Next Big Future — E-Cat Test a "Failure"

The Next Big Future website is reporting on the latest revelations from the court documents and media reports and have posted an article with the title “Rossi 1 Megawatt Energy Catalyzer is a failure after 3 years of testing by Industrial Heat”

The information in the article comes from the court documents filed by Rossi and media reports which have been discussed here at length in other posts here. There’s no new information presented in the body of the article that would support the headline, which takes a very definite position and comes to an interpretation of the events that could certainly be challenged based on information that has been published.

If Rossi and the E-Cat are going to be judged in the court of public opinion, then reports from non-LENR focused websites like Next Big Future could have a lot of sway.

The fact is that noone has seen the report yet, so it is extremely premature to declare it a failure (it was not a three-year test anyway), especially given the court filings which say the test was a definite success, so I would definitely discount the conclusion presented by Next Big Future here, unless we have further information.

  • Barbierir

    The title is a shame, it’s harder than the very IH press release and ignores all the rest

  • Barbierir

    The title is a shame, it’s harder than the very IH press release and ignores all the rest

  • PW

    I think that when the (positive) test report is not coming out within a week it is all over for Rossi and his E-cat …

    • SG

      It will go on. The LENR revolution will go forward regardless of whether the ERV report is published, and regardless of whether it is positive or negative. It is simply an idea whose time has come.

  • Pierre Beaulnes

    Posted on Next Big Future : Brian, met you in San Francisco a few years ago at the Personalized Life Extension Conference, have been following your work and conclusions/advices on various scientific subjects for years. Bur now I see your radical conclusion on something that has not unfolded yet, something that needs additional input from the two parties involved (have you taken a look at the minimalist statement from Darden regarding the lawsuit?) Sorry Brian but you lost me here. Personally, as with any issue, I will wait to see both sides before taking one. As for your credibility, it really took a hit here….
    Come on Brian! Darden has just filed a patent on LENR with the name of Rossi as the inventor !!!!! Things CANNOT be as clear cut as you say they are !!!!

    • Argon

      I just divorced from NextBigFutere via twitter. Simply too many failed shots on that site. Maybe lack of time to check backgrounds in hunt of news – and clicks.

      • roseland67

        Argon,
        Will you annul the divorce if NBF is found to be correct?
        Takes a lot of stones to do that

        • Omega Z

          I will Not annul the divorce as there was never a wedding.

          NBF is mostly a place of fantasy entertainment.

        • Argon

          Actualy I would not. He has been very effective digging news from various publications, but I got frustrated long ago on him publishing many early discoveries with bold statements without weighting viability or importance of them. I surely understand that his main goal is merely to do lots of updates to gain more clicks.
          IMO Rewarming rarely works if you asked 🙂

  • Snobben

    I think Rossi have to move very fast now if he want the world to belive in him… two months maximum, after that he is fried, and will never come back…

  • Snobben

    I think Rossi have to move very fast now if he want the world to belive in him… two months maximum, after that he is fried, and will never come back…

  • Oystein Lande

    It seems IH now think Rossi has commited fraud. But why did they wait three years to conclude on that? Why have not IH themselves filed a Court case against Rossi, If they concluded Fraud?

    I think they have got a better deal with Broullion and want out of the Rossi contract.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Read Mats recent article.

  • Do you believe every thing you read?
    No! Mr Rossi has Valid case Maybe.
    Who gives a cuss,If the E-X-cat Works
    If it does we all benefit, If not business as usual.

  • Do you believe every thing you read?
    No! Mr Rossi has Valid case Maybe.
    Who gives a cuss,If the E-X-cat Works
    If it does we all benefit, If not business as usual.

  • Mike403

    Watch this space .. The fat lady hasn’t sung yet!

  • gdaigle

    NextBig Future is feeling some wrath from readers. I hope that the Huffington Post does a fifth article on the E-Cat once the ERV report comes out. I trust their balanced reporting will cut through this legal morass and get to the most important issue, which is reporting on whether the technology works or not.

  • gdaigle

    NextBig Future is feeling some wrath from readers. I hope that the Huffington Post does a fifth article on the E-Cat once the ERV report comes out. I trust their balanced reporting will cut through this legal morass and get to the most important issue, which is reporting on whether the technology works or not.

  • psi2u2

    My thoughts exactly, Frank. The more I read the more convinced I am that the greatest risk in this instance is premature judgement about anything. I as much as anyone else credited Rossi’s association with Darden as a key indication of Rossi’s reliability. But I now see, also, that there are still many credible reasons to think that Rossi, and not IH/Darden, is the wronged party. This looks to be a very complicated legal and scientific and economic situation. You have to add the “economic” because of the world-historical implications of the LENR revolution. And one thing that seems very clear or should be clear to everyone is that that revolution is real, whatever the case happens with Rossi — and in those conditions it seems better to say that we need more facts to form a reliable conclusion than are now in evidence.

    • MasterBlaster7

      Exactly.

  • psi2u2

    My thoughts exactly, Frank. The more I read the more convinced I am that the greatest risk in this instance is premature judgement about anything. I as much as anyone else credited Rossi’s association with Darden as a key indication of Rossi’s reliability. But I now see, also, that there are still many credible reasons to think that Rossi, and not IH/Darden, is the wronged party. This looks to be a very complicated legal and scientific and economic situation. You have to add the “economic” because of the world-historical implications of the LENR revolution. And one thing that seems very clear or should be clear to everyone is that that revolution is real, whatever the case happens with Rossi — and in those conditions it seems better to say that we need more facts to form a reliable conclusion than are now in evidence.

    • MasterBlaster7

      Exactly.

  • Shiv Singh

    Kill the demons by a public demo. Why is Rossi not doing a public demo? All these will lick their venom, after the public demo.

    • SG

      He has done multiple public demos over the years, all with positive results. But few believed them. Only working products in the marketplace will resolve the ambiguity for the public. And Mr. Rossi understands that very well.

    • Joseph J

      Rosch Innovations did several public demos, do you believe them?
      http://rosch-innovations.de/

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Please, he has “demoed” it to death, the last a year long “test”

  • Heath

    Honestly, I really can’t stand NextBigFuture because of Brian Wang and his biases. He favors only positive stories about communist China to a fault and finds it neat to report a lot on military advancements by Russia and China. But when it comes to substantive stories, his reporting comes off as sociopathic and disconnected to everything that is covered which has made me skip his website altogether. If you want information on innovation, there are many far better alternatives.

    • Winebuff67

      Brian Wang is just another hack out there doing his best at disinformation and irresponsible reporting. Surprise surprise!

      • roseland67

        Wine buff,
        Brian Wang is not a hack,
        I find most of his postings worth reading.
        However, he has stimulated interest and conversation by doing what he did and that, after all, is what journalists do now.
        They most certainly do NOT pursue the truth or just report the facts, that is boring and doesn’t sell ads.

    • MasterBlaster7

      Hey Frank…

      You said

      “If Rossi and the E-Cat are going to be judged in the court of public
      opinion, then reports from non-LENR focused websites like E-Cat World
      could have a lot of sway.”

      Did you mean “like E-Cat World” or “like NextBigFuture”

      …cause isn’t E-Cat World LENR focused…or am I reading something wrong.

      • Frank Acland

        No you are right, my mistake. I will correct.

  • Heath

    Honestly, I really can’t stand NextBigFuture because of Brian Wang and his biases. He favors only positive stories about communist China to a fault and finds it neat to report a lot on military advancements by Russia and China. But when it comes to substantive stories, his reporting comes off as sociopathic and disconnected to everything that is covered which has made me skip his website altogether. If you want information on innovation, there are many far better alternatives.

  • Shiv Singh

    I am willing to believe IH, if they say that they are giving back that 60 million they took from the Chinese, they are breaking the bond with Brillouin, and they are retracting their patents.

    I can tell you that they are doing none of that.
    They are basically saying that they reinvented the device. While Rossi’s device does not work, their does.
    Darden should be sent to jail.

    • kdk

      I’m leaning towards your interpretation. I would want to know more before shipping anybody off, though.

    • psi2u2

      You should be a prosecuting attorney.

  • Shiv Singh

    I am willing to believe IH, if they say that they are giving back that 60 million they took from the Chinese, they are breaking the bond with Brillouin, and they are retracting their patents.

    I can tell you that they are doing none of that.
    They are basically saying that they reinvented the device. While Rossi’s device does not work, their does.
    Darden should be sent to jail.

    • kdk

      I’m leaning towards your interpretation. I would want to know more before shipping anybody off, though.

    • psi2u2

      You should be a prosecuting attorney.

  • Oystein Lande

    Rossi says commercial sales will start this year, and one or more e-cat heat plants will be delivered to Europe.

    Which would mean Rossi being a Fraud or not should easily be revealed long before any Court case starts between him and IH.

    May be IH got a better deal with Broullioun and plan to become a Rossi competitor….

    • kdk

      It would be kind of ironic if everyone thought the market was going to decide but instead it was a courtroom demonstration. If it takes a year to get something like this heard at trial or not, I don’t know.

      • Omega Z

        A “courtroom demonstration”
        I don’t think so…

    • roseland67

      Oystein,
      Again, “Rossi says”
      Hopefully this goes to court asap and the facts,
      Whatever they are, are brought to light.

      Again we wait

      • Oystein Lande

        Or it could take years:

        Interesting info on Florida litigation process:

        “The Defendant has to answer within a certain time (usually about three weeks). The Answer says what portions of the Complaint, if any, the defendant admits to, what the Defendant contests, what defenses the Defendant may have, and whether the Defendant has claims against the Plaintiff or any other party.”

        “If the Defendant doesn’t answer the Complaint, the court may enter a default judgment against the Defendant. If the Answer contains a counterclaim or a third-party complaint, the party against whom that claim is made also has to answer within a certain time.”

        “It’s hard to say how long all these steps will take in your case. The entire process can take from as little as six months, to as long as years. In the case of witnesses, you can be called to testify at any time from shortly after the event to the better part of a decade after it happened. Generally speaking, the less money at stake, and the more issues that can be resolved before trial, the smoother and faster the lawsuit will go.”

        Ref.
        http://boyerlawfirm.com/practice-areas/litigation/florida-civil-litigation/

  • Oystein Lande

    Rossi says commercial sales will start this year, and one or more e-cat heat plants will be delivered to Europe.

    Which would mean Rossi being a Fraud or not should easily be revealed long before any Court case starts between him and IH.

    May be IH got a better deal with Broullioun and plan to become a Rossi competitor….

    • kdk

      It would be kind of ironic if everyone thought the market was going to decide but instead it was a courtroom demonstration. If it takes a year to get something like this heard at trial or not, I don’t know.

      • Omega Z

        A “courtroom demonstration”
        I don’t think so…

    • roseland67

      Oystein,
      Again, “Rossi says”
      Hopefully this goes to court asap and the facts,
      Whatever they are, are brought to light.

      Again we wait

      • Oystein Lande

        Or it could take years:

        Interesting info on Florida litigation process:

        “The Defendant has to answer within a certain time (usually about three weeks). The Answer says what portions of the Complaint, if any, the defendant admits to, what the Defendant contests, what defenses the Defendant may have, and whether the Defendant has claims against the Plaintiff or any other party.”

        “If the Defendant doesn’t answer the Complaint, the court may enter a default judgment against the Defendant. If the Answer contains a counterclaim or a third-party complaint, the party against whom that claim is made also has to answer within a certain time.”

        “It’s hard to say how long all these steps will take in your case. The entire process can take from as little as six months, to as long as years. In the case of witnesses, you can be called to testify at any time from shortly after the event to the better part of a decade after it happened. Generally speaking, the less money at stake, and the more issues that can be resolved before trial, the smoother and faster the lawsuit will go.”

        Ref.
        http://boyerlawfirm.com/practice-areas/litigation/florida-civil-litigation/

  • Shiv Singh

    Next Big Future is a propaganda site. But I really want to see a public demo from Rossi.

    • MasterBlaster7

      Whoz propaganda? Elaborate.

  • Harvey Hamel

    Where do you suppose someone like Brian Wang got the test result data that would encourage him to release such a negative article?

    • kdk

      Cold fusion is bunk, and IH is a big company, therefore it must be a fraud.

    • Anon2012_2014

      “Where do you suppose someone like Brian Wang got the test result data that would encourage him to release such a negative article?”

      From the IH response on PRN Newswire to the Rossi allegations.

      Is it not obvious.

  • Harvey Hamel

    Where do you suppose someone like Brian Wang got the test result data that would encourage him to release such a negative article?

    • kdk

      Cold fusion is bunk, and IH is a big company, therefore it must be a fraud. That is the least possible bad sort of thinking going into it anyway.

    • Anon2012_2014

      “Where do you suppose someone like Brian Wang got the test result data that would encourage him to release such a negative article?”

      From the IH response on PRN Newswire to the Rossi allegations.

      Is it not obvious.

  • Winebuff67

    Brian Wang is just another hack out there doing his best at disinformation and irresponsible reporting. Surprise surprise!

    • roseland67

      Wine buff,
      Brian Wang is not a hack,
      I find most of his postings worth reading.
      However, he has stimulated interest and conversation by doing what he did and that, after all, is what journalists do now.
      They most certainly do NOT pursue the truth or just report the facts, that is boring and doesn’t sell ads.

    • catfish

      if he was saying what you wanted to hear, you’d praise him right now. That’s not fair to the man.

  • Jerry Soloman
    • roseland67

      Jerry,

      As Mats Lewan sees them,
      Hopefully he is right

  • Anon2012_2014

    Rossi’s lawyer started this media circus by unnecessarily filing a PRN-Newswire at the same time he filed the law suit. We wouldn’t have found about this suit but for a number of weeks normally, except that Rossi’s lawyer was advertising for financial support. Look at the headline “Cold Fusion Verified – Inventor Sues Industrial Heat”. It’s an advertisement!

    The press release from Rossi’s lawyer, like the complaint, was one sided — Rossi’s side.

    Of course IH was going to file a formal answer to the complaint.

    But once Rossi decided to air this out in public by placing a PRN-Newswire advertisement (which cost several hundred dollars), IH had no choice but to respond also on PRN to say that the allegations are baseless, i.e. their side.

    The fact is that this case should never have been adjudicated in the court of public opinion if Rossi actually cared about saving the world from a CO2 energy apocalypse.

    So what we get is negative press for the entire field of LENR while these two fight it out in public.

    It’s all bad for LENR. What did Rossi expect?

    Disaster.

  • Anon2012_2014

    Rossi’s lawyer started this media circus by unnecessarily filing a PRN-Newswire at the same time he filed the law suit. We wouldn’t have found about this suit but for a number of weeks normally, except that Rossi’s lawyer was advertising for financial support. Look at the headline “Cold Fusion Verified – Inventor Sues Industrial Heat”. It’s an advertisement!

    The press release from Rossi’s lawyer, like the complaint, was one sided — Rossi’s side.

    Of course IH was going to file a formal answer to the complaint.

    But once Rossi decided to air this out in public by placing a PRN-Newswire advertisement (which cost several hundred dollars), IH had no choice but to respond also on PRN to say that the allegations are baseless, i.e. their side.

    The fact is that this case should never have been adjudicated in the court of public opinion if Rossi actually cared about saving the world from a CO2 energy apocalypse.

    So what we get is negative press for the entire field of LENR while these two fight it out in public.

    It’s all bad for LENR. What did Rossi expect?

    Disaster.

  • MasterBlaster7

    Hey Frank…

    You said

    “If Rossi and the E-Cat are going to be judged in the court of public
    opinion, then reports from non-LENR focused websites like E-Cat World
    could have a lot of sway.”

    Did you mean “like E-Cat World” or “like NextBigFuture”

    …cause isn’t E-Cat World LENR focused…or am I reading something wrong.

    • Frank Acland

      No you are right, my mistake. I will correct.

  • Dr. Mike

    Did anyone notice that there was not word in the body of Brian’s article to support his headline? Perhaps Brian should review his high school journalism classes to see how to write a story that supports a headline?

    • MasterBlaster7

      Brian isn’t a journalist…he is a blogger. And, I think his article spotlights the perfect contrast between the two.

      Brian only read the chapter on “sensationalism” in his high school journalism class.

      Oh, and he also read a pamphlet on how to get blog clicks.

      • psi2u2

        These two posts perfectly summarize the thinking man or thinking woman’s response to shoddy displays of pseudo-skepticism from those parrotting the commonest opinions they can find.

  • Dr. Mike

    Did anyone notice that there was not word in the body of Brian’s article to support his headline? Perhaps Brian should review his high school journalism classes to see how to write a story that supports a headline?

    • MasterBlaster7

      Brian isn’t a journalist…he is a blogger. And, I think his article spotlights the perfect contrast between the two.

      Brian only read the chapter on “sensationalism” in his high school journalism class.

      Oh, and he also read a pamphlet on how to get blog clicks.

      • WaltC

        And the chapter on maxing out on advertisements and malware. My malwarebytes software has been warning like crazy lately on the NBF site.

      • psi2u2

        These two posts perfectly summarize the thinking man or thinking woman’s response to shoddy displays of pseudo-skepticism from those parrotting the commonest opinions they can find.

      • Robert Dorr

        You can immediately see where he (Brian) is coming from by the choice of photo he attached to the article (Rossi and Sterling). He is in the same league as Krivit, Ahern, Wright etc…

        • Just doing the job he was commissioned to do, I imagine. A bricklayer, not an architect.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Thank you Mats Lewan, for the good article below: Rossi should release the report immediately, before IH has time to influence the court to make it illegal to publish. Rossi must not let IH’s publicity gang overwhelm him or be silenced by the court.

    https://animpossibleinvention.com/2016/04/09/heres-my-hypothesis-on-the-rossi-ih-affair/

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Thank you Mats Lewan, for the good article below: Rossi should release the report immediately, before IH has time to influence the court to make it illegal to publish. Rossi must not let IH’s publicity gang overwhelm him or be silenced by the court.

    https://animpossibleinvention.com/2016/04/09/heres-my-hypothesis-on-the-rossi-ih-affair/

  • Well said Frank. And I’d like to say kudos to anyone who has been able to read every comment on ECat World in the past 4 days or so. I’m trying my damnedest!

  • jimbo92107

    I have challenged every god or magical being with a name to a fistfight, and still not a single one of them has showed up. Nor will they ever. Anybody care to bet?

    Now it is time for Andrea Rossi to show us his god. Bring out your 100-Watt Quark X powering a single 100-Watt incandescent light bulb all day long, a thing no battery could possibly do. We all know this could be arranged quite easily, no more excuses. Rossi himself claims to have plenty of resources. Can he power a light bulb?

    Andrea Rossi, you are now on the same waiting list as Jehovah, Allah, Thor, Santa Claus, and Wile E. Coyote.

    • timycelyn

      Dear Jimbo, may God bless you and in your endless travels, may fruit spring from your loins.

      This is old, tedious, and not helpful.

      • jimbo92107

        Yours didn’t show up, either.

        • timycelyn

          Keep taking the tablets, there’s a good chap…

      • Andy Kumar

        Timycelyn,
        Pray tell us why it is *tedious*. Nothing could be *simpler* and more helpful than lighting a 100W bulb. Is it that your belief system only thrives in the darkness and won’t survive the first ray of light?

        • The constant skeptic refrain of ‘show me’ is tedious – and that is all jimbo92107’s comment amounts to, even though it takes him three paragraphs of blather to get there.

          • timycelyn

            Precisely! I think what is especially wearing is the hypocritical disengenuinity.

    • Obvious

      My brother witnessed a man threatening God to fight like a man, whereupon the man fell from the roof.

  • jimbo92107

    I have challenged every god or magical being with a name to a fistfight, and still not a single one of them has showed up. Nor will they ever. Anybody care to bet?

    Now it is time for Andrea Rossi to show us his god. Bring out your 100-Watt Quark X powering a single 100-Watt incandescent light bulb all day long, a thing no battery could possibly do. We all know this could be arranged quite easily, no more excuses. Rossi himself claims to have plenty of resources. Can he power a light bulb?

    Andrea Rossi, you are now on the same waiting list as Jehovah, Allah, Thor, Santa Claus, and Wile E. Coyote.

    • timycelyn

      Dear Jimbo, may God bless you and in your endless travels, may fruit spring from your loins.

      This is old, tedious, and not helpful.

      • jimbo92107

        Yours didn’t show up, either.

        • timycelyn

          Keep taking the tablets, there’s a good chap…

      • Andy Kumar

        Timycelyn,
        Pray tell us why it is *tedious*. Nothing could be *simpler* and more helpful than lighting a 100W bulb. Is it that your belief system only thrives in the darkness and won’t survive the first ray of light?

        • The constant skeptic refrain of ‘show me’ is tedious – and that is all jimbo92107’s comment amounts to, even though it takes him three paragraphs of blather to get there.

          • timycelyn

            Precisely! I think what is especially wearing is the hypocritical disengenuinity.

          • Alex Fenrick

            Agaricus. your point drips of error, irony and redundancy all at the same time. Someone asking “show me” to substantiate proof of a claim they believe is not true due to lack of said proof….is by all means and measure a skeptic by the very definition. To point out the obvious makes little sense in this context. Then add the fact that this skepticism is tedious to you, while the very reason there is skepticism to begin with is a lack of proof we have been eagerly awaiting. Without dreamers we would have little invention…without skeptics we would have little other than dreams.

          • timycelyn

            Either disingenuous or not paying attention. I’ll be kind and assume the latter. So, wearily, here we go again. Please sit up straight and pay attention:

            “Show us!” they cry.

            So he shows them.

            “Wow, it really works, how clever of you!” They all say

            Except a couple who have had it off on their legs out the back door as fast as they can go to the patent office…

            In addition, there is no faster way of invalidating your own IP if still in draft than prior disclosure.

            ———–
            Of course, he could cobble together a demo of yesterday’s technology, say lying fully within the scope of the granted patent.

            WTF should he?!!

            He already has clients out the whazoo, queuing down the street and around several blocks, even for the industrial unit. What would he get?:

            1. Lots of applause from the peanut gallery (like he really needs that). I doubt he would even give a monkey’s if it was a route to a Nobel Prize – he doesn’t care about that BS.

            2. All the pathotards would still be unconvinced, and for those of us in the blogosphere we would still have to read their ever more improbable conspiracy/magic circle drivel.

            3. Extra pressure to deliver more product than he can hope to manufacture. His automated plant may be big, but we are talking about potential demand on a world-wide level. The LAST thing he wants is to steepen the climb of the demand curve any more than it is already.

          • Yup, spot on. We need to assign the above to an F-key..

          • Andy Kumar

            Agaricus,
            The inventor says that he can walk on water, cross rivers and oceans. A few of his friends vouch for it. You are happy to believe. We say “show” us if you can walk across a swimming pool. Is it so unreasonable.
            .
            Now that Darden has outmaneuvered him, making $100M for himself and giving him a mere $10M for his troubles, the inventor is getting angry. Rossi should have known that Darden plays in the bigger leagues.

    • Obvious

      My brother witnessed a man threatening God to fight like a man, whereupon the man fell from the roof.

      • Andy Kumar

        Obvious,
        Do you think that God is really that “petty” to take offense so easily.

        • Obvious

          I can’t be the judge of that.

        • Omega Z

          I can’t judge if God is really that “petty”. I do know he gave man free will so I guess indirectly, you could blame God for the man drinking a fifth of whiskey before climbing up on the roof.

  • roseland67

    Jerry,

    As Mats Lewan sees them,
    Hopefully he is right

  • pg

    APCO Worldwide is warming up.

  • Argon

    I just divorced from NextBigFutere via twitter. Simply too many failed shots on that site. Maybe lack of time to check backgrounds in hunt of news – and clicks.

  • catnv

    In all of this I am very curious why we have heard very little from Brillouin. Ever since their demonstration they seem to have gone silent.

    • US_Citizen71

      Cease and desist letter from Rossi’s lawyer, maybe?

  • catnv

    In all of this I am very curious why we have heard very little from Brillouin. Ever since their demonstration they seem to have gone silent.

    • US_Citizen71

      Cease and desist letter from Rossi’s lawyer, maybe?

  • Albert D. Kallal

    Like it or not, many sites that were “skeptical” of Rossi’s ecat, but were waiting with “open”
    minds for (what they consider) credible information about the ecat.

    With the press release from IH, then many a sites are publishing this statement along with the
    ecat being dead.

    The popular and well run (and well respected) Watts up with that also posted and took IH’s press release at face value.

    E-Cat crumbles: “Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to substantiate the results …
    without success.”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/04/07/e-cat-crumbles-industrial-heat-has-worked-for-over-three-years-to-substantiate-the-results-without-success/

    It is a bold position to take in pubic that IH not been able to validate the ecat, and unfortunately
    it is a blow to Rossi. Either IH is very correct, or very wrong. This would suggest that IH’s feels the ERV means nothing (was not valid), or some other reason exists for their position.

    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada

    • Barbierir

      The amount of bias, ignorance, hate, arrogance and trolling never ceases to amaze me and it’s also a little frightening. I’ve already seen it at work in other debated fields and I’ve become acquainted with that mindset. I’m glad that for once in a while the matter is going to be definitely settled by a product on the market.

    • cashmemorz

      Could PR and crisis management firm APCO Worldwide influence the story on http://nextbigfuture.com and other sites?

    • Anthony Watts is in the impossible physics camp of the Rossi device. He grudgingly gave me permission to write a couple of posts on it, and revoked that until a truly independent review is made. (I agree with him that too many people involved with the Lugano report had earlier ties to previous work.)

      I don’t know if Anthony knew that Eric Worrall was writing an E-Cat post, or if Eric was aware of my earlier posts.

      I and others manage to tack in a few E-Cat notes and news in comments on other posts, especially Anthony’s “Open Thread” posts.

      • Albert D. Kallal

        Well, first, it does help if one been following this story since Rossi arrived on the scene. This bread crumb trail of bits and parts is what allows one to string together a reasonable story to believe in the ecat.

        In other words, one document, one statement, one press release etc. is NOT enough to make an informed decision on the ecat.

        The lack of independence on such statements and the ERV is an HUGE stumbling block – and I rightly respect that position.

        This “string” of tid bits DOES bode well for the ecat, but THESE tid bits take much time and research. And such tid bits taken separately are not independent testimony that can satisfy skeptics.

        The ERV report (at this point in time) is not independent enough for by-standers on this issue. In fact right now its hardly independent enough for me!

        And the chemical company and plant from Europe? Did they already have a working factory here, or did they build one? So time for assembling such a plant does seem short. So the mystery surrounding this “industrial plant” using the heat is another sore point.

        I can well understand such a company wanting NDA, and not wanting to be public. Once again this requirement plays into the hands of skeptics.

        To be fair, the ERV report was not really for public consumption, but if parties involved were made public, the we are able to judge the value of this report. So what the factory does and who owns it is rather important.

        Most damming however is IH dragging its feet on finding a test customer. This issue is simple since such an action would start the clock on payment of 90 million. So Rossi was quite much forced to push this issue and find a suitable partner. I mean, after one month of running, the parties likely knew the plant was a success (or was not.). I suspect Rossi stayed in the plant not to run it, but protect it from theft! I mean, what factory runs 16 hours a day? A standard factory shift is 8 hours, so why run the plant for two shifts? (again, if a standard factory, then sure, two shifts makes sense, or Rossi was simply guarding the plant!).

        We don’t (yet) have details of the ERV and where the ecat reactor been running for the last year. Such details will add or remove credibility to the ERV report.

        During the yearlong test Rossi on occasions stated the customer is very happy with energy savings and Rossi stated several times that the plant is running very well. And statements about long SSM modes again supports that the plant was achieving a high COP. So once again, “bread crumbs” suggests that the plant was working well.

        In regards to WUWT? I have great respect for that site and the vigorous work they done exposing the global warming fraud. However, I do think Anthony been too cautious on LENR, and the irony is if LENR is real then we might not need his site anymore since LENR absolutely kills the global warming scare! So there is some irony here!

        Anyone not having spent large amounts of time following Rossi simply cannot (and should not) believe Rossi – it is that simple! So to outsiders Rossi is a no go (and this makes sense).

        On WUWT I dare say my surprise comes from so many not accepting LENR – that’s a 100% separate issue from Rossi. A simple bit of research and one can rather easily conclude that our man’s output of CO2 is not causing some warming problem, and that same amount of research will allow one to easily conclude that LENR is the real deal.

        In fact I find it astounding that so many still cannot wrap their heads around that LENR is real.

        I wish Rossi would toss us a bone and setup an ecat-x running on some table at an news organization – with a web streaming camera.

        Rossi’s need for security is hurting public acceptance of the ecat, but for Rossi that is of zero matter – delivering a working product is key, and nothing else really matters.

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • Albert D. Kallal

    Like it or not, many sites that were “skeptical” of Rossi’s ecat, but were waiting with “open”
    minds for (what they consider) credible information about the ecat.

    With the press release from IH, then many a sites are publishing this statement along with the
    ecat being dead.

    The popular and well run (and well respected) Watts up with that also posted and took IH’s press release at face value.

    E-Cat crumbles: “Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to substantiate the results …
    without success.”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/04/07/e-cat-crumbles-industrial-heat-has-worked-for-over-three-years-to-substantiate-the-results-without-success/

    It is a bold position to take in pubic that IH not been able to validate the ecat, and unfortunately
    it is a blow to Rossi. Either IH is very correct, or very wrong. This would suggest that IH’s feels the ERV means nothing (was not valid), or some other reason exists for their position.

    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada

    • Barbierir

      The amount of bias, ignorance, hate, arrogance and trolling never ceases to amaze me and it’s also a little frightening. I’ve already seen it at work in other debated fields and I’ve become acquainted with that mindset. I’m glad that for once in a while the matter is going to be definitely settled by a product on the market.

    • cashmemorz

      Could PR and crisis management firm APCO Worldwide influence the story on http://nextbigfuture.com and other sites?

    • that’s just a climate change denier propaganda site that is not well respected nor popular so no problem there if they get the story wrong.

      • bachcole

        I resemble that remark.

      • Not well respected? Certainly not in some circles, though some of its critics also respect it. Nor popular? Only when compared to different subjects, e.g. Taylor Swift or the Kardashian family sites. Within the climate change community WUWT gets far more page views than any other site.

        As for propaganda, please take a look at http://wattsupwiththat.com/author/ricwerme and point out what offends you. The best articles to look at are my historical pieces, my favorites are https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/11/10/35-years-ago-the-witch-of-november-come-stealin/ and https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/21/weather-before-and-after-the-hurricane-of-1938/

      • Albert D. Kallal

        Not popular?

        WUWT is BY FAR THE MOST visited climate site on the internet – and BY A COUNTRY MILE in this regards.

        How can you possible stand here and make such a statement?

        If WUWT is not a popular climate site, then PLEASE TELL everyone what climate site is popular and EVEN CLOSE ND IN THE SAME BALLPARK as WUWT?

        WUWT is more popular then discover magazine!

        https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/14/wuwt-status-report-now-more-popular-than-discover-magazine/

        And discover magazine is NOT a climate only site

        WUWT is clearly the GOLD standard when it comes to climate issues and global warming.

        WUWT been voted the best science blog 3 years in a row 2011, 2012, 2013. And that was with fair and open competition.

        It is OF VERY LITTLE use to argue facts like 2 = 2, or in this case that WUWT is not a popular climate site. The fact that you willing to state otherwise in public suggests some serious shortcomings on your part.

        Now something being popular or not does not make such a site MORE wrong, or MORE right. However, facts are facts, and by any metric and by any REASONABLE intellectual thought process, WUWT is popular and has HUGE traffic compared to climate sites.

        I would suggest you spend some time reading on that site and posting. Unlike most climate sites that censor opposing views, you are free to engage in debates there. In fact in the past few years a good number of climate sites promoting global warming have shut down due to lack of interest where as WUWT remains top of the mountain in terms of traffic.

        You have to back up your claim of NOT popular by telling me what climate site(s) are more popular? (there are none).

        The traffic and popular of that site DWARFS all other climate sites combined (on either side of this issue).

        You conclusion does not fit based on readily available information and data.

        MORE important LENR holds a set of keys to ending the Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming debate.

        In fact it was my interest in climate and WUWT that brought me here. LENR can kill the whole CO2 debate and nully the whole global warming movement.

        So work by Watts and Ric Werme etc. brought me to ECW.

        In fact, in a strange way, if LENR is true, then you don’t need IH and Cherokee investments anymore do you?

        Since we ALREADY have a clean energy, then for what reason would you invest in a green fund promoting clean energy when we already have such a solution?

        With LENR you don’t need green environmental energy funds anymore and it is the end of the line for IH and et al.

        Anyway, please do back up your public claim that WUWT is not a popular site.

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada
        kallal@msn.com

    • Anthony Watts is in the impossible physics camp of the Rossi device. He grudgingly gave me permission to write a couple of posts on it, and revoked that until a truly independent review is made. (I agree with him that too many people involved with the Lugano report had earlier ties to previous work.)

      I don’t know if Anthony knew that Eric Worrall was writing an E-Cat post, or if Eric was aware of my earlier posts.

      I and others manage to tack in a few E-Cat notes and news in comments on other posts, especially Anthony’s “Open Thread” posts.

      • Albert D. Kallal

        Well, first, it does help if one been following this story since Rossi arrived on the scene. This bread crumb trail of bits and parts is what allows one to string together a reasonable story to believe in the ecat.

        In other words, one document, one statement, one press release etc. is NOT enough to make an informed decision on the ecat.

        The lack of independence on such statements and the ERV is an HUGE stumbling block – and I rightly respect that position.

        This “string” of tid bits DOES bode well for the ecat, but THESE tid bits take much time and research. And such tid bits taken separately are not independent testimony that can satisfy skeptics.

        The ERV report (at this point in time) is not independent enough for by-standers on this issue. In fact right now its hardly independent enough for me!

        And the chemical company and plant from Europe? Did they already have a working factory here, or did they build one? So time for assembling such a plant does seem short. So the mystery surrounding this “industrial plant” using the heat is another sore point.

        I can well understand such a company wanting NDA, and not wanting to be public. Once again this requirement plays into the hands of skeptics.

        To be fair, the ERV report was not really for public consumption, but if parties involved were made public, the we are able to judge the value of this report. So what the factory does and who owns it is rather important.

        Most damming however is IH dragging its feet on finding a test customer. This issue is simple since such an action would start the clock on payment of 90 million. So Rossi was quite much forced to push this issue and find a suitable partner. I mean, after one month of running, the parties likely knew the plant was a success (or was not.). I suspect Rossi stayed in the plant not to run it, but protect it from theft! I mean, what factory runs 16 hours a day? A standard factory shift is 8 hours, so why run the plant for two shifts? (again, if a standard factory, then sure, two shifts makes sense, or Rossi was simply guarding the plant!).

        We don’t (yet) have details of the ERV and where the ecat reactor been running for the last year. Such details will add or remove credibility to the ERV report.

        During the yearlong test Rossi on occasions stated the customer is very happy with energy savings and Rossi stated several times that the plant is running very well. And statements about long SSM modes again supports that the plant was achieving a high COP. So once again, “bread crumbs” suggests that the plant was working well.

        In regards to WUWT? I have great respect for that site and the vigorous work they done exposing the global warming fraud. However, I do think Anthony been too cautious on LENR, and the irony is if LENR is real then we might not need his site anymore since LENR absolutely kills the global warming scare! So there is some irony here!

        Anyone not having spent large amounts of time following Rossi simply cannot (and should not) believe Rossi – it is that simple! So to outsiders Rossi is a no go (and this makes sense).

        On WUWT I dare say my surprise comes from so many not accepting LENR – that’s a 100% separate issue from Rossi. A simple bit of research and one can rather easily conclude that our man’s output of CO2 is not causing some warming problem, and that same amount of research will allow one to easily conclude that LENR is the real deal.

        In fact I find it astounding that so many still cannot wrap their heads around that LENR is real.

        I wish Rossi would toss us a bone and setup an ecat-x running on some table at an news organization – with a web streaming camera.

        Rossi’s need for security is hurting public acceptance of the ecat, but for Rossi that is of zero matter – delivering a working product is key, and nothing else really matters.

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

        • Brief notes:

          Thank goodness (err, thank Frank) for e-catworld. Trying to keep up with Rossi’s tidbits at his blog took more time than I had! Despite Rossi’s remarkable (and foolish?) openness, there is a lot he hasn’t passed on.

          The claim that IH dragged their feet on finding a test customer is interesting. The fact that the 1 MW plant required 16 hours a day from Rossi suggests to me that it was not ready for prime time. Or it could just be a convenient platform for Rossi to study for a full year. I lean to the former. OTOH, it’s clear, especially later in the test he had time for things like the E-Cat-X. I’d love to see the “console log” for the test system….

          Clearly, Rossi et al kept it running. Customers happy with their electric bill trump almost any other measurement device. For IH to say it doesn’t work is bizarre.

          The reaction to Rossi at WUWT is curious. I don’t have trouble with people saying it can’t work, but climate skeptics have done a good job showing all sides of climate science (and measurements) need to be investigated. That should be applied to Rossi’s work too. The physics that comes undone, or more correctly, the physics that needs to be extended is a tougher pill to swallow, but abandoning what should be fascinating research to an inventor or industrialist like Rossi is not Rossi’s problem.

          Like you say, “delivering a working product is key, and nothing else really matters.”

  • Just doing the job he was commissioned to do, I imagine. A bricklayer, not an architect.

  • Zephir

    Fabiani works for IH. He said “it” worked. We know Fabiani was talking about the 1mw reactor. Their own lead engineer says the 1mw reactor works. Why won’t they just say what you think they said? Industrial Heat wouldn’t struggle to patent the failed technology on its very own, as Andrea Rossi objects by now… The true is, I still haven’t see these patent applications, though…

    • Please, m for milli (10^-3), M for mega (10^6)

      (And it’s W and watts – first capitalized, second not.)

  • Zephir

    Fabiani works for IH. He said “it” worked. We know Fabiani was talking about the 1Mwatt reactor. Their own lead engineer says the 1Mwatt reactor works. Why won’t they just say what you think they said? Industrial Heat wouldn’t struggle to patent the failed technology on its very own, as Andrea Rossi objects by now… The true is, I still haven’t see these patent applications, though…

    • Please, m for milli (10^-3), M for mega (10^6)

      (And it’s W and watts – first capitalized, second not.)

  • Frechette

    If Darden and IH knew for 3 years it was all fraud why did they convince the UK investment house Woodford to make a $50 million investment in IH. They may end up as a defendant in a criminal court.

  • So, they take the word of someone who stands to lose eighty-nine million bucks, if he’s wrong, and report it as fact, even though the actual ERV report has not been released to the public, yet. It’s difficult to believe that these clowns did not know better than to post that article. I guess Rossi and Rossi’s lawyer can file another suit – this time against Next Big Future.

  • Frechette

    The science will win out in the end and we know LENR has been replicated internationally as well as the US.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    “Although there does seem to be solid evidence of low levels
    of excess heat from cold fusion, the larger claims of commercial levels of energy seem to clearly be fraudulent.”

    Aye laddie, she’s just a wee bit pregnant.

    • There goes another straw – quick, grab it!

  • Alan DeAngelis

    “Although there does seem to be solid evidence of low levels
    of excess heat from cold fusion, the larger claims of commercial levels of energy seem to clearly be fraudulent.”

    Aye laddie, she’s just a wee bit pregnant.

    • “There goes another straw – quick, grab it!”

  • If IH is telling the truth all they need to do is release the ERV report and the utility records of the site.

    • Robert Dorr

      If Rossi’s 1 MW plant was essentially putting out no excess heat from the beginning and he had to guarantee a COP somewhere between 2.5 and 6 for at least 350 days out of 400 it would have taken only a couple of months, maximum, to reach the point on no return to realize he would never reach the agreed to COP minimum, no matter how high he could get the COP up to and yet I.H. seemed fit to let the 1 MW plant continue to run costing who knows how much money to continue a failure. It just doesn’t make sense.

    • SG

      I’ve had the same thought. Mr. Rossi’s desire to get the information into the sunlight speaks volumes, as does IH’s apparent dragging of the feet so to speak.

    • Our opinion is unimportant. Rossi is probably saving the report and data for the court case.

      • SG

        That would make sense, and a much more credible way of releasing it.

  • timycelyn

    Either disingenuous or not paying attention.

    “Show us!” they cry.

    So he shows them.

    “Wow, it really works, how clever of you!” They all say

    Except a couple who have had it off on their legs out the back door as fast as they can go to the patent office…

    In addition, there is no faster way of invalidating your own IP if still in draft than prior disclosure.

    ———–
    Of course, he could cobble together a demo of yesterday’s technology, say lying fully within the scope of the granted patent.

    WTF should he?!!

    He already has clients out the whazoo, queuing down the street and around several blocks, even for the industrial unit. What would he get?:

    1. Lots of applause from the peanut gallery (like he really needs that). I doubt he would even give a monkey’s if it was a route to a Nobel Prize – he doesn’t care about that BS.

    2. All the pathotards would still be unconvinced, and for those of us in the blogosphere we would still have to read their ever more improbable conspiracy/magic circle drivel.

    3. Extra pressure to deliver more product than he can hope to manufacture. His automated plant may be big, but we are talking about potential demand on a world-wide level. The LAST thing he wants is to steepen the climb of the demand curve any more than it is already.

    • Yup, spot on. We need to assign the above to an F-key..

  • Obvious

    I can’t be the judge of that.

  • Mark Underwood

    Like Schrodinger’s cat, Rossi’s E-Cat seems to be in a superposition of alive and dead states.

    • Perhaps our collective expectations will resolve the duality in e-cat’s favour.

      • Mark Underwood

        Hehe, well like Schrodinger I’m not not really a fan of the superposition of possible states type of theory, just using it for some levity. To me the cat is either dead or alive in that box before it is opened. And I anticipate that the e-Cat is alive and well. Heck I downright believe the e-Cat is alive and well in that box.

        • I have a feeling that the superposition will be collapsed fairly quickly – at least that seems to be Rossi’s intent now.

          Levity definitely seems to be in rather short supply at the moment, even if speculation isn’t!

  • Mark Underwood

    Like Schrodinger’s cat, Rossi’s E-Cat seems to be in a superposition of alive and dead states.

    • Perhaps our collective expectations will resolve the duality in e-cat’s favour.

      • Mark Underwood

        Hehe, well like Schrodinger I’m not not really a fan of the superposition of possible states type of theory, just using it for some levity. To me the cat is either dead or alive in that box before it is opened. And I anticipate that the e-Cat is alive and well. Heck I downright believe the e-Cat is alive and well in that box.

        • I have a feeling that the superposition will be collapsed fairly quickly – at least that seems to be Rossi’s intent now.

          Levity definitely seems to be in rather short supply at the moment, even if speculation isn’t!

  • Omega Z

    I can’t judge if God is really that “petty”. I do know he gave man free will so I guess indirectly, you could blame God for the man drinking a fifth of whiskey before climbing up on the roof.

  • Omega Z

    I will Not annul the divorce as there was never a wedding.

    NBF is mostly a place of fantasy entertainment.

  • Argon

    Actualy I would not. He has been very effective digging news from various publications, but I got frustrated long ago on him publishing many early discoveries with bold statements without weighting viability or importance of them. I surely understand that his main goal is merely to do lots of updates to gain more clicks.
    IMO Rewarming rarely works if you asked 🙂

  • Not well respected? Certainly not in some circles, though some of its critics also respect it. Nor popular? Only when compared to different subjects, e.g. Taylor Swift or the Kardashian family sites. Within the climate change community WUWT gets far more page views than any other site.

    As for propaganda, please take a look at http://wattsupwiththat.com/author/ricwerme and point out what offends you. The best articles to look at are my historical pieces, my favorites are https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/11/10/35-years-ago-the-witch-of-november-come-stealin/ and https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/21/weather-before-and-after-the-hurricane-of-1938/

  • Albert D. Kallal

    Not popular?

    WUWT is BY FAR THE MOST visited climate site on the internet – and BY A COUNTRY MILE in this regards.

    How can you possible stand here and make such a statement?

    If WUWT is not a popular climate site, then PLEASE TELL everyone what climate site is popular and EVEN CLOSE ND IN THE SAME BALLPARK as WUWT?

    WUWT is more popular then discover magazine!

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/14/wuwt-status-report-now-more-popular-than-discover-magazine/

    And discover magazine is NOT a climate only site

    WUWT is clearly the GOLD standard when it comes to climate issues and global warming.

    WUWT been voted the best science blog 3 years in a row 2011, 2012, 2013. And that was with fair and open competition.

    It is OF VERY LITTLE use to argue facts like 2 = 2, or in this case that WUWT is not a popular climate site. The fact that you willing to state otherwise in public suggests some serious shortcomings on your part.

    Now something being popular or not does not make such a site MORE wrong, or MORE right. However, facts are facts, and by any metric and by any REASONABLE intellectual thought process, WUWT is popular and has HUGE traffic compared to climate sites.

    I would suggest you spend some time reading on that site and posting. Unlike most climate sites that censor opposing views, you are free to engage in debates there. In fact in the past few years a good number of climate sites promoting global warming have shut down due to lack of interest where as WUWT remains top of the mountain in terms of traffic.

    You have to back up your claim of NOT popular by telling me what climate site(s) are more popular? (there are none).

    The traffic and popular of that site DWARFS all other climate sites combined (on either side of this issue).

    You conclusion does not fit based on readily available information and data.

    MORE important LENR holds a set of keys to ending the Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming debate.

    In fact it was my interest in climate and WUWT that brought me here. LENR can kill the whole CO2 debate and nully the whole global warming movement.

    So work by Watts and Ric Werme etc. brought me to ECW.

    In fact, in a strange way, if LENR is true, then you don’t need IH and Cherokee investments anymore do you?

    Since we ALREADY have a clean energy, then for what reason would you invest in a green fund promoting clean energy when we already have such a solution?

    With LENR you don’t need green environmental energy funds anymore and it is the end of the line for IH and et al.

    Anyway, please do back up your public claim that WUWT is not a popular site.

    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada
    kallal@msn.com

  • GordonDocherty

    If the e-Cat doesn’t work, why do IH want to hold on to their claim about “owning” the IP? Let me guess. They know a way to “fix it”. Yeah, right.

  • GordonDocherty

    If the e-Cat doesn’t work, why do IH want to hold on to their claim about “owning” the IP? Let me guess. They know a way to “fix it”. Yeah, right.