American Physical Society Meeting on Cold Fusion/LENR in Salt Lake City with Holmlid and Olafsson

Thanks to Artefact, Bob Greenyer and others for sharing about this event:

This notice comes from the Bulletin of the American Physical Society here: http://meetings.aps.org/Meeting/APR16/Session/E11.9

APS April Meeting 2016
Saturday–Tuesday, April 16–19, 2016; Salt Lake City, Utah
Session E11: Energy Research and Applications
3:30 PM–5:18 PM, Saturday, April 16, 2016
Room: 250C

Abstract: E11.00009 : Rydberg phases of Hydrogen and low energy nuclear reactions
5:06 PM–5:18 PM
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Authors:
Sveinn Olafsson
(Faculty of Physical Sciences, University of Iceland, Reykjavik, Iceland)

Leif Holmlid
(Atmospheric Science, Department of Chemistry and Molecular Biology, University of Gothenburg, SE-412 96 Goteborg, Sweden)

For over the last 26 years the science of cold fusion/LENR has been researched around the world with slow pace of progress. Modest quantity of excess heat and signatures of nuclear transmutation and helium production have been confirmed in experiments and theoretical work has only resulted in a large flora of inadequate theoretical scenarios. Here we review current state of research in Rydberg matter of Hydrogen that is showing strong signature of nuclear processes. In the presentation experimental behavior of Rydberg matter of hydrogen is described. An extensive collaboration effort of surface physics, catalysis, atomic physics, solid state physics, nuclear physics and quantum information is need to tackle the surprising experimental results that have so far been obtained. Rydberg matter of Hydrogen is the only known state of matter that is able to bring huge collection of protons to so short distances and for so long time that tunneling becomes a reasonable process for making low energy nuclear reactions. Nuclear quantum entanglement can also become realistic process at theses conditions.

  • Bob Greenyer

    HUGE!

    • Michael W Wolf

      Too little too late. Maybe they’ll have a theory by the time the world goes lenr.

      • GreenWin

        The APS President Samuel H. Aronson should issue a full public apology to the families of Drs. Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons – before anyone speaks of cold fusion at an APS event. But being arrogant and unrepentant the APS & Mr. Aronson would rather utter this line…

        “I am ill. Let me go home; send
        the deed after me, and I will sign over half my
        riches to my daughter.”
        Merchant of Venice

        …than to apologize for its monstrous wrongs.

        • roseland67

          Greenwin,

          Highly doubtful,
          But I will buy a ticket to that

  • Alan DeAngelis

    The APS needs to upstage the June 2016 New Energy World
    Symposium to control the narrative.

    Even as late as 2009 they weren’t too happy with the 60 Minutes piece on cold fusion. “On April 23, just days after posting the full
    segment on its website, CBS pulled the video due to a complaint filed by the American Physical Society (APS) the previous day.”
    http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue85/60minutes.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBoJTFQMQZM

  • Alan DeAngelis

    The APS needs to upstage the June 2016 New Energy World
    Symposium to control the narrative.

    Even as late as 2009 they weren’t too happy with the 60 Minutes piece on cold fusion. “On April 23, just days after posting the full
    segment on its website, CBS pulled the video due to a complaint filed by the American Physical Society (APS) the previous day.”
    http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue85/60minutes.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBoJTFQMQZM

  • etburg

    I just have to say, if this means that the chilly indifference of the mainstream scientific community is starting to thaw, the fact that the first strong evidence of that should occur in Salt Lake, the site of Fleischman and Pons announcement and public disgrace 27 or so years ago chokes me up a bit. Of course, the APS can still cancel the session, say it was just a mistake, etc…

  • GreenWin

    Heresy! The American Physical Society are now proprietors of VOODOO SCIENCE; stumbling down the road From Foolishness to Fraud, built by… The American Physical Society.

  • GreenWin

    Heresy! The American Physical Society are now proprietors of VOODOO SCIENCE; stumbling down the road From Foolishness to Fraud, built by… The American Physical Society.

  • Robert Ellefson

    In light of the confirmation of extensive reports of flying pigs, the APS has apparently elected to follow the advice to “get out of the road if you want to grow old.” 🙂

  • etburg

    My previous comment seems to be stuck in review but I just wanted to note how fitting, or ironic it is that this is being held in Salt Lake…

  • radvar

    “It was a simple mis-understanding.”
    “It was a training exercise.”
    “The letter got lost in the mail.”
    “These things happen.”
    “You have to understand, there were many factors involved.”
    “The dog ate my homework.”

  • Anon2012_2014

    APS. Hmmph! Almost can’t believe it.

  • builditnow

    I wonder if this is relevant.
    APS’s “free speech” policy, which remains in effect. Anyone can talk for
    10 minutes about any physical idea, as long as they have a membership
    card or an invitation. These talks go into a special session, where cold
    fusion and overturning Einstein are the norm. But the words make it
    into the air and onto the record.

    • I agree.
      I think this is just an informative presentation, but does not represent a turning opinion of APS regarding LENR.

      We often celebrated here after such announcements and were deeply disappointed afterwards. We should be careful and not overinterpret this.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        My impression also.

      • artefact

        I saw this morning that is only 12 minutes.
        The headline could be changed to something like “Holmlid and Olafsson to give a presentaion about Cold Fusion / LENR at the American Physical Society Meeting in Salt Lake City”

        • Yes, the headline here is very misleading and seems to imply a big meeting about LENR only.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            They are also the last presentation of the session whose other presentations deal with conventional energies. Often the most obscure, the most unrelated or the highest risk to be cancelled talk is scheduled at the end.

      • Bob Greenyer

        You may be right.

        How magnanimous of them /sarc off

        Perhaps it is an Olive Branch…

        In Moscow – they do this once a week at the Friendship University (one of the 2 main Universities in a city of 12million) – except there are no shackles of 10minutes and very senior people both attend and ask serious questions.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        The number and composition of listeners might be informative, though. A jam-packed room, with some large-calibre professors in the first row would be a sign that something has changed. A few scattered students in the audience certainly not. So it seems as if we will have to wait for the event until we can adequately evaluate its significance.

    • Axil Axil

      Could this be a recruiting campaign where Holmlid is asking professional scientists to risk vocational jeopardy to look more deeply into those unworldly processes that are going on inside Holmlid’s experiments?

      Will the audience just enter into a 10 minute state of puzzlement and confusion but at the end of the perplexing presentation, these professionals as is their custom drift lazily back with a shake of the head to the surety and comfort of the fantasy world that they love so much and that their lives are devoted to?

  • builditnow

    I wonder if this is relevant.
    APS’s “free speech” policy, which remains in effect. Anyone can talk for
    10 minutes about any physical idea, as long as they have a membership
    card or an invitation. These talks go into a special session, where cold
    fusion and overturning Einstein are the norm. But the words make it
    into the air and onto the record.

    • I agree.
      This is just one of a series of small (~10 minutes) informative presentations, but does not indicate a turning opinion of APS regarding LENR.

      We often celebrated here after such announcements and were deeply disappointed afterwards. We should be careful and not overinterpret this.

      I see similarities to the LENR 101 of Hagelstein at MIT. It’s just held at MIT, using a room there, but is not officially hosted by MIT.

      So I think this is neither “huge”, like some scream here, nor it will get much media attention.

      It’s just a yearly event where APS turns two blind eyes to “fringe science” subjects.
      May sound hard, but that’s it.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        My impression also.

      • artefact

        I saw this morning that it is only 12 minutes.
        The headline could be changed to something like “Holmlid and Olafsson to give a presentation about Cold Fusion / LENR at the American Physical Society Meeting in Salt Lake City”

        • Yes, the headline here is very misleading and seems to imply a big meeting about LENR only.

          But the “meeting” is covering several different topics, where LENR is just a small part.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            They are also the last presentation of the session whose other presentations deal with conventional energies. Often the most obscure, the most unrelated or the highest risk to be cancelled talk is scheduled at the end.

      • Bob Greenyer

        You may be right.

        How magnanimous of them /sarc off

        Perhaps it is an Olive Branch…

        In Moscow – they do this once a week at the Friendship University (one of the 2 main Universities in a city of 12million) – except there are no shackles of 10minutes and very senior people both attend and ask serious questions.

        It is a long way for two Scandinavian scientists to travel for 10 minutes, if no other behind the scenes meetings were to occur – why not just Skype in?

        • JohnF

          Bob,
          Any chance your recent efforts with MFMP replication of the ‘Rosi Effect’ will make it into the APS discussions/presentations

      • Andreas Moraitis

        The number and composition of listeners might be informative, though. A jam-packed room, with some large-calibre professors in the first row would be a sign that something has changed. A few scattered students in the audience certainly not. So it seems as if we will have to wait for the event until we can adequately evaluate its significance.

    • Axil Axil

      Could this be a recruiting campaign where Holmlid is asking professional scientists to risk vocational jeopardy to look more deeply into those unworldly processes that are going on inside Holmlid’s experiments?

      Will the esteemed audience just enter into a 10 minute state of puzzlement and confusion with mouths agape and at the end of the perplexing presentation, these professionals as is their custom drift lazily back with a shake of the head to the surety and comfort of the fantasy world that they love so much and that their lives are devoted?

  • Gerard McEk

    In whatever short period they are able to give their tiny presentation. It might leave some doubt to the audience and maybe the thought that there is more between heaven and earth. If only one or two of the audience start thinking, then this trip is already worth while.

    • Optimist

      Olafsson did similar presentation last October in SRI meeting after the very interesting publications by Olafsson and Holmlid in July and Agust showing in a repeatable and fully disclosed experiment both nuclear footprint and energy generation. The interesting twist comparing this with other LENR activities is that they are not doing blackbox energy in/out counting but start with previous results of Rindberg mater formation, predict fusion reaction and demonstrate the result in an experiment

      https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz7lTfqkED9WN1NPdWttMC1RdEU/view?pli=1

      Holmlid followed up by demonstrating energy production with very high COP potential. The unpredicted results from the measures was however the formation of high energy mesons that suggests a nuclear process beond convetional fusion. Hope they have more information on that part in this presentation.

      What should interest the APS are the facts that they can simply go to their labs and replicate those findings with little effort and this can be proven with replications in few weeks or months. Denying to do so is willingly choosing to stay blind.

      • Stephen Taylor

        Thanks for that link. It has reference to all the papers I was looking for.
        Respecting all the caveats voiced below to limit our expectations, this is still a very important development. Holmlid’s work, if replicated, seems exceptionally powerful. Having the opportunity to talk about it at an APS meeting could stimulate replication attempts as you correctly said. So, twelve minutes is a short time to develop interest but if someone is paying attention maybe it is enough.

  • Gerard McEk

    In whatever short period they are able to give their tiny presentation. It might leave some doubt to the audience and maybe the thought that there is more between heaven and earth. If only one or two of the audience start thinking, then this trip is already worth while.

    • Optimist

      Olafsson did similar presentation last October in SRI meeting after the very interesting publications by Olafsson and Holmlid in July and Agust showing in a repeatable and fully disclosed experiment both nuclear footprint and energy generation. The interesting twist comparing this with other LENR activities is that they are not doing blackbox energy in/out counting but start with previous results of Rindberg mater formation, predict fusion reaction and demonstrate the result in an experiment

      https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz7lTfqkED9WN1NPdWttMC1RdEU/view?pli=1

      Holmlid followed up by demonstrating energy production with very high COP potential. The unpredicted results from the measures was however the formation of high energy mesons that suggests a nuclear process beond convetional fusion. Hope they have more information on that part in this presentation.

      What should interest the APS are the facts that they can simply go to their labs and replicate those findings with little effort and this can be proven with replications in few weeks or months. Denying to do so is willingly choosing to stay blind.

      • Stephen Taylor

        Thanks for that link. It has reference to all the papers I was looking for.
        Respecting all the caveats voiced below to limit our expectations, this is still a very important development. Holmlid’s work, if replicated, seems exceptionally powerful. Having the opportunity to talk about it at an APS meeting could stimulate replication attempts as you correctly said. So, twelve minutes is a short time to develop interest but if someone is paying attention maybe it is enough.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    The APS and academia can think what they want. Rossi run a factory
    for a year with his reactor.

    School’s out forever.

    Now we’re off to Sweden.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUugQoxS8_o

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Rossi RAN a factory…
      Don’t need no stink’n school.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    The APS and academia can think what they want. Rossi run a factory
    for a year with his reactor.

    School’s out forever.

    Now we’re off to Sweden.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUugQoxS8_o

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Rossi RAN a factory…
      Don’t need no stink’n school.

  • Tom59

    Or maybe: the report on the one year test just being out, the lecture will be packed with curious physicists and the press and the APS can narrowly avoid the shitstorm for their previous ignorance and hostility.

  • builditnow

    It’s a 12 minute talk in room 250C at the Salt Palace Convention Center, Salt Lake City. Room 250C appears to be able to hold 168 people in theater setup, or 88 in classroom setup.
    http://www.visitsaltlake.com/includes/content/docs/media/SaltPalaceFloorPlans2012.pdf

    The talks from 3:30pm to 5:18pm, in room 250C are each given 12 minutes, except for one which received 24 minutes. I’m guessing that this is the room for the “wacko’s” where APS has a policy of allowing anyone who is a member or has an invitation, to talk for 10 minutes, “no matter how crazy the person or talk is” or who will listen.

    I attended Sveinn Olafsson’s talk at SRI last year and found his results quiet credible, as an engineer / lay person. Additionally, it appeared to be an experiment that could be repeated in many labs around the world without too much difficulty. Perhaps someone will give it a try as it appears to be a novel discovery. Sveinn Olafsson might get some supporters.