MFMP: "Prepare . . . The End of the Carbon Age is Nigh"

The Martin Fleischmann’s latest post on Facebook is hinting strongly at something important on its way. They talk about a ‘cookbook’ and the end of the fossil fuel age, but they are not giving much away so far. The post is embedded below; you can go directly to the post on FB here:

https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject/posts/1124029104294454

The Cookbook is in the signal…Prepare>>>> The End of the Carbon Age is NighThankyou to all those that helped us

Posted by Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project on Monday, February 22, 2016

  • Curbina

    I was as puzzled as anyone by that optimistic outburst, totally unusual for the MFMP posts and historically cautious demeanor. I wonder if it’s E-cat report related or something completely different.

    • artefact

      I thought the same. Maybe they talk about knowing the fuel by measurement data of the one year field test. But that would imply that they have the report.

      The other possibility I see is that they are in on DrBob’s video.

      • Ophelia Rump

        I hope they have a design which does not infringe upon patents. It would be sad to see open source die at birth.

        • Richard Hill

          Ophelia, a patent must be capable of being replicated by someone “skilled in the art” to be valid. You only infringe the patent if you use it commercially.

          • Ophelia Rump

            There is the kit which is about to be marketed. If you sell it, then you are using it commercially. At the point where it becomes a functioning device, that device needs to be non-infringing.

            If MFMP were to sell a kit which actually reproduces the effect and the kit infringes, then MFMP jeopardizes it’s mission, if open source is it’s mission.

          • Owen Geiger

            A free, open source book explaining how to replicate would not infringe.

          • Ophelia Rump

            I do not disagree. However few of us have the means to reproduce from a book.
            The forces which would hide this technology behind meters is considerable. The best hope for humanity is that Open Source makes that task impossible. To do that they must have the ability to sell functioning manufactured product. MFMP must not only learn how to replicate, they must also learn to originate.

          • US_Citizen71

            A kit with directions and not fully assembled, it is not the product. If something important but easy to obtain is not included like the resistance wire that would go even further to making it not the product. Getting around patents is an artform but can be done. Related point, someone can sell you a kit to make a radio jammer, until you assemble it and turn it on, no one is breaking any laws.

    • Obvious

      Reminds me of their solar carbon cycle announcement.
      And the Fedora announcement.

  • Curbina

    I was as puzzled as anyone by that optimistic outburst, totally unusual for the MFMP posts and historically cautious demeanor. I wonder if it’s E-cat report related or something completely different.

    • artefact

      I thought the same. Maybe they talk about knowing the fuel by measurement data of the one year field test. But that would imply that they have the report.

      The other possibility I see is that they are in on DrBob’s video.

      • Ophelia Rump

        I hope they have a design which does not infringe upon patents. It would be sad to see open source die at birth.

        • Richard Hill

          Ophelia, a patent must be capable of being replicated by someone “skilled in the art” to be valid. You only infringe the patent if you use it commercially.

          • Ophelia Rump

            There is the kit which is about to be marketed. If you sell it, then you are using it commercially. At the point where it becomes a functioning device, that device needs to be non-infringing.

            If MFMP were to sell a kit which actually reproduces the effect and the kit infringes, then MFMP jeopardizes it’s mission, if open source is it’s mission.

          • Owen Geiger

            A free, open source book explaining how to replicate would not infringe.

          • Ophelia Rump

            I do not disagree. However few of us have the means to reproduce from a book.
            The forces which would hide this technology behind meters is considerable. The best hope for humanity is that Open Source makes that task impossible. To do that they must have the ability to sell functioning manufactured product. MFMP must not only learn how to replicate, they must also learn to originate.

          • US_Citizen71

            A kit with directions and not fully assembled, it is not the product. If something important but easy to obtain is not included like the resistance wire that would go even further to making it not the product. Getting around patents is an artform but can be done. Related point, someone can sell you a kit to make a radio jammer, until you assemble it and turn it on, no one is breaking any laws.

    • Obvious

      Reminds me of their solar carbon cycle announcement.
      And the Fedora announcement.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Forgive me, but that kind of secret-mongering does not seem to go well with a “Live Open Science” project.

    • Frank Acland

      From the FB page:

      Joe Maurice: Is there Anything you know that we don t ???
      Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: Yes

      Joe Maurice: lol so what is it?
      Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: Joe Maurice Prepare

      Adam Lepczak Have anything to share?
      Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: It’s coming

      • Dods

        Impressions are it must be very exciting news. I guess its just being cleared and worded correctly. What is it Bob my nails wont last much longer?

        • Michael W Wolf

          Comon’ face it, we all already know. If you are waiting for the anti lenr people to give the lenr dog a pat on the back, forget it. These devices will be running in their homes and they’ll still say it’s a scam. Crack open the champagne and stop torturing yourself needlessly. 🙂

          • artefact

            “I have that damn thing at home and after one year it stopped working. I just hit it with my foot once or twice but not realy hard and than it broke. Scammers I tell ya.” 🙂

          • Dods

            Actually I’m interested in what mechanisms they have put in place on their experiments that has garnered a result that warrants a post like this. Unless you are inferring to the Rossi report, I think this post is something different.

          • timycelyn

            I reckon you could shove a fully working E cat-X somewhere quite private with these pathos and they’d still deny it…

      • artefact

        Q: A cup of tee coming?
        A: More like the tea plantation.

      • Ophelia Rump

        They need to redesign into a unique solution.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Forgive me, but that kind of secret-mongering does not seem to go well with a “Live Open Science” project.

    • Frank Acland

      From the FB page:

      Joe Maurice: Is there Anything you know that we don t ???
      Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: Yes

      Joe Maurice: lol so what is it?
      Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: Joe Maurice Prepare

      Adam Lepczak Have anything to share?
      Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: It’s coming

      • Dods

        Impressions are it must be very exciting news. I guess its just being cleared and worded correctly. What is it Bob my nails wont last much longer?

        • Michael W Wolf

          Comon’ face it, we all already know. If you are waiting for the anti lenr people to give the lenr dog a pat on the back, forget it. These devices will be running in their homes and they’ll still say it’s a scam. Crack open the champagne and stop torturing yourself needlessly. 🙂

          • artefact

            “I have that damn thing at home and after one year it stopped working. I just hit it with my foot once or twice but not realy hard and than it broke. Scammers I tell ya.” 🙂

          • Dods

            Actually I’m interested in what mechanisms they have put in place on their experiments that has garnered a result that warrants a post like this. Unless you are inferring to the Rossi report, I think this post is something different.

          • timycelyn

            I reckon you could shove a fully working E cat-X somewhere quite private with these pathos and they’d still deny it…

      • artefact

        Q: A cup of tee coming?
        A: More like the tea plantation.
        (that could point to the “looking for heat” project)

      • Ophelia Rump

        They need to redesign into a unique solution.

    • Pipmon

      Normally I would agree, but to give them due credit they have been open about all their efforts so far, so they have earned the right to take time to savour whatever it is they’ve come up with for a while before going public. They obviously just want to make it a bit more dramatic. Let’s just hope they don’t come out with a “we’ll be testing for a year and then we may let you know” gambit!

      • Andreas Moraitis

        No doubt that they are doing a fantastic job.

  • спаситель русских

    Bravo Maestro Rossi .You have opened a new era for humanity War have now all over Will begin flights to Mars

  • Barbierir

    It sounds as if they discovered some important piece of the Lenr puzzle, something small but very important and easily verifiable

  • Barbierir

    It sounds as if they discovered some important piece of the Lenr puzzle, something small but very important and easily verifiable

  • Gerard McEk

    Yes, they are right, the oil is drying up, the gas is spend and the coal? The coal is dirty. 😉
    I’ll wait and watch them closely, maybe there is another ground for their prophecy…..

    • e-dog

      1 hour of Thermal energy input to the experiment
      >leads to
      x / beta decay or nuke transmutation (fraction of the material beta decaying?)
      >which leads to
      Pb or Lead ( and the transmutation product is a typo? Pd=Palladium?PolyButylene?Plumbum or liquid silver)
      >which then leads to
      A release of TeraHertz frequency of InfraRed Radiation (excess heat)
      >which also then leads to
      5 hours of Self Sustaining Mode of the reaction (chain reaction?)

      whats the x mean?

      • Andreas Moraitis

        X-rays, I would guess.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          = Bremsstrahlung from beta decay.

  • Gerard McEk

    Yes, they are right, the oil is drying up, the gas is spend and the coal? The coal is dirty. 😉
    I’ll wait and watch them closely, maybe there is another ground for their prophecy…..

  • JDM

    “in the signal”
    Seems the EMF applied is the secret sauce itself, eh?

    • Pekka Janhunen

      might be a good bet

  • Slad

    They pumped a Stones tune through the coil (I guess)….

    • Christoph

      Would think “Start me up” be a better choice.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      lol, douglasadamsian thingy

    • Omega Z

      You know what that means right.

      Not just Royaties for the patented devices for 20 years, but copyright royalty payments for the next 100 years.

      So much for cheap energy…

      • US_Citizen71

        Just play it backwards! : )

        • Omega Z

          Just play- “it backwards”
          I don’t know that song. Can you hum a few bars. 🙂

  • Obvious

    End of the fossil fuel age. Prepare!

    • Michael W Wolf

      well, not really. End of fossil fuel maybe. 🙂 we still need rubber and plastic, and many other uses for oil.

      • EEStorFanFibb

        plastic is not made from oil.

        and the amount of hydrocarbons used to make plastic is VERY small.

        EIA FAQ, How much oil is used to make plastic?
        http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=34&t=6

        • jimbo92107

          Not from oil, but most plastic is made from fossil fuels.

    • Obvious
    • GreenWin

      This recipe leaves out the fava beans. Hopefully it’s been updated.

      • Obvious

        Enjoy with a side dish of Soylent Green…

  • Obvious

    End of the fossil fuel age. Prepare!

    • Michael W Wolf

      well, not really. End of fossil fuel maybe. 🙂 we still need rubber and plastic, and many other uses for oil.

    • Obvious
      • Steven Irizarry

        hated how not one person thought of shooting the aliens on site while sending in planes to shoot that thing down

    • GreenWin

      This recipe leaves out the fava beans. Hopefully it’s been updated.

      • Obvious

        Enjoy with a side dish of Soylent Green…

  • Daniel Telfer

    Rossi has had this piece since the beginning. That is why he never cared to care about the other advances like fuel mixture etc. All are good tweaks but without the spark plug none really mattered. Go MFMP!

  • wpj

    “This could be more important than the results”

    Seems like a replication

  • wpj

    “This could be more important than the results”

    Seems like a replication

    * Rossi’s plant results, that is.

  • I hope it is not just another announcement of another cooperation…
    I hope it’s technical and impressive.

  • I hope it is not just another announcement of another cooperation…
    I hope it’s technical and impressive.

  • JDM

    A disgruntled IH employee has gone rouge?

    • hempenearth

      Or pink even!

      • passerby

        Congrats MFMP, always believed in you guys.

  • JDM

    A disgruntled IH employee has gone rouge?

    • hempenearth

      Or pink even!

    • Hi all

      In reply to JDM • an hour ago

      Your friendly Neighbourhood spelling Nazi here:

      “A disgruntled IH employee has gone rouge?”

      Red? Republican or Communist?

      I did not know you spoke French.

      Or did you mean rogue?

      Kind Regards walker

      • Warthog

        Obviously, said employee was spending too much time channeling GeorgeHants and oursobubu

    • Linda

      Too much rouge is embarrassing, but it’s nothing to be upset about. Perhaps one of the other women could gently take them aside and give them the “less is more” talk?

  • Jag bara undrar?

    Norman D Cook:s theory = Cookbook?

    • artefact

      reverse: the signal is in the cookbook (Normal D Cooks book)?!

      • Jag bara undrar?

        Cookbook = The theory = The theory moore important than the result…

  • PappyYokum

    They have invented the Segway scooter. It will change everything.

    • Skip

      I have a Segway (2 actually) but the batteries are dying and unaffordable to replace…
      So, I hope so.

      • Mats002

        Did you fell on your nose trying to ride them? Twice?

        • Skip

          Nope.
          I didn’t do a Bush, I actually read the manual!

      • LilyLover

        I quite enjoy my Airwheel S3; but then again I’m lightweight with 1.8 FOS.
        They use Sony batteries – not that it matters, but it works well and looks better.

  • Jag bara undrar?

    Norman D Cook:s theory = Cookbook?

    • artefact

      reverse: the signal is in the cookbook (Normal D Cook’s book)?!

      • Jag bara undrar?

        Cookbook = The theory = The theory moore important than the result…

  • PappyYokum

    They have invented the Segway scooter. It will change everything.

    • Skip

      I have a Segway (2 actually) but the batteries are dying and unaffordable to replace…
      So, I hope so.

      • Mats002

        Did you fell on your nose trying to ride them? Twice?

        • Skip

          Nope.
          I didn’t do a Bush, I actually read the manual!

      • LilyLover

        I quite enjoy my Airwheel S3; but then again I’m lightweight with 1.8 FOS.
        They use Sony batteries – not that it matters, but it works well and looks better.

  • Frank Acland

    No idea what it is, but I heard that we’ll have to wait until Wednesday to find out.

    • Heady times. Between Mats Lewan all but guaranteeing a positive test report, IH setting up a lab/factory, Rossi waxing poetic about the amazing capabilities of the E-Cat X and now MFMP strongly hinting at a major replication breakthrough….

      Well… if this all goes sideways somehow then I’m going to have to check myself into a rehab facility as a preventative measure.

    • TomR

      Maybe sooner Frank, from facebook:

      1 hr Gary Cleghorn So we’ll hear about this on wednesday then. Sigh.. Gary Cleghorn..
      Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project hope so. actually, maybe sooner… depends…Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project..

    • Slad

      I predict a burst of strange radiation in your future

      http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/347-gamma

  • Frank Acland

    No idea what it is, but I heard that we’ll have to wait until Wednesday to find out.

    • Heady times. Between Mats Lewan all but guaranteeing a positive test report, IH setting up a lab/factory, Rossi waxing poetic about the amazing capabilities of the E-Cat X and now MFMP strongly hinting at a major replication breakthrough….

      Well… if this all goes sideways somehow then I’m going to have to check myself into a rehab facility as a preventative measure.

    • TomR

      Maybe sooner Frank, from facebook:

      1 hr Gary Cleghorn So we’ll hear about this on wednesday then. Sigh.. Gary Cleghorn..
      Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project hope so. actually, maybe sooner… depends…Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project..

    • Slad

      I predict a burst of strange radiation in your future

      http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/347-gamma

  • Fyodor

    Not to disparage the MFMP and the excellent free work that they do, but have they had a single Rossi/Parkhomov replication that has produced clear excess heat? Until they do this seems pretty..grandiose.

    • LuFong

      They (and others) have made fantastic attempts at replication with at best mixed results. They have always downplayed these results which is why this announcement is so tantalizing.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      They not had success and all experiments HAVE been public.

      All they are doing here is announcing is a “cook book” or set of instructions for YOU the
      READING public to try out. That way many more people can attempt replications.

      Note how the Facebook post states:

      Could be “bigger” then the results!

      Well, of course such an announcement is BIGGER
      than the results because they don’t have any successful results! They NEVER
      done testing and experiments in private. So ALL RESULTS they have are public.

      There no question that putting out a “cookbook”
      to bring close the end of fossils fuels is a really good idea, and is certainly
      a step forward for others to attempt LENR experiments.

      Without such a cookbook, then it really
      is JUST MFMP all on their own trying to do something that requires MANY MORE
      people to become involved.

      So for the readers here, with such a cook book, then hopefully more people here will try out this cook book and hopefully someone will achieve better results than the MFMP folks.

      So to bring close the end of fossil fuels, a cookbook of instructions to try is a great step forward.

      I guess I am failing to grasp the “excitement” of having a cookbook of instructions posted when no such success has occurred based on that cookbook?

      Since MFMP not had success, and everything they done been in public, then the only logical step here is to start an open source and “community” driven cook book to get the LENR ball rolling and bring closer the end of fossil fuels.

      So they are making a “splashy” announcement since they are asking for the public to get involved and help improve their cookbook.

      I suppose it is possible that MNFP been lying to everyone and doing experiments from public view, but I have high respect and regards for those folks. And that means they still don’t have results and I respect that too.

      But, for readers here, a nice step by
      step cookbook is most important, since now MANY people can try experiments, report
      back and tweak and improve on their cookbook. I suppose this would be a “big” announcement if that had some success with their LENR devices, but we would be well aware of this unless some testing been occurring hidden from the public eye.

      So for those wanting to build and try
      and contribute to LENR, such a cookbook idea or “set” of instructions to try is
      a welcome step and great idea on MFMP’s part.

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

    • LilyLover

      Function of MFMP is more as a reminder to “them” that ‘we are united behind Rossi’; eliminating any one will only cause short delay but result in vengeance with stronger resolve.
      I don’t expect MFMP to be successful until E-Cat X is sold in the open market.
      & Yet, they + Porkhomov + global “Teams” serve as a “Mario-star”.
      🙂

  • Fyodor

    Not to disparage the MFMP and the excellent free work that they do, but have they had a single Rossi/Parkhomov replication that has produced clear excess heat? Until they do this seems pretty..grandiose.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      They not had success and all experiments HAVE been public.

      All they are doing here is announcing is a “cook book” or set of instructions for YOU the
      READING public to try out. That way many more people can attempt replications.

      Note how the Facebook post states:

      Could be “bigger” then the results!

      Well, of course such an announcement is BIGGER
      than the results because they don’t have any successful results! They NEVER
      done testing and experiments in private. So ALL RESULTS they have are public.

      There no question that putting out a “cookbook”
      to bring close the end of fossils fuels is a really good idea, and is certainly
      a step forward for others to attempt LENR experiments.

      Without such a cookbook, then it really
      is JUST MFMP all on their own trying to do something that requires MANY MORE
      people to become involved.

      So for the readers here, with such a cook book, then hopefully more people here will try out this cook book and hopefully someone will achieve better results than the MFMP folks.

      So to bring close the end of fossil fuels, a cookbook of instructions to try is a great step forward.

      I guess I am failing to grasp the “excitement” of having a cookbook of instructions posted when no such success has occurred based on that cookbook?

      Since MFMP not had success, and everything they done been in public, then the only logical step here is to start an open source and “community” driven cook book to get the LENR ball rolling and bring closer the end of fossil fuels.

      So they are making a “splashy” announcement since they are asking for the public to get involved and help improve their cookbook.

      I suppose it is possible that MNFP been lying to everyone and doing experiments from public view, but I have high respect and regards for those folks. And that means they still don’t have results and I respect that too.

      But, for readers here, a nice step by
      step cookbook is most important, since now MANY people can try experiments, report
      back and tweak and improve on their cookbook. I suppose this would be a “big” announcement if that had some success with their LENR devices, but we would be well aware of this unless some testing been occurring hidden from the public eye.

      So for those wanting to build and try
      and contribute to LENR, such a cookbook idea or “set” of instructions to try is
      a welcome step and great idea on MFMP’s part.

      Edit: Reading the MPMF post, this does look to be rather significant. The “hint” is more then just a cookbook, but suggests something major.

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

    • LilyLover

      Function of MFMP is more as a reminder to “them” that ‘we are united behind Rossi’; eliminating any one will only cause short delay but result in vengeance with stronger resolve.
      I don’t expect MFMP to be successful until E-Cat X is sold in the open market.
      & Yet, they + Porkhomov + global “Teams” serve as a “Mario-star”.
      🙂

  • Stefenski

    Tesla was going to transmit a signal (Wardenclyffe Tower) into the atmosphere to cause a resonance , & power the whole Earth. As above so below. In miniature they do the same. maybe this is it.
    Other posters here have speculated that the function(waveform) hidden in the PSU voltage is the secret. Which is why F&P couldn’t replicate so easily. They never suspected a noisy power supply was boosting the reaction.
    All speculation off course..

    • roseland67

      So DC Power would not work ?

      • LilyLover

        Pulsated DC “Pattern-908” could also be the function.
        Knowing Rossi, as Rossi, hell make the DC systems work too.
        Another of my far out predictions that he’ll make true.

  • TomR

    Again from facebook:

    Manfred Weber Pleeease Bob, give us more information! smile emoticon Is it something from MFMP’s side or is it regarding Andrea Rossi’s 1 MW plant report? Thanks for all the hard work you guys put into the MFMP!!
    1 hr

    Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project

    Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project Both…

    • Teemu Soilamo

      MFMP is the ERV. lmao

      • Esko Lyytinen

        This might make sense according to the reply to that question.

        • Esko Lyytinen

          In FB they tell that:
          “Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project We would have published the information last Wednesday – we are being cautious in order to keep that trust.”

          This is exactly the date when the 352 day test ended.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    No doubt that they are doing a fantastic job.

  • Axil Axil

    It is fun to speculate, so let us get to it.

    The MFMP breakthrough results from the fact that they finally did fuel preparation where nickel was made porous to absorb hydrogen. The cookbook is the procedure whereby the nickel 5 micron powder is sintered in such a way to allow nickel to compress hydrogen to get to the liquid state,

    Regarding: “The Cookbook is in the signal…”
    There was also an effort afoot at MFMP to apply a radio frequency via a rod or antenna that went through the reactor. My guess is that when the proper RF frequency was applied, the LENR reaction took off.

    The cook book involves the steps needed to both prepare the nickel powder in a fuel pre-preparation step through high temperature sintering and the method whereby the radio frequency is applied to the powder in the core. All of the above will be defined in the cook book and become open source for all to use.

    Let us see how close I will come to predicting the contents of the cook book.

    • roseland67

      Axial,

      Been speculating for 5 years now,
      Might as stay at it for a while longer,
      What’s it Gonna hurt?

  • Oystein Lande

    And to add to the speculation. Is the “signal” the triggering mechanism?
    The last mystery to be revealed – the stimulation mechanism of LENR?

    Just repeating some interesting findings posted earlier:

    1. Brilliouin – electrical stimulation with “Q-pulse”
    Ref. Mckubre stated on Brillouin:
    “The fact that the Q pulse input is capable of triggering the excess power on and off is also highly significant.”

    2. Swartz – paper on test of magnetic fields:
    “Astonishingly, it has now been discovered that high intensity, dynamic, repeatedly fraction- ated, magnetic fields have an incremental major, significant and unique, complex, metachronous amplification effect on the preloaded NANOR⃝R -type LANR device”
    “H-field pulse sequence was delivered (dH/dt ∼1.5 T with 0.1 ms rise time × 1000–5000 pulse”

    Ref . http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol15.pdf#page=73
    3. Lugano report:

    “The heat generating process is initiated by heat from resistor coils around the reactor tube. In addition, the resistor coils are fed with some specific electromagnetic pulses

    4. Rossi: Is the “mouse”some kind of electromagnetic stimulation..?

    Rossi patent: patent claims include “reinvigorating” reaction by “varying” a voltage source.

    Which could mean varying AC voltage with some high frequency (at what Herz?), and thereby creating some extra stimulating magnetic fields….for “reinvigorating” the core…..
    I’ve tried several times to Ask Rossi on stimulation, but he allways says “no comment” or “confidential”

    5. Piantelli patents:

    “……..impulsive trigger action consists of supplying an energy pulse”

    “…..trigger means (61 ,62,67) for creating an impulsive action (140) on said active core (18), said impulsively action (140) suitable for causing……”

    http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/claims?CC=EP&NR=2702593A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=&date=20140305&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP

    “………an impulsive application of a package of electromagnetic fields, in particular said fields selected from the group comprised of: a radiofrequency pulse whose frequency is larger than 1 kHz; X rays; v rays; an electrostriction impulse that is generated by an impulsive electric current that flows through an electrostrictive portion of said active core….”

    “- an electric voltage impulse that is applied between two points of a piezoelectric portion of said active core; an impulsive magnetostriction that is generated by a magnetic field pulse along said active core which has a magnetostrictive portion.”

    “Such impulsive triggering action generates lattice vibrations, i.e. phonons…”

    http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WO&NR=2010058288A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20100527&DB=worldwide.espacenet.com&locale=en_EP

    6. Laser stimulation: A paper on Hagelstein optical phonon theory. Successful THz optical phonon stimulation in deuterated Pd.

    http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LettsDstimulatio.pdf

    7. Focardi on stimulation Nickel- hydrogen system
    “After several loading cycles, the sample was ready and it was possible to trigger the exothermic process. Such an operation can be performed by lowering the input power, waiting for the sample temperature to decrease down to about 300 K, then suddenly restoring the previous power level. After this operation an increased equilibrium temperature, as shown in fig. 4, is obtained: the cell is producing an excess heat. Another way to trigger the process is to provoke a pressure step-like variation, as shown in fig. 5. After the triggering procedure, the production of excess heat is maintained for months .”

    http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/FocardiSlargeexces.pdf

    8. “Inductive resonance” , ” RF emissions”
    “….Experiments performed in November took over 400 hours before exhibiting excess energy, and confirmed the importance of inductive resonance. From the new data, what SKINR has further gleaned about the excess heat effect includes: RF emission is an indication of resonance in cath- odes; surface contaminants are important as well as surface morphology as measured by Atomic Force Microscopy (AFM) and analyzed by Power Spectral Density Function (PSDF); unstable and increasing voltage and unstable cathode resistance are seen during excess heat events; acoustic triggering seems relevant; there is no activation of materials in electro- chemical cells. The team’s electrochemist is currently focused on what is causing the resonances and the increase in cell voltage. ”

    Ref. http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/MIT2014Colloq.pdf

    9. This was interesting. Comparison RF stimulation with magnetism and electrochemical stimulation in same cells (wet Pd-D system)
    “Two other frequencies, viz., 533.688 MHz and 81.924 MHz were also found to trigger exothermic effects in deuterated palladium. The heating effect only occurred during the stated frequencies and disappeared at other frequencies. Also, such a heating effect was not observed in a H2O system.

    “After the cathode had been charged with deuterium for 48 hours at a current of 80 mA, the cell was placed in the field of a permanent magnet with 200 Gauss strength. 230 seconds after the placement, the cell electrolyte temperature rose to 5°C (Fig. 3.). After 576 seconds, the magnet was replaced by two one-inch Neodymium magnets with a 800 Gauss field. It was placed as decribed earlier. The temperature immediately started increasing and reached 13.5°C in about 15 minutes and remained constant. The temperature returned to 3.5°C when the magnet was removed. ”

    “excess heat was manifest within two days after High-Low current pulsing mode was started ”

    My syggestions is to try induce an RF frequency into Ni-H lattice….

    The frequency, ν, is required to resonate and induce spin transitions in a neutron, proton or a deuterium nucleus (NMR Frequency) in a magnetic field of Η. It is given by the equation (16):

    v=μ∗β∗H/h∗I

    ν was calculated as 81.924 MHz for deuterium, 365.608 MHz for neutron and 533.688 MHz for proton. Thus, the exothermic effect observed at these specific frequencies may be related to spin orientations, occuring within the deuterium nucleus in the PdD lattice. Why is not clear….

    It is interesting that the excess heat, caused by RF stimulation, reaches a maximum value and, after a certain time, falls to zero. A possible explanation is that the RF stimulates only the deuterium nucleus at the near surface of Pd. It is well known that, due to the ‘skin effect,’ high frequency alternating currents are felt only up to a certain depth (called ‘skin depth’)

    Ref. Bockris et.al:

    http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BockrisJtriggering.pdf

    Mckubre et. al paper:

    http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/McKubreMCHtheneedfor.pdf

  • Oystein Lande

    And to add to the speculation. Is the “signal” the triggering mechanism?
    The last mystery to be revealed – the stimulation mechanism of LENR?

    Just repeating some interesting findings posted earlier:

    1. Brilliouin – electrical stimulation with “Q-pulse”
    Ref. Mckubre stated on Brillouin:
    “The fact that the Q pulse input is capable of triggering the excess power on and off is also highly significant.”

    2. Swartz – paper on test of magnetic fields:
    “Astonishingly, it has now been discovered that high intensity, dynamic, repeatedly fraction- ated, magnetic fields have an incremental major, significant and unique, complex, metachronous amplification effect on the preloaded NANOR⃝R -type LANR device”
    “H-field pulse sequence was delivered (dH/dt ∼1.5 T with 0.1 ms rise time × 1000–5000 pulse”

    Ref . http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol15.pdf#page=73
    3. Lugano report:

    “The heat generating process is initiated by heat from resistor coils around the reactor tube. In addition, the resistor coils are fed with some specific electromagnetic pulses

    4. Rossi: Is the “mouse”some kind of electromagnetic stimulation..?

    Rossi patent: patent claims include “reinvigorating” reaction by “varying” a voltage source.

    Which could mean varying AC voltage with some high frequency (at what Herz?), and thereby creating some extra stimulating magnetic fields….for “reinvigorating” the core…..
    I’ve tried several times to Ask Rossi on stimulation, but he allways says “no comment” or “confidential”

    5. Piantelli patents:

    “……..impulsive trigger action consists of supplying an energy pulse”

    “…..trigger means (61 ,62,67) for creating an impulsive action (140) on said active core (18), said impulsively action (140) suitable for causing……”

    http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/claims?CC=EP&NR=2702593A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=&date=20140305&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP

    “………an impulsive application of a package of electromagnetic fields, in particular said fields selected from the group comprised of: a radiofrequency pulse whose frequency is larger than 1 kHz; X rays; v rays; an electrostriction impulse that is generated by an impulsive electric current that flows through an electrostrictive portion of said active core….”

    “- an electric voltage impulse that is applied between two points of a piezoelectric portion of said active core; an impulsive magnetostriction that is generated by a magnetic field pulse along said active core which has a magnetostrictive portion.”

    “Such impulsive triggering action generates lattice vibrations, i.e. phonons…”

    http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WO&NR=2010058288A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20100527&DB=worldwide.espacenet.com&locale=en_EP

    6. Laser stimulation: A paper on Hagelstein optical phonon theory. Successful THz optical phonon stimulation in deuterated Pd.

    http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LettsDstimulatio.pdf

    7. Focardi on stimulation Nickel- hydrogen system
    “After several loading cycles, the sample was ready and it was possible to trigger the exothermic process. Such an operation can be performed by lowering the input power, waiting for the sample temperature to decrease down to about 300 K, then suddenly restoring the previous power level. After this operation an increased equilibrium temperature, as shown in fig. 4, is obtained: the cell is producing an excess heat. Another way to trigger the process is to provoke a pressure step-like variation, as shown in fig. 5. After the triggering procedure, the production of excess heat is maintained for months .”

    http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/FocardiSlargeexces.pdf

    8. “Inductive resonance” , ” RF emissions”
    “….Experiments performed in November took over 400 hours before exhibiting excess energy, and confirmed the importance of inductive resonance. From the new data, what SKINR has further gleaned about the excess heat effect includes: RF emission is an indication of resonance in cath- odes; surface contaminants are important as well as surface morphology as measured by Atomic Force Microscopy (AFM) and analyzed by Power Spectral Density Function (PSDF); unstable and increasing voltage and unstable cathode resistance are seen during excess heat events; acoustic triggering seems relevant; there is no activation of materials in electro- chemical cells. The team’s electrochemist is currently focused on what is causing the resonances and the increase in cell voltage. ”

    Ref. http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/MIT2014Colloq.pdf

    9. This was interesting. Comparison RF stimulation with magnetism and electrochemical stimulation in same cells (wet Pd-D system)
    “Two other frequencies, viz., 533.688 MHz and 81.924 MHz were also found to trigger exothermic effects in deuterated palladium. The heating effect only occurred during the stated frequencies and disappeared at other frequencies. Also, such a heating effect was not observed in a H2O system.

    “After the cathode had been charged with deuterium for 48 hours at a current of 80 mA, the cell was placed in the field of a permanent magnet with 200 Gauss strength. 230 seconds after the placement, the cell electrolyte temperature rose to 5°C (Fig. 3.). After 576 seconds, the magnet was replaced by two one-inch Neodymium magnets with a 800 Gauss field. It was placed as decribed earlier. The temperature immediately started increasing and reached 13.5°C in about 15 minutes and remained constant. The temperature returned to 3.5°C when the magnet was removed. ”

    “excess heat was manifest within two days after High-Low current pulsing mode was started ”

    My syggestions is to try induce an RF frequency into Ni-H lattice….

    The frequency, ν, is required to resonate and induce spin transitions in a neutron, proton or a deuterium nucleus (NMR Frequency) in a magnetic field of Η. It is given by the equation (16):

    v=μ∗β∗H/h∗I

    ν was calculated as 81.924 MHz for deuterium, 365.608 MHz for neutron and 533.688 MHz for proton. Thus, the exothermic effect observed at these specific frequencies may be related to spin orientations, occuring within the deuterium nucleus in the PdD lattice. Why is not clear….

    It is interesting that the excess heat, caused by RF stimulation, reaches a maximum value and, after a certain time, falls to zero. A possible explanation is that the RF stimulates only the deuterium nucleus at the near surface of Pd. It is well known that, due to the ‘skin effect,’ high frequency alternating currents are felt only up to a certain depth (called ‘skin depth’)

    Ref. Bockris et.al:

    http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BockrisJtriggering.pdf

    Mckubre et. al paper:

    http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/McKubreMCHtheneedfor.pdf

  • Private Citizen

    It is open science: if you see a hint of something interesting, please just state what you intend to reveal. No need for the cagey striptease, which we get all too much of from commercial interests. Waiting for the proof/details will be sufficiently suspenseful, for those who enjoy theater.

    I do hope you have put an end to the carbon age.

    • Andre Blum

      Let them have their moment. If it is really true that they have irrefutable proof for cold fusion, they need to prepare: Create a small press kit; a good press release; a picture; prepare a bit for the storm coming. In the meantime, Bob cannot hide his enthusiasm. I like it. This is all a good sign. MFMP have always been very transparent, also when careful analysis of initially exciting looking experiments turned out to not be so exciting after all. That makes this moment so much more credible.

  • Private Citizen

    It is open science: if you see a hint of something interesting, please just state what you intend to reveal. No need for the cagey striptease, which we get all too much of from commercial interests. Waiting for the proof/details will be sufficiently suspenseful, for those who enjoy theater.

    I do hope you have put an end to the carbon age.

    • Andre Blum

      Let them have their moment. If it is really true that they have irrefutable proof for cold fusion, they need to prepare: Create a small press kit; a good press release; a picture; prepare a bit for the storm coming. In the meantime, Bob cannot hide his enthusiasm. I like it. This is all a good sign. MFMP have always been very transparent, also when careful analysis of initially exciting looking experiments turned out to not be so exciting after all. That makes this moment so much more credible.

  • Rip Kirbyian

    From what I understand Bob does not want to let us know before they have finished their “info-pack”. As if a press release would change anything? We who have followed this story for 5 years or so know that media will not respond to such efforts. I think this is a quite tight and small community and Bob should let us know…it would not hurt his pr-machinery.

  • Sanjeev

    Robert Greenyer
    2016-02-22 18:13

    Questions will be answered here. Key full disclosure information will be here. Abbreviated comments will be in other places.
    http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/519-the-cookbook-is-in-the-signal

    Now don’t start refreshing that page like mad, you don’t want to crash their site.
    Usually the donors get the info beforehand, so possibly some people will know by tomorrow.

  • Sanjeev

    Robert Greenyer
    2016-02-22 18:13

    Questions will be answered here. Key full disclosure information will be here. Abbreviated comments will be in other places.
    http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/519-the-cookbook-is-in-the-signal

    Now don’t start refreshing that page like mad, you don’t want to crash their site.
    Usually the donors get the info beforehand, so possibly some people will know by tomorrow.

  • Mats002

    Alan said in a post a few days ago he would run the Glowstick heater wire with a powerful music amplifier and asked for music suggestions. I voted for Queen – Another one bites the dust – a heavy bass groove that for certain will kick start the new fire and is the grand finale of the cookbook:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE

    • Herb Gillis

      Mats;
      Do your internal sources know if the Rossi customer wants to continue using the Ecat plant after trial is completed, and how much they saved on their energy bills?

      • Mats002

        No – and I am following Axils advice, speculating!

      • Sanjeev

        He is not that Mats.

  • Mats002

    Alan said in a post a few days ago he would run the Glowstick heater wire with a powerful music amplifier and asked for music suggestions. I voted for Queen – Another one bites the dust – a heavy bass groove that for certain will kick start the new fire and is the grand finale of the cookbook:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE

    • Herb Gillis

      Mats;
      Do your internal sources know if the Rossi customer wants to continue using the Ecat plant after trial is completed, and how much they saved on their energy bills?

      • Mats002

        No – and I am following Axils advice, speculating!

      • Sanjeev

        He is not that Mats.

  • Dr. Lawrence H. LaFond

    All along the watchtower. Jimi Hendrix

    • roseland67

      Bob Dylan actually, no?

  • Arun

    “Signal”

    Hardly anyone seemed to notice in the Feb. 5 e-catworld thread where Bob reported the COP = 3 self-sustain mode that was initiated in the Celani wire when they sent a current spike to the wire. This result was quite separate from the COP=1.1 (10% excess heat) signal that was questioned.

    I’d wager this is about TRIGGERING

    • cffanboy

      Arun –
      Can you be more specific about Bob’s report in the Feb 5 thread?
      Which thread exactly? Maybe a phrase in the comment with which one can search?

      • Arun

        Search the comments for the one from Bob starting with “Triggering the Celani wire”. On a second reading, I think they’re saying that they pulsed the current, and also slowly increased the input current. So the input power slowly went from 20 W to 60 W, not the output power. Much less exciting.

    • Ophelia Rump

      That is my take on it.
      Being able to successfully trigger a reaction on demand.

    • SG

      Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Celani withhold the recipe for preparing his wires? I would rather hope the announcement is directed to a successful Lugano-type setup. Higher power and all open sourced. But whatever it is, MFMP seems more optimistic than they have in a very long time.

    • Owen Geiger

      Let’s hope they can trigger the reactions AND sustain them. Now that would be something to celebrate, especially if they splashed simple directions across the Internet. This would launch a worldwide gold rush to LENR.

      • bachcole

        Keep in mind that all of the E-Cat investors would be financially harmed if not ruined if he were to do that.

        • They have a pretty good head start. If they can’t get ‘product’ out there quickly enough to make vast profits, then others will overtake them. The business world is very Darwinian when there is real competition.

          • GreenWin

            Perhaps the only accurate application of Darwin – homo sapien sapien.

      • GreenWin

        Mills’ Raney nickel experiments were replicated by third parties. They could spike excess heat pretty much on demand. They just could not sustain it.

  • So, they know on what date the E-Cat test results will be available?

  • theBuckWheat

    A substantial fraction of the world power dynamic is wrapped up in liquid hydrocarbons. There are several oil exporting countries that must import the bulk of their foodstuffs and that finance those purchases by selling oil.

    LENR will not immediately replace all uses of hydrocarbon fuels, but the higher the COP of those devices that become commercially viable, the more quickly that major fuel consumers will switch. Railroad locomotive equipment, over the road trucking, heat plants for industry and office buildings, marine vessels, etc.

    What if the rate of conversion were 10 years and at the end resulted in a drop of even 20% in the amount of crude oil that was used? The impact on the world price of oil would be YUGE. It might cause political disruption in the Middle East worse than the Arab Spring. Indeed, it might trigger wars.
    It would also result in much less air pollution.

    I can hardly wait to see how the greens will violently oppose LENR deployment. I can hardly wait for people to finally realize what greens really want.

    • Ships at sea will be the easiest transportation to run on LENR because you have lots of stable space for casual and even sloppy engineering. An automobile run by consumers with no technical skills will be a lot more difficult. Of course, aircraft will be very critical for safety issues.

    • Billy Jackson

      the thing with the e-cat that gives a hopeful outlook for countries that depend on imports for food.

      Vertical Farming becomes very practical when you have COPs of 20+ as the price to run all those lights , pumps and hydroponic systems become far cheaper to operate. This allows countries that import food to grow their own as you are no longer limited to prime farm land but to the size and height of your building.. dont quote me on this but a building a single acre wide/long and 10 stories tall can house 15 acre’s of goods per story.. so your one acre of land becomes 150 acres of crops which is substantial crops that can be grown year round not just 1-2 seasons year in optimal conditions with no pesticides or bugs. add in 3 full growing seasons and 1 season of downtime for upgrades/repairs/maintenance or just random things happening and you have 1 acre of city warehouse producing the same food as 450 acre’s of prime farm land. minus transport costs…

      • Agree, this tech will be transformational. The danger though is that in order to limit costs, many trace elements necessary to mammals (copper, zinc, manganese, molybdenum, iodine, bromine, germanium, vanadium, cobalt, selenium etc. etc.) will be missing from the synthetic nutrient mix used for hydroponics fluids, with resulting long term health issues for those who survive primarily on the products of these farms.

        • Omega Z

          You are correct. There are also similar issues with desalinated water.

          To offset this issue, you need to blend/add this greenhouse product into the natural grown food chain. Desalinated water can be added into one’s natural water supply.

          A decade ago, in order to meet new water standards it was determined that reverse osmosis for a portion of our water was cheaper then rebuilding the entire water treatment plant where I live. This removes a lot of beneficial minerals.

          This reverse osmosis water is blended with the primary water supply from the treatment plant. Thus, they reduce the ppm of certain unwanted elements while still having plenty of the desired minerals and elements without the need to add any.

          • Perhaps with further technological developments it will become possible to remove just the sodium and chlorine ions from seawater, leaving mineralised water suitable as a hydroponic feedstock to which the usual basic plant fertilisers could be added.

          • GreenWin

            Gents, we have a very good model for successful desal in Israel. They have essentially no natural water; 80% of ALL Israel’s water is desal. One plant alone produces 627k M^3 / day. This technology is just one of many that will grow exponentially from LENR. https://www.technologyreview.com/s/534996/megascale-desalination/

          • artefact

            I can not see the comments below the cookbook entry on the MFMP facebook page. Under different topics on that page it works. Am I the only one?

          • Teemu Soilamo

            I can see the comments just fine. MFMP just posted this:

            “Something of this importance requires the attention of many, but you will be amongst the open minded first few to have the opportunity to understand the information and its significance. We, as a species, have a gift from nature in our grasp and it will change history.”

          • They’ve done it!

            Or at least they think they’ve done it.

            I hope they did it.

        • georgehants

          Morning Peter, if the transmutation aspect of Cold Fusion is still alive then hopefully, problem solved and no more tearing the land apart for mining except the base product to transform.

          • LarryJ

            It might be difficult to get commercially viable quantities of commodities via transmutation. It is rumoured on Mats Lewans site that the 1 year test of the ecat only transmuted tenths of grams of fuel over an entire year. Even if the whole world was powered by cold fusion the quantity of transmuted elements would be relatively small compared with the demand.

            Once we have a downward spiral in prices due to everyone’s input costs dropping, the lower prices and rising employment worldwide will create a tremendous demand for commodities which can only by met by mining, either here on earth or in space.

          • georgehants

            You are spoiling my dream ha.
            If one looks at say the UK what more could people possibly want if fed clothed, housed etc. most everything else needed is an improvement in basic services. health, transport etc.
            The point must come where recycling almost covers new production.
            As I think you have mentioned mining the disused tips would produce much discarded material.
            Many people in the World I think do not wish to have employment of the kind we have in the West, just to be assured of the necessities when times are hard and basic services, medical etc. and then be left to get on with their own communal lives.
            A simple exercise of logic shows that employment in many cases is an unneeded illusion just like money simply a device to maintain capitalism.
            Think how many would be out of work without finance, advertising, insurance, mortgages, accountants, tax, vat, etc. etc. the M25 would be empty saving millions in wasted fuel etc.
            Thousands of offices etc. turned into free good quality housing as needed.
            Etc. etc. etc.
            ——–
            Just for those with little knowledge or imagination not a communist dictatorship, but a democratic sensible system

        • Slad

          You’re buying the wrong hydroponic fluids 😉

      • US_Citizen71

        You have the right idea, but the limit is more like 2 or 3 grow levels per story, unless you are growing moss. You need room for the grow medium be it soil or hydroponics, then room for the plant to grow, room for the light to spread and finally room for the light itself.

        • Billy Jackson

          oh absolutely. volume of the plant is a big consideration 🙂 I also don’t think vertical farming well ever be viable for large crops (corn) wheat, maize.etc.. .. just to much room needed for those crops to grow. Nor do i believe that vertical farming can ever replace traditional farming 100% but it could be a nice supplement and have a large impact for countries that import large amounts of food.

          http://d9hhrg4mnvzow.cloudfront.net/grow.verticrop.com/vertical-farming/602c0115-vertical-growing-towers_0am0fy0al0fw000000.JPG

          not sure how realistic this image is but thats what i imagine as vertical farming.. though of course as the size of the plants increase you loose density of space.

          • GreenWin

            Would seem some combination of vertical and terra-farming would result in produce both healthy and low cost. In the poorest areas e.g. East Africa, desal irrigation is probably best to create rich farmland. IF low cost desalination and irrigation infrastructure can deliver water inland – poorest nations have new resources to trade and feed themselves. This would reduce zero-resource tribal conflict.

    • GreenWin

      Aramco is both aware of and invested in a transition from petroleum to LENR – it is more important to Middle East than buying defense weapons. All of which is a good geopolitical thing in long run.

      Petro States have an opportunity to convert their main resource to new materials – which will become components of macro-micro LENR reactors IMO: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167577X14003097

      • Brokeeper

        Petro States better start employing said new materials quickly and to adapt to democratic philosophies otherwise the masses will begin to uprise when their supplemental incomes come to a screeching halt.

  • theBuckWheat

    A substantial fraction of the world power dynamic is wrapped up in liquid hydrocarbons. There are several oil exporting countries that must import the bulk of their foodstuffs and that finance those purchases by selling oil.

    LENR will not immediately replace all uses of hydrocarbon fuels, but the higher the COP of those devices that become commercially viable, the more quickly that major fuel consumers will switch. Railroad locomotive equipment, over the road trucking, heat plants for industry and office buildings, marine vessels, etc.

    What if the rate of conversion were 10 years and at the end resulted in a drop of even 20% in the amount of crude oil that was used? The impact on the world price of oil would be YUGE. It might cause political disruption in the Middle East worse than the Arab Spring. Indeed, it might trigger wars.
    It would also result in much less air pollution.

    I can hardly wait to see how the greens will violently oppose LENR deployment. I can hardly wait for people to finally realize what greens really want.

    • LilyLover

      Dear BuckWheat,
      As oil becomes valueless, food will be exchanged for services. As services become costlier, lesser and lesser food from First World will get converted into beer. More and more of it will be exported out until wage parity is achieved and beer/grain consumption equalizes.
      All that’s new will utilize LENR. Traditional or poor or unwise people will be stuck with homes without LENR / communitites with wires. Think Flint. Desirables locations will be swiftly upgraded. Mediocre suburbs will be changed in desirability pattern.
      Present trucking companies will be bankrupt. Personally owned trucking will be the modern mom&pop until drones take over.
      Oil or no oil, ME is hell bent on and poised to recreate Ottomanish Empire. Just see the way they get us to pay for both sides of the war. MIC is happy to ignore as long as their comfy lifestyle is intact – they don’t care about the young blood.

      By greens, if you mean the green energy folks, then, I think they’ll wholeheartedly accept E-Cats. Yet, they’ll keep a few Solar, Geothermal, Wind etc plants functional as souvenirs of science. Just as ‘it’s not finances that compel a grandma to knit a sweater’, it’s for fun / preservation of art / transferring knowledge etc., similarly, the alternate energy sources will be preserved. No violence needed/expected.

    • Ships at sea will be the easiest transportation to run on LENR because you have lots of stable space for casual and even sloppy engineering. An automobile run by consumers with no technical skills will be a lot more difficult. Of course, aircraft will be very critical for safety issues.

    • I was with you right up until the last paragraph and then it went off the rails.

      I don’t think the vast majority of tree huggers will have a problem with LENR once it is certified as safe. Sure, some will suggest that almost free energy has it risks to the environment but they’d be extremely correct of course.

      • Slad

        15 racks per story is a little extreme (even if we’re talking watercress) but the rest isn’t that fanciful. Also bright lights, good genetics, and CO2 reinforcement are assumed.

        • GreenWin

          Slad, you’re not aware the EPA has declared CO2 a “pollutant?” /sarc

      • Not the activists (‘tree huggers’) but the organisations such as Greenpeace, IPCC, RSPB, WWF etc. who depend on ‘anti-carbon’ funding for their income (= salaries) and power, and which use ‘green’ activism as cover for their own embedded agendas.

        The nuclear lobby, who also use environmentalism to promote their wares as ‘low carbon energy’ will also take a massive hit.

    • Billy Jackson

      the thing with the e-cat that gives a hopeful outlook for countries that depend on imports for food.

      Vertical Farming becomes very practical when you have COPs of 20+ as the price to run all those lights , pumps and hydroponic systems become far cheaper to operate. This allows countries that import food to grow their own as you are no longer limited to prime farm land but to the size and height of your building.. dont quote me on this but a building a single acre wide/long and 10 stories tall can house 15 acre’s of goods per story.. so your one acre of land becomes 150 acres of crops which is substantial crops that can be grown year round not just 1-2 seasons year in optimal conditions with no pesticides or bugs. add in 3 full growing seasons and 1 season of downtime for upgrades/repairs/maintenance or just random things happening and you have 1 acre of city warehouse producing the same food as 450 acre’s of prime farm land. minus transport costs…

      • Agree, this tech will be transformational. The danger though is that in order to limit costs, many trace elements necessary to mammals (copper, zinc, manganese, molybdenum, iodine, bromine, germanium, vanadium, cobalt, selenium etc. etc.) will be missing from the synthetic nutrient mix used for hydroponics fluids, with resulting long term health issues for those who survive primarily on the products of these farms.

        • Omega Z

          You are correct. There are also similar issues with desalinated water.

          To offset this issue, you need to blend/add this greenhouse product into the natural grown food chain. Desalinated water can be added into one’s natural water supply.

          A decade ago, in order to meet new water standards it was determined that reverse osmosis for a portion of our water was cheaper then rebuilding the entire water treatment plant where I live. This removes a lot of beneficial minerals.

          This reverse osmosis water is blended with the primary water supply from the treatment plant. Thus, they reduce the ppm of certain unwanted elements while still having plenty of the desired minerals and elements without the need to add any.

        • georgehants

          Morning Peter, if the transmutation aspect of Cold Fusion is still alive then hopefully, problem solved and no more tearing the land apart for mining except the base product to transform.

          • LarryJ

            It might be difficult to get commercially viable quantities of commodities via transmutation. It is rumoured on Mats Lewans site that the 1 year test of the ecat only transmuted tenths of grams of fuel over an entire year. Even if the whole world was powered by cold fusion the quantity of transmuted elements would be relatively small compared with the demand.

            Once we have a downward spiral in prices due to everyone’s input costs dropping, the lower prices and rising employment worldwide will create a tremendous demand for commodities which can only by met by mining, either here on earth or in space. Once the energy bottleneck is eliminated the next bottleneck will likely be raw materials.

          • georgehants

            You are spoiling my dream ha.
            If one looks at say the UK what more could people possibly want if fed clothed, housed etc. most everything else needed is an improvement in basic services. health, transport etc.
            The point must come where recycling almost covers new production.
            As I think you have mentioned mining the disused tips would produce much discarded material.
            Many people in the World I think do not wish to have employment of the kind we have in the West, just to be assured of the necessities when times are hard and basic services, medical etc. and then be left to get on with their own communal lives.
            A simple exercise of logic shows that employment in many cases is an unneeded illusion just like money simply a device to maintain capitalism.
            Think how many would be out of work without finance, advertising, insurance, mortgages, accountants, tax, vat, etc. etc. the M25 would be empty saving millions in wasted fuel etc.
            Thousands of offices etc. turned into free good quality housing as needed.
            Etc. etc. etc.
            ——–
            Just for those with little knowledge or imagination not a communist dictatorship, but a democratic sensible system

          • orsobubu

            George, but a transitional phase under a communist dictatorship would be necessary to defeat the bourgeoisie dictatorship, because they will never give up without fighting, for the same reason that no father would take away spontaneously the food to their children. Anyway, the world and history is not ready for the revolution, independently from LENR, this will be another step for imperialism, instead

        • bachcole

          I agree. The only way to insure a healthy diet is to do it yourself, and LENR will make that much easier.

      • US_Citizen71

        You have the right idea, but the limit is more like 2 or 3 grow levels per story, unless you are growing moss. You need room for the grow medium be it soil or hydroponics, then room for the plant to grow, room for the light to spread and finally room for the light itself. You might get 4 levels if the plant is short like strawberries. Living in Denver helps one understand the needs of indoor grow spaces. : )

        • Billy Jackson

          oh absolutely. volume of the plant is a big consideration 🙂 I also don’t think vertical farming well ever be viable for large crops (corn) wheat, maize.etc.. .. just to much room needed for those crops to grow. Nor do i believe that vertical farming can ever replace traditional farming 100% but it could be a nice supplement and have a large impact for countries that import large amounts of food.

          http://d9hhrg4mnvzow.cloudfront.net/grow.verticrop.com/vertical-farming/602c0115-vertical-growing-towers_0am0fy0al0fw000000.JPG

          not sure how realistic this image is but thats what i imagine as vertical farming.. though of course as the size of the plants increase you loose density of space.

          • GreenWin

            Would seem some combination of vertical and terra-farming would result in produce both healthy and low cost. In the poorest areas e.g. East Africa, desal irrigation is probably best to create rich farmland. IF low cost desalination and irrigation infrastructure can deliver water inland – poorest nations have new resources to trade and feed themselves. This would reduce zero-resource tribal conflict.

    • GreenWin

      Aramco is both aware of and invested in a transition from petroleum to LENR – it is more important to Middle East than buying defense weapons. All of which is a good geopolitical thing in long run.

      Petro States have an opportunity to convert their main resource to new materials – which will become components of macro-micro LENR reactors IMO: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167577X14003097

      • Brokeeper

        Petro States better start employing said new materials quickly and to adapt to democratic philosophies otherwise the masses will begin to uprise when their supplemental incomes come to a screeching halt.

  • e-dog

    Did I miss something?????
    Im so excited!!

    • LilyLover

      They accepted the inevitability – granted E-Cat patent to Dr. Rossi.
      1MW Low Temp ECat 1 yeaR TEST -> sUCCESSFUL. Results to be announced around 25th March.
      Meanwhile, he created Hot Cat (Tiger) (High Temp). (These belong to IH)
      Then he created E-Cat X (Electricity) -> Work in progress; Direct electricity and some heat in variable ratio … working on on/off switch. (ECatX Belongs to Leonardo Corp)
      Ambitious of Jet ECat within a year.
      Things going good.
      F9 means +/-.
      Welcome Back.

      • DrD

        They still don’t accept LENR, Cold Fusion (Us patent office). I want to see their reactions when the worlds revolving around some thing that they insist doesn’t exist.

        • LilyLover

          Inevitability refers to the uncontainability of ECat just like internet.

        • Omega Z

          LENR, Cold Fusion. The Us patent office may not accept it, but they did allow a patent on a LENR, Cold Fusion device. It was specifically in the patent examination code number. Every patent examiner would know at a glance.

          • DrD

            Really? I didn’t know that. Do you know which one, it ws granted?

          • Omega Z

            Rossi’s Granted U.S. Patent.

            At the top of the patent application, there is a coded number that breaks down into 3 segments I believe. One of those segments is code for and I paraphrase- “What is known as Cold Fusion/LENR”

            It is my intent when I find time to document this and see if someone wants to tack this to the E-cat wiki ecatalyzer page as it claims the patent mentioned nothing about cold fusion.

          • DrD

            I know that patent of course but I still say it has no mention of LENR etc. All those many patents that do are rejected or still pending.
            You can download a pdf copy from here.

            http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892&cpage=64#comments

            I don’t know who told you about a code but is not the same as it being claimed by Rossi or mentioned in plain English. Indeed, if it is in code then it suggests to me that it’s deliberately concealed for some reason.
            However, I know of no such codes in any of my US patents but maybe there is.
            The main point though, Rossi himself doesn’t claim it and when he has, its been thrown out, up to now! But all that may soon change.

            Under edit:
            The only number I can see is the patent number itself.
            US 9,115,913 B1 which we all get.
            The complete number increments chronolgically (I just checked that).

          • Pekka Janhunen

            I looked at espacenet.com and made a search with Rossi’s patent number and with keyword LENR. Rossi’s patent seems to go to non-nuclear classification, but there are other patents that have LENR in the title and that have nuclear classification. One is Robert Godes’ patent, priority date 2006, “Control of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions in
            Hydrides, and Autonomously Controlled Heat Generation Module”. It’s classification is G21 “Nuclear physics, B21B “Fusion reactors”, B21B 3/00 “Low temperature nuclear fusion reactors, e.g. alleged cold fusion reactors”.

          • DrD

            That is interesing. Those were granted or pending?

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Good question. Have to confess that I’m not sure. It seems to me that not. But such classification at least exists.

  • jimbo92107

    Carbon is a very large snake. It will take years for the tail to realize that the head is dead.

  • bachcole

    Could someone review for me any and all confirmations since the Lugano report. I forget. And the Fulvio Fabiani (sp?) interview only counts as 1/2 since he is working closely with Rossi.

  • bachcole

    Could someone review for me any and all confirmations since the Lugano report. I forget. And the Fulvio Fabiani (sp?) interview only counts as 1/2 since he is working closely with Rossi.

  • Adam Lepczak

    Can someone link the “cookbook”? It might come in handy for other people attempting mass replications…

    • Axil Axil

      When the cookbook comes out, the swarm of replicators will be thicker that gnats. I wonder how many wood stoves will be retrofitted with LENR glowsticks. Before next winter, half the village homes in china will be heated with glowsticks.

      • georgehants

        Axil, this was my exact point on the other string, if this is True then MFMP and many others, hopefully will begin to produce units just for the poor, no profit etc.
        Those millions suffering for lack of clean water etc. will have their lives transformed.
        That I believe is the first job of Cold Fusion and all the other things are secondary.

        • GreenWin

          Interesting problem is without external electric control will these homemade glow sticks operate safely in SSM? Should any number melt down or cause damage – the naysayers will have a field day.

          i.e. for the poorest – there must still be a guarantee of safety.

    • Slad
  • Adam Lepczak

    Can someone link the “cookbook”? It might come in handy for other people attempting mass replications…

    • Axil Axil

      When the cookbook comes out, the swarm of replicators will be thicker that gnats. I wonder how many wood stoves will be retrofitted with LENR glowsticks. Before next winter, half the village homes in china will be heated with glowsticks.

      • georgehants

        Axil, this was my exact point on the other string, if this is True then MFMP and many others hopefully, will begin to produce units just for the poor, no profit etc.
        Those millions suffering for lack of clean water etc. will have their lives transformed.
        That I believe is the first job of Cold Fusion etc. and all the other things are secondary.

        • GreenWin

          Interesting problem is without external electric control will these homemade glow sticks operate safely in SSM? Should any number melt down or cause damage – the naysayers will have a field day.

          i.e. for the poorest – there must still be a guarantee of safety.

    • Slad
  • SG

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Celani withhold the recipe for preparing his wires? I would rather hope the announcement is directed to a successful Lugano-type setup. Higher power and all open sourced. But whatever it is, MFMP seems more optimistic than they have in a very long time.

  • Jjaroslav

    Given the recent market upheaval from sinking oil prices I would suggest that readers seriously consider a hedge on the overall market for the short duration. Any reasonable press will shake the world….

    • GreenWin

      Big players are already shaken. This factors into the 70% drop in oil price (publicized as ‘glut.’) All energy-related sectors will tremble. But items like home sales, appliances, and consumer goods will likely rise after gobsmack wears off. Electric car EV sales should rise once public realizes electricity will essentially be free.

      It’ll be interesting to see if manufacturing e.g. Rossi’s factories, will return to the west given lower cost of materials and energy.

  • LilyLover

    They accepted the inevitability – granted E-Cat patent to Dr. Rossi.
    1MW Low Temp ECat 1 yeaR TEST -> sUCCESSFUL. Results to be announced around 25th March.
    Meanwhile, he created Hot Cat (Tiger) (High Temp). (These belong to IH)
    Then he created E-Cat X (Electricity) -> Work in progress; Direct electricity and some heat in variable ratio … working on on/off switch. (ECatX Belongs to Leonardo Corp)
    Ambitious of Jet ECat within a year.
    Things going good.
    F9 means +/-.
    Welcome Back.

    • DrD

      They still don’t accept LENR, Cold Fusion (Us patent office). I want to see their reactions when the worlds revolving around some thing that they insist doesn’t exist.

      • LilyLover

        Inevitability refers to the uncontainability of ECat just like internet.

      • Omega Z

        LENR, Cold Fusion. The Us patent office may not accept it, but they did allow a patent on a LENR, Cold Fusion device. It was specifically in the patent examination code number. Every patent examiner would know at a glance.

        • DrD

          Really? I didn’t know that. Do you know which one, it ws granted?

          • Omega Z

            Rossi’s Granted U.S. Patent.

            At the top of the patent application, there is a coded number that breaks down into 3 segments I believe. One of those segments is code for and I paraphrase- “What is known as Cold Fusion/LENR”

            It is my intent when I find time to document this and see if someone wants to tack this to the E-cat wiki ecatalyzer page as it claims the patent mentioned nothing about cold fusion.

          • DrD

            I know that patent of course but I still say it has no mention of LENR etc. All those many patents that do are rejected or still pending.
            You can download a pdf copy from here.

            http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892&cpage=64#comments

            I don’t know who told you about a code but is not the same as it being claimed by Rossi or mentioned in plain English. Indeed, if it is in code then it suggests to me that it’s deliberately concealed for some reason.
            I know of no such codes in any of my US patents but maybe there is.
            The main point though, Rossi himself doesn’t claim it and when he has, its been thrown out, up to now! But all that may soon change.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            I looked at espacenet.com and made a search with Rossi’s patent number and with keyword LENR. Rossi’s patent seems to go to non-nuclear classification, but there are other patents that have LENR in the title and that have nuclear classification. One is Robert Godes’ patent, priority date 2006, “Control of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions in
            Hydrides, and Autonomously Controlled Heat Generation Module”. It’s classification is G21 “Nuclear physics, B21B “Fusion reactors”, B21B 3/00 “Low temperature nuclear fusion reactors, e.g. alleged cold fusion reactors”.

          • DrD

            That is interesing. Those were granted or pending?

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Good question. Have to confess that I’m not sure. It seems to me that not. But such classification at least exists.

  • Owen Geiger

    Let’s hope they can trigger the reactions AND sustain them. Now that would be something to celebrate, especially if they splashed simple directions across the Internet. This would launch a worldwide gold rush to LENR.

    • GreenWin

      Mills’ Raney nickel experiments were replicated by third parties. They could spike excess heat pretty much on demand. They just could not sustain it.

  • catfish

    did MFMP have a successful replication?

  • Slad

    15 racks per story is a little extreme (even if we’re talking watercress) but the rest isn’t that fanciful. Also bright lights, good genetics, and CO2 reinforcement are assumed.

    • GreenWin

      Slad, you’re not aware the EPA has declared CO2 a “pollutant?” /sarc

  • Gerrit
  • Gerrit
  • georgehants

    Wonderful day

  • georgehants

    Wonderful day

  • I imagine this announcement must be linked to Sanjeev’s post and Alan Smith’s confirmation on the recent ‘licencees’ thread, where it may have been missed by some:

    http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/02/21/industrial-heat-the-only-remaining-e-cat-licensee/#comment-2526893469

    March 1st is just a week away.

    • Alan Smith

      No- lookingforheat.com is a separate initiative entirely, but we have always supported MFMP’s efforts and are as pleased as anyone that they have (hopefull) made substantial progress.Tomorrow (wednesday) seems further away than usual somehow!

      • Thanks for the clarification, Alan. Two for the price of one, then!

        The escape into the wild of the core techniques that can reliably produce cold fusion on demand, and which can be copied by experimenters, would be just about the most important development for the world that I can imagine.

  • I imagine this announcement must be linked to Sanjeev’s post and Alan Smith’s confirmation on the recent ‘licencees’ thread, where it may have been missed by some:

    http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/02/21/industrial-heat-the-only-remaining-e-cat-licensee/#comment-2526893469

    We are not selling the glowstick, or anything like it, but a totally different type of low-cost and re-usable reactor system and all the needful other items to go with it.
    It’s a system that (with the right fuel and the right heater drive) can give fast clear and consistent results without any need for calorimetry. It’s just sensible engineering. We are not claiming any magic, but hoping to enable more people to test and replicate. I am told btw, that is is a little like some of AR’s earlier bench testing systems. But that’s a secret.

    Alan Smith

    March 1st (the date the website goes live) is just a week away.

    • Alan Smith

      No- lookingforheat.com is a separate initiative entirely, but we have always supported MFMP’s efforts and are as pleased as anyone that they have (hopefull) made substantial progress.Tomorrow (wednesday) seems further away than usual somehow!

      • Thanks for the clarification, Alan. Two for the price of one, then!

        The escape into the wild of the core techniques that can reliably produce cold fusion on demand, and which can be copied by experimenters, would be just about the most important development for the world that I can imagine.

  • Not the activists (‘tree huggers’) but the organisations such as Greenpeace, IPCC, RSPB, WWF etc. who depend on ‘anti-carbon’ funding for their income (= salaries) and power, and which use ‘green’ activism as cover for their own embedded agendas.

    The nuclear lobby, who also use environmentalism to promote their wares as ‘low carbon energy’ will also take a massive hit.

  • passerby

    Congrats MFMP, always believed in you guys.

  • Rip Kirbyian

    What does the update to the Facebook -post and quantumheat.com site mean?
    10: 1 x/b- Pb IR 5
    20: GOTO 10

    • Enrique Ferreyra

      An algorithm, a very simple one.
      Its an iteration…
      Do the: “1 x/b- Pb IR 5”, then go back and do it again, then go back and do it again, etc…

      • Lead (Pb) and infrared (IR)?

        Maybe it has something to do with the optical stimulation known by Holmlid.

        • Enrique Ferreyra

          Have asked the same in the mfmp web site…

        • Slad

          What could b- mean?

          • Ecco

            β- ?

          • Stephen Taylor

            Google search for “infrared beta decay” turned up some stuff I am looking at. Might be on the wrong path but it’s better than just waiting.
            Edit: nothing there really. Infrared is, of course, non- ionizing radiation.

          • Slad

            hmmmm… now that would be interesting 😉

          • Enrique Ferreyra

            yes.

          • Stephen Taylor

            Hi Slad, possibly B magnetic field? Measured in Tesla, Lorentz force.

          • makes sense.
            Is a negative magnetic field possible?

            Or do we have to read the formular like this:
            1*[x/(b- Pb)] * I*R*5

            Maybe I and R are the formular electrical units for current (I) and resistance (R)?? I * R = voltage, so we have 5 V??

            Can this being used to describe a magnetic field frequency?

            If you look at Ohm’s law, you can find also an “x” and “b”
            https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/5/d/9/5d97dd7f337fdecae50ceff1707a6851.png

          • Stephen Taylor

            Paraphrased from ” physics forum” errors and omissions my own: Light is a combination of an electric and magnetic field. A changing electric field creates a magnetic field and a changing magnetic field creates an electric field. The two fields oscillate in step “reinforcing” each other as the light propagates through space. …the oscillations of the field have a frequency. End.
            Somewhere along the line LENR has a connection to the terahertz (IR) frequency range. It may make Frank Zinadarsic very happy if my recollection is correct.

    • Brent Buckner

      I think you mean the quantumheat.org site – no point advertising someone else at the .com site!

  • Enrique Ferreyra

    An algorithm, a very simple one.
    Its an iteration…
    Do the: “1 x/b- Pb IR 5”, then go back and do it again, then go back and do it again, etc…

    • Lead (Pb) and infraread (IR)?

      Maybe it has something to do with the optical stimulation known by Holmlid.

      • Enrique Ferreyra

        Have asked the same in the mfmp web site…

      • Slad

        What could b- mean?

        • Ecco

          β- ?

          • Stephen Taylor

            Google search for “infrared beta decay” turned up some stuff I am looking at. Might be on the wrong path but it’s better than just waiting.

          • Slad

            hmmmm

          • Enrique Ferreyra

            yes.

        • Stephen Taylor

          Hi Slad, possibly B magnetic field? Measured in Tesla, Lorentz force.

          • makes sense.
            Is a negative magnetic field possible?

            Or do we have to read the formular like this:
            1*[x/(b- Pb)] * I*R*5

            Maybe I and R are the formular electrical units for current (I) and resistance (R)??

            Can this being used to describe a magnetic field frequency?

          • Stephen Taylor

            Paraphrased from ” physics forum” errors and omissions my own: Light is a combination of an electric and magnetic field. A changing electric field creates a magnetic field and a changing magnetic field creates an electric field. The two fields oscillate in step “reinforcing” each other as the light propagates through space. …the oscillations of the field have a frequency. End.
            Somewhere along the line LENR has a connection to the terahertz (IR) frequency range. It may make Frank Zinadarsic very happy if my recollection is correct.

  • GordonDocherty

    Can’t come soon enough:

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/video/2015/sep/08/koalas-your-trees-are-growing-on-our-coal-protest-groups-anti-shenhua-mine-message-video

    Despite the above, the mine has been approved… If, however, there is no more market for the coal…

    • Enrique Ferreyra

      There is no more room for carbon dioxide, we are close to a runaway, govs should get it…
      But you know.. politicians

      • bachcole

        CO2 has been much higher in the distant pass without a runaway. There is no need for hysteria about that.

        • Enrique Ferreyra

          Context (Earth) is different.
          In the more distant pass there was no life also.

          • Ged

            The cretaceous and mid devonian (and carboniferous) had way more CO2 than now (1200 ppm in cretaceous), and both were eras of far more life and diversity of life than now. The dinos didn’t mind. It was the cold post asteroid impact that killed them.

          • Geologic Global Climate Changes
            Author: Nasif Nahle

            ABSTRACT

            Scientific studies have shown that atmospheric Carbon Dioxide in past eras reached concentrations that were 20 times higher than the current concentration. Recent investigations have shown that the current change of climate is part of a larger cycle known as climatic lowstand phase which precedes a sequential warming period known as transgression phase. The purpose of this evaluation is to demonstrate that the Earth is actually cooling, in the context of the total geological timescale, and that the current change is equivalent to a serial climate phase known as lowstand.

            http://www.biocab.org/carbon_dioxide_geological_timescale.html

          • Kristian

            It is not so much the absolute level of CO2 that’s the problem, it is the rate at which it is currently increasing. It’s not that a particular climate is necessarily “bad” for the “average life form”, it is the drastic changes in climate over a short period of time that may lead to mass extinction.

          • Ged

            And the rate isn’t any faster than past era boundaries. Even temperatures are not changing very fast at all. The hottest, most adjusted data set is 1.6C per 100 years. Well below the 2C “worry” threshold that was attempted to be drummed up. In the end, the earth is just fine, and nukes or asteroids remain the true danger.

          • Kristian

            And can you say for sure that past rapid rises in temperature did not lead to mass extinction? We also can’t compare past species to the human race. The human race is very dependent on a specific local climate to provide proper water balance for agriculture and have built large cities in places that are vulnerable to climate change (whatever the reason might be). Also, humans have a tendency to start war when their climate is changed rapidly. Rapid climate change often causes starvation and a competition for water and food, which increases the risk for conflicts. Humans also have nuclear weapons to use when they start these conflicts, which other species (past and current) didn’t have…

          • Ged

            That is the weakest and most contrary to reality set of arguments I have ever seen. Humans have the Widest climate range of all species on this planet. Human agriculture is robust and has only been improving in yield tear to year despite any changes. We farm from arid, desert, gassland, and marshland. There is farming from Texas to North Dakota. Tell me, how big is the temperature range between those two states?

            The Only places humans don’t farm, are those that are perpetually -too cold-, such as tundra.

            Worst yet, for you, is that present day is several C colder than the Holocene optimum, which humans and all other modern species already experienced and flurished. Some of the times of greatest hardship and war in human history have been times of surprising cold, such as the little ice age, or the collapse of the Roman warm period (which was also warmer than now). Jamestown was almost completely wiped out by cold, not heat, when the new world was being settled. Cold descimates crops and soil, it is no friend to life.

          • The Earth was teeming with life when atmospheric CO2 levels were 10 times higher than today. When they pay “scientists” to come up with predetermined conclusions, that is not science at all. Real science is always open minded, cautious, and absolutely non-religious.

            See:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vRspcsrBes

          • GreenWin

            The Cambrian ‘explosion’ producing the largest expansion of flora and fauna on earth started with CO2 levels moving from 1200 ppm. Facts not taught in climate school. As bachole says, no need for hysteria.

    • GordonDocherty

      CO2? Maybe. But this link is to a satirical campaign video and is really about pleading for the protection of endangered species who can’t talk for themselves (specifically, in this case, Koalas). Remove the need for the coal and you remove the “reason” to destroy the fast-dwindling populations of Koalas and other native species. Or, is a barren coal field devoid of life a more constructive use of (limited) living space on this planet?

  • GordonDocherty

    Can’t come soon enough:

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/video/2015/sep/08/koalas-your-trees-are-growing-on-our-coal-protest-groups-anti-shenhua-mine-message-video

    Despite the above, the mine has been approved… If, however, there is no more market for the coal…

    • Enrique Ferreyra

      There is no more room for carbon dioxide, we are close to a runaway, govs should get it…
      But you know.. politicians / Edit: and scientists and… just people…

      • bachcole

        CO2 has been much higher in the distant pass without a runaway. There is no need for hysteria about that.

        • Enrique Ferreyra

          Context (Earth) is different.
          In the more distant pass there was no life also.

          • Ged

            The cretaceous and mid devonian (and carboniferous) had way more CO2 than now (1200 ppm in cretaceous), and both were eras of far more life and diversity of life than now. The dinos didn’t mind. It was the cold post asteroid impact that killed them.

          • Geologic Global Climate Changes
            Author: Nasif Nahle

            ABSTRACT

            Scientific studies have shown that atmospheric Carbon Dioxide in past eras reached concentrations that were 20 times higher than the current concentration. Recent investigations have shown that the current change of climate is part of a larger cycle known as climatic lowstand phase which precedes a sequential warming period known as transgression phase. The purpose of this evaluation is to demonstrate that the Earth is actually cooling, in the context of the total geological timescale, and that the current change is equivalent to a serial climate phase known as lowstand.

            http://www.biocab.org/carbon_dioxide_geological_timescale.html

            http://www.biocab.org/Geological_TS_SL_and_CO2.jpg

          • Kristian

            It is not so much the absolute level of CO2 that’s the problem, it is the rate at which it is currently increasing. It’s not that a particular climate is necessarily “bad” for the “average life form”, it is the drastic changes in climate over a short period of time that may lead to mass extinction.

          • Ged

            And the rate isn’t any faster than past era boundaries. Even temperatures are not changing very fast at all. The hottest, most adjusted data set is 1.6C per 100 years. Well below the 2C “worry” threshold that was attempted to be drummed up. In the end, the earth is just fine, and nukes or asteroids remain the true danger.

          • Kristian

            And can you say for sure that past rapid rises in temperature did not lead to mass extinction? We also can’t compare past species to the human race. The human race is very dependent on a specific local climate to provide proper water balance for agriculture and have built large cities in places that are vulnerable to climate change (whatever the reason might be). Also, humans have a tendency to start war when their climate is changed rapidly. Rapid climate change often causes starvation and a competition for water and food, which increases the risk for conflicts. Humans also have nuclear weapons to use when they start these conflicts, which other species (past and current) didn’t have…

          • Ged

            That is the weakest and most contrary to reality set of arguments I have ever seen. Humans have the Widest climate range of all species on this planet. Human agriculture is robust and has only been improving in yield tear to year despite any changes. We farm from arid, desert, gassland, and marshland. There is farming from Texas to North Dakota. Tell me, how big is the temperature range between those two states?

            The Only places humans don’t farm, are those that are perpetually -too cold-, such as tundra.

            Worst yet, for you, is that present day is several C colder than the Holocene optimum, which humans and all other modern species already experienced and flurished. Some of the times of greatest hardship and war in human history have been times of surprising cold, such as the little ice age, or the collapse of the Roman warm period (which was also warmer than now). Jamestown was almost completely wiped out by cold, not heat, when the new world was being settled. Cold descimates crops and soil, it is no friend to life.

          • yes rising CO2 is not a threat to life on earth in general. it’s a threat to countless species and to human civilization.

          • So this wouldn’t have anything to do with the current mass extinction then, rather than a few extra ppm of a harmless and natural gas..

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqATQtwOY34

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9cQfcKR0EM

          • bachcole

            I confess that you just made a good point. If I and a couple dozen local farmers woke up tomorrow morning on a tropical island, hey, what a great climate! But we would have no clue how to grow anything.

          • bachcole

            Enrique, like most people, will simply reinterpret that data point to fit into his AGW hysterian paradigm.

          • The Earth was teeming with life when atmospheric CO2 levels were 10 times higher than today. When they pay “scientists” to come up with predetermined conclusions, that is not science at all. Real science is always open minded, cautious, and absolutely non-religious.

            See:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vRspcsrBes

          • bachcole

            I agree 100%.

            Notice that you said non-religious, not anti-religious. The sciencism crowd think that it should be anti-religious.

          • GreenWin

            The Cambrian ‘explosion’ producing the largest expansion of flora and fauna on earth started with CO2 levels moving from 1200 ppm. Facts not taught in climate school. As bachole says, no need for hysteria.

          • bachcole

            bachcole said that. Johann Sebastian Bach plus Thomas Cole. I don’t know a bachole. (:->)

    • GordonDocherty

      CO2? Maybe. But this link is to a satirical campaign video and is really about pleading for the protection of endangered species who can’t talk for themselves (specifically, in this case, Koalas). Remove the need for the coal and you remove the “reason” to destroy the fast-dwindling populations of Koalas and other native species. Or, is a barren coal field devoid of life a more constructive use of (limited) living space on this planet?

  • Sounds prophetic and well it should. The falling away of the age of Big Oil feels like a spiritual liberation for the world with hopeful possibilities of making the world a better place.

  • Sounds prophetic and well it should. The falling away of the age of Big Oil feels like a spiritual liberation for the world with hopeful possibilities of making the world a better place.

  • JDM

    Added clue
    1h x/b- Pb IR/THz 5h

    probably plenty more to add to this…

  • JDM

    Added clue
    1h x/b- Pb IR/THz 5h

    probably plenty more to add to this…

  • Teemu Soilamo

    Even more clues:
    10: 1h x/b- Pb IR/THz 5h (SSM)
    20: GOTO 10

    5 hours of SSM?

  • Teemu Soilamo

    Even more clues:
    10: 1h x/b- Pb IR/THz 5h (SSM)
    20: GOTO 10

    5 hours of SSM?

  • Robert Dorr

    Added another clue.
    1h x/b- Pb IR/THz 5h(SSM)

  • Robert Dorr

    Added another clue.
    1h x/b- Pb IR/THz 5h(SSM)

  • Kristian

    Brings my mind to the programming language BASIC and Bill Gates… Maybe he will sponsor a proven “Software Development Kit”?

  • Kristian

    Brings my mind to the programming language BASIC and Bill Gates… Maybe he will sponsor a proven “LENR Development Kit”?

  • GreenWin

    Big players are already shaken. This factors into the 70% drop in oil price (publicized as ‘glut.’) All energy-related sectors will tremble. But items like home sales, appliances, and consumer goods will likely rise after gobsmack wears off. Electric car EV sales should rise once public realizes electricity will essentially be free.

    It’ll be interesting to see if manufacturing e.g. Rossi’s factories, will return to the west given lower cost of materials and energy.

  • Brent Buckner

    I think you mean the quantumheat.org site – no point advertising someone else at the .com site!

  • They have a pretty good head start. If they can’t get ‘product’ out there quickly enough to make vast profits, then others will overtake them. The business world is very Darwinian when there is real competition.

  • On LENR Forum Bob Higgins made another statement.
    He’s writing on the article MFMP is preparing:

    https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2795-MFMP-What-do-they-want-to-tell-us/?postID=14176#post14176

  • So this would not have anything to do with extreme climate events and mass exteinctions then..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9cQfcKR0EM

  • Sanjeev

    if you give a man a cup of tea, he will drink it all and have none
    tomorrow, but if you show him how to make tea, he will be drinking tea
    for the rest of his life.

    http://newenergytreasure.com/2016/02/23/big-revelation-coming/

    • Obvious

      Show a man that tea is warmed-up pee, and give him no access to other information about tea, then he will probably believe that is what tea is.

      Just sayin…

      • Sanjeev

        Applies to hot fusion guys? 😀

        • Obvious

          T and P get mixed up all over the place

    • Doug Cutler

      Give a man the land upon which the tea plant grows and he may figure this all out for himself without any of your help.

  • Sanjeev

    if you give a man a cup of tea, he will drink it all and have none
    tomorrow, but if you show him how to make tea, he will be drinking tea
    for the rest of his life.

    http://newenergytreasure.com/2016/02/23/big-revelation-coming/

    • Obvious

      Show a man that tea is warmed-up pee, and give him no access to other information about tea, then he will probably believe that is what tea is.

      Just sayin…

      • Sanjeev

        Applies to hot fusion guys? 😀

        • Obvious

          T and P get mixed up all over the place

    • Doug Cutler

      Give a man the land upon which the tea plant grows and he may figure this all out for himself without any of your help.

      • bachcole

        Only if he has the culture to understand what a treasure he has.

        • Doug Cutler

          Education, always. Bring on the knowledge. My point is to caution against the patronizing colonial attitude which has historically frequently overridden local knowledge en route to disaster.

  • Rip Kirbyian

    Man, they have ramped up the excitement and expectations here. Hard to see how they really could deliver on this. But then again the LENR-community is very used to be disappointed 😉

  • Enrique Ferreyra

    It was β- good guess

    • Enrique Ferreyra

      could x be some Ni isotope ? 1 hour of some Ni isotope beta decay ?

      • Esko Lyytinen

        maybe at this stage give some X-ray and beta- radiation, (resulting to Pb maybe) .

        • Enrique Ferreyra

          x is for X-ray is a nice bet.

          • Esko Lyytinen

            And in this Pb may only mean that needs some shielding for the radiation.

          • Esko Lyytinen

            You get out thermal radiation or maybe THz radiation more than thermal.
            IF you can detect these (X and beta with some internal detector maybe), then you have the correct “signal” and can expect even sustained SSM. This is my guess.

          • Bob Matulis

            I am very interested in finding out what this is all about. My experience is MFMP approaches these tests methodically and conservatively. They also have demonstrated a desire to reign in expectations and not get carried away with initial promising results.
            If this is not a hack and MFMP is actually making these claims (which appears to be the case) I would be surprised if this forthcoming announcement is not:
            1) Significant
            2) Well founded
            Rossi is a pioneer and advancing LENR but can at times be a bit hyperbolic. Not so MFMP
            Can’t wait! 🙂

          • deleo77

            Above is the beginning of a recipe for how to produce a basic LENR reaction that will show undeniable results that it works. Nothing fancy but it is reproducible. Any university lab can produce LENR as soon as all of the ingredients and steps are filled in. I don’t know if it will lead to newspapers printing the headline “Cold Fusion has been discovered”, but their goal was to see if the Martin Fleischmann was on to something. And tomorrow everyone will see that he was.

          • bachcole

            Fabulous insight.

          • Supposedly they were controlling with music… perhaps getting the Led out?????

            Pb

            In any case, we clearly we have a Communication Breakdown

          • Esko Lyytinen

            As I suggested earlier, I think that Pb is used only symbolically in this. Lead is typically used for shielding radiation. In this, actual Pb is not needed but some level shielding is in effect. In this it means that X-ray and beta will not actually get out but IR and THz radiation will.

          • In any case, the painfully slow reveal is now slanting towards theory rather than an experimental recipe.

            Which would be hugely significant if they can make it work AND know why.

          • Sanjeev

            I see no reason to hype theory. Theory will not end the age of carbon, I guess….

          • You can set me straight in an hour and a half.

          • Sanjeev

            I hope its not only a theory or something written somewhere. Don’t know yet.

          • Axil Axil

            I heard from MFMP that they did not concern themselves with theory. They only dealt with experimental facts. Let us hope they stay faithful to the dictum.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Agreed indeed.

          • My other thought about Pb was that the P could be proton and the b could be the emitted electron… so some kind of electron capture leading to a cold neutron.

            Seems like there have to be neutrons somewhere/somehow to generate all the transmutations that have been reported.

            Just a thought.

          • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

            It really looks like they have found irrefutable proof of LENR, otherwise this whole exercise seems a bit strange to me. I get that they are very exited if it is true, but surely expectations are really high now.

            Anyway, they have added another step to the recipe:

            1. Bake Ni
            2. Reduce Ni
            3. Hydrogenate Ni
            5. Mix: Ni + LiAlH4 + Li
            6. Bake and vac reactor, add Nickel, vac warm, add H2, Vac

          • Teemu Soilamo

            1. Bake Ni
            2. Reduce Ni
            3. Hydrogenate Ni
            4. ?
            5. Mix: Ni + LiAlH4 + Li
            6. Bake and vac reactor, add Nickel, vac warm, add H2, Vac
            7. Profit

          • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

            You know, I didn’t even notice that. So another teaser. This better be good.

            17. Profit 😉

          • LukeDC
          • Frank Acland

            I’ve started a new thread with this recipe here http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/02/24/mfmp-publish-their-lenr-recipe/

        • Albert D. Kallal

          Well, Gates says nothing about LENR or
          cold fusion. In fact he pushing a “very” traditional fission reactor (traveling
          wave) which is really stupid, does not solve the waste problem, and really is
          more of the “same old” technology that not practical on a smaller level.

          In other words, he pushing ANYTHING and
          EVERYTHING but LENR.

          In other words, same old system. Anyone
          who actually is SPEAKING about energy cannot possible be UN-aware of cold fusion.

          Gates does state that cost of any energy
          breakthrough has to compete with fossil fuels. So some of his points are fair,
          but leaving out the BEST BET and BEST hope for mankind and NOT mentioning LENR
          is a scandal by ANYONE books. I mean the French newspaper just yesterday had a
          GREAT and large article on LENR.

          I mean, at least talk about LFTR (thorium)
          reactors, or at least mention LENR. However, NOT ONE peep! As if people at this
          level of knowledge and intelligent are not aware of LENR? (it is NOT possible!!!).

          > any chance of coincidence??? 🙂

          Was there one particular sentence from
          that interview that is relevant to LENR?

          About the only thing stated is we really
          need some kind of energy that is mostly pollution free, and is cost competitive.

          Any serious talk that leaves out LENR means that person is either un-informed, or scared to death of such a new energy source. You cannot be a “leading” spokesperson for energy and by some amazing accident leave out LENR.

          Regards,
          Albert D. Kallal
          Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • MWerner

            Bill and Melinda are going to be on the Tonight show with Jimmy Fallon tonight. Maybe they will play Egg Roulette!

      • Stephen Taylor

        Heat (thermal) something (x) for 1 hour, beta decay, yields lead and IR THz (excess heat as infrared energy) for 5 hours SSM. Repeat. ????

  • Enrique Ferreyra

    It was β- good guess by Ecco

    • Enrique Ferreyra

      could x be some Ni isotope ? 1 hour of some Ni isotope beta minus decay ?

      • Esko Lyytinen

        maybe at this stage give some X-ray and beta- radiation, (resulting to Pb maybe) .

        • Enrique Ferreyra

          x is for X-ray is a nice bet.

          • Esko Lyytinen

            And in this Pb may only mean that needs some shielding for the radiation.

          • Esko Lyytinen

            You get out thermal radiation or maybe THz radiation more than thermal.
            IF you can detect these (X and beta with some internal detector maybe), then you have the correct “signal” and can expect even sustained SSM. This is my guess.

      • Stephen Taylor

        Heat (thermal) something (x) for 1 hour, beta decay, yields lead and IR THz (excess heat as infrared energy) for 5 hours SSM. Repeat. ????
        Edit: Thallium 207 (actinium c) beta decays to lead. Half life 4.77 minutes. Energy released is 1.418 MeV. This must be way off and not at all what MFMP are talking about. Wrong on many levels. Fission, not LENR. Etc.

  • Fastbuck

    Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project Project
    Donors that have cumulatively donated $100 or more since the start of
    the project by 22:00 UTC will receive advanced information today.

    The main public roll out will commence at some point tomorrow.

    Here’s hoping one of you MFMP donors will be so kind as to share the “advanced information” with the rest of us freeloaders;-)

    • E-gatto

      Sure… everybody who wants priviledged information, please send me 0.1 bitcoins 😉

  • Enrique Ferreyra

    1h Thermal > x/β- > Pb > IR/THz > 5h (SSM)

    where ‘>’ means ‘leads to’

    • Obvious

      Well, if you could convert 1 kWh of heat energy to MeV quanta, somehow, you could have potentially a very large number of those quanta units. Even a small conversion rate would be a significant number of units.

      I offer no explanation of how that might be done.

  • artefact

    I can not see the comments below the cookbook entry on the MFMP facebook page. Under different topics on that page it works. Am I the only one?

    works now…

    • Teemu Soilamo

      I can see the comments just fine. MFMP just posted this:

      “Something of this importance requires the attention of many, but you will be amongst the open minded first few to have the opportunity to understand the information and its significance. We, as a species, have a gift from nature in our grasp and it will change history.”

      • They’ve done it!

        Or at least they think they’ve done it.

        I hope they did it.

    • e-dog

      Nope, I cant access the comments any more. I could last night, sorry 12 hours ago… By the way Bob and the hug team…..

      OH!! congratulations on what ever you got! Firm believer in the “live open science” thingy. Love it and love how MFMP is doing it….well were doing it.
      This 3 day delay isnt exactly live any more, is it?? and Open?? seems like we might be getting a bit shut out for the moment!! Im hoping there is science going on still!!! hahah.

      Sorry guys, just been putting up with lack of info with the whole rossi saga for years now, does it show?

      Sorry, lost my point! By the way Bob and the hug team…. pretty sure its Wednesday over in New Zealand right now!!!
      COME ON!!! Dont hurt me like this…

      Gosh oh gosh, I hope the MFMP website hasnt been hacked and we are getting ultra trolled..

  • Pb = Playback (the music)?

  • Pb = Playback (the music)?… well the lead shield then?

    • Sam Walker

      It says, near as I can tell, apply heat for an hour and the fuel beta decays (or absorbs beta/electrons) until it transmutes to lead (Pb), releasing energy in the
      IR to terahertz range of EM, for 5 hours at same or better total energy as at the start with a solid-state matrix/material.

      But I’m sure we’ll find out soon enough.

  • e-dog

    This is on techinsider.io last night.
    THE BILL GATES INTERVIEW: “An energy miracle is coming, and it’s going to change the world” Bill Gates

    any chance of coincidence??? 🙂

    • Albert D. Kallal

      Well, Gates says nothing about LENR or
      cold fusion. In fact he pushing a “very” traditional fission reactor (traveling
      wave) which is really stupid, does not solve the waste problem, and really is
      more of the “same old” technology that not practical on a smaller level.

      In other words, he pushing ANYTHING and
      EVERYTHING but LENR.

      In other words, same old system. Anyone
      who actually is SPEAKING about energy cannot possible be UN-aware of cold fusion.

      Gates does state that cost of any energy
      breakthrough has to compete with fossil fuels. So some of his points are fair,
      but leaving out the BEST BET and BEST hope for mankind and NOT mentioning LENR
      is a scandal by ANYONE books. I mean the French newspaper just yesterday had a
      GREAT and large article on LENR.

      I mean, at least talk about LFTR (thorium)
      reactors, or at least mention LENR. However, NOT ONE peep! As if people at this
      level of knowledge and intelligent are not aware of LENR? (it is NOT possible!!!).

      > any chance of coincidence??? 🙂

      Was there one particular sentence from
      that interview that is relevant to LENR?

      About the only thing stated is we really
      need some kind of energy that is mostly pollution free, and is cost competitive.

      Any serious talk that leaves out LENR means that person is either un-informed, or scared to death of such a new energy source. You cannot be a “leading” spokesperson for energy and by some amazing accident leave out LENR.

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • e-dog

        Good summary Albert.
        Yes I do agree that he totally is ignorant about LENR.
        and I do think its just a coincidence that the MFMP news and Gates talking about energy miracles happening at the same time are just that… a coincidence.

        Eh! wheres that french news article? do you have a link???

      • MWerner

        Bill and Melinda are going to be on the Tonight show with Jimmy Fallon tonight. Maybe they will play Egg Roulette!

      • bachcole

        Another elite preparing himself for an even greater fall than he would have if he had thought things through.

    • GreenWin

      Pardon my intrusion gents. I think the following comments don’t recognize the silent agenda Bill Gates is working with. Bill is referencing an energy miracle that is:
      “…a kind of thing like a computer on a chip, or the internet, or the
      cellphone, that are really quite miraculous. Most people would not have
      predicted them, and their effect has been very, very dramatic.”

      The traveling wave is just a cleaner fission reactor. Bill knows this. He correctly cites the enormous (~$50B) subsidies given to wind and solar – yet still we need methane peaking to supplement intermittentcy. Bill doesn’t really care about his investments in fission or fusion. He runs a foundation dedicated to eradicate disease – ALL disease globally.

      The gist of this interview is Mr. Gates knows exactly what is coming (LENR). He is pounding tha table for government funding at 50% the level we spend on health ($30B.) AND he has assembled some 27 private funds, foundations, philanthropists, etc. to help drive energy innovation. This is exactly what LENR needs to thrive and expand globally.

      Look, Mr. Gates has no need for money. He is rewarded by finding BIG solutions to BIG problems. Aside his politically mandated climate pose, Bill Gates knows LENR is here, is real, is a giant step for mankind — and he is campaigning to build the war chest necessary to deliver it to the entire planet. Go ahead, call me naive. But really. What does a very smart guy with a $100B foundation need to do… except good?

  • artefact

    I hope they tested the experiment the “Lugano team” set up to confirm it and doing so getting the information they need.
    That would explain why they could have already told us on last wednesday (like Bob said) because the 1 year test was over and then probably an NDA would be over.

  • artefact

    I hope they tested the experiment the “Lugano team” set up to confirm it and doing so getting the information they need.
    That would explain why they could have already told us on last wednesday (like Bob said) because the 1 year test was over and then probably an NDA would be over.

  • Stephen Haigh

    According to MFMP they first got this breakthrough last wednesday, which coincides with the end of the 1MW test and Mats annoucement etc.
    I wonder if IH have given MFMP the final secret to activation, as it now suits their purposes to have a 2nd trusted validation.
    Maybe even IH are planning some executive summary annoucement wednesday too, along with confirmation from MFMP.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    It now confirms that ‘>’ means ‘leads to’.
    If it means that 1 hour input heating gives 5 hours output heating at the same power, then COP=6 as in first-generation E-cats.

    • Where does it show the ‘input time’ is limited to 1 hr… that’s mighty interesting

      • Teemu Soilamo

        It says it right there. 1h input, 5h SSM.

    • Sanjeev

      Surely looks like something related to the working principle of the Ecat. But the real question is has MFMP tested it themselves or is it simply based on the report summary or word of mouth etc.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    It now confirms that ‘>’ means ‘leads to’.
    If it means that 1 hour input heating gives 5 hours output heating at the same power, then COP=6 as in first-generation E-cats.

    • Where does it show the ‘input time’ is limited to 1 hr… that’s mighty interesting

      • Teemu Soilamo

        It says it right there. 1h input, 5h SSM.

    • Sanjeev

      Surely looks like something related to the working principle of the Ecat. But the real question is has MFMP tested it themselves or is it simply based on the report summary or word of mouth etc.

  • JDM

    Meanwhile the ETF DUG (ultrashort oil and gas) is up 5-1/2% on the day…

  • JDM

    Meanwhile the ETF DUG (ultrashort oil and gas) is up 5-1/2% on the day…

  • e-dog

    1 hour of Thermal energy input to the experiment
    >leads to
    x / beta decay or nuke transmutation (fraction of the material beta decaying?)
    >which leads to
    Pb or Lead ( and the transmutation product is a typo? Pd=Palladium?PolyButylene?Plumbum or liquid silver)
    >which then leads to
    A release of TeraHertz frequency of InfraRed Radiation (excess heat)
    >which also then leads to
    5 hours of Self Sustaining Mode of the reaction (chain reaction?)

    whats the x mean?

    • Andreas Moraitis

      X-rays, I would guess.

      • e-dog

        Yep, that of course makes sense…

      • Andreas Moraitis

        = Bremsstrahlung from beta decay.

  • Jamie Sibley

    I read it as beta minus decay goes to Lead, and since beta minus decay causes an increase in atomic number, the initial element is Titanium. Ergo, Titanium goes to beta minus decay, goes to Lead. No idea about the x/ .

    • e-dog

      Titanium is a bit of a jump up to Lead?

    • Wasn’t there an experiment by some ukraine researchers which used titanium? The first post of MFMP was submitted at czech republic. Maybe someone visited them?

    • Pekka Janhunen

      No it would be thallium(tee-el), if it means that

  • Supposedly they were controlling with music… perhaps getting the Led out?????

    Pb

    In any case, we clearly we have a Communication Breakdown

    • Esko Lyytinen

      As I suggested earlier, I think that Pb is used only symbolically in this. Lead is typically used for shielding radiation. In this, actual Pb is not needed but some level shielding is in effect. In this it means that X-ray and beta will not actually get out but IR and THz radiation will.

      • e-dog

        Thats a fair call. So its like a cookbook recipe – without the ingredients – just the method.

        I hope they have more than this…. you cant make a cake with just this! or a cup of tea

      • In any case, the painfully slow reveal is now slanting towards theory rather than an experimental recipe.

        Which would be hugely significant if they can make it work AND know why.

        • Sanjeev

          I see no reason to hype theory. Theory will not end the age of carbon, I guess….

          • You can set me straight in an hour and a half.

          • Sanjeev

            I hope its not only a theory or something written somewhere. Don’t know yet.

          • Axil Axil

            I heard from MFMP that they did not concern themselves with theory. They only dealt with experimental facts. Let us hope they stay faithful to the dictum.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Agreed indeed.

    • My other thought about Pb was that the P could be proton and the b could be the emitted electron… so some kind of electron capture leading to a cold neutron.

      Seems like there have to be neutrons somewhere/somehow to generate all the transmutations that have been reported.

      Just a thought.

      ON EDIT: Now they point to a post that describes gamma detection and lead shielding. So Pb is probably just lead.

  • Zeddicus23

    x presumably refers to X-rays. I’m not sure about the Pb…absorbing X-rays and beta particles (electrons) by Pb could lead to Terzhertz IR but I don’t see how that’s self-sustaining unless there is some sort of feedback on the Ni, Al, H. Of course, production of X-rays/beta particles by heated Ni, Al, H remains somewhat of a mystery.

  • artefact

    on FB: “All will be clear, it will feel like a veil has been lifted and you can see the path ahead.”

  • artefact

    on FB: “All will be clear, it will feel like a veil has been lifted and you can see the path ahead.”

    • e-dog

      Thanks artefact, cant get the FB comments for some reason.
      Not that the comment helps any… are they milking this for a suspense thriller movie deal in the future??? Its very obi wan ish

      • artefact

        obi wan ish? eat that: on FB: “We will all know… The Cat will be out of the bag.”

        • Mats002

          And wanish?

          • artefact

            I hope not. We need to ask her questions.

          • e-dog

            I should have said… Gandlalf..ish

  • e-dog

    Titanium is a bit of a jump up to Lead?

  • Brent Buckner

    You wrote: “Yes I do agree that he totally is ignorant about LENR.”

    Tough to square that with his November 2014 tour of Enea to learn about their LENR research (c.f. http://www.univrmagazine.it/sito/vedi_articolo.php?id=2820 and http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/29/university-of-verona-statement-gates-visit-was-to-investigate-lenr/ )

  • Wasn’t there an experiment by some ukraine researchers which used titanium? The first post of MFMP was submitted at czech republic. Maybe someone visited them?

  • artefact

    obi wan ish? eat that: on FB: “We will all know… The Cat will be out of the bag.”

    • Mats002

      And wanish?

      • artefact

        I hope not. We need to ask her questions.

  • e-dog

    How to bake the LENR cake.
    Put all ingredient in the pot and mix, place lead foil on top.
    Preheat oven with cake inside for one hour.
    You will notice a slight glow, some rising and possible scepticism, nothing to be worried about.
    Make sure the lead foil is well sealed!
    When the cake starts to have a nice rosy glow
    Turn off oven
    Wait for 5h to cool down!
    Enjoy!!

  • Jamie Sibley

    Here’s a thought. The fuel: Ti-50 undergoes electron capture, emits an electron neutrino and then becomes Ti-51. The Ti-51 will be short 1 proton, and will capture a hydrogen nucleus to make up for that. Ti-51 is unstable with a 5 minute half-life and decays only by beta minus emission. The daughter product is stable Vanadium-51.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    No it would be thallium(tee-el), if it means that

  • GM

    On FB, there was a link to http://magicsound.us/MFMP/video/ which talked about experimental data in a discussion. The talk went back to Friday although I only saw back to Saturday. As I was reading, the conversation was completely removed. I guess we were too close to their “reveal info”. There was talk about a radiation pulse similar to Rossi’s experiment where someone in the audience measured it. This was present only at the start. There was more info too…

    • GM

      The web site now has the chat discussion back in full including discussions this afternoon. This is a very interesting read.

  • LuFong

    One hour thermal eventually leading to 5 hours SSM gives one a COP of 6?

    I’ve supported MFMP for two reasons. The first is I like the open science approach and all the benefits that open science can provide. There is plenty of profit motive left over with the engineering and application development so that is not an issue with me. The second and more important reason is that if MFMP succeeds in replicating Rossi then that confirms Rossi’s E-Cat in a way that is open and independent. I hope that’s the case here and we will find out shortly.

    And to think Rossi had this what 6+ years ago?

  • NoMCA

    Is this a part of the LENR mystery…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasicrystal

  • artefact

    New message:
    Prepare thoroughly (Ni + LiAlH4 + Li)
    1h Thermal > x/β- emissions > Pb > IR/THz > 5h (SSM)

    • Obvious

      Certainly THz frequency “IR” radiation would not show up on a regular IR camera. Unless you put something in the way to receive it, that re-radiates in Long Wave IR. THz IR would go through most ceramic no problem.

  • artefact

    New message:
    Prepare thoroughly (Ni + LiAlH4 + Li)
    1h Thermal > x/β- emissions > Pb > IR/THz > 5h (SSM)

    • Obvious

      Certainly THz frequency “IR” radiation would not show up on a regular IR camera. Unless you put something in the way to receive it, that re-radiates in Long Wave IR. THz IR would go through most ceramic no problem.

  • A request of the donor class.

    Initial info release is nigh (hehe)

    While we don’t want you to reveal anything that MFMP wants to hold until tomorrow, give us what you can. For example, let us know if you agree with their characterization of the certainly and magnitude that they have been conveying.

  • A request of the donor class.

    Initial info release is nigh (hehe)

    While we don’t want you to reveal anything that MFMP wants to hold until tomorrow, give us what you can. For example, let us know if you agree with their characterization of the certainly and magnitude that they have been conveying.

  • e-dog

    ok ok…. if there are xrays and beta decay… after only heating those elements for only one hour….at those temperatures…. then that means a low energy nuclear reaction has taken place… if the MFMP guys have caught this on camera and havent photoshoped the results….
    This is the biggest news ever!!!! and I am officially a non-sceptic and a true believer! Where do I hand over my cash????

  • e-dog

    Hey Frank!! Can I ask how you are feeling about the MFMP hype????
    Just interested. Cheers

    • Frank Acland

      Hi e-dog,

      I think I’m like everyone else here, wondering what they could be building up to. I have tried to find out what the big news is, but I am still in the dark. I must confess this is what has come to mind: http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm6rgsB9Q11qbno6lo1_500.jpg

      • GreenWin

        Just spot on Frank!

  • Rip Kirbyian

    comments on the Facebook page is going batshit crazy. This could very well end in a anti climax.

  • e-dog

    Hey Frank!! Can I ask how you are feeling about the MFMP hype????
    Just interested. Cheers

    • Frank Acland

      Hi e-dog,

      I think I’m like everyone else here, wondering what they could be building up to. I have tried to find out what the big news is, but I am still in the dark. I must confess this is what has come to mind: http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm6rgsB9Q11qbno6lo1_500.jpg

      • GreenWin

        Just spot on Frank!

  • artefact

    Post updated:

    “In order to fully appreciate the information you will receive, you
    will first need to deeply read and take on board the following post.”
    goo.gl/zlv4gj

    • Mats002

      It’s all about Gamma, and the last GS5.2 run had anomalies in the radiation spectra below 100keV or so in file #7. They call it LENR this time I presume…

  • artefact

    Post updated:

    “In order to fully appreciate the information you will receive, you
    will first need to deeply read and take on board the following post.”
    goo.gl/zlv4gj

    • Mats002

      It’s all about Gamma, and the last GS5.2 run had anomalies in the radiation spectra below 100keV or so in file #7. They call it LENR this time I presume…

  • Stephen Taylor

    The cookbook is in the -gamma- signal.

    • or -beta-?

      • Stephen Taylor

        Beta- may be in SSM very important?? Gamma may be in start phase??? We shall see.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      We are hoping for clear excess heat. I don’t think “just” a fingerprint of nuclear will not make much of s splash. Clear excess heat will
      R
      Albert

  • Stephen Taylor

    The cookbook is in the -gamma- signal.
    From the document we need to study: “So why should we be excited at the prospect of seeing controllable gamma emmisions from our experiments? Well, to put it plain and simple – it would mean that we have a incontrovertible demonstration of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR).”

    • or -beta-?

      • Stephen Taylor

        Beta- may be in SSM very important?? Gamma may be in start phase??? We shall see.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      We are hoping for clear excess heat. I don’t think “just” a fingerprint of nuclear will not make much of s splash. Clear excess heat will
      R
      Albert

  • Kp

    Haven’t been this excited since the good old days of 2011 – seems so long ago ,can it really be it?

  • Albert D. Kallal

    Well, Gates “has” to know about and be aware of LENR – there really not a lot more to say except that peoples true colors show here.

    As for the French newspaper article? That
    came out yesterday – and it REALLY is great. The English translation and link
    to that article is now on ECW and can be found here:

    http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/02/22/french-newspaper-la-tribune-features-cold-fusion/

    Not only is the article “kind” to LENR, but it flat out states that the “controversy” is long past.

    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • LukeK1

    This is so exciting I’m not sure I’ll be able to sleep today! History in the making! Go MFMP!

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    I guess they figured it out. We just have to wait for the full recipe.
    From quantumheat.org:

    Prepare thoroughly (Ni + LiAlH4 + Li)
    1. Bake Ni
    2. Reduce Ni
    3. Hydrogenate Ni
    5. Mix: Ni + LiAlH4 + Li
    6.
    7.
    8.
    9.
    10.
    11.
    12.

    13.
    12.
    13.
    14.
    15.
    16.
    17.

    1h Thermal > x/β- emissions > Pb > IR/THz > 5h (SSM)

    where ‘>’ means ‘leads to’

    The End of the Carbon Age is Nigh

    • Axil Axil

      I want to see where the rare earths come from in the fuel preparation process.

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    I guess they figured it out. We just have to wait for the full recipe.
    From quantumheat.org:

    Prepare thoroughly (Ni + LiAlH4 + Li)
    1. Bake Ni
    2. Reduce Ni
    3. Hydrogenate Ni
    5. Mix: Ni + LiAlH4 + Li
    6.
    7.
    8.
    9.
    10.
    11.
    12.

    13.
    12.
    13.
    14.
    15.
    16.
    17.

    1h Thermal > x/β- emissions > Pb > IR/THz > 5h (SSM)

    where ‘>’ means ‘leads to’

    The End of the Carbon Age is Nigh

    • Axil Axil

      I want to see where the rare earths come from in the fuel preparation process.

  • LuFong

    Well without being in Rossi’s shoes it is difficult to know. Rossi is a talented inventor and he did arrive at this formula (assuming they’ve got it–the replication needs to be replicated). But my feeling seems to be similar to yours. The sooner this technology is out there the faster the science and the technology can advance which is why I support what MFMP and others are doing. If MFMP’s claims hold true I am glad there the ones that uncovered Rossi’s effect.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Dottore Rossi has not been hiding his work, he has been trying to promote it.

    You point your negative feelings toward the wrong party if you point them at the one person who has driven toward change.

  • Bob Matulis

    I am very interested in finding out what this is all about. My experience is MFMP approaches these tests methodically and conservatively. They also have demonstrated a desire to reign in expectations and not get carried away with initial promising results.
    If this is not a hack and MFMP is actually making these claims (which appears to be the case) I would be surprised if this forthcoming announcement is not:
    1) Significant
    2) Well founded
    Rossi is a pioneer and advancing LENR but can at times be a bit hyperbolic. Not so MFMP
    Can’t wait! 🙂

    • Rip Kirbyian

      that is why their newfound “ORBO-style” is a bit confusing.

    • deleo77

      Above is the beginning of a recipe for how to produce a basic LENR reaction that will show undeniable results that it works. Nothing fancy but it is reproducible. Any university lab can produce LENR as soon as all of the ingredients and steps are filled in. I don’t know if it will lead to newspapers printing the headline “Cold Fusion has been discovered”, but their goal was to see if the Martin Fleischmann was on to something. And tomorrow everyone will see that he was.

    • bachcole

      Fabulous insight.

  • Bob Tivnan

    What do you make of this cryptic reply to a comment made by mfmp on their fb page?
    Bob Tivnan Would you drive when you can go directly from A to B with nothing more complicated than the smartphone you already own and the capabilities of a $20 toy scaled up?

    Why repair roads when the New Fire will repair the air

  • LukeDC

    My guess is that they detected the telltale LENR+ γ pulse that Celani found in 2011.

  • LukeDC

    My guess is that they detected the telltale LENR+ γ pulse that Celani found in 2011.

  • Fibber McGourlick

    It would be interesting if the MFMP by offering indisputable proof of Cold Fusion tomorrow get the Nobel prize in physics instead of Rossi.

  • Fibber McGourlick

    It would be interesting if the MFMP by offering indisputable proof of Cold Fusion tomorrow get the Nobel prize in physics instead of Rossi.

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    It really looks like they have found irrefutable proof of LENR, otherwise this whole exercise seems a bit strange to me. I get that they are very exited if it is true, but surely expectations are really high now.

    Anyway, they have added another step to the recipe:

    1. Bake Ni
    2. Reduce Ni
    3. Hydrogenate Ni
    5. Mix: Ni + LiAlH4 + Li
    6. Bake and vac reactor, add Nickel, vac warm, add H2, Vac

    • Teemu Soilamo

      1. Bake Ni
      2. Reduce Ni
      3. Hydrogenate Ni
      4. ?
      5. Mix: Ni + LiAlH4 + Li
      6. Bake and vac reactor, add Nickel, vac warm, add H2, Vac
      7. Profit

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        You know, I didn’t even notice that. So another teaser. This better be good.

        17. Profit 😉

  • Kevmo

    I’m going to lay down a guess that this came from their earlier experiments where gamma rays were detected. Then they just stopped working on it….http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/11/07/mfmp-report-detection-of-unusual-gamma-rays/

    • Ged

      Their e-mail just went out to donors, and you seem to have been pretty close to spot on. Very strong evidence indeed.

      • Kevmo

        I always wondered what happened to those experiments. They just stopped doing them. I think Bob Greenyer said at one point that the guy doing the lab work had a newborn at home & was overwhelmed, but that could have been anyone.

        • Ged

          It’s actually data from the newest, GS5.2 experiment, where they were oscillating the reactor. That oscillation lead to extremely reproducible results it seems they have finished doing the controls to prove.

          I really need to finish analyzing the statistics on the heat trace, but the Ocube has been too distracting!

      • US_Citizen71

        I hope they add a calorimeter to their setup for the next go around that bit of data will be the icing!

  • I’m going to lay down a guess that this came from their earlier experiments where gamma rays were detected. Then they just stopped working on it….http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/11/07/mfmp-report-detection-of-unusual-gamma-rays/

    • Bob Tivnan

      Well, they did just give this link on their most recent face book post eluding to the gamma ray incident of 2013. goo.gl/zlv4gj.

    • Ged

      Their e-mail just went out to donors, and you seem to have been pretty close to spot on. Very strong evidence indeed.

      • I always wondered what happened to those experiments. They just stopped doing them. I think Bob Greenyer said at one point that the guy doing the lab work had a newborn at home & was overwhelmed, but that could have been anyone.

        • Ged

          It’s actually data from the newest, GS5.2 experiment, where they were oscillating the reactor. That oscillation lead to extremely reproducible results it seems they have finished doing the controls to prove.

          I really need to finish analyzing the statistics on the heat trace, but the Ocube has been too distracting!

      • US_Citizen71

        I hope they add a calorimeter to their setup for the next go around that bit of data will be the icing!

  • wannabe_lenr_chef

    4. Pop a cold one.

  • LukeDC
  • bachcole

    First, he was surrounded by an ocean is disbelief. Then, he had serious legal requirements to NOT give away his secrets once brave people believed him and invested $millions into his revolutionary discovery/invention. They risked their financial futures and you want Rossi to just break the law and basically steal from them and give it away to everyone. Either you are too young to understand the realities of economics, or else I don’t know how I feel about you.

  • Axil Axil

    I bet that MFMP used deuterium in their successful test.

    SPP formation requires that no photonic energy is wasted through absorption.

    There is a big difference between deuterium and protium. Deuterium is transparent to UV radiation and absorbs infrared whereas protium is transparent to infrared and absorbs UV.

    At 1200C, the photonics is one where UV dominates and at 500 C infrared dominates. Deuterium is best applied in very high temperature photonic systems,

    The design of the reaction in terms of heat range dictates what materials to use.

    • Gerard McEk

      That should have been in their recipe then!

  • Axil Axil

    I bet that MFMP used deuterium in their successful test.

    SPP formation requires that no photonic energy is wasted through absorption.

    There is a big difference between deuterium and protium. Deuterium is transparent to UV radiation and absorbs infrared whereas protium is transparent to infrared and absorbs UV.

    At 1200C, the photonics is one where UV dominates and at 500 C infrared dominates. Deuterium is best applied in very high temperature photonic systems,

    The design of the reaction in terms of heat range dictates what materials to use.

    • Gerard McEk

      That should have been in their recipe then!

  • GM

    The web site now has the chat discussion back in full including discussions this afternoon. This is a very interesting read.

  • Slad
  • Slad

    Congratulations to MFMP
    https://youtu.be/MueCLe4Eahc?t=14

  • Doug Cutler

    Education, always. Bring on the knowledge. My point is to caution against the patronizing colonial attitude which has historically frequently overridden local knowledge en route to disaster.

  • GreenWin

    Pardon my intrusion gents. I think the following comments don’t recognize the silent agenda Bill Gates is working with. Bill is referencing an energy miracle that is:
    “…a kind of thing like a computer on a chip, or the internet, or the
    cellphone, that are really quite miraculous. Most people would not have
    predicted them, and their effect has been very, very dramatic.”

    The traveling wave is just a cleaner fission reactor. Bill knows this. He correctly cites the enormous (~$50B) subsidies given to wind and solar – yet still we need methane peaking to supplement intermittentcy. Bill doesn’t really care about his investments in fission or fusion. He runs a foundation dedicated to eradicate disease – ALL disease globally.

    The gist of this interview is Mr. Gates knows exactly what is coming (LENR). He is pounding tha table for government funding at 50% the level we spend on health ($30B.) AND he has assembled some 27 private funds, foundations, philanthropists, etc. to help drive energy innovation. This is exactly what LENR needs to thrive and expand globally.

    Look, Mr. Gates has no need for money. He is rewarded by finding BIG solutions to BIG problems. Aside his politically mandated climate pose, Bill Gates knows LENR is here, is real, is a giant step for mankind — and he is campaigning to build the war chest necessary to deliver it to the entire planet. Go ahead, call me naive. But really. What does a very smart guy with a $100B foundation need to do… except good?