Bill Gates Predicts Energy Miracle in the Next 15 years

Thanks to a reader who sent me a quote from Bill and Melinda Gates’ annual letter in which they focus on pressing problems in the world. In this letter, Bill focuses on energy. (https://www.gatesnotes.com/2016-Annual-Letter?WT.mc_id=02_22_2016_20_AL2016_BG-TB_&WT.tsrc=BGTB)

” . . . if you’re someone with some crazy-sounding ideas to solve our energy challenge, the world needs you. Study extra hard in your math and sciences. You might just have the answer.

The challenge we face is big, perhaps bigger than many people imagine. But so is the opportunity. If the world can find a source of cheap, clean energy, it will do more than halt climate change. It will transform the lives of millions of the poorest families.

I’m so optimistic about the world’s ability to make a miracle happen that I’m willing to make a prediction. Within the next 15 years—and especially if young people get involved—I expect the world will discover a clean energy breakthrough that will save our planet and power our world.

I like to think about what an energy miracle like that would mean in a slum I once visited in Nigeria. It was home to tens of thousands of people but there was no electricity. As night fell, no lights flickered on. The only glow came from open fires lit in metal barrels, where people gathered for the evening. There was no other light for kids to study by, no easy way to run a business or power local clinics and hospitals. It was sad to think about all of the potential in this community that was going untapped.

A cheap, clean source of energy would change everything.

Imagine that.”

Bill Gates made a splash in 2014 in the LENR community when he visited the ENEA facilities in Rome and was briefed on their cold fusion work — but he hasn’t said anything about it publicly since then, which makes me wonder whether he currently thinks of cold fusion/LENR as the energy miracle he is seeking.

However I also find it hard to believe that with all his resources and contacts that he is not aware of the work of Andrea Rossi and the E-Cat, and the growing community of LENR researchers. Maybe he’s like many others in the world, quietly watching progress before going out on a limb and making public statements about LENR before there is something concrete upon which to base a pronouncement — like the report of Rossi’s one-year 1MW plant test that we are all currently waiting for.

15 years is a long time in today’s world of accelerated technological progress. I think that Bill Gates’ prediction is pretty safe, and I think that miracle could show up much sooner.

  • Heath

    I rather see an energy miracle in the next 15 days–or 9 as the countdown suggests.

    • Bob Greenyer

      9 days is within his 15 year prediction – one wonders where he can have got insight from having visited ENEA and having his representative at ICCF-19

    • Michael W Wolf

      We were told 10 for a summary. 🙁 I guess it was just a rumor.

  • Heath

    I rather see an energy miracle in the next 15 days–or 9 as the countdown suggests.

    • Bob Greenyer

      9 days is within his 15 year prediction – one wonders where he can have got insight from having visited ENEA and having his representative at ICCF-19

    • Michael W Wolf

      We were told 10 for a summary. 🙁 I guess it was just a rumor.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Talk Energy Miracles: Avoid Insults & Save Future Butt

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Talk Energy Miracles: Avoid Insults & Save Future Butt

  • I remember of a similar sentence last year

  • I remember of a similar sentence last year

  • Michael W Wolf

    Bill gates is an investor, he would be foolish to sink his money into something that has no working product. He smartly only makes small investments in such things. Science on the other hand has ignored the one thing they should have embraced.

    • Bill gates is not just an investor, it is a tycoon and they can be crazy, that is their job.

      Science clearly have failed, and it is an organisational and sociological problem, from 20th century.

      To make science today you need to be trained, and today this is not a hobby (see how on LENR-Forum the replicators battle to learn what scientists take years to learn), but a salaryman job.

      being a job, scientist now look for research that get funded, that promote their career.

      Science also is expensive, because of salaries, because of safety measures, because of instruments costs… you need big funding.

      It can be done by government, but government decide.
      Today there is more transparency, there is democratic control, there is political wars, and there is huge deficit. The result is that government only research where it is either fashion, or safe bet.

      Only long term science funded is the one which is fashion, popular, or supported by big lobbies and influential communities. The paradox is that politicians control money used, but if something is popular or consensual, they prefer to invest big amount to be more popular and not to have to work too much on thousands of projects.
      This push big science, consensus science, popular science.

      They also need support from peers, beside funding, to be published, to have a career, and funding paner also follow the same indices as the editors… self-refering criterias.

      Business paradoxically do research for longer term than government, when subject is not popular/fashion, but expect long term applications that they can transform in economic rent…
      their strategy also can change, and they are victims, at a lesser degree, to the same disease as government… victim of political wars, of fashion, of big science…

      in earlier times, science could be done by people who had a safe job, some wealth.
      they had no constraint to be popular, nor to follow funding panel.
      they just were following their intuition, the evidences,…

      today science is much more prone to groupthink, conservatisme, concentration of money, than before.
      some talk of kardashian effect
      http://www.technology.org/2014/08/06/tongue-cheek-kardashian-index-raises-awareness-cult-celebrity-sciences/

      • Axil Axil

        Ir is not just LENR, the top math guy in the entire world, Michael Atiyah, says this about his move into the development of twistor theory:

        You’re risking your reputation, but you think it’s worth it.

        My reputation is established as a mathematician. If I make a mess of it now, people will say, “All right, he was a good mathematician, but at the end of his life he lost his marbles.”

        A friend of mine, John Polkinghorne, left physics just as I was going in; he went into the church and became a theologian. We had a discussion on my 80th birthday and he said to me, “You’ve got nothing to lose; you just go ahead and think what you think.” And that’s what I’ve been doing. I’ve got all the medals I need. What could I lose? So that’s why I’m prepared to take a gamble that a young researcher wouldn’t be prepared to take.

        • psi2u2

          It is the same in my primary area of studies, Shakespeare. The orthodoxy is fanatically devoted to a lie, but anyone who questions that lie becomes anathema.

    • Christina

      Your baby’s cute and, I bet, a darling.

  • Michael W Wolf

    Bill gates is an investor, he would be foolish to sink his money into something that has no working product. He smartly only makes small investments in such things. Science on the other hand has ignored the one thing they should have embraced.

    • Bill gates is not just an investor, it is a tycoon and they can be crazy, that is their job.

      Science clearly have failed, and it is an organisational and sociological problem, from 20th century.

      To make science today you need to be trained, and today this is not a hobby (see how on LENR-Forum the replicators battle to learn what scientists take years to learn), but a salaryman job.

      being a job, scientist now look for research that get funded, that promote their career.

      Science also is expensive, because of salaries, because of safety measures, because of instruments costs… you need big funding.

      It can be done by government, but government decide.
      Today there is more transparency, there is democratic control, there is political wars, and there is huge deficit. The result is that government only research where it is either fashion, or safe bet.

      Only long term science funded is the one which is fashion, popular, or supported by big lobbies and influential communities. The paradox is that politicians control money used, but if something is popular or consensual, they prefer to invest big amount to be more popular and not to have to work too much on thousands of projects.
      This push big science, consensus science, popular science.

      They also need support from peers, beside funding, to be published, to have a career, and funding paner also follow the same indices as the editors… self-refering criterias.

      Business paradoxically do research for longer term than government, when subject is not popular/fashion, but expect long term applications that they can transform in economic rent…
      their strategy also can change, and they are victims, at a lesser degree, to the same disease as government… victim of political wars, of fashion, of big science…

      in earlier times, science could be done by people who had a safe job, some wealth.
      they had no constraint to be popular, nor to follow funding panel.
      they just were following their intuition, the evidences,…

      today science is much more prone to groupthink, conservatisme, concentration of money, than before.
      some talk of kardashian effect
      http://www.technology.org/2014/08/06/tongue-cheek-kardashian-index-raises-awareness-cult-celebrity-sciences/

      • Axil Axil

        It is not just LENR, the top math guy in the entire world, Michael Atiyah, says this about his move into the development of twistor theory:

        You’re ristking your reputation, but you think it’s worth it.

        My reputation is established as a mathematician. If I make a mess of it now, people will say, “All right, he was a good mathematician, but at the end of his life he lost his marbles.”

        A friend of mine, John Polkinghorne, left physics just as I was going in; he went into the church and became a theologian. We had a discussion on my 80th birthday and he said to me, “You’ve got nothing to lose; you just go ahead and think what you think.” And that’s what I’ve been doing. I’ve got all the medals I need. What could I lose? So that’s why I’m prepared to take a gamble that a young researcher wouldn’t be prepared to take.

        • psi2u2

          It is the same in my primary area of studies, Shakespeare. The orthodoxy is fanatically devoted to a lie, but anyone who questions that lie becomes anathema.

    • Christina

      Your baby’s cute and, I bet, a darling.

  • Steve Swatman

    We all know that Mr gates is well aware of Dr Rossi and the E-cat, and probably the E-cat X.

    We should all understand that he would also be well aware of how long it takes to bring products to market, the speed of market uptake, and the effect such a product may or may not have.

    15yrs to have a worldwide effect and to make a large enough impact on world energy markets would probably be a standard business model.

    15yrs to take Dr Rossi’s work and innovate it to the point where it becomes a norm for the poorest people would be a massive, production and marketing effort.

    • LarryJ

      The speed of technological change increases exponentially. It took the smartphone 7 years to get to where it is now and it is a far more complex product than the ecat. I would be very surprised if it took as long as 5 years after its introduction for this tech to be ubiquitous. Rossi has even stated that they plan a massive production to discourage copy cats and they will license OEMs. That may delay the introduction while they stock the shelves but once it starts, look out.

      • Steve Swatman

        It took the mobile phone a lot longer than 7yrs to get to the smartphone and by then the market, production and size, along with marketing strategies were all worked out, even so, there are billions of the poorest people who do not have smartphones and who cannot afford a subscription… I am all for the E-cat and X, Mr rossi and the production of cheap heat/energy and the necessity of the world, but this is not a phone, this is a device that, for the majority of the world, is not yet a necessity and will be more difficult than you think to be sold as one.

        Please keep some thought in mind who is going to want one of these.

        The average person in the west has affordable heat and energy,

        the average poor person in the west, rents they will not buy a -cat for their home.

        The average “poor person does not have the funds (no matter how low the price).

        It would be great to think Mr Rossi and IH, can produce and sell billions of units over the next 5yrs and that the whole world is clamouring for them.

        But out there, in the real world, people are not quick on the uptake, nor are they about throw 5k at a new home heating system.

        But let us all hope I am wrong.

        • LarryJ

          Your comment that the smartphone resulted from the much longer and earlier evolution of the mobile phone illustrates my point that each new wave of technology is faster than the previous. Just like the evolution of vinyl to tape, to cd to dvd to flash drive. The same process will happen with the ecat only faster.

          After the domestic heater is approved I think you will very quickly see ordinary plug in radiant heaters heaters powered by an ecatx available at WalMart and if Rossi can be believed they won’t be any more expensive than the radiant heaters now on the market. That will mean that anyone on the grid including renters will be able to take advantage of this tech with very little capital outlay.

          Affordable heat for the average person is a very subjective statement. Affordable for one is punitive for another. I am a pretty average Canadian and I spend $1000/yr on oil, $400/yr on firewood and $200/month during winter on electricity. A couple of inexpensive radiant heaters spread around could save me a large part of that.

  • sam

    I wonder if Steve Jobs had taken on cold fusion
    where it would be today.

    • Sanjeev

      We would see extremely expensive gold plated energy generators that are meant for only rich people. Any upgrade would cost $million and they would patent even Nickel element as their invention.
      I’m sorry to disappoint Jobs’s fans, and its only a joke ;).

      • Pekka Janhunen

        Maybe that approach creates jobs:-)

        • Sanjeev

          Yes, for lawyers.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Yes, high-paying ones: GDP up…

        • Bob Greenyer

          It certainly made Jobs

          • Stephen

            Hah! I got it second time round. 😉

      • psi2u2

        Lol.

  • Gerard McEk

    Gates invests huge amounts of money in energy projects and energy is probably his focal point. I believe that Gates is aware of what Rossi is doing and the report coming out in a few weeks time. If F9>0 than he might also invest in the New Fire.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Everything comes from energy… and who’s saying he hasn’t already?

  • Gerard McEk

    Gates invests huge amounts of money in energy projects and energy is probably his focal point. I believe that Gates is aware of what Rossi is doing and the report coming out in a few weeks time. If F9>0 than he might also invest in the New Fire.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Everything comes from energy… and who’s saying he hasn’t already?

  • Sanjeev

    Is he trying to crash the energy markets? 😀
    Such statements can result in change of policies everywhere. Suddenly a secure sector is risky.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Oil… secure?

      • Sanjeev

        Not oil, energy sector. Sorry I was not explicit. It includes nuclear, solar etc etc.

        • Bob Greenyer

          fair do.

    • DrD

      Not if it’s In 15 years?
      however, if Rossi comes up with the goods this year or next
      I can’t help but wonder what will happen.
      It will upset a lot of institutions.

      • Sanjeev

        Probably 15 years can be considered quick in the energy sector, relatively speaking.

        • Hi all

          Think 5 Years. 😉

          Check what the energy sector is doing. Look at their investment plans or rather lack of them. Look at how many are cutting their numbers of employees and reducing their profits. In the UK this week there were two major indicators announced. In the rest of the world it is even bigger. You have been warned. 🙂

          Kind regards walker

          • psi2u2

            Yes, I agree with you Walker. There are many important signs of the coming pain for the oil producers and traditional energy sources in general, at least if the LENR revolution is real and can produce significant results soon.

      • LarryJ

        It may upset them but that won’t stop it. Anyone who doesn’t go along will be left behind and it is very difficult to imagine that the US with their current commanding lead in the field would allow that to happen. Cold fusion could actually enhance the oil industry. For instance the price to process a barrel of tar sands oil would drop dramatically but the pollution problems with oil will still shorten its effective life. You can delay change, which we have already seen but you can’t stop it.

  • Sanjeev

    Is he trying to crash the energy markets? 😀
    Such statements can result in change of policies everywhere. Suddenly a secure sector is risky.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Oil… secure?

      • Sanjeev

        Not oil, energy sector. Sorry I was not explicit. It includes nuclear, solar etc etc.

        • Bob Greenyer

          fair do.

    • DrD

      Not if it’s In 15 years?
      however, if Rossi comes up with the goods this year or next
      I can’t help but wonder what will happen.
      It will upset a lot of institutions.

      • Sanjeev

        Probably 15 years can be considered quick in the energy sector, relatively speaking.

        • Hi all

          Think 5 Years. 😉

          Check what the energy sector is doing. Look at their investment plans or rather lack of them. Look at how many are cutting their numbers of employees and reducing their profits, other major announcements were made earlier this month. In the UK this week there were two major indicators announced. In the rest of the world it is even bigger. The energy sector world wide has been gearing up for contraction for two years.

          I keep warning people to look at what major players strategies are, in affected sectors.

          You have been warned. 🙂

          Kind regards walker

          • psi2u2

            Yes, I agree with you Walker. There are many important signs of the coming pain for the oil producers and traditional energy sources in general, at least if the LENR revolution is real and can produce significant results soon.

      • LarryJ

        It may upset them but that won’t stop it. Anyone who doesn’t go along will be left behind and it is very difficult to imagine that the US with their current commanding lead in the field would allow that to happen. Cold fusion could actually enhance the oil industry. For instance the price to process a barrel of tar sands oil would drop dramatically but the pollution problems with oil will still shorten its effective life. You can delay change, which we have already seen but you can’t stop it.

  • georgehants

    This man owes the society from whom he has gained his profits a great deal more than he is donating at present.
    It is good that he is aware of the suffering such as the slums he mentions in Nigeria.
    ————
    American business magnate, computer programmer, investor, philanthropist and author, Bill Gates, has a net worth of $80.7 billion as of March 2016, according to Bloomberg.
    ————-
    Since becoming billionaire, Bill Gates has since donated over $28 billion to charities.
    ————-
    Estimated value of his house and land in Medina, Washington, 2012
    $125,000,000
    http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/celebrity-business/tech-billionaire/bill-gates-net-worth/

    • Warthog

      Bill Gates “owes” society precisely nothing. And having voluntarily chosen of his own free will to make charitable donations of $28 BILLION dollars, you think it isn’t enough. How about you tell us how much he “should” donate??? Then tell us how much “you” donate.

      • georgehants

        Warthog, always good to see your caring view on things.

        • Warthog

          LOL. Look up the Society of St. Vincent de Paul and see how I spend “my” spare time. Then use the word “caring” again. But, as usual, you side-step answering questions asked.

          A few random points….how much in property taxes do you think Gates pays on his house…every year.. Also note that any income or capital gains he has made from his business or investments, he has already paid taxes on. God Himself only wants 10%…I am sure Gates has paid a far higher percentage than that.

        • Jimr

          I have to agree with Warthog, I would bet that you nor most of us has contributed nearly a third of our net worth to good causes.

          • georgehants

            Jimr, that is a false analysis, assuming it costs $100 dollars a week for a family to live in America, then a family earning $100 dollars and contributing $1 dollar to charity is living below the threshold and thereafter pro rata, above and below.
            It would seem that a certain fair reward for services to society is fair and anything more is unjustified
            I think.

          • LarryJ

            Some people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have a talent for effectively directing large amounts of capital to the benefit of us all. Your suggestion would take the most effective money managers out of the picture and lower the standard of living for all of us. It surprises me that when it comes to the poor, you talk the talk but you never walk the walk. You should try and show more empathy for the poor and downtrodden because they are the people who will truly suffer from ideas like yours.

          • radvar

            Completely pointless analogy. It’s not a percentage of net worth that matters, it’s a percentage of net worth that you don’t need for financial well-being

      • radvar

        Yeah, but…

        1) Percentages don’t matter much. After people achieve high levels of physical ease and financial security, and the ability to turn their descendants into wastrels unto the nth generation, the rest of the money isn’t “theirs” in any functional sense. It just ended up in their name due to the archaic rules for distribution of surplus labor value that we’re stuck with (or, more properly, that are rabidly defended with lawyers, guns and money.)

        2) The real problem is that the very wealthy, clever and successful people don’t seem to want to pay attention to is the distribution of wealth itself. Marx was obviously simplistic, but the wealthy aren’t even trying to solve the problem. They aren’t even calling out the problem. That’s because they are the problem.

        While hundreds of millions of people live in desperate physical misery, the wealthy play on their yachts, tying up 50% of the world’s capital, paying lobbyists to keep the current system in place, buying up the intelligent young people who might help relieve the suffering, saying “I earned it”, and telling everyone “people need to be more responsible for themselves”.

        If someone wants to say “I earned it” is more important than billions of person-years of intense anguished suffering within living human bodies, I guess that’s their right…or at least, that’s what they can get away with behind the lawyers, guns and money.

        Or they could say: “here’s ten billion dollars. Hire 10,000 people for $100,000 per year for ten years to work on the problem of distribution of wealth. If it doesn’t work out, at least we will have tried.”

        But they don’t do that.

        • Warthog

          If you actually bother to look up the empirical evidence, countries that adopt capitalism very rapidly increase living standards for ALL their citizens. Look at the comparison of South Korea and North Korea…that is the economical world equivalent of a “twin study” in biology.

          On the other hand, those that adopt some form of socialism (and in particular communism) rapidly become basket cases, even those that started out with relatively wealthy, advanced economies (i.e. Venezuela).

          As I see it, capitalism is the best thing yet invented to increase overall societal wealth. Socialism/communism, although it sounds wonderful on the surface, simply does not work in the real world. The fact that some very few become very rich is pretty much irrelevant.

          “Distribution of wealth” is less important than increasing total wealth.
          What do you think the very wealthy do with their money??? Do you think
          they play “Scrooge McDuck” and have individual money bins where they
          swim in the coinage?? No…they INVEST IT. In businesses. Which make jobs.

          The places where there is misery are almost exclusively those who have actively prevented capitalism under some system of dictatorship.

          • radvar

            I already took Marx off the table.

            The point is that the wealthy DON’T invest in devising a system in which hundreds of millions of people are not in daily misery.

            Ah, but, it’s just a lot of nerve tissue twitching. What the heck.

            Also: “The places where there is misery are almost exclusively those who have actively prevented capitalism”, meaning the regimes of those with the lawyers, guns and money in those places, who are doing business and making profits with the people with the lawyers, guns and money “over here”.

            Oh, but no, the wealthy aren’t responsible for that. They are responsible to their shareholders. After all, the shareholders have property rights that need to be protected.

            With lawyers, guns and money.

          • Warthog

            “The point is that the wealthy DON’T invest in devising a system in which hundreds of millions of people are not in daily misery.”

            Sure they do. What do you think they invest their wealth in?? They invest in things that will produce more wealth. Who is going to buy the products of those businesses if the wider society has no money??

            “..meaning the regimes of those with the lawyers, guns and money in those
            places, who are doing business and making profits with the people with
            the lawyers, guns and money “over here”.”

            Really??? North Korea??? Venezuela??? I think not.

          • georgehants

            Capitalism has shortfalls. It doesn’t necessarily take care of the poor, and it
            underfunds innovation, so we have to offset that.
            Bill Gates

          • GreenWin

            Sounds like you and Bill have a lot to discuss when you get together for a bottle of red whilst gazing upon your pirate harbour.

          • georgehants

            Morning GreenWin, is it really you putting up comments in different GreenWin names on this page?
            In answer to your point, yes and anybody who is not aware of the problems he mentions is, I think, a little misguided.
            Sun shining today, first time in a while.

          • The Original GreenWin

            Morning George. We could use your sun here in the NW of NA, ” ‘Tis truly aye, said the blind man…”

          • radvar

            “What do you think they invest their wealth in” etc. is NOT devising a better system.

            Repeating “capitalism works” is NOT addressing the possibility of investing in devising a better system. So, do you not understand the difference? Or are you ignoring it deliberately, perhaps to deflect attention from something else? Like, lack of imagination, compassion, or ability to consider alternatives?

            “North Korea??? Venezuela???”

            So what?

            Using extreme outliers to make a case is a transparent rhetorical device. Plus, it relies on the tacit assumption that the extreme outliers are some completely independent of the whole system, or that a new and better system could not drive the outliers to change much more quickly.

            Maybe the current system, enforced by lawyers, guns and money, DELIBERATELY maintains a “scarcity” economy, instead of an “abundance” economy. Well, OF COURSE it does.

            Westphalian international relations, “wage pressure”, shareholder value => hundreds of millions of people living in daily fear for their material well-being…and people with tens of billions of dollars at their disposal can’t think of anything better to do about it than make sure they get a good ROI.

            “I think not” was the most accurate thing you’ve offered in this entire thread.

          • Warthog

            “…NOT addressing the possibility of investing in devising a better system.
            So, do you not understand the difference? Or are you ignoring it
            deliberately, perhaps to deflect attention from something else? Like,
            lack of imagination, compassion, or ability to consider alternatives?

            My comments are based on WHAT WORKS IN THE REAL WORLD, not idealistic fables. The problem with you, GeorgeHants, and similiar is that none of you have even the remotest idea (or suggestion) as to what might replace the existing system, how that substitute would work, and/or how to get there. The best you can do is chant “capitalism is bad, replace it”. And in your case, add on “replacing it is the responsibility of the rich”.

            “Maybe the current system, enforced by lawyers, guns and money,
            DELIBERATELY maintains a “scarcity” economy, instead of an “abundance”
            economy. Well, OF COURSE it does.”

            WHAT “economy of scarcity”?? The actual statistics show that nations that adopt capitalism rapidly increase their standard of living. Geez…look at the change in cost and availability of ANY item produced by “capitalism”. Retail costs have gone down and availability has gone up. Computers, cell phones, you name it,….more is available at lower cost to the user and in more variety than ever in history…even in the poorer countries.

          • Sceptic

            “Bill Gates does not owe anything to anybody” . O really ? I firmly sure, that Bill Gates is ultimate parasite . He is not working millions time harder then average man. Windows required million man hours of development. How long it would take him to develop It by himself ?

            The existence of billionaires mean, that capitalist system is completely sick. Its very old and becoming obsolete. When 80 billion dollars allocated to cater to needs of one man its completely insane. He is using and commanding more resources then all people of big American city. It not sustainable.

          • LarryJ

            Nevertheless I and many others have been using the products he delivered for many years and his products have allowed very substantial productivity gains that have improved all of our lives. Maybe it is not such a bad idea to have large chunks of capital controlled by people with a track record of directing its use effectively. We definitely know that governments don’t. Capitalism has proven itself quite sustainable for a very long time and for some strange reason the general standard of living in the world keeps rising despite the existence of billionaires.

            Capitalism is not perfect but I still have not seen a workable alternative and it is used and taxed by many socialist countries to provide strong social support networks for their populations.

          • psi2u2

            It seems clear to me that neither a purely “capitalistic” or a purely “socialistic” economy and way of life actually fits the complexities of human nature. The US is currently overly “capitalistic,” which is one reason it rates so low on many quality of life questions. But there is no question that markets can come up with, and implement, solutions to problems government cannot. That doesn’t mean private industry doesn’t sometimes need regulation, however, as so many of today’s politicos seem to think. Just my 2 cents.

          • Another problem, maybe the real on is that many pretended capitalist system are in fact crony.

            Most of the time that are lacking of freedom to access and register capital (this is the battle of hernando De Soto, so that poor people who are mostly entrepreneurs have their property registered), or the real free market (battle of “liberal” in western economies).

            USA is not so free market nor so competitive…
            Some social groups have captured the free market, obtain economic rent, or block others.

            In france it is even worse and a double system is merging, not between rich and poors, but between the rent-owner of various wealth (from protected employee to state-protected company owner), and the dynamic economic fighter (from the intermittent worker to the new economy tycoon )…

            France like USA make a double standard emerge, black or white, stable job or self-employed…

            Marx for me is not supporting the good cut in the society.

            see that:

            http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/bf3d0444-e129-11e5-9217-6ae3733a2cd1.html#axzz42QVbC6Kk

            Refugees from Syria are so admirative of French system that they prefer to die on a rubberboat to England than stay there.

          • GreenWin

            AlainCo, what’s wrong with dying on a “rubberboat to England?” Remember William Wallace,” They can take our boaties but they’ll never take… Our FREEDOM!”

          • I feel just insulted that our fantastic social system that push refugees to take a rubber boat to escape and schoolboys to go to Syria and suicide back home, is not considered with enough admiration…

            8(

            I feel like a supported of APS seeing an LENR paper… it cannot be true, the evidence are wrong.

          • EEStorFanFibb

            YES, clearly a balance between capitalism and socialism should be struck AND it should be up to a properly informed and educated population, as a group, to determine the right balance (with evidence-based decision making help from academia).

            This balance should not be decided by a small number of elite. i.e. NOT the oligarchs who control the media and NOT the corporate lobbyists and ESPECIALLY NOT the corrupt, bought and paid for politicians.

          • hum,
            academic have shown that like feared for worst capitalism, they just defend their job.
            if defending their job mean fooling the publicn and runing our future with denial or false cliam, thei do it , not even consciously, but by a crowd effect, grouthink, and self delusion.

            on the opposite a good system should not hope for honesty, but should exploit selfishness. as for LENR this have been proven wrong.

            people who take decision should be the one who pay if they are wrong or late, and take the benefit if they are good.

            “I trust those hungry for dollars a thousand times more than those hungry for honors and rank.” (Nassim Nicholas Taleb)

          • LarryJ

            I think you will find that there are many successful countries employing the capitalism/socialism model. Most of Europe, Scandinavia and Canada come to mind. The US is regularly voted one the less desirable developed countries in which to live. This 2014 study put the US at 24th best, Canada at 13th best and Denmark at first out of 30.

            http://lifestyle9.org/worlds-best-country-to-live-in-2013/4/

          • Warthog

            Yeah, but the key word is “capitalism”. And as I understand it, many of the Eurosocialist countries are finding that they can’t support those levels of socialism, and are scaling back benefits. But it doesn’t matter, as they will soon be overwhelmed completely by the new Muslim invasion.

          • LarryJ

            We know from the treatment of cold fusion that courage is in very short supply. Your comment on Muslims leads me to believe that tolerance is just as rare.

          • bachcole

            Your good intentions are matched only by your lack of realism. Sweden already has the highest rape rate in the world, and, of course, well intentioned people like you are blocking the fact that the men doing the rape come from the Middle East. I am sure that your left leaning news source did not make that clear for fear of being called racist.

          • Warthog

            My comment on Europe and Muslims is simply a statement of fact. Likewise the fact that “diversity” does NOT produce peaceful societies, it produces strife.

          • psi2u2

            Too bad all the slave traders who brought so many Africans to the new world in chains in the name of unbridled capitalism didn’t get your memo in time.

          • Warthog

            It’s not “my memo”…and in fact, I have no idea what point you are trying to make with your comment other than snark.

          • psi2u2

            Sorry you found it snarky. I often feel you are snarky, so I guess we are even now, except that I spend far less time on these boards trying to argue ideology than you do.

          • Warthog

            LOL. I post only in response to ideological statements from the socialist types, and probably in a ratio of one to their ten. I have repeatedly asked those sorts to stick to LENR on this forum, and engage me in a different venue of their choice to discuss political ideological issues. Thus far, only one has done so.

          • that is not capitalism.
            capitalism assum contract by free people.

            capitalism, real one, even ask fair transaction, thus workers union when workers are too dependent. many free market liberal (in French liberal mean free market, because freemarket and freedom was leftist battle before marx proposed his vision) battle for workers union, mutual health insurance (not state).

            note that GOP is conservative protectionist like Donald Trump, like Marine Lepen, like Melenchon…

            if you want to understand real capitalism, read Hernando De Soto, not piketty

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hernando-de-soto/piketty-wrong-third-world_b_6751634.html

          • LarryJ

            “But it doesn’t matter, as they will soon be overwhelmed completely by the new Muslim invasion

            My comment on Europe and Muslims is simply a statement of fact. ”
            ========================================
            Your comment does not appear to me to be a statement of fact simple or otherwise. The word “soon” implies that it is a predictive opinion.

            I also find your comment that diversity produces strife to not be a fact but an opinion. If it is a fact I would appreciate a link to the study you are referring to so I could better understand the issue.

            I do know that religious intolerance and intolerance of ethnic diversity has been a root cause of many wars and atrocities current and past. In my opinion the problem is not ethnic diversity but rather peoples attitudes towards it. Ethnic and religious diversity is only going to increase so I would propose that a change of attitude and improved tolerance in general to religious and ethnic diversity would be a more practical approach to eliminating strife.

          • Warthog

            Yeah, you’re probably right about “soon”. But given the factual statistics on the rate of influx, I can’t come to any other conclusion.

            As to “diversity produces strife”, I suggest a Google search. I don’t “do” research requests. I post about what I find while researching. If I happen to have the link handy, I’ll add it. Otherwise not.

            The problem with your “proposal” for a “change of attitude” fails out of the starting gate, because there is always a subset that WILL NOT CHANGE or, want to push their specific goals on total society.

          • radvar

            “the best thing yet invented”

            Yep. And my point is that if the super-rich cared, they would invest in trying to find something even better. But they don’t.

            ———————————

            Henry the First of England (circa 1150) to Warthog: “Hey Warthog, there’s this new thing called Capitalism; should we invest in seeing how it might work?”

            Warthog to Henry: “Forget it Henry, feudalism is the best thing yet invented. Capitalism is just some crazy idealistic scheme. Next thing you know you’re going to try investing in something truly crazy, like the internet or LENR.”

            ———————————

            Bill Gates to Warthog: “Hey Warthog, here’s ten billion dollars. Hire 100,00 people for 10 years to devise and implement a plan to radically improve upon capitalism as the dominant paradigm for the distribution of human wealth.”

            Warthog to Bill Gates: “Save your money Bill. I personally know that it’s impossible to find anything better. Geez, next thing you know you’re going to be investing in crazy idealistic schemes like internet (ha ha, you were a little slow on that one! Guess you were overly attached to your old paradigm) or LENR.”

            ———————————

            “places where there is misery are almost exclusively those who have actively prevented capitalism under some system of dictatorship”

            But not in America, oh no:

            http://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/impact-of-hunger/child-hunger/child-hunger-fact-sheet.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/

            ——————————————-

            radvar to Warthog: “Hey Warthog, could you respond to the points I’m actually making in this discussion?”

            Warthog to radvar: “Capitalism is great!”

            ——————————————-

        • LarryJ

          If you do hear of a better way to fairly distribute wealth and that will engender a dynamic economy be sure and let us know.

        • georgehants

          radvar, thanks for putting into words far better than I can, The Truth.

    • William D. Fleming

      If Gates distributed all his assets equally each person would get just over a dollar. Do you seriously think that would solve the world’s problems?

      Bill Gates is wealthy because he created wealth. Society has rewarded him in proportion to his contributions.

      Wallowing in envy is bad for your health.

      • psi2u2

        I want mine. Lol.

        I think there is an interesting point to be made about the rates of taxation on large amounts of wealth. I was surprised to learn that through much if not most American history before the “Reagan revolution,” wealthy Americans (according to the analysis I read) paid much much higher rates than they have since then. I think it is legitimate for a society to say that it has a self interest in balancing to some extent the needs and advantages of the individuals that comprise it. A society with many poor and a few wealthy is not healthy.

        • William D. Fleming

          I am not averse to creative social experiments so long as the free market is preserved and changes are not based on envious knee-jerk responses. I’m in favor of a graduated income tax–something between what we have now and pre-Reagan.

          What do you think about a shorter workweek? Also, if governments dealt in stocks and bonds maybe they wouldn’t have to tax at all, which would benefit everyone and might even pay for that national wage.

          What would NOT work is for a zealous political group to force their ideas on the public, disregarding civil rights and free trade, ala Pol Pot.

          • psi2u2

            I agree that we need markets. Governments cannot solve all problems. It is not a matter of nationalizing production (although Flint tells us what we might get if we let the profit motive take over our basic infrastructure, the creation and maintenance of which *is* a legitimate job of government), but of insisting that some part of the profits of entirely robotized production centers gets redistributed to the communities which formerly could find employment in a more traditional factory.

            And yes, I agree, a shorter work week and job sharing will have to be part of the interim solution set.

          • GreenWin

            We are seeing the expansion of resource sharing with new industries like Lyft/Uber and AirBnB. Both save money and resources for regular folks. Uber has an option to pool your ride – thus being able to share cost or just give a needy person a free lift to the airport. (Last trip to LAX my poolmate “gave” a lift to a Japanese business man who had missed the bus – a good socialization exercise.) I’ve made several new friends via AirBnB rentals – it’s like community outreach,

            Likewise a neighborhood LENR-based microgrid would provide backup service and free energy to schools, hospitals, municipal buildings, community centers, etc. This is what utilities and Oligarchs fear most – loss of control.

          • psi2u2

            These are interesting developments. One can only hope that our culture moves further in the direction in making use of the cooperative element in human nature for the common good as well as as a business strategy.

        • georgehants

          psi2u2, thank you for an informed and useful reply, as you say the solutions must be found.
          It is fascinating to read from others the indoctrinated ideology that seems to forbid the rational improvement of society in line with production and technology.
          Just like Cold Fusion for many the World must stay flat.

      • malkom700

        It is obvious that Bill Gates believes in a new technologies but does not believe in LENR. The same applies to the world’s political elite. Hopefully it brings a big change in March.

        • psi2u2

          I don’t know what you can base a statement like that on. We have no real idea of what he “believes in” or doesn’t, except for this prediction and the fact that he has demonstrated an interest in LENR, which on its face suggests he may well “believe” in it.

          • It may be no coincidence that 15 years would be about the right delay to allow energy cabals to dump obsolete technologies and to get into CF (on their own terms, obviously).

            Bill Gates is very heavily invested in the unproven concept of ‘traveling wave’ fission reactors, through TerraPower and other companies:

            https://news.vice.com/article/tech-titans-like-bill-gates-are-gambling-on-nuclear-power-but-it-looks-to-be-a-losing-bet

            http://terrapower.com/

          • malkom700

            Many people put ahead of personal interests against the interests of the world, but this is not a case of Bill Gates. Just do not believe in it.

          • psi2u2

            I’m not saying he’s doing that, but its not really an either-or situation with these technologies. Gates himself has said the profit opportunities are huge, which they are, for any technology that can produce reliable energy at a fraction the cost of today’s energy.

          • malkom700

            I think you’re right. The bottom line is that very many people lose a lot depending on which technology will be the winner.

    • LarryJ

      He improved all of our lives and as you point out contributed billions to the common good. I think you got who owes who a little mixed up.

  • georgehants

    This man owes the society from whom he has gained his profits a great deal more than he is donating at present.
    It is good that he is aware of the suffering such as the slums he mentions in Nigeria.
    ————
    American business magnate, computer programmer, investor, philanthropist and author, Bill Gates, has a net worth of $80.7 billion as of March 2016, according to Bloomberg.
    ————-
    Since becoming billionaire, Bill Gates has since donated over $28 billion to charities.
    ————-
    Estimated value of his house and land in Medina, Washington, 2012
    $125,000,000
    http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/celebrity-business/tech-billionaire/bill-gates-net-worth/

    • Warthog

      Bill Gates “owes” society precisely nothing. And having voluntarily chosen of his own free will to make charitable donations of $28 BILLION dollars, you think it isn’t enough. How about you tell us how much he “should” donate??? Then tell us how much “you” donate.

      • Christina

        Exactly. Gates worked hard as a lot of people do. Fortunately for Gates, he had a skill which was in high demand and he used that skill to provide a product/service. Lucky for us it helped make our lives easier and more connected. He has no obligation to give up his money to anyone except his employees–those who work to implement and bring to the world the work he started.

        Ha we been in a socialist-democracy, the government would have stolen his ideas and bungled the whole thing leaving us all in the dark ages again–like the U.S.S.R.

        • hempenearth

          That’s the first time I’ve heard the U.S.S.R. being described as any sort of democracy!

          • Warthog

            Oh, you will find that the apologists for the constant economic failures of socialism/communism say that the USSR was “state capitalism”.

          • bachcole

            My favorite excuse is “the wrong people got into power.” They never notice that the wrong people always get into power because Communism does not compensate with checks and balances for the fact that many people lust for power. Communism is all about dealing with the problems that arise because of the ownership of the means of production, a legitimate but limited concern. But this concern does not deal with all of the problems caused by the evil that can arise in the human heart.

        • Brokeeper

          We all are placed somewhere between King Solomon and the ‘poor widow’. Judge any? I dare not.

        • bachcole

          Christina, the USSR was hardly a socialist democracy. Sweden is a socialist democracy, a place where I wouldn’t mind living. The USSR had these wonderful “islands” called the Gulag Archipelago, prison camps just for political opponents, imagined or real. There is a book by that title written by a fellow (who got the Nobel Prize for literature) who did an 8 year stint in one of those lovely “islands”. His crime was to make fun of Stalin in a private letter. I strongly recommend that book to everyone who is getting soft on the Soviet Union or communism in general.

          The pivotal idea of communism is human welfare revolves around the issue of who owns the means of production. It is obvious that that plays a roll. But the human heart and it’s lust, greed, anger, selfishness, etc. is NOT considered in the communist doctrine but is considered in governments based upon checks and balances and separation of powers and the rule of law.

          So, no matter how well meaning a communist government is designed, unless it is designed with the understanding that good and evil come from within people, said government is bound to get incredibly ugly and hurtful of real human beings.

        • LarryJ

          I agree with your point that the USSR would not have made the best use of Bill Gates but referring to the USSR as a socialist democracy is like comparing their economic/political model back then to most of Europe, Scandinavia and Canada. The USSR was actually a communist dictatorship with a totally directed economy. There was only a one party sham democracy.

          • bachcole

            Yeah, you get to vote on the Marxist candidate of your choice. And should you try a write-in, you get to vote in your Gulag cell for who gets to take the shit bucket out into the freezing snow and bury it.

      • georgehants

        Warthog, always good to see your caring view on things.

        • Warthog

          LOL. Look up the Society of St. Vincent de Paul and see how I spend “my” spare time. Then use the word “caring” again. But, as usual, you side-step answering questions asked.

          A few random points….how much in property taxes do you think Gates pays on his house…every year.. Also note that any income or capital gains he has made from his business or investments, he has already paid taxes on. Those legal taxes are what “we the people” have decided he “owes” society. Over and above this, he “owes” society exactly nothing.

          And yet in addition to all that, he GIVES AWAY $25 BILLION and that isn’t enough for you.

          God Himself only wants 10%…I am sure Gates has paid a far higher percentage than that.

        • Jimr

          I have to agree with Warthog, I would bet that you nor most of us has contributed nearly a third of our net worth to good causes.

          • georgehants

            Jimr, that is a false analysis, assuming it costs $100 dollars a week for a family to live in America, then a family earning $100 dollars and contributing $1 dollar to charity is living below the threshold and thereafter pro rata, above and below.
            It would seem that a certain fair reward for services to society is fair and anything more is unjustified.
            Nobody normal can eat more than three fillet steaks a day.
            I think.

          • LarryJ

            Some people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have a talent for effectively directing large amounts of capital to the benefit of us all. Your suggestion would take the most effective money managers out of the picture and lower the standard of living for all of us. It surprises me that when it comes to the poor, you talk the talk but you never walk the walk. You should try and show more empathy for the poor and downtrodden because they are the people who will truly suffer from ideas like yours.

    • William D. Fleming

      If Gates distributed all his assets equally each person would get just over a dollar. Do you seriously think that would solve the world’s problems?

      Bill Gates is wealthy because he created wealth. Society has rewarded him in proportion to his contributions.

      Wallowing in envy is bad for your health.

      • psi2u2

        I want mine. Lol.

        I think there is an interesting point to be made about the rates of taxation on large amounts of wealth. I was surprised to learn that through much if not most American history before the “Reagan revolution,” wealthy Americans (according to the analysis I read) paid much much higher rates than they have since then. I think it is legitimate for a society to say that it has a self interest in balancing to some extent the needs and advantages of the individuals that comprise it. A society with many poor and a few wealthy is not healthy.

        And, indeed, the way we are headed, if (as I think he is) our colleague Mats Lewan suggests, for a society in which almost all factory style jobs are largely carried out by robots, then we have real questions of social equity that must be addressed. If there aren’t any jobs, how do we expect people to live? Hence many countries are beginning to think of the idea of a “national wage” of some kind for all citizens. I don’t see the right wing as having many solutions to this dilemma, but maybe I’m wrong. To me it is more like the moderate democratic left that has solutions to this type of historical circumstance.

        • William D. Fleming

          I am not averse to creative social experiments so long as the free market is preserved and changes are not based on envious knee-jerk responses. I’m in favor of a graduated income tax–something between what we have now and pre-Reagan.

          What do you think about a shorter workweek? Also, if governments dealt in stocks and bonds maybe they wouldn’t have to tax at all, which would benefit everyone and might even pay for that national wage.

          What would NOT work is for a zealous political group to force their ideas on the public, disregarding civil rights and free trade, ala Pol Pot.

          • psi2u2

            I agree that we need markets. Governments cannot solve all problems. It is not a matter of nationalizing production (although Flint tells us what we might get if we let the profit motive take over our basic infrastructure, the creation and maintenance of which *is* a legitimate job of government), but of insisting that some part of the profits of entirely robotized production centers gets redistributed to the communities which formerly could find employment in a more traditional factory.

            And yes, I agree, a shorter work week and job sharing will have to be part of the interim solution set.

          • GreenWin

            We are seeing the expansion of resource sharing with new industries like Lyft/Uber and AirBnB. Both save money and resources for regular folks. Uber has an option to pool your ride – thus being able to share cost or just give a needy person a free lift to the airport. (Last trip to LAX my poolmate “gave” a lift to a Japanese business man who had missed the bus – a good socialization exercise.) I’ve made several new friends via AirBnB rentals – it’s like community outreach,

            Likewise a neighborhood LENR-based microgrid would provide backup service and free energy to schools, hospitals, municipal buildings, community centers, etc. This is what utilities and Oligarchs fear most – loss of control.

          • psi2u2

            These are interesting developments. One can only hope that our culture moves further in the direction in making use of the cooperative element in human nature for the common good as well as as a business strategy.

          • There are downsides to AirBnB taking over. Vancouver, for example, has far fewer regular rentals now than it did before and this is a huge problem. Everyone who has a rental space is doing the AirBnB thing leaving regular renters with no place to stay. Ultra low vacancy rates are getting even worse.

            Then there are insurance and licensing issues as well. B&Bs jump through hoops to get licensed but AirBnB rentals don’t have to. How is that ok?

        • georgehants

          psi2u2, thank you for an informed and useful reply, as you say the solutions must be found.
          It is fascinating to read from others the indoctrinated ideology that seems to forbid the rational improvement of society in line with production and technology.
          Just like Cold Fusion for many the World must stay flat.

    • LarryJ

      He improved all of our lives and as you point out contributed billions to the common good. I think you got who owes who a little mixed up.

  • AdrianAshfield

    Bill Gates knows about Rossi and the E-Cat. At least I wrote him suggesting he should look into it after his first plea for a new energy source. That was several months ago.

    • DrD

      In which case he either doesn’t trust Rossi at all or else is awaiting some real proof.
      Many of are frustrated at the failed promises but Rossi does seem years ahead of the nearest rivals.

      • psi2u2

        Actually, the most plausible account I heard was that the two could not agree on the circumstances of a meeting, which is not surprising considering who each one is. Perhaps Rossi doesn’t trust Bill Gates either. I agree that he seems light years ahead of the nearest rivals. I think Gates tried to meet with him and when that fell through he went to the other Italians, with whom he did meet. So he has a clear interest in the sector, confirming what AdrianAshfield says.

        • DrD

          makes sense

        • AdrianAshfield

          I can’t see there is any advantage for Rossi to meet Gates. He apparently has enough money to continue and it would only ask for competition to prove that it works or provide details.
          My suspicion is that what Gates has in mind is LENR and he knows these revolutionary discoveries take longer to reach the market that most here think reasonable. Really five years is not long for the progress Rossi claims to have made. Consider that it takes getting on to ten years for a new car to reach the road.

          • psi2u2

            Agreed on all points.

        • Roland

          In so far as Bill Gates ‘borrowed’ all the fundamental concepts underlying his operating system, and has demonstrated a ruthless approach to suppressing potential competitors since gaining primacy, Rossi et al simply may not have viewed him as an ideal business partner…

      • LarryJ

        You hit the nail on the head with Real Proof. Or as the old saying goes, the proof is in the pudding. No big name like Bill Gates is going to start touting a new and supposedly impossible invention until he can actually buy one. He would have to be nuts and we are all pretty sure he is not nuts, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he is in some way, through some intermediary, invested in it.

        • DrD

          Agree but wouldn’t you think he would have phrased it differently? I mean to actualy make a prediction of 15 years seems like he’s risking his credibilty by being so far off the mark, like maybe about 10000% out. Or maybe it’s us(me) that’s too optiomistic.

  • AdrianAshfield

    Bill Gates knows about Rossi and the E-Cat. At least I wrote him suggesting he should look into it after his first plea for a new energy source. That was several months ago.

    • DrD

      In which case he either doesn’t trust Rossi at all or else is awaiting some real proof.
      Many of us are frustrated at the failed promises but Rossi does seem years ahead of the nearest rivals.

      • psi2u2

        Actually, the most plausible account I heard was that the two could not agree on the circumstances of a meeting, which is not surprising considering who each one is. Perhaps Rossi doesn’t trust Bill Gates either. I agree that Rossi seems light years ahead of the nearest rivals, and Gates is smart enough to want to meet someone like Rossi, but they have some obviously very different interests and orientations, so it is easy to see how any association might go sideways. I think Gates tried to meet with him and when that fell through he went to some of the other Italian researchers in the field, with whom he did meet. So he has a clear interest in the sector, confirming what AdrianAshfield says.

        • DrD

          makes sense

        • AdrianAshfield

          I can’t see there is any advantage for Rossi to meet Gates. He apparently has enough money to continue and it would only ask for competition to prove that it works or provide details.
          My suspicion is that what Gates has in mind is LENR and he knows these revolutionary discoveries take longer to reach the market that most here think reasonable. Really five years is not long for the progress Rossi claims to have made. Consider that it takes getting on to ten years for a new car to reach the road.

          • psi2u2

            Agreed on all points.

        • Roland

          In so far as Bill Gates ‘borrowed’ all the fundamental concepts underlying his operating system, and has demonstrated a ruthless approach to suppressing potential competitors since gaining primacy, Rossi et al simply may not have viewed him as an ideal business partner…

      • LarryJ

        You hit the nail on the head with Real Proof. Or as the old saying goes, the proof is in the pudding. No big name like Bill Gates is going to start touting a new and supposedly impossible invention until he can actually buy one. He would have to be nuts and we are all pretty sure he is not nuts, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he is in some way, through some intermediary, invested in it.

        • DrD

          Agree but wouldn’t you think he would have phrased it differently? I mean to actualy make a prediction of 15 years seems like he’s risking his credibilty by being so far off the mark, like maybe about 1000% out. Or maybe it’s us(me) that’s too optiomistic.

  • Fibber McGourlick

    He appears to know nothing about LENR, or else he disregards it as a solution. This is a total non-event and a waste of air space for those who believe in cold fusion.

  • Fibber McGourlick

    He appears to know nothing about LENR, or else he disregards it as a solution. This is a total non-event and a waste of air space for those who believe in cold fusion.

  • Björn

    15 years isnt long for Rossi. I have already waited 4-5 ? Years far the ecat I ordered from him. The breakthrough is always just one year, one test and one evaluation away. Im a little bit tired of waiting. My pellwts burner need replacing, I could use the ecat NOW.

    • Lux Terrea

      I hear ya. I’ve heard rumor that some kind of official 3rd party report on the 1 year test run is supposed to be coming out this month (March)?

      • Christina

        Yes, end of March 2016.

      • did you hear a rumour independent of this site?

    • Jouni Tuomela

      Har du också Värmebaronens Viking Bio? Jag har bestellningen in från Rossi sedan 2011.

      • Björn

        Jag har IWABO 30 kW fastigjetsbrännare.
        I dont want to invest in heating that will be obselete in a few years. Just ship those heaters out. Its time to start this revolution.
        Im still not convinced this isnt some kind of elaborate hoax or psyop. After 911, anything is possible.

  • Lux Terrea

    I hear ya. I’ve heard rumor that some kind of official 3rd party report on the 1 year test run is supposed to be coming out this month (March)?

    • Christina

      Yes, end of March 2016.

  • Jouni Tuomela

    Har du också Värmebaronens Viking Bio? Jag har bestellningen in från Rossi sedan 2011.

  • D.Grub

    How many years is the 1MW e-cat “for sale”?
    Is there any customer named since then?

    Secret cutomers don’t count for me.
    The miracle is around the corner and stays there for too long for all of us.

    It seems, 15 years is an educated guess, because A.R. has not delivered to the public and always talks about some new generation toy, which like the previous will not find the way to the markets for another long time ahead.

    • LarryJ

      The only big promise Rossi made and could not keep was the domestic heater but safety certification was out of his hands. In the 4 years since we have had 2 major published scientific studies, a 1MW industrial reactor in action for over a year now and a pending report on its performance and if you believe the rumours it was a success. I find it hard to dis a guy that keeps on delivering. From lab to store shelf takes a little time, especially for something that will so radically change the world and is after all nuclear power. Patience is a virtue.

      • DrD

        Yes, it’s the certification that worries me most. It’s a means by which those with vested interests might stop this, or delay it.
        Hence my thought that he might consider including 3rd world countries with less beauracray at least for the domestic market.

        • psi2u2

          The industrial certification is much easier to obtain, in part because it doesn’t upend in one blow the relationship between traditional suppliers and consumers, but allows suppliers to sell cheaper energy. I don’t think its going to be a big problem. Home installation is another matter, as you imply.

  • clovis ray

    HI, Guys,
    Dr.R said they would have products on the market this year, he does not lie, sometimes circumstances change,so it will push back the projection. when devolving new things all kinds of things happen some good some bad, my patience wears thin as well, but we must keep the big picture in our minds . this is going to be sooooo great. — bigsmile

  • Fibber McGourlick

    Why does he deserve so much attention? Bill Gates is the only developer I know who made most of his immense fortune by steadily downgrading his principle product (Win XP).

    • LarryJ

      You believe Win 10 is a downgrade of Win XP? Like everything, techs tend to evolve. It would be a stretch to call Win XP the epitome of the Windows evolution. People tend to love what they already know and hate change. My 93 year old mother thinks Win 10 sucks big time and so does that new fangled tablet. Perhaps you are in that camp.

  • Fibber McGourlick

    Why does he deserve so much attention? Bill Gates is the only developer I know who made most of his immense fortune by steadily downgrading his principle product (Win XP).

    • LarryJ

      You believe Win 10 is a downgrade of Win XP? Like everything, techs tend to evolve. It would be a stretch to call Win XP the epitome of the Windows evolution. People tend to love what they already know and hate change. My 93 year old mother thinks Win 10 sucks big time and so does that new fangled tablet. Perhaps you are in that camp.

  • Sceptic

    “Bill Gates does not owe anything to anybody” . O really ? I firmly sure, that Bill Gates is ultimate parasite . He is not working millions time harder then average man. Windows required million man hours of development. How long it would take him to develop It by himself ?

    The existence of billionaires mean, that capitalist system is completely sick. Its very old and becoming obsolete. When 80 billion dollars allocated to cater to needs of one man its completely insane. He is using and commanding more resources then all people of big American city. It not sustainable.

    • LarryJ

      Nevertheless I and many others have been using the products he delivered for many years and his products have allowed very substantial productivity gains that have improved all of our lives. Maybe it is not such a bad idea to have large chunks of capital controlled by people with a track record of directing its use effectively. We definitely know that governments don’t. Capitalism has proven itself quite sustainable for a very long time and for some strange reason the general standard of living in the world keeps rising despite the existence of billionaires.

      Capitalism is not perfect but I still have not seen a workable alternative and it is used and taxed by many socialist countries to provide strong social support networks for their populations.

      • psi2u2

        It seems clear to me that neither a purely “capitalistic” or a purely “socialistic” economy and way of life actually fits the complexities of human nature. The US is currently overly “capitalistic,” which is one reason it rates so low on many quality of life questions. But there is no question that markets can come up with, and implement, solutions to problems government cannot. That doesn’t mean private industry doesn’t sometimes need regulation, however, as so many of today’s politicos seem to think. Just my 2 cents.

        • Another problem, maybe the real on is that many pretended capitalist system are in fact crony.

          Most of the time that are lacking of freedom to access and register capital (this is the battle of hernando De Soto, so that poor people who are mostly entrepreneurs have their property registered), or the real free market (battle of “liberal” in western economies).

          USA is not so free market nor so competitive…
          Some social groups have captured the free market, obtain economic rent, or block others.

          In france it is even worse and a double system is merging, not between rich and poors, but between the rent-owner of various wealth (from protected employee to state-protected company owner), and the dynamic economic fighter (from the intermittent worker to the new economy tycoon )…

          France like USA make a double standard emerge, black or white, stable job or self-employed…

          Marx for me is not supporting the good cut in the society.

          see that:

          http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/bf3d0444-e129-11e5-9217-6ae3733a2cd1.html#axzz42QVbC6Kk

          Refugees from Syria are so admirative of French system that they prefer to die on a rubberboat to England than stay there.

          • GreenWin

            AlainCo, what’s wrong with dying on a “rubberboat to England?” Remember William Wallace,” They can take our boaties but they’ll never take… Our FREEDOM!”

          • I feel just insulted that our fantastic social system that push refugees to take a rubber boat to escape and schoolboys to go to Syria and suicide back home, is not considered with enough admiration…

            8(

            I feel like a supported of APS seeing an LENR paper… it cannot be true, the evidence are wrong.

          • GreenWin

            When your mind is made up – YES, th evidence is wrong!

        • YES, clearly a balance between capitalism and socialism should be struck AND it should be up to a properly informed and educated population, as a group, to determine the right balance (with evidence-based decision making help from academia).

          This balance should not be decided by a small number of elite. i.e. NOT the oligarchs who control the media and NOT the corporate lobbyists and ESPECIALLY NOT the corrupt, bought and paid for politicians.

          • hum,
            academic have shown that like feared for worst capitalism, they just defend their job.
            if defending their job mean fooling the publicn and runing our future with denial or false cliam, thei do it , not even consciously, but by a crowd effect, grouthink, and self delusion.

            on the opposite a good system should not hope for honesty, but should exploit selfishness. as for LENR this have been proven wrong.

            people who take decision should be the one who pay if they are wrong or late, and take the benefit if they are good.

            “I trust those hungry for dollars a thousand times more than those hungry for honors and rank.” (Nassim Nicholas Taleb)

  • Brokeeper

    We all are placed somewhere between King Solomon and the ‘poor widow’. Judge any? I dare not.

  • I hope the Industrial Heat test results come out soon and are positive with a high COP. As I keep stating, we need a major press conference with a video presentation of the reactor tested, a brief theoretical presentation of how LENR works, and statements by Darden, Rossi, and representatives from the testing agency. There needs to be a Q & A session and a major effort to get the television media to cover the story. They need printed fact sheets and video DVDs to hand out to the press. TV news will not cover a press release. We need a video recorded press conference with dramatic statements and real proof, something they can play on the nightly news. You cannot hold up a press release with your hand on the nightly news. You need real people talking and answering questions. The presidential candidates need to be asked what they think of this new development and if they will support the rapid development of LENR. This could change the debate on energy policy if Tom Darden makes the right decisions. Bill Gates needs to be interviewed about LENR as well. That makes a news story. LENR needs to be made a major subject of national interest like the Zika virus and ISIS.

    • EEStorFanFibb

      We don’t need any of that PR stuff and for you to expect it is ridiculous imo. Let IH quietly go about their business.

      • I do not share your opinion. Energy policy is important to the USA and the world, and voters are making decisions about who will lead us based in part on the presidential candidate’s energy policy ideas. Right now less that 2% of the population has heard about LENR; they only know about failed cold fusion experiments of the past. If you think ignorance is good for democracy, then stick with your opinion as stated. Rossi has had many press conferences in the past, and now he could have a big one with Darden, the testing company, and the factory owner. That is news. I do not understand why you think a press conference at this important juncture would be inappropriate. It would be appropriate as hell.

        • LarryJ

          Rossi’s previous conferences were intended to attract investment, not convince the world.

          • The world needs to be convinced that we do not need to waste billions of dollars building more unreliable bird killing windmills and costly unreliable solar power schemes. People need to know that there is a low cost, nontoxic, carbon free alternative that actually works and that does not need mandates and subsidies to survive. As an example, the Oregon State Legislature recently passed legislation requiring that Oregon have 50% renewable energy by some future date. That will be horribly expensive, jack up the cost of electricity tremendously, which will hurt the poor the most, will do absolutely nothing to change the weather, but will increase unemployment and budget deficits. We need an educated public to stop this kind of nutty, suicidal nonsense.

          • DrD

            Let me predict that if i have my own 20kW e-Cat with almost free fuel, it won’t be very long before my friends, colleagues, neighbours all want them and so on. Why would it be any different in Oregon? Who needs advertising or that kind of legislation. The real fear is negative legislation. I doubt you will convince the world about the birds.

          • Pedestrian GreenWin

            Wind turbines don’t kill birds… birds do! following suicidal tendencies inflamed by changing climate and rising seas. Have you forgotten ALL your ornithology DrD? “Winged creature-cide” is an ecological disaster on the order of volcanic eruption and tsunami. Read a science book! Or listen to BBC. Sheesh.

          • DrD

            Like I said, I doubt you will convince the world. I also have no knowledge and little interest in their suicidal tendancies.
            More to the point you miss the point.

          • I think we may have a GreenWin ‘wannabe’ in our midst. GW should be very flattered.

          • An ‘educated public’ is unfortunately pretty close to being an oxymoron in many Western countries.

            I’ve just been listening on the radio to the ‘opinions’ of random members of the British public on the subject of the forthcoming ‘Brexit’ referendum, and duly lost whatever strands of faith I may have still had in democracy. As if voting in a right-wing corporate government hadn’t already made that point.

        • EEStorFanFibb

          what Larry said!

    • LarryJ

      None of your suggested publicity initiatives or a positive ERV report would make any difference at all. Until there are products on the market nobody is going to take it seriously enough to start making business and government policy changes around it. You tend to forget or ignore that this tech is a paradigm shift, not a better mouse trap and paradigm shifts do not follow the normal rules. For a paradigm shift, seeing is believing is the only rule. At best your ideas would draw ridicule to the people involved and possibly a rallying point for the opposition. Rossi is well aware that these reports are useful for convincing early investors and useless for convincing the public. Hopefully products will appear this year but until they do it is all just vaporware and wishful thinking as far as the wide world is concerned.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        Completely agreed. (At least as far as the E-cat is concerned. It’s a rather unique case.)

      • It seems likely that the mainstream media will continue their blackout on this topic even after news of further working plants is leaked. As a truly disruptive technology, news of CF, and especially any recognition of its significance will be suppressed for as long as possible in order to allow quiet disinvestment in stranded assets by the big boys, and acquisition of assets related to cold fusion and its deployment.

        Certain groups will also be looking for any indications of danger associated with CF reactor operation, so that this information can be used by their lobbyists in an attempt to gain a ‘nuclear’ monopoly of the technology through legislation in Western parliaments. ‘National Security’ may also be used as the pretense for seizing control of CF.

        If successful, then as well as allowing introduction to be controlled so as to minimise damage to existing interests such as nuclear fission, such legislation would also be used to keep out any LENR-based products from China or Russia. What’s not to like – if you happen to be one of a group of sociopathic directors of soon to be obsolete energy concerns such as fission power?

        • DrD

          I absolutely agree. I wonder if we have all realised it might not be a smooth transition, on the contrary in fact —.

    • DrD

      With all due respect I don’t think we do need those things. What we need is a the full certifcation, a good ERV report and most of all, for Rossi to get those cats into our homes and factories. I’m tempted to say, to stop adding/changing the design and leave the innovation to the next model. Although I can well understand whay the E-catx is probably so advanced that an additional delay might be justified.
      Anyway, as they say, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating, the tv etc will follow.

  • I hope the Industrial Heat test results come out soon and are positive with a high COP. As I keep stating, we need a major press conference with a video presentation of the reactor tested, a brief theoretical presentation of how LENR works, and statements by Darden, Rossi, and representatives from the testing agency. There needs to be a Q & A session and a major effort to get the television media to cover the story. They need printed fact sheets and video DVDs to hand out to the press. TV news will not cover a press release. We need a video recorded press conference with dramatic statements and real proof, something they can play on the nightly news. You cannot hold up a press release with your hand on the nightly news. You need real people talking and answering questions. The presidential candidates need to be asked what they think of this new development and if they will support the rapid development of LENR. This could change the debate on energy policy if Tom Darden makes the right decisions. Bill Gates needs to be interviewed about LENR as well. That makes a news story. LENR needs to be made a major subject of national interest like the Zika virus and ISIS.

    • We don’t need any of that PR stuff and for you to expect it is ridiculous imo. Let IH quietly go about their business.

      • I do not share your opinion. Energy policy is important to the USA and the world, and voters are making decisions about who will lead us based in part on the presidential candidate’s energy policy ideas. Right now less that 2% of the population has heard about LENR; they only know about failed cold fusion experiments of the past. If you think ignorance is good for democracy, then stick with your opinion as stated. Rossi has had many press conferences in the past, and now he could have a big one with Darden, the testing company, and the factory owner. That is news. I do not understand why you think a press conference at this important juncture would be inappropriate. It would be appropriate as hell.

        • LarryJ

          Rossi’s previous conferences were intended to attract investment, not convince the world.

          • The world needs to be convinced that we do not need to waste billions of dollars building more unreliable bird killing windmills and costly unreliable solar power schemes. People need to know that there is a low cost, nontoxic, carbon free alternative that actually works and that does not need mandates and subsidies to survive. As an example, the Oregon State Legislature recently passed legislation requiring that Oregon have 50% renewable energy by some future date. That will be horribly expensive, jack up the cost of electricity tremendously, which will hurt the poor the most, will do absolutely nothing to change the weather, but will increase unemployment and budget deficits. We need an educated public to stop this kind of nutty, suicidal nonsense.

          • DrD

            Let me predict that if i have my own 20kW e-Cat with almost free fuel, it won’t be very long before my friends, colleagues, neighbours all want them and so on. Why would it be any different in Oregon? Who needs advertising or that kind of legislation. The real fear is negative legislation. I doubt you will convince the world about the birds.

          • Pedestrian GreenWin

            Wind turbines don’t kill birds… birds do! following suicidal tendencies inflamed by changing climate and rising seas. Have you forgotten ALL your ornithology DrD? “Winged creature-cide” is an ecological disaster on the order of volcanic eruption and tsunami. Read a science book! Or listen to BBC. Sheesh.

          • DrD

            Like I said, I doubt you will convince the world. I also have no knowledge and little interest in their suicidal tendancies.
            More to the point you miss the point.

          • I think we may have a GreenWin ‘wannabe’ in our midst. GW should be very flattered.

          • An ‘educated public’ is unfortunately pretty close to being an oxymoron in some Western countries.

            I’ve just been listening on the radio to the ‘opinions’ of random members of the British public on the subject of the forthcoming ‘Brexit’ referendum, and quickly lost whatever traces of faith I may have still had in democracy (as if voting in a deregulating corporate-sponsored ‘government’ of the rich hadn’t already adequately demonstrated its shortcomings).

          • bachcole

            Compared to who?

          • The LAST GreenWin

            OH dear, it is just such “An educated public” that has swallowed the climate gang’s alarmism whole these past decades. Did you not see Leonardo DiCaprio tell us this after winning his Academy Award for appearing in a film about a climate-addled grizzly bear?? Ask President Obama – he’ll tell you the truth that climate change is mankind’s greatest threat to survival. Only proven alternatives (solar and wind mills ) can save us from certain DOOM! Cold fusion is ‘speudo-science” Algore and Mary Yugo say so! People who dismiss climate change should be arrested and jailed for treason etc, etc. — all thanks to the success of “public educators…” Get with it man! Get alarmed and demand Marshall Law in the UK to cleanse itself of climate deniersl And remember how simple it is to turn in a neighbor: “If you see something, SAY something” and be an ‘educated’ patriot for God’s sake!!” IF only our Last Lion (Sir Winnie) were still leading us! Personally, I’ve got a survival kit stowed in my inflatable raft tucked away in the attic and I got Alex Jones’ home number on speed dial. I expect me, Alex, Jesse Ventura and a few backwoodsmen from Georgia U.S. will be the last real men on Earth after the Apocalypse – you and yours are welcome to share our meager rations in the Final Days – but only if you join us brave members of a truly “educated public,” today! BTW, hope y’all like canned beats, I got a stash of 200 cases stowed next to the flare gun! God save the Queern! ;(

        • what Larry said!

    • LarryJ

      None of your suggested publicity initiatives or a positive ERV report would make any difference at all. Until there are products on the market nobody is going to take it seriously enough to start making business and government policy changes around it. I do believe that big investors are starting to act but they are already well informed and tend to stay well under the radar. You tend to forget or ignore that this tech is a paradigm shift, not a better mouse trap and paradigm shifts do not follow the normal rules. For a paradigm shift, seeing is believing is the only rule. At best your ideas would draw ridicule to the people involved and possibly a rallying point for the opposition. Rossi is well aware that these reports are useful for convincing early investors and useless for convincing the public. Hopefully products will appear this year but until they do it is all just vaporware and wishful thinking as far as the wide world is concerned.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        Completely agreed. (At least as far as the E-cat is concerned. It’s a rather unique case.)

      • It seems very likely that the mainstream media will continue their blackout on this topic even after news of further working plants is leaked. As a truly disruptive technology, news of CF, and especially any recognition of its significance will be suppressed for as long as possible in order to allow quiet disinvestment in stranded assets by the big boys, and acquisition of assets related to cold fusion and its deployment.

        Certain groups will also be looking for any indications of danger associated with CF reactor operation, so that this information can be used by their controlled media and political lobbyists in an attempt to create a ‘nuclear’ monopoly of the technology through legislation in Western parliaments. ‘National Security concerns’ may also be used by governments to seize control of CF on behalf of their paymasters.

        If successful, then as well as allowing introduction to be controlled so as to minimise damage to existing interests such as nuclear fission, such legislation would also be used to keep out any LENR-based products from China or Russia. What’s not to like – if you happen to be one of a group of sociopathic directors of soon to be obsolete energy concerns such as fission power?

        • DrD

          I absolutely agree. I wonder if we have all realised it might not be a smooth transition, on the contrary in fact —.

    • DrD

      With all due respect I don’t think we do need those things. What we need is the full certifcation, a good ERV report and most of all, for Rossi to get those cats into our homes and factories. I’m tempted to say, to stop adding/changing the design and leave the innovation to the next model. Although I can well understand whay the E-catx is probably so advanced that an additional delay might be justified.
      Anyway, as they say, “the proof of the pudding will be in the eating”, the tv etc will follow.
      Edit:
      and “a picture paints 1000 words” in this case read for “picture” “1000 Ecats” around the world and growing. If the rumours are true, nothing will stop this, the word will spread like wild fire — If it’s true: COP’s of 20 to 80 (even 6 is remarkable)? 100% Selfsustaining? choice between electric or heat etc etc,

  • bachcole

    Frank, when you have multiple paragraphs in a single quote, you start the beginning of each paragraph with a quote mark but not the end of the paragraph, unless the paragraph is the last paragraph in the quote, thusly:

    “blah blah blah.

    “more blah blah blah.

    “last paragraph blah blah blah”

    (:->)

  • bachcole

    Gates may be hedging his bets. I don’t think that he was paying close enough attention at ENEA in 2014. And, his dating (2031) is too far into the future. By 2026, Lagos will be swimming in either LENR generated energy or incredibly cheap oil.

  • LarryJ

    I agree with your point that the USSR would not have made the best use of Bill Gates but referring to the USSR as a socialist democracy is like comparing their economic/political model back then to most of Europe, Scandinavia and Canada. The USSR was actually a communist dictatorship with a totally directed economy. There was only a sham democracy.

  • LarryJ

    The speed of technological change increases exponentially. It took the smartphone 7 years to get to where it is now and it is a far more complex product than the ecat. I would be very surprised if it took as long as 5 years after its introduction for this tech to be ubiquitous. Rossi has even stated that they plan a massive production to discourage copy cats and they will license OEMs. That may delay the introduction while they stock the shelves but once it starts, look out.

  • VicB2B

    The most unexpected miracle would be for all future revenues from Msoft product licensing to be redirected to STEM education in public schools.

  • Argon

    Maybe Mr Gates is simply aware of these technologies, but did not manage to get directly involved as speculated by other comments below. Now he wrote his ‘prediction’ in a form that he could be called ‘visionary’ in history books. No matter how rich, good and successful may be you are still the same small (selfie)kid who has hunger for recognition. Just a thought.

    I have been away for a while and for me Rossi is better to come out
    with report this time or he’s out for me. We should ignore, also in this
    site, all new talks about Ecat-X until old cat is independently proven.

    More importantly Bob Greenyers hard work
    collecting picks from various sources is job well done. Even he would
    not get all pieces right according to theory, his continuous efforts to
    secure at least part of the technology in Open Source by publishing
    theories is something that deserves his place in history books – right
    besides Linus Torvalds. Why? Because Linus and other Open Source
    promoters did huge shift in SW industry and advanced development 10 fold
    compared to what greedy corporations ever could accomplish (I have seen
    all the shit inside versions of Windows, Oracle, SCO-unix younameit
    compared to Linux, Apache, MariaDB etc). Same could happen with LENR-applications if Bobs efforts are successful. We should put our selfishness (~selfieshness) aside and try to help Bobs and MFMP efforts for better future of humankind.

  • GreenWin

    “The public at the time regarded the street much in the same way as
    people had since cities were first formed. It was a space for people. A
    place to walk, a place to play, a place to alight from a streetcar. Cars
    were regarded as violent intruders in this common space.”
    http://www.copenhagenize.com/2011/02/anti-automobile-age-and-what-we-can.html

    Expect to hear: “What’s wrong with sustainable solar and wind? Why do we need ‘nuclear’ reactors in our homes and businesses?” “Remember Fukushima…”

    From Peter D. Norton’s book FIGHTING TRAFFIC…The Dawn of the Motor Age in the American City.

  • GreenWin

    “The public at the time regarded the street much in the same way as
    people had since cities were first formed. It was a space for people. A
    place to walk, a place to play, a place to alight from a streetcar. Cars
    were regarded as violent intruders in this common space.”
    http://www.copenhagenize.com/2011/02/anti-automobile-age-and-what-we-can.html

    Expect to hear: “What’s wrong with sustainable solar and wind? Why do we need ‘nuclear’ reactors in our homes and businesses?” “Remember Fukushima…”

    From Peter D. Norton’s book FIGHTING TRAFFIC…The Dawn of the Motor Age in the American City.

  • malkom700

    It is obvious that Bill Gates believes in a new technologies but does not believe in LENR. The same applies to the world’s political elite. Hopefully it brings a big change in March. It is also likely that Bill Gates has missed this great deal.

    • psi2u2

      I don’t know what you can base a statement like that on. We have no real idea of what he “believes in” or doesn’t, except for this prediction and the fact that he has demonstrated an interest in LENR, which on its face suggests he may well “believe” in it.

      • Bill Gates is very heavily invested in the unproven concept of ‘traveling wave’ fission reactors, through TerraPower and other companies. Possibly this is the ‘miracle’ energy source he’s referring to:

        http://terrapower.com/

        https://news.vice.com/article/tech-titans-like-bill-gates-are-gambling-on-nuclear-power-but-it-looks-to-be-a-losing-bet

        Or perhaps he just needs time to extricate his money from Terrapower, and to re-invest in CF. In view of his investment in fission and his silence regarding LENR, Gates seems much more likely to be part of the problem than part of the solution.

        • malkom700

          Many people put ahead of personal interests against the interests of the world, but this is not a case of Bill Gates. Just do not believe in it.

          • psi2u2

            I’m not saying he’s doing that, but its not really an either-or situation with these technologies. Gates himself has said the profit opportunities are huge, which they are, for any technology that can produce reliable energy at a fraction the cost of today’s energy.

          • malkom700

            I think you’re right. The bottom line is that very many people lose a lot depending on which technology will be the winner.

  • georgehants

    Just a few stats on the US for those who believe it is the best system.
    ——-
    The US ranked particularly poorly in overall well-being: 68th in Health and Wellness and 74th in Ecosystem Sustainability. ———-
    ——-
    The country ranked 8th overall in Opportunity and 1st in Access to
    Higher Education. But in terms of personal freedom and personal rights,
    the US ranked only 15th and 24th, respectively.
    ——-
    In terms of meeting basic human needs, the US ranked 21st overall,
    including 6th in Shelter. In nutrition and basic medical care, however,
    the US lagged behind at 39th.
    http://uk.businessinsider.com/16-most-socially-advanced-countries-2015-4?op=1

  • georgehants

    Just a few stats on the US for those who believe it is the best system.
    ——-
    The US ranked particularly poorly in overall well-being: 68th in Health and Wellness and 74th in Ecosystem Sustainability. ———-
    ——-
    The country ranked 8th overall in Opportunity and 1st in Access to
    Higher Education. But in terms of personal freedom and personal rights,
    the US ranked only 15th and 24th, respectively.
    ——-
    In terms of meeting basic human needs, the US ranked 21st overall,
    including 6th in Shelter. In nutrition and basic medical care, however,
    the US lagged behind at 39th.
    http://uk.businessinsider.com/16-most-socially-advanced-countries-2015-4?op=1

  • Karl Venter

    Time for Mr Gates to give back to all those who bought his system
    Time for him to publicly announce his looking into/seen LENR as a possibility for his 15 year plan
    That should let a few people sit up and take notice
    But he wont theirs nothing in it for him

  • Karl Venter

    Time for Mr Gates to give back to all those who bought his system
    Time for him to publicly announce his looking into/seen LENR as a possibility for his 15 year plan
    That should let a few people sit up and take notice
    But he wont theirs nothing in it for him

  • DrD

    It puzzles me (we think he knows about Rossi’s work), why he risks looking foolish by predicting 15 years when it’s looking like it might be within months. Even considering all the missed deadlines so far.
    That’s quite different from not wanting to be assocaited with it, that i can understand.
    Maybe he will argue 18 months meets his prediction.

    • Stephen

      I guess if he said in 15 days all kinds of panic selling and disruption would occur out there, it could really be an irrational mess. Maybe this approach is a good way to say there maybe something out there with out panicking the “establishment. And then when it comes sooner say well it came even sooner than expected.

      I think, however, he is using the idea though to stimulate young and inventive minds to start thinking creatively and not to be afraid of coming up with crazy new ideas. Actually I rather like that. Creative thinking is good thing that has been discouraged for too long. Who knows what future Andrea Rossi, Tesla, Frank or Bob… is out there with great new ideas and/or data that needs to be presented, understood and explored.

    • At risk of sounding totally paranoid, Gates knows about LENR and it’s potential, so one possible interpretation is that he has reason to be confident that its introduction will be delayed by up to 15 years in order to allow a controlled changeover – i.e., one without significant losses to those who own and control the in the current energy paradigm, and which creates new profit streams for them.

      • DrD

        So our dedicated researches have (maybe) solved the technology issues but now we have an “energy war” looming and it won’t be clean. I hope not.

  • DrD

    It puzzles me (we think he knows about Rossi’s work), why he risks looking foolish by predicting 15 years when it’s looking like it might be within months. Even considering all the missed deadlines so far.
    That’s quite different from not wanting to be assocaited with it, that i can understand.
    Maybe he will argue 18 months meets his prediction.

    • Stephen

      I guess if he said in 15 days all kinds of panic selling, panic buying and disruption would occur out there, it could really be an irrational mess and maybe ordinary people would be affected most. Maybe this approach is a good way to say there maybe something out there with out panicking the “establishment”. And then when it comes sooner say well it came even sooner than expected.

      I think, however, he is using the idea though to stimulate young and inventive minds to start thinking creatively and not to be afraid of coming up with crazy new ideas. Actually I rather like that. Creative thinking is good thing that has been discouraged for too long. Who knows what future Andrea Rossi, Tesla, Frank or Bob… is out there with great new ideas and/or data that needs to be presented, understood and explored.

    • At risk of sounding totally paranoid, Gates knows about LENR and it’s potential, so one possible interpretation is that he has reason to be confident that its introduction will be delayed by up to 15 years in order to allow a controlled changeover – i.e., one without significant losses to those who own and control the current energy infrastructure, and which creates new profit streams for them.

      • DrD

        So our dedicated researches have (maybe) solved the technology issues but now we have an “energy war” looming and it won’t be clean. Well I hope we’re mistaken.

  • Warthog

    If you watch the streams of “immigrants” in videos, there are VERY few women and many, many fewer children. These crowds are composed almost exclusively of young adult males. I think the term “invasion” is accurate.

    • It was probably the same ratio in the boats to America. Boys are more adventurous than families.

      note that when pilgrim father founded colonies in America, many drowned because boat were dangerous and there was no better way.

      Today immigrants only die because using a plane is illegal, even for could-be-legal refugees.

      most of Syrian refugees can pay 10 plane tickets, the hotel, and the health insurance.
      they can also create a job and create more wealth than their cost, provided we invest in some language courses, and allow evil bosses to exploit them until they became boss to exploit others.

      There is evil guys in the crowd of desperate, but there are already many evil in our suburbs, and part of the evil guys are manufactured by us.

      the best project for refugees was an Egyptian who proposed to buy an island, receive the refugees, let them make business, and pay the rent.

      I would imagine they build Singapore 2.0 in 20 years.

      Levantine antifragility is legendary.

      US people are much less entrepreneuring than levantine (Lebanon, Syria, Irak…). there problems is not there.

      • Warthog

        It may be that the wave of immigration to the USA in the immediate decade before and the decade after 1900 came over with an excess of males, but the pilgrims came over as whole families (mine among them).

        But I doubt the ratio was anything like the herds that are streaming into Europe. There is no indication that the MANY Youtube videos are anything other than typical.

        • Warthog

          Good question. Given Pew’s liberal orientation, they may not want to turn over that particular rock again.

          It is the “attitudes and ethics of (some of) the people coming into our country” that leads me to a “no path to citizenship” position for illegals. By their very actions, they have shown that they are lacking in ethics, at least compared to those who have come here legally.

  • LarryJ

    Your comment that the smartphone resulted from the much longer and earlier evolution of the mobile phone illustrates my point that each new wave of technology is faster than the previous. Just like the evolution of vinyl to tape, to cd to dvd to flash drive. The same process will happen with the ecat only faster.

    After the domestic heater is approved I think you will very quickly see ordinary plug in radiant heaters heaters powered by an ecatx available at WalMart and if Rossi can be believed they won’t be any more expensive than the radiant heaters now on the market. That will mean that anyone on the grid including renters will be able to take advantage of this tech with very little capital outlay.

    Affordable heat for the average person is a very subjective statement. Affordable for one is punitive for another. I am a pretty average Canadian and I spend $1000/yr on oil, $400/yr on firewood and $200/month during winter on electricity. A couple of inexpensive radiant heaters spread around could save me a large part of that.

  • Omega Z

    Gates is well aware of whats going on and knows it wont be 15 years. There’s other things at work here.

    Imagine-
    In 3 years we will be able to grow all our food in a lab.
    Tomorrow all farmers quit growing food.
    We all die of starvation before the labs are even up and running.
    This may sound stupid and improbable but, I have history to back this this up. Society often does stupid things…

    Gates is just promoting continuity. We need to continue our current path until this technology is actually available and ready for the transition. This will take years. Best guesstimate at present without further time slides is 2 years before any real production begins. Years more to ramp that up anywhere near making a real difference.

    • DrD

      Except if you look at what he actually predicted it was only “the discovery of —“. We here probably would agree it is has already happened. The rest of the world might take a little longer to hear about it but surely not 15 years, or even 5?
      Agreed it could take a long time for the world to adapt and it will be very disruptive for many and I fear that those who will suffer will do their best to put barriers in the way.

      • Omega Z

        As I said, Gates is promoting continuity. Stating 15 years is likely the minimum in order to promote calm. Had he said 5 years or even 10 years, to many would start looking about to see what he was talking about or apparently aware of. 15 years merely sounds like a possible eventuality. Nothing confirmed.

        Considering all the other high profile people aware of Rossi, it’s impossible for Gates not to be aware.

    • psi2u2

      I don’t know. But I do know this is what must be done. A first step is ending the war on drugs. Drugs are a medical problem. No one should be in jail for using them.

  • Omega Z

    Gates is well aware of whats going on and knows it wont be 15 years. There’s other things at work here.

    Imagine-
    In 3 years we will be able to grow all our food in a lab.
    Tomorrow all farmers quit growing food.
    We all die of starvation before the labs are even up and running.
    This may sound stupid and improbable but, I have history to back this this up. Society often does stupid things…

    Gates is just promoting continuity. We need to continue our current path until this technology is actually available and ready for the transition. This will take years. Best guesstimate at present without further time slides is 2 years before any real production begins. Years more to ramp that up anywhere near making a real difference.

    • DrD

      Except if you look at what he actually predicted it was only “the discovery of —“. We here probably would agree it is has already happened. The rest of the world might take a little longer to hear about it but surely not 15 years, or even 5?
      Agreed it could take a long time for the world to adapt and it will be very disruptive for many and I fear that those who will suffer will do their best to put barriers in the way.

      • Omega Z

        As I said, Gates is promoting continuity. Stating 15 years is likely the minimum in order to promote calm. Had he said 5 years or even 10 years, to many would start looking about to see what he was talking about or apparently aware of. 15 years merely sounds like a possible eventuality. Nothing confirmed.

        Considering all the other high profile people aware of Rossi, it’s impossible for Gates not to be aware.

    • bachcole

      “Gates is well aware of whats going on and knows it wont be 15 years.” Omega Z, are you psychic? Did he say something somewhere that would indicate that he is “well aware”. Or did you just make that up as an introduction to your speculations.

  • georgehants

    Capitalism has shortfalls. It doesn’t necessarily take care of the poor, and it
    underfunds innovation, so we have to offset that.
    Bill Gates

    • GreenWin

      Sounds like you and Bill have a lot to discuss when you get together for a bottle of red whilst gazing upon your pirate harbour.

      • georgehants

        Morning GreenWin, is it really you putting up comments in different GreenWin names on this page?
        In answer to your point, yes and anybody who is not aware of the problems he mentions is, I think, a little misguided.
        Sun shining today, first time in a while.

        • The Original GreenWin

          Morning George. We could use your sun here in the NW of NA, ” ‘Tis truly aye, said the blind man…”

  • roseland67

    Bill Gates “energy miracle” will be newer nuclear reactors, not LENR

  • roseland67

    Bill Gates “energy miracle” will be newer nuclear reactors, not LENR

  • Fibber McGourlick

    Why worry about this kind of stuff? In two weeks or so, when the positive results of the 1 MW, 1- Year Rossi Reactor test are revealed everything will change.

    • roseland67

      Fibber,
      When IH confirms it, great

  • Fibber McGourlick

    Why worry about this kind of stuff? In two weeks or so, when the positive results of the 1 MW, 1- Year Rossi Reactor test are revealed everything will change.

    • roseland67

      Fibber,
      When IH confirms it, great

  • Warthog

    It isn’t my perspective, it is the results of research, I think by Pew. I was amazed that they actually allowed it to be published, as they tend to lean liberal.

    I don’t disagree with a single point you made. The current problems are: 1) there are some groups that choose not to assimilate, and 2) the numbers are increasing too quickly for assimilation to happen as it has in the past.

    I don’t support mass deportation, “do” support legalization, but think a “pause” in total immigration is desirable. And we certainly MUST regain control of our Southern border.

    However…..I do NOT support a “path to citizenship” for those adults who came (or stayed) here in violation of our laws. Such scofflaws should NEVER be allowed a say in the process of making new laws (i.e. voting). Legal permanent residency fully satisfies the requirements of mercy and of the “welcome the stranger” perspective of Christianity.

    • psi2u2

      Are you a supporter of Trump’s “Wall,” then? Have you done the cost estimates? The only serious way to reduce the flood of immigration is to improve living conditions and job opportunities south of the border. The trouble with walls is that the shovel’s been invented.

      • Warthog

        “Are you a supporter of Trump’s “Wall,” then? Have you done the cost
        estimates?

        Don’t know. I haven’t studied his proposal.

        “The only serious way to reduce the flood of immigration is
        to improve living conditions and job opportunities south of the border. “

        Already been tried…multiple billions of dollars of “foreign aid”. Didn’t work.

        “The trouble with walls is that the shovel’s been invented.

        It seems to have worked for Israel.

        • psi2u2

          Its impossible to do what Trump wants to do by building a wall. Period. Its just a stupid, ridiculous, piece of political trumpery. And when he starts proclaiming that he’s going to make Mexico pay for it, any person who lives in the real world might want to ask, “how”? — and when you ask that question, you realize what hollow opportunist that ugly man is.

          • Warthog

            As I said to another poster, it has worked for the Israelis. IIRC, it slowed the influx by 90+%.

            Of course an actual physical wall along the whole border “is” ridiculous, but for certain zones along the border, they WILL be practical, as between dense urban zones built up along both sides of the border. Different approaches elsewhere.

            But right now, Obama and ICE are doing NOTHING to even slow the influx down. And Hillary would be just as bad, or worse. So if Trump wins the nomination, I will vote for him, ugly or not.

    • GreenWin

      Hey guys, is it possible that abundant resources (LENR) will eliminate tribal conflict? IF energy was equally available to all social sectors why would conflict erupt? Raising standards of living for ALL people eliminates class conflict. Such conflict is the fodder of oligarchs who thrive on fear and profit from arms sales to the most fearful.

      It would truly suck to eliminate FEAR in human tribal culture – because that would eliminate motivation to ‘defend’ themselves with expensive weapons. Personally I’m terrified of climate change so, I got me a inflatable raft and a high quality survival kit, flare gun, desal pills, and freeze dried steak dinners – I aint goin out without a fuggin fight bros!! FEAR is healthy for the least educated!

      • Warthog

        “Hey guys, is it possible that abundant resources (LENR) will eliminate
        tribal conflict? IF energy was equally available to all social sectors
        why would conflict erupt? Raising standards of living for ALL people
        eliminates class conflict. Such conflict is the fodder of oligarchs who
        thrive on fear and profit from arms sales to the most fearful.

        I think it very unlikely. Most conflict these days is NOT economically driven, but religious/ethnic.

      • bachcole

        “Hey guys, is it possible that abundant resources (LENR) will eliminate tribal conflict?” Reduce, certainly. Eliminate? In your dreams.

  • Fedir Mykhaylov

    Distribution ECAT technology pretty soon raise the issue of the cost of a fuel ingredients Li. The cost of lithium and now great Imagine how it will grow in a wide use of e-Cat reactor.

    • LarryJ

      E=MC^2 illustrates such a huge potential of power in cold fusion reactors that the amounts of these elements needed for fuel are minimal. The driving force behind the rising cost of Lithium would be increasing battery production for home and automotive systems. The introduction of cheap power will cause a boom in the economy that will likely result in rising prices for all commodities but the ecat tech itself will have little effect.

      • malkom700

        Bill Gates’ prediction for 15 years, politicians planned for 2050. As if do not even live on this planet.

      • Fedir Mykhaylov

        I totally agree with the statement of batteries . Lithium is still used in the chemical industry . However, there are statements about that when using lithium in fusion reactors lithium reserves will last for a hundred years. Let’s hope for the development of the sodium ion batteries .

  • Fedir Mykhaylov

    Distribution ECAT technology pretty soon raise the issue of the cost of a fuel ingredients Li. The cost of lithium and now great Imagine how it will grow in a wide use of e-Cat reactor.

    • LarryJ

      E=MC^2 illustrates such a huge potential of power in cold fusion reactors that the amounts of these elements needed for fuel are minimal. The driving force behind the rising cost of Lithium would be increasing battery production for home and automotive systems. The introduction of cheap power will cause a boom in the economy that will likely result in rising prices for all commodities but the ecat tech itself will have little effect.

      • malkom700

        Bill Gates’ prediction for 15 years, politicians planned for 2050. As if do not even live on this planet. Of course it is true that for 27 years has been successful in preventing the spread of clean energy.

      • Fedir Mykhaylov

        I totally agree with the statement of batteries . Lithium is still used in the chemical industry . However, there are statements about that when using lithium in fusion reactors lithium reserves will last for a hundred years. Let’s hope for the development of the sodium ion batteries .

  • LarryJ

    and the attitudes and ethics of those already there

  • GreenWin

    The purveyors of Red Ice Radio (Swedish) argue vehemently that their sovereign nation is being invaded by immoral, undisciplined Muslims. Sounds a bit alarmist to me. But why should any nation have to accept refugees IF we level standards of living via low cost energy? That world politicians and social scientists cannot grok this is an astonishment – are they just ignorant or dismissive of potential solutions?? Ego-driven academics are the scourge of humanity. Look how they retarded LENR.

  • Warthog

    I thought that was called “an IRA.” I also think that Chile has implemented something like you propose. IIRC the difference between a US IRA and a Chilean IRA is that in Chile, the worker is REQUIRED to “buy in” while in the US participation is voluntary. But it has been quite a long time since I read up on the subject of the Chilean system, so I could be wrong.

  • W.J. Keller

    Bill-Gates was in Padova (Italy) during ICCF-19 last year to discuss LENR in private and was seen on a photo next to Lagatta, who now turns out to run a new venture of IH = Rossi. See http://www.anordestdiche.com/bill-gates-a-padova-ma-con-una-foto-di-frascati-sul-dono-dellubiquita/

  • Warthog

    IRA’s can be stock in the employers company, and often is. Financial advisors advise IRA holders to diversify, and put at least “some” of the IRA into other stocks/investments.

    But I suspect you have something else in mind and I am not fully understanding it.

    “If” the “original” Social Security system supposed “reserve” had been invested in the private sector when it was first promulgated, I “think” it would have been what you are thinking of.

  • radvar

    What is the responsibility of any human being to any other human being? Seems like the Church ought to better answers than I can provide.

    How do we know people would accept it?
    “People don’t know what they want until you show it to them”…Steve Jobs. Or, do we need to know in advance before we try? Like, Rossi and LENR? Maybe he shouldn’t have tried, because he didn’t know if it would work or be accepted.

    The wealthy are working pretty hard…at making up for the failings of the current system. I don’t see them doing anything about attempting to re-design the current system.

    I applaud your charitable work.

    What do I do about it? Stuff I won’t talk about here. But the question is another rhetorical distraction. If did nothing, would that excuse the rich from not trying harder?

    • Warthog

      “What do I do about it? Stuff I won’t talk about here. But the question
      is another rhetorical distraction. If did nothing, would that excuse
      the rich from not doing more?”

      IOW, like GeorgeHants and most of the rest of your ilk, you really have no ideas, your only action is to gripe. And when put to the point, you duck.

      “If” a different system comes about, it won’t come from the intellectual output of any homogenous group, whether that be a group of “the rich” or Communists, or any other, it will arise naturally from human interactions, just as capitalism did.

  • R V

    Brilliant Light Power is a good candidate.

    http://brilliantlightpower.com/plasma-video/

  • R V

    Brilliant Light Power is a good candidate.

    http://brilliantlightpower.com/plasma-video/