Rossi Wants E-Cat X Installed in Customer Factory by April (Updates with Q&A)

As we wait for the results of the 1MW plant test to be reported, Andrea Rossi is apparently working hard on the E-Cat X, and today announced a very ambitious and near-term goal. Here’s a Q&A from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today:

Renee
March 14, 2016 at 10:25 PM
Dr Andrea Rossi:
When do you hope to have the new E-Cat quarkX in operation for a customer ?
Cheers,
Renee

Andrea Rossi
March 14, 2016 at 10:57 PM
Renee:
We are working very hard on the prototypes and I really hope to put in operation the first series of E-Cat quarkX in the factory of a Customer by April. We are working very hard on it in the laboratory of Leonardo Corporation. Today we mae another step forward.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Just to recap: the E-Cat quarkX refers to the small (100 W) E-Cat X reactors which Rossi says can be combined together to make E-Cat plants of any size. So when he says “series of E-Cat quarkX” he means a reactor or plant made up of these small modules.

So it sounds like Rossi is not wasting time waiting for the ERV report to be published before he embarks on a new commercial enterprise. I hope it will not require another year or more waiting to find out how this new version of the E-Cat performs.

UPDATE (March 15, 2016)

I followed up with some questions and AR provided answers:

Frank Acland
March 15, 2016 at 1:12 PM
Dear Andrea,

Regarding your plans for putting an E-Cat X Quark system at a customer site by April:

1. Do you have a customer who has agreed to use it? AR: Yes
2. Do you have a system already built that could be provided? AR: it is in preparation
3. Will this system require a year-long trial period like with the 1MW plant? AR: no
4. If 3. is no, how long of a trial period would be needed? AR: within 2016
5. Would it be possible for selected visitors to see the E-Cat X Quark working in the next few months? AR: yes

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    I would want a lengthy test for a pocket quark.

    • Cold pockets are always a matter of concern, and a cold fusion pocket warmer would be very welcome, but I think I’d prefer to see a CF car tested.

    • Omega Z

      WHAT? are you afraid of a few 3rd degree burns.
      Just can’t make some people happy.
      Owww, it burned a hole through my leg. Shhh.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    I would want a lengthy test for a pocket quark.

    • Cold pockets are always a matter of concern, and a cold fusion pocket warmer would be very welcome, but I think I’d prefer to see a CF car tested.

    • clovis ray

      hi guy,
      i was just thinking about the data to be released, other than energy in and out, and a constant temp, what other measurements would be gathered, it just seems to me this couldn’t be such a big job this day and times.

    • Omega Z

      WHAT? are you afraid of a few 3rd degree burns.
      Just can’t make some people happy.
      Owww, it burned a hole through my leg. Shhh.

  • Axil Axil

    Will it produce heat, electricity or both?

    • LarryJ

      My bet is on both. He has said that it is possible but inefficient to produce just electricity and I assume he would want to demonstrate the greatest efficiency or cop.

      His dream scenario had it producing light as well so maybe he will try and demonstrate that side of it as well.

      • EEStorFanFibb

        he said less efficient not inefficient (to produce only electricity)

  • Axil Axil

    Will it produce heat, electricity or both?

    • LarryJ

      My bet is on both. He has said that it is possible but inefficient to produce just electricity and I assume he would want to demonstrate the greatest efficiency or cop.

      His dream scenario had it producing light too so maybe he will try and demonstrate that side of it as well.

      • he said less efficient not inefficient (to produce only electricity)

  • bachcole

    I will be waiting for the test results of the 1MW plant test before I get excited about something else.

    • Brokeeper

      Oh? You ARE getting old then. 😉

  • Antimondialiste

    oohhhh, very interesting. should i buy solar panels now or wait a little before world economic collapse ?
    i think i will buy 2-3kw of folding solar panal just in case ecat can’t arrive on massively on market before collapsing et third world war.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Very good news. R&D usually proceeds in a cycle where phases of stagnation alternate with phases of rapid progress. Rossi has had his stagnations since 2011, but now it seems that very good products are already waiting at the end of the present rapid progress phase. Or at least Rossi is not aware of any missing pieces at the moment.

    It seems the enabling breakthrough was direct electricity production (Christmas 2015). Until that was achieved, Rossi’s work was more about finding good tradeoffs than about plain straightforward progress. If the device can produce electricity directly in small scale, many commercially cumbersome things like costs of turbines, gas-cat, etc. are not needed any more. In a sense, before Christmas 2015 he was lacking a plan-A and hence was forced to work with a number of plan-B’s, each with their pros and cons. The amount of work that Rossi has done since 2011 is very large. He’s telling everybody that he’s working a lot, and he really does. Most of the work was invisible and was scrapped later. But it is the nature of R&D, always.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Very good news. R&D usually proceeds in a cycle where phases of stagnation alternate with phases of rapid progress. Rossi has had his stagnations since 2011, but now it seems that very good products are already waiting at the end of the present rapid progress phase. Or at least Rossi is not aware of any missing pieces at the moment.

    It seems the enabling breakthrough was direct electricity production (Christmas 2015). Until that was achieved, Rossi’s work was more about finding good tradeoffs than about plain straightforward progress. If the device can produce electricity directly in small scale, many commercially cumbersome things like costs of turbines, gas-cat, etc. are not needed any more. In a sense, before Christmas 2015 he was lacking a plan-A and hence was forced to work with a number of plan-B’s, each with their pros and cons. The amount of work that Rossi has done since 2011 is very large. He’s telling everybody that he’s working a lot, and he really does. Most of the work was invisible and was scrapped later. But it is the nature of R&D, always.

  • Mats002

    I for one don’t need another round of ‘Rossi says’ with secret installations. AR promised Frank Acland more than a year ago to visit the 1 MW plant. Time to deliver on promises.

    Rossi/IH have nothing to loose to show it because:

    a) MSM will not cover it, so the secret can still be kept in a smaller ‘believer’ curcuit
    b) The secret ingredients are safe inside the cores, as is the secret control signals

    • bachcole

      I am not sure about the details, but I am ready for another solid rock to step on before I move forward in this creek of uncertainty.

    • LarryJ

      I have been following closely for years and I don’t recall that promise. I do recall Rossi saying that visits to the customer’s site would be up to the customer.

      Maybe Frank Ackland could comment.

      • Mats002

        Andre Blum

        February 21st, 2013 at 5:54 AM

        Dear Andrea Rossi

        May I recommend putting Frank Acland of E-CatWorld on the invitation list for visiting the first non-military 1 MW plant? As a daily reader of his site, I for one will be happy to contribute to his expenses.
        Best regards,
        Andre Blum

        ————–

        Andrea Rossi

        February 21st, 2013 at 9:06 AM

        Dear Andre Blum:

        The visits will need the permission of the owner of the plant. When visits will be allowable, we will check all the requests.
        Warm Regards,
        A.R.

        ——-

        Larry, note the dates. You can’t hide behind the secret customers for ever, at least not if you want to be believed.

        • LarryJ

          “AR promised Frank Acland more than a year ago to visit the 1 MW plant.”

          I do recall Andre Blum’s comment but it is a bit of a stretch to say that Rossi promised Frank a visit. He said that when visits are allowed by the customer they will check all the requests.

          In any event Rossi has said it is not up to him so how could he even make such a promise. I doubt the customer would allow visits before the ERV’s report is out. One of the purposes of the report is to verify that IH met the terms of the contract with the customer. Nothing is official until then.

          • Mats002

            If Rossi or IH wanted to show their product they could do so on their own premises without asking secret customers. The money needed for a copy-plant is home since long.

            AR/IH choosed not to.

          • LarryJ

            Another demo would serve no purpose except to allow us believers to say “I told you so” and it might possibly create unwanted publicity. Nobody will believe any of it until there are products in the market. The implications are simply too unbelievable.

            Rossi wants a massive production, presumably to flood the market. Now that would be very convincing but preparing to do it will take some time so until then it would not be surprising if they tried to stay under the radar.

          • Mats002

            I go back to sleep then, goodnight!

          • Warthog

            Nothing was said about a “demo”. This will be another “pilot plant” whose (main) purpose is to gain real-world operating data.

    • I wonder what Leonardo or IH would have to gain by revealing the location of the pilot plant to people not directly involved, even on a limited basis? It would involve risk, which doesn’t seem to be balanced by any visible gain, and so seems unlikely to take place. We need to remember that this is a private commercial venture in which a lot of money has already been invested, and will be managed on that basis.

      With that said, a couple of months ago I expressed my fear that the pilot plant story might fade away without any news of substance, to be replaced by a year of deja vu which would probably see the majority of ‘followers’ falling away. We’re some way from that, but I think the days of AR keeping the peanut gallery informed may well be over, and we will only learn anything of substance at the same time as the rest of the world – i.e., if and when Leornardo decide to formally enter the marketplace.

      • Mats002

        We should be VERY greatful to MFMP and all DIY replicators – that is the ONLY way to truth.
        Forget Rossi/IH.

        • I’ve suggested for some time that replication with fully disclosed detail is probably the only way the CF revolution can happen. Its only by allowing thousands of scientific and engineering minds to fully engage with development, with the spur of competition to propel the process, that the forces that will inevitably oppose CF or seek to control it will be overwhelmed. Roll on the day.

          • Mats002

            Agaricus, agree completely.

          • clovis ray

            HI, GUYS.
            or we could just wait a few months, until the quark comes out and we will have something reliable and safe, and very convenient, for less money.

          • Warthog

            “…that replication with fully disclosed detail…” is exactly what science publication is intended to promote. It is why science journals exist in the first place.

          • The peer review process would probably hamper publication and would certainly delay it by many months, even assuming that some brave editor took the paper on. In any case most journals not only charge for access but only reach a small specialised audience. In short, they are irrelevant in this context.

            All that is needed is a clear set of instructions published online that can be verified by anyone with appropriate skills and access to the necessary instruments and materials.

          • Warthog

            All true. I was simply referring to the ultimate original purpose of science publication…to foster replication. Obviously, that process no longer works properly and has been politicized. A sad day for “real science”.

          • LilyLover

            The irony!!

        • Warthog

          No, it isn’t. “Good science” (which is still most science) has worked quite well for centuries. “Cold Fusion” is a huge outlier of “not-good/political science”. And your “the only way to truth” was simply impossible prior to the “coming of age” of the Internet. I do think that science as a whole will move in the direction you propose as more and more specialized science journals move online.

      • georgehants

        Morning Peter, my hopes are moving more in the direction of China, Russia, North Korea etc.
        Where Cold Fusion comes from I do not give a damn, just bring it on.
        I want Mr. Rossi to be fully recognised for his superhuman scientific achievements (if genuine) but have no interest in IH etc. unless they start getting the Cold Fusion ball rolling.

        • Morning George. Absolutely agree. So long as CF development remains behind closed doors with unknown machinations taking place and the core knowledge hidden, I will continue to fret mightily.

          • georgehants

            Peter, with the very slight chance of repeating myself, we see every day the horror and results of our capitalist dictated society.
            That is what our generation has bequeathed on the World.
            I feel very sad and embarrassed in what we have allowed to happen.

          • We seem to have allowed the psychopaths amongst us to take over with their geopolitical madness, while a large part of the population are conditioned by mass media lies to a false reality, and dumbed down to the point of apathetic idleness and acceptance. This isn’t even faintly sustainable, but it’s increasingly hard to see a way out.

            One or two targets at a time I guess. Mine are nuclear fission and aerial ‘geoengineering’ – as you may already have worked out! Cold fusion would ‘fix’ both very quickly.

          • georgehants

            All agreed, to distressing sometimes, we are off for a Weatherspoons breakfast and a glass of Red.
            Viva Cold Fusion.
            Best

          • ilk

            Agaricus, about aerial geoengineering: Are you assuming that the purpose of the spraying is only to delay warming (or bring on cooling) or might there be other agendas like more local weather modification (connected to ionosphere heating) or even causing disease / mental / psychological effects with aluminum, barium, etc?
            It would take more than cold fusion to fix these.

          • LilyLover

            Purpose seems to be sedating revolutions, countering Russian scalar weapons by ionizing atmosphere to keep it strike-ready by the Aurora antennae and spreading nanobots that behave per the cellular signals transmitted as deemed necessary.

          • ilk

            So many possibilities. I am rather new to this particular rabbit hole and it’s a very scary place.

          • Short answer: I don’t know. It’s an easily observable phenomenon in most parts of the world and the amount of substantiating material online is vast, but there seems to be very little ‘insider’ information that is reliable.

            As you suggest, weather modification in concert with the ionospheric heaters located in many countries seems to be the primary objective, but other agendas such as testing of weaponised biological agents and dispersal of ionised materials for communications related purposes seem to have been bolted onto the project.

            http://www.itwillpass.com/nwo_weather_altering.shtml
            (Old article but contains interesting information)

            http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/toxic-spraying-and-radio-frequency-bombardment-a-lethal-mix/

            One thing is fairly certain – it is not to screen solar radiation and cool the planet. The effect is actually the opposite: clouds, whether natural or artificial, retain heat and exacerbate warming. This may possibly be seen as a useful side effect by the perpetrators as it supports the AGW myth.

            As you say, CF won’t directly fix the problem, but it will derail the current movement towards admitting that fly ash, aluminium oxide nanodust etc. are being dumped into the atmosphere but claiming that it is to protect against ‘global warming’ – as ‘leaked’ by Edward Snowdon. More people will continue to become aware, and without that excuse, the dam of denial will have to break at some point.

          • ilk

            Thanks for the interesting links. This is a difficult subject. So much confusion.

      • Warthog

        IH/Rossi can reveal anything they want in quite reasonable safety, as long as the “revealees” sign a non-disclosure agreement. There might be some leakage/violations, but any such will quickly be naysayed by skeptics as “not verified”.

        • If no-one can report back, what would be the point?

          • Warthog

            A non-diclosure agreement can include things like “you can talk about it after (date)”, or “on release by us”. It is an excellent way to build up a collection of credible witnesses to use in a PR “surge release” (my term…don’t know what the PR guys call it). I suspect a lot of journalists have already seen things, and are waiting for the legal signal that they can publish.

    • LilyLover

      You are basing that on assuming that IH has not gone over to that dark side.
      Remember IH is not even 2% of the parent company. The success of the other 98% is in the hands of the Masters of the Universe of Finance.
      Hence, Not getting covered y MSM is a benefit to them.

  • jimbo92107

    Does anybody know the form factor of the ecat quarkx? Pack of cards? A brick? Loaf of bread? A shoe box? Microwave oven?

    • LarryJ

      The only description I seem to recall was a 20kw module the size of a pack of 20 cigarettes.

      • … with a 70 kilo cooling system attached!

        • DrD

          Ha, almost commented similar. The thought of 200 little quarks in a cigarette packet? Then add their heat exchangers? The mind boggles.

          • LarryJ

            What heat exchangers? Just electricity, a car heater and a light pipe to headlights, tail lights and dashboard.

          • DrD

            True, I missed that option.
            I know he said 100% electric was possible but can he really do it with no heat at all? I wonder.
            Bear in mind also that he said output is much less with 100% electric, how much less 50W? 10W?.
            The mind still boggles.

          • LarryJ

            My guess is that there has to be heat to make it happen but perhaps he means that there is no excess heat. In other words a cop<1 for the heat production.

          • GordonDocherty

            100W electricity only, 500W electricity + heat are the figures currently being mentioned…

          • DrD

            where’s that from?

          • GordonDocherty

            Seems like the post that said this elsewhere has now been modified to mention 100W output only. I’ll keep looking, though.

          • GordonDocherty

            Having looked further, I can’t find the source of the information, so I would recommend now ignoring – it was several months ago, so was early information in any case, and has likely since been superceded as the e-Cat quarkX has been developed…

        • artefact

          I hope for a high ratio between electricity and heat.

      • BillH

        I think you confused two different statement, for the E-Cat X it was a 100W
        module the size of a pack of cigarettes.

        • DrD

          But the first mention of a 20 pack of cigarettes whas regarding the 20kw (pre quark days).

          • artefact

            Yes. He just said that the quark are smaller (in size and output)

        • blanco69

          Every silver lining has a cloud with this! The new cigarette pack power pack jet machine that is the EcatX is going to be locked up in the corner of some unkown factory for another year while irrefutable evidence is gathered as to whether is works or not. Guys, there are ways of determining F9 without retreating to a secret bunker for a year while you run the numbers on your utility bills. Come on! If there truly is a race to production then this is not how it works.

          • Ophelia Rump

            Would you prefer to wait six months and watch to see if jet packs are falling from the sky?

          • Stephen Taylor

            Unfortunately, your observation makes sense. The advantages of the one year test are real world development experience and being paid to test the product. If one has a working cold fusion reactor there are more efficient ways to test it and more effective ways to get paid to develop it. This is worrying.

          • Multiple pathways would seem to be the obvious choice. Build, install and run half a dozen pilot plants for a couple of months, rather than one for a year.

          • artefact

            On JONP:

            “Tom Conover March 15, 2016 at 10:29 AM
            Dear Andrea,
            Any Quarks produced by the robots yet? (10, 100, 1000?)
            Respectfully yours, Tom

            Andrea Rossi March 15, 2016 at 12:25 PM
            Tom Conover:
            No, we are not ready. I hope we’ll start the industrial production in 2016.
            Warm Regards, A.R.”

          • Axil Axil

            In order to form a 1 MW reactor out of 100 watt quark wafers, someone will needs to whip up 10,000 quark wafers by hand, That manual quark wafer manufacturing job is a big job for any human to take on.

            Could the imperatives of reality once again make Rossi’s predictions faulty.

          • Bob Tivnan

            I wonder if AR is designing these quarks to be daisy-chained together so customers can tailor the modules according to their energy needs. They could sell the wafer modules in stacks of 100 or whatever. If this is the plan, it would need integrated heat exchangers. Unless of course the E-catX are very efficient at generating electricity, which would be an amazing engineering feat on its own.

          • US_Citizen71

            I think it all depends on how big the Ecat X prototype is in power. He hasn’t mentioned what the output is and no one has asked. It could be 10kW.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            The smaller quark would have a larger surface to volume ratio than the larger E-Cat making it easier to exchange heat (maybe easier to control).
            http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/esp/2001_gbio/folder_structure/ce/m2/s1/assets/images/cem2s1_1.jpg

          • Bob Greenyer

            More easy to get photons out of for a range of applications more like!

          • Omega Z

            Why did Rossi’s team need to create a new ceramic for high temperatures when they already exist???

            Quark’s being very small could be brought to full power far faster then the previous Hot-cats. Instead of hours, it may only take minutes. However, there’s the issue of thermal shock when heating them up very fast and they may explode.

            A new ceramic formula quark reactor that is far more thermal shock resistant at a fraction of the size (Less mass less expansion) may make it possible to reach full power in minutes. There’s many implications here..

            Do you really want a 30KW E-cat car running 24/7. You could never enter a parking garage to access your cars. everything would be melted down. But if it’s powered by a 100W reactor in standby and the entire system ramps up in minutes, you’re good to go. Apply that to home systems. Scaleable energy on demand.

          • LarryJ

            Why by hand? I think that’s where the robots are supposed to come in.

            Reality might make his predictions faulty but automation is a powerful tool that shouldn’t be underestimated.

          • Gerard McEk

            Just some thoughts.
            This quark version plant is 250 kW so it must have about 2500 quarks. Quarks are microprocessor (uP) controlled. I assume not every quark would have its own uP. All together it will be a rather complex thing, this in combination with static fields may not lead to the most reliable design.
            I do believe that choosing for the small quarks is because of power controllability, so you can change the power depending on the required heat demand.
            I worries me that AR now works so intensely on this and with an extreme deadline. Can it be that the 1 MW plant did not cope with the requirements and that this quark will be the answer?

          • Rene

            I have always suspected that control issues has been the bane or complexity of the e-cat system. Rossi wasn’t a passive observer in that !MW container plant. He nursed that baby along. I believe he was part of the control system, and that makes for a pricey controller. So yes, maybe with smaller thermal mass per unit, it is possible to have pure automation keep an e-cat Q in its sweet spot. It would be a good question to ask him in JONP.
            Glad that he’s found a better way to do things but that has moved the goal posts out almost another year. Again, I hope that ERV gets published soonest.

          • Teemu Soilamo

            That press conference in June… isn’t that when Mats Lewan’s Symposium is supposed to take place?

          • DrD

            yes and also in Sweden

          • wpj

            Yes, and the meeting is only going ahead if the results of the 1 year test are positive……………..

          • Teemu Soilamo

            Rossi, short of confirming that they are in fact the same thing, said on the JoNP that his press conference is somehow connected to the lenr symposium. But if the symposium is contingent on the report, does that mean Rossi’s speech is, too?

          • timycelyn

            Mmmm – careful with that one. Plants only lock up carbon if the plant’s eventual fate is to become part of a coal measure, peat, or the like.

            A lot of vegetation at the end of life releases it’s carbon either as CO2 (through combustion) or as methane though cows farting or other processes of rotting. Remember methane has 4x the GWP of CO2, as well).

            Fossil carbon is only really safely ‘locked away’ again if it is re-fossilised. This can be either by processes ongoing today in parts of the world where modest coal measures are being laid down (swamps etc, I guess), or oil (bottom of our oceans?), or -when we have abundant energy from the E-Cat – by using some of that to capture CO2 and use cute – but normally energetically unfavourable – processes for locking it up in a harmless, solid, stable form.

          • wpj

            I thought that these were the 1Kw versions (rather than the 100w Quark- think that there is a bit of miscommunication above), which were the ones that were supposed to give 20Kw in a cigarette package size. I questioned, in an earlier thread about this plant, the control systems that would be required even for this.

            Still, someone is going to have to be trained up to spend 18h a day in a container (smaller one at that !)

          • EmTee

            May be real mass production of very small units can make a big difference. And even if a certain amount fails, the system would be still producing, less than 100% but better than having one device where the probability of having 0 W output would be much bigger, so you would need an additional backup for the device.

            Additionally:
            Please use kW if you mean kW 🙂 (not Kw.)

          • DrD

            The initial 20kW cigarette box was a pre quark Q&A. He subsequently stated that his new approach is that everything will be made up from 100W Quarks.

          • Karl Venter

            Hi Gerhard

            I missed the part about the size of the ecatx – are you sure of the size and is it electrical only?

          • Gerard McEk

            E-cat X has a sizes of a package of sigarettes and a total power of 20 kW,as AR revealed in the past. The Quark is based on the E-cat X but with a power of 100 W. Either of these can deliver heat, electricity and light, but we do not know to which percentages to eachother.

          • DrD

            Indeed, he did say that.
            What’s more, similar equipment for assembling silicon chips from wafers already exists and is in very widespread use as I’m sure most of us know. Adpting it to assemble quarks might be a challenge.
            They don’t look like robots of course.

          • timycelyn

            Err ….. All depends where you live, and in particular, how high above the present sea level! If we were to go all nice and greenhouse-ey that would melt virtually all of the polar ice.

            So if you live below 300 ft above sea level you would have a different take on things, or need some really good waterproofing on your house.

            Even the current most optimistic UN trajectory risks inundating Pacific Islands, Bangladesh, New York, etc.

            So – nope.

            Having said that, it’s even more complicated. We should be going into an ice age round about now, but the enhanced CO2 levels are inhibiting this natural trend. This is a GOOD thing (from our viewpoint, at least!)

            It seems to me that what we have to strive for is not the simplistic “All extra manmade CO2 is bad” which your average nutty green will spout. Rather, a deeper understanding of our planet’s macro climate trends so that we can work out how the atmospheric level of CO2 must be managed against a slowly changing solar environment to keep our world at just the temperatures we all like, with the sea levels we all want….

            Modelling keeps moving along, and I would guess within ten years they will be able to do this with a pretty high degree of certainty. On the same timescale E-cat and related technology will be maturing and ready to take its place as a tool for helping in the management of that CO2 level.

            Cheers

            Tim

          • timycelyn

            A wafer can be a very printable shape……

          • DrD

            The facility here is relatively small in global terms but we output about 20K Semiconductor Wafers/month. Now I can imagine from what Dr R said, that his fuel wafers would invlove only about half a dozen of the 100 plus steps that a typical silicon wafer goes through and those wouldn’t require the more complex operations so I estimate that would be easily more than 20k per week. I suspect that most of the auto equipment would be similar so already exists requiring not a lot of modification.
            But what is the size and shape of a quark — we don’t know but from what weve gleaned, it sounds like it will be really tiny, about the size of a cigarette? (or smaller?). that implies to me that each quark will not use a full wafer, they might be sawn up in to 100’s or 1000’s, just like we do with semiconductors.
            Of course, I could be completely wrong but it’s interesting to speculate so roll on June.

          • Omega Z

            I believe Rossi intends to use the E-cat X and not the Quark and the plant will be 250KW.
            E-cat X is 1KW about the size of a cigarette and will require 250 of them.

          • LarryJ

            100 imaginary dollars. That’s pretty lame. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

            Even though there is no hard evidence yet beyond a couple of scientifically verified tests you should be able to judge the man by now if you have any feeling for people. Ask yourself, are his the actions of a master manipulator or those of a man struggling to bring a miracle to fruition. If he is a fake then what are his motives. Attention, false glory. What about all the courageous people of high repute who have met him and are willing to stand up and say he is bonafide.

            Maybe it’s time to screw up your courage and take a tentative step off the fence. Go with what you know in your gut. Is it so terrible to risk being wrong when the odds seem to indicate that you are right. Miracles happen every day.

          • LilyLover

            I use Lego blocks and watch He-Man and Doctor Who. Sprouting with Easy Green keeps my in-house farming on track and I can literally watch the grass grow!

        • Lenuco LLC. seems to be one of the other LENR companies in which Industrial Heat invested!

          Some of George Miley’s Lenuco patents were transfered to Industrial Heat:

          https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2886-Miley-s-patents-and-a-heating-coil-patent-assigned-to-Industrial-Heat-Holding/

          • Frank Acland

            This company that Lenuco assigned the patent to is called IHL Holdings registered in Jersey: https://www.jerseyfsc.org/registry/documentSearch/NameDetail.aspx?Id=308139

            Seems to be different from the IH International Holdings Limited company registered in the UK: http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IHinternationalapplication-pdf.pdf

            It could be another Industrial Heat Spinoff — I haven’t paid to see the founding documents.

          • Alan Smith and LENR Calender pointed out that there are some connections to Industrial Heat in Raleigh:

            https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2886-Miley-s-patents-and-a-heating-coil-patent-assigned-to-Industrial-Heat-Holding/?postID=15275#post15275

          • IH (and its spin-offs) seem to have fingers in a number of pies,just as Tom Darden has said. I wonder who else has taken their shilling…?

          • LilyLover

            When the establishment realized that they could not backstab Rossi, even using good boy Tom, especially after E-Cat X, they are now trying to buy all the LENR related IP so that hopefully some patent somewhere, vaguely overlaps with E-Cat X core claims so that they may try to use “connections” and political power to marginalize Rossi and Leonardo Corp.

            There is no good way to play dirty. Thence the patent-buy-up spree. Not saying Tom is corrupt, but he might want to protect his family from the “Masters of the Universe”.

            As it stands, the golden goose Hot Cat that IH owns IP of has become proving grounds for Rossi’s credibility. In the process of trying to “use” Rossi, Rossi has “used” IH resources to become unkillable leader that could bring the E-Cat X to the masses, despite Darden.

          • LarryJ

            Rossi has stated several times that IH is a licensee of Leonardo and that Leonardo holds the IP for the ecat. IH holds a very large territory and may dwarf Leonardo in terms of manufacturing and sales but Leonardo will get a piece of every sale. Leonardo would not be where it is without IH’s investment so the deal is fair to both parties.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Better wishful thinking than fistful sinking.

    • Ged

      A cat, obviously.

    • Gerard McEk

      1/200th of a package of sigarettes, about a match size, I would say. Obviously the form factor of a quark (100W) will be less good than of an E-cat X (20 kW).

      • jimbo92107

        So, literally we’re talking:

        (+)======100W DC======(-)

        That’s the form factor of a Rossi Quark?

        A 100W DC matchstick that runs for a year. Me likee!

    • The E-Cat X can, if desired, produce only electricity and no heat but in this case the efficiency is lower based on http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=940&cpage=1#comment-1155042 and http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892&cpage=67#comment-1155501 The E-Cat QuarkX prototype is very tiny and fundamental, with a power of 100 W assemblable up to any power: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892&cpage=66#comment-1155271 and can be smaller: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892&cpage=67#comment-1155342 , even 20 kW can be like a 20 cigarette packet, while the weight could be 300-400 grams: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892&cpage=45#comment-1146542

    • jimbo92107

      Tracked down this exchange:

      Hergen
      January 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM
      Dear Mr Rossi, what would be the weight and the volume (perhaps liters) of a 20 kw e-cat x reactor?
      Thank you.

      Andrea Rossi
      January 13, 2016 at 5:15 PM
      Hergen: Ballpark numbers: like a 20 cigarette packet, while the weight could be 300-400 grams, plus the apparatus to use the energy, that is different depending on the use, the fluid, etc.
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

      We still don’t know how long this power source would last, but 20KW from a pack of cigarettes is Star Trek stuff. Assuming you can turn it ON and OFF, this would keep your car running for quite a while. Or your house, car, airplane, etc.

      One energy industry that would not be destroyed by Quarks would be the battery industry. Batteries and capacitors would still be part of cheap and efficient LENR systems.

    • Omega Z
  • jimbo92107

    Does anybody know the form factor of the ecat quarkx? Pack of cards? A brick? Loaf of bread? A shoe box? Microwave oven?

    • LarryJ

      The only description I seem to recall was a 20kw module the size of a pack of 20 cigarettes.

      • … with a 70 kilo cooling system attached!

        • DrD

          Ha, almost commented similar. The thought of 200 little quarks in a cigarette packet? Then add their heat exchangers? The mind boggles.

          • LarryJ

            What heat exchangers? Just electricity, a car heater and a light pipe to headlights, tail lights and dashboard.

          • DrD

            True, that’s an option.
            I know he said 100% electric was possible but can he really do it with no heat at all? I wonder.
            Bear in mind also that he said output is much less with 100% electric, how much less 50W? 10W?.
            The mind still boggles.

          • LarryJ

            My guess is that there has to be heat to make it happen but perhaps he means that there is no excess heat. In other words a cop<1 for the heat production.

          • GordonDocherty

            100W electricity only, 500W electricity + heat are the figures currently being mentioned…

          • DrD

            where’s that from?

          • GordonDocherty

            Seems like the post that said this elsewhere has now been modified to mention 100W output only. I’ll keep looking, though.

          • GordonDocherty

            Having looked further, I can’t find the source of the information, so I would recommend now ignoring – it was several months ago, so was early information in any case, and has likely since been superceded as the e-Cat quarkX has been developed…

        • artefact

          I hope for a high ratio between electricity and heat.

      • BillH

        I think you confused two different statement, for the E-Cat X it was a 100W
        module the size of a pack of cigarettes.

        • DrD

          But the first mention of a 20 pack of cigarettes was regarding the 20kw (pre quark days).

          • artefact

            Yes. He just said that the quark are smaller (in size and output)

    • Ged

      A cat, obviously.

    • Gerard McEk

      1/200th of a package of sigarettes, about a match size, I would say. Obviously the form factor of a quark (100W) will be less good than of an E-cat X (20 kW).

      • jimbo92107

        So, literally we’re talking:

        (+)======100W DC======(-)

        That’s the form factor of a Rossi Quark?

        A 100W DC matchstick that runs for a year. Me likee!

    • The E-Cat X can, if desired, produce only electricity and no heat but in this case the efficiency is lower based on http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=940&cpage=1#comment-1155042 and http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892&cpage=67#comment-1155501 The E-Cat QuarkX prototype is very tiny and fundamental, with a power of 100 W assemblable up to any power: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892&cpage=66#comment-1155271 and can be smaller: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892&cpage=67#comment-1155342 , even 20 kW can be like a 20 cigarette packet, while the weight could be 300-400 grams: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892&cpage=45#comment-1146542

    • jimbo92107

      Tracked down this exchange:

      Hergen
      January 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM
      Dear Mr Rossi, what would be the weight and the volume (perhaps liters) of a 20 kw e-cat x reactor?
      Thank you.

      Andrea Rossi
      January 13, 2016 at 5:15 PM
      Hergen: Ballpark numbers: like a 20 cigarette packet, while the weight could be 300-400 grams, plus the apparatus to use the energy, that is different depending on the use, the fluid, etc.
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

      We still don’t know how long this power source would last, but 20KW from a pack of cigarettes is Star Trek stuff. Assuming you can turn it ON and OFF, this would keep your car running for quite a while. Or your house, car, airplane, etc.

      One energy industry that would not be destroyed by Quarks would be the battery industry. Batteries and capacitors would still be part of cheap and efficient LENR systems.

    • Omega Z
  • Brokeeper

    Oh? You are getting old then. 😉

  • Rene

    Nice to see the beat go on and on with e-cat XYZZY. But, it is time to see results F9 on the 1MW 350+ day test. I finally ran out of breath-holding capacity as have many others.

    • Ged

      We survived waiting for Lugano, we can survive waiting for this. But, if you find out who the EVR is, do ask them to hurry up!

  • Rene

    Nice to see the beat go on and on with e-cat XYZZY. But, it is time to see results F9 on the 1MW 350+ day test. I finally ran out of breath-holding capacity as have many others.

    • Ged

      We survived waiting for Lugano, we can survive waiting for this. But, if you find out who the EVR is, do ask them to hurry up!

  • pg

    -2!?

    • Ged

      -googalplex, obviously! Supervillains are lining up hand over fist to throw money at Rossi and IH to get one of these energy sucking doomsday weapons

      • Brokeeper

        (money sucking)

        • Ged

          With all these central bank negative rates, the money flow polarity could be reversed!

          • I’ll watch my bank account and pray for a reversal of flow!

  • pg

    -2!?

    • Ged

      -googalplex, obviously! Supervillains are lining up hand over fist to throw money at Rossi and IH to get one of these energy sucking doomsday weapons

      • Brokeeper

        (money sucking)

        • Ged

          With all these central bank negative rates, the money flow polarity could be reversed!

          • I’ll watch my bank account and pray for a reversal of flow!

  • BillH

    A few things are clear from this, AR is no longer working on anything related to the 1MW plant, because his focus is now on an E-Cat X which he is working on at Leonardo Corp, wherever that is situated.

    This could mean a few things:-

    1) The 1MW plant is reliable and cost effective and ready to go into full production.
    OR
    2) The 1MW plant has been completely superseded by the E-Cat X and therefore the report is irrelevant and one year of work has been for nothing.
    OR
    3) The 1MW plant was unreliable or uneconomic in some way and IH have decided not to proceed with it, This might mean that IH have cut their losses and parted company with AR.

    OR
    4) AR has been given a little extra time in order to produce a marketable E-Cat X, remember it’s development was done while AR was being paid by IH, so they may feel that it partly belongs to them.

    Considering the amount of money IH has put into this venture and AR’s previous track record with dropping partners, a split at this stage would have to be considered pretty much a disaster.

    • Frank Acland

      AR has said that there are separate teams now working with the 1MW plant and the E-Cat X. Possibly it’s IH now dedicated to the 1MW plant and Leonardo developing the E-Cat X.

    • Brent Buckner

      This isn’t Darden’s first rodeo. I’m sure IH is secure in its rights respective of product (including E-Cat X) and territory (including USA and China).

      With the conclusion of the 1MW test, Rossi may be happier pursuing new products and other territories without IH (and Leonardo may have received a significant payout from IH that gives the resources to fund whatever Rossi has in mind).

    • LuFong

      In my opinion the low-temperature E-Cat technology has been completely transferred to IH. They know everything and now have the ability to further develop, maintain, and if they chose so, to manufacture it. Rossi has said he will no longer comment on the 1MW plant and is working full time in his own laboratory using his own people. This makes the most sense to me.

      • Stephen Taylor

        This can be the logic to explain the one year test. Possibly IH wanted proof of practical long term utility before commitment of further resources. They benefit from a full year of Rossi’s involvement and now take the low temp version to market.

      • Steve Albers

        I would consider it a moral question as to whether we should allow ourselves to dominate Earth’s natural systems.

    • Thomas Kaminski

      One possibility is that a milestone was reached (1MW Plant test done) and IH delivered a bunch of cash to Rossi that he can now use for his own research.

    • Omega Z

      The 1Mw plant isn’t ready. It has issues and engineering changes ahead.
      Rossi has even pointed this out when the test was still in progress.

      Anyway, the core of the technology seems for the most part ready. As Rossi is building a new team for the new E-cat X project, I suspect the team already familiar with the Low temp E-cat will be involved with fixing the issues with it. The market version will likely be slightly larger then a side by side refrigerator rather then a 6 foot by 20 foot shipping container.

      If you really want to understand Rossi business arrangements, research business consortium.

  • BillH

    A few things are clear from this, AR is no longer working on anything related to the 1MW plant, because his focus is now on an E-Cat X which he is working on at Leonardo Corp, wherever that is situated.

    This could mean a few things:-

    1) The 1MW plant is reliable and cost effective and ready to go into full production.
    OR
    2) The 1MW plant has been completely superseded by the E-Cat X and therefore the report is irrelevant and one year of work has been for nothing.
    OR
    3) The 1MW plant was unreliable or uneconomic in some way and IH have decided not to proceed with it, This might mean that IH have cut their losses and parted company with AR.

    OR
    4) AR has been given a little extra time in order to produce a marketable E-Cat X, remember it’s development was done while AR was being paid by IH, so they may feel that it partly belongs to them.

    Considering the amount of money IH has put into this venture and AR’s previous track record with dropping partners, a split at this stage would have to be considered pretty much a disaster.

    • Frank Acland

      AR has said that there are separate teams now working with the 1MW plant and the E-Cat X. Possibly it’s IH now dedicated to the 1MW plant and Leonardo developing the E-Cat X.

      • BillH

        That would be unlikely as some of the E-Cat X development took place while AR was working on-site for IH, they paid his salary and a massive overtime bill presumably. If there are two teams they must both be under the management of IH, unless of course AH has been sacked.

        IH have licenses which control production in two huge markets, they are not going to let AR break away and try to compete in those markets, for example IH would legally contest any attempt by AR to launch an independent
        E-Cat X product into the US or Chinese markets, simple by stating that it was developed while he was employed by them and on their time.

        Brent is correct, IH wont let AR just walk away if the 1MW is still in development, his expertise is an essential part of the project.

        • LarryJ

          As the official licensee of Leonardo, IH will have the rights to manufacture and sell all ecat products in their territory. The more that Rossi comes up with the better for everyone.

          IH and Leonardo are two separate companies and both are free to pursue their goals. Rossi’s salary, support of IH’s first production reactor and his temporary role as Chief Science Officer for IH would all be part of their licensing agreement. Now the reactor is awaiting the final report of the ERV which will determine if the contractual agreements of all parties were met.

          • BillH

            If you review the “1MW plant update thread” you will see that on at least 15 days some problem or other was reported, and the word “repaired” was used 8 times. AR was working on E-Cat X on site while being paid by IH that work will surely belong to them.

            If, as you say AR no longer works for IH then all they have is a license and no product to sell. On the other hand if they have an exclusive license then AR might be locked out of the huge US market for good.

          • Omega Z

            Rossi is in for the royalties.

    • Brent Buckner

      This isn’t Darden’s first rodeo. I’m sure IH is secure in its rights respective of product (including E-Cat X) and territory (including USA and China).

      With the conclusion of the 1MW test, Rossi may be happier pursuing new products and other territories without IH (and Leonardo may have received a significant payout from IH that gives the resources to fund whatever Rossi has in mind).

    • Thomas Kaminski

      One possibility is that a milestone was reached (1MW Plant test done) and IH delivered a bunch of cash to Rossi that he can now use for his own research.

    • Omega Z

      The 1Mw plant isn’t ready. It has issues and engineering changes ahead.
      Rossi has even pointed this out when the test was still in progress.

      Anyway, the core of the technology seems for the most part ready. As Rossi is building a new team for the new E-cat X project, I suspect the team already familiar with the Low temp E-cat will be involved with fixing the issues with it. The market version will likely be slightly larger then a side by side refrigerator rather then a 6 foot by 20 foot shipping container.

      If you really want to understand Rossi business arrangements, research business consortium.

  • blanco69

    Every silver lining has a cloud with this! The new cigarette pack power pack jet machine that is the EcatX is going to be locked up in the corner of some unkown factory for another year while irrefutable evidence is gathered as to whether is works or not. Guys, there are ways of determining F9 without retreating to a secret bunker for a year while you run the numbers on your utility bills. Come on! If there truly is a race to production then this is not how it works.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Would you prefer to wait six months and watch to see if jet packs are falling from the sky?

    • Stephen Taylor

      Unfortunately, your observation makes sense. The advantages of the one year test are real world development experience and being paid to test the product. If one has a working cold fusion reactor there are more efficient ways to test it and more effective ways to get paid to develop it. This is worrying.

      • Multiple pathways would seem to be the obvious choice. Build, install and run half a dozen pilot plants for a couple of months, rather than one for a year.

        If another year of unsubstantiated announcements seems to be the way things are going, I think I’ll get myself a model railway and waste my spare time playing with that, rather than waste it here posting twaddle while waiting for some real news.

        • LilyLover

          I use Lego blocks and watch He-Man and Doctor Who. Sprouting with Easy Green keeps my in-house farming on track and I can literally watch the grass grow!

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Jayjay March 15, 2016 at 3:13 AM
    Dear Andrea,
    When do you think you will make the presentation of the new E-Cat quarkX ?
    Jayjay

    Andrea Rossi March 15, 2016 at 9:33 AM
    I hope by June.
    Warm Regards A.R.”

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Jayjay March 15, 2016 at 3:13 AM
    Dear Andrea,
    When do you think you will make the presentation of the new E-Cat quarkX ?
    Jayjay

    Andrea Rossi March 15, 2016 at 9:33 AM
    I hope by June.
    Warm Regards A.R.”

  • Karl Venter

    Another Year for the Ecat x — Go MFMP!!!!

  • Karl Venter

    Another Year for the Ecat x — Go MFMP!!!!

  • Lenuco LLC. seems to be one of the other LENR companies in which Industrial Heat invested!

    Some of George Miley’s Lenuco patents were transfered to Industrial Heat:

    https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2886-Miley-s-patents-and-a-heating-coil-patent-assigned-to-Industrial-Heat-Holding/

    • Frank Acland

      This company that Lenuco assigned the patent to is called IHL Holdings registered in Jersey: https://www.jerseyfsc.org/registry/documentSearch/NameDetail.aspx?Id=308139

      Seems to be different from the IH International Holdings Limited company registered in the UK: http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IHinternationalapplication-pdf.pdf

      It could be another Industrial Heat Spinoff — I haven’t paid to see the founding documents.

    • IH (and its spin-offs) seem to have fingers in a number of pies, just as Tom Darden has said. I wonder who else has taken their shilling…?

      I sincerely hope that their intention is to support and explore all avenues… rather than to pocket any potential competition.

      • LilyLover

        When the establishment realized that they could not backstab Rossi, even using good boy Tom, especially after E-Cat X, they are now trying to buy all the LENR related IP so that hopefully some patent somewhere, vaguely overlaps with E-Cat X core claims so that they may try to use “connections” and political power to marginalize Rossi and Leonardo Corp.

        There is no good way to play dirty. Thence the patent-buy-up spree. Not saying Tom is corrupt, but he might want to protect his family from the “Masters of the Universe”.

        As it stands, the golden goose Hot Cat that IH owns IP of has become proving grounds for Rossi’s credibility. In the process of trying to “use” Rossi, Rossi has “used” IH resources to become unkillable leader that could bring the E-Cat X to the masses, despite Darden.

        • LarryJ

          Rossi has stated several times that IH is a licensee of Leonardo and that Leonardo holds the IP for the ecat. IH holds a very large territory and may dwarf Leonardo in terms of manufacturing and sales but Leonardo will get a piece of every sale. Leonardo would not be where it is without IH’s investment so the deal is fair to both parties.

  • enantiomer2000

    Right. He will install the E-Cat X at a “customer” facility which will test for the next 20 months. The results of the test may or may not be favorable. The customer may or may not decide to publish the results. Anybody want to make any wagers on whether the 1MW “customer” decides not to publish the report or identify themselves?

    • Ged

      So far, most anyone wagering against Rossi have been mistaken (the SGS safety certificate, the Lugano report, the involvement of IH, etc). So, I wouldn’t worry if I were you.

      • jimbo92107

        Science also tells you when it’s too early to bet. You can bet on dark energy, but you’re going to have to wait a long time to settle the bet. Not so with established things like global warming.

        Easy money: Bet any denier that this year’s aggregate temperatures will set a new record for highs. You will win.

        • Andrew

          True story. met a guy the other day that said coal was actually clean power and that global warming is fake because Greenland is called Greenland because it was green when they found it. Kinda an oxymoron….

          • jimbo92107

            Actually, Vikings named Iceland and Greenland to confuse people into going to Greenland, which is nasty and icy. Iceland is a great place, I’d love to vacation there.

          • 10th century PR spin – plus ce change, etc.

          • Andrew

            I didn’t bother to correct him, he also said several other obtuse things and people that are not willing to check facts themselves are probably not willing to listen to reason.

        • the problem with scientific bet is when the referees are not honest, when the bend the curve like did MIT with their experiment in 89, when they refuse to correct papers errors like for Caltech and MIT papers.

          You don’t bet with the mafia.

          It remind me people playing “bonto”.
          Even if you are very good, they fool you.

          there is no way to win a scientific bet, they control the interpretation of the outcome.

          Only outcome they don’t control is client buying a product and making bucks with it.

    • LarryJ

      Rossi replied today that the ecatx test will not be as long as the 1 year test and he implied that it would be completed this year (2016). Even the 1 year industrial test only took 12 months not 20. Rossi/IH/The Customer cannot talk about anything until they have something concrete to talk about. Today Rossi said he hopes to have a press conference in June. That is not far off. It all takes a little time.

  • enantiomer2000

    Right. He will install the E-Cat X at a “customer” facility which will test for the next 20 months. The results of the test may or may not be favorable. The customer may or may not decide to publish the results. Anybody want to make any wagers on whether the 1MW “customer” decides not to publish the report or identify themselves?

    • Ged

      So far, most anyone wagering against Rossi have been mistaken (the SGS safety certificate, the Lugano report, the involvement of IH, etc). So, I wouldn’t worry if I were you.

    • LarryJ

      Rossi replied today that the ecatx test will not be as long as the 1 year test and he implied that it would be completed this year (2016). Even the 1 year industrial test only took 12 months not 20. Rossi/IH/The Customer cannot talk about anything until they have something concrete to talk about. Today Rossi said he hopes to have a press conference in June. That is not far off. It all takes a little time.

  • Well, Rossi seem happier and more content and optimistic than ever. If I had spent a year in a shipping container for a failed test, I would be despondent. That is soft circumstantial evidence, but it is the only indicator we have right now. The tiny E-Cat X must be a pretty simple design to whip up a reactor that fast. It is just a little bit different than a Tokamak Fusion Reactor. More like making jelly beans.

    • About as complicated as making PP3 layer batteries would be my guess – maybe less so. The trick will be in ‘packaging’ them in a way that allows devices of various sizes to be assembled without compromising control or heat removal.

  • Well, Rossi seem happier and more content and optimistic than ever. If I had spent a year in a shipping container for a failed test, I would be despondent. That is soft circumstantial evidence, but it is the only indicator we have right now. The tiny E-Cat X must be a pretty simple design to whip up a reactor that fast. It is just a little bit different than a Tokamak Fusion Reactor. More like making jelly beans.

    • About as complicated as making PP3 layer batteries would be my guess – maybe less so. The trick will be in ‘packaging’ them in a way that allows devices of various sizes to be assembled without compromising control or heat removal.

    • bachcole

      It is soft evidence that allowed me to see that the E-Cat is real. But I agree that “happier and more content and optimistic than ever” is very soft, but very real nevertheless.

  • LuFong

    The extent and pace of Rossi’s announcements are simply stunning. He must be in a hurry to get things out. Maybe he feels the heat of the competition!

    • Brokeeper

      Also, his highly skilled scientists, engineers and technicians are making a huge difference in expediting devlopement, from what I surmise.

      • LuFong

        Rossi probably can keep a handful busy I suspect given his inventiveness.

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Tom Conover March 15, 2016 at 10:29 AM
    Dear Andrea,
    Any Quarks produced by the robots yet? (10, 100, 1000?)
    Respectfully yours, Tom

    Andrea Rossi March 15, 2016 at 12:25 PM
    Tom Conover:
    No, we are not ready. I hope we’ll start the industrial production in 2016.
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

    • Axil Axil

      In order to form a 1 MW reactor out of 100 watt quark wafers, someone will needs to whip up 10,000 quark wafers by hand, That manual quark wafer manufacturing job is a big job for any human to take on.

      Could the imperatives of reality once again make Rossi’s predictions faulty?

      • Bob Tivnan

        I wonder if AR is designing these quarks to be daisy-chained together so customers can tailor the modules according to their energy needs. They could sell the wafer modules in stacks of 100 or whatever. If this is the plan, it would need integrated heat exchangers, unless of course the quarks are very efficient at generating electricity, which would be an amazing engineering feat on its own.

      • US_Citizen71

        I think it all depends on how big the Ecat X prototype is in power. He hasn’t mentioned what the output is and no one has asked. It could be 10kW.

      • LarryJ

        Why by hand? I think that’s where the robots are supposed to come in.

        Reality might make his predictions faulty but automation is a powerful tool that shouldn’t be underestimated.

        • DrD

          Indeed, he did say that.
          What’s more, similar equipment for assembling silicon chips from wafers already exists and is in very widespread use as I’m sure most of us know. Adpting it to assemble quarks might be a challenge.
          They don’t look like robots of course.

      • timycelyn

        A wafer can be a very printable shape……

      • DrD

        The facility here is relatively small in global terms but we output about 20K Semiconductor Wafers/month. Now I can imagine from what Dr R said, that his fuel wafers would invlove only about half a dozen of the 100 plus steps that a typical silicon wafer goes through and those wouldn’t require the more complex operations so I estimate that would be easily more than 20k per week. I suspect that most of the auto equipment would be similar so already exists requiring not a lot of modification.
        But what is the size and shape of a quark — we don’t know but from what weve gleaned, it sounds like it will be really tiny, about the size of a cigarette? (or smaller?). that implies to me that each quark will not use a full wafer, they might be sawn up in to 100’s or 1000’s, just like we do with semiconductors.
        Of course, I could be completely wrong but it’s interesting to speculate so roll on June.

      • Omega Z

        I believe Rossi intends to use the E-cat X and not the Quark and the plant will be 250KW.
        E-cat X is 1KW about the size of a cigarette and will require 250 of them.

        • bachcole

          And what would be the temperature of an object putting out 1 kW of energy the size of a cigarette?

    • clovis ray

      ‘”WOW, I love it when Dr,R get back to his unfettered work and setting his on time tables
      and as usual he always keeps us informed, thank you sir, and i am very excited about the ecatx, and all the possibility’s it has in store, job well done.
      as a solid base foundation has been laid out, now great things will flow.

  • jimbo92107

    You know how to tell the difference between science and pseudo-science?

    Science wins bets. Who wants to bet $100 bucks that the Big Report comes out negative? Easy money for whoever is right… PayPal for the exchange…

  • jimbo92107

    You know how to tell the difference between science and pseudo-science?

    Science wins bets. Who wants to bet $100 bucks that the Big Report comes out negative? Easy money for whoever is right… PayPal for the exchange…

    • bachcole

      I dispute your view on science. Who wins the bet with dark energy? Yet it is completely accepted by the scientific community. Who wins the bet about intelligent design vs. randomness? Randomness isn’t even a theory; it is only a perspective, an unprovable assumption, yet the scientific community accepts randomness completely.

      • jimbo92107

        Science also tells you when it’s too early to bet. You can bet on dark energy, but you’re going to have to wait a long time to settle the bet. Not so with established things like global warming.

        Easy money: Bet any denier that this year’s aggregate temperatures will set a new record for highs. You will win.

        • Andrew

          True story. met a guy the other day that said coal was actually clean power and that global warming is fake because Greenland is called Greenland because it was green when they found it. Kinda an oxymoron….

          • jimbo92107

            Actually, Vikings named Iceland and Greenland to confuse people into going to Greenland, which is nasty and icy. Iceland is a great place, I’d love to vacation there.

          • 10th century PR spin – plus ce change, etc.

          • Andrew

            I didn’t bother to correct him, he also said several other obtuse things and people that are not willing to check facts themselves are probably not willing to listen to reason.

        • the problem with scientific bet is when the referees are not honest, when the bend the curve like did MIT with their experiment in 89, when they refuse to correct papers errors like for Caltech and MIT papers.

          You don’t bet with the mafia.

          It remind me people playing “bonto”.
          Even if you are very good, they fool you.

          there is no way to win a scientific bet, they control the interpretation of the outcome.

          Only outcome they don’t control is client buying a product and making bucks with it.

      • Christina

        The randomness theory is the stupidest thing I ever heard because if you sit down and think about–with no physics training, I admit–the big bang happens. What happens in the time that spans the first nanosecond and the next 10,000 nanoseconds. Everything has to be perfectly aligned and perfectly sequential in order for the universe to form.
        That it’s random is the answer of a child who believes in magic and not a thinking adult. The prejudice comes from people who’ve been hurt by the parental or grand-parental authority figures in their lives and find it painful to think there’s a God who can screw them over as well.
        But God doesn’t do that. God loves us. Why else would He give lenr and this beautiful solar system to us?

    • bachcole

      I will bet 100 FAKE dollars that the report is positive, from what I have heard. No wishful thinking here. I will bet 100 imaginary dollars that I am very uncertain, and I am more uncertain about the E-Cat X, quarks, and other miracles and wonders.

      • LarryJ

        100 imaginary dollars. That’s pretty lame. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

        Even though there is no hard evidence yet beyond a couple of scientifically verified tests you should be able to judge the man by now if you have any feeling for people. Ask yourself, are his the actions of a master manipulator or those of a man struggling to bring a miracle to fruition. If he is a fake then what are his motives. Attention, false glory. What about all the courageous people of high repute who have met him and are willing to stand up and say he is bonafide.

        Maybe it’s time to screw up your courage and take a tentative step off the fence. Go with what you know in your gut. Is it so terrible to risk being wrong when the odds seem to indicate that you are right. Miracles happen every day.

        • bachcole

          I have nothing to venture so I won’t be gaining anything. (:->) Betting the family mortgage payment on an uncertainty would be very immoral of me. Do you want me to be grossly immoral?

        • bachcole

          I have a feeling for people. One of the feelings that I have is that old people can hit a certain wall and start to decline very quickly. They literally starve to death without actually feeling hungry because certain trace minerals and other nutrients don’t get assimilated because the ageing process has reached their guts. Rossi seems to be ageing very fast, and I would be violating my sacred duty to support my family if I bet on his decline affecting or not affecting his thinking abilities. I keep hearing about too many miracles and wonders coming from “Rossi says” for me to be certain lately. Anything past the completion of the 1W test is too uncertain for me to have an opinion about.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        Better wishful thinking than fistful sinking.

    • LarryJ

      It appears that bookmakers are much more reliable indicators of future events than pollsters. People who put their money where there mouth is make honest bets.

      http://www.independent-investor.com/ft-columns/take-bookmakers-over-opinion-polls/

  • Thorsten

    let me guess:
    The customer will not be named, can not be interviewed, does not write nor publish reports. Very similar to the 1MW plant story.
    The only person that talks very very limited words is AR himself. And each single word is being analyzed here in every detail since years.

    I think once AR shows his Ecat, EcatX or 1MW plant (if they exist) to the public – for example to Nature magazine – it will end like the Orbo Powercube

    • LilyLover

      Faith in “Nature magazine”?
      You must believe in … Politicians are ethical, Northrupp Grumpymann is pro-peace and corporate fairy tales are real.

      Once E-Cat is available to buy, Enjoy the ice-scream.
      Till then, “You go Mary!”

  • Buck

    Frank,

    is it still your understanding that the E-Cat X installation targeted for this April is still in the UK?

    • Frank Acland

      Good question. Rossi has said that the customer for the first question is based in the UK, but right now he is working on the E-Cat X in Florida I believe.

      • Buck

        I asked this question of Rossi. His answer was interesting; it pointed towards a possible June press conference to be held in Sweden where answers to questions will be presented.

        • EEStorFanFibb

          you mean I have to go to the JoNP to read it?

          • Frank Acland

            Andrea Rossi
            March 15, 2016 at 7:54 PM
            Isaias Coberly:
            Yes, also today I am very satisfied for how she is working.
            I hope to make an important press conference in June in Sweden.
            Yes, Prof. Norman Cook is working with me for the theoretical interpretation of the Effect, and soon will reach me in my US laboratory, because we are very close to the solution of the puzzle.
            Warm Regards,
            A.R.

    • LarryJ

      Today Rossi announced that he hopes to announce the ecatx customer at a June press conference in Sweden. If he is making the announcement in Sweden it might follow that the customer is also in Sweden. It would be a good boost for Hydrofusion.

      • Buck

        Larry,

        Assuming your suggestion holds merit, then Rossi would fit the technical and research expert speaker categories. It would be one heck of a symposium, assuming of course that the Pilot Plant test results are clearly positive.

  • Buck

    Frank,

    is it your understanding that the E-Cat X installation targeted for this April is still in the UK?

    • Frank Acland

      Good question. Rossi has said that the customer for the first question is based in the UK, but right now he is working on the E-Cat X in Florida I believe.

      • Buck

        I asked this question of Rossi. His answer was interesting; it pointed towards a possible June press conference to be held in Sweden where answers to questions will be shared.

        • you mean I have to go to the JoNP to read it?

          • Frank Acland

            Andrea Rossi
            March 15, 2016 at 7:54 PM
            Isaias Coberly:
            Yes, also today I am very satisfied for how she is working.
            I hope to make an important press conference in June in Sweden.
            Yes, Prof. Norman Cook is working with me for the theoretical interpretation of the Effect, and soon will reach me in my US laboratory, because we are very close to the solution of the puzzle.
            Warm Regards,
            A.R.

    • LarryJ

      Today Rossi announced that he hopes to announce the ecatx customer at a June press conference in Sweden. If he is making the announcement in Sweden it might follow that the customer is also in Sweden. It would be a good boost for Hydrofusion.

      I wonder if Rossi’s proposed June press conference has any connection with Mats Lewans conference scheduled for June in Sweden.

      http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/01/11/mats-lewan-announces-new-energy-world-symposium-in-stockholm-june-2016-provided-e-cat-test-clearly-positive/

      • Buck

        Larry,

        Assuming your suggestion holds merit, then Rossi would fit the technical and research expert speaker categories. It would be one heck of a symposium, assuming of course that the Pilot Plant test results are clearly positive.

      • Arch

        I wondering if Sweden is top customer, Sweden has nuclear power TAX and it will be expensive to produce energy with LENR..

  • Does anyone know the projected standard operating temperature of the Quark?

  • Does anyone know the projected standard operating temperature of the Quark?

  • LilyLover

    Purpose seems to be sedating revolutions, countering Russian scalar weapons by ionizing atmosphere to keep it strike-ready by the Aurora antennae and spreading nanobots that behave per the cellular signals transmitted as deemed necessary.

  • Adam

    Why can’t AR finish something from A to Z? And what ever happened with the “Hot Ecat”?

    • LilyLover

      Attempted theft of IP and opportunity by IH gone bad.

    • DrD

      I think he said they were all being replaced by E-Catx which has now morphed into the Quark.

      • pg

        Frank could you ask, “can Mats Lewan or myself be among the selected visitors”?

        • Frank Acland

          That’s a question I would think is better for me to ask privately.

          • pg

            By all means.

  • Adam

    Why can’t AR finish something from A to Z? And what ever happened with the “Hot Ecat”?

    • LilyLover

      Attempted theft of IP and opportunity by IH gone bad.

    • DrD

      I think he said they were all being replaced by E-Catx which has now morphed into the Quark.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    I don’t need the seal of approval from anyone in this global
    kleptocracy to tell me that the E-Cat is real. All I know is that lithium-7 is disappearing. Which lead me to believe the following well known reaction is taking place. http://news.coinupdate.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/ernest-walton-silver-coin.jpg
    Could nanocavities in the nickel lattice provide an environment for lithium hydride, LiH to be more covalently bonded than it would be in bulk?
    Wikipedia mentions lithium hydride’s ionic character.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_hydride
    However, this DFT (density functional theory) analysis (if I
    didn’t misunderstand it) leads me to believe that the bond between the lithium and hydride may have some covalent character, therefore a sigma bond between them that could oscillate, Li~H.
    “For the alkali and alkali-earth metals hydrogen insertion
    introduces a hydrogen s state below the Fermi level. In lithium hydride this band is quite wide, explaining lithium hydride’s unusual stability.” (page 9)
    http://web.mit.edu/ceder/publications/prb-66-144107-2002.pdf
    Then I found this:
    LiH has a vibrational frequency of 1405 cm^-1. Could this be the/an infrared, IR stretching frequency of a covalent sigma bond between the Li and the H, Li~H?
    http://cccbdb.nist.gov/exp2.asp?casno=7580678
    Could this oscillation allow the Li and the H to get close enough to tunnel and fuse?

    Li(7)~p > Be(8)* > 2 He(4) 17.3 MeV

    Although this video is old, it may help us understand what may be happening with LiH if there is a covalent bond between the Li and the H, Li~H. See the hydrogen chloride, H~Cl model at 8:00 minutes and then think of how covalently bonded lithium hydride, Li~H might oscillate when stimulated in some way (perhaps infrared, IR radiation from the heat of the reaction or induction
    from an electrical current).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNaipM3WEO0

  • Alan DeAngelis

    I don’t need the seal of approval from anyone in this global
    kleptocracy to tell me that the E-Cat is real. All I know is that lithium-7 is disappearing. Which lead me to believe the following well known reaction is taking place. http://news.coinupdate.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/ernest-walton-silver-coin.jpg
    Could nanocavities in the nickel lattice provide an environment for lithium hydride, LiH to be more covalently bonded than it would be in bulk?
    Wikipedia mentions lithium hydride’s ionic character.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_hydride
    However, this DFT (density functional theory) analysis (if I
    didn’t misunderstand it) leads me to believe that the bond between the lithium and hydride may have some covalent character, therefore a sigma bond between them that could oscillate, Li~H.
    “For the alkali and alkali-earth metals hydrogen insertion
    introduces a hydrogen s state below the Fermi level. In lithium hydride this band is quite wide, explaining lithium hydride’s unusual stability.” (page 9)
    http://web.mit.edu/ceder/publications/prb-66-144107-2002.pdf
    Then I found this:
    LiH has a vibrational frequency of 1405 cm^-1. Could this be the/an infrared, IR stretching frequency of a covalent sigma bond between the Li and the H, Li~H?
    http://cccbdb.nist.gov/exp2.asp?casno=7580678
    Could this oscillation allow the Li and the H to get close enough to tunnel and fuse?

    Li(7)~p > Be(8)* > 2 He(4) 17.3 MeV

    Although this video is old, it may help us understand what may be happening with LiH if there is a covalent bond between the Li and the H, Li~H. See the hydrogen chloride, H~Cl model at 8:00 minutes and then think of how covalently bonded lithium hydride, Li~H might oscillate when stimulated in some way (perhaps infrared, IR radiation from the heat of the reaction or induction
    from an electrical current).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNaipM3WEO0

  • Mike Henderson

    It’s X Files meets Scooby Doo. You never get the full picture. There’s something. It’s in shadows. The truth is out there. The story goes on. Russians can do it. Chinese can do it. Corporations with shadowy backers own it. Cryptic messages from the investors. Sneaker-and-T-shirt clad investigators. If it weren’t for those meddling kids!

      • Manuel Cruz

        It looks like you are throwing a bone.

    • just photoshoped a bit 😉

      http://i.imgur.com/r7aEvQ5.jpg

      • Wishful Thinking Energy

        Barty, this is awesome. How do I get this on a t-shirt?

        • artefact

          If you have it on a shirt, go to the symposium with it 🙂

        • Thank you!

          You could try a printing service like spreadshirt or something else 😉

          Could look like this (14 Euros + shipping):
          http://i.imgur.com/FaiPVsU.png

          • Wishful Thinking Energy

            Nice, I’m going to order one. You should talk to Alan Smith about selling this on lookingforheat.com.

          • Nice idea, but I guess this would lead to copyright issues.

            The original graphic and the slogan is origin of “X Files” and it’s creators, so I guess we would get problems by selling this to everyone.

            But for private use it’s okay 🙂

          • Wishful Thinking Energy

            My T-shirt is on the way. Thanks for sharing.

  • Mike Henderson

    It’s X Files meets Scooby Doo. You never get the full picture. There’s something. It’s in shadows. The truth is out there. The story goes on. Russians can do it. Chinese can do it. Corporations with shadowy backers own it. Cryptic messages from the investors. Sneaker-and-T-shirt clad investigators. If it weren’t for those meddling kids!

      • Manuel Cruz

        It looks like you are throwing a bone.

    • just photoshoped a bit 😉

      http://i.imgur.com/r7aEvQ5.jpg

      • bachcole

        When the house is stark dark and I want to walk from point A to point B, I still flash the lights on for an instant to make sure that someone didn’t leave a chair in my path. And given that I have two tail-wagging uncertainties, I think it a good idea. I still need evidence. I’m not believing that there is a chair or that there isn’t a chair. I’m just uncertain.

      • Wishful Thinking Energy

        Barty, this is awesome. How do I get this on a t-shirt?

        • artefact

          If you have it on a shirt, go to the symposium with it 🙂

        • Thank you!

          You could try a printing service like spreadshirt or something else 😉

          Could look like this (14 Euros + shipping):
          http://i.imgur.com/FaiPVsU.png

          • Wishful Thinking Energy

            Nice, I’m going to order one. You should talk to Alan Smith about selling this on lookingforheat.com.

          • Nice idea, but I guess this would lead to copyright issues.

            The original graphic and the slogan is origin of “X Files” and it’s creators, so I guess we would get problems by selling this to everyone.

            But for private use it’s okay 🙂

          • Wishful Thinking Energy

            My T-shirt is on the way. Thanks for sharing.

  • LuFong

    Andrea Rossi has said he is no longer IH’s Chief Scientist and he is working full time now in his own lab. Nobody has said or implied that IH has let Rossi just wander away. And IH has always said that their investment in LENR may not pan out. Anything else?

    • pg

      -1!?

      • AR

        He he he…

    • Karl Venter

      Hi Frank

      Can you ask Rossi how Big (kW electrical ) the unit for the factory is planned to be?

    • Omega Z

      Two words,
      business consortium

  • LarryJ

    As the official licensee of Leonardo, IH will have the rights to manufacture and sell all ecat products in their territory. The more that Rossi comes up with the better for everyone.

    IH and Leonardo are two separate companies and both are free to pursue their goals. Rossi’s salary, support of IH’s first production reactor and his temporary role as Chief Science Officer for IH would all be part of their licensing agreement. Now the reactor is awaiting the final report of the ERV which will determine if the contractual agreements of all parties were met.

  • jimbo92107

    The first customers for Rossi’s e-cat x tech should be all the major industrial nations. They need to build massive facilities to de-carbonize this planet’s atmosphere, like right now:

    http://www.alternet.org/environment/stunned-february-temperature-spike-scientists-declare-climate-emergency

    The United States, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc, should join together to develop plans for technology to suck CO2 from the air, convert it to solid carbon or some liquid, then store it, possibly underground. LENR tech is the only way this is possible, and it needs to happen ASAP.

    There is no time to convert everybody to LENR energy before global warming’s disastrous effects do immeasurable harm to our planet. This is a global emergency.

    • Brent Buckner

      The IPCC does attempt to measure and its estimates for 2050 aren’t in line with a global emergency need to decrease atmospheric concentration of CO2 from *present level*. c.f. IPCC Fifth Assessment Report, Working Group III Contribution

  • jimbo92107

    The first customers for Rossi’s e-cat x tech should be all the major industrial nations. They need to build massive facilities to de-carbonize this planet’s atmosphere, like right now:

    http://www.alternet.org/environment/stunned-february-temperature-spike-scientists-declare-climate-emergency

    The United States, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc, should join together to develop plans for technology to suck CO2 from the air, convert it to solid carbon or some liquid, then store it, possibly underground. LENR tech is the only way this is possible, and it needs to happen ASAP.

    There is no time to convert everybody to LENR energy before global warming’s disastrous effects do immeasurable harm to our planet. This is a global emergency.

    • bachcole

      OMG, plants are perfectly capable to sucking “excess” CO2 out of the atmosphere, and studies show that there is already an increase in plant growth in the world.

      • Badgerwi

        Thank you @bachcole:disqus for the voice of reason.

        • Steve Albers

          I would consider it a moral question as to whether we should allow ourselves to dominate Earth’s natural systems.

          • bachcole

            I am all for us NOT dominating Earth’s natural systems. LENR will go a long way toward us not doing that. But carbon emissions per se, I don’t loose any sleep over that at all.

      • timycelyn

        Mmmm – careful with that one. Plants only lock up carbon if the plant’s eventual fate is to become part of a coal measure, peat, or the like.

        A lot of vegetation at the end of life releases it’s carbon either as CO2 (through combustion) or as methane though cows farting or other processes of rotting. Remember methane has 4x the GWP of CO2, as well).

        Fossil carbon is only really safely ‘locked away’ again if it is re-fossilised. This can be either by processes ongoing today in parts of the world where modest coal measures are being laid down (swamps etc, I guess), or oil (bottom of our oceans?), or -when we have abundant energy from the E-Cat – by using some of that to capture CO2 and use cute – but normally energetically unfavourable – processes for locking it up in a harmless, solid, stable form.

        • bachcole

          You make points. But the ideal amount of CO2 in the environment is about 1200 ppm. Ask any greenhouse management team.

          When we hit 1000 ppm, I promise that I will start to become concerned. Until then, you can categorize me as a climate denier.

          • timycelyn

            Err ….. All depends where you live, and in particular, how high above the present sea level! If we were to go all nice and greenhouse-ey that would melt virtually all of the polar ice.

            So if you live below 300 ft above sea level you would have a different take on things, or need some really good waterproofing on your house.

            Even the current most optimistic UN trajectory risks inundating Pacific Islands, Bangladesh, New York, etc.

            So – nope.

            Having said that, it’s even more complicated. We should be going into an ice age round about now, but the enhanced CO2 levels are inhibiting this natural trend. This is a GOOD thing (from our viewpoint, at least!)

            It seems to me that what we have to strive for is not the simplistic “All extra manmade CO2 is bad” which your average nutty green will spout. Rather, a deeper understanding of our planet’s macro climate trends so that we can work out how the atmospheric level of CO2 must be managed against a slowly changing solar environment to keep our world at just the temperatures we all like, with the sea levels we all want….

            Modelling keeps moving along, and I would guess within ten years they will be able to do this with a pretty high degree of certainty. On the same timescale E-cat and related technology will be maturing and ready to take its place as a tool for helping in the management of that CO2 level.

            Cheers

            Tim

    • Brent Buckner

      The IPCC does attempt to measure and its estimates for 2050 aren’t in line with a global emergency need to decrease atmospheric concentration of CO2 from *present level*. c.f. IPCC Fifth Assessment Report, Working Group III Contribution

  • pg

    -1!?

    • AR

      He he he…

  • Gerard McEk

    Just some thoughts.
    This quark version plant is 250 kW so it must have about 2500 quarks. Quarks are microprocessor (uP) controlled. I assume not every quark would have its own uP. All together it will be a rather complex thing, this in combination with static fields may not lead to the most reliable design.
    I do believe that choosing for the small quarks is because of power controllability, so you can change the power depending on the required heat demand.
    I worries me that AR now works so intensely on this and with an extreme deadline. Can it be that the 1 MW plant did not cope with the requirements and that this quark will be the answer?

    • Rene

      I have always suspected that control issues has been the bane or complexity of the e-cat system. Rossi wasn’t a passive observer in that !MW container plant. He nursed that baby along. I believe he was part of the control system, and that makes for a pricey controller. So yes, maybe with smaller thermal mass per unit, it is possible to have pure automation keep an e-cat Q in its sweet spot. It would be a good question to ask him in JONP.
      Glad that he’s found a better way to do things but that has moved the goal posts out almost another year. Again, I hope that ERV gets published soonest.

      • wpj

        I thought that these were the 1Kw versions (rather than the 100w Quark- think that there is a bit of miscommunication above), which were the ones that were supposed to give 20Kw in a cigarette package size. I questioned, in an earlier thread about this plant, the control systems that would be required even for this.

        Still, someone is going to have to be trained up to spend 18h a day in a container (smaller one at that !)

        • EmTee

          May be real mass production of very small units can make a big difference. And even if a certain amount fails, the system would be still producing, less than 100% but better than having one device where the probability of having 0 W output would be much bigger, so you would need an additional backup for the device.

          Additionally:
          Please use kW if you mean kW 🙂 (not Kw.)

        • DrD

          The initial 20kW cigarette box was a pre quark Q&A. He subsequently stated that his new approach is that everything will be made up from 100W Quarks.

    • Karl Venter

      Hi Gerhard

      I missed the part about the size of the ecatx – are you sure of the size and is it electrical only?

      • Gerard McEk

        E-cat X has a sizes of a package of sigarettes and a total power of 20 kW,as AR revealed in the past. The Quark is based on the E-cat X but with a power of 100 W. Either of these can deliver heat, electricity and light, but we do not know to which percentages to eachother.

        • bachcole

          And you have confirmation of this other than “Rossi says”? I hope so.

          I wouldn’t be having these doubts as to Rossi’s credibility if it wasn’t for the sudden ageing that we all see in him.

          • US_Citizen71

            Stress and responsibility will rapidly age a man, look at every president of the United States. They all go grey and geniuses can forget to eat. Combine that with a year in a shipping container pulling the hours Rossi did and he looks like I expect he would.

            Personally I see no reason to stop giving him the benefit of the doubt. There are several investment entities pumping money at him, by now they would have to have seen something for them to continue to hang on. Millions are not pledged to a venture without facts that have been verified, not enough has been invested that any of the known entities couldn’t walk away at anytime. So if they are willing to wait a bit longer so am I.

  • Teemu Soilamo

    That press conference in June… isn’t that when Mats Lewan’s Symposium is supposed to take place?

    • DrD

      yes and also in Sweden

    • wpj

      Yes, and the meeting is only going ahead if the results of the 1 year test are positive……………..

      • Teemu Soilamo

        Rossi, short of saying that they are in fact the same thing, confirmed on the JoNP that his press conference is somehow connected to the lenr symposium. But if the symposium is contingent on the report, does that mean Rossi’s speech is, too?

  • Short answer: I don’t know. It’s an easily observable phenomenon in most parts of the world and the amount of substantiating material online is vast, but there seems to be very little ‘insider’ information that is reliable.

    As you suggest, weather modification in concert with the ionospheric heaters located in many countries seems to be the primary objective, but other agendas such as testing of weaponised biological agents and dispersal of ionised materials for communications related purposes seem to have been bolted onto the project.

    One thing is fairly certain – it is not to screen solar radiation to cool the planet. The effect is actually the opposite: clouds, whether natural or artificial, retain heat and exacerbate warming. This may possibly be seen as a useful side effect by the perpetrators.

    As you say, CF won’t directly fix the problem, but it will derail the current movement towards admitting that fly ash etc. are being dumped into the atmosphere but claiming that it is to protect against global warming – as ‘leaked’ by Edward Snowdon. More people will continue to become aware, and without that excuse, the dam of denial will have to break at some point.

  • Karl Venter

    Hi Frank

    Can you ask Rossi how Big (kW electrical ) the unit for the factory is planned to be?

  • Alan DeAngelis

    The smaller quark would have a larger surface to volume ratio than the larger E-Cat making it easier to exchange heat (maybe easier to control).
    http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/esp/2001_gbio/folder_structure/ce/m2/s1/assets/images/cem2s1_1.jpg

    • Bob Greenyer

      More easy to get photons out of for a range of applications more like!

      • Bob, just wanna say you and the guys at MFMP are doing a great job and great service to science. It’s much appreciated. Didn’t see it first but I see it now.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Thanks, means a lot. We do what we do, it may not be perfect or right first time and there may be really annoying delays – but we are trying and anyone can tell us what we should be doing right if we are wrong – that is the beauty of Live Open Science.

          • MLTC

            I’m proud of you!

    • Omega Z

      Why did Rossi’s team need to create a new ceramic for high temperatures when they already exist???

      Quark’s being very small could be brought to full power far faster then the previous Hot-cats. Instead of hours, it may only take minutes. However, there’s the issue of thermal shock when heating them up very fast and they may explode.

      A new ceramic formula quark reactor that is far more thermal shock resistant at a fraction of the size (Less mass less expansion) may make it possible to reach full power in minutes. There’s many implications here..

      Do you really want a 30KW E-cat car running 24/7. You could never enter a parking garage to access your cars. everything would be melted down. But if it’s powered by a 100W reactor in standby and the entire system ramps up in minutes, you’re good to go. Apply that to home systems. Scaleable energy on demand.

  • pg

    Frank could you ask, “can Mats Lewan or myself be among the selected visitors”?

    • Frank Acland

      That’s a question I would think is better for me to ask privately.

      • pg

        By all means.

  • Gerard McEk

    Will Andres be on the symposium in Sweden mid June?

    Andrea Rossi
    March 15, 2016 at 7:54 PM
    Isaias Coberly:
    Yes, also today I am very satisfied for how she is working.
    I hope to make an important press conference in June in Sweden.
    Yes, Prof. Norman Cook is working with me for the theoretical interpretation of the Effect, and soon will reach me in my US laboratory, because we are very close to the solution of the puzzle.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Gerard McEk

    Will Andres be on the symposium in Sweden mid June?

    Andrea Rossi
    March 15, 2016 at 7:54 PM
    Isaias Coberly:
    Yes, also today I am very satisfied for how she is working.
    I hope to make an important press conference in June in Sweden.
    Yes, Prof. Norman Cook is working with me for the theoretical interpretation of the Effect, and soon will reach me in my US laboratory, because we are very close to the solution of the puzzle.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Janne March 16, 2016 at 4:41 AM
    Dear Andrea,
    1. Is your planned June press conference connected in any way to Mats Lewan’s New Energy World Symposium, which will also take place in Stockholm that month?
    2. At that conference, will both the site and the identity of the customer be revealed?
    3. If 2 is a “yes” to both, will the customer be present and speaking at the conference?
    4. Will mainstream media be invited?
    5. Would you say there are still plans to commercialize the one-year 1 MW plant design?
    Best Regards, Janne

    Andrea Rossi March 16, 2016 at 7:23 AM
    Janne:
    1- yes
    2- I do not know
    3- I do not know
    4- we’ll see
    5- if the results from the ERV will be positive, yes, but we still do not know
    Warm Regards, A.R.

    • Gerard McEk

      AR knows the symposium would only go on if the test result is positive. So if these press conference and symposium are connected, than one must assume it is positive. I’ll be there anyway 😉

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Janne March 16, 2016 at 4:41 AM
    Dear Andrea,
    1. Is your planned June press conference connected in any way to Mats Lewan’s New Energy World Symposium, which will also take place in Stockholm that month?
    2. At that conference, will both the site and the identity of the customer be revealed?
    3. If 2 is a “yes” to both, will the customer be present and speaking at the conference?
    4. Will mainstream media be invited?
    5. Would you say there are still plans to commercialize the one-year 1 MW plant design?
    Best Regards, Janne

    Andrea Rossi March 16, 2016 at 7:23 AM
    Janne:
    1- yes
    2- I do not know
    3- I do not know
    4- we’ll see
    5- if the results from the ERV will be positive, yes, but we still do not know
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

    • Gerard McEk

      AR knows the symposium would only go on if the test result is positive. So if these press conference and symposium are connected, than one must assume it is positive. I’ll be there anyway 😉

  • Teemu Soilamo

    https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2889-Andrea-Rossi-will-be-interviewed-at-Mats-Lewan-s-New-Energy-World-Symposium/?postID=15304#post15304

    Mats Lewan:
    “Ok, I can now confirm that Rossi will attend the New Energy World Symposium, not as a speaker but interviewed by me on stage.
    In connection to the symposium, at a separate event, he says he will have some important announcements to make. No date defined.
    The decision to hold the symposium, however, still depends on the result of the one-year 1MW test being released and positive.
    Plans are proceeding meanwhile and there are now more than 200 attendees pre-registered. I’m also considering making it a two-day event, June 21-23, with an option to attend one day only.”

  • Teemu Soilamo

    https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2889-Andrea-Rossi-will-be-interviewed-at-Mats-Lewan-s-New-Energy-World-Symposium/?postID=15304#post15304

    Mats Lewan:
    “Ok, I can now confirm that Rossi will attend the New Energy World Symposium, not as a speaker but interviewed by me on stage.
    In connection to the symposium, at a separate event, he says he will have some important announcements to make. No date defined.
    The decision to hold the symposium, however, still depends on the result of the one-year 1MW test being released and positive.
    Plans are proceeding meanwhile and there are now more than 200 attendees pre-registered. I’m also considering making it a two-day event, June 21-23, with an option to attend one day only.”

  • Bob Greenyer

    Thanks, means a lot. We do what we do, it may not be perfect or right first time and there may be really annoying delays – but we are trying and anyone can tell us what we should be doing right if we are wrong – that is the beauty of Live Open Science.

  • US_Citizen71

    Stress and responsibility will rapidly age a man, look at every president of the United States. They all go grey and geniuses can forget to eat. Combine that with a year in a shipping container pulling the hours Rossi did and he looks like I expect he would.

    Personally I see no reason to stop giving him the benefit of the doubt. There are several investment entities pumping money at him, by now they would have to have seen something for them to continue to hang on. Millions are not pledged to a venture without facts that have been verified, not enough has been invested that any of the known entities couldn’t walk away at anytime. So if they are willing to wait a bit longer so am I.

  • Omega Z

    Rossi is in for the royalties.