Mats Lewan Covers Conclusion of the 1 MW Plant Test

Today on his An Impossible Invention blog, Swedish author and journalist Mats Lewan has written a post about the conclusion of Andrea Rossi’s 1MW E-Cat Plant, which was announced today.

Mats’ full post can be read here: https://animpossibleinvention.com/2016/02/18/historic-event-one-year-1-megawatt-e-cat-trial-completed/

It seems that Mats knows people with some familiarity with the test as he writes:

“The report from the one-year trial, which has been controlled by a major independent third party certification institute, will be released only in about a month, and until then no official information is provided on the test result. However, multiple sources have told me that the test has been successful…

“I have also been told that the total amount of fuel—mostly harmless elements such as litium, hydrogen and nickel, according to Andrea Rossi’s granted patent on the technology—was in the range of tenths of grams. And supposedly the charge has never been changed during the year.

That might be as much information as we will get until some official report gets released. Andrea Rossi says that he cannot comment on the results of the test until the Expert Responsible for Validation (ERV) delivers a report to him. According to Mats above, the ERV is a “major independent third party certification institute”, and if that turns out to be the case, there should be quite a lot of new interest from people who have heretofore either ignored or dismissed Rossi’s work, since there have been very few influential people or organizations who have taken it seriously.

If the results are “clearly positive” then Mats’ New Energy World Symposium will go ahead in Sweden this June, and if it does, I hope that Andrea Rossi will be one of the speakers there.

  • Tadej

    Better belive it, this is a successful comment : )

  • Buck

    A reminder: March 23, 1989

    The notable date of the Fleischmann and Pons news conference

    • GreenWin

      Indeed Buck. Our friends demonstrate a wonderful affinity for numerical symbolism. 7-4-1776 has yet to find its place. But makes a fitting option.

      • Buck

        GW,

        How do you see the balance between the two choices of either announce or don’t announce on the anniversary? Which choice makes more sense for Rossi/IH?

        Of course this assumes there is something to say.

        • GreenWin

          Buck, I think the date has established itself. For example, my evolution from bio and chem alternatives was catalyzed by the SPAWAR presentation on 3/23/2009 at ACS: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-03/acs-fr031709.php

          A brilliant commemorative choice then, and I think appropriate now. As much as I support the technology – I am dedicated to correcting the record for P&F. Allowing special interests, ego and collusion to monopolize knowledge is self-destructive. It is perhaps MORE important to expose the fraud that has retarded cold fusion than cold fusion science itself.

          Technical progress without commensurate spiritual growth likely results in an extinction event. IMO :<)

          • GordonDocherty

            If it’s on March 23rd, perhaps that can be celebrated in the future as “LENR-Day”? 🙂

    • TomR

      Probably a good choice, Buck.
      Now it will take about a month to know the results from his report.
      No more information about the 1 MW E-Cat that made the tests from now until the publication of the results will be allowed.
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

  • Buck

    A reminder: March 23, 1989

    The notable date of the Fleischmann and Pons news conference

    • GreenWin

      Indeed Buck. Our friends demonstrate a wonderful affinity for numerical symbolism. 7-4-1776 has yet to find its place. But makes a fitting option.

      • Buck

        GW,

        How do you see the balance between the two choices of either announce or don’t announce on the anniversary? Which choice makes more sense for Rossi/IH?

        Of course this assumes there is something to say.

        • GreenWin

          Buck, I think the date has established itself. For example, my evolution from bio and chem alternatives was catalyzed by the SPAWAR presentation on 3/23/2009 at ACS: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-03/acs-fr031709.php

          A brilliant commemorative choice then, and I think appropriate now. As much as I support the technology – I am dedicated to correcting the record for P&F. Allowing special interests, ego and collusion to monopolize knowledge is self-destructive. It is perhaps MORE important to expose the fraud that has retarded cold fusion than cold fusion science itself.

          Technical progress without commensurate spiritual growth likely results in an extinction event. IMO :<)

    • TomR

      Probably a good choice, Buck.
      Now it will take about a month to know the results from his report.
      No more information about the 1 MW E-Cat that made the tests from now until the publication of the results will be allowed.
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

  • Rogers

    Intellectually, I understand the need to wait for the ERV report. However, we’ve waited so long and now we must wait a bit longer… Always winter and never Christmas

    • bfast

      Christmas is coming! Christmas is coming!

    • GreenWin

      See comment above. Impatience myopically applied is little different than hypocrisy.

  • Alan DeAngelis
    • GreenWin

      You read well Alan. And find the best of the best!

  • Alan DeAngelis
    • GreenWin

      You read well Alan. And find the best of the best!

  • Jas

    What do I personally want from a device like the e-cat? When I am old I don’t want to be in a position where I either heat my home or eat food. Heat or Eat they call it here in Britain. Many thousands of pensioners face this trap every winter. I want the security of knowing that when I retire one day if I fall on hard times then heating my home will be possible. Hopefully that wish will be granted.

  • enantiomer2000

    Hope the report is both positive and illuminating. Rossi has said that the “customer” may decide not to identify themselves.

  • “Industrial Heat has acquired the right to produce and sell E-Cat based technology in, as far as I have been told, North, Central and South America, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.”

    This tells me that some of the BIG investors in Industrial Heat are from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. Who else would even think of or care about those tiny little markets?

    “I have also been told that the total amount of fuel (used up) —mostly harmless elements such as lithium, hydrogen and nickel, according to Andrea Rossi’s granted patent on the technology—was in the range of tenths of grams.”

    This reminds me of the movie, *Starman*, when Jeff Bridges asks “How can car need energy so soon?” 100,000 miles without refueling is coming soon (relatively) to a car dealership near you. Honda will claim 100,000 miles in commercials. Toyota will claim 120,000 miles. Volkswagen will claim 200,000 miles, but they will rig the test. 🙂

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUaRNRGOumk

    • GreenWin

      Love the Starmen!

    • psi2u2

      Thank for that report, as I’ve been wondering what the IH deal was with Rossi. That makes sense. The connections to SA and the Emirates is fascinating.

      “Volkswagen will claim 200,000 miles, but they will rig the test. :)”

      Haha.

  • “Industrial Heat has acquired the right to produce and sell E-Cat based technology in, as far as I have been told, North, Central and South America, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.”

    This tells me that some of the BIG investors in Industrial Heat are from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. Who else would even think of or care about those tiny little markets?

    “I have also been told that the total amount of fuel (used up) —mostly harmless elements such as lithium, hydrogen and nickel, according to Andrea Rossi’s granted patent on the technology—was in the range of tenths of grams.”

    This reminds me of the movie, *Starman*, when Jeff Bridges asks “How can car need energy so soon?” 100,000 miles without refueling is coming soon (relatively) to a car dealership near you. Honda will claim 100,000 miles in commercials. Toyota will claim 120,000 miles. Volkswagen will claim 200,000 miles, but they will rig the test. 🙂

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUaRNRGOumk

    • GreenWin

      Love the Starmen!

    • psi2u2

      Thank for that report, as I’ve been wondering what the IH deal was with Rossi. That makes sense. The connections to SA and the Emirates is fascinating.

      “Volkswagen will claim 200,000 miles, but they will rig the test. :)”

      Haha.

  • mcloki

    Tenths of grams. – That’s crazy.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Not if it was a minute thin/’thick’ film of Ni62 physically vapour deposited on the 2 heat exchanger outer plates in each wafer stack. You need very little mass of Li and H for the rest – this is E=MC^2 after all.

    • Mark

      Surely Mat has made a typo here. Isn’t it tens of grams as we were lead to believe each reactor had at least about a gram in it weren’t we? Mat can you double confirm? 🙂

  • mcloki

    Tenths of grams. – That’s crazy.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Not if it was a minute thin/’thick’ film of Ni62 physically vapour deposited on the 2 heat exchanger outer plates in each wafer stack. You need very little mass of Li and H for the rest – this is E=MC^2 after all.

    • Mark

      Surely Mat has made a typo here. Isn’t it tens of grams as we were lead to believe each reactor had at least about a gram in it weren’t we? Mat can you double confirm? 🙂

    • Nrico

      We are witnessing science fiction becoming reality. It feels as a privilege being able to see this story develop over the course of the last years.

      It also gives me some hope for humanity again. Soon, oil will no longer be a catalyst for warfare. Energy scarcity has enslaved much of mankind for decades. This will present a window of opportunity for all of us.

      But government and industry will fight to maintain their power. They don’t want us to have the independency that comes with cheap energy. I wonder what their strategy will be?

  • Alain Samoun

    Today, even better that July 29 1969:
    “That’s one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.”

    • builditnow

      “That’s one small step for Rossi, on giant wait for mankind.”

      • GreenWin

        I remind our antsy friends waiting for scientific confirmation of Dr. Rossi’s recent claims — all of humanity has waited 65 years for consensus science and hot fusion physics to produce ONE Watt useful energy. They have failed. Over and over and OVER again since 1952. Then 1970, again circa 1990, again 2010 – every 20 years – bait and switched at a cumulative cost of some $250B taxpayer dollars. Results? ZED.

        5 -years – ZERO tax dollars – Dr. Rossi and LENR = positive results
        65 – years $250B tax dollars – hot fusion consensus = negative or insignificant results

        • hempenearth

          Hi GW,
          I’ve been making the argument to support LENR for a while now using some of your arguments. Someone disputed the $250B figure – is there a source for that figure?
          (I don’t doubt it, it is probably more).
          Thanks in advance

          • GreenWin

            hempenearth,

            I extrapolate the above ground economy inclusive of civilian and military research into fusion on all continents since 1945. Then multiply by a factor of 2 to allow for underground economy, graft, and black budget expenditures. That’s conservative.

            Pentagon lost track of $2.3T according to Donald Rumsfeld on the day before 9/11: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU

          • hempenearth

            Wow, thanks

          • Alan DeAngelis

            This upset me. I’m going back to watching Rachel
            Maddow and sniffing glue.

          • GreenWin

            LOL! 4 real

          • psi2u2

            “Pentagon lost track of $2.3T according to Donald Rumsfeld on the day before 9/11”

            Hmmm…Rumsfeld is also the guy who said that he didn’t want to marry his wife, but he married her to prevent someone else from doing so. That was the Bush admin/neo-con theory about Iraq too. They didn’t want to own it but they didn’t want anyone else too either.

            Let’s guess what happened to the search for that money….Cui bono?

            When we look carefully at the events of 911 and the circumstances surrounding it, it becomes obvious that MANY constituencies, from the Pakistani intelligence to those who stole that 2.3T, to the American neo-cons, had everything to gain from the events that took place.

            Sorry this is somewhat off-topic.

        • psi2u2

          Yes, and part of our job is to not let this history be forgotten.

      • Alain Samoun

        I believe Mats and what he said from his sources – At this point the report will have an interest only to let know what is LENR to people who do not know this blog.

      • psi2u2

        Lol.

    • Stephen

      “one powerful step for a marathon runner, one astonishing leap forward for the human race”

  • GreenWin

    Great article by a good friend to humanity. Frank, our indefatigable Admin adds this thought:
    “… since there have been very few influential people or organizations who have taken it [LENR] seriously.”

    Which begs the question: why have so few taken this work seriously? If not the result of (regular meme) the holographic universe – then why? The answer is difficult. On one hand lack of interest by mainstream science suggests all of humanity has suffered a lobotomy. Or the PTB are so thoroughly misanthropic as to ignore individual intelligence and its ability to seek, find, and report truth.

    Perhaps it is comforting for overseers to paint humanity as they prefer it – warring tribes of simian primitives. Or the unfortunate result of not so smart genetic tinkering. Regardless, it will be interesting to see how the wall of ignorance is “splained” to the public. The advent of LENR demands militant house cleaning. The American house has gotten rubbishy the last 70 years. And it’s always healthy to take out the trash.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      One thing is that there is an explicit lack of ways to act. If one believes in Rossi, starting one’s one competing primitive LENR effort sounds futile from both science and business perspective. Better to seriously wait and see until he brings it to market so that anybody can buy and analyse it.

    • There will be no cleaning.
      The comment from people, even those who were most critical, will be, as Arthur C. Clarke put it (quoted in my book): ‘I always said it was a good idea.’
      And they will all get away with it.

      • First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
        Mahatma Gandhi

        We have the fight to come next, which will determine who ends up controlling the technology – the developers or the energy cabals. It could turn out to be a pyrrhic victory, with the nuclear industry gaining control on spurious safety grounds.

      • psi2u2

        I don’t know about all of them, Mats. Some of them, especially those directly involved in the P & F fiasco will have difficulty explaining away the well justified opprobrium of the public and historians of science. But you are right, I bet, about most of them, who have not been deeply involved and have pulled strings behind closed doors. They will get away with it. It will be the same in my own field of Shakespeare studies, which is undergoing a similar but more slow moving paradigm shift. Most will say they knew the answer all along.

  • GreenWin

    Great article by a good friend to humanity. Frank, our indefatigable Admin adds this thought:
    “… since there have been very few influential people or organizations who have taken it [LENR] seriously.”

    Which begs the question: why have so few taken this work seriously? If not the result of (regular meme) the holographic universe – then why? The answer is difficult. On one hand lack of interest by mainstream science suggests all of humanity has suffered a lobotomy. Or the PTB are so thoroughly misanthropic as to ignore individual intelligence and its ability to seek, find, and report truth.

    Perhaps it is comforting for overseers to paint humanity as they prefer it – warring tribes of simian primitives. Or the unfortunate result of not so smart genetic tinkering. Regardless, it will be interesting to see how the wall of ignorance is “splained” to the public. The advent of LENR demands militant house cleaning. The American house has gotten rubbishy the last 70 years. And it’s always healthy to take out the trash.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      One thing is that there is an explicit lack of ways to act. If one believes in Rossi, starting one’s one competing primitive LENR effort sounds futile from both science and business perspective. Better to seriously wait and see until he brings it to market so that anybody can buy and analyse it.

    • There will be no cleaning.
      The comment from people, even those who were most critical, will be, as Arthur C. Clarke put it (quoted in my book): ‘I always said it was a good idea.’
      And they will all get away with it.

      • First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
        Mahatma Gandhi

        We have the fight to come next, which will determine who ends up controlling the technology – the developers or the energy cartels. It could turn out to be a pyrrhic victory from our POV, with the nuclear industry gaining control on spurious safety grounds.

      • psi2u2

        I don’t know about all of them, Mats. Some of them, especially those directly involved in the P & F fiasco will have difficulty explaining away the well justified opprobrium of the public and historians of science. But you are right, I bet, about most of them, who have not been deeply involved and have pulled strings behind closed doors. They will get away with it. It will be the same in my own field of Shakespeare studies, which is undergoing a similar but more slow moving paradigm shift. Most will say they knew the answer all along.

  • QUESTION for Frank

    Am I correct in believing that the 250 kilowatt units used in the test were essentially Hot Cats made with steel, not alumina?

    • Frank Acland

      I don’t know what they are made with, Christopher, but I don’t think they are Hot Cats. AR has said this plant is a low temperature plant making steam of about 100-120 C

      • But it does not use bottles of hydrogen gas,…right? The hydrogen comes from lithium aluminum hydride,…right?

        • Alain Samoun

          See his patent…

  • QUESTION for Frank

    Am I correct in believing that the 250 kilowatt units used in the test were essentially Hot Cats made with steel, not alumina?

    • Frank Acland

      I don’t know what they are made with, Christopher, but I don’t think they are Hot Cats. AR has said this plant is a low temperature plant making steam of about 100-120 C

      • Does the hydrogen comes from lithium aluminum hydride or a bottle? If it uses hydrogen gas bottles, that means it is several generations of technology behind the E-Cat X.

        • Alain Samoun

          See his patent…

  • Michael W Wolf

    It’s an historic day. Feb. 18, 2016. It will be in your history books. Maybe I was wrong and Rossi will get the first Nobel prize. Nothing short of 12 bullets can stop this now. God be with them.

    • psi2u2

      My assessment is that it would take a lot more than 12 at this point. In fact, I doubt that bullets could do any more than delay it. To quote (somewhat freely, from memory) e.e. cummings,

      “you and I may not hurry it,
      but all the policemen in the world can’t stop it…”

  • Dr. Mike

    I’m sure everyone that has been following Rossi’s progress on his 1MW plant eagerly awaits the report on the results after about one year of operation. I hope the report is written in a format that would be acceptable for general scientific publication, but I am not anticipating the report to have sufficient detail to stand up to peer review, and much like the Lugano report, any questions raised, such as on this forum, will never be answered. I particularly expect the report will be lacking in details on the reactor description and operation. (We will not learn how much Ni was used in the reactor!) However, I’m hoping that the report contains as a minimum:
    1. How was the input power measured?
    2. Does the input power include the total power going into the container (perhaps discounting for lighting)? (Power to electronics to control the reactor should be included in the input power.)
    3. How was the input power integrated over time?
    4. How was the output power (heat) measured?
    5. How was the output power integrated over time?

    If the above data is presented in the report in a scientific manner, there should be no reason for anyone to question the potential of LENR, including all hot fusion physicists.

    • LookMoo

      From the business there is only one thing that matters.. “how much money did we save on our electric bill??”. The answer on that sums it up. Regardless if Rossi gets the Noble price or not.

    • I don’t believe there will be that much details, and I don’t think it will be a report that would pass peer review for scientific publication.
      What I consider important at this point is that the third party controller institute signs the report officially.
      It’s not even important to know who the customer is. I could even undertand that if you have the world’s first ‘cold fusion’ heat plant in your premises, you don’t raise your hand like that, unless you want som serious crowds outside your door.

      • Bob Matulis

        I hope it is a credible third party. If it is this is a big game changer – LENR in my mind will be the real deal and be commercially viable.
        If the third party is of dubious credibility it will strongly suggests illegitimacy. After all the previous ECAT scrutiny and criticism it would make no sense to have any one less than an unimpeachable third party.

      • Dr. Mike

        Mats,
        I agree. It would be nice if the third party is someone with verifiable credentials, although I would prefer a well written report from a junior engineer than a poor report from a Nobel prize winner.
        Dr. Mike

        • Right. In any case, my understanding is that we should not expect a report by academics, but rather by experienced industry experts/engineers. Which I believe is good.

          • Dr. Mike

            I agree!

      • psi2u2

        Yep.

      • Frank Acland

        I agree, Mats. And if they make that signature public. If they hand the document to Rossi and tell him it is confidential, it might help Rossi & Co. with their marketing work if they can share the report privately with potential customers, but the public (us) will still be in the dark.

        • Dr. Mike

          Frank,
          Has Rossi ever mentioned that the report might be kept confidential? From his many comments on his blog telling people to wait for the final report, I can’t believe he would consider not making the report public.
          Dr. Mike

    • roseland67

      I’m hoping, as always, that report proves to all
      the following:

      1. Energy out > Energy in
      2. Safe
      3. Scalable
      4. Cost effective
      5. Reliable
      6. Repairable
      7. Released to industry in 2016, as, selfishly,
      I’m retiring this year.

      • Dr. Mike

        roseland67,
        My guess is he report will only attempt to cover #1 of your listed items, although I certainly agree that a report covering all 7 of your items would make for a much better report.
        Dr. Mike

    • psi2u2

      The purpose of the report is probably not peer reviewed publication. As much as that might be desirable from an academic perspective, it is not necessary for the purposes of industrial verification. I agree the report should be “scientific” but the history of the subject reveals that the dynamics of peer review are part of the problem here. Mainstream peer reviewed journals will be unlikely to publish such a report, because of its conclusions, even if the methods are air-tight in every other regard. I am familiar with how this works from my own frequent publication in peer reviewed journals (and the NEH grant process) in humanities. True “outside the box” thinking, such as LENR, is not welcome in most peer reviewed journals. Pity ’tis, ’tis so.

  • Mike

    What is an “independent third party certification institute”? Does the opposite exist, ie a non-independent certification institute? Have we heard of this institute earlier?

    • LilyLover

      That’s called “internal audit”, “pending investigation”, “people familiar with the matter said”, “the best in “class*” according to consumer research* of 2016*”, “policy aligned with our vision statement to integrate ethics and law with the delicate mandate for profit”, “purple heart award”, “I didn’t do it… I don’t know that woman…”, “…in the best interest of America”, “…American Exceptionalism…” … If you are still not satisfied … I can put the Energizer bunny here to finish my sentence with unlimited examples.

    • Roland

      UL is a third party certification institute. The likely party, in this case, has been mentioned previously in these threads and is based in France; if I could produce the name from memory you’d have it. Suffice it to say that there are a number of these organizations internationally that primarily provide safety certification for all manner of products, most of which is demanded by insurance companies as an aspect of determining liability for claims payments.

      For example if you have a house fire caused by a non certified device your insurance company will refuse to honour your policy, hence the UL, or other, certificate on relevant devices sold in the first world.

  • Mats002

    Dear Frank, I think Buck has a point that the notable date of the Fleischmann and Pons news conference is March 23.

    I suggest to forward the count down clock by 6 days to aim that particular date.

  • jimbo92107

    The story of Fleishman and Pons never made sense to me. Why would two eminent scientists come up with a weird stunt that destroyed both their careers?

    LENR technology may provide our planet with endless energy, but for those that crucified these two men, there will never be enough crow…

    • Private Citizen

      While hopeful Rossi will come thru, isn’t it even slightly curious that a simple replication of the P&F experiment isn’t the first thing shown at any LENR conference?

      • artefact

        As far as I know it took days and weeks until the reaction suddenly took off – if at all. That is not easy to do at a conference.

        • Private Citizen

          Are there not days and weeks of warning before a LENR conference?

          • psi2u2

            Replications have been shown many times and are not controversial. Please check out the 2006 60 Minutes show on this question. Multiple labs have reports of successful replication at the microcosmic scale. The only difference with Rossi is that he has apparently achieved higher levels of COP and more controllable and predictable success and much higher energy and power ratings.

          • GreenWin

            CBS Television 60 Minutes aired the segment “Cold Fusion is Hot Again” on April 9, 2009. It requires (free) subscription to CBSnews to view. This link to Infinite Energy’s story includes un-aired discussion with Dr. McKubre: http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue85/60minutes.html

            Private Citizen clings to the skeptic imagining that LENR remains gated by consensus science – notably the corroded APS. It does not. LENR and the E-Cat/IH commercial venture are gated only by satisfied customers. The recently completed 350 day burn-in need only demonstrate safe operation, MTBF rate, energy in/out (COP) and hard cost savings to customer.

            However, the full report likely written by industrial engineers and certified by an “expert validator” will contain more data.

          • Private Citizen

            Private Citizen only finds it interesting that an experiment that can be held in one hand, tarred and slandered by the MSM, is not routinely vindicated and replicated as lesson #1 at LENR conferences.

            That’s all. You don’t find that curious, fine.

          • GreenWin

            Jet Energy’s Swartz and Hagelstein regularly demo their NANOR over-unity device. High output LENR has gone commercial. Hence increasing private investment in R&D for commercial purpose. No commercial investor / developer gives away their IP. At most they hint at progress and reserve core IP. Not curious at all if you’re familiar with product development.

          • psi2u2

            Thanks for posting the link.

          • artefact

            But its difficult to have the sudden burst exactly during the conference, I guess.

          • Private Citizen

            I’ll settle for MFMP replicating, of all people, Martin Fleischmann’s experiment in their laudable open science.

            Wait as long as we will for those sudden bursts.

    • Sean

      Very true words said. Do you know if Stanley Pons is still researching? Hope he is following Rossi or perhaps e-catworld. Would like to know what he is thinking and that all his and Martin Fleischmann efforts are being made real.

      • jimbo92107

        Last I saw, Pons is retired, suffering from Parkinson’s but still cognizant. He’s aware of the upswing in LENR, which makes him smile.

    • psi2u2

      Exactly, and if you study their history and qualifications it would appear that few scientists in the world were better equipped to accurately measure fine temperature variations, which suggests at the outset that the failures to replicate were the result of errors of method, including measurement and calibration, not the other way around. Fleischman was one of the world’s most respected electrochemists. Electrochemistry is not physics, yet the physicists passed judgement on it because the results contradicted their theory, and then ignored successful replications because they themselves could not achieve them and they were not achievable a hundred percent of the time. Even a few replications would have suggested to an objective observer that the phenomenon was likely to be real.

      Instead, dogma reigned.

      • jimbo92107

        Also bear in mind that the F&P experiment did not pop up from nowhere. There was a whole history of researchers witnessing signs of anomalous heat and other signs of LENR, but these signs kept getting denied, ignored or simply dropped.

        The tragedy was that they did not understand what kind of nuclear reaction they were producing, or how sensitive was the reaction environment to small changes in materials and procedures.

        • psi2u2

          Indeed. Good point. The larger context, as well as the individual lab results, all point to a real phenomenon, poorly understood in the days of P & F, but now increasingly replicable and understood, partly anyway, on theoretical basis.

  • georgehants

    Good page of comments, will add that my only purpose in following Cold Fusion is that it has the potential to improve the World and save lives.
    I have no interest in making the rich richer or those who already have everything they need having bigger SUV’s etc.
    I have no interest in patents or excessive profit that have helped lead to the state the World is now in.
    ———
    “We may have different religions, different languages, different colored skin, but
    we all belong to one human race.”
    Kofi Annan

  • Gerrit

    “All this might be confirmed by the third party institute, that has been controlling the heat plant 24/7 with video cameras.”

    The pathological disbelievers will demand to watch the full video footage before they will … suddenly disintegrate.

    • psi2u2

      Perhaps a little like the melting of the wicked witch, Mary Yugo, in the Wizard of Oz?

      • wpj

        Seems like MY has already decided; a firm response that it is a total scam and that ML has been taken in (again). Posted on ML’s blog posting.

        • psi2u2

          Thanks for the report. Nothing new here to see or think about. We’ll have to wait for the “I’m melting….” line. Or maybe it will be more like “you have already melted but haven’t notice yet!” — ????

    • Andreas Moraitis

      “Well, I have no time watch these videos…and as long as I did not watch them, all the claims are unproven and therefore of no interest.”

      • Gerrit

        “And I do not need to watch the videos, because I already know the ecat is a scam”

        • LilyLover

          “I would have watched the videos but what’s the point, they are fake anyway!”
          “You see, if they can fake a device, they can easily fake a video.”

          “La La La La La La La La”

          • Gerrit

            The the moon landing videos were also fake.

  • Gerrit

    “All this might be confirmed by the third party institute, that has been controlling the heat plant 24/7 with video cameras.”

    The pathological disbelievers will demand to watch the full video footage before they will … suddenly disintegrate.

    • psi2u2

      Perhaps a little like the melting of the wicked witch, Mary Yugo, in the Wizard of Oz?

      • wpj

        Seems like MY has already decided; a firm response that it is a total scam and that ML has been taken in (again). Posted on ML’s blog posting.

        • psi2u2

          Thanks for the report. Nothing new here to see or think about. We’ll have to wait for the “I’m melting….” line. Or maybe it will be more like “you have already melted but haven’t notice yet!” — ????

    • Andreas Moraitis

      “Well, I have no time watch these videos…and as long as I did not watch them, all the claims are unproven and therefore of no interest.”

      • Gerrit

        “And I do not need to watch the videos, because I already know the ecat is a scam”

        • LilyLover

          “I would have watched the videos but what’s the point, they are fake anyway!”
          “You see, if they can fake a device, they can easily fake a video.”

          “La La La La La La La La”

          • Gerrit

            The the moon landing videos were also fake.

  • pg

    Mats do you have an idea of some companies/billionaires that have had access to the plant?

    • LilyLover

      Rest assured – the in-person visits don’t matter. They have full reporting available at their fingertips. It’s a battle of choice between enrichment through perpetual US hegemony or joining the global NWO. Nobody wants to be the first to be back-stabbed by the other group. Hence, the Dragon wins. Not Lion, not Elephant, not the Python, but the old, wise, ambitious and enigmatic dragon wins.

  • pg

    Mats do you have an idea of some companies/billionaires that have had access to the plant?

    • LilyLover

      Rest assured – the in-person visits don’t matter. They have full reporting available at their fingertips. It’s a battle of choice between enrichment through perpetual US hegemony or joining the global NWO. Nobody wants to be the first to be back-stabbed by the other group. Hence, the Dragon wins. Not Lion, not Elephant, not the Python, but the old, wise, ambitious and enigmatic dragon wins.

  • Dr. Mike

    roseland67,
    My guess is he report will only attempt to cover #1 of your listed items, although I certainly agree that a report covering all 7 of your items would make for a much better report.
    Dr. Mike

  • psi2u2

    Terrific. Thanks for the news, Mats and Frank!

  • psi2u2

    Terrific. Thanks for the news, Mats and Frank!

  • Michel Vandenberghe

    Hello Mats, Franck, y 2 cents opinion 🙂 I think what is the most important is not the technological proof but the market proof. What would unleash investment will be the proof that there are effective manufacturing agreements with China, US and some others. If there is manufacturing agreement there’s working product. What is important is the core technology, not the product. Core technology cannot be protected and msut not be protected. I bet that the LENR law will soon such as “effective power density will double every 6 months” Thus will decrease size, weight, raw materials costs, enable wider integration and so on… The only way for any company with a as usual business model is to be in a position to propose a return on investment short enough to get customers to invest in the product. Do not forget how much value this technology will destroy at first…
    Best,
    Michel.

    • Alain Samoun

      Salut Michel:
      Even at 1 million a piece made in the US or in Europe, the 1MW thermal plant is currently competitive with the other types of energy – No need to make it in China. For example: I checked the solar panels price for my home it’s now about $15,000 If we are 300 households sharing a LENR Plant in a collective financial structure, we will pay 1,000,000/300 ~ $3,300 each – about 3/4 years ROI. The solution is political,the economy is already settle, we will need to get rid of the powerful interests who will try to keep the status-co. Anyway that is in my opinion.

      • Michel Vandenberghe

        Hello Alain, you show that investment in LENR is cheaper that Solar as In both case, energy usage cost is 0. For a given value (energy usage cost drops from X to 0), and considering that LENR investment will decrease quickly for a given need, ROI will be faster and the only way for the industrialist to stay competitive will be to reduce its product life cycle, in fact to move at the end… to a Green consumer products business for Energy… With siginificant investment in engineering there’s some chance to validate the ‘LENR law’ during the first 5 years 🙂 Then how to design a serious business to be a key player of the emerging LENR industry…

        • Alain Samoun

          Well,the coming changes in the economy and the society at large are going to be so huge that, at the end, I wonder if we will still in a market economy… We will see

          • Michel Vandenberghe

            Yes. being a key player of the emerging LENR industry requires to think how to engage with such market transition that is to say with an business model designed in order to develop the technology in a way to transform the whole old world to fuel the transition 🙂 In other words, and in practice, a true alliance between the innovators and the established companies…. We have the same kind of issue with the blockchain technology and with some other prospective disruptive technologies. run or to die…

          • Alain Samoun

            “established companies” I’m not sure that will be the right way to proceed as the established companies are used to certain habits and most will consider LENR disruptive to their way of life – making profit the easy way – Even in China the system will resist to changes. It may be better to appeal to the small businesses or individual end user directly: Buy your system on amazon if it is possible or go to communities as suggested by Tom Kaminski above.

          • Michel Vandenberghe

            some companies will understand the message : “Disrupt your own company – Before LENR disrupts it for you”

      • Thomas Kaminski

        You also have to factor in the cost of building the thermal distribution infrastructure to calculate ROI. I suspect that the costs of the “steam tunnels” will exceed the cost of the thermal plant in existing suburban neighborhoods. On the other hand, for high-rise dwellings housing for 300 families probably already have central distribution networks for heating and cooling.

        • Alain Samoun

          You are right,at first the existing infrastructures will be used. But of course with an E-CatX the same scenario will be simplified, no pipes, and maybe individual source of electricity in household?

  • Michel Vandenberghe

    Hello Mats, Franck, y 2 cents opinion 🙂 I think what is the most important is not the technological proof but the market proof. What would unleash investment will be the proof that there are effective manufacturing agreements with China, US and some others. If there is manufacturing agreement there’s working product. What is important is the core technology, not the product. Core technology cannot be protected and msut not be protected. I bet that the LENR law will soon such as “effective power density will double every 6 months” Thus will decrease size, weight, raw materials costs, enable wider integration and so on… The only way for any company with a as usual business model is to be in a position to propose a return on investment short enough to get customers to invest in the product. Do not forget how much value this technology will destroy at first…
    Best,
    Michel.

    • Alain Samoun

      Salut Michel:
      Even at 1 million a piece made in the US or in Europe, the 1MW thermal plant is currently competitive with the other types of energy – No need to make it in China. For example: I checked the solar panels price for my home it’s now about $15,000 If we are 300 households sharing a LENR Plant in a collective financial structure, we will pay 1,000,000/300 ~ $3,300 each – about 3/4 years ROI. The solution is political,the economy is already settle, we will need to get rid of the powerful interests who will try to keep the status-co. Anyway that is in my opinion.

      • Michel Vandenberghe

        Hello Alain, you show that investment in LENR is cheaper that Solar as In both case, energy usage cost is 0. For a given value (energy usage cost drops from X to 0), and considering that LENR investment will decrease quickly for a given need, ROI will be faster and the only way for the industrialist to stay competitive will be to reduce its product life cycle, in fact to move at the end… to a Green consumer products business for Energy… With siginificant investment in engineering there’s some chance to validate the ‘LENR law’ during the first 5 years 🙂 Then how to design a serious business to be a key player of the emerging LENR industry…

        • Alain Samoun

          Well,the coming changes in the economy and the society at large are going to be so huge that, at the end, I wonder if we will still in a market economy… We will see

          • Michel Vandenberghe

            Yes. being a key player of the emerging LENR industry requires to think how to engage with such market transition that is to say with an business model designed in order to develop the technology in a way to transform the whole old world to fuel the transition 🙂 In other words, and in practice, a true alliance between the innovators and the established companies…. We have the same kind of issue with the blockchain technology and with some other prospective disruptive technologies. run or to die…

          • Alain Samoun

            “established companies” I’m not sure that will be the right way to proceed as the established companies are used to certain habits and most will consider LENR disruptive to their way of life – making profit the easy way – Even in China the system will resist to changes. It may be better to appeal to the small businesses or individual end user directly: Buy your system on amazon if it is possible or go to communities as suggested by Tom Kaminski above.

          • Michel Vandenberghe

            some companies will understand the message : “Disrupt your own company – Before LENR disrupts it for you”

      • Thomas Kaminski

        You also have to factor in the cost of building the thermal distribution infrastructure to calculate ROI. I suspect that the costs of the “steam tunnels” will exceed the cost of the thermal plant in existing suburban neighborhoods. On the other hand, for high-rise dwellings housing for 300 families probably already have central distribution networks for heating and cooling.

        • Alain Samoun

          You are right,at first the existing infrastructures will be used. But of course with an E-CatX the same scenario will be simplified, no pipes, and maybe individual source of electricity in household?

  • Mats002

    Those who write the report can count on that skeptics will question their personal interests and characters. They can’t possible be trustworthy, they are only individuals in a large company who are not part of their personal endevour, right?

  • Mats002

    Those who write the report can count on that skeptics will question their personal interests and characters. They can’t possible be trustworthy, they are only individuals in a large company who are not part of their personal endevour, right?

  • What we need is a news conference with a representative of the testing company explaining in general terms what happened. That would be VERY IMPORTANT for American politics and it is needed NOW to reshape the debate over energy policy.

    • LilyLover

      What we need is pre-requisite of quality-PhDs in Physics, Mathematics, Philosophy, Medicine etc. for someone to even be eligible to “run” for any public office.
      Simplification needs to be done BY them. NOT FOR them.
      …Hence the ruin of American / Global future.

  • What we need is a news conference with a representative of the testing company explaining in general terms what happened. That would be VERY IMPORTANT for American politics and it is needed NOW to reshape the debate over energy policy.

    • Christina

      Yeah, so they don’t start on the infernal pipeline when the e-cat is in the offing!

      • I was thinking more of avoiding throwing more billions down the drain on worthless biofuels, windmills, and solar cells. I don’t think the pipeline will be built anyway because of economic conditions that exist right now. Why pump expensive oil from Canada when we have the cheap stuff right here and surpluses in Saudi Arabia soon to be joined by Iran’s new happy-fun pumping party. Canadian oil from the tar sands requires higher oil prices to make money.

        “Syncrude Canada Ltd, a joint venture project in northern Alberta at which mined oil sands bitumen is upgraded into refinery-ready synthetic crude has a break-even production costs of C$57 ($43.46) a barrel, according to a presentation from Siren Fisekci, vice president of investor and corporate relations.”

        http://ca.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idCAKCN0QO25I20150819

        Global warming hysteria + E-Cat technology = an explosion of technological progress.

        So, I repeat, please Mr. Rossi and Industrial Heat LLC, do have a press conference.

        • LilyLover

          Treat solar cells with respect. They are like an old grandma.

          • Solar cells are great for pocket calculators, weather stations, and off-grid cabins. Otherwise they have been a destructive, costly failure that amounts to corporate welfare for the Chinese companies that make them. Solar, wind, and biofuels have turned into corrupt , greedy, dishonest special interest groups that demand money from government like baby eagles chirping to be constantly fed. The supporters of the renewable energy fad are among the most dishonest people in the world. On one hand they falsely claim that solar is now “cheaper than coal” while on the other hand they cry out for more mandates and subsidies. Truly cost effective energy systems do not need mandates. The free market will decide which is the best product at the lowest price. Big brother energy policy does not work and has a body count in the millions, causing more avoidable deaths of innocent people than war and terrorism combined, and that is just the biofuel scam alone. The wind and solar scam crushed the economies of Spain and Greece, and rich Germany wasted billions on solar schemes that are so inefficient it is truly absurd. I love my photovoltaic pocket calculator. Use the right tool for the right job!

          • LilyLover

            You have distorted view of price and value. Won’t go in detail today. Solar has saved more lives than US Military has killed.
            Gets lesser subsidies than oil, corn and sugar.
            Lumping wind with biofuels with solar is immoral.

          • Solar has saved lives in the form of weather and communications satellites. That is using the right tool for the right job. Per amount of usable energy we get back from solar, the subsidies and mandates are outrageous and far more than subsidies for oil, coal, and natural gas . Oil is keeping us all alive, and those who vilify oil are slandering a product that created modern industrialized civilization. We would not have even been born without oil, and we would not have modern medicine or transportation or enough food to feed over 7 billion people. That said, I oppose all subsidies and mandates across the board. Those who have made windmills and solar schemes a religion have done great harm. Some of the biggest crimes of world history are conducted by people with good intentions, but who lack a proper and honest understanding of what they are doing. High energy prices kill jobs, make people poor, and increase misery. Most environmental groups don’t care about that. They live in a dream world and they refuse to face the real numbers. After all the hype and billions of dollars thrown down the drain, solar energy provides less than a half a percent of US electricity.

          • Alain Samoun

            Here you are again Christopher… Wanting to replace fossil energy and atomic fission by clean green energy, not polluting our air and water, like with Solar panels,wind mills and soon,we hope, LENR, is obviously necessary. In fact people like you will benefit of it like the rest of us. Forget your stocks in oil and coal, it’s not worth it 😉

          • Roland

            Renewables, wind and PV in that order, constituted 68% of 2015s new electrical production in the USA. What do you know that seems to elude those brain dead US electrical producers?

          • You are talking propaganda. Sure, Obama, Jerry Brown, and other politicians are wasting huge amounts of money forcing up energy and food prices requiring and subsidising “renewable” energy schemes that cannot compete in the marketplace on their own merit. It’s like a beauty contest when all the judges are bribed and have guns pointed at their heads telling them to vote for the Mafia Don’s daughter. You are bragging about how much new money is being wasted on window dressing energy schemes that do not work. The real test is what technologies produce the most efficient electricity at the lowest price. The current marketplace winner is natural gas. Legacy hydroelectric is the all time king, but we cannot build many new Hoover Dams. LENR has the reliability and energy density needed to replace fossil fuels. The renewable energy religion has been destructive because zealots have been trying to replace a reliable and energy dense energy source with an unreliable and highly diffuse energy source that goes on and off by intrinsic nature. When you have emotion but no reason you fail when it comes to energy production. All the Hollywood stars like the emotional, feel good energy sources because emotion is all they know.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OQMBdcbMTc

          • Roland

            SRI completed an exhaustive analysis of the ‘harvestable’ global wind energy at the 280ft. level above ground, the height of typical turbines, over 15 years ago.

            The conclusions, in their report, were that the total instantaneous power available from wind was on the order of 60terawatts continuous, current total global energy demand is 14-15terawatts electrical equivalent.

            Furthermore they concluded that if wind turbines were manufactured like automobiles, instead of hand built like aircraft, that the capital costs would plummet and wind power companies would be able to produce electricity, Capex included, for $.01/kWh.

            Talking to you about the verifiably obvious is akin to discussing the merits of the ex USSR with George, or arguing with Flat Earthers. As you can see I’ve taken one aspect of Trumpism to heart by renouncing PC, previously known as common curtesy, and calling ignorance as I see it.

            Try reading more and regurgitating Koch sponsored disinformation less.

          • you’re doubt a great job Roland.

            I will just add this

            Chris Nelder ‏@chrisnelder retweeted

            Solar power is well on its way to being free.

            Justin Gerdes tweeted
            Palo Alto signs a contract with Hecate Energy to buy solar power for just 3.676 cents/kWh: http://bit.ly/1SWYHj3

          • Roland

            Exactly; I doubt Rossi picked a targeted production cost of $.005/kWh out of a hat, he knows that he and LENR aren’t the only pony in the race.

          • Wait… there is more.

            Bloomberg:

            “The race for renewable energy has passed a turning point. The world is now adding more capacity for renewable power each year than coal, natural gas, and oil combined. And there’s no going back.

            The shift occurred in 2013, when the world added 143 gigawatts of renewable electricity capacity, compared with 141 gigawatts in new plants that burn fossil fuels, according to an analysis presented Tuesday at the Bloomberg New Energy Finance annual summit in New York. The shift will continue to accelerate, and by 2030 more than four times as much renewable capacity will be added. ”

            The price of wind and solar power continues to plummet, and is now on par or cheaper than grid electricity in many areas of the world. Solar, the newest major source of energy in the mix, makes up less than 1 percent of the electricity market today but could be the world’s biggest single source by 2050, according to the International Energy Agency.

            The question is no longer if the world will transition to cleaner energy, but how long it will take.”

            http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-14/fossil-fuels-just-lost-the-race-against-renewables

          • Wild speculative theory and reality are two different things. End all energy subsidies and mandates across the board and let consumers decide what energy systems they want. If consumers want wind and solar, let them have it, but they must pay for it themselves with their own money. Get the politicians out of the equation. The USA is supposed to stand for “freedom,” which means free choice and free markets. Big Brother energy policy does not work.

          • Roland

            Politicians are in the equation, Warren Buffet purchased a utility in Nevada and lobbied the state legislature to reverse legislation that allowed householders to sell electricity into the grid. Musk’ companies, you see, were having an impact on business.

            On a Global basis government controlled electrical utilities vastly out perform private utilities, to the chagrin of those who offered privatization as a panacea to public investment in infrastructure. The same corporate arc occurred in public water distribution where various third world governments, and the local populace, at every level suffered significant system impairment and radically escalating delivered costs by drinking your Kool aid.

            You want more unpleasant, to you, facts? I’ve got lots…

          • Local energy companies and states should not be forced by the federal government to favor any energy system. That is obviously what I am talking about. I hope LENR will provide low cost and reliable energy. Just because I hope that does not mean I want the federal government to force consumers to buy LENR products or subsidise LENR products. I am not a thug. What are you?

          • Roland

            Thoughtful and relatively well informed.

          • I wonder If it was the oil or the coal industry that put out this video.

          • It is my video that I made for zero dollars on my home computer. I find the church of renewable energy is very predictable. They don’t understand issues; they can’t debate effectively because their ideas are obviously faulty, so they almost always resort to condemning non-believers as working for the devil, aka oil, coal, and natural gas. Their basic problem is none of them think for themselves. The tape recorder function of their brains work, so they can pass on the same propaganda from one person to the next, but they never themselves analyze the numbers and the facts and the history of energy production and put it all into a coherent picture. I put it into a short video. I also have a video on the biofuel scam. Google *The Global Biofuel Disaster*. Obviously, as I am praying that LENR is a big success, I am also hoping that LENR will make burning fossil fuels for energy obsolete. If I owned stock in fossil fuels, that would obviously go against my financial interests. But when people just react without ever thinking for themselves, they don’t even have the ability to figure out such simple things, let alone the basic problem of trying to replace a banquet with a potato chip, which is what the renewable energy religion is all about. Only HIGH ENERGY DENSITY, reliable, 24-7-365 capable energy systems can replace fossil fuels. But “green” people cannot even understand that one simple sentence.

          • I appreciate that Christopher, but your video seems highly biased. Many of the wind turbines you showed are away from houses which eliminates a lot of the problems. Lager turbines spin a lot slower than they used to killing less birds. Perhaps they will find a way to lower the amount. Don’t write them off yet. Where I live individual towns are making a profit off remote wind turbines, plus you made the statement “They will ALWAYS require fossil fuel back-up.” That’s why your video sounds like something sponsored by Exxon.

          • You cannot back up windmills with fission nuclear energy, and it is very difficult with hydroelectric power. You need a backup source that can be turned on quickly and dialed up and down in power levels easily. Normally, natural gas is used to backup windmills in the USA. The be more exact, windmills are used to save a little natural gas in the USA. So we spend huge amounts of money and increase electricity rates significantly and all we do is save a little bit of natural gas. That is economic insanity, and even the federal government’s own National Research Council found that solar schemes and windmills have not significantly reduced CO2 emissions. So why do it? If you end all subsidies and mandates for wind power, how many new industrial wind turbines will be built? The free market is much smarter than our politicians.

            http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=18299&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nationalacademies%2Fna+%28News+from+the+National+Academies

        • Omega Z

          Christopher,

          break-even production costs of C$57 ($43.46) a barrel-
          With E-cat heat taken into account-
          break-even production costs of C$5.70 ($4.35) a barrel-

          Eventually, little will be used for energy production, but Oil, N-Gas, and Coal will all continue to be used. They’re all used as feed stock for various purposes and as the price of these feed stocks decline, they will be used to a much greater extent and in products that current prices prohibit..

        • cashmemorz

          There was a statement made by an oil producer to the effect that if LENR devices become available then oil producers will use those LENR devices to cut the cost of extracting oil.

          • Great. We will always need oil and natural gas to make chemicals, plastics, pave roads, ink, paint, medicines, laundry detergent, fertilizer, etc. We just won’t need any fossil fuels for energy production, which means we will need a hell of a lot less oil and natural gas, and many of the products we turn them into can be recycled. We certainly will not have to import any oil.

    • LilyLover

      What we need is pre-requisite of quality-PhDs in Physics, Mathematics, Philosophy, Medicine etc. for someone to even be eligible to “run” for any public office.
      Simplification needs to be done BY them. NOT FOR them.
      …Hence the ruin of American / Global future.

  • Christina

    At the power Mr. Lewan states, will this facilitate our becoming space-faring in this solar system, Frank? I ask this, because the only time the U.S.A. seemed to really pull together an everybody-has-a-job-who-wants-one economy was when the space race was on.

    I still consider Mr. BTE Dan’s idea to be good because it advocates building permanent platforms in space.

    Thank you for answering. 🙂

    • Frank Acland

      I’m sorry, but I’m not able to answer your question, Christina. I don’t think there’s enough information out there yet. Remember that this plant is old-style E-Cat technology, and Andrea seems to have all his attention now on the E-Cat X.

    • LION

      Christina-you may find the following link of interest– http://etheric.com/nassikas-thruster-light-years-ahead-of-the-dawn-spacecraft-ion-propulsion-system/ The Space Industry is going through Huge change, development and innovation, with many players contributing. For sure Andria Rossie’s technology will have a huge impact.

    • LilyLover

      You remember those old Russian jokes about space shuttle and bread lines?
      With present day political apathy amongst people, they’ll hope to achieve something like – Round trip to Jupiter – 2 hours. Ticket price – $100. Ticket purchase permit security check 3 years + $50,000; Permit to “click the buy ticket button” 6 months + $3000; Passanger license temporary permit $1,000,000; Military “Keep your children safe and happy” surcharge – $500,000 + 20 years of bonded “service”. Yea, not far off.

    • Roland

      The major impediment to becoming a space faring culture is that we live at the bottom of a gravity well that imposes a very steep tax on every kilo lifted to orbit with our current technology. Once out of the gravity well there is abundant energy in the form of photons and much more energetic particles that never reach earth’s surface.

      There are a number of emergent technologies that could, potentially, be piggy-back on LENR in space; notably Ion Drives and EM drives which both require electricity and rail guns arcing up remote equatorial mountains to which freight is delivered by modern dirigibles and lifted to orbit with a 100gs of acceleration powered by capacitors recharged by LENR.

      Constant acceleration, the holy grail of near future space commerce, even at rates as low as .05gs leads to startling good numbers for reaching the Ooort Cloud to do a little prospecting; and at a continuous 1g (half way out to a turnover point and decelerate at 1 g) times to Jupiter are just under 2 weeks.

      Currently ion drives are powered by plutonium and make about .005gs till the propelled matter, you’re kicking polarized particles out the back at fairly high speed, runs out. Newton would understand perfectly.

      The not yet built EM drive’s designers hope for .1 g and no propellants. Would E-cats help? Yeah. Would Newton approve? I think he’d be a little confused.

  • Christina

    At the power Mr. Lewan states, will this facilitate our becoming space-faring in this solar system, Frank? I ask this, because the only time the U.S.A. seemed to really pull together an everybody-has-a-job-who-wants-one economy was when the space race was on.

    I still consider Mr. BTE Dan’s idea to be good because it advocates building permanent platforms in space.

    Thank you for answering. 🙂

    • Frank Acland

      I’m sorry, but I’m not able to answer your question, Christina. I don’t think there’s enough information out there yet. Remember that this plant is old-style E-Cat technology, and Andrea seems to have all his attention now on the E-Cat X.

      • Christina

        Okay.

        Thank you, Frank.

    • LION

      Christina-you may find the following link of interest– http://etheric.com/nassikas-thruster-light-years-ahead-of-the-dawn-spacecraft-ion-propulsion-system/ The Space Industry is going through Huge change, development and innovation, with many players contributing. For sure Andria Rossie’s technology will have a huge impact.

      • Christina

        Interesting!

        Thank you Lion.

    • LilyLover

      You remember those old Russian jokes about space shuttle and bread lines?
      With present day political apathy amongst people, they’ll hope to achieve something like – Round trip to Jupiter – 2 hours. Ticket price – $100. Ticket purchase permit security check 3 years + $50,000; Permit to “click the buy ticket button” 6 months + $3000; Passanger license temporary permit $1,000,000; Military “Keep your children safe and happy” surcharge – $500,000 + 20 years of bonded “service”. Yea, not far off.

    • Roland

      The major impediment to becoming a space faring culture is that we live at the bottom of a gravity well that imposes a very steep tax on every kilo lifted to orbit with our current technology. Once out of the gravity well there is abundant energy in the form of photons and much more energetic particles that never reach earth’s surface.

      There are a number of emergent technologies that could, potentially, be piggy-back on LENR in space; notably Ion Drives and EM drives which both require electricity and rail guns arcing up remote equatorial mountains to which freight is delivered by modern dirigibles and lifted to orbit with a 100gs of acceleration powered by capacitors recharged by LENR.

      Constant acceleration, the holy grail of near future space commerce, even at rates as low as .05gs leads to startling good numbers for reaching the Ooort Cloud to do a little prospecting; and at a continuous 1g (half way out to a turnover point and decelerate at 1 g) times to Jupiter are just under 2 weeks.

      Currently ion drives are powered by plutonium and make about .005gs till the propelled matter, you’re kicking polarized particles out the back at fairly high speed, runs out. Newton would understand perfectly.

      The not yet built EM drive’s designers hope for .1 g and no propellants. Would E-cats help? Yeah. Would Newton approve? I think he’d be a little confused.

  • LilyLover

    That’s called “internal audit”, “pending investigation”, “people familiar with the matter said”, “the best in “class*” according to consumer research* of 2016*”, “policy aligned with our vision statement to integrate ethics and law with the delicate mandate for profit”, “purple heart award”, “I didn’t do it… I don’t know that woman…”, “…in the best interest of America”, “…American Exceptionalism…” … If you are still not satisfied … I can put the Energizer bunny here to finish my sentence with unlimited examples.

  • I was thinking more of avoiding throwing more billions down the drain on worthless biofuels, windmills, and solar cells. I don’t think the pipeline will be built anyway because of economic conditions that exist right now. Why pump expensive oil from Canada when we have the cheap stuff right here and surpluses in Saudi Arabia soon to be joined by Iran’s new happy-fun pumping party. Canadian oil from the tar sands requires higher oil prices to make money.

    “Syncrude Canada Ltd, a joint venture project in northern Alberta at which mined oil sands bitumen is upgraded into refinery-ready synthetic crude has a break-even production costs of C$57 ($43.46) a barrel, according to a presentation from Siren Fisekci, vice president of investor and corporate relations.”

    http://ca.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idCAKCN0QO25I20150819

    Global warming hysteria + E-Cat technology = an explosion of technological progress.

    So, I repeat, please Mr. Rossi and Industrial Heat LLC, do have a press conference.

    • LilyLover

      Treat solar cells with respect. They are like an old grandma.

      • Solar cells are great for pocket calculators, weather stations, and off-grid cabins. Otherwise they have been a destructive, costly failure that amounts to corporate welfare for the Chinese companies that make them. Solar, wind, and biofuels have turned into corrupt , greedy, dishonest special interest groups that demand money from government like baby eagles chirping to be constantly feed. The supporters of the renewable energy fad are among the most dishonest people in the world. On one hand they falsely claim that solar is now “cheaper than coal” while on the other hand they cry out for more mandates and subsidies. Truly cost effective energy systems do not need mandates. The free market will decide which is the best product at the lowest price. Big brother energy policy does not work and has a body count in the millions, causing more avoidable deaths of innocent people than war and terrorism combined, and that is just the biofuel scam alone. The wind and solar scam crushed Spain and Greece economically, and rich Germany wasted billions of solar schemes that are so inefficient it is truly absurd. I love my photovoltaic pocket calculator. Use the right tool for the right job!

        • LilyLover

          You have distorted view of price and value. Won’t go in detail today. Solar has saved more lives than US Military has killed.
          Gets lesser subsidies than oil, corn and sugar.
          Lumping wind with biofuels with solar is immoral.

          • Solar has saved lives in the form of weather and communications satellites. That is using the right tool for the right job. Per amount of usable energy we get back from solar, the subsidies and mandates are outrageous and far more than subsidies for oil, coal, and natural gas . Oil is keeping us all alive, and those who vilify oil are slandering a product that created modern industrialized civilization. We would not have even been born without oil, and we would not have modern medicine or transportation or enough food to feed over 7 billion people. That said, I oppose all subsidies and mandates across the board. Those who have made windmills and solar schemes a religion have done great harm. Some of the biggest crimes of world history are conducted by people with good intentions, but who lack a proper and honest understanding of what they are doing. High energy prices kill jobs, make people poor, and increase misery. Most environmental groups don’t care about about of that. They live in a dream world and they refuse to face the real numbers. After all the hype and billions of dollars thrown down the drain, solar energy provides less than a half a percent of US electricity.

          • Alain Samoun

            Here you are again Christopher… Wanting to replace fossil energy and atomic fission by clean green energy, not polluting our air and water, like with Solar panels,wind mills and soon,we hope, LENR, is obviously necessary. In fact people like you will benefit of it like the rest of us. Forget your stocks in oil and coal, it’s not worth it 😉

          • Roland

            Renewables, wind and PV in that order, constituted 68% of 2015s new electrical production in the USA. What do you know that seems to elude those brain dead US electrical producers?

          • You are talking propaganda. Sure, Obama, Jerry Brown, and other politicians are wasting huge amounts of money forcing up energy and food prices requiring and subsidising “renewable” energy schemes that cannot compete in the marketplace on their own merit. It’s like a beauty contest when all the judges are bribed and have guns pointed at their heads telling them to vote for the Mafia Don’s daughter. You are bragging about how much new money is being wasted on window dressing energy schemes that do not work. The real test is what technologies produce the most efficient electricity at the lowest price. The current marketplace winner is natural gas. Legacy hydroelectric is the all time king, but we cannot build many new Hoover Dams. LENR has the reliability and energy density needed to replace fossil fuels. The renewable energy religion has been destructive because zealots have been trying to replace a reliable and energy dense energy source with an unreliable and highly diffuse energy source that goes on and off by intrinsic nature. When you have emotion but no reason you fail when it comes to energy production. All the Hollywood stars like the emotional, feel good energy sources because emotion is all they know.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OQMBdcbMTc

          • Roland

            SRI completed an exhaustive analysis of the ‘harvestable’ global wind energy at the 280ft. level above ground, the height of typical turbines, over 15 years ago.

            The conclusions, in their report, were that the total instantaneous power available from wind was on the order of 60terawatts continuous, current total global energy demand is 14-15terawatts electrical equivalent.

            Furthermore they concluded that if wind turbines were manufactured like automobiles, instead of hand built like aircraft, that the capital costs would plummet and wind power companies would be able to produce electricity, Capex included, for $.01/kWh.

            Talking to you about the verifiably obvious is akin to discussing the merits of the ex USSR with George, or arguing with Flat Earthers. As you can see I’ve taken one aspect of Trumpism to heart by renouncing PC, previously known as common curtesy, and calling ignorance as I see it.

            Try reading more and regurgitating Koch sponsored disinformation less.

          • Wild speculative theory and reality are two different things. End all energy subsidies and mandates across the board and let consumers decide what energy systems they want. If consumers want wind and solar, let them have it, but they must pay for it themselves with their own money. Get the politicians out of the equation. The USA is supposed to stand for “freedom,” which means free choice and free markets. Big Brother energy policy does not work.

          • Roland

            Politicians are in the equation, Warren Buffet purchased a utility in Nevada and lobbied the state legislature to reverse legislation that allowed householders to sell electricity into the grid. Musk’ companies, you see, were having an impact on business.

            On a Global basis government controlled electrical utilities vastly out perform private utilities, to the chagrin of those who offered privatization as a panacea to public investment in infrastructure. The same corporate arc occurred in public water distribution where various third world governments, and the local populace, at every level suffered significant system impairment and radically escalating delivered costs by drinking your Kool aid.

            You want more unpleasant, to you, facts? I’ve got lots…

          • Local energy companies and states should not be forced by the federal government to favor any energy system. That is obviously what I am talking about. I hope LENR will provide low cost and reliable energy. Just because I hope that does not mean I want the federal government to force consumers to buy LENR products or subsidise LENR products. I am not a thug. What are you?

          • Roland

            Thoughtful and relatively well informed.

          • I wonder If it was the oil or the coal industry that put out this video.

          • It is my video that I made for zero dollars on my home computer. I find the church of renewable energy is very predictable. They don’t understand issues; they can’t debate effectively because their ideas are obviously faulty, so they almost always resort to condemning non-believers as working for the devil, aka oil, coal, and natural gas. Their basic problem is none of them think for themselves. The tape recorder function of their brains work, so they can pass on the same propaganda from one person to the next, but they never themselves analyze the numbers and the facts and the history of energy production and put it all into a coherent picture. I put it into a short video. I also have a video on the biofuel scam. Google *The Global Biofuel Disaster*. Obviously, as I am praying that LENR is a big success, I am also hoping that LENR will make burning fossil fuels for energy obsolete. If I owned stock in fossil fuels, that would obviously go against my financial own interests. But when people just react without ever thinking for themselves, they don’t even have the ability to figure out such simple things, let alone the basic problem of trying to replace a banquet with a potato chip, which is what the renewable energy religion is all about. Only HIGH ENERGY DENSITY, reliable, 24-7-365 capable energy systems can replace fossil fuels. But “green” people cannot even understand that one simple sentence.

          • I appreciate that Christopher, but your video seems highly biased. Many of the wind turbines you showed are away from houses which eliminates a lot of the problems. Lager turbines spin a lot slower than they used to killing less birds. Perhaps they will find a way to lower the amount. Don’t write them off yet. Where I live individual towns are making a profit off remote wind turbines, plus you made the statement “They will ALWAYS require fossil fuel back-up.” That’s why your video sounds like something sponsored by Exxon.

          • You cannot back up windmills with fission nuclear energy, and it is very difficult with hydroelectric power. You need a backup source that can be turned on quickly and dialed up and down in power levels easily. Normally, natural gas is used to backup windmills in the USA. The be more exact, windmills are used to save a little natural gas in the USA. So we spend huge amounts of money and increase electricity rates significantly and all we do is save a little bit of natural gas. That is economic insanity, and even the federal government’s own National Research Council found that solar schemes and windmills have not significantly reduced CO2 emissions. So why do it? If you end all subsidies and mandates for wind power, how many new industrial wind turbines will be built? The free market is much smarter than our politicians.

            http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=18299&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nationalacademies%2Fna+%28News+from+the+National+Academies

    • Omega Z

      Christopher,

      break-even production costs of C$57 ($43.46) a barrel-
      With E-cat heat taken into account-
      break-even production costs of C$5.70 ($4.35) a barrel-

      Eventually, little will be used for energy production, but Oil, N-Gas, and Coal will all continue to be used. They’re all used as feed stock for various purposes and as the price of these feed stocks decline, they will be used to a much greater extent and in products that current prices prohibit..

  • Roland

    UL is a third party certification institute. The likely party, in this case, has been mentioned previously in these threads and is based in France; if I could produce the name from memory you’d have it. Suffice it to say that there are a number of these organizations internationally that primarily provide safety certification for all manner of products, most of which is demanded by insurance companies as an aspect of determining liability for claims payments.

    For example if you have a house fire caused by a non certified device your insurance company will refuse to honour your policy, hence the UL, or other, certificate on relevant devices sold in the first world.

  • Roland

    Exactly; I doubt Rossi picked a targeted production cost of $.005/kWh out of a hat, he knows that he and LENR aren’t the only pony in the race.

  • Barbierir

    It’s almost touching how Maryyugo and others stand firm in their conspiracy theories.

    • Roland

      Perhaps Frank would hold a poll and query our insights into MY’s CV, motivation, identity and vulnerability to hacking revealing all.

      My first question would be:

      Is Mary Yugo a woman?

      Secondly; are her opinions for sale?

      Is he or she driven by unknowable inner demons?

      Is this ideology or merely obdurate obtuseness?

      If, in a couple of years, a salesperson drops by her house will he sign up for leased E-cat that integrates seamlessly into her electrical and H/VAC at 25% of his ongoing costs?

      Will a clever hacker discover our girl’s true identity?

      The possibilities are nearly endless and would give us something to amuse away the dry spells.

      • Bob Greenyer

        If I was Rossi and I had what I claimed – it would be a good idea to have someone like MY on my payroll.

        • I’d consider suing MY for libel.

        • GreenWin

          Even were MY ‘a convicted felon?’ Spooky.

      • Obvious

        Perhaps we could try that out on you? And certainly poking a stick into the hornet’s nest is unwise anyways.

        • Roland

          Once upon a time I would have agreed with you, now I think that time has passed and MY has become a spent force in service to a dying cause.

          P.S. My name is actually Roland and I have absolutely nothing to hide.

          • Obvious

            Roland, I am glad for you that you are happy to be as public as the world wants. Not everyone would share that view.
            Perhaps it is the future of data availability anyways…
            I have noticed that the generation born with easy internet as a “normal thing” seems to feel that way about an open internet life.
            Not that I am profiling you in any way, although maybe you would be OK with that…

          • Slad

            General (forum) etiquette also precludes anonymous slander

          • Obvious

            That’s right. And gets people booted from this forum. And others. Note that they usually don’t try to sneak back in.
            What they might do elsewhere, and what someone might want to do about it, well that’s trickier. One could go be a vigilante web stalker. Essentially becoming what one didn’t like in the first place, but from one’s own superior point of view…

      • Slad

        No, No, Yes, Same thing, ???, Already happened:

        https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg62587.html

      • Jarea
        • Roland

          Fascinating, thank you.

  • Barbierir

    It’s almost touching how Maryyugo and others stand firm in their conspiracy theories.

    • Roland

      Perhaps Frank would hold a poll and query our insights into MY’s CV, motivation, identity and vulnerability to hacking revealing all.

      My first question would be:

      Is Mary Yugo a woman?

      Secondly; are her opinions for sale?

      Is he or she driven by unknowable inner demons?

      Is this ideology or merely obdurate obtuseness?

      If, in a couple of years, a salesperson drops by her house will he sign up for leased E-cat that integrates seamlessly into her electrical and H/VAC at 25% of his ongoing costs?

      Will a clever hacker discover our girl’s true identity?

      The possibilities are nearly endless and would give us something to amuse away the dry spells.

      • Bob Greenyer

        If I was Rossi and I had what I claimed – it would be a good idea to have someone like MY on my payroll.

        • I’d consider suing MY for libel.

        • GreenWin

          Even were MY ‘a convicted felon?’ Spooky.

      • Obvious

        Perhaps we could try that out on you? And certainly poking a stick into the hornet’s nest is unwise anyways.

        • Roland

          Once upon a time I would have agreed with you, now I think that time has passed and MY has become a spent force in service to a dying cause.

          P.S. My name is actually Roland and I have absolutely nothing to hide.

          • Obvious

            Roland, I am glad for you that you are happy to be as public as the world wants. Not everyone would share that view.
            Perhaps it is the future of data availability anyways…
            I have noticed that the generation born with easy internet as a “normal thing” seems to feel that way about an open internet life.
            Not that I am profiling you in any way, although maybe you would be OK with that…

            Anyways, general forum etiquette is that exposing someone else’s real ID when they use a pseudonym is in very poor taste. (It may be a direct violation of the forum rules). If it were rampant, many people will not join in the conversation, for a variety of good and possibly bad reasons. The jerks can be sorted out pretty quick regardless. It is the multiple ID lunatics that are the real nuisance.

          • Slad

            General (and forum) etiquette also precludes anonymous slander

          • Obvious

            That’s right. And gets people booted from this forum. And others. Note that they usually don’t try to sneak back in.
            What they might do elsewhere, and what someone might want to do about it, well that’s trickier. One could go be a vigilante web stalker. Essentially becoming what one didn’t like in the first place, but from one’s own superior point of view…

      • Slad

        No,
        Probably not,
        Yes,
        Same thing,
        It’ll depend upon the manager of the nursing home,
        Already happened: https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg62587.html

      • Jarea
        • Roland

          Fascinating, thank you.

  • Fedir Mykhaylov

    It is the right idea Omega Z about how to use e-cat for the extraction of bitumen oil in Canada. Wide field of application for low-grade heat-e Cat.

  • Paul Smith
    • Buck

      Here is a little history for the French online journal Mediapart, with a reported circulation of 112,000. I like that they are regarded as an investigative journal . . . it points to their eagerness to dig up the facts.

      LINK>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediapart

  • psi2u2

    Indeed. Good point. The larger context, as well as the individual lab results, all point to a real phenomenon, poorly understood in the days of P & F, but now increasingly replicable and understood, partly anyway, on theoretical basis.