    With two units potentially at your disposal (assuming they both are delivered), are you willing to open one of them up and risk voiding the warranty? Perhaps this could be done after a number of tests are performed first without dismantling, then dismantle and perform some additional observations and tests. I’m sure many are going to be curious about what is inside, even though we already have a general idea based on Steorn’s videos. It would just be nice to take apart one ourselves and see for ourselves.

    • Frank Acland

      The one without a battery I will open up, yes.

      • Albert D. Kallal

        Well, this is great news if the unit
        without the battery produces continues power. Thus I don’t think you need to
        open up the unit except to verify that no battery is present.

        I have stated over and over – elimination
        of the battery for testing is an ideal test case.

        My spider sense suggests this is a bad unit that does not produce power.

        Since they are shipping out 1000+ units,it is surprising they “know” that YOUR particular unit has no battery that being shipped to you (I find this kind of strange – why ship it then?. How did this know what package it was? And yours out of 1000+ units had this “strange” mistake?).

        Regardless, the first question does the unit output continues power without a battery? – Indeed an ideal turn of events and ideal for testing!

        And since it WAS TESTED and had SPEICAL attention, then if the unit does not work at all – we have a problem – so they gave it EXTRA special attention – it better work!

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

        • LilyLover

          If I were a modern assembler, I’d put battery # 908 in the unit # 908. Especially, knowing who Frank is, I’d ask my engineers to double check whether everything is alright. In this out of the ordinary extra care, the engineer happened to keep the battery # 908 on his monitor, to be discovered later.

          Thus they know – which unit. They must be confidant about the workings hence extra free shipment – nothing like free advertisement!! Plus, if they are EXTRA confidant, they’d also send the battery # 908 to make the other unit whole. Let’s see.

          • Albert D. Kallal

            I certainly accept that serial number,
            customer etc. for warranty and tracking are known.

            However, the fact that they know the
            battery is missing? Well, this suggests extra care – and is a bit perplexing as
            to why it shipped without one!

            As noted, while this is a bit suspicious,
            it still a good thing and CERTAINLY shows that Orbo being as open and willing
            as possible to deal with such issues.

            So at this point, you have to give Orbo folks real credit here! They certainly are taking their clothes and even their underwear off in front of everyone in public.

            Regards,
            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • hempenearth

            Knowing Steorn, the extra care that happened may have been between drinks, no offence intended.

          • Slad

            Shteorn

        • power

          More like “Oops, I mean we forgot the generator, not the battery. Silly me!”

    • mike wolf

      Our? what do you think you are the mouse in Frank’s pocket? hehe

      • SG

        I helped contribute to the purchase of the unit, so I consider it partly “our” experience. Of course, I claim no ownership interest, just happy to have been a part of the effort. I appreciate the fact that Frank has agreed to sacrifice his time to investigate and openly share his findings. None of us should underestimate the gumption that takes.

        • mike wolf

          Oh my gosh, I am sorry brother. I had no idea it was a joint purchase. I guess I should have realized it by your use of certain words. I am giddy with excitement, pestering all my loved ones who think there is no there there. So I guess I need to thank you to believe enough to support it and help bring it to us. Touche’.

      • LilyLover

        After so many years of camaraderie, even if you had said accidental “our”, Frank and all of us, would have let it sly. 🙂
        Sometimes, “our” is more loving than possessive.

    • I guess the electric circuit isn’t closed when the battery is missing.

      If so, Frank won’t have an alternative but to open it.

      • SG

        Perhaps, although they might have just connected the terminals to the USB PCB. If so, then plug a USB cable into the port and splice the ends onto an LED with a ~ 0.4 W load, and let the light shine for as long as it can.

  • Skip

    If you don’t want to open it right away, I’d suggest cutting up a USB cable to give you suitable connections for metering Volts and Milliamps into a suitable load (LED or bank of LEDs)
    Edit: Oops, looks like SG beat me by 4 milliseconds

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Provided that preliminary tests will be successful, it could be an idea to leave one device to a university institute that could perform measurements with state-of-the-art instrumentation and methods. Professor Hagelstein from MIT might be a suitable addressee, for example.

    • LilyLover

      On today’s Monkey-New-Year, the University, looking at the monkey-face of the Orbo, will simply call it a monkey-business.

    • SG

      Agreed this would be a good idea, but only after we as a community have had a good long time to evaluate it ourselves. Then, the selection of the university / professor would have to be carefully made. Professor Hagelstein would be acceptable in my opinion. But, only under the strict understanding that all findings must be made public with the professor’s and university’s names attached. The latter requirement will likely cause most professors / universities to shy away.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Provided that preliminary tests will be successful, it could be an idea to leave one device to a university institute that could perform measurements with state-of-the-art instrumentation and methods. Professor Hagelstein from MIT might be a suitable addressee, for example.

    • LilyLover

      On today’s Monkey-New-Year, the University, looking at the monkey-face of the Orbo, will simply call it a monkey-business.

    • SG

      Agreed this would be a good idea, but only after we as a community have had a good long time to evaluate it ourselves. Then, the selection of the university / professor would have to be carefully made. Professor Hagelstein would be acceptable in my opinion. But, only under the strict understanding that all findings must be made public with the professor’s and university’s names attached. The latter requirement will likely cause most professors / universities to shy away.

  • ecatworld

    Latest shipping update: “With delivery courier”

    • Mats002

      Frank: why not hook it up to MFMP HUGnet to get a continous power signal which can be doublechecked by the Crowd for interuptions. As usual seeing is believing! A videostream have the disadvantage of looking back in time to see any disruption. MFMP are credible enough to doublecheck and verify the continous power signal from your lab.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Possibly, if Alan is agreeable, one unit could be sent to Ryan and attached to HUGNet with some automated load set to unload at a threshold.

    • ecatworld

      Scheduled Delivery: Today by End of Day

      • SG

        Look forward to the unpacking video!

        • ecatworld

          Yes will do that later today, if it arrives as planned

  • Frank Acland

    Latest shipping update: “With delivery courier”

    • Mats002

      Frank: why not hook it up to MFMP HUGnet to get a continous power signal which can be doublechecked by the Crowd for interuptions. As usual seeing is believing! A videostream have the disadvantage of looking back in time to see any disruption. MFMP are credible enough to doublecheck and verify the continous power signal from your lab.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Possibly, if Frank is agreeable, one unit could be sent to Ryan Hunt and attached to HUGNet with some automated load set to unload at a threshold.

        See above

    • Frank Acland

      Scheduled Delivery: Today by End of Day

      • SG

        Look forward to the unpacking video!

        • Frank Acland

          Yes will do that later today, if it arrives as planned

  • Hhiram

    Hi Frank,

    I’m sure you don’t need this reminder, but please be sure to film *everything* you do! You might consider streaming live to the Internet (there are lots of options, including youtube). Most cloud storage (Google Drive, etc.) offers 15 GB free, so that is lots of hours of decent-quality video. If you need any help setting this up I’m sure the community here will be more than happy to assist.

    • Frank Acland

      Well, I’m not sure about filming *everything* live. But I will film the important parts as much as I can and share. There is lots of time to work out protocols.

      • Private Citizen

        Un-boxing video might be fun.

    • Masterlock2020

      I’m not so sure taking video is so important, since anyone can replicate your findings by simply obtaining their own Orbo device. Besides, with thousands of these things going out, the public will have spoken soon enough.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Great news Frank!

  • Bob Greenyer

    I have spoken with the team at HUG and they would be happy to do long term live monitored testing, with data on HUGNet of either unit for live evaluation by the crowd.

    – they have a temperature controlled box
    – can easily build faraday cage
    – can easily produce continuous drain or automated cycling drain system

    Paul Hunt is more keen to test the unit without an accumulator Lithium cell – but they would be happy to have loan of either.

    Item would be returned when requested.

    • Maybe this should be considered after Frank was able to measure the claimed 0,4 watt.
      Otherwise the whole effort is useless.

      But really nice offer!

      • Bob Greenyer

        When appropriate.

        • Curbina

          Sort of a very odd and fortunate twist, ain’t it!?

        • ecatworld
          • Slad

            check your gmail mate

          • Bob Greenyer

            Fantastic Frank!

          • SG

            5.1 V at .16 A ?

          • FC

            That’s more like 0.8 W.
            Strange.

          • Bob Greenyer

            YES – IT IS…

            Frank, did you buy the USB power meter and LED array – or did that come with it?

          • Slad

            I guess there was room for a second power pack…

          • Bob Greenyer

            it is nearly .82W – so more than two – or .4 is the guaranteed level – and Steorn went to great lengths to ensure the best of the batch for ECW – testing that resulted in the lack of battery.

          • georgehants

            Isn’t science Wonderful when most everybody is enthusiastically just looking at the Evidence.
            Win or Lose it is the open-minded science that is important.
            A shame that the same psychology is prohibited on the Evidence for so many other subjects.
            Many good ideas how to test the Orbo but we are looking at the most simple experiment in history, just leave it alone and measure the output.
            ECW is in a position of observing and participating, possibly, in the birth of something that will be remembered for all of the future.
            Belief in success can change reality.

          • Gerard McEk

            Well said George!

          • Yes it could be wonderful.

            But science also requires to stay objective and not too enthusiastically.

            We have to keep in mind that it could be just ordinary electro magnetic harvesting, packed into a very expensive case.

          • georgehants

            Barty, your reply is Irrelevant and in error in that only Research will prove one way or the other.
            Closed-minded deniers are the section of science that make it look like half-witted amateurs.
            Objectivity is disguised incompetence if it means uneducated scientists afraid to investigate Evidence.

          • FC

            That’s awesome! The wires are connected. 🙂

            What does the reading say? It’s hard to read from the photo.

          • Mats002

            Amazing

          • ecatworld
          • SG

            The usb meter and LED bank were independently acquired (not from Steorn), correct?

          • FC

            Wow, that’s 1.5 W. Now, this is getting surreal.

          • SG

            Sure enough, assuming the usb power meter dongle is accurate.

          • FC

            Are we sure this OCube doesn’t have a battery?

          • SG

            Only one way to find out.

          • FC

            True, but do “we” want to take that risk just yet?

          • SG

            Easy as she goes.

          • Blue Energy

            I guess I agree, but consider that this unit is no longer covered by warranty anyway – since it is being replaced by another that is enroute.

          • FC

            I think I’d rather run a few more tests before doing opening it. Just in case.

          • ecatworld

            Ok I’m suspecting it may have a battery inside, but I don’t have the tool I need to open it. It has some torx nuts on the underside.

          • SG

            Be prepared for some possible sticky black filler material. 🙂

          • mike wolf

            Don’t take it apart until you KNOW it can’t be a battery Frank. I would say 2 months is crazy, 3 impossible. But what I am thinking is if you leave that light on there it will go dead soon. But if you then take the light out, and find that orbo is able to run the light again some time later, then we’ll know about the impossible sooner. 😉

          • ecatworld

            Yes, Mike, it would be good to be able to drain it.

          • ecatworld

            New thread started with an answer to the battery mystery.

          • If the Orbo is true (still have my doubts) then perpetual motion is around the corner.

          • FC

            IMHO there is no such thing as perpetual motion (in the classical sense of the expression). There is simply an energy source that hasn’t been accounted for yet.

          • Agreed, but if one could plug in…..

          • FC

            Then you get “perpetual” motion in the non-classical sense of the expression. 🙂
            (Nothing lasts forever, not even the Universe).

          • mike wolf

            Well I don’t know FC. If what Mills says is true, Limited energy in the classical sense may not be limited at all. He says the universe pulsates. So we are seeing the expansion phase and that the expansion will stop and a contracting phase will begin. If this takes ions, then we would never know it. But it would make it feasible that the contracting is the recharging of the universe. So what we see in entropy really isn’t, it’s more like the wind down before the bounce back. At least that is the way I took what he said.

          • FC

            mike,

            So basically you’re saying that right after the coming Big Crunch there will be another Big Bang. Did I understand you correctly?

          • mike wolf

            Well we won’t crunch to nothing, just contract or pulsate, not out enough to full entropy and not in enough to energy us into oblivion. You know, vwoom, vwoom, vwoom. I remember when I was little. I thought how can we expand forever? Maybe we are like a balloon that get bigger and smaller in cycles like the rest of the universe. So when I heard Mills speak the thought I had a long time ago, I groped upon it. hehe But I know in reality it is just food for thought. But the certainty you had in a complete cool down and death got me thinking that you may not be right and that Mills’ hypothesis could be correct. I admit I was a little biased.

          • FC

            No worries, mike. And thank you for the clarification.

            As you said, it’s just food for thought. It’s impossible to know the truth. None of us will be here to find out what really happens in the end. So, there’s no point in wrestling. 🙂

          • Curbina

            The wheelwork of nature to which we one day would be succesfull to attach our techology, following the famous Tesla quote.

          • Navdrew

            Electrons spinning around the nucleus seems pretty perpetual to me.

          • FC

            Navdrew,

            Exactly.

            Therefore, there must be a source of energy that hasn’t been accounted for yet.

          • R101

            Yes
            https://youtu.be/1zwE9tHQzWM?t=383

            The whole video is very interesting

          • pg

            I have already watched a few things with Bushman, and I find the whole thing amazing. He just has nothing to gain by saying it, and he looks like is simply telling us the plain reality of it. I suggest you watch the interview from Jimmy Kimmel with Obama about aliens, in which he never denies he does not know about aliens and at one point he even says “I can’t reveal anything”.

          • We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of GOD to ever get them out to benefit humanity”.. “we now have the technology to take ET home.

            Ben Rich, CEO of Lockheed Skunkworks (special research division) 1993, repeated 1995.

            Video: http://www.mufon.com/video-testimonies-3/in-1995-ben-rich-ceo-of-lockheed-skunkworks-said-we-now-have-the-technology-to-take-et-home-as-can-be-seen-in-this-video

            More interesting statements by Rich: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5048.0

            That’s presumably where some of the ‘missing’ trillions went.

          • damn_right _man

            Ouuups. No, I actually meant, I could not find anybody conducting similar tests like Frank does and posting the results.

          • Zephir

            The thermal fluctuations and electric noise inside the semiconductors can be considered as such a perpetual motion. So far the engineers did try to eliminate this noise instead – but in connection to nifty piezoelectric material and conductive/rectifying nanostructures we could multiply it and collect to an usable form. https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/44wna1/first_orbo_cube_deliveries_from_steorn_confirmed/

          • SG

            There are no moving parts (at least at the macro-level). Thus, no perpetual “motion.”

          • ecatworld

            The USB meter shut off too.

          • Bob Greenyer
          • How about you hook it up to a cheap digital volt meter, they cost about a £5.
            They draw about 5ma, then let it run for a month.

        • Matt

          Another interesting question would be if it came with the appropriate paperwork. In Europe products must come with a CE stamp, safety informations and a manual in the language of the country it’s delivered to. I guess it’s kind of like the same in the US.

    • Blue Energy

      I think this is a *great* opportunity. Being able to isolate its performance from the sources that people have been speculating about is a big plus. Connecting it to HUGnet means that its performance can be measured and captured on a regular and constant basis for a significant length of time. Testing it without the battery allows just the portion of the invention that actually means anything to be isolated. All of that is very positive.

      I can’t decide whether I believe that Frank’s was accidentally shipped without a battery (just the weight should have tipped them off…). Other possibilities that come to mind are that Shaun is rewarding e-catworld for being one of the seed sites that spread the O-word; or that Shaun is rewarding Frank for being a trusted arbiter and encouraging him to arrange for it to be fairly tested under the best possible conditions. Regardless – kudos on Steorn for doing the right thing. Respect. I think this bodes well.

    • SG

      The following could be a good test progression, or at least something along these lines:
      1. ECW tip of the spear testing: dead on arrival check; does it light up a single LED; hook up an LED bank having a total load that is known to be ~ 0.4 W and measure V and I with a multimeter, let it continue to light the LED bank for a predefined period of time; disassemble unit; inspect for absence of battery; hook up Orbo power pack directly to LED bank and retest for a second predefined period of time.
      2. Send unit to Paul Hunt for HUGNet data gathering and publishing.
      3. Send to university with strict understanding that test results will be published with university’s name attached.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I have spoken with the team at HUG and they would be happy to do long term live monitored testing, with data on HUGNet of either unit for live evaluation by the crowd.

    – they have a temperature controlled box
    – can easily build faraday cage
    – can easily produce continuous drain or automated cycling drain system

    Paul Hunt is more keen to test the unit without an accumulator Lithium cell – but they would be happy to have loan of either.

    Item would be returned when requested.

    • Maybe this should be considered after Frank was able to measure the claimed 0,4 watt.
      Otherwise the whole effort is useless.

      But really nice offer!

      • Bob Greenyer

        When appropriate.

    • Blue Energy

      I think this is a *great* opportunity. Being able to isolate its performance from the sources that people have been speculating about is a big plus. Connecting it to HUGnet means that its performance can be measured and captured on a regular and constant basis for a significant length of time. Testing it without the battery allows just the portion of the invention that actually means anything to be isolated. All of that is very positive.

      I can’t decide whether I believe that Frank’s was accidentally shipped without a battery (just the weight should have tipped them off…). Other possibilities that come to mind are that Shaun is rewarding e-catworld for being one of the seed sites that spread the O-word; or that Shaun is rewarding Frank for being a trusted arbiter and encouraging him to arrange for it to be fairly tested under the best possible conditions. Regardless – kudos on Steorn for doing the right thing. Respect. I think this bodes well.

    • SG

      The following could be a good test progression, or perhaps something along these lines:
      1. ECW tip of the spear testing: dead on arrival check; does it light up a single LED; hook up an LED bank having a total load that is known to be ~ 0.4 W and measure V and I with a multimeter, let it continue to light the LED bank for a predefined period of time; disassemble unit; inspect for absence of battery; hook up Orbo power pack directly to LED bank and retest for a second predefined period of time in a faraday cage.
      2. Send unit to Paul Hunt for HUGNet data gathering and publishing.
      3. Send to university with strict understanding that test results will be published with university’s name attached.

  • MasterBlaster7

    Check it for radiation. Make sure its not a tiny, itty, bitty thermoelectric generator.

  • MasterBlaster7

    Check it for radiation. Make sure its not a tiny, itty, bitty thermoelectric generator.

  • Zephir

    Now you can see, how the new epoch of human civilization really looks-like: no politics, no TV shows, no celebrations – just a tiny forum of faithfuls under ostentatious grudging disinterest of the mainstream science.

    • tchernik

      I hope you are right. Nevertheless I’m deep down, a skeptic of things that sound to good to be true.

      But also, I am a realist. We have to accept the universe isn’t necessarily what we expect it to be. It is what it is.

      The most important guiding criteria we have, the one we can really trust, is repeatable evidence. If the thing works, we have to accept it, regardless of our mental models or our (dis)comfort with the ideas.

      That’s why I’m not blasting Steorn or anyone making big “absurd” claims like these, if they show proof of their saying, they’ve got my attention.

  • Zephir

    Now you can see, how the very beginning of the new epoch of human civilization really looks-like: no politics, no TV shows, no celebrations – just a tiny forum of faithfuls under ostentatious grudging disinterest of the mainstream science and its media.

    • tchernik

      I hope you are right. Nevertheless I’m deep down, a skeptic of things that sound to good to be true.

      But also, I am a realist. We have to accept the universe isn’t necessarily what we expect it to be. It is what it is.

      The most important guiding criteria we have, the one we can really trust, is repeatable evidence. If the thing works, we have to accept it, regardless of our mental models or our (dis)comfort with the ideas.

      That’s why I’m not blasting Steorn or anyone making big “absurd” claims like these, if they show proof of their saying, they’ve got my attention.

  • Mike

    Been a lurker here for more than 5 years, and wanted to suggest something I hadn’t seen mentioned before.

    Test both orbo units together in close proximity. If they are collection rather than generation devices, you might expect power to vary? Will also help validate whether the technology scales well… I.e will 10 stacked orbos generate 4W or less?

    Cheers,
    Mike

  • Private Citizen

    Can you test the item without the battery? Will there be some kind of accessible plug where the battery was supposed to attach? Will there even be a way to open the thing? Think i remember them saying warranty is void if opened, so unlikely they make it easy to open, perhaps it is even tamper-proofed.

    Can’t image the external USB will be powered/connected to anything without the battery.

    Or have to wait until Steorn ships the next unit to begin testing?

  • ecatworld
  • Curbina

    Sort of a very odd and fortunate twist, ain’t it!?

  • ecatworld

    Yes, it has been filmed.

  • Frank Acland
    • Bob Greenyer

      Fantastic Frank!

    • SG

      5.12 V at .16 A
      = 0.8192 W
      Double what was expected.

      (Assuming the LED dongle is accurate.)

      • FC

        That’s more like 0.8 W.
        Strange.

        • Bob Greenyer

          YES – IT IS…

          Frank, did you buy the USB power meter and LED array – or did that come with it?

          • Slad

            I guess there was room for a second power pack in lieu of the battery!…

          • Bob Greenyer

            it is nearly .82W – so more than two – or .4 is the guaranteed level – and Steorn went to great lengths to ensure the best of the batch for ECW – testing that resulted in the lack of battery.

    • FC

      That’s awesome! The wires are connected. 🙂

      What does the reading say? It’s hard to read from the photo.

    • Mats002

      Amazing

    • Bob Greenyer
  • txt29

    Frank, could you weight it? Does it seem to be full (potted) or rather empty?

  • gdaigle

    Excellent Frank. The monkey has landed! 🙂

    • kenko1

      It’s offical….
      We are having fun!

  • gdaigle

    Excellent Frank. The monkey has landed! 🙂

    • kenko1

      It’s offical….
      We are having fun!

  • FC

    Frank,
    IMHO, it is important to know the dimensions of the OCube, especially its volume. That way, we can figure out what its energy density would be if the OCube was just a good battery.
    Thank you.

  • FC

    Frank,
    IMHO, it is important to know the dimensions of the OCube, especially its volume. That way, we can figure out what its energy density would be if the OCube was just a good battery.
    Thank you.

    • FC

      Sorry, I meant its energy capacity, not density. Which could be determined from the OCube’s volume and energy density of the best batteries in the market.

    • Frank Acland

      Sure. I’ll get that info up.

  • Frank Acland
    • SG

      The usb meter and LED bank were independently acquired (not from Steorn), correct?

    • FC

      Wow, that’s 1.5 W. Now, this is getting surreal.

      • SG

        Sure enough, assuming the usb power meter dongle is accurate.

      • FC

        Are we sure this OCube doesn’t have a battery?

        • SG

          Only one way to find out.

          • FC

            True, but do “we” want to take that risk just yet?

          • SG

            Easy as she goes.

          • Blue Energy

            I guess I agree, but consider that this unit is no longer covered by warranty anyway – since it is being replaced by another that is enroute.

          • FC

            I think I’d rather run a few more tests before doing opening it. Just in case.

          • Frank Acland

            Ok I’m suspecting it may have a battery inside, but I don’t have the tool I need to open it. It has some torx nuts on the underside.

          • SG

            Be prepared for some possible sticky black filler material. 🙂

          • mike wolf

            Don’t take it apart until you KNOW it can’t be a battery Frank. I would say 2 months is crazy, 3 impossible. But what I am thinking is if you leave that light on there it will go dead soon. But if you then take the light out, and find that orbo is able to run the light again some time later, then we’ll know about the impossible sooner. 😉

          • Frank Acland

            Yes, Mike, it would be good to be able to drain it.

          • power

            Wrong. It’s trivial to turn off the power on a timer, and turn it back on after it has “recharged” to fake the effect

  • If the Orbo is true (still have my doubts) then perpetual motion is around the corner.

    • FC

      IMHO there is no such thing as perpetual motion (in the classical sense of the expression). There is simply an energy source that hasn’t been accounted for yet.

      • Agreed, but if one could plug in…..

        • FC

          Then you get “perpetual” motion in the non-classical sense of the expression. 🙂
          (Nothing lasts forever, not even the Universe).

          • mike wolf

            Well I don’t know FC. If what Mills says is true, Limited energy in the classical sense may not be limited at all. He says the universe pulsates. So we are seeing the expansion phase and that the expansion will stop and a contracting phase will begin. If this takes ions, then we would never know it. But it would make it feasible that the contracting is the recharging of the universe. So what we see in entropy really isn’t, it’s more like the wind down before the bounce back. At least that is the way I took what he said.

          • FC

            mike,

            So basically you’re saying that right after the coming Big Crunch there will be another Big Bang. Did I understand you correctly?

          • mike wolf

            Well we won’t crunch to nothing, just contract or pulsate, not out enough to full entropy and not in enough to energy us into oblivion. You know, vwoom, vwoom, vwoom. I remember when I was little. I thought how can we expand forever? Maybe we are like a balloon that get bigger and smaller in cycles like the rest of the universe. So when I heard Mills speak the thought I had a long time ago, I groped upon it. hehe But I know in reality it is just food for thought. But the certainty you had in a complete cool down and death got me thinking that you may not be right and that Mills’ hypothesis could be correct. I admit I was a little biased.

          • FC

            No worries, mike. And thank you for the clarification.

            As you said, it’s just food for thought. It’s impossible to know the truth. None of us will be here to find out what really happens in the end. So, there’s no point in wrestling. 🙂

        • Curbina

          The wheelwork of nature to which we one day would be succesfull to attach our techology, following the famous Tesla quote.

      • Navdrew

        Electrons spinning around the nucleus seems pretty perpetual to me.

      • Zephir

        The thermal fluctuations and electric noise inside the semiconductors can be considered as such a perpetual motion. So far the engineers did try to eliminate this noise instead – but in connection to nifty piezoelectric material and conductive/rectifying nanostructures we could multiply it and collect to an usable form. https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/44wna1/first_orbo_cube_deliveries_from_steorn_confirmed/

    • SG

      There are no moving parts (at least at the macro-level). Thus, no perpetual “motion.”

  • snowvoardphil

    Could you pull more than 1.5W ? I wonder how high you can go ? (I guess the LED needs a certain voltage threshold to work)

  • 🙂

  • Dr. Lawrence H. LaFond

    Can anyone take an X-ray to peak inside before opening the case?

    • FC

      Dr. LaFond,

      Good idea, maybe an airport security scanner will do.

  • Dr. Lawrence H. LaFond

    Can anyone take an X-ray to peak inside before opening the case?

    • FC

      Dr. LaFond,

      Good idea, maybe an airport security scanner will do.

  • Dr. Lawrence H. LaFond

    Not sure if my first post stuck, but can anyone take an X-ray to peak inside?

    • FC

      It did.

  • Private Citizen

    Big fun. A mystery to investigate.
    For now, battery or no battery?

    • Jas

      Remeber Jen Roe? She posted a video on the Orbo facebook page on the 4th of Feb. She has the Ophone. She said she would post an update every week. She should have posted on the 11th. I asked why her post was late and she said “There is a reason, video should be posted soon explaining.”

  • Private Citizen

    Big fun. A mystery to investigate.
    For now, battery or no battery?

  • power

    When you get them side by side, please weigh and then X-ray them both (assuming yours is potted and can’t easily be opened and inspected). You can get it X-rayed at your local medical radiographer, they’re usually happy to do this.

  • FC

    It did.

  • Matteo

    Apple states the iPad Pro has a 38.5 watt-hour battery.

    Tear downs reveal a 3.77 V battery with 10307 mAh.

    https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPad+Pro+Teardown/52599

    The battery is actually in 2 parts each measuring 167x43x3.5mm
    = 47,395 mm^3

  • ecatworld

    Okay, here are some updates after trying a few different things. Nothing systematic yet, I have just been tying a few different things to get a feel of what this is capable of.

    After getting some long periods of lighting from the LED units I have been using, now the light shuts off after a few seconds.

    I have tried charging a few devices (Kindle Fire, Kindle, and Smartphone), and they won’t charge.

    So it’s acting like a battery is getting depleted.

    • ecatworld

      But is there a battery in there? I don’t know!

      • Blue Energy

        Is there a hardware store within driving distance that would carry the screwdriver head in question that could be purchased tomorrow? On the other hand, if you open it and there’s a space for a battery that is unoccupied and the rest is full of partially solidified resin – I suppose you still wouldn’t actually know what’s in there. There could be a battery submerged within the resin – although you’d have thought it would power an LED flashlight for longer. I’m sure you’d hate to accidentally cause it to stop working before the new has even worn off though – warranty or not.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Hopefully, you did not destroy the device by overloading. As far as I remember, the specified continuous power was 0.4 W.

    • SG

      Let it “rest” for the night and see if it seems recharged in the morning. Or, as an alternative, just take it apart. 🙂

      • ecatworld

        Yes I’ve given it 20 minutes or so of rest and it seems to have recharged a bit.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          Good to hear. However, I think you should not overstep the rated power if you want a fair test.

          • mike wolf

            He has a second one coming for that. 🙂 Cause he has already overstepped by leaving the light on. So now we can see if it gains it’s ability to charge again. This is either going to be a bust or miraculous. And we will find out quickly. I hope she gains her power back.

    • Curbina

      It seems you got a batteried one.

      • Sanjeev

        Agree. There must be a battery inside.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Maybe the part that is supposed to generate the energy is also able to store it to a limited extent. Or there is some resource that gets exhausted if you withdraw too much.

    • tchernik

      Thanks for the update. Now, I assume you will wait for it to recharge?

      Keep us posted.

      • ecatworld

        Yes, will give it a rest overnight and see how it performs tomorrow.

        • Zephir

          So, how it did perform after then? Could we get some protocol of all tests/operations with Orbo unit at single place? The sniffing around giant discussion thread is quite impractical…

    • Mats002

      It’s acting ‘the battery is dead’! So far it lives up to the expectations ^^

  • Frank Acland

    Okay, here are some updates after trying a few different things. Nothing systematic yet, I have just been tying a few different things to get a feel of what this is capable of.

    After getting some long periods of lighting from the LED units I have been using, now the light shuts off after a few seconds.

    I have tried charging a few devices (Kindle Fire, Kindle, and Smartphone), and they won’t charge.

    So it’s acting like a battery is getting depleted.

    • Frank Acland

      But is there a battery in there? I don’t know!

      • Blue Energy

        Is there a hardware store within driving distance that would carry the screwdriver head in question that could be purchased tomorrow? On the other hand, if you open it and there’s a space for a battery that is unoccupied and the rest is full of partially solidified resin – I suppose you still wouldn’t actually know what’s in there. There could be a battery submerged within the resin – although you’d have thought it would power an LED flashlight for longer. I’m sure you’d hate to accidentally cause it to stop working before the new has even worn off though – warranty or not.

    • David Pugh

      What happened to the measured energy output during the time period in which the led’s shut off?

      • Frank Acland

        The USB meter shut off too.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Hopefully, you did not destroy the device by overloading. As far as I remember, the specified continuous power was 0.4 W.

    • SG

      Let it “rest” for the night and see if it seems recharged in the morning. Or, as an alternative, just take it apart. 🙂

      • Frank Acland

        Yes I’ve given it 20 minutes or so of rest and it seems to have recharged a bit.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          Good to hear. However, I think you should not overstep the rated power if you want a fair test.

          • mike wolf

            He has a second one coming for that. 🙂 Cause he has already overstepped by leaving the light on. So now we can see if it gains it’s ability to charge again. This is either going to be a bust or miraculous. And we will find out quickly. I hope she gains her power back.

    • Curbina

      It seems you got a batteried one.

      • Sanjeev

        Agree. There must be a battery inside.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Maybe the part that is supposed to generate the energy is also able to store it to a limited extent. Or there is some resource that gets exhausted if you withdraw too much.

    • tchernik

      Thanks for the update. Now, I assume you will wait for it to recharge?

      Keep us posted.

      • Frank Acland

        Yes, will give it a rest overnight and see how it performs tomorrow.

        • Zephir

          So, how it did perform after then? Could we get some protocol of all tests/operations with Orbo unit at single place? The sniffing around giant discussion thread is quite impractical…

    • Mats002

      It’s acting ‘the battery is dead’! So far it lives up to the expectations ^^

    • Pweet

      Possibly it actually did come with a battery in it and the battery they found in their workshop does not belong to the one you got.
      or
      Possibly the orbo has a small ultra capacitor in it, or even an ordinary tantalum capacitor, which are cheap. That could explain the initial charge because it would have charged up in transit, but not to the charge level that a battery would.

      I was wondering if the charging circuit relied on picking up stray emf’s from electrical wiring in the surroundings, such as house wiring etc. It would be interesting to see if the recharge rate was affected by location, inside vs outside etc. If it was then this would indicate the energy was coming from stray emf’s. A simple pickup coil and rectification diodes would do the job.

  • snowvoardphil

    According to the info Steorn has released about the technology, I would assume there is a battery in there. I remember the demo that showed a steady mini amperage being released by the ”energy producing” bits, but a battery was needed to store the power in order to release it at a greater rate later.

    So considering that the light ran for a while and now it shuts down, it means it consumes more than what is generated instantaneously. Hence, it points to the fact that some power ”reserve” (aka battery) is present in the circuit.

    • passerby

      ..or it’s just a little capacitor

      • SG

        This actually seems plausible. Although it is also possible that the battery was not fully charged in the first place. I remember something about needing to “tap” the Ocube to start it up. Did the Ocube happen to come with instructions?

  • snowvoardphil

    According to the info Steorn has released about the technology, I would assume there is a battery in there. I remember the demo that showed a steady mini amperage being released by the ”energy producing” bits, but a battery was needed to store the power in order to release it at a greater rate later.

    So considering that the light ran for a while and now it shuts down, it means it consumes more than what is generated instantaneously. Hence, it points to the fact that some power ”reserve” (aka battery) is present in the circuit.

    If it does (and everything seems to point to it) it means the time during which it was on route to you (+ any storage time in Dublin), was not enough to get it back to ”recharge” to more than a couple of Watts.

    • passerby

      ..or it’s just a little capacitor

      • SG

        This actually seems plausible. Although it is also possible that the battery was not fully charged in the first place. I remember something about needing to “tap” the Ocube to start it up. Did the Ocube happen to come with instructions?

  • Krish

    Frank,
    Whenn would you share with us ECW Crowd how long (weeks, months) you plan to run your tests of the two units before you share the units for further testing by MFMP, MIT, et al, if at all ?

  • Sanjeev

    Word is spreading.
    http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2016/02/first-ocube-delivery-confirmed/

    I’ve searched all corners of the web, but no one else has received their ocube yet. Strange.

    • That’s very odd…I expected to see now more and more arrivals of orbos, but except Frank, it seems like no one else ordered an orbo??
      Especially delivery from Ireland to other EU states should have faster shipping without customs.

      • FC

        It seems to me that Steorn are aware of ECW’s reach and made sure that Frank was the first customer to receive the OCube (maybe even days ahead of the rest). We’ll have to keep on waiting for this thriller to resolve itself.

        Personally, I’m really looking forward to Frank’s update in a few hours, to see if the OCube has recharged itself.

        • Zephir

          I don’t, because I don’t think, McCarthy would be such an idiot. Today it’s quite expensive game to sell the stuffs, which don’t work as announced, especially the stuffs so expensive. In addition, I just know about seventy years old history of overunity. Everything what the mainstream physics has said about these findings was a lie.

  • Sanjeev

    Word is spreading.
    http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2016/02/first-ocube-delivery-confirmed/

    I’ve searched all corners of the web, but no one else has received their ocube yet. Strange.

    • That’s very odd…I expected to see now more and more arrivals of orbos, but except Frank, it seems like no one else ordered an orbo??
      Especially delivery from Ireland to other EU states should have faster shipping without customs.

      • FC

        It seems to me that Steorn are aware of ECW’s reach and made sure that Frank was the first customer to receive the OCube (maybe even days ahead of the rest). We’ll have to keep on waiting for this thriller to resolve itself.

        Personally, I’m really looking forward to Frank’s update in a few hours, to see if the OCube has recharged itself.

        • Zephir

          I don’t, because I don’t think, McCarthy would be such an idiot. Today it’s quite expensive game to sell the stuffs, which don’t work as announced, especially the stuffs so expensive. In addition, I just know about seventy years old history of overunity. Everything what the mainstream physics has said about these findings was a lie.

  • georgehants

    Isn’t science Wonderful when most everybody is enthusiastically just looking at the Evidence.
    Win or Lose it is the open-minded science that is important.
    A shame that the same psychology is prohibited on the Evidence for so many other subjects.
    Many good ideas how to test the Orbo but we are looking at the most simple experiment in history, just leave it alone and measure the output.
    ECW is in a position of observing and participating, possibly, in the birth of something that will be remembered for all of the future.
    Belief in success can change reality.

    • Gerard McEk

      Well said George!

    • Yes it could be wonderful.

      But science also requires to stay objective and not too enthusiastically.

      We have to keep in mind that it could be just ordinary electro magnetic harvesting, packed into a very expensive case.

      • georgehants

        Barty, your reply is Irrelevant and in error in that only Research will prove one way or the other on any subject.
        Closed-minded deniers are the section of science that make it look like half-witted amateurs.
        Objectivity is disguised incompetence if it means uneducated scientists afraid to investigate Evidence.

  • Gerard McEk

    Hi Frank, congratulations with your Orbo(s). The system must be able to continuous deliver 0.4 Watts. That is more than enough to drive a small LED. That is a test you can do with you Orbo without battery, but maybe it has some electronics inside that limits some of the electrical values (Amps and/or Volts).
    BTW What tests do you intend to do?

    • Sanjeev

      I suggest LOS approach. Frank, if he wishes, can create a google spreadsheet and update it with following data periodically –

      Date/time
      Time duration (t, sec)
      V (V)
      I (A)
      Power(W)
      Energy (Joules, = Wxt)

      So, lets say after a week we can simply total the energy and compare it with any energy source of the volume and weight similar to ocube. If it goes on delivering more and more energy, we have a winner.
      It should be loaded with led lights or something, but it should not be too power consuming nor should it consume a negligible power (else it will take months to know). It can be disconnected when it drains off and be allowed to regain the charge. It seems he has this usb meter, but I recommend calibrating it against a known source.

  • Gerard McEk

    Hi Frank, congratulations with your Orbo(s). The system must be able to continuous deliver 0.4 Watts. That is more than enough to drive a small LED. That is a test you can do with you Orbo without battery, but maybe it has some electronics inside that limits some of the electrical values (Amps and/or Volts).
    BTW What tests do you intend to do?

    • Sanjeev

      I suggest LOS approach. Frank, if he wishes, can create a google spreadsheet and update it with following data periodically –

      Date/time
      Time duration (t, sec)
      V (V)
      I (A)
      Power(W)
      Energy (Joules, = Wxt)

      So, lets say after a week we can simply total the energy and compare it with any energy source of the volume and weight similar to ocube. If it goes on delivering more and more energy, we have a winner.
      It should be loaded with led lights or something, but it should not be too power consuming nor should it consume a negligible power (else it will take months to know). It can be disconnected when it drains off and be allowed to regain the charge. It seems he has this usb meter, but I recommend calibrating it against a known source.

  • Dieter_G

    Hi Frank,

    the orbo-pack is said to deliver 0.4W. However the output varies over time, according to steorn. It could be, that you coincidentally had hit a high-power period when driving the big LED-light with 1.5Watts.
    If you try to draw more power than the orbo-pack can deliver, its voltage will collapse and the electronics is (most likely) switching the output of.
    Try to get something that only draws 0.4W or even less and hook it up. Your unit should be able to supply such a load even without the Li-ION-battery.

    • Dieter_G

      you could just buy a 100-Ohm resistor and a multimeter. Hook the resistor to the open ends of a usb-cable and monitor the voltage across the resistor. The power drawn by the resistor then is U² / R, where U is the measured voltage and R the value of the resistor (100 Ohms). Would be 0.25Watts if the unit can sustain 5V under this load.
      But be aware : there is a big disadvantage to this simple approach : There is no fancy “brightly shining” LED. It just looks boring 😉

      But that way you don’t need to measure amps but only voltage, which is not the case when using an LED.

      Of course you could also use your USB-power-meter, but then you don’t know how much power it needs for its own operation.

  • FC

    I’m sorry, Frank. But now it’s you, not Andrea Rossi, who’s going to have to put up with all of us asking stupid questions and begging for an update several times a day. 🙂

    By the way, can we have an update today?

  • damn_right _man

    WHAAAAAAAT a stupid response from steorn.
    This is really an indicator for complete fraud.
    I did not expect that at all.
    Did they even say, when the new device will be shipped to You ? Again one month waiting ? Can You disassemble the first orbo and just put an self owned, same sized li-ion battery into it ?

    This is actually the biggest disappointment.

    “The battery is dead” turned out to be called “the battery is missing”.

    How could that happen…. really… this an absolutely unserious way of making business.

  • Matt

    Another interesting question would be if it came with the appropriate paperwork. In Europe products must come with a CE stamp, safety informations and a manual in the language of the country it’s delivered to. I guess it’s kind of like the same in the US.

  • Frank Acland

    New thread started with an answer to the battery mystery.

  • How about you hook it up to a cheap digital volt meter, they cost about a £5.
    They draw about 5ma, then let it run for a month.

  • Jimbo

    Still nothing? Did it arrive really? Where are the blog posts? Where are the pictures? This is nonsense.

  • Jas

    Remeber Jen Roe? She posted a video on the Orbo facebook page on the 4th of Feb. She has the Ophone. She said she would post an update every week. She should have posted on the 11th. I asked why her post was late and she said “There is a reason, video should be posted soon explaining.”