Rossi: 'Exponential Progress' at Leonardo Factory In Florida

Thanks to a reader who sent me this interesting post from Andrea Rossi today.

Andrea Rossi
February 20, 2016 at 12:53 PM
Pietro F.:
Yes, the new factory of Leonardo Corporation in which the E-Cat X will be manufactured is in Florida. I must repeat F9, but I can add that in these very days we are making exponential progress. We are very close to be ready to make 1 million pcs/year, technologically speaking. From the moment I will decide that we are ready to start to the moment in which we will start the production line, it will take not more than 3 months. All is already organized. Now that I can give to this concern my full time, we are advancing very fast.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Andrea Rossi has said that can’t and won’t say anything about the results of the test until the results are delivered until he has received the report from the referee. Rossi has said that he has compared his own test results with those of the referee over the course of the test, and they have been close — so I’m sure he has a very good idea of what to expect from the referee.

Rossi has also said consistently that the industrial phase of the E-Cat’s development would begin if the 1MW plant test was a success, so maybe his obvious excitement about his new-found freedom from the container, and activity in the new factory is an indication that things went well.

  • artefact

    Nice 🙂

  • artefact

    Nice 🙂
    Exciting

  • bfast

    Christmas is coming! Christmas is coming!

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  • Sylvie Cemoi

    I don’t understand, he speaks about the production of the e-cat X, right?
    But he just made a 1 year long test of the 1 MW e-cat plant and is waiting for the results, so why isn’t he talking of the production of 1 MW e-cat plants?

    He got a patent for an e-cat but which one? Is it the 1 MW or the e-cat X? Or maybe both?

    Is he planning to make a 1 year long test on the e-cat X?

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Yes, he speaks about production of E-cat X. He isn’t talking about production of 1 MW old-tech plants because that is taken care of by a different team. Rossi thinks that the patent covers also the E-cat X. No, he’s not planning a new 1-year test.

    • DrD

      He gave a categoric “NO”.

  • Sylvie Cemoi

    I don’t understand, he speaks about the production of the e-cat X, right?
    But he just made a 1 year long test of the 1 MW e-cat plant and is waiting for the results, so why isn’t he talking of the production of 1 MW e-cat plants?

    He got a patent for an e-cat but which one? Is it the 1 MW or the e-cat X? Or maybe both?

    Is he planning to make a 1 year long test on the e-cat X?

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Yes, he speaks about production of E-cat X. He isn’t talking about production of 1 MW old-tech plants because that is taken care of by a different team. Rossi thinks that the patent covers also the E-cat X. No, he’s not planning a new 1-year test.

      • Gerald

        It looks like he got more and more backup. E-cat x is an evolution and probably the way to go. The 1 MW test has opened doors. Lets hope this book has an open end and a lot of sequels will come.

    • Dms

      He certainly changes course quickly. He seems quickly distracted, not a great sign for someone running a business Hope he gets help with this endevour

      • I suspect Mr. Rossi is just very happy and confident that the E-Cat X will work reliably, and better than the old style E-Cat. They both work on the same basic principles.

    • DrD

      He gave a categoric “NO”.

  • Okay, when they are now setting up a factory for mass production, this really indicates a positive result.

    Didn’t Rossi say that they will only begin the manufacturing preparations when the test results are positive??

  • Okay, when they are now setting up a factory for mass production, this really indicates a positive result.

    Didn’t Rossi say that they will only begin the manufacturing preparations when the test results are positive??

  • Frank Acland

    Maybe the funding for the production will only be released after a positive report is issued by the referee.

    • pg

      Think so too.

  • Frank Acland

    Maybe the funding for the production will only be released after a positive report is issued by the referee.

    • pg

      Think so too.

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Andrea Rossi
    February 20, 2016 at 12:39 PM
    Eernie1:
    No, we are not collecting pre-orders, because all the pre-orders we got from the E-Cat will be automatically turned to the E-Cat X.
    This is why we are programming a production of 1 million pieces in the first year of manufacturing. F9.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

    • NT

      Hopefully this includes the Home Units that have been preordered over these past years?

      • LarryJ

        The ecatx core reactor will eventually be used to power the domestic units but he is still working on their safety certification. I assume the initial production will be for his high temperature industrial reactors. He does have certification for those.

        • NT

          Hmmm, you interpretation does not fit as I understand his message as quoted ” because all the pre-orders we got from the E-Cat will be automatically turned to the E-Cat X.”

          • LarryJ

            Many of the pre orders are for industrial plants.

          • NT

            One million of preorders for industrial plants is wishful thinking at this point in time IMHO, but who knows for sure except Rossi and his corporate insiders. Rossi sometimes speaks in riddles which leaves much to be interpreted by his followers…

          • LarryJ

            Rossi has never given a breakdown of order types. It is likely that domestic units ordered would outnumber industrial units but the dollar value and reactor cores required for industrial units could outnumber that for domestic units.

          • NT

            I repeat LarryJ – Rossi say’s above that ” because all the pre-orders we got from the E-Cat will be automatically turned to the E-Cat X.” I assume ALL means all (both Industrial and Home units)…

          • LarryJ

            My point was that just because he is converting all pre orders to ecatx does not mean that any of the first years million pieces of production will be used for domestic units as they are still uncertified.

          • NT

            Home units not YET certified, understood!

          • TomR

            It is very possible that they are certified but it hasn’t been announced.

          • LarryJ

            Exactly what I said from the start. Understood!

            “The ecatx core reactor will eventually be used to power the domestic units but he is still working on their safety certification. I assume the initial production will be for his high temperature industrial reactors. “

      • Michael W Wolf

        yes, that is what Rossi was implying. I think.

    • Gerald

      Hope mine from 2011 is still valid. The video of Rossi and Focardi speaking about the phenomena was for me the prove. That were real people talking about something amazing.

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Andrea Rossi
    February 20, 2016 at 12:39 PM
    Eernie1:
    No, we are not collecting pre-orders, because all the pre-orders we got from the E-Cat will be automatically turned to the E-Cat X.
    This is why we are programming a production of 1 million pieces in the first year of manufacturing. F9.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

    • NT

      Hopefully this includes the Home Units that have been preordered over these past years?

      • LarryJ

        The ecatx core reactor will eventually be used to power the domestic units but he is still working on their safety certification. I assume the initial production will be for his high temperature industrial reactors. He does have certification for those.

        • NT

          Hmmm, you interpretation does not fit as I understand his message as quoted ” because all the pre-orders we got from the E-Cat will be automatically turned to the E-Cat X.”

          • LarryJ

            Many of the pre orders are for industrial plants.

          • NT

            One million of preorders for industrial plants is wishful thinking at this point in time IMHO, but who knows for sure except Rossi and his corporate insiders. Rossi sometimes speaks in riddles which leaves much to be interpreted by his followers…

          • LarryJ

            Rossi has never given a breakdown of order types. It is likely that domestic units ordered would outnumber industrial units but the dollar value and reactor cores required for industrial units could outnumber that for domestic units.

          • NT

            I repeat LarryJ – Rossi say’s above that ” because all the pre-orders we got from the E-Cat will be automatically turned to the E-Cat X.” I assume ALL means all (both Industrial and Home units)…

          • LarryJ

            My point was that just because he is converting all pre orders to ecatx does not mean that any of the first years million pieces of production will be used for domestic units as they are still uncertified.

          • NT

            Home units not YET certified, understood!

          • TomR

            It is very possible that they are certified but it hasn’t been announced.

          • clovis ray

            Hi, Tom.
            Glad your commenting, more these days, and i agree that when the L/T
            cat is certified, it’s patent covers, all e-cats, even the X cat i would bet.

          • LarryJ

            Exactly what I said from the start. Understood!

            “The ecatx core reactor will eventually be used to power the domestic units but he is still working on their safety certification. I assume the initial production will be for his high temperature industrial reactors. “

      • Michael W Wolf

        yes, that is what Rossi was implying. I think.

    • Gerald

      Hope mine from 2011 is still valid. The video of Rossi and Focardi speaking about the phenomena was for me the prove. That were real people talking about something amazing.

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  • Bob Greenyer

    American Physical Society to hold Meeting on Cold Fusion/LENR in Salt Lake City

    3:30 PM–5:18 PM, Saturday, April 16, 2016

    http://goo.gl/nn5efN

    Authors:
    Sveinn Olafsson
    (Faculty of Physical Sciences, University of Iceland, Reykjavik, Iceland)

    Leif Holmlid
    (Atmospheric Science, Department of Chemistry and Molecular Biology, University of Gothenburg, SE-412 96 Goteborg, Sweden)

    • Alan DeAngelis
    • Stephen Taylor

      This really is MAINSTREAM huge. Let’s hope it goes well. Seems it is not directly a discussion of the most important recent work but will certainly be an opportunity for informal discussion of same.

      • artefact

        The LENR engines are preheating.

      • Stephen Taylor

        Reading again the abstract leaves open the possible discussion of most recent and exciting experiments. I cannot find the link to Holmlid’s most recent papers. Does anyone have it at hand?

        • Buck

          Heath . . . . Wow ! ! ! !

          If there is truth in this quote about ITPR#1, then as far as I’m concerned Pres. Obama was made aware of ITPR#2 and this recent 1yr Pilot Plant test.

          Pres. Obama is very willing to communicate using the leverage of symbolism . . . this only increases the probability of an announcement on the F&P anniversary.

          Time will tell what happens.

          • psi2u2

            My sources suggest that Obama has been well informed for some time.

    • Alan DeAngelis
  • Bob Greenyer

    American Physical Society to hold Meeting on Cold Fusion/LENR in Salt Lake City

    3:30 PM–5:18 PM, Saturday, April 16, 2016

    http://goo.gl/nn5efN

    Authors:
    Sveinn Olafsson
    (Faculty of Physical Sciences, University of Iceland, Reykjavik, Iceland)

    Leif Holmlid
    (Atmospheric Science, Department of Chemistry and Molecular Biology, University of Gothenburg, SE-412 96 Goteborg, Sweden)

    This is MASSIVE news… place that P&F gave their announcement and HOSTED by the APS!

    • Alan DeAngelis
    • Stephen Taylor

      This really is MAINSTREAM huge. Let’s hope it goes well. Seems it is not directly a discussion of the most important recent work but will certainly be an opportunity for informal discussion of same.

      • artefact

        The LENR engines are preheating.

      • Stephen Taylor

        Reading again the abstract leaves open the possible discussion of most recent and exciting experiments. I cannot find the link to Holmlid’s most recent papers. Does anyone have it at hand?

    • bachcole

      Notice that the two authors are Scandinavians.

      • Mats002

        Noticed 🙂

      • Bob Greenyer

        Its cold – what can you say – the right place for this kind of research!

        • bachcole

          What I can say is very politically incorrect, since we are all supposed to be equal, but: In general, Scandinavians are the best people in the world with regard to social harmony, insight, education, tolerance, longevity, open mindedness, etc. What a wonderful change from 1100 years ago when Blood Eagles were popular. I got to say that over the millennium, they are definitely the most improved. Of course, Germany has made some serious improvement over the past 80 years.

          Of course, they are not perfect.

          Unfortunately their tolerance is getting them into some seriously deep yogurt. And that statement is also politically incorrect. (:->)

    • Alan DeAngelis
    • Stefenski

      That IS to much of a coincidence. Does it mean that these individuals were involved with the E-Cat, or at least have information on it’s operation.

      Now they hold a meeting, with the knowledge that they are going to have a much larger story to Tell than the “Modest quantity of excess heat ” they at present summarise.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Time will tell – perhaps it is just an open microphone session – but it is a long way to travel for the researchers if no one is expected to listen.

  • Ophelia Rump

    It is time for a new countdown clock.

    Purchased separately, the grid tie power converter for a 10 kw unit would cost thousands. I hope that Dottore Rossi will be including the power treatment in the units and bring the cost down for us all.

    • Frank Acland

      Hi OR — we have one running for the approximate expected date of test results being reported — you have something else in mind?

      • Bob Greenyer

        one till the APS meeting

        • artefact

          The meeting is one month later.

          edit: hey, you changed your text 🙂

          • Bob Greenyer

            That is why we need a new counter – an ADDITIONAL one

          • Mats002

            Maybe – but the current counter should aim 6 days later to the 23 of March, you now what happened that particular day Bob.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes… I know!

      • Ophelia Rump

        The factory line start date would be a nice target, the test is over isn’t it?

        • NT

          Hi OR, I believe that the factory line startup will be the date Rossi receives the independant report – if results are positive. So, Frank’s countdown is correct according to everthing that ‘Rossi Say’s’…

          • Ophelia Rump

            “From the moment I will decide that we are ready to start to the moment in which we will start the production line, it will take not more than 3 months.”

            Oh sorry I realize that he is saying that the three months begins the moment he decides that they are ready to start, whatever that means. No new countdown timer until he decides he is ready to start.

          • NT

            Ok Ophelia. Lets hope it is soon and the independant report is very positive…

          • William D. Fleming

            Am I mixed up? I read that production will start on the EcatX, which has nothing to do with the report. Is it a typo?

    • jimbo92107

      Ironically, Rossi’s own price reductions won’t be possible until other industries are taking advantage of his Cat technology. Until then, they will all be pricing their own products according to the exorbitant price of fossil fuels.

      However, it does bring up the idea of barter. Rossi could make deals with his material suppliers to trade his Cat products for discounts on materials for making more Cats. That way the whole Cat-making industry could soon be running on LENR power, which would bring them tremendous cost advantages.

      • TomR

        I think at one million plus per year, the price reductions will be there. Andrea Rossi has had a long time to organize this and it is probably a done deal, waiting for Rossi to give the green flag.

        • LarryJ

          I think the million pieces per year would refer to rector cores and not reactors. If one core/piece put out 10 kw then a 1 Mw reactor would require 100 pieces.That would give you 10,000 1 Mw ecatx reactors the first year. Added to that would be IH’s production of low temp ecat reactors.

    • LT

      A 10 kW power converter unit will cost here in Europe about 1500 Euro. While that is more then 1000 dollars, it is not thousands of dollars !

  • henk

    This sounds like the old optimistic Rossi again. He must have made substantial progress lately, maybe not only technically but also in the certification area??
    But as in the past he seems to underestimate the time needed to bring a product from prototype to production. This is hardware, not software!
    Certainly if you plan on producing large quantities and your product uses newly developed materials it is wise to do extensive life-testing with many samples under different conditions and applications. Most probably these tests will lead to product modifications which have to be tested again. (and worst case need new certification.)
    This whole process can easily take one year or more.
    But rushing a product to market and then having to do a massive recall can be very costly.

    • clovis ray

      HI, Henk,
      I think he is as usual ahead of our thought process, and has been building thing for a great long while, in preparation for his product .

  • bachcole

    Keep in mind that Tesla demonstrated with his life that highly creative thinkers can lose their marbles as they get older. I sure would love to see something more than “Rossi says” concerning these recent developments.

    • David Taylor-Fuller

      I so SO wish I could upvote you more than once.

      • bachcole

        Thank you, David. You did. I will brag about this to my son. (:->)

    • gerald

      Did he?? 😉 For sure one of the most amazing persons ever in science..

      • bachcole

        Yes he did. The wireless transmission of power (not signals) is absurd. And this is only one of his lost marbles. The power will go every possible way. Our radio and television stations are exactly what he envisioned for broadcasting power, and we need special little boxes with intricate circuits and amplifiers just to catch the signals. But there is more.

    • LarryJ

      I don’t think Tesla ever lost his marbles. He was always an eccentric and an extremely imaginative free thinker as well as an incredibly poor businessman. Over the course of his life he had many crazy ideas but many of them actually worked. Towards the end he was broke, stubbornly independant and enjoyed feeding the pidgeons but then again so do a lot of seniors.

      • bachcole

        How do you explain is continual boosting of the wireless transmission of power?

        • LarryJ

          The experiment I think you are refrrring to was cancelled by his corporate sponsor before he had a chance to complete it. We will never know for sure how it might have turned out. It might have failed but there is no proof the idea was any crazier than cold fusion.

          • bachcole

            I really like you, LarryJ, but you are all wet on this one. It wasn’t just an experiment. It was his life’s obsession. And even during WWII he and other’s after he died working from his drawings and directions couldn’t get a directed energy weapon to work.

  • bachcole

    I do not disbelieve. But I confess that I am in the area of uncertainty. And my biggest worry is what happened to Tesla. I need confirmation from a disinterested party about the E-CatX and the factory. A positive report about the 1 MW test would be very encouraging.

  • Fyodor

    I don’t want to be dismissive, but Rossi has always been really..optimistic about commercial production. His original 2011 announcement said that he’d be selling products in a month. I am dubious that the E-Cat X can go from something about which he can’t even give performance data to something ready for mass production in three months.

    • roseland67

      Fyodor,

      Tesla model III Or Ecat?
      Which will you be able to buy first?

    • Dms

      I agree

      While I love this reality show, his timelines are not realistic

      Even if he could get approvals, creating an infrastructure for 1 million units takes time, money and a great deal of engineering

      And even if he did all of that, his product would be shut down within weeks unless their is agreement as to the theory of how this all works. Can you just see the first lawsuit from some family whose kid gets cancer living next to a house with one of these units. And physicist stand up and say it is an unexplained reaction. It is just not realistic to think it would even be approved until the science is settled

      I think this is why darden calls his firm industrial heat and that is where it will stay for years in my opinion

      • passerby

        That is more how Europe works than the USA. In europe when you put out a product, say, a cosmetic made with some novel chemical, you need to prove it is safe beforehand. Here in the US it is the opposite, the same chemical needs no approval and is assumed safe until proven otherwise. It is a much more lax regulatory environment.

      • LarryJ

        It could be years before we have a well tested theory of how this works. All they have to prove is safety which was one of the primary goals of the one year test. Do you seriously believe the US will abandon its commanding lead in the market waiting for a bullet proof theory?

        As for the timeline, keep in mind that another goal of the one year test was to assure investors that they have something worth making. Rossi and IH have known this for months and they have been working feverishly for months preparing for the industrialization phase.They already have factories in place, production lines designed and equipment selected.

    • What difference does it make if he is making forward motion. They are business predictions which are highly unpredictable. If he gave up and folded then we’d have something to worry about.

    • Christina

      Gee, all of a sudden my arrow effects the carrot to raise the numbers.

      Rossi is just a genius and behaves as one. End of story.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Optimism comes with the profession of being a private entrepreneur. But one must also note carefully what he wrote: “We are very close to be ready to make 1 million pcs/year,
      technologically speaking. From the moment I will decide that we are
      ready to start to the moment in which we will start the production line,
      it will take not more than 3 months.” What he says could well be true, or at least it could be a realistic goal schedule assuming all goes well. He doesn’t mean to imply that he would necessarily sell those units in 3 months, or even after 1 year. He might sell them (either as industrial or home units) if he gets relevant certifications, but he might also put them in a farm owned by Leonardo and sell the electricity and heat. In both cases the statistics he gathers by running them will speed up certification.

      Producing one million units per year sounds a lot, but it only means that the factory spits out two units per minute. Two pencils per minute dropping into basket.

  • Mats002

    Noticed 🙂

  • Bob Greenyer

    Its cold – what can you say – the right place for this kind of research!

  • David Taylor-Fuller

    I so SO wish I could upvote you more than once.

  • GreenWin

    The APS Meeting is a rather clear indicator that Dr. Rossi is poised to humiliate essentially all of consensus science. Ding Dong… one witch is (nearly) D E A D.

    • bachcole

      What is an APS Meeting, but do so like the sound of what you are saying.

      • fritz194

        The _A_merican _P_hysical _S_ociety announced a meeting regarding CF in April…

        http://meetings.aps.org/Meeting/APR16/Session/E11.9

        • clovis ray

          HI, Henk,
          I think he is as usual ahead of our thought process, and has been building thing for a great long while, in preparation for his product .

  • GreenWin

    The APS Meeting is a rather clear indicator that Dr. Rossi is poised to humiliate essentially all of consensus science. Ding Dong… one witch is (nearly) D E A D.

    • bachcole

      What is an APS Meeting, but do so like the sound of what you are saying.

    • Andy Kumar

      With the discovery of gravitational waves, big science has added another feather in it’s cap. It won’t be that easily humbled!

      • GreenWin

        Indeed. Beneath such plumage one finds the brain of a bird. 😉

  • passerby

    That is more how Europe works than the USA. In europe when you put out a product, say, a cosmetic made with some novel chemical, you need to prove it is safe beforehand. Here in the US it is the opposite, the same chemical needs no approval and is assumed safe until proven otherwise. It is a much more lax regulatory environment.

  • INVENTOR INVENTED

    How many units will take to reduce the earths co2 levels?

    • Pekka Janhunen

      One should define “reduce” and depends on their power, but of the order of billion.

    • Gerard McEk

      If you want to REDUCE CO2, than you need to take the CO2 out of the atmosphere, not only reducing the outgas of cars and heating devices. Plants are the most efficient CO2 collectors. So use the E-cat also to produce sweet water, grow many, many plants and the the CO2 may go down, the earth will be more habitable and hunger may reduce. If less CO2 will also reduce the global warming, is to be seen.

  • INVENTOR INVENTED

    How many units will take to reduce the earths co2 levels?

    • Frank Cavalieri

      Co2 is not the problem
      The density of energy in space is the problem
      The density has risen 50000000
      Times it was Just 50 yrs ago
      We need to rise in vibration soon or we will not harmonize phase with the higher frequency
      In other words the planet is going into 4 density
      So we must raise our vibration or get it like a brick in the head.

      • INVENTOR INVENTED

        burn grass

    • Pekka Janhunen

      One should define “reduce” and depends on their power, but of the order of billion.

    • Gerard McEk

      If you want to REDUCE CO2, than you need to take the CO2 out of the atmosphere, not only reducing the outgas of cars and heating devices. Plants are the most efficient CO2 collectors. So use the E-cat also to produce sweet water, grow many, many plants and the the CO2 may go down, the earth will be more habitable and hunger may reduce. If less CO2 will also reduce the global warming, is to be seen.

      • INVENTOR INVENTED

        Good idea. We have to replace coal, oil and gas burning plants with Ecats as soon as possible. Plants absorb some of the CO2 that they emit. If we take away man made CO2 the balance of nature will be restored.

  • Axil Axil

    How and when will the DOE change the nuclear reactor program, or will it be business as usual with taxpayers money.

    • Certainly will be here in the UK – our nuclear obsessed tory politicians won’t let go of this particular toy until it is prised from their slavering jaws. Fortunately the whole plan seems to be falling apart under its own weight, as other similar schemes in France and Finland meet terminal safety issues and the French company concerned (EDF) faces huge financial problems.

  • Axil Axil

    How and when will the DOE change the nuclear reactor program, or will it be business as usual with taxpayers money.

    • Certainly will be here in the UK – our nuclear obsessed tory politicians won’t let go of this particular rag doll until it is prised from their slavering jaws. Fortunately the whole plan seems to be falling apart under its own weight, as other similar schemes in France and Finland meet terminal safety issues and the French company concerned (EDF) faces huge financial problems. One small additional straw is going to break this white elephant’s back very soon now.

  • wondering

    Rossi comes across as an unfazeable optimist which I suppose is a good thing or he’d given up already. But for the same reason his time estimates should be taken with a grain of salt.

  • akupaku

    To me this sounds overly optimistic. I think it is highly probable that Rossi or whoever produces these first units will run into problems in the first production runs similar to Steorn’s problems with their cubes and phones.

    I presume E-Cat (X) is controlled by a small computer chip (ARM?) and software though I don’t remember having seen any references to this. Are the control algorithms mature enough? Are they based on empirical data collected by try-and-fail methodology or are they based on some of the many theories about what is really going on in LENR? Is it certain that all possible scenarios are under control or is it possible that the reactor could in unexpected situations close down or overheat and melt or even explode?

    Then there might be certification problems. You can bet that some powerful interests will try to slow down or even stop E-Cat production, especially in the USA. Any number of protests could be brought forth from scam to potentially dangerous unknown physical processes. Remember Rossi was already once condemned to prison in Italy allegedly on false charges probably because he trod on some big toes. I think China might be a much easier place to start.

    I think we are still a loooong way off seeing E-Cats in widespread industrial use or in our homes and cars. I find it funny how many people here have such an highly emotional attitude to news on this site, either despairing of the slow progress or rejoicing an any small bit of good news. Better put some ice in your hats and cool down. Or maybe the proverb catches it correctly: “if there is no struggle, there is no progress”.

  • gerald

    Did he?? 😉 For sure one of the most amazing persons ever in science..

    • Bob Greenyer

      Time will tell – perhaps it is just an open microphone session – but it is a long way to travel for the researchers if no one is expected to listen.

  • Karl Venter

    I am surprised that at this late stage we dont know what an e cat x looks like
    If i were to buy one how would it fit into my existing hardware
    If i would like 50% electricity 50% heat can I have that
    I know I will buy whatever he has got but it would be nice to know what its going to look like
    Does it give off DC or AC — Inverter required?
    what will its power ratings be
    Surely thats not in the NDA
    If I were going to be making a million a year ( 10kW or 5kW) I would like to be sure that the Million are to be installed into Houses quite easily?

    Surely they have a plan. They have no competition and they dont want to tell us their plan?

    • LarryJ

      I think from what Rossi had said, predisclosure of any feature is a serious issue. Once Rossi gets his patents filed he will be able to say more.

  • Karl Venter

    I am surprised that at this late stage we dont know what an e cat x looks like
    If i were to buy one how would it fit into my existing hardware
    If i would like 50% electricity 50% heat can I have that
    I know I will buy whatever he has got but it would be nice to know what its going to look like
    Does it give off DC or AC — Inverter required?
    what will its power ratings be
    Surely thats not in the NDA
    If I were going to be making a million a year ( 10kW or 5kW) I would like to be sure that the Million are to be installed into Houses quite easily?

    Surely they have a plan. They have no competition and they dont want to tell us their plan?

    • LarryJ

      I think from what Rossi had said, predisclosure of any feature is a serious issue. Once Rossi gets his patents filed he will be able to say more.

  • LarryJ

    It could be years before we have a well tested theory of how this works. All they have to prove is safety which was one of the primary goals of the one year test. Do you seriously believe the US will abandon its commanding lead in the market waiting for a bullet proof theory?

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Andrea Rossi February 21, 2016 at 5:01 AM
    Ken:
    The E-Cat’s industrial version will see expanding its commercialization independently from the E-Cat X if the results of the 352 days test will be positive ( remember that the results could also be negative). We have to wait about one month now for the final report.
    The E-Cat X so far is in an R&D phase, which is very promising, but it is not yet a product. I am very optimistic about the fact that one industrial E-Cat X will be sold and put in operation within 2016, but I cannot guarantee it, because the R&D we are making could reserve bad surprises that could delay the program.
    These two lines of productions are independent and also the Teams dedicated to them are different and work n different locations, so far.
    The state of the art in this very moment is that both lines of products could fail. Nonetheless, we are working as hard as we can not to fail, but, again, much work has still to be done.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R”

    • Gerard McEk

      I think that if the 1MW test fails, Andrea will have huge difficulties in getting sufficient intrest in E-cat X. It could also have impact on the contract between AR and IH. These two E-cat systems are strongly related, technically but also commercially. So let us hope that the reports are clearly and undoubtely positive. The world is suspiciously watching.

      • wondering

        The test could fail in the area of *reliably* producing heat but still prove the technology to be working, the factory would surely notice 1MW extra energy being added to their energy supply even if not reliable. So it would require further refinement.

        For E-Cat X, if real and it really can produce electricity directly in excess of the output, that would be a much easier claim to prove to attract new interest. Much easier to measure produced electricity than heat.

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Andrea Rossi February 21, 2016 at 5:01 AM
    Ken:
    The E-Cat’s industrial version will see expanding its commercialization independently from the E-Cat X if the results of the 352 days test will be positive ( remember that the results could also be negative). We have to wait about one month now for the final report.
    The E-Cat X so far is in an R&D phase, which is very promising, but it is not yet a product. I am very optimistic about the fact that one industrial E-Cat X will be sold and put in operation within 2016, but I cannot guarantee it, because the R&D we are making could reserve bad surprises that could delay the program.
    These two lines of productions are independent and also the Teams dedicated to them are different and work n different locations, so far.
    The state of the art in this very moment is that both lines of products could fail. Nonetheless, we are working as hard as we can not to fail, but, again, much work has still to be done.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R”

    • Gerard McEk

      I think that if the 1MW test fails, Andrea will have huge difficulties in getting sufficient intrest in E-cat X. It could also have impact on the contract between AR and IH. These two E-cat systems are strongly related, technically but also commercially. So let us hope that the reports are clearly and undoubtely positive. The world is suspiciously watching.

      • wondering

        The test could fail in the area of *reliably* producing heat but still prove the technology to be working, the factory would surely notice 1MW extra energy being added to their energy supply even if not reliable. So it would require further refinement.

        For E-Cat X, if real and it really can produce electricity directly in excess of the output, that would be a much easier claim to prove to attract new interest. Much easier to measure produced electricity than heat.

  • LarryJ

    I don’t think Tesla ever lost his marbles. He was always an eccentric and an extremely imaginative free thinker as well as an incredibly poor businessman. Over the course of his life he had many crazy ideas and many of them actually worked. Towards the end he was broke, stubbornly independant and enjoyed feeding the pidgeons but then again so do a lot of seniors.

  • It does pay to read Rossi’s words very carefully.

    We are very close to be ready to make 1 million pcs/year, technologically speaking.

    So the technology for making a unit every 30 seconds or so is nearly available. Well, yes, adapting modern automated production methods make it possible to manufacture almost any fairly simple gadget at this kind of rate.

    From the moment I will decide that we are ready to start to the moment in which we will start the production line, it will take not more than 3 months.

    And from the moment Rossi decides to begin production (which could be any time at all from months to years) it will take about 3 additional months to actually begin production – which is probably not unreasonable, IF safety certifications and some kind of distribution network are already in place.

    But that doesn’t actually seem to be the short term plan:.

    The E-Cat X so far is in an R&D phase, which is very promising, but it is not yet a product. I am very optimistic about the fact that one industrial E-Cat X will be sold and put in operation within 2016, but I cannot guarantee it, because the R&D we are making could reserve bad surprises that could delay the program.” (underlining mine)

    This sounds very like the 1MW plant story to date. One unit is sold to a ‘customer’ who then tests it under field conditions for some extended period, and then (F9) if all is well a report is drawn up, and then safety certification tests begin, and then, at some point, Rossi decides to begin production – assuming no mods are necessary and the loop just repeats.

    Rossi seems to be inviting his followers to be drawn into another waiting game with no tangible evidence, and I for one intend to more or less ignore further vague ‘updates’ on ecat-x, and to continue to follow the progress of the 1MW industrial plant (as far as possible, given that information could well dry up at this point).

    • These two lines of productions are independent and also the Teams dedicated to them are different and work n different locations, so far.

      According to this latest comment by Rossi, the plans to mass production of the “low temp” ecat, which was used for the 350 days test, are still up.
      But it is done by anotber team.

      I guess it’s in the responsability of industrial heat, while the ecat x is propelled by Rossi’s Leonardo Corp.

      • Yes, that’s another implication that can be drawn. If so, then given IH’s not exactly gushing communications with observers like ourselves, the pickings seem likely to be rather slim from here on in (other than another year or so of pronouncements on JONP concerning ecat-x).

        • Yes, but with a well known and experienced company like Cherokee in the back, I’m sure IH will act very professional.

          If now everything is in IH/Cherokee’s hands, I’m sure we will see a successful market entry, even when it is not this year. They have the financial power and business knowledge which Rossi lacked.

          • I don’t doubt that, but I do doubt that we will be able to follow the story from now on. I suspect we’ll be as surprised as the rest of the world when news of commercially available cold fusion reactors (industrial only of course) finally leaks into the common awareness.

            Unfortunately, between now and then we’ll have no idea of whose hands the technology has ended up in, and therefore on whose timescale it will be introduced. IH is just Cherokee’s investment vehicle for this purpose, and actual manufacture and disrtibution will be carried out by whoever they sell or lease the IP to.

            While this could be a manufacturing company or companies, my bet is on a major player in the energy market – a multinational of some kind, probably one needing to replace nuclear fission as its core activity. Any such concern will ensure that the introduction doesn’t interfere with existing profit streams other than as they decide will be the case.

      • GreenWin

        Indeed. Beneath such plumage one finds the brain of a bird. 😉

    • GreenWin

      “1 million pieces/year…” Are potentially reactor cores; some number of which will be assembled into a system making a final unit. Why build capacity for E-Cat X – a new tech not yet piloted? Is he referring to volume production of E-Cat LT cores? Suggesting annual output of some 100k complete units?

      This Rossi post appears to address different items.

      • A fairly classic tactic of his, but I think he must be referring to ecat-X – at least if Barty has correctly ascertained that IH will now work towards a commercial version of the 1MW ‘LT’ ecat, while Leonardo (i.e., Rossi) works to develop ecat-X.

        • Rene

          I agree. I parse his statements as he is working out how to simplify the manufacturing process of the e-cat x so that once he has that figured out, then in three months he could set up a mass production factory line. That approach is eminently practical as it converts construction from custom or complex labor methods to automatic machine assembly. This is how one lowers the price of any technology based product.

          • As well as simplifying and optimising construction of e-cat x (if that’s what this part of his answers refer to) he also has to be thinking of applications. Presumably the main focus will be on electrical generation, but he will also need to work on the best ways to extract the heat component, if only to stop the things melting.

            It may become necessary to design a number of variants for different purposes, although hopefully a 10kW(e) + 10kW(t) CHP box will be among the first.

      • Axil Axil

        Goes Rossi mean 1 million CatX modules that are less than 20 KW?

  • It does pay to read Rossi’s words very carefully, and to apply some critical thinking.

    We are very close to be ready to make 1 million pcs/year, technologically speaking.

    So the technology for making a unit every 30 seconds or so is nearly available. Well, yes, adapting modern automated production methods make it possible to manufacture almost any fairly simple gadget at this kind of rate. Rossi doesn’t seem to be saying more than that Leonardo own or lease a facility in Florida where this might be carried out.

    From the moment I will decide that we are ready to start to the moment in which we will start the production line, it will take not more than 3 months.

    I.e., from the moment Rossi decides to begin production (which could be any time at all from months to years) it will take about 3 additional months to actually begin production – which is probably not unreasonable, IF safety certifications and some kind of distribution network are already in place.

    But that doesn’t actually seem to be the short term plan:.

    The E-Cat X so far is in an R&D phase, which is very promising, but it is not yet a product. I am very optimistic about the fact that one industrial E-Cat X will be sold and put in operation within 2016, but I cannot guarantee it, because the R&D we are making could reserve bad surprises that could delay the program.” (underlining mine)

    This sounds very like the 1MW plant story to date. One ‘pilot’ unit will hopefully be sold to an unidentified ‘customer’ some time at the end of 2016 or later, who then tests it under field conditions for some extended period, and then (F9) if all is well a report is drawn up. Then safety certification tests begin, and then, at some point, Rossi decides to begin production – assuming no mods are necessary, forcing the loop to repeat.

    Rossi seems to be inviting his followers to be drawn into another year-long waiting game with no tangible evidence, and I for one intend to more or less ignore further vague ‘updates’ on ecat-x, and to continue to follow the progress of the 1MW industrial plant (as far as possible, given that information could well dry up at this point).

    • These two lines of productions are independent and also the Teams dedicated to them are different and work n different locations, so far.

      According to this latest comment by Rossi, the plans for mass production of the “low temp” ecat, which was used for the 350 days test, are still up.
      But it is done by another team (provided by Industrial Heat).

      I guess the normal “low temp” ecat is in the responsibility of Industrial Heat (because they bought the marketing rights), while the ecat x is propelled by Rossi’s Leonardo Corp.

      • Yes, that’s another implication that can be drawn. If so, then given IH’s not exactly gushing communications with observers like ourselves, the pickings seem likely to be rather slim from here on in (other than another year or so of pronouncements on JONP concerning ecat-x).

        • Yes, but with a well known and experienced company like Cherokee in the back, I’m sure IH will act very professional.

          If now everything is in IH/Cherokee’s hands, I’m sure we will see a successful market entry, even when it is not this year. They have the financial power and business knowledge which Rossi lacked.

          I for myself find the silence of IH more professional than the back and forth over the years in Rossi’s blog communication.
          They will make a public announcement when they think they are ready, and are not creating hopes and destroy them as on an assembly line like Rossi.

          • I don’t doubt that, but I do doubt that we will be able to follow the story from now on. I suspect we’ll be as surprised as the rest of the world when news of commercially available cold fusion reactors (industrial only of course) finally leaks into the common awareness.

            Unfortunately, between now and then we’ll have no idea of whose hands the technology has ended up in, and therefore on whose timescale it will be introduced. IH is just Cherokee’s investment vehicle for this purpose, and actual manufacture and disrtibution will be carried out by whoever they sell or lease the IP to.

            While this could be a manufacturing company or companies, my bet is on a major player in the energy market – a multinational of some kind, probably one needing to replace nuclear fission as its core activity. Any such concern will ensure that the introduction doesn’t interfere with existing profit streams other than as they decide will be the case.

    • GreenWin

      “1 million pieces/year…” Are potentially reactor cores; some number of which will be assembled into a system making a final unit. Why build capacity for E-Cat X – a new tech not yet piloted? Is he referring to volume production of E-Cat LT cores? Suggesting annual output of some 100k complete units?

      This Rossi post appears to address different items.

      • A fairly classic tactic of his, but I think he must be referring to ecat-X in this instance. From his latest post it seems that the distinction between IH and Leonardo is one of marketing areas, and that IP is still shared by the two entities, although being developed by separate teams.

        However the ‘factory’ stuff is slightly harder to interpret. On closer examination of his words (I should have followed my own advice…) he only states two things: (1) the factory he intends to use is in Florida, and (2) if he decides to go ahead, the technology to make a million units a year is more or less already available.

        As is often the case we are being led to stick these statements together and assume that Rossi has an automated factory in Florida which is being prepared to make ecat units (of whatever flavour). However all he has actually said is that there is a factory in Florida which is capable of making a million units a year, and that it would only take 3 months to get it set up to make ecats (as would probably be the case for any flexible robotic manufacturing plant).

        Sneaky little hobbitses…

        • Rene

          I agree. I parse his statements as he is working out how to simplify the manufacturing process of the e-cat x so that once he has that figured out, then in three months he could set up a mass production factory line. That approach is eminently practical as it converts construction from custom or complex labor methods to automatic machine assembly. This is how one lowers the price of any technology based product.

          • As well as simplifying and optimising construction of e-cat x (if that’s what this part of his answers refer to) he also has to be thinking of applications. Presumably the main focus will be on electrical generation, but he will also need to work on the best ways to extract the heat component, if only to stop the things melting.

            It may become necessary to design a number of variants for different purposes, although hopefully a 10kW(e) + 10kW(t) CHP box will be among the first.

      • Axil Axil

        Goes Rossi mean 1 million pensel sized CatX modules that are less than 20 KW?

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    Gerard McEk February 21, 2016 at 6:26 AM
    Dear Andrea, I have some questions if I may, all assuming F9 = positive.

    1- You said that IH is licensed to produce E-cats for the Americas and China. Does that also include E-cat X’s (in the future)?
    AR: yes

    2- Is it right to assume that the rest of the world will be supplied by the Leonardo Company?
    AR: yes

    3- I believe you mentioned that Sweden will have a production plant for Europe. Do you intend to produce E-cats at more locations in Europe and Asia?
    AR: eventually yes if opportune

    4- You work strongly together with a jet specialist. Do you expect to test an E-cat jet this year?
    AR: yes

    • artefact

      Rossi changed the answere 3!!

      “Andrea Rossi February 21, 2016 at 9:42 AM
      Gerard McEk:
      1- yes
      2- no, Industrial Heat has also other Territories in the license agreement
      3- eventually yes if opportune
      4- yes
      Warm Regards, A.R.”

      • MLTC

        Don’t you mean answer 2?

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    Gerard McEk February 21, 2016 at 6:26 AM
    Dear Andrea, I have some questions if I may, all assuming F9 = positive.

    1- You said that IH is licensed to produce E-cats for the Americas and China. Does that also include E-cat X’s (in the future)?
    AR: yes

    2- Is it right to assume that the rest of the world will be supplied by the Leonardo Company?
    AR: yes

    3- I believe you mentioned that Sweden will have a production plant for Europe. Do you intend to produce E-cats at more locations in Europe and Asia?
    AR: eventually yes if opportune

    4- You work strongly together with a jet specialist. Do you expect to test an E-cat jet this year?
    AR: yes

    • artefact

      Rossi changed the answere 2!!

      “Andrea Rossi February 21, 2016 at 9:42 AM
      Gerard McEk:
      1- yes
      2- no, Industrial Heat has also other Territories in the license agreement
      3- eventually yes if opportune
      4- yes
      Warm Regards, A.R.”

      • you mean he changed answer 2, not 3? which better matches Mats Lewans’ recent reporting.

        btw, thanks for posting JoNP stuff here. I almost never go there so I’m relying on you and others to post the good stuff on Frank’s site.

      • MLTC

        Don’t you mean answer 2?

  • INVENTOR INVENTED

    What will his first product be? The home heating/electricity generator, or the 1 MW heart generator? Has he announced when the Ecat X is coming?

  • german_cruiser

    Hey. Its 5 years almost Rossi confirmed my ecat Registration. Looks like whenever somehting is close to market he develops a new device. Already in 2012 he confirmed verbally to me that The ecat was very, very stable – i am surprised that this Blog still Exists since none of the dozens of Rossi promises ever materialized

    • clovis ray

      german, no trolling.

      • Rene

        I thought the same about your remark clovis. That “I told you so” remark is exactly the kind of trolling that can ignite the flames. Let’s keep it substantive.

        • clovis ray

          what was so negative about my comment if you call that trolling you must not have seen much, German cruiser’s comment was total crap. you are the first to call me a troll, the very first part of my remark was suppose to be levity, was that the only part you thought was naughty, smile

          • german_cruiser

            If it is so total Crap then it should be easy for you to Tell me facts which ever Lead to somehting undoubtfully Running and working . And please Note that i can not Even Hear Anything like this from Rossy himself, who allways leaves a Gate Open for later escApe in case his claims Turn wrong.

  • Jacques

    Can anyone here more knowledgeable about physics than I am, give us some sense of what known principles of physics might be behind the direct generation of electricity from LENR?

    • Zephir

      Thermoelectric I guess – this is also the technology, which A. Rossi is most experienced with. The electricity output will not be very high though, due to low efficiency of heat to electricity conversion. Rossi himself estimated it to 250 – 400 W from 2 kW X unit.

      • DrD

        Can’t be thermolectric. If it were he wouldn’t be so excited.

        • Not only that but the whole thing derives from some inspired experiment that Rossi tried over Christmas, rather than a planned test of new/additional equipment. The obvious possibles seem to be that either he simply put a meter across some parts of his ‘layer’ reactor (the steel plates?) or he placed an induction coil near to some part of it and found current – but the truth may be something entirely new and different.

        • Zephir

          On the contrary, he gets excited just because it’s his pet technology.

          But I cannot swear to it, indeed…

          • DrD

            On the contrary — you will soon see it.
            As Peter said below, this technique was conceived over Christmas. Thermo electrics was not.
            Nor could it form the energy miracle that Bill Gates spoke of because without it LENR is only a lot of heat from a little electric. I’m sure that with thermo-electrics it can not 100% self sustain.
            Not even Rossi could be excited over thermo electrics nor is it HIS pet technology, it’s ancient and simple and inefficient.
            If it is not a big mistake ( I can’t believe it is) this is going to be the beginning of a paradigm shift.
            All will see it, very soon in Rossi terms.

            You will see it.

    • Axil Axil

      It is about the production of Kaons(K-Mesons) as Holmlid has shown.

  • LarryJ

    The experiment I think you are refrrring to was cancelled by his corporate sponsor before he had a chance to complete it. We will never know for sure how it might have turned out. It might have failed but there is no proof the idea was any crazier than cold fusion.

  • clovis ray

    Hi, Guys.
    I hate it, but i will have to say i told you so, Dr. Rossi has been working behind the scene, making the factory ready, i knew he would be. it’s just the way he does things, multitasking a great many things.

    • Rene

      I think it is premature to assume it is all happening quickly. I have been waiting patiently for 5 years (as have others) for a domestic e-cat. I am happy that in that time he has improved matters to eventually switch away from the early e-cat design, which was a finicky low grade heat generator, to the refined e-cat X design, which generates both heat and electricity. That will be a product that can outcompete fuel cells, and it has good fit in domestic use cases (water heating plus electrical power bill reduction).
      As for factories immediately producing anything very soon, it does not make sense to me. His e-cat X design was a recent invention. Even if it is working to perfection, the most difficult part of the continuum, from discovery to practical application, is the mass production phase. There are as many hurdles in that final phase as are in the entire previous phases. It may take some years to see it for sale.
      I am fine with that, just ordered a 1KW fuel cell, which when the time comes to replace it in 10 years will be a perfect swap out with a mature e-cat X unit.

      • clovis ray

        You still don’t get it,Rene it not about you waiting or you getting an e-cat, this is about a world changing device, not some popular video game.
        if Dr R says he will have them on the market this year. you can believe it. you have no idea what he has planned, neither does anyone else.

        • Rene

          We definitely do have several ideas about what Dr R. says would happen and what did not happen. It can be all rolled up into this: despite his amazing invention and his amazing progress in switching from research to practical, he’s not a good at estimating schedules. Look back at everything he wrote about schedules and estimates. Go look it up, it’s recorded here and in JONP. All have been far too optimistic. That is not an unusual thing for emerging technologies.
          There is no doubt this can be a world changing device, that is not at question.

  • deleo77

    Not sure if Peter Gluck has any inside info, but this is what he wrote today about the 350 day report:

    It is about some > 8000 MWhours energy a great bill for electricity. The bill of the Customer vs the bill of Industrial Heat. Daily, weekly, monthly, global, maximum, minimum values of COP.
    The Report – probably somewhere between 1500 and 2000 pages is for the parts of the deal and for accountants. We LENR-ists are much more interested in the EXECUTIVE SUMMARY that is already circulating 1 front page plus appendices but the essential is shown in less than 20 sentences.
    My prediction is that this executive summary will appear on the Web in less that 12 days.

    • artefact

      interesting …

    • Rene

      I thought the same about your remark clovis. That “I told you so” remark is exactly the kind of trolling that can ignite the flames. Let’s keep it substantive.

    • Rene

      I think it is premature to assume it is all happening quickly. I have been waiting patiently for 5 years (as have others) for a domestic e-cat. I am happy that in that time he has improved matters to eventually switch away from the early e-cat design, which was a finicky low grade heat generator, to the refined e-cat X design, which generates both heat and electricity. That will be a product that can outcompete fuel cells, and it has good fit in domestic use cases (water heating plus electrical power bill reduction).
      As for factories immediately producing anything very soon, it does not make sense to me. His e-cat X design was a recent invention. Even if it is working to perfection, the most difficult part of the continuum, from discovery to practical application, is the mass production phase. There are as many hurdles in that final phase as are in the entire previous phases. It may take some years to see it for sale.
      I am fine with that, just ordered a 1KW fuel cell, which when the time comes to replace it in 10 years will be a perfect swap out with a mature e-cat X unit.

  • deleo77

    Not sure if Peter Gluck has any inside info, but this is what he wrote today about the 350 day report:

    It is about some > 8000 MWhours energy a great bill for electricity. The bill of the Customer vs the bill of Industrial Heat. Daily, weekly, monthly, global, maximum, minimum values of COP.
    The Report – probably somewhere between 1500 and 2000 pages is for the parts of the deal and for accountants. We LENR-ists are much more interested in the EXECUTIVE SUMMARY that is already circulating 1 front page plus appendices but the essential is shown in less than 20 sentences.
    My prediction is that this executive summary will appear on the Web in less that 12 days.

    • artefact

      interesting …

      • Heath

        I’m hoping for some sort of clean energy legacy announcement soon. Knowing that the President met with Dardon in the technological park in the Research Triangle and that VP was there in China with the “nickel reactor” announcement was leaked, agrees with your sources. How else could that climate deal come about?

    • Heath

      The last time I heard the words “executive summary”, it was from Guiseppe Levi in which he said “We are asked to prepare an Executive Summary of our findings, to be presented to US President Barack Obama” for the 3rd party test in 2013. I wonder if this one will be presented to Obama as well.

      http://oggiscienza.it/2014/05/30/kall-fusion-uninvenzione-impossibile-iii/

      Pardon the source–Coyaud–but that revelation from Levi infers a deeper level of involvement by the US government.

      • Buck

        Heath . . . . Wow ! ! ! !

        If there is truth in this quote about ITPR#1, then as far as I’m concerned Pres. Obama was made aware of ITPR#2 and this recent 1yr Pilot Plant test.

        Pres. Obama is very willing to communicate using the leverage of symbolism . . . this only increases the probability of an announcement on the F&P anniversary.

        Time will tell what happens.

        • psi2u2

          My sources suggest that Obama has been well informed for some time.

  • Zephir

    Thermoelectric I guess – this is also the technology, which A. Rossi is most experienced with. The electricity output will not be very high though, due to low efficiency of heat to electricity conversion. Rossi himself estimated it to 250 – 400 W from 2 kW X unit.

    • DrD

      Can’t be thermolectric. If it were he wouldn’t be so excited.

      • Not only that but the whole thing derives from some inspired experiment that Rossi tried over Christmas, rather than a planned test of new/additional equipment. The obvious possibles seem to be that either he simply put a meter across some parts of his ‘layer’ reactor (the steel plates?) or he placed an induction coil near to some part of it and found current – but the reality may not be obvious at all.

      • Zephir

        On the contrary, he gets excited just because it’s his pet technology.

        But I cannot swear to it, indeed…

        • DrD

          On the contrary — you will soon see it.
          As Peter said below, this technique was conceived over Christmas. Thermo electrics was not.
          Nor could it form the energy miracle that Bill Gates spoke of because without it LENR is only a lot of heat from a little electric. I’m sure that with thermo-electrics it can not 100% self sustain.
          Not even Rossi could be excited over thermo electrics nor is it HIS pet technology, it’s ancient and simple and inefficient.
          If it is not a big mistake ( I can’t believe it is) this is going to be the beginning of a paradigm shift.
          All will see it, very soon in Rossi terms.

          You will see it.

  • Steven Irizarry

    recent advancements in photonic propulsion http://nextbigfuture.com/2016/02/photonic-laser-propulsion-to-send-100.html

    lenr will be a powerful alley…bringing the station mass down to a minimum

  • Axil Axil

    It is about the production of Kaons as Holmlid has shown.

  • Rene

    We definitely do have several ideas about what Dr R. says would happen and what did not happen. It can be all rolled up into this: despite his amazing invention and his amazing progress in switching from research to practical, he’s not a good at estimating schedules. Look back at everything he wrote about schedules and estimates. Go look it up, it’s recorded here and in JONP. All have been far too optimistic. That is not an unusual thing for emerging technologies.
    There is no doubt this can be a world changing device, that is not at question.

  • e-dog

    THE BILL GATES INTERVIEW: “”An energy miracle is coming, and it’s going to change the world””

    • DrD

      I am a little surprised at how many influential people seem to be watching this, despite all the oposition. Till now I think many have feared to speak out. Do they post here I wonder.

      • Axil Axil

        These people can watch this without seeing it at all. The eyes see what they want to see and disregard the rest.

    • Axil Axil

      Gates and all his billionaire buddies will lose all those ill informed investments in all those alternate energy companies: how sweet it is.

    • DrD

      http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/bill-gates-pushes-government-private-sector-to-find-energy-breakthrough/article28844661/

      Quote:
      “He has invested heavily in TerraPower, which is developing a form of
      nuclear power that aims to be safer, with less waste and lower capital
      costs. But Mr. Gates said it will be nearly 10 years before a prototype
      will be built and at least 2030 before such reactors are available for
      commercial deployment.”

  • e-dog

    THE BILL GATES INTERVIEW: “”An energy miracle is coming, and it’s going to change the world””

    • DrD

      I am a little surprised at how many influential people seem to be watching this, despite all the oposition. Till now I think many have feared to speak out. Do they post here I wonder.

      • Axil Axil

        These people can watch this without seeing it at all. The eyes see what they want to see and disregard the rest.

        • bachcole

          That is exactly what happened with the Wright Bros., flying their plane along side of moving trains while the people inside convinced themselves that they weren’t really flying; it was just a trick.

          Given this reality of human self-delusion, it is no surprise that the medical profession says that all alternative cancer cures are coincidental or “remissions” (code for miracles, effects with no causes).

    • Axil Axil

      Gates and all his billionaire buddies will lose all those ill informed investments in all those alternate energy companies: how sweet it is.

    • DrD

      http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/bill-gates-pushes-government-private-sector-to-find-energy-breakthrough/article28844661/

      Quote:
      “He has invested heavily in TerraPower, which is developing a form of
      nuclear power that aims to be safer, with less waste and lower capital
      costs. But Mr. Gates said it will be nearly 10 years before a prototype
      will be built and at least 2030 before such reactors are available for
      commercial deployment.”