Rossi Provides Explanation about 1MW Plant Customer (Updated With Info from Mats Lewan)

Andrea Rossi has been asked on the Journal of Nuclear Physics about the customer who has been supplied with the heat of the 1 MW plant. The name Henry Johnson, who is a Florida Attorney and also listed on some documents as president of Leonardo Corporation has been named in the License Agreement as president of JM Chemical Products, Inc. the apparent customer for the 1MW E-Cat plant.

See the last page of this document: http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Rossi_et_al_v_Darden_et_al__flsdce-16-21199__0001.2.pdf

Andrea Rossi provided this explanation.

Andrea Rossi
April 8, 2016 at 9:54 AM
Teemu:
I knew the Customer in the office of my Attorney Henry Johnson. They were enthusiast to test our 1 MW plant, to see if it really worked, because they were ( and are ) interested to buy more plants for their facilities in Europe. They wanted not to be exposed, though, therefore incorporated JM Products and made a plant for their production to make the test and appointed President their Attorney, who was also, as I said, my Attorney. IH knew all this and agreed, obviously, on this, making a rental agreement with JM Products to make the test in their factory. When IH met with the President of JM in Raleigh, I was present and I explained that he was also my Attorney. No problem has been raised by IH.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

So from this explanation the true identity of the customer is hidden behind this new company formed in Florida for the purpose of of testing the E-Cat plant. Maybe we will not get a true understanding of who the customer is, even if the full report is published, if only the new company name is provided.

UPDATE: Mats Lewan just made this comment, and I thought I’d add it to the post:

Ok, so this is what I heard from sources having visited the plant and talked to the customer (who could of course be an actor, playing his part in a scam…) – that JMC set up a production unit of the same kind that they already have in UK, although smaller. Given the experience from their units in the UK they knew perfectly well how much energy should be consumed and how much energy was needed to run the unit. At least one engineer was sceptical in the beginning, but soon found out that the consumed electric energy was much less than expected, using the E-Cat plant as energy source for the hot steam. And the customer was happy as a lark with this.

I don’t know which the UK based company is, but I understood it’s not Johnson Matthey (which would have been a nice coincidence, since Johnson Matthey apparently once provided the working palladium samples to F&P), and as far as I know it has absolutely nothing to do with Hydrofusion.

  • Ged

    An attorney’s client lists may be confidential, but it may be possible to find public records of cases showing who hired him, to see if we can narrow down who the customer is, since he is their attorney too. It’s a Long shot, as these sorts of matters are intentionally opaque, but we do have some super sleuths here.

    • clovis ray

      YEP,
      The, most recent attorney’s client list, being exposed, will hang a number of these thugs out to dry. see the panama papers, this ought to be good, crony capitalist , bits the dust, and the world is better off.

  • wpj

    “………made a plant for their production to make the test”

    “……… interested to buy more plants for their facilities in Europe”

    They clearly have big pockets.

    The name change from JM Chemical Products to JM Products still leads me to think it’s JMC no matter what Matts Lewan has said.

    • Sanjeev

      Yes, possible. Too much similarity to be a coincidence.

  • wpj

    “………made a plant for their production to make the test”

    “……… interested to buy more plants for their facilities in Europe”

    They clearly have big pockets.

    The name change from JM Chemical Products to JM Products still leads me to think it’s JMC no matter what Matts Lewan has said.

    • Sanjeev

      Yes, possible. Too much similarity to be a coincidence.

  • Fibber McGourlickf

    Does this mean the location of the plant is not the documented location and the real plant is located elsewhere?

    • wpj

      No, the plant is there. It’s possible that they were gong to set up and this opportunity came up. Reports are that the unit has been recharged and in use again. Don’t know who is being paid for it, presumably IH still.

      • Fibber McGourlick

        I had the impression from elsewhere that the plant was just an empty building. What kind of factory is it? What was the energy used for? Do you or anyone else know anything more about the place?
        Secondly, do you know where the report you mention can be found–I mean the report about recharging and using the unit again?

        • Mike Henderson

          Public records show the principal place of business for JM Products and JM Chemical Products to be
          7861 NW 46th St
          Doral, FL 33166

          Light industrial park type building. Not a big chemical plant. Few prying eyes, hidden in plain sight.

          • wpj

            As I said in previous posts, it doesn’t really look like a chemical plant, but I have been to an industrial estate next to cinemas and a shopping centre which was handling some of the most hazardous thing you can imagine. Their heating plant was taken from a disused airport!

          • deleo77

            Didn’t Darden visit the site of the plant? What if Darden testifies that he went down to Miami only to find Rossi in a shipping container in an empty warehouse?

          • Ged

            Very good point. Also, IH employees were there monitoring everything, so they know where it is and who owns the site, so IH should have no problem contesting this if it is a contestable fact. (It also means they knew everything all along and had no issues, which Rossi points out in his rebuttles)

          • Anon2012_2014

            More like a warehouse+loading dock facility with offices on the other end. Probably used for distribution to local businesses. Easy in/easy out. Signs on the building show that the loading docks are rented to multiple tenants.

        • wpj

          It was on here after the completion of the test; Rossi said that they were doing that and then he was going to rest.

          He was asked if the customer wished to continue using the plant which is why he told about the re-charge.

  • Sanjeev

    As many have speculated, it could be Johnson Matthey Chemical Products, a big name.
    http://chemicals.matthey.com/
    They did a poor job of hiding themselves by using the same abbreviation. They are UK based and have factories all over the world (my limited googled knowledge).

    • wpj

      Yes, it started with me………………….

    • Andre Blum

      Below you write: “Too much similarity to be a coincidence”, and here you write: “poor job of hiding themselves”. Bit of chicken and egg to me. So, what other clues except for the abbreviation point to Johnson Matthey Chemicals?

      • wpj

        The name change from JM Chemical Products to JM Products is interesting. They also make the ingredients for the sauce and could be interested in it as a future business venture and, thus, their enthusiasm (plus their commitment for reducing carbon footprint).

        Clearly total speculation, but the name change does seem interesting.

        • Andre Blum

          Right. Looked at the signature. It’s actually a change from JMC Chemicals, Inc to JM Chemical products, Inc. Hmm.. interesting
          Then again, I don’t see they have a factory near Florida.

          • wpj

            Changed since to just JM Products, apparently.

          • Andre Blum
          • wpj

            Alternative possibility

            http://www.jmcusa.com/profile.htm

          • Andre Blum

            Right, not a bad find, but it is not a UK based entity.

          • wpj

            True; it was just put there as a speculative alternative as they also had plants in Europe.

          • Ged

            Hydrogen storage alloy production, huh? If they aren’t involved yet, they may be interested down the line in more ways than one.

          • Mike Henderson

            Search.sunbiz.org gives the prinicipal business address and info on the amended name.

      • Sanjeev

        The last page of agreement itself says that JMC is owned by a UK based entity.
        Rossi’s clue that they have facilities in Europe.
        They fit into a profile who would need steam or heat for their production.
        Anyway, its a speculation.

        • Andre Blum

          correct. Thanks for clarifying. Much clearer to me now.

          • e-dog

            Sooooooooooooooo Dodgy Mr Roosi!

          • wpj

            Well, IH sat on their rears and did nothing for a long time, so he took it on himself to organise something (while they were talking to competitors………allegedly .).

    • No, it’s not Johnson Matthey.

  • Fibber McGourlickf

    Does this mean the location of the plant is not the documented location and the real plant is located elsewhere?

    • wpj

      No, the plant is there. It’s possible that they were gong to set up and this opportunity came up. Reports are that the unit has been recharged and in use again. Don’t know who is being paid for it, presumably IH still.

      • Fibber McGourlick

        I had the impression from elsewhere that the plant was just an empty building. What kind of factory is it? What was the energy used for? Do you or anyone else know anything more about the place?
        Secondly, do you know where the report you mention can be found–I mean the report about recharging and using the unit again?

        • Mike Henderson

          Public records show the principal place of business for JM Products and JM Chemical Products to be
          7861 NW 46th St
          Doral, FL 33166

          Light industrial park type building. Not a big chemical plant. Few prying eyes, hidden in plain sight.

          • wpj

            As I said in previous posts, it doesn’t really look like a chemical plant, but I have been to an industrial estate next to cinemas and a shopping centre which was handling some of the most hazardous thing you can imagine. Their heating plant was taken from a disused airport!

          • Anon2012_2014

            More like a warehouse+loading dock facility with offices on the other end. Probably used for distribution to local businesses. Easy in/easy out. Signs on the building show that the loading docks are rented to multiple tenants.

        • wpj

          It was on here after the completion of the test; Rossi said that they were doing that and then he was going to rest.

          He was asked if the customer wished to continue using the plant which is why he told about the re-charge.

  • Sanjeev

    As many have speculated, it could be Johnson Matthey Chemical Products, a big name.
    http://chemicals.matthey.com/
    They did a poor job of hiding themselves by using the same abbreviation. They are UK based and have factories all over the world (my limited googled knowledge).

    • wpj

      Yes, it started with me………………….

    • Andre Blum

      Below you write: “Too much similarity to be a coincidence”, and here you write: “poor job of hiding themselves”. Bit of chicken and egg to me. So, what other clues except for the abbreviation point to Johnson Matthey Chemicals?

      • wpj

        The name change from JM Chemical Products to JM Products is interesting. They also make the ingredients for the sauce and could be interested in it as a future business venture and, thus, their enthusiasm (plus their commitment for reducing carbon footprint).

        Clearly total speculation, but the name change does seem interesting.

        • Andre Blum

          Right. Looked at the signature. It’s actually a change from JMC Chemicals, Inc to JM Chemical products, Inc. Hmm.. interesting
          Then again, I don’t see they have a factory near Florida.

          • wpj

            Changed since to just JM Products, apparently.

            The identity of the customer was also revealed about a year ago, but no one believed it at the time.

          • Andre Blum
          • Rheulan

            Amazing how the dots of sparse info started to connect.

          • wpj

            Alternative possibility

            http://www.jmcusa.com/profile.htm

          • Andre Blum

            Right, not a bad find, but it is not a UK based entity.

          • wpj

            True; it was just put there as a speculative alternative as they also had plants in Europe.

          • Ged

            Hydrogen storage alloy production, huh? If they aren’t involved yet, they may be interested down the line in more ways than one.

          • Mike Henderson

            Search.sunbiz.org gives the prinicipal business address and info on the amended name.

      • Sanjeev

        The last page of agreement itself says that JMC is owned by a UK based entity.
        Rossi’s clue that they have facilities in Europe.
        They fit into a profile who would need steam or heat for their production.
        Anyway, its a speculation.

        • Andre Blum

          correct. Thanks for clarifying. Much clearer to me now.

          • M.A.G.

            May be it’s JM opacifier plant in Jacksonville, 11400 New Berlin Road
            http://sauer-inc.com/opacifier-plant-warehouse

          • BillH

            We all know the villains in movies are played by Brits, I can see Jeremy Irons playing the evil JM chemical Products Inc, mastermind. hehe

    • No, it’s not Johnson Matthey.

  • clovis ray

    HI,you’all.
    Seem to me they took a gamble, and came up short,( game over) now Dr.Rossi can breath a bit better, and will try and get back to work moving his invention, on to market, so i can get one,

    And I/H and mr, Darden, gets what they deserve, for their deceit.

  • BillH

    Then the real question is ‘is JM Chemical Products, Inc. willing to come forward and provide evidence in support of AR’s claims?’ i.e. that the test was done, the results recorded and money saved?

    If JM, AR and the ERV all concur it’s three against 1.

  • Mike Henderson

    Rossi was supposed to get $89 million 5 days after the test was certified by the ERV.
    The ERV is one person, and one person is more easily corrupted than a committee.
    The customer is a fictitious entity created for the purpose of the test and embodied as Rossi’s attorney.
    The complaint says the customer was happy to pay $1000 per day for steam energy, and it asks for attorney fees. Is there a conflict of interest inherent in that?

    I wonder who’s going to play Rossi in the movie?

    • Ged

      The ERV wasn’t the only watcher. We’ll have to see if IH has some data to cotton prays their position.

    • SG

      Given the controversial nature of the claims, I’m pretty sure a large institutional ERV willing to play the role would probably have been difficult to find. The ERV appears to be highly qualified, and apparently acceptable to IH. The customer was apparently acceptable to IH as well. That is really what matters, since they were the ones on the hook for the $89 million.

    • Anon2012_2014

      Don’t know about the $1K/day payment for steam = $365K/year.

      Sounds to me like they ran a garden hose sized water line flowing 10 gallons per minute to the E-Cat trailer and then sent the steam out the chimney. I would imagine it make some noise and was visible at the warehouse.

    • “I wonder who’s going to play Rossi in the movie?”

      – is Al Pacino still working?

  • Mike Henderson

    Rossi was supposed to get $89 million 5 days after the test was certified by the ERV.
    The ERV is one person, and one person is more easily corrupted than a committee.
    The customer is a fictitious entity created for the purpose of the test and embodied as Rossi’s attorney.
    The complaint says the customer was happy to pay $1000 per day for steam energy, and it asks for attorney fees. Is there a conflict of interest inherent in that?

    I wonder who’s going to play Rossi in the movie?

    • Ged

      The ERV wasn’t the only watcher. We’ll have to see if IH has some data to corroborate their position.

    • SG

      Given the controversial nature of the claims, I’m pretty sure a large institutional ERV willing to play the role would probably have been difficult to find. The ERV appears to be highly qualified, and apparently acceptable to IH. The customer was apparently acceptable to IH as well. That is really what matters, since they were the ones on the hook for the $89 million.

    • Anon2012_2014

      Don’t know about the $1K/day payment for steam = $365K/year.

      Sounds to me like they ran a garden hose sized water line flowing 10 gallons per minute to the E-Cat trailer and then sent the steam out the chimney. I would imagine it make some noise and was visible at the warehouse.

    • “I wonder who’s going to play Rossi in the movie?”

      – is Al Pacino still working?

  • LION

    Neil Woodford worked hard and long to build His company, and has high respect in His field for being innovative–

    http://news.sky.com/story/1514741/city-star-woodford-raises-bet-on-purplebricks

    My hope is that He remembers this story from the past

    —http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2065840/Three-Olympus-directors-centre-fraud-scandal-fall-swords-day-ousted-British-chief-exec-tells-game-up.html

    Since the Financial CRASH, Regulation here in the U.k. has been tightened and the need for early reporting is paramount when investors cash could be threatened by FRAUD and CORRUPTION charges leveled in litigation. I hope Neil Woodford is keeping all the relevant Authorities properly briefed as this ugly mess unfolds, I am expecting them to issue a statement in due course, to protect themselves from the fallout, this could also destroy Brillouin. It looks to me like tom darden just flushed anything he had of value down the Toilet. I am profoundly shocked by his behaviour, I wonder how many good people he will take down with him.
    If I was A BILLIONAIRE Andrea Rossi would have my full weight of backing and protection. GOD BLESS AND PROTECT YOU ,GOOD SIR.

  • clovis ray

    Hi, folks,
    you, know’, it would seem correct that if the I/P for that type plant, was to be payed for at the end of a successful 1 year,test, the test was a complete success, with a cop of 50 or more. after I/H REFUSED to pay, the contract was breached, simple enough, now the illegal act of trying to obtain patents that belong to Dr. R , would in my view should be looked into by the appropriate agency, icc, i think, for criminal activity.

  • e-dog

    Sooooooooooooooo Dodgy Mr Roosi!

    • wpj

      Well, IH sat on their rears and did nothing for a long time, so he took it on himself to organise something (while they were talking to competitors………allegedly .).

  • Mike Henderson

    Search.sunbiz.org for JM Chemical Products and JM Products. I may be wrong, but it looks like they incorporated as JM Products first then did an amendment / name change to add “Chemical” last October.

    Both are registered with
    JOHNSON, HENRY W
    7900 GLADES ROAD, SUITE 530
    BOCA RATON, FL 33434

    Streetview shows it to be a modern mirrored 3 or 4 story office building, no visible signage.
    Both “JM” entities show a principal place of business address as

    7861 46TH STREET
    DORAL, FL 33166
    That location is near the Miami airport and maybe a thirty minute commute from Rossi’s address in Miami Beach.

    The streetview image on maps.google.com shows it to be a two story light industrial suites sort of building with a half dozen or more tenant businesses. For example it looks like Tennis Plaza retail uses one segment for their warehouse. This does not look like a place where I’d expect to find a nuclear reactor test. 😉
    https://www.google.com/maps/place/7861+NW+46th+St,+Doral,+FL+33166

    Here’s an aerial view on maps.bing.com https://bit.ly/23poIK1

  • Mike Henderson

    Search.sunbiz.org for JM Chemical Products and JM Products. I may be wrong, but it looks like they incorporated as JM Products first then did an amendment / name change to add “Chemical” last October.

    Both are registered with
    JOHNSON, HENRY W
    7900 GLADES ROAD, SUITE 530
    BOCA RATON, FL 33434

    Streetview shows it to be a modern mirrored 3 or 4 story office building, no visible signage.
    Both “JM” entities show a principal place of business address as

    7861 46TH STREET
    DORAL, FL 33166
    That location is near the Miami airport and maybe a thirty minute commute from Rossi’s address in Miami Beach.

    The streetview image on maps.google.com shows it to be a two story light industrial suites sort of building with a half dozen or more tenant businesses. For example it looks like Tennis Plaza retail uses one segment for their warehouse. This does not look like a place where I’d expect to find a nuclear reactor test. 😉
    https://www.google.com/maps/place/7861+NW+46th+St,+Doral,+FL+33166

    Here’s an aerial view on maps.bing.com https://bit.ly/23poIK1

  • Me

    I keep “waiting for the other shoe to fall”, and then like 8 shoes tumble off the shelf.

    • Ged

      Haha. Thanks for that bit of humor, that really brightened the day.

      • Me

        lol glad I’m not the only one who wnjoyed the thought.

  • Charlie tapp

    That just sucks there was never a true non associated customer. Or a non associated Erv! So no real independent person to verify anything! frank you have conversation with Rossi all the time could you ask him for all of us why he would try to pretend everything was independent ? When it obviously is all tied together, and what exactly did they make with all of this steam they made for one year other than a lot of hot air? I followed this thing 10 times a day apparently for no reason.

    • Mike Henderson

      The customer appears to be a Florida corporation owned by an unnamed UK company with no connection to Rossi. The President of that corporation is the principal of the law firm that now represents Rossi. I get that it was an expedient move to put a corporate veil around a highly controversial nuclear reactor test. I also get that not having a real live downstream process hooked up to the steam generator limits a lot of complications, liability, and potential for espionage / information leaks.

      This is all great theater. So much intrigue, so much drama. It’s like the report shows Santa Claus is real and they are bickering over rights to sell magic sleighs. I can’t wait to watch the DVD in my self-driving flying car.

    • Maybe you sort of did not understand that this was a license agreement between IH and Rossi and if they both sign, it is valid according to the law?

      They agreed on the ERV and the test facility, which did not even need to be a customer, only a facility, which some reason IH failed to locate for a year.

      Got it?

  • Charlie tapp

    That just sucks there was never a true non associated customer. Or a non associated Erv! So no real independent person to verify anything! frank you have conversation with Rossi all the time could you ask him for all of us why he would try to pretend everything was independent ? When it obviously is all tied together, and what exactly did they make with all of this steam they made for one year other than a lot of hot air? I followed this thing 10 times a day apparently for no reason.

    • Mike Henderson

      The customer appears to be a Florida corporation owned by an unnamed UK company with no connection to Rossi. The President of that corporation is the principal of the law firm that now represents Rossi. I get that it was an expedient move to put a corporate veil around a highly controversial nuclear reactor test. I also get that not having a real live downstream process hooked up to the steam generator limits a lot of complications, liability, and potential for espionage / information leaks.

      This is all great theater. So much intrigue, so much drama. It’s like the report shows Santa Claus is real and they are bickering over rights to sell magic sleighs. I can’t wait to watch the DVD in my self-driving flying car.

    • Maybe you sort of did not understand that this was a license agreement between IH and Rossi and if they both sign, it is valid according to the law?

      They agreed on the ERV and the test facility, which did not even need to be a customer, only a facility, which some reason IH failed to locate for a year.

      Got it?

      • BillH

        Someone reported that a nuclear reactor may be running at an IH factory without proper safety checks last year, and an inspector was sent out to check one of IH’s plant but found nothing. It may be that IH took fright about running an unlicensed safety risk at one of their existing sites and so AR had to find a customer himself. that customer might not wish to be identified for the same reasons i.e. a health and safety issue.

  • Bob Matulis

    My understanding had been that a real company had a plant using the E-CAT. Having a real business save real money by lowering their fuel bills is a great way of establishing the legitimacy of this technology.
    Now I learn the “company” president is Mr. Rossi’s lawyer. In my opinion the credibility of this plant demonstrating the E-CAT has dropped significantly.

    • artefact

      As far as I understand the lawyer just set up the company for a customer that is then not so easy identified.

    • wpj

      If it wasn’t real (and Matts Lewan says that the energy was being used according to visitors to the plant) why would they be re-charging the reactors to continue operating with the customer.

      Additionally, it has been stated that they were previously using gas.

      It is clear that the real identity of the customer is being hidden on their insistence.

      • Guest

        It sound from Rossi’s comment that they were previously using nothing as they explicitly set up this plant to test.

        Mats says the people visiting the plant were told the energy was being used, not that they actually saw it being used, I asked that clarifying question of him above…

    • Gerrit

      to add to the “negative view” story, Rossi then let a old contact of his act as a “independent third party” to show that the plant was producing copious amounts of energy.

      Correct ?

      • Ged

        Doesn’t seem so. Penon was agreed on by IH way back several years ago, so he isn’t some old contact of Rossi’s, but both IH and Rossi’s mutually. Not sure where the old contact of Rossi’s meme started, though I guess at the time we didn’t know that IH picked Penon for the 24 hour test, but now we do.

  • Guest

    So Andrea wants us to believe that a secret major European industrial Company just happened to have the same lawyer as him in South Florida (before having any industrial presence in the area), and that that major Industrial Company decided that the best way to test out a controversial new technology was to hire the very same lawyer to lead the new entity during the testing of the product?

    I know there will be people who blast me for this, but I can’t fathom how that could be true.

    First, why would they have a prior relationship with Rossi’s lawyer (he doesn’t seem to be very well known)? Second, why would they have him be the president of the new entity when he would clearly have a conflict of interest as Leonardo Corp President?

    I know we all love conspiracy theories, but isn’t the more plausible explanation that this was an entity he had his lawyer create?

    Someone’s got to be able to find tax records or employment findings or something if JM Products actually used the steam to create something… They’d have to have workers and revenue.

    • Frank Acland

      What AR seems to be saying is that the European company was interested in testing the E-Cat and Rossi knew about it, so he arranged with the help of his attorney Henry Johnson to set up a company for this purpose.

      • Mike Henderson

        I agree. The document says JM Products / JM Chemical Products is owned by the unnamed UK company, the attorney is the President, and nobody here has any ownership interest. So it’s a shell that hides the ownership and provides a corporate veil against liability if the reactor (which appears to have released the equivalent of 7.2 kT of TNT worth of energy) does something bad.

        • Anon2012_2014

          Unnamed UK Company:

          Sounds like Hydrofusion to me.

          • No.

          • Omega Z

            Would it be a potential customer of Hydrofusion. I recall they were looking for a client for a test plant…

          • Anon2012_2014

            Thank you Mats. Have to keep on guessing.

    • Ged

      There should be some records somewhere, but I’m not familiar with how much one can hide with shell companies. It’s a very often used strategy to hide all sorts of corporate activities, and it’s dang effective, so I’m not sure how well we can crack it? I was thinking of using the lawyer to see what connections he had, but searching such a common name really doesn’t yield much that’s useful.

      The attorney’s rep is on the line too, and the customer was also supposedly paying IH $1000 a day. I doubt the attorney would be paying that out of pocket, so there had to be quite a fund behind the customer if the filing’s claim and supporting amendments are true.

    • US_Citizen71

      It might not be a chemical company they setup. A laundry would be a fairly easy setup or purchase and would need lots of hot water. Steam powered dryers are a thing as well. – http://www.continentalgirbau.com/opl/commercial-dryers-cg7585.html

  • Frank Acland

    What AR seems to be saying is that the European company was interested in testing the E-Cat and Rossi knew about it, so he arranged with the help of his attorney Henry Johnson to set up a company for this purpose.

    • Mike Henderson

      I agree. The document says JM Products / JM Chemical Products is owned by the unnamed UK company, the attorney is the President, and nobody here has any ownership interest. So it’s a shell that hides the ownership and provides a corporate veil against liability if the reactor (which appears to have released the equivalent of 7.2 kT of TNT worth of energy) does something bad.

      • Anon2012_2014

        Unnamed UK Company:

        Sounds like Hydrofusion to me.

        • No.

          • Omega Z

            Would it be a potential customer of Hydrofusion. I recall they were looking for a client for a test plant…

          • Anon2012_2014

            Thank you Mats. Have to keep on guessing.

  • Albert Nilsson

    Should I understand Rossi’s comment as the customer took the expense of erecting a completely new factory in Florida in order to test the E-cat? That seems to be a bit excessive. Or have the E-cats during the 350 day test not been supplying any factory with the energy generated?

    • Omega Z

      1MW is a lot of energy, yet it is not.
      It would boil away about 1 gallon of (120`C)water a minute.

      • Omega Z

        WTF- That should be 6 gallon at 120`C per minute. Sorry,

  • Albert Nilsson

    Should I understand Rossi’s comment as the customer took the expense of erecting a completely new factory in Florida in order to test the E-cat? That seems to be a bit excessive. Or have the E-cats during the 350 day test not been supplying any factory with the energy generated?

    • Omega Z

      1MW is a lot of energy, yet it is not.
      It would boil away about 1 gallon of (120`C)water a minute.

      • Omega Z

        WTF- That should be 6 gallon at 120`C per minute. Sorry,

  • MarcIrvin

    All this speculation is unhelpful to those of us who have, against all reason and naysayers, cheered for Rossi’s success for five long years. The suit, the lawyer, the partner all pale in comparison to the promised document, the 352 day report. Sure it may no longer be certifiable, but once it is released publicly it will be obvious who is at fault. Rossi or his detractors. For instance, it will be pretty hard to argue honesty if the test facility was not a commercial entity, if the 3rd party tester were shills, or if an E-Cat cell can not heat a cup of water economically. Rossi gave his word, let’s wait until the 352 day report is made public to see what his word is worth.

    • deleo77

      Didn’t Darden visit the site of the plant? What if Darden testifies that he went down to Miami only to find Rossi in a shipping container in an empty warehouse?

      • Ged

        Very good point. Also, IH employees were there monitoring everything, so they know where it is and who owns the site, so IH should have no problem contesting this if it is a contestable fact. (It also means they knew everything all along and had no issues, which Rossi points out in his rebuttles)

    • LarryJ

      Since the ERV report might affect the juries perception is it not possible that we won’t see the ERV’s report for a year or two until the trial begins and maybe not even then until after it concludes.

  • Ged

    There should be some records somewhere, but I’m not familiar with how much one can hide with shell companies. It’s a very often used strategy to hide all sorts of corporate activities, and it’s dang effective, so I’m not sure how well we can crack it? I was thinking of using the lawyer to see what connections he had, but searching such a common name really doesn’t yield much that’s useful.

    The attorney’s rep is on the line too, and the customer was also supposedly paying IH $1000 a day. I doubt the attorney would be paying that out of pocket, so there had to be quite a fund behind the customer if the filing’s claim and supporting amendments are true.

  • Ged

    Haha. Thanks for that bit of humor, that really brightened the day.

  • US_Citizen71

    It might not be a chemical company they setup. A laundry would be a fairly easy setup or purchase and would need lots of hot water. Steam powered dryers are a thing as well. – http://www.continentalgirbau.com/opl/commercial-dryers-cg7585.html

  • Anon2012_2014

    I don’t understand where Rossi got rid of 1 MW of heat in Miami in the summer without a massive heat exchanger or a steam cloud. Waiting for the report.

    • Leonard Weinstein

      1 MW output heat is about equal to the waste heat from 10 automobiles running around town. Not actually very much. It would make about 1 pound of steam per second, and use about 7 gallons of water per min if the steam is directly vented rather than recovered. Large power plants are generally in the several GW range, which is more than 1,000 time this large, and they do have to get rid of a lot of waste heat.

      • Anon2012_2014

        This is in a warehouse loading dock facility near the airport. Should be a chimney on top if the heat is not recycled.

        • Ged

          Hm… Airports have a lot of cameras, including sometimes public ones associated with weather reporting and what not. Maybe there is one with a view? Don’t know how to go about finding that, but if one could get even just still pictures archived going back to before the start of the test, to locate the chimney, one could conceivably get a rough estimate of steam production by the release rate.

          I dunno, just thinking out loud.

          • Anon2012_2014

            Particularly in winter the steam should be visible, or on a day when there are low clouds and high humidity.

            The size (scale) is not as large as I thought for exhausting the steam — it is possible that the landlord let them cut a hole in the ceiling to exhaust it.

            I think a heat exchanger/condenser would be more work than it was worth.

          • Mike Henderson

            1 MW x 24 hours is about the same as running two industrial diesel generators.

  • Barbierir

    They are going to be exposed because sooner or later they will be called to give a testimony for the lawsuit

    • Matt Sevrens

      That’s actually a very interesting point…

    • BillH

      Precisely. either AR or IH will break the silence since it is in their interest.

  • GordonDocherty

    Is that JM supposed to be Johnson Matthey? Well, it would make sense:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_Matthey

    • No, it’s not.

      • Ged

        Do you know exactly who it is? If so, can you share? It’s not like there are any secrets any more now anyways.

        • No, I don’t know.

          • Ged

            Blast. Thank you for all your reporting and investigations you do. I guess we’ll just have to wait for more court discovery for this one.

          • Michael W Wolf

            Where is the 1mw reactor?

          • Omega Z

            You know it isn’t Johnson Matthey, but you don’t know who it is, but, but,
            I gotta head ache.

      • GordonDocherty

        OK. Do we know who it is – assuming JM Chemicals, Inc. is owned by a UK company… As to who the Chief Executive is, the Panama Papers (Mossack Fonsenca) reveal how local trusted representatives are often picked as nominal Directors, Chief Executives and so on to hide the true identity of a company’s owner… as seems to be the case here.

      • GordonDocherty

        OK. Does this mean you know who it is ? If so, are you in a position to say who it is?

        As to companies like JM Chemicals, Inc, as “the Panama Papers” (Mossack Fonseca) has reminded everyone, it is common practice to set up a shell company with a CEO, Director and Secretary to hide the identity of the real owners.

  • GordonDocherty

    Is that JM supposed to be Johnson Matthey? Well, it would make sense:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_Matthey

    and I quote:

    “New Businesses targets new opportunities in areas adjacent to the company’s current businesses and which align with its core technology competencies. This division includes Johnson Matthey Fuel Cells and Johnson Matthey Battery Technologies.”

    • No, it’s not.

      • Ged

        Do you know exactly who it is? If so, can you share? It’s not like there are any secrets any more now anyways.

        • No, I don’t know.

          • Ged

            Blast. Thank you for all your reporting and investigations you do. I guess we’ll just have to wait for more court discovery for this one.

          • Omega Z

            You know it isn’t Johnson Matthey, but you don’t know who it is, but, but,
            I gotta head ache.

      • GordonDocherty

        OK. Do we know who it is – assuming JM Chemicals, Inc. is owned by a UK company… As to who the Chief Executive is, the Panama Papers (Mossack Fonsenca) reveal how local trusted representatives are often picked as nominal Directors, Chief Executives and so on to hide the true identity of a company’s owner… as seems to be the case here.

      • GordonDocherty

        OK. Does this mean you know who it is ? If so, are you in a position to say who it is?

        As to companies like JM Chemicals, Inc, as “the Panama Papers” (Mossack Fonseca) has reminded everyone, it is common practice to set up a shell company with a CEO, Director and Secretary to hide the identity of the real owners.

  • Ok, so this is what I hear from sources having visited the plant and talked to the customer (who could of course be an actor, playing his part in a scam…) – that JMC set up a production unit of the same kind that they already have in UK, although smaller. Given the experience from their units in the UK they knew perfectly well how much energy should be consumed and how much energy was needed to run the unit. At least one engineer was sceptical in the beginning, but soon found out that the consumed electric energy was much less than expected, using the E-Cat plant as energy source for the hot steam. And the customer was happy as a lark with this.

    I don’t know which the UK based company is, but I understood it’s not Johnson Matthey (which would have been a nice coincidence, since Johnson Matthey apparently once provided the working palladium samples to F&P), and as far as I know it has absolutely nothing to do with Hydrofusion.

    • Ged

      Very interesting, thank you Mats. Did the sources say anything about what they were producing? If even just the general industry they are in?

      • Nope.

      • Mike Henderson

        Knowing the area around Doral and MIA, it could easily be something as simple as an industrial laundry operation. That area is peppered with hundreds of hotels, cruise lines, restaurants, airlines, and other outfits that use uniforms and linens.

        • Ged

          That’s what I was thinking since I saw your earlier post locating all that (nice job, by the way). That would be very lucrative. Steam cleaning is one apt usage model for such a 1 MW device.

          • US_Citizen71
          • psi2u2

            Ok, I see the installation. Now why would think this is the site?

          • US_Citizen71

            Zoom in on the doors 7859 is just to the right of that suite. 7861 should be the one on the left. I couldn’t find an unblocked view of the number for that one but all doors are odd numbered on that building. 7861 46TH STREET DORAL, FL 33166 is the registered address for the business address for JMC Products with the state of Florida.

          • Mike Ivanov

            We are talking about industrial heater working for established business for one year? Measurements must be quite easy, in money terms. I suppose this business used to get steam before by old fashion way? If AR is not lying, the customer must save a plenty of money?

          • psi2u2

            Thanks.

    • LuFong

      There are two aspects to calculating the COP. The first is the electrical energy input. I find this would be very hard to manipulate given at the very least the electrical company is charging for this and extension chords would be very hard to conceal.

      The other element is the amount of steam and it’s temperature being produced. This might be easier to manipulate as Defkalion seems to have demonstrated. I find it very strange that someone would set up a company for the sole purpose of testing Rossi’s 1MW plant. Their claim that they know perfectly how much energy should be consumed would be much more credible if they modified an existing plant. (They will be dragged into court for sure on this, IMO.) Then there can be no question about the energy required to for their industrial process (need more data now from the ERV report).

      This story gets stranger by the day.

      • Ged

        Actually it isn’t that hard. It’s fairly easy to calculate how much energy is needed to heat any unit of water by any amount C (a calorie, for instance, is 1 gram of water heated by 1 C; water is foundational to our ideas of heat and energy). Flow rate is coming from the water company, so you will know without a doubt the cubic feet of water consumed, and steam pressure will tell you how much and well that is turned into steam if cubic feet isn’t enough. Then, you just look at your electric bill and see how much energy you put in to heat up that unit of water by that amount C.

        Since this is such an amazingly standardized process, anyone who has used a steam boiler will know a good range of values that the electrical consumption should meet–and just looking at industrial boiler specs would give a good idea on that. Compare that to what was consumed, and there you go.

        • LuFong

          You are right which is why we need to see how the steam measurements were made. But as you know Rossi and other LENR companies have a history of issues with steam measurement which is why I think the focus should be there.

          • Ged

            Absolutely. The ERV report better be robust on analyzing all that.

          • LuFong

            P.S. – I suspect the water is recycled so water company flow rates may not apply.

          • Ged

            That is possible. Which puts all the more importance on the company actually having been using the steam for some productive process as claimed. That will act as a potent standardization control for the usefulness of the steam.

          • wpj

            Of course it was; we saw the return pipes labeled on the pictures from the container (though you had to stand on your head [or turn the computer upside down] to read it).

          • wpj

            No way you can make styrene there; the environmental problems would be too enormous (have you ever smelt it neat? I have!). Additionally, it is make in a plant where there are various other chemicals made as part of an integrated set up. Even with an ecat, it is not economically viable as a stand alone product (I am a chemist and worked, at one time, with a consultancy that was specialised in large plant economics). It would have to be made in 1000s of tons to be viable and there is not way they would be allowed to make there.

      • artefact

        With the Defkalion “method” one could cheat the cop but with a COP of 50 from a real COP 1 there would not be comming a lot of steam out of the reactor.

    • Lux Terrea

      Can’t you just steal a copy of the gd report and post it here? Man, this is such bullshit..

      • LuFong

        Go for it. We’ll bail you out.

    • Mike Henderson

      Is Rossi pursuing a “Miracle on 34th Street” strategy to get a US Federal District Court judge to rule that Santa Claus (aka LENR) is real? Once that is established, the USPTO will be forced to reopen patents they previously rejected as “an impossible invention.” 😉

      I find it interesting the case was assigned to a 79 year old judge who is so highly respected that they named the courthouse after him while he is still alive.

      • Omega Z

        Rossi opted for a jury.

        • Ged

          You know, I was thinking about that. Rossi is pretty brazen to call for a jury, given how the public has been widely conditioned to disdain anything related to cold fusion. It is a pervasive bias against him, yet he still chose a jury. He must really be utterly confident in his position.

          • Omega Z

            Average American

            Cold Fusion? Huh,
            Pons and Fleischmann? Is that a new rock group or a Las Vegas Magic act.

            Ladies & Gentlemen of the Jury,
            This is Corporate America trying to take advantage of this poor old man.
            What say yee-?

          • US_Citizen71

            The magic words multi-billion dollar investment group is trying to fleece this hard working old man. He was force to work 16 hours a day for a year straight to please the corporate masters, who now want to take his invention away from him. In Florida they may want to hang the members of IH by the end of the trial.

          • SG

            As an American myself, sad but true. I actually think Mr. Rossi makes for a sympathetic plaintiff in the eyes of a jury. Big money steals invention from man who has devoted his life to bringing a promising energy source to the world.

          • psi2u2

            I agree that this choice resonates with a feeling of righteous indignation on Rossi’s part that seems hardly possible if he is not telling the more accurate story of what happened than IH is.

      • Ged

        And now it got reclassified to a patent case and given to another judge, however that new judge is still rather famous and was once considered for the Supreme Court (and is, oddly, not a patent judge). A jury trial will help.

    • Michael W Wolf

      Where is the 1mw reactor?

    • psi2u2

      Thank you, Mats. This is encouraging.

  • Ok, so this is what I heard from sources having visited the plant and talked to the customer (who could of course be an actor, playing his part in a scam…) – that JMC set up a production unit of the same kind that they already have in UK, although smaller. Given the experience from their units in the UK they knew perfectly well how much energy should be consumed and how much energy was needed to run the unit. At least one engineer was sceptical in the beginning, but soon found out that the consumed electric energy was much less than expected, using the E-Cat plant as energy source for the hot steam. And the customer was happy as a lark with this.

    I don’t know which the UK based company is, but I understood it’s not Johnson Matthey (which would have been a nice coincidence, since Johnson Matthey apparently once provided the working palladium samples to F&P), and as far as I know it has absolutely nothing to do with Hydrofusion.

    • Ged

      Very interesting, thank you Mats. Did the sources say anything about what they were producing? If even just the general industry they are in?

    • Lux Terrea

      Can’t you just steal a copy of the gd report and post it here? Man, this is such bullshit..

    • Mike Henderson

      Is Rossi pursuing a “Miracle on 34th Street” strategy to get a US Federal District Court judge to rule that Santa Claus (aka LENR) is real? Once that is established, the USPTO will be forced to reopen patents they previously rejected as “an impossible invention.” 😉

      I find it interesting the case was assigned to a 79 year old judge who is so highly respected that they named the courthouse after him while he is still alive.

      • Omega Z

        Rossi opted for a jury.

        • Ged

          You know, I was thinking about that. Rossi is pretty brazen to call for a jury, given how the public has been widely conditioned to disdain anything related to cold fusion. It is a pervasive bias against him, yet he still chose a jury. He must really be utterly confident in his position.

          • Omega Z

            Average American

            Cold Fusion? Huh,
            Pons and Fleischmann? Is that a new rock group or a Las Vegas Magic act.

            Ladies & Gentlemen of the Jury,
            This is Corporate America trying to take advantage of this poor old man.
            What say yee-?

          • US_Citizen71

            The magic words multi-billion dollar investment group is trying to fleece this hard working old man. He was force to work 16 hours a day for a year straight to please the corporate masters, who now want to take his invention away from him. In Florida they may want to hang the members of IH by the end of the trial.

          • SG

            As an American myself, sad but true. I actually think Mr. Rossi makes for a sympathetic plaintiff in the eyes of a jury. Big money steals invention from man who has devoted his life to bringing a promising energy source to the world.

          • psi2u2

            I agree that this choice resonates with a feeling of righteous indignation on Rossi’s part that seems hardly possible if he is not telling the more accurate story of what happened than IH is.

      • Ged

        And now it got reclassified to a patent case and given to another judge, however that new judge is still rather famous and was once considered for the Supreme Court (and is, oddly, not a patent judge). A jury trial will help.

    • Guest

      Did the people who visited the plant actually see any production? Or did they just talk to a customer who said their was production?

      Mats – we need your investigative journalism here! We look to you to find objective, supportable, facts!

    • Michael W Wolf

      Where is the 1mw reactor?

    • Joseph J

      A district heating / cooling company is still my thought.

    • psi2u2

      Thank you, Mats. This is encouraging.

  • Gawd, everyone is acting in such a cowardly manner. First Darden kept putting out those press releases with so much caution in the words, despite the fact that anyone who was paying attention could tell you that Darden totally believed that The E-Cat was the real deal. Now we have these cowardly people at this UK company who don’t want to be identified. Just come out with it, folks.

  • BillH

    At least one person has claimed to have been at the plant, go there now and take a local news camera crew….speak up now or be accused by silence.

  • I don’t get what has some people thinking this shell company arrangement
    is automatically fishy. There are good reasons for doing it this way that are obvious and not nefarious. For example, nobody wants
    undue attention put on the real company that is using the power all year long.
    The company behind the shell company can still be using the power for
    realzies and there still could be records of energy cost savings. Why not wait and see before judging?

  • Michael W Wolf

    Where is the 1mw reactor?

  • Mats002

    I like (who could of course be an actor, playing his part in a scam…)

    Mats you are not 100.0% certain of ‘Rossi says’?

    • Ged

      Looks like Rossi will have a lot of actor pay checks to cut!

    • In this case it was not Rossi who said. And the actor thing was just to give a hint on what a fraud hypothesis implies. Personally, I find it extremely hard to believe.

      • Bob Tivnan

        I agree Mats. Doesn’t this all boil down to, who is lying? It’s either Rossi or IH. There is no middle ground here. It seems unrealistic that Rossi could be weaving such an enormous web lies. He would have to be a brilliant psychopath. It seems much more likely that the self-described altruistic VC is the bad guy in this drama. Just my 2 cents.

      • Barbierir

        All the anti-Rossi trolls sound more and more as conspiracy theorists

        • Bob Tivnan

          When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth- Sherlock Holmes. It does seem improbable that Rossi is telling the truth given his history and the “too good to be true” nature of the E-Cat. On the other hand, it seems impossible that anybody could be this good at pulling the wool over our collective eyes. We shall see.

  • Mats002

    I like (who could of course be an actor, playing his part in a scam…)

    Mats you are not 100.0% certain of ‘Rossi says’?

    • Ged

      Looks like Rossi will have a lot of actor pay checks to cut!

    • In this case it was not Rossi who said. And the actor thing was just to give a hint on what a fraud hypothesis implies. Personally, I find it extremely hard to believe.

      • Bob Tivnan

        I agree Mats. Doesn’t this all boil down to, who is lying? It’s either Rossi or Darden. There is no middle ground here. It seems unrealistic that Rossi could be weaving such an enormous web lies. He would have to be a brilliant psychopath to perpetuate this story for so many years. It seems much more likely that the self-described altruistic VC is the bad guy in this drama. Just my 2 cents.

      • Barbierir

        All the anti-Rossi trolls sound more and more as conspiracy theorists

        • Bob Tivnan

          When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth- Sherlock Holmes. It does seem improbable that Rossi is telling the truth given his history and the “too good to be true” nature of the E-Cat. On the other hand, it seems impossible that anybody could be this good at pulling the wool over our collective eyes. We shall see.

  • Alan DeAngelis
    • Alan DeAngelis

      How it’s made. Fish food.
      http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x33vn65

      • Ged

        Now we know what they needed that steam for!

    • Alan DeAngelis
      • Ged

        What a lucrative field for the E-cat to dive into.

        • Alan DeAngelis

          And I would assume that the lawyers would be happier. Start out with fish food before moving on to food for humans.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            And if they aren’t making their fish food with E-Cats maybe they should.

    • US_Citizen71
      • LarryJ

        Since the ERV report might affect the juries perception is it not possible that we won’t see the ERV’s report for a year or two until the trial begins and maybe not even then until after it concludes.

      • Actually (just) feasible – JMC Aquatics operate out of a big tin warehouse on an industrial estate, of the type usually associated with plastics companies, DIY chains, flat-pack outlets and similar. There are a hundred or more tanks out on display, and warm rooms up and down the sides where tropical fish are bred in large numbers. The retail part of the warehouse is always warm inside, and their electricity bills must be immense.

        However none of this would square with the idea of setting up a small version of what is used in the UK, especially to test the 1MW e-cat.

        • US_Citizen71

          I doubt they setup a complete factory line myself, but a process or two that turns out something they could sell to another company I think is feasible.

      • Warthog

        Not unreasonable at all. That is precisely what “pilot plants” are for. As to the smell, I suggest taking some soap to your upper lip.

  • psi2u2

    Perfect, actually.

  • US_Citizen71

    Proof and truth sometimes have little to do with court cases in Florida, just ask Nancy Grace. ; )

  • nammfats

    JM Chemical Products is Johnson Matthey Chemical Products.

    • wpj

      Yes, we have been through all of this over and over again (I was the one who first suggested them) yet Mats Lewan says not.

      I have been through the directory of UK chemical companies this morning and, unfortunately, they are still the only credible option.

  • nammfats

    JM Chemical Products is Johnson Matthey Chemical Products.

    • wpj

      Yes, we have been through all of this over and over again (I was the one who first suggested them) yet Mats Lewan says not.

      I have been through the directory of UK chemical companies this morning and, unfortunately, they are still the only credible option.

  • LT

    Since we are trying to find out which was the customer of Rossi for the ECAT test I add my guesses to this blog (Yes, it really is guessing !)

    My estimate is that the customer is a rather large company. A small company has not the money to set up a test environment to test the usefulness of the ECAT nor the resources to set up a test environment itself. A small company can not take that risk.

    Rossi has stated that the company is located in the UK. It can be just an office or a production plant (He did not state I believe that the company was of Britics origin ?) He also stated that the company is operating in many countries in Europe. Again that indicates a rather large company, not a small entity.

    So we are trying to find a rather large company in Europe which uses steam in (some of) their production processes. So which processes in the industry are using steam ?
    Doing some search on the internet I come up with :

    – Wood industry (Wood pellets, etc)
    – Preparation of food for animals (For example Pet foods)
    – Chemical industry
    – Adding steam to improve combustion processes

    Analyzing the above possibilities we find :

    Wood industry

    Searching for companies in Europe which are in the business of using wood in their production processes reveals that most companies are single entities operating in just one country in Europe. So that discards the wood industry (Unless I overlooked some companies)

    Preparation of food for animals

    A search for those companies reveals the same pattern as for the wood industry, they are single entities (with the exception of sales offices). So this discards the foods for animals industry also

    Chemical industry

    Steam is used in a lot of chemical processes and many chemical companies have operations throughout Europe. So a Chemical company is certainly an option

    Adding steam to improve combustion processes

    That is just a method to improve the efficiency of the combustion process. I can not believe
    they set up such a test environment because the end result is even more heat then the ECAT generates, so what are you going to do with all this heat in your test environment. Rossi stated that it was a process.

    So in this deduction this leaves only the chemical industry as a viable option
    Now if you want to set up a test bed for a chemical process for the ECAT, you do not want to set up a complex test environment because the investment could if the ECAT fails be worthless.
    So it should be one of the most simple chemical processes which uses steam.
    A further search for such a process that one of the best processes suited for a test environment is the production of styrene. It is a very simple process using steam and requiring simple equipment. On the production of steam we quote from Wikipedia :

    production of styrene by dehydrogenation of ethylbenzene and

    Ethylbenzene is mixed in the gas phase with 10–15 times its volume in high-temperature steam, and passed over a solid catalyst bed

    Further search reveals that the steam should be at about 600 degree C. This might be on the
    high side for the standard ECAT, but process diagrams show that in the process the steam is
    post heated to bring it up to the right temperature
    So from all the guesses above we have :

    – It is a chemical company
    – Is located in many countries in Europe
    – It is represented in the UK
    – Is producing styrene

    If we search for such a company we come directly up with Eni Versalis
    I now qoute form their home site :

    Versalis, eni’s chemicals company, is also Italy’s largest Italian chemical company by
    sales, production volumes and number of employees. The company is on the cutting edge and
    continuously evolving and is one of the leading protagonists in the international chemicals industry.

    Note that as in many other cases with Rossi we have again an Italian connection !
    Eni Versalis has indeed locations throughout Europe, produces styrene and is also represented in the UK.

    And now we can explain something else. In an earlier post it was mentioned that on the same location as where the plant was thought to exist, the same address had also a marble industry.
    And the shipping info also listed stryrene. So maybe the marble industry is used as a cover
    for the use and/or production of styrene ?

    As with many other guesses on this blog, it most likely will turn out to be an other company.
    But I don’t want to withhold the above result of my search for the audience on this blog

    • LT

      In adition to the above :

      Eni Versalis has a styrene producing plant in Grangemouth in the UK

    • wpj

      No way you can make styrene there; the environmental problems would be too enormous (have you ever smelt it neat? I have!). Additionally, it is make in a plant where there are various other chemicals made as part of an integrated set up. Even with an ecat, it is not economically viable as a stand alone product (I am a chemist and worked, at one time, with a consultancy that was specialised in large plant economics). It would have to be made in 1000s of tons to be viable and there is not way they would be allowed to make there.

      • LT

        I just read the environmental information of styrene and agree with you that it is not stuff which you want to get in contact with.

        Concerning that it would not be economic viable, that maybe true, but if it is a demonstration set up to show that with the ECAT energy can be saved for that process, then you need only a small setup and it then has not to be economically viable. Rossi was indeed stating that it was a scaled down operation from a larger industrial process.

        Also the base ingredients (Ethylene/Butane) could for a demonstration project have been shipped to the facility instead of having been produced locally.
        In adition the shipping information mentioned in one of the comments in this blog for that location showed that styrene was involved. So there probably has been styrene at that location. (If they needed and applied for an environmental permit and if that was needed for that location I don’t know.

        • wpj

          Use of small quantities isn’t that problematic, though the stench is a pain. I’m sure that anyone using car fillers would recognise it (and someone filling cracks in marble!).

          I think the unit was for a fine or performance chemical rather than some dirt cheap bulk. It looks like they were setting this unit up in the factory anyway and the meeting persuaded them to try out the ecat rather than gas for the heating source.

          What interests me most is the three name changes to get away from “chemical” being in there. Clearly the wanted to hide themselves.

  • stefania conti

    never forget that great and powerful forces want to kill this discovery

  • Otto1923

    So this is a ‘pilot plant’ set up for the purpose of testing a production process? If so it may not have been intended to produce a product and may not exist beyond this test phase.

    Kind of like the ‘company’ itself.

    Sniff Sniff what’s that smell? Like burning rubber but not quite-

    • Warthog

      Not unreasonable at all. That is precisely what “pilot plants” are for. As to the smell, I suggest taking some soap to your upper lip.

  • wpj

    Use of small quantities isn’t that problematic, though the stench is a pain. I’m sure that anyone using car fillers would recognise it (and someone filling cracks in marble!).

    I think the unit was for a fine or performance chemical rather than some dirt cheap bulk. It looks like they were setting this unit up in the factory anyway and the meeting persuaded them to try out the ecat rather than gas for the heating source.

    What interests me most is the three name changes to get away from “chemical” being in there. Clearly the wanted to hide themselves.

  • Sandy

    The British customer might be a company that manufactures steam-powered room heaters; like these…
    http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/High-quality-competitive-price-sauna-room_1966285065.html

    It should not have taken a year to figure out that the E-Cat is an efficient means of producing steam to operate a steam-powered room heater.

    There are thousands of older buildings in the northeastern United States that have steam distribution systems and steam-powered heat radiators. Why are thousands of E-Cats not installed in those buildings? The delays are looking very suspicious.

  • Sandy

    The British customer might be a company that manufactures steam-powered room heaters; like these…
    http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/High-quality-competitive-price-sauna-room_1966285065.html

    It should not have taken a year to figure out that the E-Cat is an efficient means of producing steam to operate a steam-powered room heater.

    There are thousands of older buildings in the northeastern United States that have steam distribution systems and steam-powered heat radiators. Why are thousands of E-Cats not installed in those buildings? The delays are looking very suspicious.