E-Cat 1MW Plant Test Results Watch Thread (Update #6 — AR: Report 26 Pages Long, Hopes For Release "As Soon as Possible")

We had a LONG thread dedicated to the 1MW E-Cat plant results thread, which we were finally able to put to bed when the test was announced to be completed on February 17th, 2016.

I hope now we can have a much shorter thread as we now wait for the results of the test. It’s a high-stakes time, and I would imagine quite high pressure for all involved, as E-Cat technology could prove to be revolutionary, and disruptive in many ways to the existing order of things throughout the world in terms of energy production.

UPDATE #6 (April 20th, 2016)

Andrea Rossi was asked today on the JONP how many pages long the ERV report is. Here is his response:

Andrea Rossi
April 20, 2016 at 7:30 AM
Stefania Conti:
1- the report has been written by the ERV accepted and paid both by IH and Leonardo Corp
2- the ERV is a nuclear engineer (doctorate obtained from the Unoversity of Bologna with 110/110 summa cum laude)
3- the ERV has experience of nuclear power plants and of certifications and validations; has worked with Bureau Veritas and CGS
4- the report is the synopsis of 12 600 000 data: to have an idea of what this means, printing these data on paper it would need 66 000 pages
The whole has been resumed in 26 pages of report. I hope my attorney will give me green light as soon as possible
Warm Regards,
A.R.

UPDATE #5

While we wait for something official to be published, I guess we’ll have to take any scrap of information we can get. Here’s a Q&A from the JONP today:

Dear Andrea:
Can you say, at least, if the COP measured in the Report is higher than 1.5 ?

Andrea Rossi
April 3, 2016 at 10:40 PM
Maggie:
Yes, I can say that.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Even if the very lowest overall COP achieved was 1.51 (1.51 times more energy output than input over the course of a 352 day test), it would make this test a massive success if we compare it to any hot fusion test that has been carried out so far, where the best result been able to achieve more energy output than input for a fraction of a second.

UPDATE #4

Andrea Rossi has provided a bit of a profile of the ERV:

Rex
March 29, 2016 at 10:58 PM
Dr Andrea Rossi:
Can you give us the characteristics of the ERV ?
1- age AR: around 50- 55
2- education: AR: Doctorate in Nuclear Engineering
3- professional experience AR: Nuclear Power Plants
4- has also due experience in certification of plants? AR: yes
5- who paid his work and all his expenses ? AR: fifty-fifty Leonardo Corporation and Industrial Heat
Thank you if you can answer,
Regards
Rex

UPDATE #3

Andrea Rossi made this announcement on the Journal of Nuclear Physics Today:

Andrea Rossi
March 29, 2016 at 1:44 PM
DEAR READERS:
WE HAVE RECEIVED RIGHT NOW THE ERV’S REPORT WHICH HAS BEEN DELIVERED TO INDUSTRIAL HEAT AND TO MYSELF.
While I cannot release the report publicaly at this time, I can state that I am very pleased with the results.
I hope that Industrial Heat and I will be able to release the report publicaly in the near future.
May God help us for the hard work waiting for us all.
Warm Regards,
Dr Andrea Rossi, CEO of Leonardo Corporation

We’ll only have to wait 10 days max according to Andrea Rossi on the JONP:

gregha
March 29, 2016 at 2:18 PM
If not a full release of the ERV report, how about a synopsis?

Andrea Rossi
March 29, 2016 at 4:12 PM
Gregha:
Yes, I will publish it within a tenth of days, anyway.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

UPDATE #2 (March 19, 2016)

This email came to me from Mats Lewan today, because I had pre-registered for the New Energy World Symposium:

– “The final decision to hold the symposium has not yet been taken—official results of the one-year test of a 1-MW heat plant based on the new energy technology have not yet been reported but are expected at the latest at mid-April.”

“About 220 individuals have pre-registered, among them several who asked if it could be extended into a two-day event. Therefore, plans are now being made for a two-day event on June 21-22, with additional speakers and more opportunities to network with other attendeees. However, there will still be an option to attend the first day only.”

I’m not sure where Mats is getting his information about when the official results are to be expected — I wonder if he has heard something.

UPDATE — Mats Lewan wrote below: “Rossi told me what he also wrote at JoNP, that the ERV had committed to deliver the report within two months, which would be mid-April since the test was concluded on February 17.”

UPDATE #1 (March 16, 2016)

Mats Lewan posted this on the LENR-Forum here:

“Ok, I can now confirm that Rossi will attend the New Energy World Symposium, not as a speaker but interviewed by me on stage. In connection to the symposium, at a separate event, he says he will have some important announcements to make. No date defined. The decision to hold the symposium, however, still depends on the result of the one-year 1MW test being released and positive. Plans are proceeding meanwhile and there are now more than 200 attendees pre-registered. I’m also considering making it a two-day event, June 21-22, with an option to attend one day only”

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I’ll kick off the thread with an exchange on the Journal of Nuclear Physics between Peter Gluck and Andrea Rossi:

Peter Gluck
March 14, 2016 at 11:14 AM
Dear Andrea,

Please think about the possibility to help the LENR World to celebrate the 27th anniversary of the field (March 23) with a decisive victory. You could do this by publication of the Executive Summary of the ERV Report or even better the balance energy bought vs energy sold made by the accountant of the Customer during the 350 days of the experiment as I have asked on my blog yesterday.
Wishing you a long triumphal technology march,

Peter

Andrea Rossi
March 14, 2016 at 12:44 PM
Peter Gluck:
Thank you for your kind suggestion, I will see what I can do with the agreement of all the involved parties.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

I assume that “all the involved parties” would include Leonardo Corp., Industrial Heat, the customer who was using the energy from the 1MW plant, and the ERV (the independent expert responsible for validation). Rossi sounds quite positive to Peter’s suggestion here.

  • wpj

    I am convinced that PG already knows the results from the leaked version of the executive summary (“just under 40,000…….”) but is trying to backtrack.

    • LarryJ

      Is there a leaked executive summary or just an unsubstantiated rumour of a leaked executive summary.

  • wpj

    I am convinced that PG already knows the results from the leaked version of the executive summary (“just under 40,000…….”) but is trying to backtrack.

    • LarryJ

      Is there a leaked executive summary or just an unsubstantiated rumour from the usual highly reliable sources, of a leaked executive summary.

  • So, Rossi seems to be confirming that there is an “executive summary”, and he probably has already seen it. If it were negative, then why is Rossi so happy and confident these days? The pieces to this puzzle do not fit, do not compute, do not make sense. Industrial Heat needs to explain what they mean in clear, precise, and specific language that anyone can understand. Just releasing the “executive summary” would help a lot.

    • Ged

      IH already did. They are “pleased” and “confident” and their “portfolio has never been stronger.”

      • No. Way too vague. We need specifics and we do not need a string of sentences that contradict each other. The person who wrote that statement should be given other tasks to accomplish in the company. Obfuscation is not useful for positive public relations.

        • Ged

          Oh, no, obfuscation is All public relations is about. Any press release from any company (let alone government agency) I’ve seen reads about the same. This was done by APCO, so it is masterfully written. This is just the game we have to play and live with in modern times.

          But yes, I couldn’t agree more that we need specifics; and hopefully very, very soon.

          • Albert D. Kallal

            Here is an interesting question:

            Will such a report actually change
            skeptics?

            I mean, they will state, where is secret
            plant, why was Rossi working in the plant every day?

            And how is such a test even remote close
            to independent then when plant, the building, Rossi are all owned and controlled
            by IH?

            To me, this is similar to the 3rd
            party test, or even the public test of the 1MW plant in Europe. Such tests did
            little, if anything to convince the nay-sayers.

            And even going back to the Wright
            Brothers – we saw the same skepticism’s. When people were showed a picture, they simply stated the picture was fake, or the plane was suspended by thin wires
            and it was just “hanging” there for the picture and not even moving!

            In fact, interesting after the wright
            brothers had done many public demonstrations and EVEN after coverage by many newspapers, the general public STILL remained skeptical.

            The one big event!!!!

            So the ONE BIG event for the Wright
            Brothers is when they went to France and demonstrated the flight before royalty
            and the military. With endorsement by royalty, and military, then so big was
            the result that Wright Brothers received a “heroes” parade – quite much the equivalent of a ticker tape parade in New York for Apollo astronauts. ONLY WHEN major press and major government (or an established authority) covers such technology does it become accepted!

            So just like the public 1MW demo “helped” LENR,
            and just like the 3rd party test helped LENR, then this report will help LENR.
            However, this report will only baby sooth the believers. This event will not be any kind of black swan event given past history of the wright brothers, or today when faced with a game changing technology.
            Like software the human mind does not function and believe in something because some paper published an article.

            This paper will NOT be much of a big event except for us readers (believers) wanting to know COP numbers. For the rest of the world and skeptics, this will do VERY little to change anything. Such publications in the past did VERY little to change views on whatever issue one is skeptical about.

            Until a major press group along with a “authority”
            like a King back in Wright brothers days, or a MAJOR university gains coverage
            by say 60 minutes doing a show on a working commercial reactor, then this event
            will do LITTLE more than the 1MW plant demo.
            So for us “believers” of LENR, then the public 1MW demo was the greatest demo of LENR in the history of mankind.

            So this paper publish event will NOT make a splash, and will NOT convince any skeptic of Rossi having a working reactor. A demo or press announcement with the reactor running in the background would however be a real kick start of a event!

            I don’t pin much on the ERV summary, and even worse is we have no timeline for public release of that report.

            Regards,
            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • Brent Buckner

            I can imagine it having an effect on prospective customers in that it might tick a box on a due diligence checklist. I could even imagine it moving forward IH discussions with a financing firm (so that a prospective customer could finance part of a purchase or lease). EDIT: for those sorts of things I imagine that the ERV being something like Underwriters Laboratories would be helpful!

          • LarryJ

            I think Rossi mentioned that the ERV are experts in nuclear power and engineering. But I do agree that their report would be of use to the certification company that Leonardo is employing, especially in the area of radiation safety.

          • Ged

            Oh, don’t worry. As the very birth of IH shows, extremely powerful folks have been watching all this, and Rossi, for awhile. Those “Royals” and “military” are currently observing the flight as we speak.

          • jimbo92107

            I have been following public comments of Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders on energy. I think both of them are aware of Rossi’s technology. Sanders is ahead of Hillary on the implications.

          • Christina

            Obama probably filled Hillary in on lenr when he visited Rossi’s lab/office. She just isn’t letting on what she knows; knowledge is power (no pun intended).

          • jimbo92107

            They don’t want to jump the gun and get embarrassed. Everybody remembers what happened last time.

          • sam

            I think a ERV would be great for the Die Hards following
            Rossi.
            Then they would know whether
            to keep following Mr Rossi and the Ecat or give it a rest for a while.

          • Brokeeper

            Maybe not change the skeptics, but will change the oil barometers.

          • LarryJ

            If by oil barometers you mean oil prices I would agree. I think the Saudis are well aware this is coming and would give their oil away rather than see their only asset stranded. They intend to be the last man standing.

          • fact police

            Kallal wrote:

            In fact, interesting after the wright brothers had done many public demonstrations and EVEN after coverage by many newspapers, the general public STILL remained skeptical.

            The one big event!!!!

            So the ONE BIG event for the Wright Brothers is when they went to France and demonstrated the flight before royalty and the military. With endorsement by royalty, and military, then so big was the result that Wright Brothers received a “heroes” parade …

            Just to keep things factual, the public event in France in 1908 was considered the first large and truly public event since their flying had become confident. And, at least by David McCullough’s account, it was not attended by royalty or military of any particular note.

            Here’s what McCullough writes: “Here and there among the crowd could be seen several notables not from Le Mans. There were two Russian officers in uniform and Ernest Archdeacon of the Aero-Club de France, noted for his skeptical opinion of the Wrights, and, of greatest interest to the others gathered, the celebrated French aviator-hero Louis Bleriot.”

            Royalty certainly came later, but as a result of their celebrity, not the other way around.

            There were a lot of people at that demonstration, including a lot of press, and even without royalty or significant military, they became overnight heroes around the world as the result of a flight that lasted less than 2 minutes.

            It is true that the Wrights had flown with semi-public audiences before, but they were largely secretive in 1904 and 1905, and did not fly at all in 1906 and 1907 while they negotiated sales of their technology. They invited the press to one early event in 1905 at Huffman Prairie, but had little success that day, and preferred to remain largely incognito for the remainder of that season. Coverage was extremely sparse, with the most accurate account appearing in a beekeepers journal.

            Here’s what the journal Nature wrote after their triumph at Le Mans: “We had heard reports of the Wright Brothers’ achievements in America in 1904 and 1905, but owing to the inventors’ efforts to avoid publicity, the feat of Santos and Dumont on November 12, 1906 […] has been regarded by many people as the first … artificially propelled man-carrying machine…”

            It should also be emphasized that while there was skepticism of the Wrights’ claims before 1908, it was clear that heavier-than-air flight was not impossible, given that birds existed then, and the field itself was regarded with respect. With some notable exceptions (like Lord Kelvin), most scientists at the time considered powered flight to be inevitable. Indeed, some of the Wrights most vocal skeptics were aviators themselves.

            Given all this, the parallel between the aviation and cold fusion is a very long reach.

            If the ecat worked as claimed, Rossi would be in a position to do a Wright-brothers’ 1908 type demo, and if he were, it’s difficult to conceive of a reason why he would not do it. If he did, he would become an overnight hero and impossibly wealthy. Maybe he doesn’t want that.

          • LarryJ

            I read that the Wright brothers ended up fighting patent wars while others went ahead and started manufacturing. I don’t think they were ever big players in the manufacturing arena. This may be a lesson that Rossi has taken to heart.

            From Wikipedia:

            From 1910 until his death from typhoid fever in 1912, Wilbur took the leading role in the patent struggle, traveling incessantly to consult with lawyers and testify in what he felt was a moral cause, particularly against Curtiss, who was creating a large company to manufacture aircraft. The Wrights’ preoccupation with the
            legal issue stifled their work on new designs, and by 1911 Wright airplanes were considered inferior to those of European makers. Indeed, aviation development in the U.S. was suppressed to such an extent that when the U.S. entered World War I no acceptable American-designed airplanes were available, and U.S. forces were compelled to use French machines. Orville and Katharine Wright believed Curtiss was partly responsible for Wilbur’s premature death, which occurred in the wake of his exhausting travels and the stress of the legal battle.

          • Albert D. Kallal

            Thank you kindly for the follow up.

            I had not realized their “fame” and that of royalty endorsing them was a RESULT of their fame, and NOT the other way around. So I kindly accept that it was a public demo, and not government + military that made them heroes.

            And Rossi already did a public demo a few years ago!

            However, in regards to skeptics, and heaver
            then air flight? Well, no question that engineers and some scientists believed
            that heaver then air flight was possible (birds etc.). However, there was still
            VERY wide spread sceptics EVEN after some papers had covered the wright
            brothers story.

            We don’t want to mix the issue of birds and machines! The fact that “some” engineers believed that heaver then air flight MACHINES was possible does not change the “wide spread” doubt about flying machines. We see the same for LENR, there are scientist and engineers that accept LENR, but it easy to state that widespread doubt remains.

            So the parallels I speak of:

            Many before who had read accounts of a
            flying machine remained skeptical EVEN after some newspapers covered the
            machine.

            The coverage in “mainstream” papers was sparse for LENR and Wrights.

            And despite that coverage, many remain skeptical of LENR.

            The wright brothers were quite secretive
            about their technology, and this held back the “ease” in which people could
            see, read, and learn about the flying machine. And once again, the SAME goes
            for LENR.

            There were doubts by many that after seeing the machine fly, it was going to have commercial use. Again, ditto for LENR.

            There were many who attempted to build flying machines because they DID in fact realize the potential, but they failed, or were not able to build crafts that had commercial use. Gee, once again, same goes for LENR – we see all kinds of attempts at replications in LENR, and even those don’t have commercial value.

            And look at the rash of start-ups in aviation, and many (most) failed – we see this with LENR companies right now.

            So the lack of news coverage due to the inventors
            wanting to keep the “lid” on their technology, and scepticisms even after
            reading articles? I dare say the experience with wright brothers is VERY similar to Rossi and LENR.

            Just like the wright brothers had a “few” public demonstrations, so did Rossi – but they were not attended by many, and coverage was sparse (again another parallel here).

            And we already seeing a rash of patents
            for LENR – again a similar case occurred with the Wright Brothers.

            At the end of the day, a well-attended event along with a public announcement of LENR and a demo say by Tom Darden + IH would do the trick, and I suspect we will see that day.

            And having 60 minutes do a follow up to cold fusion is hot again, and a tour of the plant in a working environment would also do the trick.

            And the ERV will not make much more of a
            splash then say the public demo of the 1MW plant that occurred a few years ago.

            Regards,
            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • Omega Z

            Actually, Demo’s are quite expensive and time consuming.

            AND, Rossi and Industrial heat really have no need to provide such a demo. They do not need publicity, they do not need to trump up investor interest. They merely need a little more time to bring itr to market.

            As to Rossi’s JONP posts/comments.
            He will tell you has has learned much from the exchanges with followers.

          • LarryJ

            I totally agree with your comment. The only event that will bring this to the public’s attention is products in the market.

          • HS61AF91

            ‘ONLY WHEN major press and major government (or an established authority) covers such technology does it become accepted!’, Yes that was the case with the Wright Bros. In this day and age, I believe that the world wide web makes acceptance more rapid. Like within a couple of weeks of the ERV report’s release. The Saudis are selling oil like water; divesting is already happening. That’s pretty much acceptance before the announcements. I’m looking at a fast and furious unveiling, that governments and their industry lobbyists cannot ignore. Hopefully, it’ll be manageable, but it will not take long, I think.

    • LarryJ

      I doubt the ERV’s executive summary is out there yet. Rossi knows without seeing it what the performance was and it is very likely that he has seen the customer’s numbers. Rossi has always maintained that the the proof of his technology will be the customer making money. He practically lived on their premises for a year and would have had to work closely with them for maintenance shutdowns, planning and so forth.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Peter Metz, good question, interesting answer:

    Peter Metz

    March 14, 2016 at 12:21 AM

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    Thank you for taking the time and effort to continue to answer my questions about the E-Cat. While we continue waiting patiently (!) for information from the ERV report, I have another question related to the manufacture of the E-Cats. The question is: when the time comes will the E-Cats manufactured by Leonardo Corporation and Industrial Heat (or any other manufacturer) be the same or will they be different in some way (but possibly to the same specifications). Or perhaps I am mistaken, will only Leonardo Corporation manufacture the E-Cats? Thanks again for answering my questions.

    Sincerely,

    Peter Metz

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    Andrea Rossi

    March 14, 2016 at 9:46 AM

    Peter Metz:

    So far the sole industries that can manufacture the E-Cat so far are Leonardo Corporation and Industrial Heat.

    Warm Regards,

    A.R.

    • Ged

      This is actual quite an interesting answer for a particular reason. A sales licensee may be able to sell a product like any retailer, but to be able and allowed to manufacture a product is a whole other level. It is also interesting to know IH has the functional capacity and know-how for e-cat production.

      • LuFong

        The answer is also interesting because Rossi didn’t really answer the question, i.e. whether both entities will be making exact products or different versions of the same thing. Are Leonardo and IH taking separate tracks in the manufacturing or are they coordinating? My guess is that you will see different products from each. Who knows, maybe IH decides to build something based on Brillouin technology or some Hybrid while Rossi of course uses only his technology.

        • Ged

          Or they are aiming at different markets. IH may make the industrial units, while Rossi persues domestic use with the e-cat x. At this rate, Leonardo may become a pure R&D branch for further e-cat advancement and not actually produce end products.

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            Rossi is a good entrepreneur, if he gave IH an exclusive to manufacture except for Leonardo, he is threatening or actually going ahead with Leonardo manufacturing. IH is playing all kinds of games.

          • Lux Terrea

            They need to piss or get off the pot.

          • Mats002

            Very well put.

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        Right, and apparently IH, for now, has an exclusive to manufacture, except for Leonardo. Is this exclusive part of IH’s agreement with Leonardo?

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Peter Metz, good question, interesting answer:

    Peter Metz

    March 14, 2016 at 12:21 AM

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    Thank you for taking the time and effort to continue to answer my questions about the E-Cat. While we continue waiting patiently (!) for information from the ERV report, I have another question related to the manufacture of the E-Cats. The question is: when the time comes will the E-Cats manufactured by Leonardo Corporation and Industrial Heat (or any other manufacturer) be the same or will they be different in some way (but possibly to the same specifications). Or perhaps I am mistaken, will only Leonardo Corporation manufacture the E-Cats? Thanks again for answering my questions.

    Sincerely,

    Peter Metz

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    Andrea Rossi

    March 14, 2016 at 9:46 AM

    Peter Metz:

    So far the sole industries that can manufacture the E-Cat so far are Leonardo Corporation and Industrial Heat.

    Warm Regards,

    A.R.

    • Ged

      This is actual quite an interesting answer for a particular reason. A sales licensee may be able to sell a product like any retailer, but to be able and allowed to manufacture a product is a whole other level. It is also interesting to know IH has the functional capacity and know-how for e-cat production.

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        Right, and apparently IH, for now, has an exclusive to manufacture, except for Leonardo. Is this exclusive part of IH’s agreement with Leonardo?

  • Albert D. Kallal

    I think Rossi been quite fair and clear
    here.

    Rossi for ZERO reason did not have to
    add he will NOT speak about results until they are published UNLESS GOOD reason
    exists to state so!

    In other words, Rossi basically stating
    that he cannot and will not speak about results until such time they are published.
    Rossi could not be CLEARER that knowledge of the results, receiving the ERV
    report and publication of the results are SEPARATE events.

    Rossi been running the plant for a year –
    he already knows the performance and results anyway!

    It not Rossi’s call or choice to publish
    the results, or as to when they are to be published. And Rossi never implied as
    such either. Rossi receiving the report is NOT the same as to when publication
    will occur.

    Rossi stating “I see what I can do” is
    simply him admitting that publication of the ERV is NOT his call or under his
    control.

    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada

    • Michael W Wolf

      And the whole time, being slandered and accused of fraud. And yet, tried to help those who believed. And doesn’t seem to have one bitter bone in his body about it. He is a better man than I. I hope when he changes the world he will be rewarded appropriately.

      • DrD

        Agree completely. Don’t forget though, his solicitors have the cases (slander I assume) in preparation and waiting patiently.

      • psi2u2

        He did call the slanderers snakes….! But yes, I agree. He has been very poised overall.

  • Albert D. Kallal

    I think Rossi been quite fair and clear
    here.

    Rossi for ZERO reason did not have to
    add he will NOT speak about results until they are published UNLESS GOOD reason
    exists to state so!

    In other words, Rossi basically stating
    that he cannot and will not speak about results until such time they are published.
    Rossi could not be CLEARER that knowledge of the results, receiving the ERV
    report and publication of the results are SEPARATE events.

    Rossi been running the plant for a year –
    he already knows the performance and results anyway!

    It not Rossi’s call or choice to publish
    the results, or as to when they are to be published. And Rossi never implied as
    such either. Rossi receiving the report is NOT the same as to when publication
    will occur.

    Rossi stating “I see what I can do” is
    simply him admitting that publication of the ERV is NOT his call or under his
    control.

    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada

    • Michael W Wolf

      And the whole time, being slandered and accused of fraud. And yet, tried to help those who believed. And doesn’t seem to have one bitter bone in his body about it. He is a better man than I. I hope when he changes the world he will be rewarded appropriately.

      • DrD

        Agree completely. Don’t forget though, his solicitors have the cases (slander I assume) in preparation and waiting patiently.

      • psi2u2

        He did call the slanderers snakes….! But yes, I agree. He has been very poised overall.

  • Fibber McGourlick

    Dr. Rossi long ago pulled most of us in this forum from our sleep and kept us in tune
    with his advances by providing information on the e-cat’s progress during the
    long climb from the elementary days of years ago and up to this moment when the
    breakthrough has finally been achieved. There has always been an
    implied promise that he would not abandon his followers at the ultimate moment by not providing the final result of his (and our) long journey together.

  • e-dog

    February Global Temperatures…
    This technology, information and knowledge that Rossi and Co are keeping to their chests needs to be released..

    If I had the knowledge I would be sharing with all those interested, because I know that teamwork, collaboration and basically more brain power will produce a faster result.

    I Imagine if I was Alexander Fleming in 1928 and had discovered penicillin and didnt share it with the world… I sat on it and tweaked it, researched it, tried to make it better, mass produce it and figured how to capitalise on my discovery… all by myself.. while at the same time telling people I had a cure!!!

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/februarys-hot-temperatures-indicate-a-climate-emergency/news-story/1967997a0c992c5c6b518c489d9e42df?sv=da07b298b65eacba7694069ef2f316c9

  • Fibber McGourlick

    Dr. Rossi long ago pulled most of us in this forum from our sleep and kept us in tune
    with his advances by providing information on the e-cat’s progress during the
    long climb from the elementary days of years ago and up to this moment when the
    breakthrough has finally been achieved. There has always been an
    implied promise that he would not abandon his followers at the ultimate moment by not providing the final result of his (and our) long journey together.

    • clovis ray

      HI, Fibber.
      I agree, we have been ridiculed as well as Dr.R for such a long time, I believe it doesn’t bother him, because of his christen belief, which teaches tolerance,
      I for one, am happy to be able to be in the company of so many great inventors,
      thanks everyone, I just love this stuff,

  • e-dog

    February Global Temperatures…
    This technology, information and knowledge that Rossi and Co are keeping to their chests needs to be released..

    If I had the knowledge I would be sharing with all those interested, because I know that teamwork, collaboration and basically more brain power will produce a faster result.

    I Imagine if I was Alexander Fleming in 1928 and had discovered penicillin and didnt share it with the world… I sat on it and tweaked it, researched it, tried to make it better, mass produce it and figured how to capitalise on my discovery… all by myself.. while at the same time telling people I had a cure!!!

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/februarys-hot-temperatures-indicate-a-climate-emergency/news-story/1967997a0c992c5c6b518c489d9e42df?sv=da07b298b65eacba7694069ef2f316c9

    • BillH

      Funnily enough penicillin didn’t go into mass production until the start of WW2, 11 years later, when it became an essential part of the treatment of wounded soldiers.
      I hope it doesn’t take such an extreme event to bring about the full development of LENR.

      • wpj

        Actually, it wasn’t used for wounded soldiers it was used for venereal disease as so many of them were infected that they didn’t have enough men for the fight.

        Also Fleming took credit when it wasn’t deserved as the others made it into a product- he only published a paper on his early observation (Chain was a bit strange wandering around the corridors when I was a student, but he was pretty old by then)

  • Gerard McEk

    The answer suggests a positive result!

  • Gerard McEk

    The answer suggests a positive result!

  • Stephen

    Thanks Peter. You found the words to ask just the right question and got a good reply that we can all hope for. I suppose it’s in their hands now. After all those years of your amazing and intelligent blog I hope the answer from the other involved parties is a good one too.

  • Stephen

    Thanks Peter. You found the words to ask just the right question and got a good reply that we can all hope for. I suppose it’s in their hands now. After all those years of your amazing and intelligent blog I hope the answer from the other involved parties is a good one too.

  • US_Citizen71

    I still remember exactly where I was and what I was doing the moment I heard about Pons & Fleischmann’s discovery. It was my senior year in high school one of my friends walked up with a copy of Omni and another with a copy of Nature (the first article) between classes and we read them both out loud and couldn’t believe what was printed. It seemed like sweet serendipity that Timbuk 3’s hit ‘The Future’s so bright I gotta wear shades’ was on the radio. I never would have believed 27 years later the fight for acceptance would still be raging on. The world needs to let this black swan from it’s cage.

    • US_Citizen71
    • toodorky

      Well sir:… Unfortunately that’s what happens when Pons & Fleischmann were allowed to be black balled by a well known physicist of the time (?) with the full backing of corporate, government, higher education interests whose goal was to sustain the oil & gas industry and delaying clean energy progress for many years.

  • jimbo92107

    I wonder if Popular Science will be the first magazine to cover this story. That’s where I found out that I’d be flying a car to work by the turn of the century… Will the cover say, “Cold Fusion: It Works!”

    • Bob Greenyer

      I know they have an article ready and they are waiting for either:

      – our exact replication (if successful)
      – SKINR successful replication
      – Independent report that is of reputable authenticity
      – Other reputable replication

      Before they publish.

      I think that the Financial Times is also sitting on a story.

      • we-cat

        Dear Bob,

        How do you know?

        Thanks,

        JB

        • Mats002

          Yes – how do you know? 🙂

          • Bruce Williams

            I have, with Frank’s support, been in contact with the Science Editor of the FT for about 2 years now. I have fed him extracts from this site on occasions when it seemed appropriate & I think he is well aware of what’s going on.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Because I have spoken at length with journalists from both organisations.

          • we-cat

            Bob,

            That is great news! The knowledge that another successful replication will trigger two positive MSM stories will further motivate the LENR Jedi’s.

          • Bob Greenyer

            The weak force is strong with this one.

          • we-cat

            Somebody has to say it;

            “May the weak force be with us!”

        • jimbo92107

          It would be pretty funny to find out that there were huge players in this game that we knew nothing about, and that there were multiple LENR tech announcements of which none of us were aware.

          But I don’t see the signs of an undercurrent of incipient tech breakthroughs. Where are the rumors? Things like this don’t remain a secret in our gossip-crazy species.

          • Owen Geiger

            One rumor was broadcast on Jamie Martinez’s Cold Fusion Now radio. One or two years ago he said there was at least one company working on LENR completely in the shadows (no publicity, working in secret). Has anyone heard an update on that rumor?
            http://coldfusionnow.org/cold-fusion-radio/

          • Bob Greenyer

            New video will be up later today – encoding now on Youtube.

            It is entitled “Opening the door – Part 1”

            MUCH nicer audio thanks to the crowd funded 2nd hand radio mic!

          • artefact

            Opening the door – Part 1

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqyYYAXox4c

          • Stephen

            It’s a very interesting nicely done video definately has got me wondering about the implications.

      • Well don’t count on the popular press coverage amounting to much… my cold fusion work was featured in Wired Magazine back in 1998… and poof … in-spite of massive progress nothing came of it http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2013/05/03/wired-magazine-report-on-cold-fusion-includes-segment-on-my-work/

        • Mats002

          I understand ‘it sucks’, doing the right thing is not enough, the famous timing must be there too – and some luck…

        • Alan DeAngelis
        • Bob Greenyer

          And in January 2001 I made a website called “Staying Close” but the dot com crash killed it… It was to all intense and purpose FaceBook. 6 years later the market was ready.

          I don’t do FB. I’m not bitter, really 😉

          • Mats002

            A little you are 😉

          • Bob Greenyer

            Ok… dammit you’re right!

            But I call it a blessing!

          • jimbo92107

            Nikola Tesla demonstrated his inventions in public all the time. Tesla loved demonstrations. I haven’t seen Rossi demonstrate any of his inventions to a public audience with free scrutiny.

            Rossi doesn’t behave like Tesla at all.

      • jimbo92107

        The transition period between now and tech adoption could be fraught with, shall we say, kitties and puppies. Others may prefer “massive global economic disruption,” but I prefer the vision of our little baby pets wrassling on the carpet. They’re so cute!

    • sam

      You would think Mats Ny Teknik
      magazine would be covering it.

  • jimbo92107

    I wonder if Popular Science will be the first magazine to cover this story. That’s where I found out that I’d be flying a car to work by the turn of the century… Will the cover say, “Cold Fusion: It Works!”

    • Bob Greenyer

      I know they have an article ready and they are waiting for either:

      – our exact replication (if successful)
      – SKINR successful replication
      – Independent report that is of reputable authenticity
      – Other reputable replication

      Before they publish.

      I think that the Financial Times is also sitting on a story.

      • we-cat

        Dear Bob,

        How do you know?

        Thanks,

        JB

        • Mats002

          Yes – how do you know? 🙂

          • Bruce Williams

            I have, with Frank’s support, been in contact with the Science Editor of the FT for about 2 years now. I have fed him extracts from this site on occasions when it seemed appropriate & I think he is well aware of what’s going on.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Because I have spoken at length with journalists from both organisations.

          • we-cat

            Bob,

            That is great news! The knowledge that another successful replication will trigger two positive MSM stories will further motivate the LENR Jedi’s.

          • Bob Greenyer

            The weak force is strong with this one.

          • we-cat

            Somebody has to say it;

            “May the weak force be with us!”

          • bachcole

            LOL. Really, I LOLed. (:->)

      • Byron McDonald

        I really, really hope they vindicate Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann. Anything else would be an absolute travesty.

      • jimbo92107

        The transition period between now and tech adoption could be fraught with, shall we say, kitties and puppies. Others may prefer “massive global economic disruption,” but I prefer the vision of our little baby pets wrassling on the carpet. They’re so cute!

    • sam

      You would think Mats Ny Teknik
      magazine would be covering it.

  • Well don’t count on the popular press coverage amounting to much… my cold fusion work was featured in Wired Magazine back in 1998… and poof … in-spite of massive progress nothing came of it http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2013/05/03/wired-magazine-report-on-cold-fusion-includes-segment-on-my-work/

    • Mats002

      I understand ‘it sucks’, doing the right thing is not enough, the famous timing must be there too – and some luck…

    • Alan DeAngelis
    • Bob Greenyer

      And in January 2001 I made a website called “Staying Close” but the dot com crash killed it… It was to all intense and purpose FaceBook. 6 years later the market was ready.

      I don’t do FB. I’m not bitter, really 😉

      • Mats002

        A little you are 😉

        • Bob Greenyer

          Ok… dammit you’re right!

          But I call it a blessing!

  • psi2u2

    Its a good idea, Peter, a really good idea. Let’s hope they can pull it off.

  • psi2u2

    Its a good idea, Peter, a really good idea. Let’s hope they can pull it off.

  • Alan DeAngelis
  • Chris the 2nd

    Good Morning Everyone,

    You might be interested to know that Dr . Edmund Storms is on the Space Show tonight discussing LENR.

    Tuesday, March 15, 2016: 7-8:30 PM PDT (10-11:30 PM EDT, 9-10:30 PM CDT): We welcome back DR. EDMUND STORMS for updates with LENR.
    http://www.thespaceshow.com/

  • Chris the 2nd

    Good Morning Everyone,

    You might be interested to know that Dr . Edmund Storms is on the Space Show tonight discussing LENR.

    Tuesday, March 15, 2016: 7-8:30 PM PDT (10-11:30 PM EDT, 9-10:30 PM CDT): We welcome back DR. EDMUND STORMS for updates with LENR.
    http://www.thespaceshow.com/

  • Gerard McEk

    What is the probability of F9<0?
    1. I believe that AR would not devote a year of his valuable time in a container if already ater say a half year the results were bad when you consider the COP. AR was often asked for an update and apart of some various moments of trouble quite a few times SSM was mentioned. Only at the end he mentioned that the efficiency was reducing. Also was the customer happy with the delivered heat. So I think the COP would be OK.
    2. The reliability might be an issue, but what is to expect of a first prototype? I dare say the although the 1 MW was for from perfect, this also couldn't be a serious breaking point for disqualifying the plant.
    3. Another issue comes from Bob Greenyer, suggesting that the ash may contain unstable elements (radioactive) due to the lengthy transmutation process. I would think that AR would know if a lengthy test may cause this and would surely not risked this happening during the one year operation.
    4. Issues out of the control of AR may be political, commercial and share holders pressure on IH. That may shift the result from positive to negative or the other way around. That may also delay the publication.
    So only some issues of point 4 may lead to F9<0 and disappoint us.
    I am sure there are many other issues you can think of. For now I am still optimistic, but maybe if I read yours, I will change.

    • Michael W Wolf

      I don’t care. if 1 watt extra than is allowed is produced, it is earth shattering.

    • Omega Z

      Industrial Heat’s own experts had full access for over a year.

      Who would built an expensive 1MW pilot plant without prior confirmation of an acceptable COP before hand? Who would continue an expensive test for 1 year if results were negative after the 1st couple months?

      They’ve had leakage on a regular bases, but that’s a simple fix. Just bring in those skilled in the art. Also the pilot plant is actually 2 in 1 setup in a large container for the test. A customer plant will be smaller and Rossi has also stated that engineering problems will need to be taken care of.

      For (F9)<0 would likely be control/stability issues. Simply more R&D.
      From a Rossi interview. Also note the Certification entity who also has Nuclear plant certification skills.
      ————————————————————————————-
      8. What have been the principal challenges to keeping this system operational?

      AR: Our principal challenge has been reliability, which means to keep the reactors working in a stable mode, producing energy 24 hours per day, 7 days per week. Our current system is the end result of thousands of earlier prototypes. The control system acquires data from the temperature, pressure and flow-metering gauges to regulate the operation of the E-Cats working in harmony. It is important for us to provide effective control and instrumentation, sufficient to keep the equipment working correctly, yet to avoid excessive or potentially faulty instrumentation that might compromise the reliability of the system in global operation. It is also imperative that the monitoring equipment provide the alarms and other information required by our safety certification company (SGS).

  • Gerard McEk

    What is the probability of F9<0?
    1. I believe that AR would not devote a year of his valuable time in a container if already ater say a half year the results were bad when you consider the COP. AR was often asked for an update and apart of some various moments of trouble quite a few times SSM was mentioned. Only at the end he mentioned that the efficiency was reducing. Also was the customer happy with the delivered heat. So I think the COP would be OK.
    2. The reliability might be an issue, but what is to expect of a first prototype? I dare say the although the 1 MW was for from perfect, this also couldn't be a serious breaking point for disqualifying the plant.
    3. Another issue comes from Bob Greenyer, suggesting that the ash may contain unstable elements (radioactive) due to the lengthy transmutation process. I would think that AR would know if a lengthy test may cause this and would surely not risked this happening during the one year operation.
    4. Issues out of the control of AR may be political, commercial and share holders pressure on IH. That may shift the result from positive to negative or the other way around. That may also delay the publication.
    So only some issues of point 4 may lead to F9<0 and disappoint us.
    I am sure there are many other issues you can think of. For now I am still optimistic, but maybe if I read yours, I will change.

    • BillH

      Point 2. If this was truly a contract with an independent customer then this indeed could be a big problem. If they say it was too much of a problem to manage the issues surrounding the reliability of supply of the contracted amount of heat and they don’t want to exercise the option to purchase the plant in situ.

      The first questions to be asked if a positive report is tabled, regardless of the status of the ERV are bound to be is the customer happy with the plant? have they exercised there option to purchase it? can we visit the site and see it in operation?

      • Gerard McEk

        The main problem of the E-cat may be that it cannot be controlled efficiently over a power range, just on-off. That is why AR is now developing the quark. By controlling many on-off one by one makes a big system controllable in a efficient way. That may also have been an issue with the 1 MW plant, but I obviously do not know what te contract with the client demanded.

        • BillH

          The exact opposite argument was when AR moved from a 106 reactor version to the current 1MW 4 250KW version being that fewer reactors were much easier to control. Maybe a compromise version with say 20 reactors is the solution, meaning that if one reactor goes down you only lose 5% of output that should be easier to compensate for.

          • DrD

            Indeed, and each of those 20 might be made up of 100w quarks. Or AN other combination. I suppose a lot depends on how simple he can make each quark in terms of control and servicing.
            As a comparison, Imagine all the pixels in a display screen we control those very well; I doubt the E-CatX control will be as complex.
            I imagine each quark or sub assembly of quarks would be “unplugged” a bit like a car battery or bulb and returned for refurbishing.

    • Michael W Wolf

      I don’t care. if 1 watt extra than is allowed is produced, it is earth shattering.

    • Omega Z

      Industrial Heat’s own experts had full access for over a year.

      Who would built an expensive 1MW pilot plant without prior confirmation of an acceptable COP before hand? Who would continue an expensive test for 1 year if results were negative after the 1st couple months?

      They’ve had leakage on a regular bases, but that’s a simple fix. Just bring in those skilled in the art. Also the pilot plant is actually 2 in 1 setup in a large container for the test. A customer plant will be smaller and Rossi has also stated that engineering problems will need to be taken care of.

      For (F9)<0 would likely be control/stability issues. Simply more R&D.
      From a Rossi interview. Also note the Certification entity who also has Nuclear plant certification skills.
      ————————————————————————————-
      8. What have been the principal challenges to keeping this system operational?

      AR: Our principal challenge has been reliability, which means to keep the reactors working in a stable mode, producing energy 24 hours per day, 7 days per week. Our current system is the end result of thousands of earlier prototypes. The control system acquires data from the temperature, pressure and flow-metering gauges to regulate the operation of the E-Cats working in harmony. It is important for us to provide effective control and instrumentation, sufficient to keep the equipment working correctly, yet to avoid excessive or potentially faulty instrumentation that might compromise the reliability of the system in global operation. It is also imperative that the monitoring equipment provide the alarms and other information required by our safety certification company (SGS).

  • Lenuco LLC. seems to be one of the other LENR companies in which Industrial Heat invested!

    Some of George Miley’s Lenuco patents were transfered to Industrial Heat:

    https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2886-Miley-s-patents-and-a-heating-coil-patent-assigned-to-Industrial-Heat-Holding/

    • Bob Greenyer

      That is a serious move. Whilst the rest of the energy industry sleeps… IH is building its defences.

      This is not the action of an organisation loosing belief that the effect is real.

  • Lenuco LLC. seems to be one of the other LENR companies in which Industrial Heat invested!

    Some of George Miley’s Lenuco patents were transfered to Industrial Heat:

    https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2886-Miley-s-patents-and-a-heating-coil-patent-assigned-to-Industrial-Heat-Holding/

    • bachcole

      Investors will love the fact that IH is going to be a potential monopoly. I don’t mind, now. Later, I’ll be glad to see the monopoly broken up. (:->)

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        In my opinion, that is what Rossi is trying to prevent.

        • bachcole

          Which, a monopoly or a break up of a monopoly?

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            Rossi is trying to prevent IH having a monopoly on Rossi’s E-cat and/or LENR.

    • Bob Greenyer

      That is a serious move. Whilst the rest of the energy industry sleeps… IH is building its defences.

      This is not the action of an organisation loosing belief that the effect is real.

      • yes, that is kinda exciting.

        • thought it would warrant it’s own thread.

        • Michael W Wolf

          yes! F9 seems to be changing to A1. 🙂

  • Yesterday I asked on JoNP whether the plant is still in operation.
    But my comment was not published 🙁

    Maybe the question was too direct.

    • wpj

      AR stated that they were recharging the reactors so presumably the client wanted to continue use.

      Andrea Rossi

      February 17, 2016 at 7:44 AM

      Blanche:

      Wed Feb 17 2016, 07.43 a.m.

      1 MW E-Cat : charges substitution on course

      E-Cat X: in good standing, very promising

      Warm Regards,

      A.R.

      • BillH

        If that were true, the customer is happy, this would be big news, and no need for a report? However, the silence on this issue may be more telling.

        A bought product by a happy customer would undoubtedly be more important than any report, money talks!

    • Frank Acland

      It could be that he is no longer responsible for it, and it is in IH control now.

    • Michael W Wolf

      I remember this discussion vaguely. They could have kept it running as the catalyst was still not depleted. But remember something about servicing it. I was thinking why go with ecat. Maybe they are fitting it with ecatx’s But I do remember them saying they will still be running it.

  • Yesterday I asked on JoNP whether the plant is still in operation.
    But my comment was not published 🙁

    Maybe the question was too direct.

    • wpj

      AR stated that they were recharging the reactors so presumably the client wanted to continue use.

      Andrea Rossi

      February 17, 2016 at 7:44 AM

      Blanche:

      Wed Feb 17 2016, 07.43 a.m.

      1 MW E-Cat : charges substitution on course

      E-Cat X: in good standing, very promising

      Warm Regards,

      A.R.

      • BillH

        If that were true, the customer is happy, this would be big news, and no need for a report? However, the silence on this issue may be more telling.

        A bought product by a happy customer would undoubtedly be more important than any report, money talks!

    • Frank Acland

      It could be that he is no longer responsible for it, and it is in IH control now.

      • clovis ray

        Frank, hi buddy.
        Can you look back to when the first mention of the customers receiving his first power bill and said he was very pleased, it was about half way through the test, i believe, i defiantly, remember reading it. or any and all comments about the customer. or the ERV.

    • Michael W Wolf

      I remember this discussion vaguely. They could have kept it running as the catalyst was still not depleted. But remember something about servicing it. I was thinking why go with ecat. Maybe they are fitting it with ecatx’s But I do remember them saying they will still be running it.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    In my opinion, that is what Rossi is trying to prevent.

  • Gerard McEk

    The main problem of the E-cat may be that it cannot be controlled efficiently over a power range, just on-off. That is why AR is now developing the quark. By controlling many on-off one by one makes a big system controllable in a efficient way. That may also have been an issue with the 1 MW plant, but I obviously do not know what te contract with the client demanded.

  • clovis ray

    I think we could see more info coming forward now, as Dr, R works with his ecxqm (e-cat-x-quark- module, this X is in memorial of madame curie , but as you can see it is quite long, by keeping the x, is there a more short and elegant name to call this reactor, this will be a house hole name, very shortly, and was just thinking if we might put forward some name that would be appropriate for this great world changing device, but x and quark is a must. i will put forth ECXQM, It don’t just fall off the tongue does it .

    • Bruce Williams

      Call it a ROSSI

      • clovis ray

        Hi, Bruce.
        Actually i think it will just be called E-CATX , the (E-CATX) is not that long

    • jimbo92107

      Those letters are practically useless for Scrabble.

      X-Cat keeps popping into my head, tho I’m sure there’s a better name. Marketing problems are less interesting than the technical ones.

  • Curious Swede

    Did another calculation on the energy delivered from the one year test. using the numbers in the slide “the Rossi effect” on the Hydrofusion homepage I came to the conclusion that aprox. 6.5 g He 4 has been created in the system. If this can be collected when opening the reactors it would be a simple way to prove that fusion has occurred. If so the forthcoming shortage of He will no longer be an issue for the world.

    • Mike Henderson

      Are you sure of that?

      6.5 g of 4He was produced from 1 g of H and 5.5 g of 7Li. (Plus 4 micrograms of mass converted to energy).

      Most reactors (Lugano, Parkhomov, MFMP glowsticks, other replicators) have contained tiny amounts of LiAlH4. Li makes up 18% by weight of LiAlH4, so maybe 15 – 25 mg of Li in a normal charge. To get 5.5 g of 7Li would require 20-30 reactors using 100% of their Li charge or 40-60 reactors using 50% … or a substantial increase in the amount of Li loaded as fuel in each reactor … or periodic replenishment of 7Li..

      I hope the referee’s report includes an analysis of the Li isotopic composition of the ash.

      • Maybe the test report is taking so long because they are doing fuel sample studies, which no doubt required the services of multiple outside labs.

  • Curious Swede

    Did another calculation on the energy delivered from the one year test. using the numbers in the slide “the Rossi effect” on the Hydrofusion homepage I came to the conclusion that aprox. 6.5 g He 4 has been created in the system. If this can be collected when opening the reactors it would be a simple way to prove that fusion has occurred. If so the forthcoming shortage of He will no longer be an issue for the world.

    • Mike Henderson

      Are you sure of that?

      6.5 g of 4He was produced from .8 g of H and 5.7 g of 7Li. (Plus 4 micrograms of mass converted to energy by E=mc^2.).

      Since the natural abundance of 7Li is 92%, we need to find an extra .5 g of 6Li in the fuel. So we are looking for 6.2 g of Li.

      Most reactors (Lugano, Parkhomov, MFMP glowsticks, other replicators) have contained tiny amounts of LiAlH4. Li makes up 18% by weight of LiAlH4, so maybe 15 – 25 mg of Li in a normal charge. To burn 5.7 g of 7Li (6.2 g of total Li) would require 20-30 reactors using 100% of their Li charge or 40-60 reactors using 50% … or a substantial increase in the amount of Li loaded as fuel in each reactor … or periodic replenishment of 7Li..

      I hope the referee’s report includes an analysis of the Li isotopic composition of the ash.

      • Curious Swede

        No I’m not sure. Did this 3 in the morning as I would not be able to sleep outherwise so someting might been messed up. I did not know the total amount of Li in the setup.I just counted backwards using the energy released in the test and the energy released transforming 7Li to 4He.

  • Frank Acland
  • Maybe the test report is taking so long because they are doing fuel sample studies, which no doubt required the services of multiple outside labs.

  • Teemu Soilamo

    ‘NEWS’ is a really unfortunate acronym, isn’t it?

    • akupaku

      “Nothing Ever Worth Saying”

      or

      “Never Ending Wonderful Story”?

      LOL ;o)

      • jimbo92107

        Now Even Worse Speculation?

        • Teemu Soilamo

          Nonconfirmed Equvoically Withstanding Scam (F9)

  • Teemu Soilamo

    ‘NEWS’ is a really unfortunate acronym, isn’t it?

    • akupaku

      “Nothing Ever Worth Saying”

      or

      “Never Ending Wonderful Story”?

      LOL ;o)

      • jimbo92107

        Now Even Worse Speculation?

        • Teemu Soilamo

          Nonconfirmed Equvoically Withstanding Spectacle

  • Alan Smith

    I really think it is important for Frank Acland to go to Stockholm – if only to report to every one here. And to make that happen http://www.Lookingforheat.com will kick off a travel fund for him with a donation of $100.00

    • Frank Acland

      Thank you very much for the generous pledge, Alan! I really appreciate it. Someone already sent me $100 via paypal, but I would prefer if anyone wishes to support this trip that they wait to send funds until we know for sure if the conference will go ahead.

      • psi2u2

        If this happens I will send some money also, Frank, tho’ I can’t send that much.

        • georgehants

          + $50.00
          It must go ahead as it seems Mr. Rossi has said he will be there.
          Only IH refusing to publish the report can now stop it, I think

    • Shiv Singh

      Hello Alan,
      I want to get in touch with you asap. I think I have the mechanism to start the lenr reaction reliably, and we need to get this going asap. Please contact me at lenrshivkumarsingh@gmail.com

      • Alan Smith

        Hi Shiv Singh. You have email.

  • Alan Smith

    I really think it is important for Frank Acland to go to Stockholm – if only to report to every one here. And to make that happen http://www.Lookingforheat.com will kick off a travel fund for him with a donation of $100.00

    • Frank Acland

      Thank you very much for the generous pledge, Alan! I really appreciate it. Someone already sent me $100 via paypal, but I would prefer if anyone wishes to support this trip that they wait to send funds until we know for sure if the conference will go ahead.

      • psi2u2

        If this happens I will send some money also, Frank, tho’ I can’t send that much.

        • georgehants

          + $50.00
          It must go ahead as it seems Mr. Rossi has said he will be there.
          Only IH refusing to publish the report can now stop it, I think

    • Shiv Singh

      Hello Alan,
      I want to get in touch with you asap. I think I have the mechanism to start the lenr reaction reliably, and we need to get this going asap. Please contact me at lenrshivkumarsingh@gmail.com

      • Alan Smith

        Hi Shiv Singh. You have email.

    • MLTC

      I might go to our capital if Andrea Rossi will be there.

  • Turning heat into electricity with carbon nanotubes could make an E-Cat car easier to build.

    http://www.foxnews.com/science/2016/03/14/mit-scientists-tout-new-greener-battery-technology.html

    • Bob Matulis

      Thanks Christopher, that was a very interesting article. They don’t mention how heat could be transferred in a way that would efficiently “wave across” the nanotubes. Also, I understand how this could be huge if one had a mechanical room with a reliable heat source. I have no idea how it could replace a portable battery? Carry a hand warmer?

    • Brokeeper

      I believe carbon nanotubes or graphene will be employed, if not now, eventually within the E-Cat X or other version because of its high electrical conductivity and storage capabilities.

  • Turning heat into electricity with carbon nanotubes could make an E-Cat car easier to build.

    http://www.foxnews.com/science/2016/03/14/mit-scientists-tout-new-greener-battery-technology.html

    • Bob Matulis

      Thanks Christopher, that was a very interesting article. They don’t mention how heat could be transferred in a way that would efficiently “wave across” the nanotubes. Also, I understand how this could be huge if one had a mechanical room with a reliable heat source. I have no idea how it could replace a portable battery? Carry a hand warmer?

    • Brokeeper

      I believe carbon nanotubes or graphene will be employed, if not now, eventually within the E-Cat X or other version because of its high electrical conductivity and storage capabilities.

  • A gentle means to announce that patience is required as what results of the year long test that might be released are to occur in Stockholm in near the end of June, some months away, sigh. Frank might want to reset his countdown clock.

    • Teemu Soilamo

      I don’t think you understand. The symposium will not be held if the results are not released.

      • Brokeeper

        If the E-Cat X is successful at the customer plant then the symposium may still be held whether results of 1MW plant is released or not.

        • Teemu Soilamo

          I don’t think Mats can afford to wait that long (April? April when? Not to mention it will probably get posponed as always). And besides, “Rossi says” is not the hard evidence he’s looking for.

        • Mats002

          Not recommended.

      • Therein lies a near infinite opportunity to mince words as to just what ‘results’ and ‘released’ means… as Mark Twain once noted, “There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.”

        • Teemu Soilamo

          No, I think it clearly means a public verification by a reputable third party. The conference will not go ahead without.

    • Brokeeper

      The AR Stockholm announcement and conference schedule was Andrea’s response to a question about the ‘E-Cat QuarkX’ by Isaias Coberly. This is not necessarily the IMW plant result announcement which still could be released by the end of this month as Rossi previously thought (perhaps on the 23rd).

      • Frank Acland

        I think AR’s announcement in Sweden will not be about the 1MW plant.

        • artefact

          I hope he will introduce the new e-cat x with some data and show us the possibilities.

  • A gentle means to announce that patience is required as what results of the year long test that might be released are to occur in Stockholm in near the end of June, some months away, sigh. Frank might want to reset his countdown clock.

    • Teemu Soilamo

      I don’t think you understand. The symposium will not be held unless the results are released and positive.

      • Brokeeper

        If the E-Cat X is successful at the customer plant then the symposium may still be held whether results of 1MW plant is released or not.

        • Mats002

          Not recommended.

      • Therein lies a near infinite opportunity to mince words as to just what ‘results’ and ‘released’ means… as Mark Twain once noted, “There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.”

        • Teemu Soilamo

          No, I think it clearly means a public verification by a reputable third party. The conference will not go ahead without.

    • Brokeeper

      The AR Stockholm announcement and conference schedule was Andrea’s response to a question about the ‘E-Cat QuarkX’ by Isaias Coberly. This is not necessarily the IMW plant result announcement which still could be released by the end of this month as Rossi previously thought (perhaps on the 23rd).

      • Frank Acland

        I think AR’s announcement in Sweden will not be about the 1MW plant.

        • artefact

          I hope he will introduce the new e-cat x with some data and show us the possibilities.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Rossi is trying to prevent IH having a monopoly on Rossi’s E-cat and/or LENR.

  • pg

    hi all, sorry but this is bull..it. if he could he would, but he can’t so so he pretends

    • timycelyn

      Well, that’s your opinion. Everyone’s entitled to one.

      Mine is different

      • psi2u2

        No one here is praying. We are reading, debating, thinking, and discussing. You appear to be out of touch with the rush of current events, including, especially the MFMP confirmation of Rossi’s basic data. It took them a couple of years to get there, which makes the announcement all the more telling. The people who have been working in the lab to replicate the Rossi effect say that it is real. Who are you to tell them it’s not? Really now.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          „MFMP confirmation of Rossi’s basic data”?

          I case that you mean the weak gamma reading, MFMP will still have to reproduce the effect and to rule out an external source or a measurement artefact. To be honest, I do not understand how they could make such a fuss without having clarified that first.

  • pg

    hi all, sorry but this is bull..it. if he could he would, but he can’t so so he pretends

    • timycelyn

      Well, that’s your opinion. Everyone’s entitled to one.

      Mine is different

    • Positron

      It’s a really really elaborate form of pretending. Go and sit in a shipping container for a year and twiddle your thumbs? To what end? He already has millions of usd from IH. If it were a con then surely he would be away on his toes by now?

      I think only 2 possibilities remain – genuine error or an actual working system. I hope the evidence supporting the latter comes out soon.

  • Fibber McGourlick

    The
    1-Meg-1- year test would be pretty much indisputable proof positive that cold fusion works sufficiently to transform our future. Based on Dr. Rossi’s various comments, the test produced significant net energy for a year—irrespective of whatever else occurred (F 9). Of course the world would have to see the certified result, with details, in order to acknowledge this wonderful breakthrough.

    If this long-term test information is unduly delayed or inaccurate, then perhaps Robert Gode’s of Brillouin Energy will be the first to offer indisputable
    proof that his device produces Cold Fusion energy in significant amounts
    and thereby offers mankind an amazing unclouded future with safe, cheap,
    pollution-free energy. As the first to unequivocally show such a result,
    the Nobel Prize and eternal fame as the man who saved the world will be his,
    and his name will ring out for all time as the world’s greatest inventor and savior. Of
    course all those that contributed to the development of cold fusion with
    developments, discussions, parallel research and so forth to help support the
    practical development of the magnificent phenomena will all win honorable
    mentions.

    • LarryJ

      I think the only indisputable proof positive that cold fusion works sufficiently to transform our future is products in the market. This latest test will receive the same hotly disputed reaction as all the others. Rossi the great charlatan has fooled them all again. No test, press release or symposium will change that. With a paradigm shift the only proof is “seeing is believing”. If I can’t buy one it is all just more hoopla as per pg’s comment below.

      But once we have products in the market then business will rush to adopt it and the shift will have begun.

      • DrD

        Very Well put!

        • georgehants

          I have a dream.

      • jimbo92107

        In the end, nothing will convince people like the incredible competitive advantage of dirt cheap, limitless energy.

        What’s a doubter going to say when his neighbor drives a car half a million miles with no gas tank? It can’t work??

        • winebuff67

          I still have a standing order for two ecats. I’m expecting to receive those at a later date. Preferably while I’m alive. 😉

    • Tom59

      It is frustrating to say that proof of LENR working has been provided abundently already but nobody is listening. Even Brillouin’s info for Congress recently did not help. We have to consider the 1yr test the first event that makes it to mainstream news after 1989, apart from showing its relevant outside the lab. I hope the COP is good enough so we don’t have to wait for the E-CatX to spark people’s imagination how to save the planet.

      • winebuff67

        Congress has its head buried where the sun don’t shine for decades and will continue that way for the foreseeable future.

        • Gerard McEk

          The count-down clock has stopped, no report arrived. Frank, didn’t you tell Rossi and IH about this clock? Or were they forgotten?
          Where do we now wait for? Peter Gluck’s proposal of the 23rd of March? As Peter says today, things are so easy for an executive report like: the average COP was 21 or so; it has run for so long; produced so much energy. Just a few figures that would change the world. Why wait? Let’s change the world Andra, Tom and whoever pull the strings there. Publish it!

          • g.k.

            Did the world really change? It has been years but

          • LarryJ

            This report will not change the world. Only products in the market will do that. If this report is positive it will be hotly disputed and ignored by the mainstream like all the others. IMHO

          • Teemu Soilamo

            Mats, where you reiterating Rossi’s estimate on the JoNP when you said ERV report mid-April at the latest, or is this based on private info?

          • Yes.

          • Heath

            Ok. So that was an either or question. Yes on private?

          • Bob Tivnan

            I think he understood the nature of the question and answered yes to both. If Rossi hires a biographer, I hope it’s Matts.

          • Heath

            Just looking for clarification. It’s in short order these days.

          • Yes, that was yes to both, meaning that Rossi told me what he also wrote at JoNP, that the ERV had committed to deliver the report within two months, which would be mid-April since the test was concluded on February 17.

          • Albert D. Kallal

            That’s a important distinction. The ERV document/report being completed and delivered to IH or Rossi is significantly different then a public release of such a document.

            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • Brokeeper

            The question is will Rossi/IH hold off at least another 45+ days to ‘announce’ the report together with the E-CatX announcement in June? Making it one big news splash.

          • Brokeeper, I wouldn’t think he has any reason to do so (see my comment above).

          • Brokeeper

            Ah, I get it, business tactical maneuverings.

          • Remember that Rossi is a long distance runner. Check my book for the story when he at 19 set the new Italian record for running 24 hours non-stop—175 kilometers and 144 meters—beating the former Italian record set in 1891 by the legendary Luigi Vittorio Bertarelli. Also check the story on when he was in prison, in a cell at the size of the container of the 1MW test, but with five other prisoners inside. He also did boxing. If anyone is able to fight a hard fight it’s him.

          • Brokeeper

            He sure can. If he can’t beat ’em he can outrun ’em. hehe 😉

          • Brokeeper

            I just ordered your book because my tax return arived. Great sales pitch. 😉

          • bachcole

            Ain’t wealth redistribution wonderful.

            If society knew how wonderful of a worker and human being is my wife, we would have gotten 7 times more of a refund.

            She is so hard working that she went to work twice in a row sick and almost passed out and had to come home early. I try to keep her from going to work sick, but she is such a trooper that it doesn’t do any good. She has plenty of sick-time, but she says that they need her (she is a cook) and so she trudges off to work like a working class hero.

            Everyone who encounters her is cheered up because she is such a sweet, innocent, and up person. I am perfectly happy with our “refund” and I think that she deserves every penny, if not more.

          • sam

            I hope the F9 Positive EVR
            report knock out punch will
            soon be here.

          • The Quark only makes sense to me if used in the following way.

            Imagine the Quark as a tiny little disk shaped fuel package about the size of a Lifesaver candy without the hole in the middle. Imagine many Quarks stuffed into a tube as a fuel package which is then stuffed into a receiving tube in the reactor mechanism. The electronics and control computer mechanisms are attached via cables to the receiving tubes that holds the fuel package tubes which holds the Quarks. So the Quark fuel cells hopefully last for 12 months and then to refuel the reactor all you have to do is quickly withdraw the fuel package tubes from the reactor receiving tubes and replace them with fresh fuel package tubes. The old fuel is dumped into machines that poke a hole in the Quarks, drain the fuel, crush the lumina casing and recycle everything. The rationale for all this is that the smaller fuel packages are more stable and everything can be accomplished by high speed automated machines with little down time to the reactor. In a home reactor, the homeowner could turn off the reactor with the flick of a switch, withdraw the fuel tubes, and exchange them for a new fresh fuel package tubes that they can insert into the reactor receiving tubes. This scenario may be totally wrong and off base, but it is the only way I could imagine the Quark adding to efficiency. Normally if you go to the store to buy something, the bigger the package the lower the cost. The Quark goes against that logic, so this fantasy is all I could come up with to explain Rossi’s interest in the Quark.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Sounds reasonable.

          • Moore’s law coming to energy. People fighting deflation with negative interest are trapped in the world of narrow sighted economics.

          • Omega Z

            Mats, Do you know how negative interest works.

            When I was young I thought, cool. They will pay me to borrow money which could in time pay off my loan. Kidding and to good to be true anyway.

            To start, Interest rates for loans increases as money demand out strips supply. We all know that.

            Negative interest comes into play when banks are setting on large sums of money not being loaned out. Negative interest is when the Fed/Government charges banks interest on that money not being utilized in an attempt to move that money into the economy. In other words, loan money to people even if they can’t pay it back. The likes of which bubbles are made of.

          • Right. In any case, my point was that deflation is here to stay. For reasons based in physics. Economists don’t see this, and since they’re afraid of deflation, believing that people will stop consuming, waiting for an even lower price (as if people stopped buying electronics… did they???), they invent all sorts of things to keep inflation alive. But Universe doesn’t care.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            It should always be possible, and easy, for a government to beat deflation: just increase taxes. It fixes deflation and deficit at the same time. If a government doesn’t do that, it’s a political choice.

            But even without that, I don’t think deflation is here to stay, anyway. With LENR, the whole world has to be rebuilt, sort of: where and how people live, how they move, etc. Already the fact that cheap heating energy enables bigger houses which can reside farther away because of cheap transportation can cause a large boom in construction industry. From the point of view of 2036, the state of the world in 2016 may look like after a war: similar to how we look into year 1946. From the point of view of LENR world, almost all of our so-called infrastructure is outdated, because everything is tuned into saving energy. Not only how people live, but also for example trade routes and trade patterns overall. For a small example, aluminium is nowadays made in places like Norway and Iceland where there exists cheap electricity for some natural reason, but it could be made anywhere.

            And then there is expansion into the solar system: the idea of building large rotating habitats using asteroid and other small body materials. Forget Mars and other planets, because they are small. The solar system has enough small body material to make trillions of square kilometres of 1g, 1 bar, radiation protected habitat area, equivalent to thousands or even one million times the surface area of the Earth. That is a Moore’s law domain. It’s starting to be technically possible, and it wouldn’t even necessarily require LENR.

            Rebuilding the world, let alone the solar system, needs capital. Perhaps accidentally, central banks have been printing it for some years now, and thus far only part of it has entered into circulation. When the boom starts, the dormant money will start to enter into the real economy and the central banks’ early start may look wise in retrospect.

          • LarryJ

            Cheap energy will cause everyone’s input costs to fall dramatically. Energy affects the cost of everything at every level from mining the raw materials to delivering the finished product. It is quite possible that deflation of a very good kind will be with us for some time to come. The stimulated economy will create a large demand for capital to build projects that in the past were not even feasible and that demand for money could cause interest rates to rise thus encouraging saving. A truly virtuous spiral. The consumer will be able to buy more and save more all at the same time.

          • Omega Z

            Those costs are only about 10% of goods on average. LENR will have it’s own costs even if substantially less overall so savings will be less then 10%.

            Note to really stimulate the economy will require major adjustments to the financial policies we follow today.

          • for people like gael giraud energy have much more impact than 10%
            he compute 60%, but other economist for china computed that 100% of growth is because of available energy.

            https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/1961-a-French-economist-explain-GdP-growth-is-mostly-energy/

            assuming stable economy, and 10x cheaper energy, you gain 9% of price, but it seems that in fact production , growth is simply proportional to available energy, and for the same cost you get 10x more possible production.

            of course it will be new product=growth of +900% (over 20-40 years), not deflation of 9% in 10-20years.

          • Omega Z

            I was merely referring to average cost input of products.

            Obviously, it has a huge economic impact. Without Oil, we would still be getting around on hay burners and getting saddle sores or splinters in our behind. 🙂

          • artefact

            On JONP:

            “gregha March 29, 2016 at 2:18 PM
            If not a full release of the ERV report, how about a synopsis?

            Andrea Rossi March 29, 2016 at 4:12 PM
            Gregha:
            Yes, I will publish it within a tenth of days, anyway.
            Warm Regards, A.R.”

          • Teemu Soilamo

            So, in 2.4 hours? Can’t wait! 😉

          • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

            That’s a good one. A perfect example of how Rossi speak can lead one to false conclusions 🙂

          • Brokeeper

            Depending on how many days. 🙂

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Innovations follow an S-curve: growth followed by saturation. Usually a tech is developed relatively quickly, and then it faces physics limits and saturates. This has happened for example to car motors, jet airplanes, launch vehicles and nuclear warheads.

            The E-cat faces limits such as Stefan-Boltzmann law and melting point of material. Because of these limits, plausibly (assuming F8,F9) the Quark is already almost as good as a LENR energy source can become, at least performancewise.

            Miniaturisation of electronics was an idea that someone got 50-60 years ago (“hey guys, there is a lot of room at the bottom”). This case is special because its full implementation, consisting of some 30 generations of chips, took so long. Only now it’s facing the limits of physics, the atomic scale. The electronics S-curve is long and its growing part was approximately exponential (“Moore’s law”), but it’s still an S-curve.

          • Pekka, you’re right about the S-curve. In the case of Moore’s law, Moore himself thought that it would be valid for a decade or two. It recently turned 50, and although silicon is coming to a physical limit, there are tons of new ideas on how to proceed on miniaturisation, keeping Moore’s law alive (through new s-curves), from three dimensional chips and use of materials such as graphene, to the evolution of quantum computing.

            LENR, as we know it, might be fairly optimised, but we now little about where further R&D will bring us. And that is still only the beginning.

            Exothermal nuclear reactions, as we know them, only transform the mass which corresponds to the binding energy for one or possibly a few nucleons in the nucleus, into ‘energy’. The total mass of the nucleon is in the order of 10,000 larger, meaning that if we could transform ALL the mass in matter, in controlled forms (think matter + anti-matter, but controlled…), you would have a possible future increase in efficiency in the order of 10,000 times.

            So, there you are. There’s still room for improvement.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            As long as the human species is as immature as it currently is (watching the news for ten minutes at a random day would suffice to confirm that), it might be better if this kind of technology were not available too soon.

          • The trouble is that human nature doesn’t seem to have changed significantly since history has been recorded, and we don’t have the luxury of waiting a few millennia for a ‘Star Trek’ society before we stop burning things for energy.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Right. But I would prefer the E-Cat to a 10000 times more effective device. 1 kg of matter equals 21.48 megatons of TNT. Imagine that in the hands of the wrong persons.

          • clovis ray

            Andreas, hi.
            What you say is true, and we as a society has a long way to go, in order to become, good but good will winn, just given time, because i believe i can change, there fore it will take just a small amount of time , be patient, be observant, and be informed, humans are good at heart, and time marches on.

          • Omega Z

            Remember, the 3.5KW Hot-cat took 4+ hours to come to power. Imagine having 30KW or more in operation even when not needed. Even cheap energy isn’t cheap if you waste 90% or more of it.

            The Quark being very small likely powered up in a couple minutes makes sense in that your energy output is scaleable to actual use demand. 100 watts or 20KW available in minutes.

          • Good point.

          • Certainly Albert. And of course, this is my concern. However, I believe that Torkel Nyberg (Sifferkoll) is correct in his analysis that Rossi has everything to gain of publishing the result as soon as possible, above all in gaining credibility and in that way also a stronger commercial position, whereas IH has less to gain for several reasons—risk of being a target for attacks and risk of Rossi building a stronger independent position from commercial activities in Europe. Tug of war (since they need to agree on what to make public). We’ll just have to see who’s stronger.

          • Frank Acland

            Rossi has the E-Cat X hand he can play, if other parties don’t want the 1MW plant report published. I think he is at liberty to share information about it without the consent of IH.

          • Albert D. Kallal

            A very astute point on your part. The
            report really helps Rossi the most, and IH really does not need (nor want) publicity until they get their ducks in a row. And by ducks in a row, I mean things like ensuring shares etc. are purchased at a low price etc.

            Perhaps the ERV report will “flesh” out pending articles from Popular Science and Nature that you noted are in “progress”.

            My base point however remains that Rossi has no control over when the ERV report will be released to the public.

            Hopefully Rossi’s NDA will not prevent him
            answering this magic question from you: What is the “average” COP of the 1WM plant on a typical day? (you do have this question ready for Rossi, right???). 😉

            As Frank notes below, Rossi may well be able to talk about the Ecat-x. However, Rossi may will NOT want to ruffle feathers and break the “spirt” of the NDA So there is the letter of the law, and that of the sprit.
            Regards,
            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • Exactly Albert.

          • NCkhawk

            Mats – Is there a chance that Rossi is operating outside of agreements with IH? Have you taken into account Rossi’s history of using half-truth to suite his purposes? These things must be considered here.

            For whatever reason, you are personally raising the stakes to a very high level right now. You may already be crossing the point of no return. LENR doesn’t need another high profile failure right now. You will have responsibility for raising a lot of potentially harmful hype and interest. You risk taking a lot of people down with you if you are getting tricked by Rossi. Sober up man and stop believing EVERYTHING that Rossi is feeding you! This is getting beyond ridiculous.

          • Brent Buckner

            OTOH, as I have it the New Energy World Symposium is still contingent upon release of a positive ERV. I don’t think Mats Lewan is “all-in” simply on Rossi’s say-so.

          • Oh, I missed this comment Nckhawk/Weaver. I’m sorry, I cannot take your advise before having more proof on your claims, getting a chance to assess them. If you have access to the MW report I think you should send it to me. That would be a way to start.

          • Alan Smith

            Personally I am sorry to see that NChawk dragged his sorry R’s in here at all.

          • Omega Z

            He who has the purse strings usually have the power.

          • clovis ray

            and the opposite is true as well , power holder’s, hold the purse. power is money, he who holder the power need not fear the rich, after all they have what is wanted, and it goes to the highest bidder, that is the free market in action. these days we need efficiency, a system that works for all,

          • Omega Z

            A Tug of War is common in Venture Capital Consortiums. Various members wanting to take different routes to market. Airbus went through it’s own growing pains. If I recall, some entities sold out their claims to a few.

            On the upside, Tug of War’s tend to only take place when there is something worth while to squabble about.

          • Frank Acland

            Maybe he means both.

          • psi2u2

            Krivit has established a long history of being wrong about Rossi. I see no reason to think that has changed.

          • deleo77

            Now someone needs to figure out how to ask Rossi the right question so we can get to the next level with this.

            1. Do you need to use F9 anymore?
            2. Will the Sweden LENR symposium now be able to move forward?

          • Michael W Wolf

            Rossi posted no more F9.

    • winebuff67

      The guy showed his tech to congress with SRI DOING the follow-up confirmation of the whole production need they do more??

      • georgehants

        The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became truth.
        1984 by George Orwell

  • Fibber McGourlick

    The
    1-Meg-1- year test would be pretty much indisputable proof positive that cold fusion works sufficiently to transform our future. Based on Dr. Rossi’s various comments, the test produced significant net energy for a year—irrespective of whatever else occurred (F 9). Of course the world would have to see the certified result, with details, in order to acknowledge this wonderful breakthrough.

    If this long-term test information is unduly delayed or inaccurate, then perhaps Robert Gode’s of Brillouin Energy will be the first to offer indisputable
    proof that his device produces Cold Fusion energy in significant amounts
    and thereby offers mankind an amazing unclouded future with safe, cheap,
    pollution-free energy. As the first to unequivocally show such a result,
    the Nobel Prize and eternal fame as the man who saved the world will be his,
    and his name will ring out for all time as the world’s greatest inventor and savior. Of
    course all those that contributed to the development of cold fusion with
    developments, discussions, parallel research and so forth to help support the
    practical development of the magnificent phenomena will all win honorable
    mentions.

    • roseland67

      OR,
      It doesn’t work, AR gets tarred and feathered,
      Run outta town on a rail and LENR starts all over again

    • roseland67

      Fibber,

      Replication of Energy out > Energy in
      would be indisputable proof,
      Would like to see isotopic ash samples replicated also.
      The upcoming 1 year test results are worth less than 2 dead flies if there is no replication.

    • LarryJ

      I think the only indisputable proof positive that cold fusion works sufficiently to transform our future is products in the market. This latest test will receive the same hotly disputed reaction as all the others. Rossi the great charlatan has fooled them all again. No test, press release or symposium will change that. With a paradigm shift the only proof is “seeing is believing”. If I can’t buy one it is all just more hoopla as per pg’s comment below.

      But once we have products in the market then business will rush to adopt it and the shift will have begun.

      • DrD

        Very Well put!

      • jimbo92107

        In the end, nothing will convince people like the incredible competitive advantage of dirt cheap, limitless energy.

        What’s a doubter going to say when his neighbor drives a car half a million miles with no gas tank? It can’t work??

        • winebuff67

          I still have a standing order for two ecats. I’m expecting to receive those at a later date. Preferably while I’m alive. 😉

          • cashmemorz

            Me too(2). I’m 70 and counting down.

    • Tom59

      It is frustrating to say that proof of LENR working has been provided abundently already but nobody is listening. Even Brillouin’s info for Congress recently did not help. We have to consider the 1yr test the first event that makes it to mainstream news after 1989, apart from showing its relevant outside the lab. I hope the COP is good enough so we don’t have to wait for the E-CatX to spark people’s imagination how to save the planet.

      • winebuff67

        Congress has its head buried where the sun don’t shine for decades and will continue that way for the foreseeable future.

        • bachcole

          Most people in Congress have their heads buried where the sun don’t shine for decades and will continue that way for the foreseeable future.

    • winebuff67

      The guy showed his tech to congress with SRI DOING the follow-up confirmation of the whole production need they do more??

      • bachcole

        Showing tech to Congress does not even qualify as a demo.

  • Lux Terrea

    They need to piss or get off the pot.

    • Mats002

      Very well put.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Senior controller: “They’re late this morning, sir.”

    Air Vice-Marshal: “The bastards are up to something.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXvEXxxx9KM

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Senior controller: “They’re late this morning, sir.”

    Air Vice-Marshal: “The bastards are up to something.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXvEXxxx9KM

  • LCD

    Fi don’t understand why f9 is still invoked. I thought we were past that

    • LarryJ

      F9 = If the test results are positive but could also be negative

      That will remain in effect until the ERV’s report comes out.

    • Alan Smith

      I think that there is an important aspect of the ERV that people seem to be overlooking. The value of cheap heat from LENR and the cost savings versus (say) gas heat are very simple to establish. 30 minutes with a pocket calculator and a pile of historic gas bills would suffice to make a case.

      But that alone is not enough.

      A proper evaluation report must take into account the whole-life cost of the system. This involves establishing the build and installation cost (relatively easy) but also the life-span of the plant and its disposal cost. Plant life span is more speculative of course, but requires a total strip-down and examination of the inside of at least 50% of the reactors as well as the last 12 months of fault logs.

      This now leads us to the hardest part. Examination of the ash by-products. If the inside of the reactors are heavily contaminated with something very nasty like Beryllium (possible) or -god forbid – a heavy radioactive element (unlikely but not totally impossible) then the end-of life disposal and fuel core replacement costs might be much higher than a simple check of the plant utility meters would suggest.

      So- not a simple report, but if done properly quite a complex one.
      .

      • wpj

        Well put.

        Also need to consider the fuel preparation costs as it appears that there is quite a bit of pre-treatment. May be insignificant in comparison to everything else, but possibly not.

        • Gerard McEk

          I do think it may be possible that the ash can partly be reused again. Maybe it is even essential for a proper start-up operation without radiation. That would automatically lead to a closed fuel cycle, that maybe demanded by the authorities when mass-scale introduction of LENR is licensed.

          • Alan Smith

            Good point Gerard. One suspects ‘the Authorities’ will not show the laissez faire approach to this tech that they did towards Nuclear power generation.

          • Alain Samoun

            Alan:
            It is important of course to know the Return On Investment,ROI, of the 1MW LENR reactor but it has also to be compared to other energy technologies. I made such comparison with Uranium fission,just for the fuel:
            Typically a 1,000 MWe nuclear reactor uses 100 tons of enriched Uranium(235) for about 5 years This means 100/5 = 20tons/year or 20,000Kg for 1000MWe or
            20 Kg of enriched Uranium for 1MW electric or about 6 Kg of U for 1MW therm. to compare to a few mg of fuel for the 1MW therm E-Cat: No need to go further in my opinion – Same comparison for a gas/oil/coal reactors.

          • Alan Smith

            I could not agree more Alain.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Further to your good argument Alain – I do not expect to see Fissile material our of New Fire reactions – and definitely NOT the super nasty 1/4 million year Plutonium!

          • Alan Smith

            Nor I Bob. Plutonium was never on my Christmas list! But someone about to invest a few (or many) millions of dollars would probably want to know everything about what exactly they are investing in. And if they use technical experts to advise them then the general skepticism about LENR would ensure some very hard questions were asked about the whole process.

          • wpj

            MFMP has suggested that Ni62 is important for the process to function and this appears to have been generated in the Lugano test so it may be possible to reuse this (if this is, in fact, the case).

            Unfortunately, is appears that the Lithium is the business side of things and so will be depleted of the required isotope. This will not stop it going into other potential uses, but not back as reactor fuel.

          • Fedir Mykhaylov

            Apparently you’re absolutely right . Some Russian replications used spent fuel additive . Apparently this is due to the hypothesis of the nuclear active environment Mr. Storm .

      • DrD

        Don’t forget the maintanance (& supervision) costs. I’m sure the prototype can’t be regarded as anything like typical (A.R acknowledged many improvements were highligthed) but if they did dial this in, it’s also going to be significant (for that prototype).

        • Alan Smith

          You are quite correct. I thought my mention of build and installation costs (which includes fuel) and fault logs (which detail repairs etc) covered these points, but obviously this wasn’t clear. Apologies.

      • Warthog

        Not quite….there is no way that the reactor will be contaminated with beryllium unless it was in the fuel in the first place (referring to stable isotopes). The question of radiation safety is answered in about 30 seconds with a Geiger or scintillation counter. The only reason for an extensive fuel analysis as you suggest is to understand the nuclear reactions involved.

        • Alan Smith

          Not quite indeed, because you cannot estimate the cost of core replacement/recycling without understanding precisely what a spent core might contain. And since no reactor has (AFAIK) ever run so long or been driven to the point of fuel exhaustion as AR suggested this one has, how can anyone possibly be absolutely certain what will be inside? It really isn’t going to be as simple as you suggest. Consider this, if your suggested 30 second flourish of a radiation detector does show residual radiation, where do you go next?

          • Warthog

            Sure you can. Just assume that the core will be totally expended and nothing in it will be recycled. For engineering purposes, one doesn’t need to “know with absolute certainty what will be inside”. Only scientific purposes require that. One needs only know “is it radioactive” and “how much”. lf “not radioactive”, send it to the local landfill. If “radioactive” it goes into the already-defined radwaste disposal system. That sets the upper bound of the cost ESTIMATE sufficiently for the current purposes of the validation report and customer, which, I think is what most folks here are interested in.

            This leaves plenty of time to answer the scientific questions that require a full analysis of the contents. Although with analytical tools like ICP-MS even determining that won’t take all that long.

      • BillH

        Two points, the lifecycle cost of the plant can only be assessed by running it for however long it will run, much more important for the customer is the point at which they have recovered their investment, current estimates put this between 1 and 2 years.

        Radioactivity issues are very unlikely be a problem. Radioactivity monitoring outside and inside the reactor must have been a health and safety issue and would be monitored continuously throughout the whole test. Unless a problem occurred in the last week of the test say this would have been a stopper much earlier in the test. The ash test may only help in establish what nuclear interaction took place.

        If the customer is happy the only real issue is can the plant be manufactured profitably?

        • Alan Smith

          Accountancy, accountancy, chemistry, engineering studies,accountancy. I have never seen an accountant get a shift on yet. Unless it is covering the distance between the 18th hole and the Clubhouse.

      • sam

        Interesting comment Alan.

    • Rene

      I wish we were past that. It will be settled, one way or the other, when the ERV’s report is made public. Until then:

      http://www.awesomebackgrounds.com/templates/countdown-clock.GIF

  • LCD

    Fi don’t understand why f9 is still invoked. I thought we were past that

    • LarryJ

      F9 = If the test results are positive but could also be negative

      That will remain in effect until the ERV’s report comes out.

    • Alan Smith

      I think that there is an important aspect of the ERV that people seem to be overlooking. The value of cheap heat from LENR and the cost savings versus (say) gas heat are very simple to establish. 30 minutes with a pocket calculator and a pile of historic gas bills would suffice to make a case.

      But that alone is not enough.

      A proper evaluation report must take into account the whole-life cost of the system. This involves establishing the build and installation cost (relatively easy) but also the life-span of the plant and its disposal cost. Plant life span is more speculative of course, but requires a total strip-down and examination of the inside of at least 50% of the reactors as well as the last 12 months of fault logs.

      This now leads us to the hardest part. Examination of the ash by-products. If the inside of the reactors are heavily contaminated with something very nasty like Beryllium (possible) or -god forbid – a heavy radioactive element (unlikely but not totally impossible) then the end-of life disposal and fuel core replacement costs might be much higher than a simple check of the plant utility meters would suggest.

      So- not a simple report, but if done properly quite a complex one.
      .

      • wpj

        Well put.

        Also need to consider the fuel preparation costs as it appears that there is quite a bit of pre-treatment. May be insignificant in comparison to everything else, but possibly not.

        • Gerard McEk

          I do think it may be possible that the ash can partly be reused again. Maybe it is even essential for a proper start-up operation without radiation. That would automatically lead to a closed fuel cycle, that maybe demanded by the authorities when mass-scale introduction of LENR is licensed.

          • Alan Smith

            Good point Gerard. One suspects ‘the Authorities’ will not show the laissez faire approach to this tech that they did towards Nuclear power generation.

          • Alain Samoun

            Alan:
            It is important of course to know the Return On Investment,ROI, of the 1MW LENR reactor but it has also to be compared to other energy technologies. I made such comparison with Uranium fission,just for the fuel:
            Typically a 1,000 MWe nuclear reactor uses 100 tons of enriched Uranium(235) for about 5 years This means 100/5 = 20tons/year or 20,000Kg for 1000MWe or
            20 Kg of enriched Uranium for 1MW electric or about 6 Kg of U for 1MW therm. to compare to a few mg of fuel for the 1MW therm E-Cat: No need to go further in my opinion – Same comparison for a gas/oil/coal reactors.

          • Alan Smith

            I could not agree more Alain.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Further to your good argument Alain – I do not expect to see Fissile material our of New Fire reactions – and definitely NOT the super nasty 1/4 million year Plutonium!

          • Alan Smith

            Nor I Bob. Plutonium was never on my Christmas list! But someone about to invest a few (or many) millions of dollars would probably want to know everything about what exactly they are investing in. And if they use technical experts to advise them then the general skepticism about LENR would ensure some very hard questions were asked about the whole process.

          • wpj

            MFMP has suggested that Ni62 is important for the process to function and this appears to have been generated in the Lugano test so it may be possible to reuse this (if this is, in fact, the case).

            Unfortunately, is appears that the Lithium is the business side of things and so will be depleted of the required isotope. This will not stop it going into other potential uses, but not back as reactor fuel.

          • Fedir Mykhaylov

            Apparently you’re absolutely right . Some Russian replications used spent fuel additive . Apparently this is due to the hypothesis of the nuclear active environment Mr. Storm .

      • DrD

        Don’t forget the maintanance (& supervision) costs. I’m sure the prototype can’t be regarded as anything like typical (A.R acknowledged many improvements were highligthed) but if they did dial this in, it’s also going to be significant (for that prototype).

        • Alan Smith

          You are quite correct. I thought my mention of build and installation costs (which includes fuel) and fault logs (which detail repairs etc) covered these points, but obviously this wasn’t clear. Apologies.

      • Warthog

        Not quite….there is no way that the reactor will be contaminated with beryllium unless it was in the fuel in the first place (referring to stable isotopes). The question of radiation safety is answered in about 30 seconds with a Geiger or scintillation counter. The only reason for an extensive fuel analysis as you suggest is to understand the nuclear reactions involved.

        • Alan Smith

          Not quite indeed, because you cannot estimate the cost of core replacement/recycling without understanding precisely what a spent core might contain. And since no reactor has (AFAIK) ever run so long or been driven to the point of fuel exhaustion as AR suggested this one has, how can anyone possibly be absolutely certain what will be inside? It really isn’t going to be as simple as you suggest. Consider this, if your suggested 30 second flourish of a radiation detector does show residual radiation, where do you go next?

          • Warthog

            Sure you can. Just assume that the core will be totally expended and nothing in it will be recycled. For engineering purposes, one doesn’t need to “know with absolute certainty what will be inside”. Only scientific purposes require that. One needs only know “is it radioactive” and “how much”. lf “not radioactive”, send it to the local landfill. If “radioactive” it goes into the already-defined radwaste disposal system. That sets the upper bound of the cost ESTIMATE sufficiently for the current purposes of the validation report and customer, which, I think is what most folks here are interested in.

            This leaves plenty of time to answer the scientific questions that require a full analysis of the contents and refining the cost estimate down assuming recycling. Although with analytical tools like ICP-MS even determining that won’t take all that long.

      • BillH

        Two points, the lifecycle cost of the plant can only be assessed by running it for however long it will run, much more important for the customer is the point at which they have recovered their investment, current estimates put this between 1 and 2 years.

        Radioactivity issues are very unlikely be a problem. Radioactivity monitoring outside and inside the reactor must have been a health and safety issue and would be monitored continuously throughout the whole test. Unless a problem occurred in the last week of the test say this would have been a stopper much earlier in the test. The ash test may only help in establish what nuclear interaction took place.

        If the customer is happy the only real issue is can the plant be manufactured profitably?

        • Alan Smith

          Accountancy, accountancy, chemistry, engineering studies,accountancy. I have never seen an accountant get a shift on yet. Unless it is covering the distance between the 18th hole and the Clubhouse.

          Monitoring radiation outside the reactor is easy.of course, inside it is way more difficult (too hot) without a window in the shielding.

          • BillH

            Difficult, but not impossible, and I would say useful and essential.
            A tiny probe head in the reactor wall with a sensor connected to an external meter, plus a data logger to capture any anomalies.

      • sam

        Interesting comment Alan.

    • Rene

      I wish we were past that. It will be settled, one way or the other, when the ERV’s report is made public. Until then:

      http://www.awesomebackgrounds.com/templates/countdown-clock.GIF

  • pg

    0!?

    • artefact

      Still -14h 🙂

      • DrD

        Except he’s since been saying not till the end of the month and even that’s not a promise. I can see the crtics using this.

        • artefact

          The counter is just an estimate and the critics you refer to say much when the day is long.

  • pg

    0!?

    • artefact

      Still -14h 🙂

      • DrD

        Except he’s since been saying not till the end of the month and even that’s not a promise. I can see the crtics using this.

        • artefact

          The counter is (was) just an estimate and the critics you refer to say much when the day is long.

  • DrD

    Indeed, and each of those 20 might be made up of 100w quarks. Or AN other combination. I suppose a lot depends on how simple he can make each quark in terms of control and servicing.
    As a comparison, Imagine all the pixels in a display screen we control those very well; I doubt the E-CatX control will be as complex.
    Maybe each quark or sub assembly of quarks would be “unplugged” a bit like a car battery or bulb and returned for refurbishing.

  • georgehants

    I still have a dream.
    ———
    From LENR forum
    https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2882-The-Space-Show-LENR-updates-with-Dr-Edmund-Storms-March-16-2-3-30-GMT/?postID=15324#post15324
    Now online, listen to interviewwith @Storms .
    thespaceshow.com/show/15-mar-2…st-2666-dr.-edmund-storms

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Someone please find the bean counter of the customer and apply water boarding. (:

  • Mark S.

    The announcement does not come before June? Another delay tactic. Is anyone elses scam meter doing off?

    • Robyn Wyrick

      That is hilarious. Really, after all the specific disclosures by IH, the third party confirmations, the third party replications, the general growth of the technology worldwide – after all that, you think June is some clever “tactic”?

      Here’s what I think: Rossi is not a brilliant scientist and engineer who has created a successful and patented LENR technology which has been bought and tested by Industrial Heat, which has not been confirmed by extensive third party tests by highly reputable scientists, and which has not been replicated by Parkhamov and others – Rossi is a brilliant scientist and engineer who has created super-duper fake out machine that happens to align with a bunch of other coincidences.

      It was amazing luck for him that Industrial Heat happened to think they bought his technology at the same time that he claimed that they did. The man is a scam artist genius.

      • bachcole

        I live a deprived life. My wife gets all of the LOLs around here, and I get very few. Life is just not fair. So, when I read “It was amazing luck for him that Industrial Heat happened to think they
        bought his technology at the same time that he claimed that they did.” and get a really nice LOL, I really appreciate it. You bring a little joy to the downtrodden. (:->)

        • Freethinker

          Ohhh, cheer up Roger. Things are about to go ballistic in a galactic way.

      • Mark S.

        Your second paragraph says it all.

        Your third paragraph reminds me of the banks and the morgage loan frauds that they did not see.

        Keep praying. I will wait for good independent confirmation.

        • Omega Z

          So you’re saying Industrial Heat/Tom Darden and friends are running a scam.

          • psi2u2

            Obviously it must be so. LENR is impossible. Therefore this is the only possibility.

          • Mark S.

            LENR might not be impossible BUT that is a different issue than Rossi and Ecat are a scam. I was on Rossi’s side but have flipped to scam side until i see independent good quality evidence that LENR is producing industrial strength power in a usable way … like Rossi claims. Otherwise, i think it is foolish to invest even one penny in this E-cat venture.

          • timycelyn

            Well don’t then.

            Everyone is entitled to ther opinions, np matter how facile or ridiculous they seem to those who have studied the subject in greater detail.

          • bachcole

            Aw, Stalingrad all over again. You’re going to fight every frigging step of the way to the very last man (and woman if we are talking about the Soviet forces).

            I am afraid that your thinking style manifests as being very close to skeptopathology. If Rossi doesn’t convince you, then he must be a crook (or crazy), not the scary arena of uncertainty when one is honest enough with one’s self to know that one does not know.

            Mark S., you just don’t know. Be man enough to say that to yourself and stop calling people names. You have no more evidence for Rossi’s crook-hood than you do for his techno-saint-hood.

          • Robyn Wyrick

            ” i think it is foolish to invest even one penny in this E-cat venture.”

            I am sure you will not. Rossi will be heartbroken.

          • bachcole

            Mark S., I am sure that from your perspective investing even one penny in this E-cat venture would be terribly foolish. What we are saying is that you can get a fresh and much more hopeful and convincing perspective if you will look at the evidence and understand the risk of the people who are saying that it is true.

        • psi2u2

          No one here is praying. We are reading, debating, thinking, and discussing. You appear to be out of touch with the rush of current events, including, especially the MFMP confirmation of Rossi’s basic data. It took them a couple of years to get there, which makes the announcement all the more telling. The people who have been working in the lab to replicate the Rossi effect say that it is real. Who are you to tell them it’s not? Really now.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            „MFMP confirmation of Rossi’s basic data”?

            I case that you mean the weak gamma reading, MFMP will still have to reproduce the effect and to rule out an external source or a measurement artefact. To be honest, I do not understand how they could make such a fuss without having clarified that first.

          • bachcole

            I don’t give a flying forward fig about gamma reading other than as an indirect or secondary indicator. Did they get excess heat? That is what matters. I didn’t hear that.

      • psi2u2

        Indeed Robyn, well put.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        Or maybe the comment’s words were random and they formed sentences by coincidence.

    • Teemu Soilamo

      What announcement are you referring to? The ERV report? When did Rossi specifically say that he would be disclosing those results in June? Reading comprehension…

    • US_Citizen71

      Yes my scam meter pegs when it gets near your name.

    • psi2u2

      No. We’ve heard too much to play for those kind of games. What US Citizen below said. My scam meter goes off when I read comments like this.

  • Robyn Wyrick

    That is hilarious. Really, after all the specific disclosures by IH, the third party confirmations, the third party replications, the general growth of the technology worldwide – after all that, you think June is some clever “tactic”?

    Here’s what I think: Rossi is not a brilliant scientist and engineer who has created a successful and patented LENR technology which has been bought and tested by Industrial Heat, which has not been confirmed by extensive third party tests by highly reputable scientists, and which has not been replicated by Parkhamov and others – Rossi is a brilliant scientist and engineer who has created super-duper fake out machine that happens to align with a bunch of other coincidences.

    It was amazing luck for him that Industrial Heat happened to think they bought his technology at the same time that he claimed that they did. The man is a scam artist genius.

    • bachcole

      I live a deprived life. My wife gets all of the LOLs around here, and I get very few. Life is just not fair. So, when I read “It was amazing luck for him that Industrial Heat happened to think they
      bought his technology at the same time that he claimed that they did.” and get a really nice LOL, I really appreciate it. You bring a little joy to the downtrodden. (:->)

      • Freethinker

        Ohhh, cheer up Roger. Things are about to go ballistic in a galactic way.

    • psi2u2

      Indeed Robyn, well put.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Or maybe the comment’s words were random and they formed sentences by coincidence.

  • Teemu Soilamo

    What announcement are you referring to? The ERV report? When did Rossi specifically mention that he would disclosing the report’s results in June? Reading comprehension…

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “jcr March 17, 2016 at 11:53 AM
    Dear Dr Andrea Rossi,
    In June is it possible that in June a plant of the E-Cat in operation will be visitable by selected persons?
    If yes, will be the same one that has made the 1 year test ?
    Thaks, JCR

    Andrea Rossi March 17, 2016 at 12:37 PM
    JCR:
    1- It is not impossible
    2- no
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

  • TheGomp

    The critics and pathological skeptics no longer matter. They only speak to each other and their conviction is waning. Proper skeptics and critics are now focusing their comments on constructive feedback. Come on MY and Popeye, share some more of your inexhaustible bunko-babble!

    • GreenWin

      “bunko-babble –brilliant

  • LION

    I think the ECW community will find this interesting, I am looking forward to seeing this film,
    http://www.custodianoffire.com/CustodianofFIRE.com/COLD_FUSION.html

  • LION

    I think the ECW community will find this interesting, I am looking forward to seeing this film,
    http://www.custodianoffire.com/CustodianofFIRE.com/COLD_FUSION.html

  • e-dog

    Merry St Pats day to all.
    Just wondering if Frank and you guys would be interested in organising/arranging/attending a Q&A ask me anything style Reddit session here on ECW??
    I think ECW has the numbers, civility and cred to host a really entertaining and informative live session.

    Not sure how much work would be involved, a lot I am sure.
    Who would you like to see on possible contenders list????????

    Just a thought!
    Id like to see Bob G from MFMP, I think he would kick it off smashingly. and he pretty much doest it anyways!
    Matts L would be cool!

    … Rossi….

  • e-dog

    Merry St Pats day to all.
    Just wondering if Frank and you guys would be interested in organising/arranging/attending a Q&A ask me anything style Reddit session here on ECW??
    I think ECW has the numbers, civility and cred to host a really entertaining and informative live session.

    Not sure how much work would be involved, a lot I am sure.
    Who would you like to see on possible contenders list????????

    Just a thought!
    Id like to see Bob G from MFMP, I think he would kick it off smashingly. and he pretty much doest it anyways!
    Matts L would be cool!

    … Rossi….

  • Dms

    If you want to find out what is happening with plants, results, and his technology, you need to be an investor. Otherwise, we have a long wait Don’t expect much at Mats conference. Until industrial heat thinks it is in their best interest to disclose anything, we will have only Rossi says. It has been that way for several years and will likely stay that way for a while.

    Everyone has a way to be an investor. Invest in the Woolford Fund. That is what I am going to do before this thing does becomes common knowledge.

    • Brokeeper

      In reference to integrity, not just amount, of all the celebrities, politicians, professionals, scientists, inventors and leaders I’m aware of there are very few I would trust more than what “Rossi says”.

      • bachcole

        I agree. Mostly, I would trust them to use people, one of the most egregious forms of dishonesty. People are an end in themselves, and not a means to an end.

  • clovis ray

    Hi, guys, now this kind of evidence, is just hard to beat, the happiness measurement of the customer, this was back when, his first power bill came due, this was huge in my mind back when I first read it . http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/07/11/e-cat-customer-happy-with-energy-bills-rossi/

  • US_Citizen71

    Yes my scam meter pegs when it gets near your name.

  • Brokeeper

    I’m sorry, but of all the celebrities, politicians, professionals, scientists, inventors and leaders I’m aware of there are very few I would trust more than what “Rossi says”.

  • jimbo92107

    The countdown clock appears to have reached zero.

    Bueller? Bueller?

    • DrD

      Yes, it should now be reading +1.

  • jimbo92107

    The countdown clock appears to have reached zero.

    Bueller? Bueller?

    • DrD

      Yes, it should now be reading +1.

  • Paul Maher

    What do the bookmakers put on this LENR business? I recently found an extended list of players in the LENR race. There were about 24 outfits on the list of varying aspects of LENR. A well known blogger put it up, but I can’t remember his name.
    All of this concern for Rossi, when there are at least a dozen others working in the wings. I have heard that the big players have not stepped up yet.
    May good things happen in due time in the transition from Fossil Fuels to Superconducting LENR Hybrids.
    I understand that there are groups trying to figure best way to proceed. It is a lot for the oil industry and the majority of the population to get their heads and finances wrapped around. Let alone the Utility Companies. But, if we are to rise to the occasion and do what we must to gain greater control of our impact on the planet we must certainly move towards adoption of LENR, and several other related things that have grown out of CMP.
    Would someone here please verify the claims of the following website?
    superconductors.org
    and give it a critique?
    LOL,
    Paul

    • Zack Iszard

      @Paul, about superconductivity.org, in particular the “superconductor news” section, clearly makes some strong claims about RTSC, with the most recent transition observed in the neighborhood of +160 C. However, it is important to note that these measurements are very subtle indicators of a transition in a material that is highly impure for the superconducting structure. The layered linear crystal structure the author(s) (and presumably the experimenter(s), as well) describes are incredibly difficult to prepare in any meaningful quantity. That is why the data the author presents appear to be very noisy – to see any evidence of electronic transition, the data is stretched to its limit.

      Because of the admitted high level of difficulty of preparing the alleged RTSC crystals, the data are not very convincing. While the author(s)’ efforts seem legitimate and focused, a tiny gap in a resistance trace during a heating cycle is very far from a wire with kilo-amp bandwidth, and as such is likely not too interesting to other material scientists. The “layer cake method” synthesis approach also doesn’t seem dramatically scalable or amenable to other currently-employed large-scale material manufacturing techniques, further reducing the attractiveness of the research.

      My impression from studying for two semesters under a material scientist actively researching superconducting/super-resisting 2D materials is that there isn’t a paranoia in material science about RTSC being possible or not (he alluded to RTSC already having been discovered, “but its not widely known”), unlike the paranoiac avoidance of LENR by the high energy physics establishment. The author of superconductivity.org seems to think that there is such an avoidance by the scientific community. Likely, the author is confusing a difficulty of reaching an audience with a “data double standard”.

      Focus on planar carbon structures is more or less dominating electronics material research at the moment, and RTSC systems in graphene have been assumed real for decades. Graphene’s attractiveness stems largely from the fact that it doesn’t require (much) rare earth metals to have interesting properties, which is a profound selling point (literally) in the push for cheaper, lighter, faster electronics. Not only that, but I could certainly do with a clearer conscience about my use of electronic goods if I knew that slaves in African jungles weren’t mining rare earth metals to support the industry.

      TL;DR: no considerable question to doubt the truth value of facts presented on superconductivity.org, but plenty of reason to doubt the gravity and applicability of the approaches used to achieve RTSC. Unfortunately, this research may be reduced to a historical footnote; in a word, graphene.

    • jimbo92107

      It would be pretty funny to find out that there were huge players in this game that we knew nothing about, and that there were multiple LENR tech announcements of which none of us were aware.

      But I don’t see the signs of an undercurrent of incipient tech breakthroughs. Where are the rumors? Things like this don’t remain a secret in our gossip-crazy species.

      • Owen Geiger

        One rumor was broadcast on Jamie Martinez’s Cold Fusion Now radio. One or two years ago he said there was at least one company working on LENR completely in the shadows (no publicity, working in secret). Has anyone heard an update on that rumor?
        http://coldfusionnow.org/cold-fusion-radio/

  • georgehants

    How will the history of Cold Fusion be taught in future establishment textbooks.
    ———-
    The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became truth.
    1984 by George Orwell

  • georgehants

    “The layman always means, when he says “reality” that he is speaking
    of something self-evidently known; whereas to me it seems the most
    important and exceedingly difficult task of our time is to work on the
    construction of a new idea of reality.”
    ~Wolfgang Pauli

  • georgehants

    “The layman always means, when he says “reality” that he is speaking
    of something self-evidently known; whereas to me it seems the most
    important and exceedingly difficult task of our time is to work on the
    construction of a new idea of reality.”
    ~Wolfgang Pauli

  • catfish

    It’s show up or shut up time. No more talk of e-cat y, or quarklet. Let’s hear yes or no.

  • Zack Iszard

    @Paul, about superconductivity.org, in particular the “superconductor news” section, clearly makes some strong claims about RTSC, with the most recent transition observed in the neighborhood of +160 C. However, it is important to note that these measurements are very subtle indicators of a transition in a material that is highly impure for the superconducting structure. The layered linear crystal structure the author(s) (and presumably the experimenter(s), as well) describes are incredibly difficult to prepare in any meaningful quantity. That is why the data the author presents appear to be very noisy – to see any evidence of electronic transition, the data is stretched to its limit.

    Because of the admitted high level of difficulty of preparing the alleged RTSC crystals, the data are not very convincing. While the author(s)’ efforts seem legitimate and focused, a tiny gap in a resistance trace during a heating cycle is very far from a wire with kilo-amp bandwidth, and as such is likely not too interesting to other material scientists. The “layer cake method” synthesis approach also doesn’t seem dramatically scalable or amenable to other currently-employed large-scale material manufacturing techniques, further reducing the attractiveness of the research.

    My impression from studying for two semesters under a material scientist actively researching superconducting/super-resisting 2D materials is that there isn’t a paranoia in material science about RTSC being possible or not (he alluded to RTSC already having been discovered, “but its not widely known”), unlike the paranoiac avoidance of LENR by the high energy physics establishment. The author of superconductivity.org seems to think that there is such an avoidance by the scientific community. Likely, the author is confusing a difficulty of reaching an audience with a “data double standard”.

    Focus on planar carbon structures is more or less dominating electronics material research at the moment, and RTSC systems in graphene have been assumed real for decades. Graphene’s attractiveness stems largely from the fact that it doesn’t require (much) rare earth metals to have interesting properties, which is a profound selling point (literally) in the push for cheaper, lighter, faster electronics. Not only that, but I could certainly do with a clearer conscience about my use of electronic goods if I knew that slaves in African jungles weren’t mining rare earth metals to support the industry.

    TL;DR: no considerable question to doubt the truth value of facts presented on superconductivity.org, but plenty of reason to doubt the gravity and applicability of the approaches used to achieve RTSC. Unfortunately, this research may be reduced to a historical footnote; in a word, graphene.

    • oldrolledgold

      Rossi said that his technology had to be integrated with current energy tech or be killed (from memory).When the report comes out showing the COP and a rough rate of adoption can be ascertained.Will this allow a rational price for oil to be found?During market panics things tend to overshoot but if integration is expected,will governments impose a price level?

      • LilyLover

        Oil is dead. The report will precipitate the secondary decline and even the “derivative sickers” will jump the titanic. Right now it is the speculative upper end. When certainty shows up – oil will close on to zero. Rational oil price is negative i.e. $-180/bbl for gathering and mitigating scattered pollution and marginal lung attacks.

        BTW Thank you Dr. Rossi!!

        • AdrianAshfield

          Not so. Do you really think all the cars and trucks will be scrapped overnight?

          • invient

            The replacement rate is 8 years for the average first world fleet of autos.

            That is under normal conditions. A new technology, disruptive and with so many benefits, I think the government could incentivize and speed this up to 2-4 years. Fossil fuels must be left in the ground and this is the best technology to do that.

          • Angry SQUIRREL!!

            nope. 1st someone has to create a proof of concept. Then it has to go through vigorous testing, then it will only be available in limited quantities and will be very expensive. I say within the next 20 years it will be available to the masses.

          • Hi all

            In reply to Angry SQUIRREL

            The concept is already proven, it is called an electric car every major car company is already prepped for this. We already discussed this on this site. They do not need to do anything more than link up a pile of quark drives to provide the electrics.

            Kind regards walker

          • Omega Z

            Cars are structurally designed and built with specific drive trains in mind. Most of which have been around for decades, but can still take several years to bring a new vehicle to market. According to a car manufacturer(Discussed with Rossi), it will take 10 plus years for a new technology. Angry SQUIRREL is within reality.

          • Hi all

            In reply to Omega Z on the matter of “drive trains ”

            The drive train of an electric car is an electric motor. The fuel is electricity.

            That electricity can and does come from multiple sources:

            Batteries.
            The petrol or diesel motor of a hybrid.
            Hydrogen fuel cell
            Heck even solar

            Where the electricity comes from makes not a jot of difference to an electric drive train.

            For the car manufacturers the electricity source is as trivial as changing a battery.

            People can, will and have done it themselves
            A small electric generator using fossil fuel in the back of a RAV 4, or in the engine compartment of a hybrid by throwing away the superfluous and inefficient conventional combustion engine and gears and drive train, direct electric drive to each wheel supplied by electrics is faster and way more efficient.

            The more important thing is how long it takes for people to decide to replace their car, this was discussed elsewhere. Most fleets get changed over in about 8 years. With a government support like the scrappage scheme it could be done in four years.

            Will entrenched players attempt to slow down adoption with lobbied regulation and taxes of course. That is the purpose of elected bodies their laws and taxes, what you thought it was all about the public good?

            Then why do they spend so much money on lobbying and complex bribery structures in representative, democracy; such as thousands of dollar ticket speaking luncheons, boxes of never to be read, signed special edition books ghost written for politicians on the company tax deductible training budget? Yep, you the tax payer pays the bribe.

            And then there are all the non executive directorships in subcontractors of the companies that benefited from the laws a politician voted on, sometimes they are traded between the politicians. The sponsored jobs on NGOs and public bodies with massive salaries attached. What you thought all those positions on charity boards were paid for by donations in tins? No it is all about laundering the bribe.

            Kind Regards walker

          • LarryJ

            Stocks and commodities are generally priced based on what the market thinks they will be worth in the future and not on what they are actually worth today. Markets tend to be forward looking. That is why a company that shows current strong earnings with a poor outlook will take a big price hit.

            Right now there is a glut of oil and the still relatively high price is based on what the market thinks it will be worth in the future. If the market view of the future price of oil changes then the price could be marked down very quickly.

          • Omega Z

            The price of stocks will reflect future value and profitability. The price of oil will reflect supply/demand in current time. The stock price will decline overtime(Wont happen quickly) as it shrinks down, but oil could still see $100 a barrel if supply doesn’t meet demand.
            IF/When LENR becomes viable in vehicles, it will take about 10 years for those vehicles to come to market. Another 20 years to replace the 1.5 billion vehicles that will likely be on the road at that time.

          • EEStorFanFibb

            I agree that even if the transition from oil use was heavily underway, the oil price could go way up OR down depending on the balance between production and demand.

            where I disagree with you is about oil stock prices. those could go down in a hurry and stay down once the writing is clearly on the wall even if profits were still decent. this is because much of the asset values on the oil company balance sheets (oil reserves) are soon to seen as worthless stranded assets. LENR might help accelerate the writing of that text in the mind of investors. EVs certainly will once 200+ mile $35k models proliferate.

            Need a real world example? look at how fast coal stocks lost 90+% of there value in a just a few years or so.

          • psi2u2

            Gunnar,

            The moderate tone of your skepticism proves that you are not a pathoskeptic. It is perfectly reasonable to say that you still have ground for doubt. Indeed, we should all continue to have some ground for doubt, at least until we see the abstract (at least) of the new report — and depending on your perspective, maybe as you say a lot more. For myself I’m ready to say that when the report or significant parts of it become available, if it says what we think it is going to say, then I am satisfied that Bkrharold’s enthusiasm is fully justified without any need for further doubt.

            This is not just because of the new test and report, but because yet another confirmation at this level will be enough for me.

            Skepticism is healthy. What is not healthy is skepticism above all else, including being unable to take in new data and revise one’s degree of skepticism accordingly (Lugano, IH statement, MFMP validation, etc…..)

          • clovis ray

            I agree, we will need you gunnar, the war will soon start, when the world kicks in and the storm is brewing, a lot of folks are going to be unhappy.
            And we may all have to pull together , in order to get through the rough weather ahead, and we do have right on our side.

  • ScienceFan

    The waiting is a special kind of agony. After waiting this long for the test to be over, waiting for the results is pure torture.

  • ScienceFan

    The waiting is a special kind of agony. After waiting this long for the test to be over, waiting for the results is pure torture.

  • Gerard McEk

    The count-down clock has stopped, no report arrived. Frank, didn’t you tell Rossi and IH about this clock? Or were they forgotten?
    Where do we now wait for? Peter Gluck’s proposal of the 23rd of March? As Peter says today, things are so easy for an executive report like: the average COP was 21 or so; it has run for so long; produced so much energy. Just a few figures that would change the world. Why wait? Let’s change the world Andra, Tom and whoever pull the strings there. Publish it!

    • g.k.

      Did the world really change? It has been years but

    • catman

      Check the last 3 blogs on http://www.sifferkoll.se , maybe he is on to the real reason for the delay ?

    • LarryJ

      This report will not change the world. Only products in the market will do that. If this report is positive it will be hotly disputed and ignored by the mainstream like all the others. IMHO

      • bachcole

        No other report has been hotly disputed by the mainstream news media. Only ignored. I’m hope we’ll get to hotly disputed part at least. (:->) And I agree, cold fusion is so far out in left field for most news media people that this report will only be of value to people on the fence.

  • Ken

    These things are always hurry up and wait situations. I can’t follow it daily or i’d go buggers with impatience. Great to see other players with positive tests though. Hope is all I can have though due to the the soured playing field by less than honest histories involved.

  • Veblin

    These update numbers do not match.

    I seem to remember an original thread that was quickly updated with what Peter Gluck wrote, but it was only updated in the title. We are at title update 3 and thread update 2.5.

    • Frank Acland

      Thanks Veblin — you are right. This is actually the second update since the original post.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Here is an overview of what a “what people want to hear” report might be composed of.

      On COP: 6+ / higher / Potential for closed loop
      On ASH: Valuable / Safe / Unsafe but better than traditional nuclear / Unsafe
      PARTS & LABOUR per kW/h compared to other generation means: Better / comparable / worse
      CO2 compared to other generation means: Lower / same / higher
      DECOMMISSIONING costs: Favourable / unfavourable

      So a sample report might read

      COP: Potential for closed loop
      ASH: Safe for handling
      PARTS & LABOUR: Better per kW/h than competing technology
      CO2: Lower
      DECOMMISSIONING: Favourable

      • Omega Z

        ->PARTS & LABOUR: Better per kW/h than competing technology

        It’s not necessary to be PARTS & LABOUR: Better per kW/h as long as it’s competitive. With Fossil energy, you have additional costs for a centralized grid structure along with rail transport and pipelines. And because of their large scale you need large water supplies. Even wind and solar require a large grid structure due to the intermittency.

        LENR in worst case is still well suited for a localized micro grid avoiding all those additional costs. And the only fuel transport for LENR is an annual UPS delivery truck.

        • Mats002

          UPS delivery quadrocopter 😉

          Deliver to any place.

      • Mike Henderson

        I don’t expect to see a positive report before February, 2017. Seriously.

        What are the political, economic, and societal impacts of that report? Let’s do a thought experiment on Bob’s sample report, and let’s also suppose that the author’s credibility and methods are substantial.

        The report is truly disruptive. Modern physics is wrong. Science is fallible. Coal is worthless. Nuclear power is done. Most refineries are soon to be shuttered. OPEC’s power is gone. Financial holdings in energy, utilities, and modes of distribution are dandelions – poof. Be prepared for “The Big Short” on steroids. Millions of jobs will be eliminated. Energy tax and tariff revenues will evaporate. Desalination will be cheap. Carbon recapture and sequestering will be feasible. Electric everything.

        The threat to the sacred cows of the status quo would be huge. You think we have problems with energy interests now? Just wait, you ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.

        It is an election year and the U.S. political system is in the throes of revealing the flaws of this form of democracy. Throwing Bob’s sample report onto this bonfire would be explosive.

        Nope. Not gonna happen. If the test was 100% favorable and credible, there won’t be a reveal.

        • Bob Greenyer

          You make a strong argument Mike. Moreover, the Bankster class will want to move their liabilities onto the taxpayer if they can… a bit like the new fission reactor in UK having the price of electricity with profit all guaranteed by the UK taxpayer for many decades.

          • Skip

            Same with the totally unnecessary Site C dam in BC Canada. Major environmental damage is in process for a Huge financial outlay promoted and supported by a manipulated Provincial Premier, for short term construction employment. I guess its important to appear to do something, even when pointless and resulting in the continued and increased servitude of the taxpayers. I could quote the cost estimates, but they are an obvious lie…

        • roseland67

          Mike,

          The “report” will not be disruptive, only replication of energy out > energy in will be disruptive.
          The replication of element transmutation in the fuel will be disruptive.
          The report in and of itself, is worth less than 2 dead flies without the above replication.

          Bob is on the right track, he understands this completely.

      • sam

        Hello Bob
        This truck driver will settle for
        EVR report A Big F9 POSITIVE.
        Or if so F9 negative.
        I like A.R. Simple style.
        But for all you Scientific type I will
        hope for a full report.
        Sam

        • Bob Greenyer

          The simpler the better

  • Veblin

    These update numbers do not match.

    I seem to remember an original thread that was quickly updated with what Peter Gluck wrote, but it was only updated in the title. We are at title update 3 and thread update 2.5.

    • Frank Acland

      Thanks Veblin — you are right. This is actually the second update since the original post.

  • Mats002

    Mats Lewan sent this message to the pre-registered for his NEWS seminarium a few hours ago:

    “- About 220 individuals have pre-registered, among them several who asked if it could be extended into a two-day event. Therefore, plans are now being made for a two-day event on June 21-22, with additional speakers and more opportunities to network with other attendeees. However, there will still be an option to attend the first day only.”

    He still expect the ERV report at the latest by mid april.

  • Mats002

    Mats Lewan sent this message to the pre-registered for his NEWS seminarium a few hours ago:

    “- About 220 individuals have pre-registered, among them several who asked if it could be extended into a two-day event. Therefore, plans are now being made for a two-day event on June 21-22, with additional speakers and more opportunities to network with other attendeees. However, there will still be an option to attend the first day only.”

    He still expect the ERV report at the latest by mid april.

  • passerby

    Am I the only one glad they are taking their time? Think about it, this report should not be hastily prepared. It is too important for that.

    If the rumored COP is verified by the ERV that would make it one of the most disruptive technologies in the history of the human race. It would be endlessly discussed and picked apart for years to come, quoted by news, discussed by professionals and written about in books.

    So I say let them double check or even triple check their work. Let them put a whole team on scrutinizing the thousands of hours of footage, making charts and graphs, testing the fuel, and analyzing the vast amount of instrument data. Whatever they need to do to be as sure as possible about the results, let them do it. We want this report to be as thorough as possible, don’t we?

    • Mats002

      We want, but consider that they had a whole year to compile, prepare and double/triple check their measurements. Ash analysis must be waited for though.

    • Gerard McEk

      I am sure the COP was known in high detail immediately after the test. Other important data like stability, inventarisation of all kinds of abnormal behaviour and interruptions, may require more time. Detailed analysis of the fuel ash may take a lot of time.
      The most important for many of us is the COP and the official conformation of that, because that gives the clearest indication that something extraordinary has taken place. A high COP >10 makes it very prommissing for common usage as a new energy source.
      The change of isotopes and elements in the ash gives clear indication that a nuclear process has taken place. That is also required to support a >1 COP. That should convince the scientists.
      Things that make massive introduction of LENR less interesting and that can delay it:
      – Radioactive elements in the ash
      – Unstable and not understood control behaviour
      – Radiation (alpha, beta, gamma)

      I agree that all of this must be carefully analysed and gathered indeed.
      In advance of the detailed report, a signed preliminary report giving some indication of at least the used and delivered energy, the COP, the measured radiation and of its usability (if low, indicate why) would be very much welcomed, especially if the detailed report will not be accessible or will take a while before it is issued.

    • Brent Buckner

      Investment by IH (and WPCT in IH) tells us that there’s been professional due diligence, and statements by Fulvio Fabiani directly contradict the scenario you hope is wrong.

    • pg

      the ERV had committed to deliver the report within two months, which would be mid-April since the test was concluded on February 17.

      COUNT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!

      • Pekka Janhunen

        Also, Rossi said that he “sees what he can do with the agreement of all the involved parties” in terms of putting something out by March 23, the day after tomorrow.

        If nothing is published it implies ERV or IH wasn’t ready at this point.

  • passerby

    Am I the only one glad they are taking their time? Think about it, this report should not be hastily prepared. It is too important for that.

    If the rumored COP is verified by the ERV that would make it one of the most disruptive technologies in the history of the human race. It would be endlessly discussed and picked apart for years to come, quoted by news, discussed by professionals and written about in books.

    So I say let them double check or even triple check their work. Let them put a whole team on scrutinizing the thousands of hours of footage, making charts and graphs, testing the fuel, and analyzing the vast amount of instrument data. Whatever they need to do to be as sure as possible about the results, let them do it. We want this report to be as thorough as possible, don’t we?

    • Mats002

      We want, but consider that they had a whole year to compile, prepare and double/triple check their measurements. Ash analysis must be waited for though.

    • Gerard McEk

      I am sure the COP was known in high detail immediately after the test. Other important data like stability, inventarisation of all kinds of abnormal behaviour and interruptions, may require more time. Detailed analysis of the fuel ash may take a lot of time.
      The most important for many of us is the COP and the official conformation of that, because that gives the clearest indication that something extraordinary has taken place. A high COP >10 makes it very prommissing for common usage as a new energy source.
      The change of isotopes and elements in the ash gives clear indication that a nuclear process has taken place. That is also required to support a >1 COP. That should convince the scientists.
      Things that make massive introduction of LENR less interesting and that can delay it:
      – Radioactive elements in the ash
      – Unstable and not understood control behaviour
      – Radiation (alpha, beta, gamma)

      I agree that all of this must be carefully analysed and gathered indeed.
      In advance of the detailed report, a signed preliminary report giving some indication of at least the used and delivered energy, the COP, the measured radiation and of its usability (if low, indicate why) would be very much welcomed, especially if the detailed report will not be accessible or will take a while before it is issued.

  • Skeptic

    I hope , Im wrong. But perhaps there is no E-Cat 1 mw plant, no “secret customer”

    Just lone, troubled man emailing from his apartment.

    • Brent Buckner

      Investment by IH (and WPCT in IH) tells us that there’s been professional due diligence, and statements by Fulvio Fabiani directly contradict the scenario you hope is wrong.

  • Bob Greenyer

    It took about 2 months for the MFMP to get their ash analysed and this was mainly due to labs in the US having extremely high workload. The actual tests do not take that long – however, you have to wait for the testers to be available.

    When they do get their results back, hopefully from multiple parties like in Lugano report – they will need to cross correlate them and draw inference from the data.

    Since the suggestion is that this is energy of a non-chemical nature, this work is of paramount importance to any report and must be allowed to take its course. From a technical, COP and running costs point of view – the report is of course more straightforward.

    In the UK when anything challenging happens – there are calls for a “Public inquiry” the actual inquiry part can be achieved in a few months to a year – but sometimes the HIGHLY PAID report writers like to spend years even a decade plus choosing the right words and grammatical structure for every sentence – I am not suggesting that it will be that drawn out in this case, but given the “mumbojumbo tango” nonsense of the recent IH “press release”/positioning document, there could be a bit of that kind of REALLY EXPENSIVE say-nothing copy-writing being crafted.

    • Gerard McEk

      Maybe an undeniable replication can speed things up. How is SKINR doing? And others, expecting results soon?

      • Bob Greenyer

        SKINNR effectively did a ‘dry run’ the past two weeks, their TC failed – besides – they did not oxidise, had a different nickel and had NO radiation monitoring.

        Next week, they will have our AH50 Hunter Nickel as used in GS 5.2 and they can start a more faithful attempt – but I think they are wanting to see signs of excess heat before pulling instruments of other experiments.

        On the plus side, this gives other replicators a window to do a replication fast and I know that me356 is well advanced – but waiting for some equipment, principally a scintillator to arrive.

  • Bob Greenyer

    It took about 2 months for the MFMP to get their ash analysed and this was mainly due to labs in the US having extremely high workload. The actual tests do not take that long – however, you have to wait for the testers to be available.

    When they do get their results back, hopefully from multiple parties like in Lugano report – they will need to cross correlate them and draw inference from the data.

    Since the suggestion is that this is energy of a non-chemical nature, this work is of paramount importance to any report and must be allowed to take its course. From a technical, COP and running costs point of view – the report is of course more straightforward.

    In the UK when anything challenging happens – there are calls for a “Public inquiry” the actual inquiry part can be achieved in a few months to a year – but sometimes the HIGHLY PAID report writers like to spend years even a decade plus choosing the right words and grammatical structure for every sentence – I am not suggesting that it will be that drawn out in this case, but given the “mumbojumbo tango” nonsense of the recent IH “press release”/positioning document, there could be a bit of that kind of REALLY EXPENSIVE say-nothing copy-writing being crafted.

    • Gerard McEk

      Maybe an undeniable replication can speed things up. How is SKINR doing? And others, expecting results soon?

      • Bob Greenyer

        SKINNR effectively did a ‘dry run’ the past two weeks, their TC failed – besides – they did not oxidise, had a different nickel and had NO radiation monitoring.

        Next week, they will have our AH50 Hunter Nickel as used in GS 5.2 and they can start a more faithful attempt – but I think they are wanting to see signs of excess heat before pulling instruments of other experiments.

        On the plus side, this gives other replicators a window to do a replication fast and I know that me356 is well advanced – but waiting for some equipment, principally a scintillator to arrive.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Here is an overview of what a “what people want to hear” report might be composed of.

    On COP: 6+ / higher / Potential for closed loop
    On ASH: Valuable / Safe / Unsafe but better than traditional nuclear / Unsafe
    PARTS & LABOUR per kW/h compared to other generation means: Better / comparable / worse
    CO2 compared to other generation means: Lower / same / higher
    DECOMMISSIONING costs: Favourable / unfavourable

    So a sample report might read

    COP: Potential for closed loop
    ASH: Safe for handling
    PARTS & LABOUR: Better per kW/h than competing technology
    CO2: Lower
    DECOMMISSIONING: Favourable

    • Omega Z

      ->PARTS & LABOUR: Better per kW/h than competing technology

      It’s not necessary to be PARTS & LABOUR: Better per kW/h as long as it’s competitive. With Fossil energy, you have additional costs for a centralized grid structure along with rail transport and pipelines. And because of their large scale you need large water supplies. Even wind and solar require a large grid structure due to the intermittency.

      LENR in worst case is still well suited for a localized micro grid avoiding all those additional costs. And the only fuel transport for LENR is an annual UPS delivery truck.

      • Mats002

        UPS delivery quadrocopter 😉

        Deliver to any place.

    • Mike Henderson

      I don’t expect to see a positive report before February, 2017. Seriously.

      What are the political, economic, and societal impacts of that report? Let’s do a thought experiment on Bob’s sample report, and let’s also suppose that the author’s credibility and methods are substantial.

      The report is truly disruptive. Modern physics is wrong. Science is fallible. Coal is worthless. Nuclear power is done. Most refineries are soon to be shuttered. OPEC’s power is gone. Financial holdings in energy, utilities, and modes of distribution are dandelions – poof. Be prepared for “The Big Short” on steroids. Millions of jobs will be eliminated. Energy tax and tariff revenues will evaporate. Desalination will be cheap. Carbon recapture and sequestering will be feasible. Electric everything.

      The threat to the sacred cows of the status quo would be huge. You think we have problems with energy interests now? Just wait, you ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.

      It is an election year and the U.S. political system is in the throes of revealing the flaws of this form of democracy. Throwing Bob’s sample report onto this bonfire would be explosive.

      Nope. Not gonna happen. If the test was 100% favorable and credible, there won’t be a reveal.

      • Bob Greenyer

        You make a strong argument Mike. Moreover, the Bankster class will want to move their liabilities onto the taxpayer if they can… a bit like the new fission reactor in UK having the price of electricity with profit all guaranteed by the UK taxpayer for many decades.

        • Skip

          Same with the totally unnecessary Site C dam in BC Canada. Major environmental damage is in process for a Huge financial outlay promoted and supported by a manipulated Provincial Premier, for short term construction employment. I guess its important to appear to do something, even when pointless and resulting in the continued and increased servitude of the taxpayers. I could quote the cost estimates, but they are an obvious lie…
          Oh, and don’t get me started on LNG (oops, too late)
          http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2016/03/16/Whoopers-BC-LNG/

      • roseland67

        Mike,

        The “report” will not be disruptive, only replication of energy out > energy in will be disruptive.
        The replication of element transmutation in the fuel will be disruptive.
        The report in and of itself, is worth less than 2 dead flies without the above replication.

        Bob is on the right track, he understands this completely.

    • HHiram

      Has anyone asked Rossi if the ERV is actually doing an ash analysis? They might not be, if their focus is just on energy input/output.

    • sam

      Hello Bob
      This truck driver will settle for
      EVR report A Big F9 POSITIVE.
      Or if so F9 negative.
      I like A.R. Simple style.
      But for all you Scientific type I will
      hope for a full report.
      Sam

      • Bob Greenyer

        The simpler the better

        • bachcole

          I would accept a trusted source like Frank Acland, Bob Greenyer, and many others just telling me that the report was positive and the COP was blah, blah, and the money saved was, blah, blah, etc. etc., a few details.

  • Rod

    With the lack of any real positive news, I’ll throw this out there. There’s a real life Star Wars playing out here in the quest for LENR. The dark side and the light side of the Force are real in this drama! It’s a simple analogy.

    Many of us have always assumed that IH (and Darden) was soundly aligned to the light side (Rossi and friends). What if IH has always existed from the beginning to control, disrupt, obstruct, and even quelch any progress for LENR? With the money, industries, and countries that would be affected when LENR is a reality with actual products, would it be too much of a stretch to assume that the dark side doesn’t have agents and moles firmly planted on the light side? If the dark side controls IH, could they also control Hydro Fusion too? Maybe Jedi Rossi is in way over his head on this one.

    IH and Darden control the ERV and any details from it. They also control any distribution of the E-Cat in the biggest markets. I think we all would like for IH to release details from the ERV, even if preliminary, just to give us believers hope that IH is indeed aligned to the light side, and that the light side will eventually triumph over the dark side.

    This may all be fantasy, but like Cold Fusion, who says this is impossible?

    • LarryJ

      IH is the licensee of Leonardo. It is true that IH could possibly slow distribution of the ecats in their territory but Europe is a pretty big territory too and how would things go for the States if Europe moved ahead with Leonardo while IH sat still. The pressure brought to bear on IH would be absolutely enormous. It seems a very unlikely scenario.

      • Brent Buckner

        Agreed. Especially unlikely as the investment by IH (and by WPCT in IH) has increased Rossi’s credibility with those who might back Leonardo’s commercialization efforts in Europe. Further, I expect that with the end of the 1MW test that Leonardo is in line for a payday that would give Leonardo/Rossi resources to further drive that commercialization.

    • Mats002

      I’d say it is possible until we have some solid verification which we still seek for.

    • wpj

      They really have to be careful and think it all through before just issuing a report; the whole of the US economy is based on the oil dollar (we all saw what happened to Iraq when they decided to start selling oil in Euros instead of dollars- forget MWDs, it was plain economics and self preservation before the rot spread).

      Clearly this will not have an immediate impact until it can be applied to automotive transport, but the markets can have extreme knee jerk reactions to this sort of thing.

      I’m certainly being flippant, but there are a lot of implications if the report is positive so care is needed which is why, I assume, they have employed the PR company to think it through.

      • Rod

        IH has well over a year to prepare for the release of the ERV. Early on, they must have had indications of what the results would be. Why the delay to release results now?

        • Brent Buckner

          Bob Greenyer has pointed out that ash analysis would be essential to determining whether or not the 1MW plant produced undesirable elements/isotopes. Perhaps IH waited for that before deciding to expend significant money on production facilities, and so in turn waited to raise capital for that use. Until IH at least has its production facilities ready to roll it may regard releasing the ERV as a demand on its time and attention that it does not want.

          • Rod

            Perhaps you are correct, and what you say seems reasonable, but it could still be ‘control, disrupt, and obstruct’ as well. Until we get some facts other than an ambiguously worded statement, there is gonna be rampant, and even wild speculation.

  • Mats002

    I’d say it is possible until we have some solid verification which we still seek for.

  • jimbo92107

    “March 10, 2016 – By Steven B. Krivit –

    Industrial Heat has apparently terminated its relationship with businessman Andrea Rossi.”

    http://news.newenergytimes.net/2016/03/10/industrial-heats-e-cat-exit/

    Can anybody here refute this story?

    • artefact

      I think he just interprets the IH press release his way.

      • Bob Greenyer

        I think if IH said that they were about to play a role in an energy revolution based on AR technology – SK would still say that they were having a divorce.

    • Omega Z
    • Frank Acland

      Andrea Rossi has, multiple times in the last few days. He says IH is the exclusive licensee for E-Cat products in the USA, and other territories.

      • jimbo92107

        I’m looking at a single point of communication failure. If all our information on E-Cat tech is funneled through one man, then what do we really know?

        “Rossi says” is wearing thin.

        • Frank Acland

          Well this has been the case for years now. However it turns out that many of Rossi’s statements on the JONP turn out later to be verified.

          • jimbo92107—I would suggest that you read my book An Impossible Invention, and then make your assessment after that.

        • Roland

          Put a few hundred k into a massive espionage effort…

        • clovis ray

          How droll , even when it comes right from the master inventor himself.
          OH’ i believe Krivit, he is so trust worthy, honest, and has such a brilliant scientifical mind on him, yea right,
          Anyone that believes this, i’v got some ocean front property in Oklahoma to sale you. lol. ha. ha, ha,.

          • jimbo92107

            Must I pull out the Sagan? Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. What we have from Rossi so far is grievously lacking in specifics or corroboration. The other saying is of course, if something sounds too good to be true, it probably isn’t true.

            Meanwhile some guy named Krivit, whom I do not know, writes an article that clearly paints Rossi as a cheap techno con artist, and gives specific examples. Do you remember Rossi’s tire recycling idea? A complete flop. Did investors lose money? I believe so.

            At any rate, April supposedly will provide the real tell. If Rossi again announces a delay or appears with nothing concrete in hand (like a Quark X pumping out 20KW) to show the world, then we will understand the game a lot better.

            I really do hope Rossi’s claims are real, but the way he is approaching this matter does not make me confident at all. It makes me suspicious. It feels like he is stringing us along like a bunch of prize fools.

          • Brent Buckner

            You wrote: “At any rate, April supposedly will provide the real tell. If Rossi again announces a delay”

            I think June better aligns with your thinking: that is when Rossi has said he’ll be doing something. April is when something (release of ERV report) over which we understand Rossi does not have independent legal authority may or may not happen.

          • bachcole

            “Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.” That is a social statement, NOT a scientific statement. Socially, extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence if people are going to believe it. Scientifically, ordinary evidence works just fine for extraordinary claims.

          • jimbo92107

            Good point. All I ask of Andrea Rossi is ordinary, irrefutable evidence, not his theory or his recipe. Bring to an open public forum a Quark X matchstick attached to an ordinary 100 Watt incandescent light bulb, running non-stop for several hours. All circuitry visible inside a clear plastic box, nothing under the table, etc. No chemical power source can do that in a matchstick form factor.

            Would you agree?

          • jimbo92107

            No problem. If he needs a few more circuit elements to light his New Fire, go right ahead. It still needs to run, and keep running, and keep pumping out 100 Watts of DC. No battery in a small, clear package can do that. Thing is, it needs to be a free-standing unit, so people can pick it up, look for an induction coil on the bottom, etc. And Rossi should have no objection to somebody replacing his table with a card table. Only serves to make the demo more credible, right?

          • Omega Z

            ->replacing his table with a card table. Only serves to make the demo more credible, right?

            You’re a newbie here right?
            Accusations in the past. Heating with a secret laser from a distance, RF/Microwave energy transfer and even a hidden battery which by size and capacity would itself be worth Billion$. The only proof that will suffice is a working product in the market.

          • jimbo92107

            I may be a newbie here, but do you really think a roomful of engineers can’t tell the difference between a real demo and a clever fake? That’s why a real demonstration is done in an open, honest, public place. Hands on, nothing hidden.

            A continuous trickle of teasing emails from Rossi is hardly convincing evidence of a revolutionary power source. It’s more like stringing along a pathetic group of pseudo-scientific true believers.

            Are you a newbie to con artists? I’m not. I’ve actually known one, a guy that invented stories about himself as easily as you and I breathe air. It was remarkable how he talked his way into jobs for which he had zero qualifications. He wasn’t a bad guy, either, just completely full of very polite, pleasant baloney. Eventually he was caught and sent to prison, where he was murdered by guards for exposing a drug ring.

            Andrea Rossi has at most a few more months to prove his inventions are irrefutably real. If so, fantastic, the world is saved. If not, then Rossi’s world will inevitably shrink to a small cell with iron bars. I sincerely hope it is the former, but at this point I must acknowledge that it all sounds too good to be true.

          • bachcole

            Paragraph one: you are used to academic/scientific demos.

            Paragraph two: No one said that Rossi’s trickle convinces anyone. They have meaning because we are already convinced. You may not be because you haven’t looked at the evidence that I just presented to you.

          • Frank Acland

            Thanks — point taken, jimbo.

            One of the goals for this site is that it does not become a debating venue about whether Rossi/E-Cat/Cold Fusion is real or fake. Please check the commenting guidelines http://www.e-catworld.com/posting-rules/

          • Gerard McEk

            I am affright that there will be no news tomorrow:

            Peter Gluck
            March 22, 2016 at 2:13 PM
            Dear Andrea,

            It seems the ERV is perhaps used to play festina lente when it is about a huge responsibility.
            However, the world’s greatest specialist in the Rossi Effect knows everything about the results and has also the bills of the accountant.
            In his opinion the results are good or bad? Is he contented with the COP values
            and other general, basic data?
            He can give the most reliable answer.
            Has he – being given the anniversary of tomorrow a personal message to the spirit of Fleischmann and to Pons?
            A bit of certainty could make many good people happy.
            I prefer a non- public answer if it creates the slightest problem to you.

            Wish you all the best and more,,
            Peter

            Andrea Rossi
            March 22, 2016 at 3:26 PM
            Peter Gluck:
            He,he,he…yes, as a matter of fact I have some familiarity with the E-Cat…
            You are too intelligent not to understand why in my position I cannot absolutely know and talk about the results of the tests before the ERV has delivered them.
            Besides, as expert of the matter as I might be, my personal considerations or results, obtained with my instrumentation, are worth like a joker in a poker contest.
            I am very sorry , but, until the results of the report are delivered, it would be extremely uncorrect for me to make any kind of comment.
            This having been said, I am delighted to remind to our Readers that tomorrow, 23rd of March, is the anniversary of the announcement made by Prof. Fleishmann and Prof. Pons of their experiment. Should they not have made that announcement, probably I would not have worked on the research oriented toward the LENR, and I think this is true for all of us.
            Warm Regards,
            A.R.

          • LuFong

            With all due respect to Peter Gluck, who as a true LENR thought leader deserves to know the results as soon as anyone, Rossi has already answered these questions over the past year. It shouldn’t be too hard to connect the dots. All that remains are the details. Patience is the watch word here.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Yeah, asking Rossi for the hint was a bit like asking the white elephant in the room if it has heard of any animals hanging around.

          • John Littlemist

            Pekka, sorry about the off-topic, and pardon my curiosity, but by any chance are you a relative of Timo Janhunen, the inventor of the Z-Engine?
            http://www.aumet.fi/index.php

          • Pekka Janhunen

            No, I’m not.

          • jimbo92107

            Thank you, Frank. Your site, your rules. I do attend other fan sites, for baseball and such. People have honest disagreements and spirited discussions about this player and that, but nobody has reason to doubt the existence of baseball.

            This site is different. Clearly there are varying degrees of skepticism in play, but there is also an element of conspiracy psychology, as if people are unwilling to tolerate reasonably skeptical observations.

            For instance, I could make a “glow stick” with a simple ceramic heating element. I could make Brillouin’s remote demonstration by igniting little puffs of magnesium powder. What prevents people from ascertaining the truth is that they are not allowed in the same room with the demonstration.

            Playing the patent pending card is getting old. Somebody keeps telling me they can throw an un-hittable pitch, eventually I’ll want to see it. Time’s running out for Rossi’s amazing claims. I really do hope he’s got what he says, but there’s really only one way to know. Show us.

          • Frank Acland

            I think we’re all pretty much in the same boat, Jimbo — waiting on further revelations.

          • US_Citizen71

            “Time’s running out for Rossi’s amazing claims.” Why is the end of the universe
            nigh? I think he deserves at least a large fraction of the time that hot fusionists have been given. At this point he barely is reaching one tenth the time they have been given and less than 1/10,000th the funding. The hot fusionists still want more time than he has already used. A square foot of silicon based photovoltaic cells being lit by a flashlight comes closer to unity than any hot fusion experiment to date when you factor in the energy needed to support things like magnetic containment fields and x-ray lasers.

          • bachcole

            “Time’s running out for Rossi’s amazing claims.” That really is quite silly. What is really going to happen is that jimbo92107 is going to castigate Rossi as a crook, and then he will look really stupid.

            Are these people all going to change their handle when the truth becomes obvious, or will any of them have the integrity and courage to say, “I was wrong.”

          • Wishful Thinking Energy

            For the generally reserved Rossi to say he is “very pleased” I think says a great deal about the results. He genuinely sounds like he wants to release the results soon too. Great news. Time to book your tickets to Stockholm.

          • bachcole

            jimbo92107, ALL of us here are skeptics, every last one of us. But at some point the evidence has forced us to believe. If you have not reviewed the evidence and expect us to spoon-feed it to you, that is entirely unfair. We put in the time, I gave you good links, you need to do your due diligence.

          • jimbo92107

            Peter Hagelstein was the original reason I came here, and it wasn’t so much his years of work developing a new Hamiltonian expression to justify the possibility of LENR reactions, it was because he broke down and wept openly that so many unheralded researchers, his friends and comrades, had passed away before the technology could finally be acknowledged by the established scientific community as a legitimate natural phenomenon.

            In the end, it wasn’t watching the MIT colloquium videos or trying to understand Hagelstein’s math that convinced me there could be something real going on with LENR, it was my inability to believe that a man of such apparent high intellect, selfless decency and dedication could spend so much of his career chasing something that just wasn’t real.

            But do you see the problem here? I’m not sufficiently educated in physics or math to actually understand what I was seeing. Instead, I made a decision based on emotion, not on irrefutable evidence. I cried when I saw Old Yeller die. That is not a substitute for understanding what’s going on.

            I’m going to back off for a while and just be a lurker. I don’t want to upset people anymore. Either Rossi has something, or he doesn’t I hope he does, but I just don’t know. Meanwhile, I will tell my acquaintance that his friend should go ahead and put solar panels on his roof. LENR’s going to be a while before it saves the world, if at all.

          • bachcole

            jimbo, I have a B.A. in psychology and a B.A. in philosophy and an A.S. in electronics technology. I do not need a PhD in physics to understand the links that I gave you. While you are backing off, read those freaking links or suffer my displeasure!!!!

          • Omega Z

            Actually, Rossi has done demo’s in the past that were convincing or he wouldn’t have the support of highly esteemed experts in chemistry, engineering and physicists among his Licensees nor would he be working with Industrial heat who had their own people build & test an E-cat. Obviously as a newbie, you just aren’t aware. Ultimately, only a product on the market will convince the majority of people.

          • Veblin

            jimbo92107. It saddens me to see someone so new here becoming skeptical so quickly. A little over a month ago you started posting here slowly and somewhat positively. Now you seem to be much more skeptical. What can be done to help you make up your mind.

            I think I know something that may help. Where you live in San Diego, California, zip code 92107 there is this cranky old man. you should find.
            His name is.
            DR. GEORGE LAWRENCE HODY M.D.
            92109, 92122, 92130, 92169

            He lives very close to you as you can see by his zip codes adjacent to yours. His ideas on this subject may be very much like your own. I would be surprised if you do not already know the famous Dr. Hody, but if not then maybe the next time you turn around, he may be there. Ask about sailing to break the ice.

            Sandy Ego.

          • … plus 10 ‘virtual’ up-votes for that – very amusing! 🙂

          • jimbo92107

            Thanks for your advice, Veblin. What makes me skeptical of LENR is the same thing that makes me skeptical of Bugs Bunny. I just love Bugs Bunny, and I wish he really existed, but the fact is, I’ve never actually met him.

            So far, all of Andrea Rossi’s LENR inventions live in the same house as Bugs Bunny. The idea sounds great, but we have yet to see any of it in real life.

            Cheer up, we have another promise of something like results in April. Then a group of supposedly neutral observers supposedly will tell is whether or not Rossi’s 1MW ecat did what he claimed, although we still will not have seen the actual device actually working.

            Meanwhile, I’m sure Dr. Hody exists, but I have no reason to meet him. Instead, I will go downstairs and take photos of my motorcycle, which is real, and put it up for sale on craigslist, where people sell real, tangible things. I look forward to the day that Andrea Rossi gives us pictures and shows the world that his inventions are real. So far, he has not.

            Pleasant day to you sir.

          • Omega Z

            Just to inform you, Bugs Bunny no longer exists.
            All I can say is emm emm good.

          • Bruce__H

            I’ve never seen this reply to the “extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence” meme. I think you are probably right, though, about the nature of science. We always look for good evidence for any claim and that actually makes it quite an ordinary procedure.

            This is why it puzzles me so much that you seem to think that the merest whiff of skepticism regarding homeopathy is completely beyond the pale. Why should anyone be labelled a “skeptopath” just because they would like to see experimental evidence for homeopathy? Why the defensive attitude to ordinary scientific curiosity and procedures?

          • psi2u2

            If it feels that way to you, fine. It doesn’t feel that way to many here, and many of them have been reading and discussing this matter for several years now. During that time Rossi has made steady progress in

            1) Attracting large amounts of informed capital for further research;
            2) spurring confirmation efforts by MFMP among others;
            3) Obtaining patents;
            4) Concluding a one year industrial level test of a 1MW reactor.

            This was *after* having convinced, in 2011, several top ranking Swedish physicists, among others, that his technology was doing what it said it was.

            Have you bothered to read what Bob Greenyer of MFMP has been saying about that group’s confirmation of several of Rossi’s key scientific points. This is a group that has been working for months to replicate Rossi, and only within the past few weeks have substantially validated his work.

            Although no official results from the one year test have yet been announced, advance leaks have been unanimous in suggesting that the test was a smashing success.

            If this turns out not to be the case, then we will have to re-evaluate his success. But right now, your comments strike me as sorting of like Noah’s wife saying “I don’t feel any rain yet.” Why not wait a couple of weeks and see what happens?

            As Bachole says below, many of Rossi’s “extraordinary claims” have in fact been verified. Over the last nine years, moreover, ever since 60 Minutes did a stellar program on “cold fusion,” the basis for doubting the existence of the phenomenon has been thoroughly destroyed by credible research and witnesses. The only remaining question is whether Rossi has successfully produced a commercially viable prototype based on a new science that nearly everyone who has examined the evidence admits does exist.

          • jimbo92107

            Good. I hope it’s real, and Rossi is within a month or so of proving it. Let’s hope he’s got something tangible to show us. Vaporware gets boring.

          • artefact

            On JONP:

            “Carlie Gowins March 22, 2016 at 4:25 PM
            Dear Dr Andrea Rossi,
            If the E-Cat quarkX will result to be good and ready for the market at
            the end of the preliminar R&D will you make a proper presentation of it ?
            Something that will be attended by anybody interested, also live online, in all the world ?
            F8,F9, obviously,
            Carlie

            AR: I think so. F8, F9.”

        • bachcole

          I agree, sort of. But notice that we all believe in the expanding universe, dark energy, dark matter, and other wonders and miracles with about the same degree of certainty. Well, actually, I don’t because I am aware of how much confirmation there is with those ideas.

          • jimbo92107

            I don’t “believe” in any of that stuff. It’s what scientists say, they have a reputation for being methodical in their approach, and I have no research of my own to counter their view. They win by default, and even they are not 100 percent certain.

            In contrast, Rossi’s claims can be confirmed with relative ease. What astrophysicist would not dream of such simplicity for proving a theory! A simple 100 Watt incandescent light bulb attached to Rossi’s Quark matchstick is all he needs to convert his bold claims into tangible reality.

            Rossi has announced this development himself. It costs him nothing to show me, or lose my interest rather quickly.

          • Perhaps you could explain why you think Rossi would be in any tiny way be affected by your loss of interest?

          • jimbo92107

            Irrelevant what Rossi thinks of me. Relevant is that the world so far has zero reason to think Rossi’s inventions are real.

            Seen the Big Report yet? Me neither. Somehow, it got delayed. Interesting how that seems to keep happening with Rossi…

          • jimbo92107

            Unless you have some new mind reading technology you’d like to show us, I don’t know how you know what Rossi is thinking.

            Making excuses for Rossi is not persuasive. Projecting your own interpretations on his refusal to bring forward an irrefutable demonstration of his technology is not a sign of patience, politeness, or wisdom. Rather, it is a sign of true believer thinking.

            Do you know why I said Rossi should show up with a 100 Watt light bulb? Because Thomas Edison would have done that. Edison understood the vital nature of public demonstrations. They separate real inventions from bogus hokum. From Edison’s light bulbs to the Wright brothers aircraft, it takes real life demonstrations to convince the world that your stuff is real. No amount of papers, black board scribbles or 3rd party testimonials will substitute for that light bulb on a table, burning brightly with nothing but a Quark stick and a few little things in a clear box, that anybody can pick up and pass around.

            First, they set a certain date, and everybody gets excited. Then, the date passes, and nothing happens. Disappointment! Then come excuses, and another date, not too far off. This time, we’re sure it’ll happen!

            What am I talking about? End Times religions.

          • bachcole

            Your 1st paragraph makes no sense whatsoever to me, so that is as far as I read of your comment. All of the evidence that I consider to be of value has absolutely nothing to do with what Rossi says or thinks.

            Check out this evidence, then think about it, then get back to us.

            First, proof for LENR:

            Pamela Mosier-Boss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLuTRReSIrg

            Mike McKubre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtweR_qGHEc

            Next, proof for LENR+ a la the E-Cat:

            http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913

            http://www.scribd.com/doc/242284200/Observation-of-abundant-heat-production-from-a-reactor-device-and-of-isotopic-changes-in-the-fuel

            If you have already looked at this evidence and believed it, then you just don’t have faith in your own self. If you have already looked at this evidence and did not believe it, then I can’t help you, now. Perhaps later.

    • Teemu Soilamo

      Why do people even bother reporting Krivit’s “news stories”? He is a baboon with a megaphone and a totally biased agenda, an all-around poor excuse for a man.

      Has he ever been shown to be right about anything?

  • jimbo92107

    “March 10, 2016 – By Steven B. Krivit –

    Industrial Heat has apparently terminated its relationship with businessman Andrea Rossi.”

    http://news.newenergytimes.net/2016/03/10/industrial-heats-e-cat-exit/

    Can anybody here refute this story?

    • artefact

      I think he just interprets the IH press release his way.

      • Bob Greenyer

        I think if IH said that they were about to play a role in an energy revolution based on AR technology – SK would still say that they were having a divorce.

      • bachcole

        Your comment is being too charitable for me. Krivit has a vendetta against Rossi. “his way” is the Sicilian way.

    • Omega Z
    • Frank Acland

      Andrea Rossi has, multiple times in the last few days. He says IH is the exclusive licensee for E-Cat products in the USA, and other territories.

      • dms

        I think it is extremely unlikely that Industrial Heat has terminated anything with Rossi given the Woodford Fund investment and their large investment. It is possible the two disagree on occasion and their are conflicts internally. There is a lot of money at play here. I still feel we won’t see a report this year from Industrial Heat. I guess we might get one that is quite redacted, I could see an argument for that, but I would be a little surprised. I think it is more likely 2016 will conclude with not much more known than when it began. That has been the historical pattern. This will end with products on the market. I am not sure how fast it will reach the public eye. That will be interesting to watch.
        I still think the work Bob and the other replicators are doing is where the action will be in 2016 and I wish them luck and I will continue to try to fund them when I can.

        • My feeling is that although IH may not be in a hurry to make any announcements, that too much is going on in the background for the information flow to flatline for the rest of the year. I’m reasonably sure that there won’t be anything that the MSM can’t ignore though.

      • jimbo92107

        I’m looking at a single point of communication failure. If all our information on E-Cat tech is funneled through one man, then what do we really know?

        “Rossi says” is wearing thin.

        • Frank Acland

          Well this has been the case for years now. However it turns out that many of Rossi’s statements on the JONP turn out later to be verified.

          • jimbo92107—I would suggest that you read my book An Impossible Invention, and then make your assessment after that.

          • bachcole

            I agree. And many people’s behavior, including Woodford Inc, Darden, Fulvio Fabiani, etc. confirm the 1MW test. But don’t see any confirmation for the E-Cat X and the Quarks. Perhaps I am mistaken; please show me if I am.

        • Roland

          Put a few hundred k into a massive espionage effort…

        • clovis ray

          How droll , even when it comes right from the master inventor himself.
          OH’ i believe Krivit, he is so trust worthy, honest, and has such a brilliant scientifical mind on him, yea right,
          Anyone that believes this, i’v got some ocean front property in Oklahoma to sale you. lol. ha. ha, ha,.

          • jimbo92107

            Must I pull out the Sagan? Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. What we have from Rossi so far is grievously lacking in specifics or corroboration. The other saying is of course, if something sounds too good to be true, it probably isn’t true.

            Meanwhile some guy named Krivit, whom I do not know, writes an article that clearly paints Rossi as a cheap techno con artist, and gives specific examples. Do you remember Rossi’s tire recycling idea? A complete flop. Did investors lose money? I believe so.

            At any rate, April supposedly will provide the real tell. If Rossi again announces a delay or appears with nothing concrete in hand (like a Quark X pumping out 20KW) to show the world, then we will understand the game a lot better.

            I really do hope Rossi’s claims are real, but the way he is approaching this matter does not make me confident at all. It makes me suspicious. It feels like he is stringing us along like a bunch of prize fools.

          • Brent Buckner

            You wrote: “At any rate, April supposedly will provide the real tell. If Rossi again announces a delay”

            I think June better aligns with your thinking: that is when Rossi has said he’ll be doing something. April is when something (release of ERV report) over which we understand Rossi does not have independent legal authority may or may not happen.

          • bachcole

            “Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.” That is a social statement, NOT a scientific statement. Socially, extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence if people are going to believe it. Scientifically, ordinary evidence works just fine for extraordinary claims.

          • jimbo92107

            Good point. All I ask of Andrea Rossi is ordinary, irrefutable evidence, not his theory or his recipe. Bring to an open public forum a Quark X matchstick attached to an ordinary 100 Watt incandescent light bulb, running non-stop for several hours. All circuitry visible inside a clear plastic box, nothing under the table, etc. No chemical power source can do that in a matchstick form factor.

            Would you agree?

          • bachcole

            This is all that all of us ask. But, fortunately, most of us are too polite to constantly nag him about something that he is not required to do and apparently doesn’t want to do, at least up until now. (:->)

            There is no law saying that he must do it. Academic confirmation is currently a low priority for him. The what is a priority for him, commercial success, demands that he not reveal hardly anything. In fact, what he has told us so far a complete gratis; he didn’t have to tell us anything. Even the 1 MW test did not have to be revealed to us; it did not serve him at all. He has been nice to us, charitable. His purposes is to WOW the market place, not thrill the peanut gallery.

            And, BTW, if he were a con artist, then WOWing the peanut gallery and taking our money would have been of prime concern for him. He has done neither.

          • jimbo92107

            Unless you have some new mind reading technology you’d like to show us, I don’t know how you know what Rossi is thinking.

            Making excuses for Rossi is not persuasive. Projecting your own interpretations on his refusal to bring forward an irrefutable demonstration of his technology is not a sign of patience, politeness, or wisdom. Rather, it is a sign of true believer thinking.

            Do you know why I said Rossi should show up with a 100 Watt light bulb? Because Thomas Edison would have done that. Edison understood the vital nature of public demonstrations. They separate real inventions from bogus hokum. From Edison’s light bulbs to the Wright brothers aircraft, it takes real life demonstrations to convince the world that your stuff is real. No amount of papers, black board scribbles or 3rd party testimonials will substitute for that light bulb on a table, burning brightly with nothing but a Quark stick and a few little things in a clear box, that anybody can pick up and pass around.

            First, they set a certain date, and everybody gets excited. Then, the date passes, and nothing happens. Disappointment! Then come excuses, and another date, not too far off. This time, we’re sure it’ll happen!

            What am I talking about? End Times religions.

          • Doing a demo is a dumb idea, period. That was soooo 2011. We are way beyond that. Want proof Rossi isn’t FOS? wait for Rossi or IH to announce business deals with well-known manufacturers/product integrators like Lockheed Martin or GE. And don’t be so impatient.

          • bachcole

            Your 1st paragraph makes no sense whatsoever to me, so that is as far as I read of your comment. All of the evidence that I consider to be of value has absolutely nothing to do with what Rossi says or thinks.

            Check out this evidence, then think about it, then get back to us.

            First, proof for LENR:

            Pamela Mosier-Boss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLuTRReSIrg

            Mike McKubre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtweR_qGHEc

            Next, proof for LENR+ a la the E-Cat:

            http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913

            http://www.scribd.com/doc/242284200/Observation-of-abundant-heat-production-from-a-reactor-device-and-of-isotopic-changes-in-the-fuel

            If you have already looked at this evidence and believed it, then you just don’t have faith in your own self. If you have already looked at this evidence and did not believe it, then I can’t help you, now. Perhaps later.

          • Bruce__H

            I’ve never seen this reply to the “extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence” meme before. I think you are probably right, though. We always look for good evidence for any claim and that actually makes it quite an ordinary procedure.

            This is why it puzzles me so much that you seem to think that the merest whiff of skepticism regarding homeopathy is completely beyond the pale. Why should anyone be labelled a “skeptopath” just because they would like to see experimental evidence for homeopathy? Why the defensive attitude to ordinary scientific curiosity and procedures?

          • psi2u2

            If it feels that way to you, fine. It doesn’t feel that way to many here, and many of them have been reading and discussing this matter for several years now. During that time Rossi has made steady progress in

            1) Attracting large amounts of informed capital for further research;
            2) spurring confirmation efforts by MFMP among others;
            3) Obtaining patents;
            4) Concluding a one year industrial level test of a 1MW reactor.

            This was *after* having convinced, in 2011, several top ranking Swedish physicists, among others, that his technology was doing what it said it was.

            Have you bothered to read what Bob Greenyer of MFMP has been saying about that group’s confirmation of several of Rossi’s key scientific points?

            This is a group that has been working for months to replicate Rossi, and only within the past few weeks have substantially validated his work.

            Although no official results from the one year test have yet been announced, advance leaks have been unanimous in suggesting that the test was a smashing success.

            If this turns out not to be the case, then we will have to re-evaluate his success. But right now, your comments strike me as sort of like Noah’s wife saying “I don’t feel any rain yet.” Why not wait a couple of weeks and see what happens?

            As Bachole says below, many of Rossi’s “extraordinary claims” have in fact been verified. Over the last nine years, moreover, ever since 60 Minutes did a stellar program on “cold fusion,” the basis for doubting the existence of the phenomenon has been thoroughly destroyed by credible research and witnesses. The only remaining question is whether Rossi has successfully produced a commercially viable prototype based on a new science that nearly everyone who has examined the evidence admits does exist.

          • jimbo92107

            Good. I hope it’s real, and Rossi is within a month or so of proving it. Let’s hope he’s got something tangible to show us. Vaporware gets boring.

        • bachcole

          I agree, sort of. But notice that we all believe in the expanding universe, dark energy, dark matter, and other wonders and miracles with about the same degree of certainty. Well, actually, I don’t because I am aware of how much confirmation there is with those ideas.

          • jimbo92107

            I don’t “believe” in any of that stuff. It’s what scientists say, they have a reputation for being methodical in their approach, and I have no research of my own to counter their view. They win by default, and even they are not 100 percent certain.

            In contrast, Rossi’s claims can be confirmed with relative ease. What astrophysicist would not dream of such simplicity for proving a theory! A simple 100 Watt incandescent light bulb attached to Rossi’s Quark matchstick is all he needs to convert his bold claims into tangible reality.

            Rossi has announced this development himself. It costs him nothing to show me, or lose my interest rather quickly.

          • bachcole

            Given all that he has accomplished, are you going to give up on him over one little quark? Just because Tesla tried to do wireless transmission of power and advocated for it for the rest of his life did not mean that he had not accomplished great things.

          • jimbo92107

            Nikola Tesla demonstrated his inventions in public all the time. Tesla loved demonstrations. I haven’t seen Rossi demonstrate any of his inventions to a public audience with free scrutiny.

            Rossi doesn’t behave like Tesla at all.

          • Perhaps you could explain why you think Rossi would be in any tiny way be affected by your loss of interest?

          • jimbo92107

            Irrelevant what Rossi thinks of me. Relevant is that the world so far has zero reason to think Rossi’s inventions are real.

            Seen the Big Report yet? Me neither. Somehow, it got delayed. Interesting how that seems to keep happening with Rossi…

    • bachcole

      I’ve been watching the headlines of that story on Google News for many days now, wondering when Krivit was going to figure out that he just stepped in some seriously sticky dog do.

      I refute it a la what Frank said just below me.

    • JiW

      Whatever is the truth of IH’s and Mr. Rossi’s endeavours, Mr. Krivit’s “news” seem to be colored by his feelings. If you must have obsessions, it’s better to have ones connected with positive mental states instead of hatred and vengeance.

      • jimbo92107

        I came here with an open mind. I would like nothing more than to see LENR validated and adopted as soon as possible. What you are now calling “hatred and vengeance” is a sign of your own obsession, not mine.

        Fact: Andrea Rossi has been accused in the past of being a con man. Given that history, you might think it in his best interest to be as open and honest about his endeavors as possible, yet here we are on an island of speculation being spoon fed teasing tidbits by the very same man whose past results have hardly inspired confidence.

        Hatred and vengeance? Hardly. I find all of this to be quite entertaining, whether it turns out to be a world-saving technology or just another self-serving technological scam, of which there have been many. Our increasing desperation to find some miraculous solution to our pollution problems makes us vulnerable to scammers looking to trick rube investors out of their money. Do you think such scammers don’t exist?

        Promises of miraculous performance, along with a complete lack of concrete, verifiable evidence. I don’t mind being a fanboy, but right now I wouldn’t throw a penny in Rossi’s direction.

        • Frank Acland

          I think JiW was not accusing you of having hatred and vengeance

          • bachcole

            We all have hatred and vengeance. Some people are just habitually throwing gasoline on those fires more than other people. It is really a good thing for one’s emotional health to NOT throw gasoline on those fires. (:->)

        • JiW

          jimbo92107, I’m sorry, I didn’t mean _you_. I meant it as a general comment about people and their obsessions, and in this case it was about the style of Mr. Krivit’s recent “news”. You, one, a person… I often make mistakes with impersonal pronouns in english.

          And I agree with you, all of this is quite an entertaining and interesting phenomena, and such scammers as you mentioned can indeed exist. My current guesstimate: Rossi has what he says: 15%, other options: 85%.

        • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

          If common law habitués had a faint glimpse of what the Italian judicial system is capable of, they would not be able to call Rossi a con man, even after an official conviction.
          The excellent Sifferkoll website might be quoted here for what is likely happening: “they play the credibility card instead to slow down Rossi in his mission”. http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/author/admin/
          Personally, I think Italy is a wonderful place for short vacation.

          • psi2u2

            Even on a short vacation it is quite possible for an American, especially one traveling alone, to fall prey to the Mediterranean tricks known as “basta fuori” — beating up the outsider with a stick. There’s a reason Rossi prefers the US. The US is certainly not perfect, but the mafia has less control here than in Italy.

        • psi2u2

          “Andrea Rossi has been accused in the past of being a con man.”

          Fact: Andrea Rossi has attracted financial backing from some of the most astute investors in the tech sector in the United States and England. Either they know more than we do, or you are accusing the likes of Tom Darden of being dupes for a “con man.” There is nothing in his history that suggests the viability of this conclusion. Do some due diligence.

          Fact: Many informed observers believe that Rossi was essentially framed by the mafia and/or became a victim of market forces beyond his control that radically depressed the price of oil, making his technically viable processes for converting garbage to oil unsustainable economically.

          If we are going to report rumors, they should be placed in some larger context.

          • to be more precise, Italian justrice after few trial concluded:
            – he did not any fraud
            – he stored his biofuel which was legally waste, and waste to be retreated, without the permit
            – he recycled gold in a way which was illegal
            – he tried to escape tax and bankruptcy after he was put out of business
            – rossi paid tax on the oil he produced, but law said it was not oil but waste.
            – his clients defended him in court

            later we found that
            – the chief of tax police (guardia di financia) who pursued him was caught later as corrupted
            – camorra at that time started to dump illegaly waste in south of itally while the green were increasing regulation and cost of waste treatments
            – the cost of cleaning of the site increased hugely
            – some unknown actors sabotaged the site, with the only apparent goal to force the authorities to pay the cleaning, at the expense of the city, the environment and rossi.

            given that one can propose the following theory :

            Camora in the 90s exploited Green laws to sell cheaper illegal service for increasingly costly waste.
            Rossi at the same time was proposing cheaper service (even if I suspect his process was polluting and he had not finished the industrialization).
            He was put out of business by a corrupted system.
            Consciously or as “idiot utile”, Media supported this, as guardia di finanza, and politicians.
            Mafia also tried to get benefit from cleaning rossi’s site at the most expensive possible cost, sabotaging the site to force payment.

            Rossi was not perfectly innocent in that I find probable that :
            – his process was still polluting,
            – he accepted wastes while not totally able to treat them perfectly
            – he tried to escape money from his locked down company

          • psi2u2

            Alain, thank you for filling in these critical details!

            It is clear to me that Rossi was the victim of a “perfect storm” involving other bad actors and declining oil markets. This time he’s the one who is, or shortly will be, driving down the price of oil. Such “revenge” must be sweet when you’ve been through the terrible things he’s been through.

        • Rene

          The best way to look at the Krivit article that two days after publishing it, he had to add two sentences to his original article that moved it from seemingly solid evidence over to conjecture and innuendo: “Apparently” and “[March 12 update: Two sentences were added to the beginning of this article.]”
          That said, I hope the ERV report comes out soonest.

      • bachcole

        I confess that I am obsessed with the causative relationship between diet and health, particularly mental health.

        • bachcole

          I recently noticed a very interesting and compelling example of the affect that diet as on mental health. I had one dog named “Dance” for a long time. She was our favorite. We got a new dog named “Tango”, with much more personality who grew much larger than Dance. Dance became more and more depressed and withdrawn because Tango was getting all of the attention and Tango semi-dominated Dance. We really tried to give Dance plenty of attention, but it didn’t help.

          During all of this time we feed both dogs Costco wet canned dog food. I decided that this foods were not optimal so I started adding one, free range, non-commercial egg to both of their bowls every time that I fed them the wet commercial dog food from Costco, without fail, every single meal.
          About six months later, to my surprise, Dance, who is now about 12 year old, starts demanding attention, starts jumping up on the couch and sitting next to me, demanding that she lick me. After several months, I connected the dots and realized that Dance’s mental health had improved thanks to the improved nutrition that we had been giving her for the previous 6 months.

    • Teemu Soilamo

      Why do people even bother reporting Krivit’s “news stories”? He is a baboon with a megaphone and a biased agenda, just an all-around poor excuse for a man.

      He flings excrement at the wall and sees what sticks. Has he ever been right about anything?

      • Bruce__H

        Krivit’s writing seems a little strange. I am reading him in English. Is this his first language?

        Although his writing is a little odd I wonder about the documents and facts he comes up with. They seem valid to me. Do you think he is faking these documents or is it just his interpretations that you challenge?

        • psi2u2

          Krivit has established a long history of being wrong about Rossi. I see no reason to think that has changed.

          • Bruce__H

            But what about the documents he digs up? Are they fake? Or is it just his interpretations that are wrong?

          • Guest

            The documents appear to be legitimate (the IH SEC filings at least are publicly available), but in the case of the article you linked none of those documents had even the remotest hint that IH has terminated it’s relationship with IH. That is entirely false.

          • Bruce__H

            I didn’t link to an article. I will now though. Krivit has an article in which he has dug up the US patent examiner’s report issued on rejecting one of Rossi’s patent applications. The application was rejected in Dec 2015.
            http://freeenergyscams.com/andrea-rossi-e-cat-patent-application-rejected-in-2016-whats-next-for-rossi-and-industrial-heat-llc/

            Do you know if this patent and its rejection been discussed anywhere within the LENR community?

          • Guest

            Have not seen it discussed anywhere. Patents get rejected all the time, particularly in this arena. Krivit’s documents are legit, he just puts his own biased spin on them. They could absolutely mean what he thinks they do, but not necessarily.

            Being perfectly honest, Rossi doesn’t aways inspire a ton of confidence. That’s not to say he doesn’t have something, but his mouth commonly gets ahead of reality.

  • Bob Greenyer

    It is entitled “Opening the door – Part 1”

    MUCH nicer audio thanks to the crowd funded 2nd hand radio mic!

    Only at low resolution at the moment… but you can download the PDF presentation from the video links… and go through some of the important videos and articles.

  • Teemu Soilamo

    Mats, were you reiterating Rossi’s estimate on the JoNP when you said ERV report mid-April at the latest, or is this based on private info?

    • Yes.

      • Heath

        Ok. So that was an either or question. Yes on private?

        • Bob Tivnan

          I think he understood the nature of the question and answered yes to both. If Rossi hires a biographer, I hope it’s Matts.

          • Heath

            Just looking for clarification. It’s in short order these days.

          • Yes, that was yes to both, meaning that Rossi told me what he also wrote at JoNP, that the ERV had committed to deliver the report within two months, which would be mid-April since the test was concluded on February 17.

          • Albert D. Kallal

            That’s a important distinction. The ERV document/report being completed and delivered to IH or Rossi is significantly different then a public release of such a document.

            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • Brokeeper

            The question is will Rossi/IH hold off at least another 45+ days to ‘announce’ the report together with the E-CatX announcement in June since all E-Cats are beginning to evolve into the E-Cat X: “The Hot Cat is evolved into the E-Cat QuarkX. So far. F8, F9.?”
            Making it one big news splash.

          • Brokeeper, I wouldn’t think he has any reason to do so (see my comment above).

          • Brokeeper

            Ah, I get it, business tactical maneuverings. I would like to see Rossi and Darden in a game of chess.

          • Remember that Rossi is a long distance runner. Check my book for the story when he at 19 set the new Italian record for running 24 hours non-stop—175 kilometers and 144 meters—beating the former Italian record set in 1891 by the legendary Luigi Vittorio Bertarelli. Also check the story on when he was in prison, in a cell at the size of the container of the 1MW test, but with five other prisoners inside. He also did boxing. If anyone is able to fight a hard fight it’s him.

          • Brokeeper

            He sure can. If he can’t beat ’em he can outrun ’em. hehe 😉

          • Nevis07

            An interesting response. Seems to me that as time goes on, Rossi’s hand gets stronger however – assuming it truly works. Competition will be gathering speed and closing the window to maximize return on investment as time passes.

          • Brokeeper

            I just ordered your book because my tax return arived. Great sales pitch. 😉

          • bachcole

            Ain’t wealth redistribution wonderful.

            If society knew how wonderful of a worker and human being is my wife, we would have gotten 7 times more of a refund.

            She is so hard working that she went to work twice in a row sick and almost passed out and had to come home early. I try to keep her from going to work sick, but she is such a trooper that it doesn’t do any good. She has plenty of sick-time, but she says that they need her (she is a cook) and so she trudges off to work like a working class hero.

            Everyone who encounters her is cheered up because she is such a sweet, innocent, and up person. I am perfectly happy with our “refund” and I think that she deserves every penny, if not more.

          • sam

            I hope they soon deliver
            F9 Positive EVR
            report knock out punch.

          • bachcole

            An F9 Positive EVR report may not be a knock out punch. The gradual but relentless increase in the number of customers for I.H. will be.

          • Guest

            Mats, as one of the few serious journalists reporting on this story, does it make you nervous that most of the information you report comes from a single source (Rossi)?

            Have you been able to get direct confirmation from anyone officially associated with IH on any of this?

            I.e., has anyone officially associated with IH (Maybe Tom Darden or JT Vaughn) confirmed there was a 1 year test going on? That it was conducted at an independent customer? That it is being evaluated by an independent reviewer not associated with Rossi? That that independent reviewer is properly credentialed?

          • I have sufficiently information from multiple sources to be confident that there’s a reputable third party and that there are some kind of tug of war going on. This is really interesting.
            BTW I just watched the movie ‘The Big Short’. What’s going on now isn’t necessarily anything smaller.

          • Guest

            Are any of those sources affiliated with IH? Or have they responded to any questions about their recent statement?

            Just given some of the specific language in that statement about not relying on statements from other parties I’m wondering if you have any contacts there?

          • I have no direct contacts with IH, but in different ways, messages or indications are reaching me. Again, what seems to be going on is very interesting. I hope I will be able to cover it one day.

          • Guest

            Just curious, but have you reached out to IH or followed up on JT Vaughn’s email with any clarifying questions? If so, have they been responsive?

            I don’t mean to beat a dead horse, but I think this is an important distinction (especially in light of their statement). While I know we all have some faith in Dr Rossi, one of the first responses when IH entered the picture was – “phew, this will lend credibility/clarity”, but if IH is not being engaged in dialogue then we’re still squarely in the ‘Rossi says era’. I know we’d all be much more comfortable moving on from that phase.

          • builditnow

            Mats, timing is trick however. If you get it wrong you loose your “shorts”, pun intended.

          • bachcole

            You know how those fake Hollywood bombs beep while a light flashes before the bomb goes off, like some retarded bomb maker would do such a profoundly stupid thing? Well, AR’s telling us before the big announce would be like that. Hardly anyone listens to us anyway, but it would be like a count down to the big tell.

          • Brokeeper

            Who will attempt to cut the red wire verses the green wire in time?

          • Omega Z

            What ->”retarded bomb maker would do such a profoundly stupid thing?”

            One that watched to many TV shows thinking it’s a requirement.
            The government tracks the Amazon delivery of those little beepers and flashy lights. That’s how they get caught. 🙂

          • Certainly Albert. And of course, this is my concern. However, I believe that Torkel Nyberg (Sifferkoll) is correct in his analysis that Rossi has everything to gain of publishing the result as soon as possible, above all in gaining credibility and in that way also a stronger commercial position, whereas IH has less to gain for several reasons—risk of being a target for attacks and risk of Rossi building a stronger independent position from commercial activities in Europe. Tug of war (since they need to agree on what to make public). We’ll just have to see who’s stronger.

          • Frank Acland

            Rossi has the E-Cat X hand he can play, if other parties don’t want the 1MW plant report published. I think he is at liberty to share information about it without the consent of IH.

          • Albert D. Kallal

            A very astute point on your part. The
            report really helps Rossi the most, and IH really does not need (nor want) publicity until they get their ducks in a row. And by ducks in a row, I mean things like ensuring shares etc. are purchased at a low price etc.

            Perhaps the ERV report will “flesh” out pending articles from Popular Science and Nature that you noted are in “progress”.

            My base point however remains that Rossi has no control over when the ERV report will be released to the public.

            Hopefully Rossi’s NDA will not prevent him
            answering this magic question from you: What is the “average” COP of the 1WM plant on a typical day? (you do have this question ready for Rossi, right???). 😉

            As Frank notes below, Rossi may well be able to talk about the Ecat-x. However, Rossi may will NOT want to ruffle feathers and break the “spirt” of the NDA So there is the letter of the law, and that of the sprit.
            Regards,
            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • Exactly Albert.

          • NCkhawk

            Mats – Is there a chance that Rossi is operating outside of agreements with IH? Have you taken into account Rossi’s history of using half-truth to suite his purposes? These things must be considered here.

            For whatever reason, you are personally raising the stakes to a very high level right now. You may already be crossing the point of no return. LENR doesn’t need another high profile failure right now. You will have responsibility for raising a lot of potentially harmful hype and interest. You risk taking a lot of people down with you if you are getting tricked by Rossi. Sober up man and stop believing EVERYTHING that Rossi is feeding you! This is getting beyond ridiculous.

          • Brent Buckner

            OTOH, as I have it the New Energy World Symposium is still contingent upon release of a positive ERV report. I don’t think Mats Lewan is “all-in” simply on Rossi’s say-so.

          • bachcole

            I agree. I can’t see Mats risking so much and then Rossi saying “sorry”. This is another one of those mini or soft confirmations.

          • Oh, I missed this comment Nckhawk/Weaver. I’m sorry, I cannot take your advise before having more proof on your claims, getting a chance to assess them. If you have access to the MW report I think you should send it to me. That would be a way to start.

          • Omega Z

            He who has the purse strings usually have the power.

          • clovis ray

            and the opposite is true as well , power holder’s, hold the purse. power is money, he who holder the power need not fear the rich, after all they have what is wanted, and it goes to the highest bidder, that is the free market in action. these days we need efficiency, a system that works for all,

          • Omega Z

            A Tug of War is common in Venture Capital Consortiums. Various members wanting to take different routes to market. Airbus went through it’s own growing pains. If I recall, some entities sold out their claims to a few.

            On the upside, Tug of War’s tend to only take place when there is something worth while to squabble about.

          • clovis ray

            HI, Mats
            I think,if there is an competitive feeling between the two, i feel it is absolute friendly arrangement, to spur production, as soon as possible,
            it is no longer debatable, and about the test results, Dr. R said, he would see,( as though he was our advocate) what he could negotiate, when that was put on the table, he always gives us as much info, as possible, and as secure as possible, he is under no obligation to say anything, so please remember that, and be civil and polite, to him as i know you are mats.. it’s not too much to ask for everyone here on these pages.,

          • Guest

            I believe Teemu & Heath were asking whether you have any private insight delivered by a party other than Rossi.

            I believe the answer to that is no, but please feel free to correct me.

        • Frank Acland

          Maybe he means both.

    • Dana Troxel

      Rossi has said in the past that the publishing of the report requires agreement between all parties involved. So sounds like the ERV and Rossi agree to release around mid April, but IH could hold it up by not agreeing (they may not feel ready)?

  • jimbo92107

    I came here with an open mind. I would like nothing more than to see LENR validated and adopted as soon as possible. What you are now calling “hatred and vengeance” is a sign of your own obsession, not mine.

    Fact: Andrea Rossi has been accused in the past of being a con man. Given that history, you might think it in his best interest to be as open and honest about his endeavors as possible, yet here we are on an island of speculation being spoon fed teasing tidbits by the very same man whose past results have hardly inspired confidence.

    Hatred and vengeance? Hardly. I find all of this to be quite entertaining, whether it turns out to be a world-saving technology or just another self-serving technological scam, of which there have been many. Our increasing desperation to find some miraculous solution to our pollution problems makes us vulnerable to scammers looking to trick rube investors out of their money. Do you think such scammers don’t exist?

    Promises of miraculous performance, along with a complete lack of concrete, verifiable evidence. I don’t mind being a fanboy, but right now I wouldn’t throw a penny in Rossi’s direction.

    • Frank Acland

      I think JiW was not accusing you of having hatred and vengeance — rather referring to the NET

    • JiW

      jimbo92107, I’m sorry, I didn’t mean _you_. I meant it as a general comment about people and their obsessions, and in this case it was about the style of Mr. Krivit’s recent “news”. You, one, a person… I often make mistakes with impersonal pronouns in english.

      And I agree with you, all of this is quite an entertaining and interesting phenomena, and such scammers as you mentioned can indeed exist. My current guesstimate: Rossi has what he says: 15%, other options: 85%.

    • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

      If common law habitués had a faint glimpse of what the Italian judicial system is capable of, they would not be able to call Rossi a con man, even after an official conviction.
      Personally, I think Italy is a wonderful place for vacation.

      • psi2u2

        Even on a short vacation it is quite possible for an American, especially one traveling alone, to fall prey to the Mediterranean tricks known as “basta fuori” — beating up the outsider with a stick. There’s a reason Rossi prefers the US. The US is certainly not perfect, but the mafia has less control here than in Italy.

    • psi2u2

      “Andrea Rossi has been accused in the past of being a con man.”

      Fact: Andrea Rossi has attracted financial backing from some of the most astute investors in the tech sector in the United States and England. Either they know more than we do, or you are accusing the likes of Tom Darden of being dupes for a “con man.” There is nothing in his history that suggests the viability of this conclusion. Do some due diligence.

      Fact: Many informed observers believe that Rossi was essentially framed by the mafia and/or became a victim of market forces beyond his control that radically depressed the price of oil, making his technically viable processes for converting garbage to oil unsustainable economically.

      If we are going to report rumors, they should be placed in some larger context.

      • to be more precise, Italian justrice after few trial concluded:
        – he did not any fraud
        – he stored his biofuel which was legally waste, and waste to be retreated, without the permit
        – he recycled gold in a way which was illegal
        – he tried to escape tax and bankruptcy after he was put out of business
        – rossi paid tax on the oil he produced, but law said it was not oil but waste.
        – his clients defended him in court

        later we found that
        – the chief of tax police (guardia di financia) who pursued him was caught later as corrupted
        – camorra at that time started to dump illegaly waste in south of itally while the green were increasing regulation and cost of waste treatments
        – the cost of cleaning of the site increased hugely
        – some unknown actors sabotaged the site, with the only apparent goal to force the authorities to pay the cleaning, at the expense of the city, the environment and rossi.

        given that one can propose the following theory :

        Camora in the 90s exploited Green laws to sell cheaper illegal service for increasingly costly waste.
        Rossi at the same time was proposing cheaper service (even if I suspect his process was polluting and he had not finished the industrialization).
        He was put out of business by a corrupted system.
        Consciously or as “idiot utile”, Media supported this, as guardia di finanza, and politicians.
        Mafia also tried to get benefit from cleaning rossi’s site at the most expensive possible cost, sabotaging the site to force payment.

        Rossi was not perfectly innocent in that I find probable that :
        – his process was still polluting,
        – he accepted wastes while not totally able to treat them perfectly
        – he tried to escape money from his locked down company

        • psi2u2

          Alain, thank you for filling in these critical details!

          It is clear to me that Rossi was the victim of a “perfect storm” involving other bad actors and declining oil markets. This time he’s the one who is, or shortly will be, driving down the price of oil. Such “revenge” must be sweet when you’ve been through the terrible things he’s been through.

    • Rene

      The best way to look at the Krivit article that two days after publishing it, he had to add two sentences to his original article that moved it from seemingly solid evidence over to conjecture and innuendo: “Apparently” and “[March 12 update: Two sentences were added to the beginning of this article.]”
      That said, I hope the ERV report comes out soonest.

  • pg

    the ERV had committed to deliver the report within two months, which would be mid-April since the test was concluded on February 17.

    COUNT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Also, Rossi said that he “sees what he can do with the agreement of all the involved parties” in terms of putting something out by March 23, the day after tomorrow.

      If nothing is published it implies ERV or IH wasn’t ready at this point.

  • Fibber McGourlick

    I just read Krivit’s article. His conclusion is based on his speculations, not on fact. The word “apparently” gives him away. Industrial heat has not said what
    he claims it said. Period. End of story.

  • My feeling is that although IH may not be in a hurry to make any announcements, that too much is going on in the background for the information flow to flatline for the rest of the year. I’m reasonably sure that there won’t be anything that the MSM can’t ignore though.

  • radvar

    An important angle for me recently has been the relationship between cortisol, emotion and discursive thought, which can become a vicious cycle, spiraling first up (“indignation”, to put it politely) and then down (mental exhaustion e.g. burned up all the neuro-peptides, and subsequent loss of emotional control, ending in adrenal exhaustion).

    Cortisol drives adrenaline which drives discursive thought. Controlling the cortisol with diet and supplements is not an obvious point of intervention, however, it’s possible. I’ve had success using ashwaganda for cortisol control. Though carefully. Tincture has been ok, not too expensive; the capsules just knocked me out.

    I was also told that cortisol can be related to GI stress e.g. gluten and other things that can be directly related to diet. I think that warrants further exploration.

    The best cognitive intervention for me has been from the Gelugpa teachings of “no essence”.

    Emotional intensity corresponds to the degree of reality that we assign to phenomena.

    For example, when we thought the report would come out in March, we had strong feelings about it. When we realized it won’t come out in March, that that was “not real”, our feelings decreased.

    Turns out If we simply question the “realness” (e.g. solidness, separateness, absoluteness, un-changing-ness, permanence, etc), of the object of our attention it starts to break the assignment of realness to that object or situation. That in turn starts to release the emotional intensity with which we view that object or situation.

    The key is to understand that according to the best analytic thinking we can muster there is no “essence” in anything. There is no hard little nugget of absolute reality anywhere. Things exist, there is an external reality, it’s just that it doesn’t have any essences. “Essence” is just a mental shorthand that we are really, really, stuck with.

    If we do the analysis, we find that it’s all just a network of energy patterns infused with observing consciousness. No essences. Anywhere. In anything.

    Because if things had unchanging essences, they could not interact with anything else, and there would be no phenomena at all.

    The trick is to connect our everyday thoughts with that deeper understanding that there are no essences, and then triggering that understanding with the phrase “no essence”.

    Starts working pretty quick, gets better with practice.

    • psi2u2

      Ashwaganda works for many in this way.

  • jimbo92107

    Here’s an idea. How about Andrea Rossi shows up at the New Energy World Symposium with an E-Cat Quark X. Just one, his 100 Watt matchstick, powering a regular incandescent 100 Watt light bulb, all day, or however long the symposium lasts. Just leave the burning bulb on the table, running all day. No battery or mini fuel cell could do that.

    And then the question is, will he find a reason not to do such a simple demonstration? Will he find a reason he just can’t show up at the symposium? If Rossi has what he has been claiming to have, a simple demonstration of his Quark will reveal nothing secret. He has almost a month to set up a simple light bulb circuit. Can he do it?

    • Brent Buckner

      The New Energy World Symposium is set for June – I don’t know where you’re getting “almost a month to set up”.

    • Christina

      One reason could be serious security. That light bulb arrangement will have to be protected as well or better than the crown jewels–because technologically that is what it is.

      If I were Rossi, I wouldn’t do it unless I had all the security personnel and equipment and personnel that those had who would protect the crown jewels if they were travelling.

      Putting the E-cat QuarkX out there like that is just asking to get ripped off.

      I’m not suspecting those attending, but would you want to take the chance of becoming someone’s hostage so you can procure the E-cat for them under pain of death of yourself, a friend who’s attending, or your family’s health.

      Gee, think espionage, etc. now. This is BIG! Unscrupulous nations will be trying to steal this.

      • jimbo92107

        Nah, a single Quark ain’t all that. He’s got more, and nobody knows the formula. Assuming it’s legit, Rossi’s got enough of a technological lead so backwards engineering a single Quark wouldn’t do much. And if it does get stolen, whoever tried to copy it would instantly draw suspicion if they mysteriously came up with their knock off.

        Folks at this site are cutting this guy ‘way too much slack. Andrea Rossi’s got a date with Show Me Something Real. Folks here should stop protecting this guy from reasonable skepticism.

        • LarryJ

          Demos are a complete waste of time. Nobody except us is going to pay the slightest attention to a demo. The mainstream scientific community will scream fraud and the press will follow their lead. Not only is it a waste of time but a successful demo would serve no useful purpose and as Christina points out above, might be a security issue. What does it really matter if the world thinks CF is possible or real. They all think hot fusion is possible but when. If you really want the public’s attention then give them a product. No demo is going to speed up that process. The upcoming ERV report should encourage the financiers and possibly assist the domestic certification but the public will ignore it.

          I am sure that Rossi could care less whether or not people cut him some slack. He knows what he’s got and so will his investors when the ERV report comes out. When skeptics post to his blog he simply says “You may be right” and goes back to work.

          • jimbo92107

            Complete nonsense. Every product on the market depends on demonstrations, and any competent engineer could arrange an irrefutable demonstration of something as revolutionary as Rossi’s stuff with no trouble at all.

            Where do you get this attitude that Andrea Rossi is an except to the basic rule of “show me?” Only a gullible true believer talks like that. The more I hear these defensive, emotional reactions to normal skepticism, the more dubious this whole thing looks.

          • Omega Z

            Rossi said a couple years ago, No more Demo’s. And Demo’s are not cheap. In business, it is considered one of the major expenses. They consume both large sums of money and manpower that could be better utilized elsewhere. Robert Godes of Brillouin energy when asked to do another Demo said he would if those who want it covered the cost. $250,000

            The only people who have a right to ask for a Demo are those paying for the R&D and potential business customers. Demo’s will never convince the skeptics as they will always find issues and once Business uses it the general public has no need for a demo.

          • LarryJ

            Normally I would agree that a demo might be useful, but only with a device that people know to be possible. This case is exactly the opposite. Everybody knows the product to be impossible or so far in the future as to be practically impossible, much like hot fusion.

            You say “Where do I get this attitude that AR is an except to the basic rule of “Show Me”. This actually is my point. “Show Me” is the only thing that will do it for Cold Fusion. My point is that irrefutable demos of impossible devices prove nothing and are ignored, disputed and refuted. If you want “Show Me” then nothing beats buying one at Home Depot or WalMart. When a person can do their own demo they will believe. In this case nothing less will suffice.

    • clovis ray

      Hi,Jimbo
      Explain Why you think, He would want to do that, he will need absolutely no advertisement.
      Word of mouth, and the msm, will be more than enough for a short time, then it will be an all out program to produce as many as possible, to satisfy the need.

  • jimbo92107

    Here’s an idea. How about Andrea Rossi shows up at the New Energy World Symposium with an E-Cat Quark X. Just one, his 100 Watt matchstick, powering a regular incandescent 100 Watt light bulb, all day, or however long the symposium lasts. Just leave the burning bulb on the table, running all day. No battery or mini fuel cell could do that.

    And then the question is, will he find a reason not to do such a simple demonstration? Will he find a reason he just can’t show up at the symposium? If Rossi has what he has been claiming to have, a simple demonstration of his Quark will reveal nothing secret. He has almost a month to set up a simple light bulb circuit. Can he do it?

    • Brent Buckner

      The New Energy World Symposium is set for June – I don’t know where you’re getting “almost a month to set up”.

      • jimbo92107

        What’s happening in mid-April? The Big Report? Either way, by mid-June certainly Rossi will show up with a Quark and a light bulb. If he doesn’t at least do that, I have no further interest in his bold claims.

        • Brent Buckner

          Please re-read my previous reply to you as to what is scheduled to happen when:
          https://disqus.com/home/discussion/ecw/e_cat_1mw_plant_test_results_watch_thread/#comment-2580483573

        • bachcole

          I have never taken his bold claims too seriously anyway. They are only a spur to my curiosity for me to keep looking for confirmation. Don’t let your credulity be binary.

          • jimbo92107

            Don’t worry, I can withhold judgement for a long, long time. Skepticism isn’t the same as doubt; it’s a tool for asking questions and finding out needed details.

            When I worked as a technical writer, my job was to ask engineers how their technologies worked. That way, I could write about how to use their tech without making a lot of foolish mistakes.

            Were I to interview Andrea Rossi, I would insist on seeing his tech with my own eyes. Not because I doubt, but because I want to see how it works. Maybe some day I will get that chance. Probably not, but if he’s got nothing to hide, he has nothing to fear from me.

          • bachcole

            I could have had that job. They practically held a gun to my head. I would have been good at it. I kick myself for not taking it. I would have been in a private military aircraft company. I am a wiz at writing; I ask questions. DANG.

    • Christina

      One reason could be serious security. That light bulb arrangement will have to be protected as well or better than the crown jewels–because technologically that is what it is.

      If I were Rossi, I wouldn’t do it unless I had all the security personnel and equipment and personnel that those had who would protect the crown jewels if they were travelling.

      Putting the E-cat QuarkX out there like that is just asking to get ripped off.

      I’m not suspecting those attending, but would you want to take the chance of becoming someone’s hostage so you can procure the E-cat for them under pain of death of yourself, a friend who’s attending, or your family’s health.

      Gee, think espionage, etc. now. This is BIG! Unscrupulous nations will be trying to steal this.

      • jimbo92107

        Nah, a single Quark ain’t all that. He’s got more, and nobody knows the formula. Assuming it’s legit, Rossi’s got enough of a technological lead so backwards engineering a single Quark wouldn’t do much. And if it does get stolen, whoever tried to copy it would instantly draw suspicion if they mysteriously came up with their knock off.

        Folks at this site are cutting this guy ‘way too much slack. Andrea Rossi’s got a date with Show Me Something Real. Folks here should stop protecting this guy from reasonable skepticism.

        • LarryJ

          Demos are a complete waste of time. Nobody except us is going to pay the slightest attention to a demo. The mainstream scientific community will scream fraud and the press will follow their lead. Not only is it a waste of time but a successful demo would serve no useful purpose and as Christina points out above, might be a security issue. What does it really matter if the world thinks CF is possible or real. They all think hot fusion is possible but when. If you really want the public’s attention then give them a product. No demo is going to speed up that process. The upcoming ERV report should encourage the financiers and possibly assist the domestic certification but the public will ignore it.

          I am sure that Rossi could care less whether or not people cut him some slack. He knows what he’s got and so will his investors when the ERV report comes out. When skeptics post to his blog he simply says “You may be right” and goes back to work.

          • clovis ray

            I couldn’t have said it better, Thank you sir.

          • jimbo92107

            Complete nonsense. Every product on the market depends on demonstrations, and any competent engineer could arrange an irrefutable demonstration of something as revolutionary as Rossi’s stuff with no trouble at all.

            Where do you get this attitude that Andrea Rossi is an except to the basic rule of “show me?” Only a gullible true believer talks like that. The more I hear these defensive, emotional reactions to normal skepticism, the more dubious this whole thing looks.

          • bachcole

            I guess you just haven’t looked at the evidence yet. The evidence is only rock solid for someone who bothered to look at it. Rossi has absolutely no need to convince you. He has obviously convinced some very heavy hitters.

          • bachcole

            I notice that you are judging LENR by us and our reactions and thoughts and emotions. Does that make sense for an independent thinker to do? Look at the evidence and make up your own mind. What LarryJ or bachcole or anyone else says or emotes has nothing whatsoever to do with the matter.

          • Omega Z

            Rossi said a couple years ago, No more Demo’s. And Demo’s are not cheap. In business, it is considered one of the major expenses. They consume both large sums of money and manpower that could be better utilized elsewhere. Robert Godes of Brillouin energy when asked to do another Demo said he would if those who want it covered the cost. $250,000

            The only people who have a right to ask for a Demo are those paying for the R&D and potential business customers. Demo’s will never convince the skeptics as they will always find issues and once Business uses it the general public has no need for a demo.

          • LarryJ

            Normally I would agree that a demo might be useful, but only with a device that people believe to be possible. This case is exactly the opposite. Everybody knows the device to be impossible or so far in the future as to be practically impossible, much like hot fusion.

            You say “Where do I get this attitude that AR is an except to the basic rule of “Show Me”. This actually is my point. “Show Me” is the only thing that will do it for Cold Fusion. My point is that irrefutable demos of impossible devices prove nothing and are ignored, disputed and refuted. If you want “Show Me” then nothing beats buying one at Home Depot or WalMart. When a person can do their own demo they will believe. In this case nothing less will suffice.

      • Christina

        Reading it over, it sounds really ludicrous to say, but on September 10, 2001, it would also have sounded ludicrous to talk about ISIS as it is now. Yet here we are.

    • Bruce__H

      These LENR units need to be stimulated (heated) in order to begin producing “excess heat”. I therefore expect one or more wires will be attached to the Quark. So I don’t think it can be the closed system you are envisioning for the demonstration.

      • jimbo92107

        No problem. If he needs a few more circuit elements to light his New Fire, go right ahead. It still needs to run, and keep running, and keep pumping out 100 Watts of DC. No battery in a small, clear package can do that. Thing is, it needs to be a free-standing unit, so people can pick it up, look for an induction coil on the bottom, etc. And Rossi should have no objection to somebody replacing his table with a card table. Only serves to make the demo more credible, right?

        • Bruce__H

          I think the thing is going to come with wires trailing out of it and going into the wall or some power source and the claimed reason will be that it has to be heated to kick it into the range of excess heat. It will always be possible to fake a prearranged demonstration. In the end the only convincing demonstration will be replication by competent people.

        • Omega Z

          ->replacing his table with a card table. Only serves to make the demo more credible, right?

          You’re a newbie here right?
          Accusations in the past. Heating with a secret laser from a distance, RF/Microwave energy transfer and even a hidden battery which by size and capacity would itself be worth Billion$. The only proof that will suffice is a working product in the market.

          • jimbo92107

            I may be a newbie here, but do you really think a roomful of engineers can’t tell the difference between a real demo and a clever fake? That’s why a real demonstration is done in an open, honest, public place. Hands on, nothing hidden.

            A continuous trickle of teasing emails from Rossi is hardly convincing evidence of a revolutionary power source. It’s more like stringing along a pathetic group of pseudo-scientific true believers.

            Are you a newbie to con artists? I’m not. I’ve actually known one, a guy that invented stories about himself as easily as you and I breathe air. It was remarkable how he talked his way into jobs for which he had zero qualifications. He wasn’t a bad guy, either, just completely full of very polite, pleasant baloney. Eventually he was caught and sent to prison, where he was murdered by guards for exposing a drug ring.

            Andrea Rossi has at most a few more months to prove his inventions are irrefutably real. If so, fantastic, the world is saved. If not, then Rossi’s world will inevitably shrink to a small cell with iron bars. I sincerely hope it is the former, but at this point I must acknowledge that it all sounds too good to be true.

          • bachcole

            Paragraph one: you are used to academic/scientific demos.

            Paragraph two: No one said that Rossi’s trickle convinces anyone. They have meaning because we are already convinced. You may not be because you haven’t looked at the evidence that I just presented to you.

          • Frank Acland

            Thanks — point taken, jimbo.

            One of the goals for this site is that it does not become a debating venue about whether Rossi/E-Cat/Cold Fusion is real or fake. Please check the commenting guidelines http://www.e-catworld.com/posting-rules/

          • jimbo92107

            Thank you, Frank. Your site, your rules. I do attend other fan sites, for baseball and such. People have honest disagreements and spirited discussions about this player and that, but nobody has reason to doubt the existence of baseball.

            This site is different. Clearly there are varying degrees of skepticism in play, but there is also an element of conspiracy psychology, as if people are unwilling to tolerate reasonably skeptical observations.

            For instance, I could make a “glow stick” with a simple ceramic heating element. I could make Brillouin’s remote demonstration by igniting little puffs of magnesium powder. What prevents people from ascertaining the truth is that they are not allowed in the same room with the demonstration.

            Playing the patent pending card is getting old. Somebody keeps telling me they can throw an un-hittable pitch, eventually I’ll want to see it. Time’s running out for Rossi’s amazing claims. I really do hope he’s got what he says, but there’s really only one way to know. Show us.

          • Frank Acland

            I think we’re all pretty much in the same boat, Jimbo — waiting on further revelations.

          • US_Citizen71

            “Time’s running out for Rossi’s amazing claims.” Why? Is the end of the universe nigh? I think he deserves at least a large fraction of the time that hot fusionists have been given. At this point he barely is reaching one tenth the time they have been given and less than 1/10,000th the funding. The hot fusionists still want more time than he has already used. A square foot of silicon based photovoltaic cells being lit by a flashlight comes closer to unity than any hot fusion experiment to date when you factor in the energy needed to support things like magnetic containment fields and x-ray lasers.

          • bachcole

            “Time’s running out for Rossi’s amazing claims.” That really is quite silly. What is really going to happen is that jimbo92107 is going to castigate Rossi as a crook, and then he will look really stupid.

            Are these people all going to change their handle when the truth becomes obvious, or will any of them have the integrity and courage to say, “I was wrong.”

          • bachcole

            jimbo92107, ALL of us here are skeptics, every last one of us. But at some point the evidence has forced us to believe. If you have not reviewed the evidence and expect us to spoon-feed it to you, that is entirely unfair. We put in the time, I gave you good links, you need to do your due diligence.

          • jimbo92107

            Peter Hagelstein was the original reason I came here, and it wasn’t so much his years of work developing a new Hamiltonian expression to justify the possibility of LENR reactions, it was because he broke down and wept openly that so many unheralded researchers, his friends and comrades, had passed away before the technology could finally be acknowledged by the established scientific community as a legitimate natural phenomenon.

            In the end, it wasn’t watching the MIT colloquium videos or trying to understand Hagelstein’s math that convinced me there could be something real going on with LENR, it was my inability to believe that a man of such apparent high intellect, selfless decency and dedication could spend so much of his career chasing something that just wasn’t real.

            But do you see the problem here? I’m not sufficiently educated in physics or math to actually understand what I was seeing. Instead, I made a decision based on emotion, not on irrefutable evidence. I cried when I saw Old Yeller die. That is not a substitute for understanding what’s going on.

            I’m going to back off for a while and just be a lurker. I don’t want to upset people anymore. Either Rossi has something, or he doesn’t I hope he does, but I just don’t know. Meanwhile, I will tell my acquaintance that his friend should go ahead and put solar panels on his roof. LENR’s going to be a while before it saves the world, if at all.

          • bachcole

            jimbo, I have a B.A. in psychology and a B.A. in philosophy and an A.S. in electronics technology. I do not need a PhD in physics to understand the links that I gave you. While you are backing off, read those freaking links or suffer my displeasure!!!!

          • Omega Z

            Actually, Rossi has done demo’s in the past that were convincing or he wouldn’t have the support of highly esteemed experts in chemistry, engineering and physicists among his Licensees nor would he be working with Industrial heat who had their own people build & test an E-cat. Obviously as a newbie, you just aren’t aware. Ultimately, only a product on the market will convince the majority of people.

        • Veblin

          jimbo92107. It saddens me to see someone so new here becoming skeptical so quickly. A little over a month ago you started posting here slowly and somewhat positively. Now you seem to be much more skeptical. What can be done to help you make up your mind?

          I think I know something that may help. Where you live in San Diego, California, zip code 92107, there is this cranky old man you should find.
          His name is.
          DR. GEORGE LAWRENCE HODY M.D.
          92109, 92122, 92130, 92169

          He lives and works very close to you as you can see by his zip codes adjacent to yours. His ideas on this subject may be very much like your own. I would be surprised if you do not already know the infamous Dr. Hody, but if not then maybe the next time you turn around, he may be there. Ask about sailing to break the ice.

          Sandy Ego.

          • … plus 10 ‘virtual’ up-votes for that – very amusing! 🙂

          • jimbo92107

            Thanks for your advice, Veblin. What makes me skeptical of LENR is the same thing that makes me skeptical of Bugs Bunny. I just love Bugs Bunny, and I wish he really existed, but the fact is, I’ve never actually met him.

            So far, all of Andrea Rossi’s LENR inventions live in the same house as Bugs Bunny. The idea sounds great, but we have yet to see any of it in real life.

            Cheer up, we have another promise of something like results in April. Then a group of supposedly neutral observers supposedly will tell is whether or not Rossi’s 1MW ecat did what he claimed, although we still will not have seen the actual device actually working.

            Meanwhile, I’m sure Dr. Hody exists, but I have no reason to meet him. Instead, I will go downstairs and take photos of my motorcycle, which is real, and put it up for sale on craigslist, where people sell real, tangible things. I look forward to the day that Andrea Rossi gives us pictures and shows the world that his inventions are real. So far, he has not.

            Pleasant day to you sir.

          • bachcole

            Please describe/define “real life”.

            I have not seen LENR in real life either. But there are those, people with something to lose by telling the truth, who have seen it in real life.

            We are all on the Internet. There is no “real life” here. You have to extrapolate from what other people have said. In fact, there is very little that we know from “real life”. I do not know for a fact that the speed-of-light is 186,000 miles per second. I thought that I knew that for a fact in the 3rd grade. But now I am wiser; someone told me that it was 186,000 miles per hour, and I still believe it because I am trusting other people.

            I did not take high school physics. So I do not know from real life that the acceleration of gravity at sea level is 9.8 meters per second per second. Someone told me. I believe them.

            I trust people who put their careers and reputations on the line. Why wouldn’t you?

          • Omega Z

            Just to inform you, Bugs Bunny no longer exists.
            All I can say is emm emm good.

    • clovis ray

      Hi,Jimbo
      Explain Why you think, He would want to do that, he will need absolutely no advertisement.
      Word of mouth, and the msm, will be more than enough for a short time, then it will be an all out program to produce as many as possible, to satisfy the need.

  • The Quark only makes sense to me if used in the following way.

    Imagine the Quark as a tiny little disk shaped fuel package about the size of a Lifesaver candy without the hole in the middle. Imagine many Quarks stuffed into a tube as a fuel package which is then stuffed into a receiving tube in the reactor mechanism. The electronics and control computer mechanisms are attached via cables to the receiving tubes that holds the fuel package tubes which holds the Quarks. So the Quark fuel cells hopefully last for 12 months and then to refuel the reactor all you have to do is quickly withdraw the fuel package tubes from the reactor receiving tubes and replace them with fresh fuel package tubes. The old fuel is dumped into machines that poke a hole in the Quarks, drain the fuel, crush the lumina casing and recycle everything. The rationale for all this is that the smaller fuel packages are more stable and everything can be accomplished by high speed automated machines with little down time to the reactor. In a home reactor, the homeowner could turn off the reactor with the flick of a switch, withdraw the fuel tubes, and exchange them for new fresh fuel package tubes that they can insert into the reactor receiving tubes. This scenario may be totally wrong and off base, but it is the only way I could imagine the Quark adding to efficiency. Normally if you go to the store to buy something, the bigger the package the lower the cost. The Quark goes against that logic, so this fantasy is all I could come up with to explain Rossi’s interest in the Quark.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Sounds reasonable.

    • Moore’s law coming to energy. People fighting deflation with negative interest are trapped in the world of narrow sighted economics.

      • Omega Z

        Mats, Do you know how negative interest works.

        When I was young I thought, cool. They will pay me to borrow money which could in time pay off my loan. Kidding and to good to be true anyway.

        To start, Interest rates for loans increases as money demand out strips supply. We all know that.

        Negative interest comes into play when banks are setting on large sums of money not being loaned out. Negative interest is when the Fed/Government charges banks interest on that money not being utilized in an attempt to move that money into the economy. In other words, loan money to people even if they can’t pay it back. The likes of which bubbles are made of.

        • Right. In any case, my point was that deflation is here to stay. For reasons based in physics. Economists don’t see this, and since they’re afraid of deflation, believing that people will stop consuming, waiting for an even lower price (as if people stopped buying electronics… did they???), they invent all sorts of things to keep inflation alive. But Universe doesn’t care.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            It should always be possible, and easy, for a government to beat deflation: just increase taxes. It fixes deflation and deficit at the same time. If a government doesn’t do that, it’s a political choice.

            But even without that, I don’t think deflation is here to stay, anyway. With LENR, the whole world has to be rebuilt, sort of: where and how people live, how they move, etc. Already the fact that cheap heating energy enables bigger houses which can reside farther away because of cheap transportation can cause a large boom in construction industry. From the point of view of 2036, the state of the world in 2016 may look like after a war: similar to how we look into year 1946. From the point of view of LENR world, almost all of our so-called infrastructure is outdated, because everything is tuned into saving energy. Not only how people live, but also for example trade routes and trade patterns overall. For a small example, aluminium is nowadays made in places like Norway and Iceland where there exists cheap electricity for some natural reason, but it could be made anywhere.

            And then there is expansion into the solar system: the idea of building large rotating habitats using asteroid and other small body materials. Forget Mars and other planets, because they are small. The solar system has enough small body material to make trillions of square kilometres of 1g, 1 bar, radiation protected habitat area, equivalent to thousands or even one million times the surface area of the Earth. That is a Moore’s law domain. It’s starting to be technically possible, and it wouldn’t even necessarily require LENR.

            Rebuilding the world, let alone the solar system, needs capital. Perhaps accidentally, central banks have been printing it for some years now, and thus far only part of it has entered into circulation. When the boom starts, the dormant money will start to enter into the real economy and the central banks’ early start may look wise in retrospect.

          • LarryJ

            Cheap energy will cause everyone’s input costs to fall dramatically. Energy affects the cost of everything at every level from mining the raw materials to delivering the finished product. It is quite possible that deflation of a very good kind will be with us for some time to come. The stimulated economy will create a large demand for capital to build projects that in the past were not even feasible and that demand for money could cause interest rates to rise thus encouraging saving. A truly virtuous spiral. The consumer will be able to buy more and save more all at the same time.

          • Omega Z

            Those costs are only about 10% of goods on average. LENR will have it’s own costs even if substantially less overall so savings will be less then 10%.

            Note to really stimulate the economy will require major adjustments to the financial policies we follow today.

          • for people like gael giraud energy have much more impact than 10%
            he compute 60%, but other economist for china computed that 100% of growth is because of available energy.

            https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/1961-a-French-economist-explain-GdP-growth-is-mostly-energy/

            assuming stable economy, and 10x cheaper energy, you gain 9% of price, but it seems that in fact production , growth is simply proportional to available energy, and for the same cost you get 10x more possible production.

            of course it will be new product=growth of +900% (over 20-40 years), not deflation of 9% in 10-20years.

          • Omega Z

            I was merely referring to average cost input of products.

            Obviously, it has a huge economic impact. Without Oil, we would still be getting around on hay burners and getting saddle sores or splinters in our behind. 🙂

      • Pekka Janhunen

        Innovations follow an S-curve: growth followed by saturation. Usually a tech is developed relatively quickly, and then it faces physics limits and saturates. This has happened for example to car motors, jet airplanes, launch vehicles and nuclear warheads.

        The E-cat faces limits such as Stefan-Boltzmann law and melting point of material. Because of these limits, plausibly (assuming F8,F9) the Quark is already almost as good as a LENR energy source can become, at least performancewise.

        Miniaturisation of electronics was an idea that someone got 50-60 years ago (“hey guys, there is a lot of room at the bottom”). This case is special because its full implementation, consisting of some 30 generations of chips, took so long. Only now it’s facing the limits of physics, the atomic scale. The electronics S-curve is long and its growing part was approximately exponential (“Moore’s law”), but it’s still an S-curve.

        • Pekka, you’re right about the S-curve. In the case of Moore’s law, Moore himself thought that it would be valid for a decade or two. It recently turned 50, and although silicon is coming to a physical limit, there are tons of new ideas on how to proceed on miniaturisation, keeping Moore’s law alive (through new s-curves), from three dimensional chips and use of materials such as graphene, to the evolution of quantum computing.

          LENR, as we know it, might be fairly optimised, but we now little about where further R&D will bring us. And that is still only the beginning.

          Exothermal nuclear reactions, as we know them, only transform the mass which corresponds to the binding energy for one or possibly a few nucleons in the nucleus, into ‘energy’. The total mass of the nucleon is in the order of 10,000 larger, meaning that if we could transform ALL the mass in matter, in controlled forms (think matter + anti-matter, but controlled…), you would have a possible future increase in efficiency in the order of 10,000 times.

          So, there you are. There’s still room for improvement.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            As long as the human species is as immature as it currently is (watching the news for ten minutes at a random day would suffice to confirm that), it might be better if this kind of technology were not available too soon.

          • The trouble is that human nature doesn’t seem to have changed significantly since history has been recorded, and we don’t have the luxury of waiting a few millennia for a ‘Star Trek’ society before we stop burning things for energy.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Right. But I would prefer the E-Cat to a 10000 times more effective device. 1 kg of matter equals 21.48 megatons of TNT. Imagine that in the hands of the wrong persons.

          • clovis ray

            Andreas, hi.
            What you say is true, and we as a society has a long way to go, in order to become, good but good will winn, just given time, because i believe i can change, there fore it will take just a small amount of time , be patient, be observant, and be informed, humans are good at heart, and time marches on.

    • Omega Z

      Remember, the 3.5KW Hot-cat took 4+ hours to come to power. Imagine having 30KW or more in operation even when not needed. Even cheap energy isn’t cheap if you waste 90% or more of it.

      The Quark being very small likely powered up in a couple minutes makes sense in that your energy output is scaleable to actual use demand. 100 watts or 20KW available in minutes.

  • I have sufficiently information from multiple sources to be confident that there’s a reputable third party and that there are some kind of tug of war going on. This is really interesting.
    BTW I just watched the movie ‘The Big Short’. What’s going on now isn’t necessarily anything smaller.

    • Guest

      Are any of those sources affiliated with IH? Or have they responded to any questions about their recent statement?

      Just given some of the specific language in that statement about not relying on statements from other parties I’m wondering if you have any contacts there?

      • I have no direct contacts with IH, but in different ways, messages or indications are reaching me. Again, what seems to be going on is very interesting. I hope I will be able to cover it one day.

    • builditnow

      Mats, timing is trick however. If you get it wrong you loose your “shorts”, pun intended.

  • Brokeeper

    But will the red wire or the yellow wire be cut in time?

  • LuFong

    Rossi is now saying on his blog that he expects the report by mid-April. Will be a very exciting 2-3 months after this although a lot is riding on a positive ERV report. I hope in this time there is also more confirmation of replications (should be) which will bolster Rossi’s credibility as well.

    • artefact

      On JONP:

      “Rodolfo March 21, 2016 at 7:59 PM
      Dr Andrea Rossi,
      Do you think the report of the 350 days test of the 1 MW plant will be delivered by the half of April?
      Thank you if you can answer,
      Rodolfo

      AR: I think so”

      • Frank Acland

        Delivered to Rossi/IH does not necessarily mean made public by then.

  • Omega Z

    What ->”retarded bomb maker would do such a profoundly stupid thing?”

    One that watched to many TV shows thinking it’s a requirement.
    The government tracks the Amazon delivery of those little beepers and flashy lights. That’s how they get caught. 🙂

  • Christina

    With idiots out there like the ISIS killers, I would certainly hope that Rossi and his family are protected along with his engineers and critical-knowledge workers. I hope they don’t wait for the government but hire their own ex-SEALS or any other personnel trained to be the tip of the spear.

  • Owen Geiger

    Is this part of leaked ERV report??? (humor)
    http://www.southernstudies.org/images/sitepieces/vogtle_redaction.jpg

    • artefact

      Twice the word evidence. I knew it would be good. 🙂

      • The Lugano report was not delivered by a commercial entity, used to comply with commitments, but by a group of researchers taking all the time they wanted to get ready.

  • Owen Geiger

    Is this part of leaked ERV report??? (humor)
    http://www.southernstudies.org/images/sitepieces/vogtle_redaction.jpg

    • artefact

      Twice the word evidence. I knew it would be good. 😉

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Gerard McEk March 22, 2016 at 7:08 AM
    Dear Andrea,
    It is good to hear that the E-cat X Quark still works to your full satisfaction. It seems to me that you are mainly focusing on that. I have a number of questions, if I may:
    1. Is one of the the main reason to choose for further development of the tiny Quark in multi unit fashion because you can better control the output power?
    2. Do you have a multiple Quark unit in operation?
    3. Are still E-cat X units in operation?
    4. Will you also continue development on the E-cat X?
    We all are looking very much forward for the test results, as you can imagine. We all hope the result will be positive and that your hard work in these endless inhuman shifts weren’t for nothing. Keep going! Kind regards, Gerard

    Andrea Rossi March 22, 2016 at 7:15 AM
    Gerard McEk:
    1- yes
    2- yes
    3- EcatX is evolved into QuarkX. Is the same thing, evolved.
    4- always
    Thanks for your kind wishes,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Gerard McEk March 22, 2016 at 7:08 AM
    Dear Andrea,
    It is good to hear that the E-cat X Quark still works to your full satisfaction. It seems to me that you are mainly focusing on that. I have a number of questions, if I may:
    1. Is one of the the main reason to choose for further development of the tiny Quark in multi unit fashion because you can better control the output power?
    2. Do you have a multiple Quark unit in operation?
    3. Are still E-cat X units in operation?
    4. Will you also continue development on the E-cat X?
    We all are looking very much forward for the test results, as you can imagine. We all hope the result will be positive and that your hard work in these endless inhuman shifts weren’t for nothing. Keep going! Kind regards, Gerard

    Andrea Rossi March 22, 2016 at 7:15 AM
    Gerard McEk:
    1- yes
    2- yes
    3- EcatX is evolved into QuarkX. Is the same thing, evolved.
    4- always
    Thanks for your kind wishes,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

  • Frank Acland

    2. On march 23, are you going to honour Peter Gluck’s wish “to help the LENR World celebrate the 27th anniversary of the field with a decisive victory?” for example, publishing the Executive Summary of the ERV Report or even better the balance of energy bought vs energy sold made by the accountant of the Customer during the 350 days of the experiment?

    Andrea Rossi

    March 22, 2016 at 9:00 AM

    Amos:
    2- The report of the ERV has not yet been delivered.
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

    • Mike Henderson

      It is quite simple to write a report that says “There’s nothing to see here, move along.” It takes a lot longer to write a report that will change the world and bring a lot of attention to the referee.

      I still go with February 2017.

      • Omega Z

        ->It takes a lot longer to write a report that will change the world

        And due to it’s significance, they will scrutinize it very closely several times if the results are positive. If they get it wrong, it will reflect badly on them.

      • LarryJ

        I expect the main purpose of this report will be to convince the investors that the development of the ecat is worth pursuing. The public will be given key points like average COP but the supporting data will likely remain confidential and only available to those who need to know, the investors and the certifiers for instance. On the one hand this will cause the skeptics to cry foul but on the other it will provide very little of substance for them to refute.

        For those of us already convinced by the caliber of the tests and data already published and by the integrity of the people directly involved, even a limited data, positive report will be immensely encouraging. I do hope the identity of the ERV is disclosed since in the absence of hard data, the integrity of the parties involved is the major support for my belief in this tech. A reputable referee would leave me somewhere near ecstatic. Regardless the public will still be unmoved and the world will continue to wait for products.

        • DrD

          You mention certifiers. In fact I think this is as important as the commercial justification. The safety aspects such as the stabilty and especially the lack of radiation of any kind needs to have been unambiguosly demonstrated.
          Regarding the COP, I know some of us are optimistic it will turn out to have been at least 6 and more likely well over 20.
          However, do we all appreciate that the E-catX will most probably have an infinite COP. Of course AR won’t comment — it will be F8,F9. Just imagine how the world will react to that.

          • Yes – the readers of blogs like this have had plenty of forewarning, and time to get used to the idea, but it will certainly come as something of a shock (assuming such news is ever released) for those who have never heard of either Rossi or cold fusion.

            BTW, I’m not sure about ‘infinite COP’, although I suspect it may be close. An electrical ‘jolt’ may be needed to kick the reactors into action, and ongoing control inputs may be necessary, perhaps bringing the COP down to a mere few hundreds!

          • DrD

            Yes, I’m guessing of course. If he uses a few of the quarks to generate a high % of electric, that should be enough to provide the power to keep them all running including controls and even store enough to enable the initial start up, which may happen often as he seems to be planning to control the output by shutting down some cells. I’m guessing that he will be getting a single quark COP of at least 20 (heat only) so input power will be very low (<1/20).
            That's based on the rumours that the 1MW plant achieved, (was 20 to 80?) and has said the catx COP is much better.

          • DrD

            To look at another way, If the indivudual COP is >20 he needs to produce 5% electric from each quark to require no additional input (ignoring start up and control).
            I’m optimistic but can’t wait to know for sure.

          • I agree that some kind of ‘compounding’ might work to make a reactor overall self sustaining, especially if we have correctly understood AR’s comments to the effect that his ‘quark-x’ can convert heat from other sources (read thermal e-cat X I guess) to electricity. I suggested something like that a couple of threads ago, but of course we don’t really have much idea of the various power outputs, operating parameters etc of any of these new beasts (not that we have much idea about older versions either!).

            My thinking is that while old versions of e-cat used EM stimulation of some kind (‘frequencies’ in Rossi speak) to generate magnetostrictive effects in the nickel, I speculate that in the new generation of layered e-cat X reactors he now uses an AC or pulsed DC current flow directly through the nickel ‘fuel’ layers to induce electrostrictive effects instead. The power and frequency of these inputs are probably also the initiation and control system for the reactors.

            If this is the case, there will be a need to supply this power at least initially from an outside source, which would mean that technically the COP could never be truly infinite. End of quibble.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            „I speculate that in the new generation of layered e-cat X reactors he now uses an AC or pulsed DC current flow directly through the nickel ‘fuel’ layers”

            I like this idea. This would save not only space, the more direct energy flow might also facilitate control. And you could reach a higher current density which should be an advantage as well.

          • DrD

            He has mentioned compounding in his blog.
            Start up power could come from the 1% stored energy I mentioned (stored in a battery).
            The EM excitation is all part of the input energy from which the COP is calculated (which we don’t know yet). IF 20, it is only 5% of TOTAL OUTPUT. I’m not saying he would chose to go this route but it’s possible and an infinite COP would be an impressive achievement.
            Of course the real INPUT power is from E=mc^2 but every one ignores that.
            Watch this space.
            Yep, end of quibble.

          • Omega Z

            DrD
            You don’t want them all running continuous, that would be a huge waste of energy and waste has cost. I believe 1 of the main purposes of the quarks are to scale output to demands of the moment. Whether that be 100 watts or 20KW.

          • DrD

            That’s what I thought I said viz:,
            “That may happen often as he’s planning to control the output by shutting down some cells.”
            Apologies if I wasn’t very clear.

          • Omega Z

            Apologies, After another cup of coffee, yep, that’s what you indicated.
            It will work if he can get the start up time low enough.

          • Omega Z

            Morning Peter, I agree it needs power at all times. Only the amount is in question.

            Having followed Rossi’s posts for a while :-), I’m pretty sure even when in SSM a small amount of stimulus is necessary to keep it going. On the 1MW plant, it appeared according to the numbers provided by Rossi to be about 2% of rated capacity of 1MW. This also fits the narrative that the device shuts down immediately when power is disrupted.

            However, lets assume people get what some seem to be wishing for.
            You kick start the reactor and it runs until the fuel is exhausted.
            No E-cat for the public as Rossi obviously has no control once activated. This would be available only to a select few corporate utilities with a 24/7 government employee standing by with a self destruct mechanism. A safety requirement. As they say, one should be careful what they wish for.

  • Frank Acland

    “2. On march 23, are you going to honour Peter Gluck’s wish “to help the LENR World celebrate the 27th anniversary of the field with a decisive victory?” for example, publishing the Executive Summary of the ERV Report or even better the balance of energy bought vs energy sold made by the accountant of the Customer during the 350 days of the experiment?”

    Andrea Rossi

    March 22, 2016 at 9:00 AM

    Amos:
    2- The report of the ERV has not yet been delivered.
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

    • Mike Henderson

      It is quite simple to write a report that says “There’s nothing to see here, move along.” It takes a lot longer to write a report that will change the world and bring a lot of attention to the referee.

      I still go with February 2017.

      • Omega Z

        ->It takes a lot longer to write a report that will change the world

        And due to it’s significance, they will scrutinize it very closely several times if the results are positive. If they get it wrong, it will reflect badly on them.

      • LarryJ

        I expect the main purpose of this report will be to convince the investors that the development of the ecat is worth pursuing. The public will be given key points like average COP but the supporting data will likely remain confidential and only available to those who need to know, the investors and the certifiers for instance. On the one hand this will cause the skeptics to cry foul but on the other it will provide very little of substance for them to refute.

        For those of us already convinced by the caliber of the tests and data already published and by the integrity of the people directly involved, even a limited data, positive report will be immensely encouraging. I do hope the identity of the ERV is disclosed since in the absence of hard data, the integrity of the parties involved is the major support for my belief in this tech. A reputable referee would leave me somewhere near ecstatic. Regardless the public will still be unmoved and the world will continue to wait for products.

        • DrD

          You mention certifiers. In fact I think this is as important as the commercial justification. The safety aspects such as the stabilty and especially the lack of radiation of any kind needs to have been unambiguosly demonstrated.
          Regarding the COP, I know some of us are optimistic it will turn out to have been at least 6 and more likely well over 20.
          However, do we all appreciate that the E-catX will most probably have an infinite COP. Of course AR won’t comment — it will be F8,F9. Just imagine how the world will react to that.

          • Yes – the readers of blogs like this have had plenty of forewarning, and time to get used to the idea, but it will certainly come as something of a shock (assuming such news is ever released) for those who have never heard of either Rossi or cold fusion.

            BTW, I’m not sure about ‘infinite COP’, although I suspect it may be close. An electrical ‘jolt’ may be needed to kick the reactors into action, and ongoing control inputs may be necessary, perhaps bringing the COP down to a mere few hundreds!

          • DrD

            Yes, It’s only an educated guess of course but if he uses a few of the quarks to generate a high % of electric, that should be enough to provide the power to keep them all running including controls and even store enough to enable the initial start up. That may happen often as he’s planning to control the output by shutting down some cells.
            I’m guessing that he will be getting a single quark COP of at least 20 (heat only) so input power will be very low (<1/20).
            That's based on the rumours that the 1MW plant achieved, (was 20 to 80?) and has said the catx COP is much better.

          • DrD

            To look at it another way, If the indivudual COP is >20 he only needs to produce 5% electric from each quark to require no additional input. Then add another 1% for start up and control so say 6%.
            From what he’s already told us I think that’s in site for the very near future, possibly even this year.
            I’m very optimistic but can’t wait to know for sure.

          • I agree that some kind of ‘compounding’ might work to make a reactor overall self sustaining, especially if we have correctly understood AR’s comments to the effect that his ‘quark-x’ can convert heat from other sources (read thermal e-cat X I guess) to electricity. I suggested something like that a couple of threads ago, but of course we don’t really have much idea of the various power outputs, operating parameters etc of any of these new beasts (not that we have much idea about older versions either!).

            My thinking is that while old versions of e-cat used EM stimulation of some kind (‘frequencies’ in Rossi speak), presumably to generate magnetostrictive effects in the nickel, and/or set up oscillations in the electron cloud, I speculate that in the new generation of layered e-cat X reactors he now uses an AC or pulsed DC current flow directly through the nickel ‘fuel’ layers to induce electrostrictive effects instead. The power and frequency of these inputs probably constitute the initiation and control system for the reactors.

            If this is the case, there will be a need to supply this power at least initially from an outside source, which would mean that technically the COP could never be truly infinite. End of quibble.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            „I speculate that in the new generation of layered e-cat X reactors he now uses an AC or pulsed DC current flow directly through the nickel ‘fuel’ layers”

            I like this idea. This would save not only space, the more direct energy flow might also facilitate control. And you could reach a higher current density which should be an advantage as well.

          • DrD

            He has mentioned compounding in his blog.
            Start up power could come from the 1% stored energy I mentioned (stored in a battery).
            The EM excitation is all part of the input energy from which the COP is calculated (which we don’t know yet). IF 20, it is only 5% of TOTAL OUTPUT. I’m not saying he would chose to go this route but it’s possible and an infinite COP would be an impressive achievement.
            Of course the real INPUT power is from E=mc^2 but every one ignores that.
            Watch this space.
            Yep, end of quibble.

          • Omega Z

            DrD
            You don’t want them all running continuous, that would be a huge waste of energy and waste has cost. I believe 1 of the main purposes of the quarks are to scale output to demands of the moment. Whether that be 100 watts or 20KW.

          • DrD

            That’s what I thought I said viz:,
            “That may happen often as he’s planning to control the output by shutting down some cells.”
            Apologies if I wasn’t very clear.

          • Omega Z

            Apologies, After another cup of coffee, yep, that’s what you indicated.
            It will work if he can get the start up time low enough.

          • Omega Z

            Morning Peter, I agree it needs power at all times. Only the amount is in question.

            Having followed Rossi’s posts for a while :-), I’m pretty sure even when in SSM a small amount of stimulus is necessary to keep it going. On the 1MW plant, it appeared according to the numbers provided by Rossi to be about 2% of rated capacity of 1MW. This also fits the narrative that the device shuts down immediately when power is disrupted.

            However, lets assume people get what some seem to be wishing for.
            You kick start the reactor and it runs until the fuel is exhausted.
            No E-cat for the public as Rossi obviously has no control once activated. This would be available only to a select few corporate utilities with a 24/7 government employee standing by with a self destruct mechanism. A safety requirement. As they say, one should be careful what they wish for.

  • Frank Acland

    Interesting, what have you heard about the ERV?

  • Ged

    I have to disagree there. Rossi’s patent getting granted, the advent of IH swooping in to scoop up a chunk of the IP, millions of dollars in investment (carried along by IH, however), and this 1 year test all came post Lugano report.

  • Ged

    How can any claims of credibility one way or another be made by anyone, unless they know exactly who the ERV is (no speculation)? Thus, if you know the identity of the ERV, please do tell us.

  • Gerard McEk

    I am affright that there will be no news tomorrow:

    Peter Gluck
    March 22, 2016 at 2:13 PM
    Dear Andrea,

    It seems the ERV is perhaps used to play festina lente when it is about a huge responsibility.
    However, the world’s greatest specialist in the Rossi Effect knows everything about the results and has also the bills of the accountant.
    In his opinion the results are good or bad? Is he contented with the COP values
    and other general, basic data?
    He can give the most reliable answer.
    Has he – being given the anniversary of tomorrow a personal message to the spirit of Fleischmann and to Pons?
    A bit of certainty could make many good people happy.
    I prefer a non- public answer if it creates the slightest problem to you.

    Wish you all the best and more,,
    Peter

    Andrea Rossi
    March 22, 2016 at 3:26 PM
    Peter Gluck:
    He,he,he…yes, as a matter of fact I have some familiarity with the E-Cat…
    You are too intelligent not to understand why in my position I cannot absolutely know and talk about the results of the tests before the ERV has delivered them.
    Besides, as expert of the matter as I might be, my personal considerations or results, obtained with my instrumentation, are worth like a joker in a poker contest.
    I am very sorry , but, until the results of the report are delivered, it would be extremely uncorrect for me to make any kind of comment.
    This having been said, I am delighted to remind to our Readers that tomorrow, 23rd of March, is the anniversary of the announcement made by Prof. Fleishmann and Prof. Pons of their experiment. Should they not have made that announcement, probably I would not have worked on the research oriented toward the LENR, and I think this is true for all of us.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • bachcole

      I decrypted the message and discovered that if you select every fourth letter and add 4 to it, it reads: “I am ecstatic with the results.”

      I thought that you should know that.

      • Gerard McEk

        Thanks Bachcole, you must be very good in math! 😉

        • bachcole

          Trying to understand my wife these past 27 years has made me practised at cryptography. (:->)

  • They’re working on replication and will probably remain silent until they have something substantial to report.

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Carlie Gowins March 22, 2016 at 4:25 PM
    Dear Dr Andrea Rossi,
    If the E-Cat quarkX will result to be good and ready for the market at
    the end of the preliminar R&D will you make a proper presentation of it ?
    Something that will be attended by anybody interested, also live online, in all the world ?
    F8,F9, obviously,
    Carlie

    AR: I think so. F8, F9.”

  • DrD

    Well it won’t be long before that speculation is history and we’ll know if youre correct. Mid April we think, or they might even surprise us on this anniversary.

  • artefact

    On JONP:
    “Andrea Rossi March 23, 2016 at 6:55 AM
    Frank Acland,
    The low temperature E-Cat too has been evolved during the 352 days of test, due to all the problems we had to resolve, but in a less revolutionary measure, due to the fact that we had to stay within restricted risk limits not to compromise the results, while with the Hot Cat we arrived to the E-Cat QuarkX thanks to our freedom of risk.
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

    • LuFong

      One thing that I find interesting and I hope the ERV report results clear up is why Rossi is saying 352 days. By my calculations based on Rossi’s clear earlier statements the test lasted 362 days. Given that there were numerous problems and that Rossi was indicating the test would go into March, having a 350 day test last only 352 is curious.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        As far as I remember, they were about to replace the fuel because the performance of the reactors had decreased too much. The next day Rossi stated that the test was over. So maybe the ERV and/or his client had approved stopping the test at this point, since it would not have made much sense to replace all the charges in order to gain a few days of additional operation.

        • LuFong

          Yes that’s one good explanation why they terminated the test early but the numbers still don’t add up. But is the 1MW still operating? If yes then it makes sense to replace the charges as required. Rossi has gone completely dark on the 1MW plant and we have to wait till after the ERV report to ask about the plant.

          • Gerard McEk

            AR does not want to reply on that. I do not know the reason. Maybe he just wants to close the subject.

          • LuFong

            A little more candid now that he’s away from the heat of the battle:

            Andrea Rossi
            March 23, 2016 at 7:54 AM

            Giuseppe:

            It will take time. Many problems emerged from the E-Cat after months of operation 24/7.

            Warm Regards,
            A.R.

        • bachcole

          Makes better sense to me than some of these other very negative interpretations. It would also greatly simplify calculations.

      • Mats002

        F10 which give a “He he he!”

        • Curbina not logged in

          I’m thrilled to see f9 is no longer in use. I am sure skeptophatology will make the last ditch effort, but I think once the report is known, the skeptophatology will fade slowly away…

          • bachcole

            Naaaa. Some skeptopaths will continue to deny it. It just depends upon how deep their disease state is.

    • Gerard McEk

      I have already said before that I believe that the COP of the tested plant will be more than enough the prove that LENR is grown-up and a viable new energy source. AR woudn’t spend 16-18 hours per night during a year if the COP were too low.
      Obviously the plant had also to prove that it is fit for purpose. As we know there were numerous occasions where a part of it failed due to many different failures. Some of them included also the core. If the frequency of failure is considered too high than the plant could well be considered as unreliable and therefore not fit for purpose yet. Another issue maybe that unstable elements are formed as Bob Greenyer, has suggested, which would also be unacceptable.
      I guess for most of us a considerable COP would be fantastic and the real proof of LENR when signed by a credible organization and I would be very happy with that result. AR wants more and that is understandable, because he has to answer for the considerable amount of money already spent.

    • NCkhawk

      I’ve been wondering why somebody in this forum has not done the math around the heat output of the 1MW system that Rossi has been testing. He lived with that thing for 60 to 80% of the day and should have been par-boiled by the system heat no matter how efficient he was at transferring steam to another system. A 1MW system in a shipping container which is apparently in a confined space doing work for the customer can only be so efficient. At 24MW/day, my guess is that temps had to be 150F+ or so around that device. Did any pictures ever show a cooling system? How was it so cool that folks could be working beside it for long periods of time? Did the building have AC? In FL, it would have needed to be really beefed up to make it so Rossi could coexist with his creation.
      Any thoughts on that?

      • Frank Acland

        He did mention that the shipping container had air conditioning.

        • NCkhawk

          Frank – I maybe incorrect about this thought but it sure does seem that a 1MW steam system will need more like an industrial cooling system rather than an AC?
          This is a huge amount of heat on a daily basis. In coal burning equivalent, that is close to 800lbs of coal per hour (depending on quality / heat values). Imagine the heat removal you would need to handle that kind of output. Rossi and his associates would have been baked lobsters if they just had an AC system. Perhaps that explains the rapid shift to electrical quarks. (real F1 or imagined F2).

          • Frank Acland

            I believe Rossi said there were actually two containers connected — one for the plant itself, and another for the workers, which I think was air conditioned.

          • NCkhawk

            Frank – duly-noted. Working from memory, the pictures of Rossi listening to his device, it doesn’t seem very hot or even warm in the vicinity. The control container pictures also appear to show the doors open and not protecting from outside heat or keeping cool air inside. I think this is yet another valid curiosity.

          • DrD

            If he has a good heat exchanger (which I have no doubt he has) then he wouldn’t need any cooling at all.
            If still in doubt, wait for the ERV but given that it’s probably a non issue it might not even get a mention.

      • Did you notice the thick insulation on the output pipes? All that would be necessary to keep the ambient temperature down would be a couple of extractor fans – no cooling system required.

  • artefact

    On JONP:
    “Andrea Rossi March 23, 2016 at 6:55 AM
    Frank Acland,
    The low temperature E-Cat too has been evolved during the 352 days of test, due to all the problems we had to resolve, but in a less revolutionary measure, due to the fact that we had to stay within restricted risk limits not to compromise the results, while with the Hot Cat we arrived to the E-Cat QuarkX thanks to our freedom of risk.
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

    • Gerard McEk

      I have already said before that I believe that the COP of the tested plant will be more than enough the prove that LENR is grown-up and a viable new energy source. AR woudn’t spend 16-18 hours per night during a year if the COP were too low.
      Obviously the plant had also to prove that it is fit for purpose. As we know there were numerous occasions where a part of it failed due to many different failures. Some of them included also the core. If the frequency of failure is considered too high than the plant could well be considered as unreliable and therefore not fit for purpose yet. Another issue maybe that unstable elements are formed as Bob Greenyer, has suggested, which would also be unacceptable.
      I guess for most of us a considerable COP would be fantastic and the real proof of LENR when signed by a credible organization and I would be very happy with that result. AR wants more and that is understandable, because he has to answer for the considerable amount of money already spent.

      • clovis ray

        hi, guys
        Gerard You mean his money up and until I/H bought the I/P. how many millions was paid for his i/p, 100 million , 1/2 billion or more you can bet it was not free. You guys seem to think Dr.R is ignorant, he know what he’s doing ,everything is going to plan, just like he wants. when the test is official, he will be getting his money, don’t you think.

    • NCkhawk

      I’ve been wondering why somebody in this forum has not done the math around the heat output of the 1MW system that Rossi has been testing. He lived with that thing for 60 to 80% of the day and should have been par-boiled by the system heat no matter how efficient he was at transferring steam to another system. A 1MW system in a shipping container which is apparently in a confined space doing work for the customer can only be so efficient. At 24MW/day, my guess is that temps had to be 150F+ or so around that device. Did any pictures ever show a cooling system? How was it so cool that folks could be working beside it for long periods of time? Did the building have AC? In FL, it would have needed to be really beefed up to make it so Rossi could coexist with his creation.
      Any thoughts on that?

      • Frank Acland

        He did mention that the shipping container had air conditioning.

        • NCkhawk

          Frank – I maybe incorrect about this thought but it sure does seem that a 1MW steam system will need more like an industrial cooling system rather than an AC?
          This is a huge amount of heat on a daily basis. In coal burning equivalent, that is close to 800lbs of coal per hour (depending on quality / heat values). Imagine the heat removal you would need to handle that kind of output. Rossi and his associates would have been baked lobsters if they just had an AC system. Perhaps that explains the rapid shift to electrical quarks. (real F1 or imagined F2).

          • Frank Acland

            I believe Rossi said there were actually two containers connected — one for the plant itself, and another for the workers, which I think was air conditioned.

          • bachcole

            The chances are that the heating container would have elevated heat, no matter how much air cooling there was. This air cooling would cost money. AND, this might explain to some degree Rossi’s weight loss, especially if he is going in and out, from inferno to Florida and back. His body would have adapted to being able with dissipate heat faster.

          • clovis ray

            Hi, guys.
            One must remember, that no electricity was produced, it’s product was heat, which i would think was removed from the reactors and transported to the work. therefore one would think that as much heat was possible would have been removed from the reactor area, not sure about this scenario, and how much residual heat was left in the contained, but evidently not much.

          • NCkhawk

            Frank – duly-noted. Working from memory, the pictures of Rossi listening to his device, it doesn’t seem very hot or even warm in the vicinity. The control container pictures also appear to show the doors open and not protecting from outside heat or keeping cool air inside. I think this is yet another valid curiosity.

          • DrD

            If he has a good heat exchanger (which I have no doubt he has) then he wouldn’t need anyspecial cooling at all.
            If still in doubt, we haveto wait for the ERV but given that it’s probably a non issue it might not even get a mention.

      • Did you notice the thick insulation on the output pipes? All that would be necessary to keep the ambient temperature down would be a couple of extractor fans – no cooling system required.

  • Gerard McEk

    Thanks Bachcole, you must be very good in math! 😉

  • Sanjeev

    Rockefeller fund dumping fossil fuels….. big news I guess..
    HOUSTON, March 23

    The Rockefeller Family Fund said on Wednesday it will divest from fossil fuels as quickly as possible and “eliminate holdings” of Exxon Mobil, chiding the oil company for allegedly misleading the public about the threat of climate change.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/rockefeller-exxon-mobil-investments-idUSL2N16V14A

    • clovis ray

      hi, buddy, yep,it hard to believe huh, this is not there first cut, check this,NEWS

      SEP 22 2014, 10:20 AM ET

      Rockefeller Trust Will Divest Itself of Oil Investments
      The Rockefeller family, which harnessed the oil industry to amass one of the greatest fortunes in American history, is getting out of oil.

      The heirs of John D. Rockefeller, who founded Standard Oil in 1870 and became the wealthiest man in the United States, plan to announce Monday that their charitable trust will sell its investments in fossil fuels.

      The announcement came a day ahead of a United Nations summit on climate change, and as world scientists reported that countries are spewing a record amount of carbon pollution into the air.

      The trust, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, was valued at $844 million at the end of last year. The Rockefeller family joins a growing movement of charities, pension funds, universities and other entities that have moved money out of fossil-fuel investments and into cleaner energy.

      Arabella Advisors, which tracks the trend, reports that institutions, governments and people who control $50 billion investments in all. The New York Times and The Washington Post first reported the Rockefeller family’s plans.

  • Sanjeev

    Rockefeller fund dumping fossil fuels….. big news I guess..
    HOUSTON, March 23

    The Rockefeller Family Fund said on Wednesday it will divest from fossil fuels as quickly as possible and “eliminate holdings” of Exxon Mobil, chiding the oil company for allegedly misleading the public about the threat of climate change.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/rockefeller-exxon-mobil-investments-idUSL2N16V14A

    • clovis ray

      hi, buddy, yep,it hard to believe huh, this is not there first cut, check this,NEWS

      SEP 22 2014, 10:20 AM ET

      Rockefeller Trust Will Divest Itself of Oil Investments
      The Rockefeller family, which harnessed the oil industry to amass one of the greatest fortunes in American history, is getting out of oil.

      The heirs of John D. Rockefeller, who founded Standard Oil in 1870 and became the wealthiest man in the United States, plan to announce Monday that their charitable trust will sell its investments in fossil fuels.

      The announcement came a day ahead of a United Nations summit on climate change, and as world scientists reported that countries are spewing a record amount of carbon pollution into the air.

      The trust, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, was valued at $844 million at the end of last year. The Rockefeller family joins a growing movement of charities, pension funds, universities and other entities that have moved money out of fossil-fuel investments and into cleaner energy.

      Arabella Advisors, which tracks the trend, reports that institutions, governments and people who control $50 billion investments in all. The New York Times and The Washington Post first reported the Rockefeller family’s plans.

  • clovis ray

    Hi, guys.
    One must remember, that no electricity was produced, it’s product was heat, which i would think was removed from the reactors and transported to the work. therefore one would think that as much heat was possible would have been removed from the reactor area, not sure about this scenario, and how much residual heat was left in the contained, but evidently not much.

  • M.A.G.

    A kind of a stupid question:
    As far as I understand manufacturing and use of nuclear devices (of any type) require any permits and regulations of certain government agencies.
    Does anyone know has Rossi received such permission or not? If not, how he held the one-year test? Illegally or what?

    • Brent Buckner

      I don’t know. I am not a lawyer. However, these folks seem to be pretty keen on making Fusors: http://makezine.com/projects/make-36-boards/nuclear-fusor/

    • DrD

      Yes,
      Some one even reported him but he was clear.

      • DrD

        Re above

    • Michael W Wolf

      If it was radioactive don’t you think he would be glowing after a year in that 1mw prison?

  • M.A.G.

    A kind of a stupid question:
    As far as I understand manufacturing and use of nuclear devices (of any type) require any permits and regulations of certain government agencies.
    Does anyone know has Rossi received such permission or not? If not, how he held the one-year test? Illegally or what?

  • ROSSI and IH HAVE RECEIVED THE ERV REPORT.

    Rossi is happy.

  • ROSSI and IH HAVE RECEIVED THE ERV REPORT.

    Rossi is happy.

  • artefact

    Goodbye F9

    • Gerrit

      “to release the report publicly in the near future” – F9

      • artefact

        But I allready removed F9 from my keybord!

        • Mats002

          ^^

  • artefact

    Goodbye F9

    • Gerrit

      “to release the report publicly in the near future” – F9

      • artefact

        But I allready removed F9 from my keybord!
        I used a screw driver and now I feel good about the result 🙂

        • Mats002

          ^^

  • Excellent news. I guess I’m very close to confirm the New Energy World Symposium now!

    • we-cat

      Dear Mats,

      Congratulations for you too. Although if the ERV report contains what we hope for the story would have matured on its own, you have been key in painting the context for the interested, in which this marvellous story is developing. Your work is highly appreciated!

      For the short term I truly hope your symposium will succeed beyond your expectations. You might want to start thinking about the logistics, because this could be the Woodstock of LENR / Rossi.

      For the longer term i foresee that the world will get to know Mats Lewan a bit better through the many media interviews you will give to explain this great new scientific field and its main players.

      All the best,

      JB

      • Thank you we-cat. If I have contributed to something good for the world through my work I’m more than happy.

    • Michael W Wolf

      I am thinking Pulitzer brother. 🙂

  • Excellent news. I guess I’m very close to confirm the New Energy World Symposium now!

    • we-cat

      Dear Mats,

      Congratulations for you too. Although if the ERV report contains what we hope for the story would have matured on its own, you have been key in painting the context for the interested, in which this marvellous story is developing. Your work is highly appreciated!

      For the short term I truly hope your symposium will succeed beyond your expectations. You might want to start thinking about the logistics, because this could be the Woodstock of LENR / Rossi.

      For the longer term i foresee that the world will get to know Mats Lewan a bit better through the many media interviews you will give to explain this great new scientific field and its main players.

      All the best,

      JB

      • Thank you we-cat. If I have contributed to something good for the world through my work I’m more than happy.

    • Michael W Wolf

      I am thinking Pulitzer brother. 🙂

    • Byron McDonald

      Any corroboration on the release of the report from a second source Mats? Will you be updating your blog today? Thanks for your work. You will undoubtedly be a very busy man in the coming months.

  • Bob Tivnan

    Very good news! So, Rossi says ” I hope that Industrial Heat and I will be able to release the report publicaly in the near future. ” I wonder what the hold up is. It’s interesting that he includes IH in this statement- it’s unlike him to to mention his partner on JNP.

    • Frank Acland

      They have to decide what will be made public and what will be kept confidential. I am sure some interesting negotiations will be taking place.

      • timycelyn

        That’s going to be the new source of speculation, isn’t it? Will we get:

        1. The lot
        2. High level data only (trends, rough COPs, etc) and the ID of all the players (I.e. disclose validation company and customer)
        3. 2 without the ID of the customer
        4. Only some high level data with all new IDs withheld
        5. Nowt.

        There’s a whole range of additional outcomes that fit between these points, but that’s most of the obvious ones I can think of.

        My betting is on 3 at the moment…

        • Bob Tivnan

          Doesn’t the credibility of the report hinge partly on the customer’s first-hand testimony? I will be disappointed if the customer doesn’t come out of hiding. Otherwise, there will be a perception that they ARE hiding something. Full transparency is needed once the details of the report is released.

          • Frank Acland

            I think it hinges on the neutrality and competence of the ERV. I don’t think it is required the the ERV is world famous , but they need to identify themselves and be shown to be qualified. I don’t think the customer’s identity is as critical, although it would be nice to hear from them.

          • timycelyn

            Frank, you beat me to it!

          • BillH

            If this is all as good as it sounds then they should convene a press conference on the customers site as soon as possible. Where we can see the actual plant, someone from the ERV, copies of the report distributed to the press, and the customer being handed over the plant for absolutely free! in exchange for allowing selected experts to view the plant in action.

            Then the revolution can really start.

          • Hi all

            That would be the point of employing APCO Worldwide.

            Kind Regards walker

          • LarryJ

            The revolution will start when we see products in the market.

          • timycelyn

            Perfectly fair point. I would suggest the weighting of this varies according to the ID of the ERV.

            If it’s ‘Measurements Inc, The Boondocks, Arkansas, then testimony from the customer would be the big deal that maintains credibility, but if it’s a company of the standing of UL then that’s it. Job done.

            Even if the customer’s ID was revealed, it would hardly be noticed…

          • Frank Acland

            If we had the customer’s word only for all the savings they had made, it would be a nice testimonial, but I am sure there would be people who would question their impartiality. We all know what the skeptics would say if that was the main proof.

          • bachcole

            Right. Without the ERV’s first hand announcement, there is no confirmation.

          • LarryJ

            Remember that this report was not commissioned to convince the public. It was commissioned to confirm that IH fulfilled it’s contractual obligation to the customer and I think the primary purpose was to assure investors that it is worth the vast sums of money required to bring it to fruition. Rossi has also indicated that it could be helpful to the certifiers. Transparency is not an issue. The people that need to see it will see it. If we get to see it that will be an encouraging bonus but it is unlikely that it will capture the public’s attention.

  • Bob Tivnan

    Very good news! So, Rossi says ” I hope that Industrial Heat and I will be able to release the report publicaly in the near future. ” I wonder what the hold up is. It’s interesting that he includes IH in this statement- it’s unlike him to to mention his partner on JNP.

    • Frank Acland

      They have to decide what will be made public and what will be kept confidential. I am sure some interesting negotiations will be taking place.

      • timycelyn

        That’s going to be the new source of speculation, isn’t it? Will we get:

        1. The lot
        2. High level data – or executive summary – only (trends, rough COPs, etc) and the ID of all the players (I.e. disclose validation company and customer)
        3. 2 without the ID of the customer
        4. Only some high level data with all new IDs withheld
        5. Nowt.

        There’s a whole range of additional outcomes that fit between these points, but that’s most of the obvious ones I can think of.

        My betting is on 3 at the moment…

        • Bob Tivnan

          Doesn’t the credibility of the report hinge partly on the customer’s first-hand testimony? I will be disappointed if the customer doesn’t come out of hiding. Otherwise, there will be a perception that they ARE hiding something. Full transparency is needed once the details of the report are released.

          • Frank Acland

            I think it hinges on the neutrality and competence of the ERV. I don’t think it is required the the ERV is world famous , but they need to identify themselves and be shown to be qualified. I don’t think the customer’s identity is as critical, although it would be nice to hear from them.

          • timycelyn

            Frank, you beat me to it!

          • BillH

            If this is all as good as it sounds then they should convene a press conference on the customers site as soon as possible. Where we can see the actual plant, someone from the ERV, copies of the report distributed to the press, and the customer being handed over the plant for absolutely free! in exchange for allowing selected experts to view the plant in action.

            Then the revolution can really start.

          • Hi all

            That would be the point of employing APCO Worldwide.

            Kind Regards walker

          • LarryJ

            The revolution will start when we see products in the market.

          • BillH

            The 1MW plant is the first product. If there are any outstanding issues with reliability say, then this is the best place to iron them out.

          • Guest

            Frank, same question as I posed to Barty above – what would your reaction be if the ERV turns out to be a familiar face (e.g. Levi et al, Penon, etc.)?

          • Frank Acland

            Well, I would be surprised if it was anyone from the Lugano team. Rossi has said the ERV is involved in nuclear engineering, and those guys are academics.

          • timycelyn

            Perfectly fair point. I would suggest the weighting of this varies according to the ID of the ERV.

            If it’s ‘Measurements Inc, The Boondocks, Arkansas, then testimony from the customer would be the big deal that maintains credibility, but if it’s a company of the standing of UL then that’s it. Job done.

            Even if the customer’s ID was revealed, it would hardly be noticed…

          • Frank Acland

            If we had the customer’s word only for all the savings they had made, it would be a nice testimonial, but I am sure there would be people who would question their impartiality. We all know what the skeptics would say if that was the main proof.

          • bachcole

            Right. Without the ERV’s first hand announcement, there is no confirmation.

          • LarryJ

            Remember that this report was not commissioned to convince the public. It was commissioned to confirm that IH fulfilled it’s contractual obligation to the customer and I think the primary purpose was to assure investors that it is worth the vast sums of money required to bring it to fruition. Rossi has also indicated that it could be helpful to the certifiers. Transparency is not an issue. The people that need to see it will see it. If we get to see it that will be an encouraging bonus but it is unlikely that it will capture the public’s attention.

  • Wishful Thinking Energy

    For the generally reserved Rossi to say he is “very pleased” I think says a great deal about the results. He genuinely sounds like he wants to release the results soon too. Great news. Time to book your tickets to Stockholm.

  • Buck

    Does this mean F9 and F8 becomes FINE on this new path of FATE

    • DrD

      Not F8, thats the E-Catx R&D

    • Obvious

      Expect plenty more F9. The Lugano test wait, before the 1MW test was also full of F9, but without the handy short form button. There was quite a bit of F9 (in the long form) even before Lugano.
      Now it will be E-Cat X, Y, Z with F9…

      • DrD

        No more F9 I trust, only F8 left now.

  • Buck

    Does this mean F9 and F8 becomes FINE on this new path of FATE

    • DrD

      Not F8, thats the E-Catx R&D

    • Obvious

      Expect plenty more F9. The Lugano test wait, before the 1MW test was also full of F9, but without the handy short form button. There was quite a bit of F9 (in the long form) even before Lugano.
      Now it will be E-Cat X, Y, Z with F9…

      • DrD

        No more F9 I trust, only F8 left now.

  • Gerard McEk

    This is great!! I have to prepare some presentations now, I guess. I hope we will get some details soon.

    • Andre Blum

      looking forward to them, Gerard!

      • Gerard McEk

        Can’t wait!

    • Gerald

      I’m thinking the same Gerard. As a starting sheet I’m thinking to compare our total energy usage needed for cooling over a year against the total heat production from the e-cat in the years test..

  • Gerard McEk

    This is great!! I have to prepare some presentations now, I guess. I hope we will get some details soon.

    • Andre Blum

      looking forward to them, Gerard!

      • Gerard McEk

        Can’t wait!

    • Gerald

      I’m thinking the same Gerard. As a starting sheet I’m thinking to compare our total energy usage needed for cooling over a year against the total heat production from the e-cat in the years test..

  • bachcole

    Although this is not exactly confirmation, I will jump for joy and tell my family. I do trust Rossi up to this miracle and wonder. (:->)

  • bachcole

    Although this is not exactly confirmation, I will jump for joy and tell my family. I do trust Rossi up to this miracle and wonder. (:->)

  • LuFong

    Yahoo! Things should really start to move now.

  • Now…

    Who or what is the ERV? Are they credible and independent?

    How does Industrial Heat react?

    Does the report get released (at least the executive summary)? Or has the dependence on secrecy become permanent?

    • That’s what I fear.
      A totally unknown and dubious ERV.

      This would leverage the complete last year.

      • Brent Buckner

        With IH’s involvement I have negligible concern about the ERV being “totally unknown and dubious”.

      • Guest

        Barty, would it be better or worse in your mind if the ERV turns out to be too-well-known (i.e., any of the names associated with previous 3rd party tests – Levi et al, Penon, etc)?

        • Very very bad!

          At best it is an employee in a very serious position of a well known and state trusted certification organization.

          In germany we would say “TÜV” (see wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technischer_Überwachungsverein).
          Don’t know how the equivalent is called in the US.

          • Guest

            I am highly concerned the ERV is going to turn out to be someone already familiar in this story…

            And if the customer’s name never gets released (or worse, it does get released and it’s JM Products Inc – ask me why later if this does in fact happen) then all the optimism I’m feeling about Rossi will come crashing down in a moment…

            Given IH’s silence on this topic in the context of their recent letter, I’m also worried about what their level of ownership/involvement in this test has been…

            But fingers crossed none of this comes into play!

          • Frank Acland

            I think the most important thing that will come out of the report is the beginning of the building of production capabilities. It sounds like that has been accomplished.

            What gets released publicly will be very interesting, especially us on the outside, and hopefully we can learn a lot more about the capabilities of the E-Cat, but I think in the long term won’t be as important as getting E-Cat products into the market, which is what this whole project has been all about.

        • cashmemorz

          So you are saying that the power produced by the photovoltaics, as in the picture, fed into a LENR device such as an E-CAT x will produce 20x the power that comes out of the photovoltaics? Then an investment in the pholovoltaics will not be a total loss in terms of the future worth of the photovoltaics.

          • DrD

            If it’s an E-Cat x, it won’t need the PV’s, it only needs a small part of it’s output as electric to provide the 5% for it’s own power needs.

      • Frank Acland

        Well, I would be surprised if it was anyone from the Lugano team. Rossi has said the ERV is involved in nuclear engineering, and those guys are academics.

  • Now…

    Who or what is the ERV? Are they credible and independent?

    How does Industrial Heat react?

    Does the report get released (at least the executive summary)? Or has the dependence on secrecy become permanent?

    • That’s what I fear.
      A totally unknown and dubious ERV.

      This would leverage the complete last year.

      We had too much of this promising claims, and received disappointing and questionable data afterwards.
      Let’s hope the professionalism of IH comes into account here…

      • Brent Buckner

        With IH’s involvement I have negligible concern about the ERV being “totally unknown and dubious”.

      • Guest

        Barty, would it be better or worse in your mind if the ERV turns out to be too familiar (i.e., any of the names associated with previous 3rd party tests – Levi et al, Penon, etc – who could be viewed as within Rossi’s sphere of influence)?

        • Very very bad!

          At best it is an employee in a very serious position of a well known and state trusted certification organization.
          I hope the business knowledge and professionalism of Industrial Heat let the chose exactly such a person. For their own safety too.

          In germany we would say “TÜV” (see wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technischer_Überwachungsverein).
          Don’t know how the equivalent is called in the US.

          • Guest

            I am highly concerned the ERV is going to turn out to be someone already familiar in this story…

            And if the customer’s name never gets released (or worse, it does get released and it’s JM Products Inc – ask me why later if this does in fact happen) then all the optimism I’m feeling about Rossi will come crashing down in a moment…

            Given IH’s silence on this topic in the context of their recent letter, I’m also worried about what their level of ownership/involvement in this test has been…

            But fingers crossed none of this comes into play!

          • Frank Acland

            I think the most important thing that will come out of the report is the beginning of the building of production capabilities. It sounds like that has been accomplished.

            What gets released publicly will be very interesting, especiallyto us on the outside, and hopefully we can learn a lot more about the capabilities of the E-Cat, but I think in the long term won’t be as important as getting E-Cat products into the market, which is what this whole project has been all about.

          • Guest

            I think you’re right. But I would qualify that and say that it’s important to see production capabilities being built out/supported not just by AR, but also by IH who also has a manufacturing license. So far Rossi is the only voice we hear.

  • Tom59

    Nice from AR to inform us immediately!

  • Tom59

    Nice from AR to inform us immediately!

  • LuFong

    It sounds like Rossi wants to release the full report–“I hope that Industrial Heat and I will be able to release the report publicaly[sic] in the near future.” While I’m not expecting this I’ll be extremely happy if we get at least the executive summary and the name of the person/organization that performed the test.

  • deleo77

    Now someone needs to figure out how to ask Rossi the right question so we can get to the next level with this.

    1. Do you need to use F9 anymore?
    2. Will the Sweden LENR symposium now be able to move forward?

    • Michael W Wolf

      Rossi posted no more F9.

  • Ramos

    Rossi spent 1 year in the contener, he more than anyone, wants to see his work revealed.

  • Ramos

    Rossi spent 1 year in the contener, he more than anyone, wants to see his work revealed.

  • Mats002

    F10 which give a “He he he!”

  • Alastair Hodgson

    Looks like big money has a keen eye on this, (Oil prices fell about 3 percent today) http://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-oil-idUSKCN0WU01Y. Them oil futures are gunna tank if the report really is as positive as Rossi claims.

    • Seems big-oil has reached the end of an era. It keeps getting slammed. Governments will change.

  • Gerald

    Great news!! Good to see Rossi changed the F9 key back for his good old Caps Lock.

  • Stephen

    I’m so happy to read this. I was dozing quietly then when I woke up to find this news. Absolutely great!

    My huge respect also goes to everyone here who has been following and supporting this from the beginning. It seems now your sustained support is coming through. What a Great Day.

  • catfish

    very good sort-of news!

  • Stephen

    I’m so happy to read this. I was dozing quietly then when I woke up to find this news. Absolutely great!

    My huge respect also goes to everyone here who has been following and supporting this from the beginning. It seems now your sustained support is coming through. What a Great Day.

  • Wow!

    • clovis ray

      you took the words right out of my mouth, –smile

  • Wow!

    • clovis ray

      you took the words right out of my mouth, –smile

  • Seems big-oil has reached the end of an era. It keeps getting slammed. Governments will change.

  • vokzzi V

    Soon, we will experience a similar thing as spectators at World’s Columbian Exposition in Chicago in 1893

  • vokzzi V

    Soon, we will experience a similar thing as spectators at World’s Columbian Exposition in Chicago in 1893

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Andrea Rossi March 29, 2016 at 3:52 PM
    Nils Fryklund:
    Now the industrialization will be faster. Tomorrow I have an important
    meeting with the ABB guy for the robotized line to be made in our
    factory.
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Andrea Rossi March 29, 2016 at 3:52 PM
    Nils Fryklund:
    Now the industrialization will be faster. Tomorrow I have an important
    meeting with the ABB guy for the robotized line to be made in our
    factory.
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

  • Mike403

    Share this. Do what you can to spread the news. It may take the media a while to get this ‘out there’, but the more that can be done via Twitter and Facebook etc., the harder it will become for this revolution to be suppressed. Carpe Diem!

    • SG

      I agree with this sentiment. I get the feeling that Rossi agrees with this sentiment generally as well. However, I get the sense that IH is much more reserved and publicity-shy. This may be for strategic business reasons, but I think they are going to have to come to grips with the fact that they have a tiger by the tail and the tiger is about to growl very ferociously.

    • hempenearth

      Tom Darden does/did not want publicity. He may not want it published. Or the customer may not want it published, at least details of their energy use – they may want to maintain their advantage over their competitors for as long as possible. After waiting years so far I can wait a bit longer to get a “bird in hand” before sharing.

      • Mike403

        No: This is our chance to help push this agenda along. If we do nothing then we make it easy for IH etc to set the stage according to their wishes / paradigm. If we try and ‘push’ this it may just achieve ‘breakout’ into media (and general public awareness).

        • hempenearth

          Breakout into the media (and general public awareness) is just what Darden & IH didn’t want. Maybe that has changed, given the communications with that global PR company and I’ll be happy to share the report when IH & Rossi release it. They may still not want a breakout into the media and may release only parts of the report to dampen the excitement – as Timycelyn mentioned below.

          • Mike403

            PUSH PUSH PUSH!

      • Lightning Mike

        Ha! Lol. That was from a monthly astrology column I write for a local news site. Just repeating rumors from this site….getting excited though! Might try to write up something special once we get the report. At least I know I can get something posted that will reach this little corner of the Oregon Coast. Hopefully this will bring a big sea change in the media coverage though 🙂

  • Mike403

    Share this. Do what you can to spread the news. It may take the media a while to get this ‘out there’, but the more that can be done via Twitter and Facebook etc., the harder it will become for this revolution to be suppressed. Carpe Diem!

    • SG

      I agree with this sentiment. I get the feeling that Rossi agrees with this sentiment generally as well. However, I get the sense that IH is much more reserved and publicity-shy. This may be for strategic business reasons, but I think they are going to have to come to grips with the fact that they have a tiger by the tail and the tiger is about to growl very ferociously.

    • Guest

      Probably prudent to wait until there’s something we can all see and evaluate ourselves. We don’t even know if the ERV report is going to be made public, let alone whether it will satisfy the critics and the doubters.

      • Mike403

        If we wait we may help ‘bury’ this. It (New Fire) needs a bit of ‘blowing’ to help it to ‘catch’ !

        • M

          Cold fusion was initially ‘buried’ because of too much ‘blowing’ (prematurely), not because of too little. If this is really IT, the fire will ‘catch’ on its own. No amount of blowing by those here, or lack thereof, will make the least bit of difference. Patience and prudence.

        • Guest

          If the ERV report is as conclusive, the expert as credible, and the data as rigorous as you expect, there is no way it gets buried…

          The story right now is still essentially “Rossi says he has something”, wait a few days longer. See if the story progresses past that point (as we all hope and expect it to), and then decide if there’s enough substance to push push push.

    • hempenearth

      Tom Darden does/did not want publicity. He may not want it published. Or the customer may not want it published, at least details of their energy use – they may want to maintain their advantage over their competitors for as long as possible. After waiting years so far I can wait a bit longer to get a “bird in hand” before sharing.

      • Mike403

        No: This is our chance to help push this agenda along. If we do nothing then we make it easy for IH etc to set the stage according to their wishes / paradigm. If we try and ‘push’ this it may just achieve ‘breakout’ into media (and general public awareness).

        • hempenearth

          Breakout into the media (and general public awareness) is just what Darden & IH didn’t want. Maybe that has changed, given the communications with that global PR company and I’ll be happy to share the report when IH & Rossi release it. They may still not want a breakout into the media and may release only parts of the report to dampen the excitement – as Timycelyn mentioned below.

          Edit to add: There is so much evidence supporting LENR and so many who don’t know about it, every day we have a chance to push this agenda along.

          • Mike403

            PUSH PUSH PUSH!

          • clovis ray

            Come on Mike, , do you know who Mr. Darden is. and who his boss is, I assure you they aren’t ‘ someone you can second guess, lol

        • Guest

          In my opinion this approach would be dangerous and foolish in the long run.

          Look what happened to F&P when they were pressured into releasing too early… If the ERV report never gets released, or does get released and it turns out there are issues with the expert or the customer, then MSM will just as quickly leap to declare another hoax and LENR research will be set back another 30 years. Until we see it, or get confirmation from another entity, this is still just a ‘Rossi says’ event.

          Look, if the ERV report comes out and is as earth-shattering as you expect, there’s no way the story gets buried. 10 more days (or so) is not a long time to wait… See who it’s from, see what it says, then make the decision.

          • LarryJ

            We can take heart from a positive ERV but products are the only thing that will actually change perceptions or the world.

  • pg

    Andrea Rossi

    March 29, 2016 at 4:09 PM

    PG:

    No more F9, still F8.

    Warm Regards,

    A.R.

    • bachcole

      If that is not code I don’t know what is.

      But, I forget, what did F8 mean?

      • LarryJ

        F8 = Once the preliminary R&D of the quark(x) is complete

  • pg

    Andrea Rossi

    March 29, 2016 at 4:09 PM

    PG:

    No more F9, still F8.

    Warm Regards,

    A.R.

    • bachcole

      If that is not code I don’t know what is.

      But, I forget, what did F8 mean?

      • LarryJ

        F8 = Once the preliminary R&D of the quark(x) is complete

        • bachcole

          Well, this 1MW test report does not change the need for F8. We have no confirmation for the quark(x).

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “gregha March 29, 2016 at 2:18 PM
    If not a full release of the ERV report, how about a synopsis?

    Andrea Rossi March 29, 2016 at 4:12 PM
    Gregha:
    Yes, I will publish it within a tenth of days, anyway.
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

    • Teemu Soilamo

      So, in 2.4 hours? Can’t wait! 😉

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        That’s a good one. A perfect example of how Rossi speak can lead one to false conclusions 🙂

        • M

          Exactly. And as far as I can tell no one has pointed out yet that it is at least ambiguous what Rossi will publish within 10 days — a synopsis or the report itself? I first read his statement to mean he would only be releasing the synopsis, as that’s the question he was asked. It was only after reading Frank’s headline that I realized there was a more optimistic interpretation. Frank, I really think you should consider revising the headline to make it clear that Rossi has committed to releasing “something” within ten days. Otherwise if he releases only a synopsis, he’ll get accused of bait-and-switch. Plus it is raising expectations more than warranted, IMHO. But let’s hope for the best.m

          • Frank Acland

            Good idea. I added the word ‘version’.

      • Brokeeper

        Depending on how many days. 🙂

  • Curbina not logged in

    I’m thrilled to see f9 is no longer in use. I am sure skeptophatology will make the last ditch effort, but I think once the report is known, the skeptophatology will fade slowly away…

    • bachcole

      Naaaa. Some skeptopaths will continue to deny it. It just depends upon how deep their disease state is.

      • Bruce__H

        Skepticism is a healthy reaction to new proposals. It isn’t a disease state and it isn’t a narrow minded viewpoint. It reflects a type of modesty that comes from knowing how often we can fool ourselves and fool each other.

        “Skeptopath” is an ad hominem used by people who don’t want their ideas questioned.

        • psi2u2

          Actually I’m not sure I can agree with that. There are people active on the internet whose need to identify with “authority” is so strong that they routinely don’t like to have their ideas questioned. They’re a real bane, for example, on Wikipedia.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    This is great news for two reasons, the report is positive, and Rossi definitely shows independence from IH. I was afraid he was being censored by IH. He is still that independent, free market
    entrepreneur, inventor, genius and humanitarian we all have grown to love.

    • Curbina

      Bernie, the fact that Rossi has not released it and mentions “I hope that Industrial Heat and I will be able to release the report publicaly in the near future.” IMHO, points out to the possibility that Rossi is not free to spill the beans right now and has to be in agreement with IH. Take this in context with the APCO delivered announcement, and we might be beginning to see a certain degree of struggle to withhold information by part of IH. I hope that I am wrong, but I would not be surprised that I could be right.

      • Albert D. Kallal

        Rossi’s stating he might be able to release some kind of summary in 10 days, but the headline as of now is miss-leading, since the ERV or IH not stated they will release a summary, but only Rossi – that’s if he allowed to.
        R
        Albert

        • Curbina

          I hope he is allowed.

      • bachcole

        The appropriate idiom is not “spill the beans”. It is “spill the diamonds”.

        • Teemu Soilamo

          You do know that ‘bean counters’ do not actually count beans…

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    This is great news for two reasons, the report is positive, and Rossi definitely shows independence from IH. I was afraid he was being censored by IH. He is still that independent, free market
    entrepreneur, inventor, genius and humanitarian we all have grown to love.

    • Curbina

      Bernie, the fact that Rossi has not released it and mentions “I hope that Industrial Heat and I will be able to release the report publicaly in the near future.” IMHO, points out to the possibility that Rossi is not free to spill the beans right now and has to be in agreement with IH. Take this in context with the APCO delivered announcement, and we might be beginning to see a certain degree of struggle to withhold information by part of IH. I hope that I am wrong, but I would not be surprised that I could be right.

      • Albert D. Kallal

        Rossi’s stating he might be able to release some kind of summary in 10 days, but the headline as of now is miss-leading, since the ERV or IH not stated they will release a summary, but only Rossi – that’s if he allowed to.
        R
        Albert

        • Curbina

          I hope he is allowed.

          • clovis ray

            smiling,

      • bachcole

        The appropriate idiom is not “spill the beans”. It is “spill the diamonds”.

        • Teemu Soilamo

          You do know that ‘bean counters’ do not actually count beans…

          • bachcole

            But we were not talking about “bean counters”. We were talking about Rossi. (:->)

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    So the report is very positive. I think we all assumed that to be the case.

    I presume the following:

    – The EVR will report a nuclear origin as explanation for the delivered energy;
    – COP possibly 20+;
    – Contractual obligations by Rossi have been fulfilled;
    – Strongly decreased customer energy bill (this should be the strongest LENR evidence available ever delivered (IMHO));
    – Report will be published within 10 days by Rossi or IH/Customer;
    – Fine as the report may turn out, the real target will be the e-cat X; this is the holy grail (electricity, light and heat) and will probably the end product we will eventually buy. The quarks are derivatives of the same technique.
    – The endgame has begun: if MainStream Media picks this up, players in this field will be forced to come out into the open with their own products / results. If this still doesn’t get picked up by the MSM, at least the hidden big players such as those in the oil and energy industries will have to act so we should see some more stock exchange movements and long time investment strategy changes for those players.

    Even if this does nothing in MSM, we should realize that we are a relatively small and extremely well informed intelligent group of people compared to the interests and knowledge of most journalists in this topic (Mats Lewan excepted of course ;-).

    So it wouldn’t surprise me if even this report isn’t enough to convince MSM to run the story. It still is a tainted topic and I suspect most journalists don’t:
    – believe the story as all “counter scientists” say it’s impossible;
    – are suppressed by their editors;
    – are afraid to run against popular opinion because of their career;
    – simply don’t do enough research (it is after all a difficult subject).

    • Stephen Taylor

      It remains important for Industrial Heat to endorse the very positive results.

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        Yes they should, but for whatever reasons they have been players on the background so far. I’m not convinced IH will come out in the open even after a very successful report unless MSM picks up the story.

        For now I’ve only seen statements meaning semantically nothing from them. Just some PR talk that does not contain any fact at all.

        • Stephen Taylor

          Industrial Heat have been careful in their communications for whatever ( normal business) reasons. Importantly, they made a point of stating they did not endorse any reports or statements by anyone without their specific acknowledgemet. Hopefully they can get comfortable with the report and the publicity. It is understandably confusing for us here in the spectator stands.

    • deleo77

      If it is a COP 20+ mainstream media will pick it up. One year of testing from a 3rd party referee with that COP would be newsworthy. Of course skeptics, the media, investors etc are going to go through this report with a fine tooth comb. IH said to only rely on data that comes from them. I have to believe that they are the one’s who will release the report, along with a press release.

      • SG

        Probably. But if they don’t, it will get out. Information wants to be let free. Too many people know about the existence of the report.

      • LarryJ

        This report will be disputed and refuted by the scientific mainstream regardless of its results and the media will not say boo without support from mainstream physicists. The only thing that will change public perception will be products in the market.

    • Bob Greenyer

      If the report is clearly positive and independent – or anyone replicates our results – there are several news reports ready to be printed.

      • Albert D. Kallal

        It hard to tell if this report will “fish” out the Financial Times and Popular Science articles – however, it might be “close” enough. (you probably have a better feel – since you been “feeding” these artciles like little Robbins with worms of info!)

        I suppose this report will “fish” out some news articles depending on who was the ERV?

        There ALWAYS going to be claims that the ERV is not, or was not independent, or he was duped! However, I think for the readers here, the most exciting part will be mention of the COP. Is it 12, or 70? I not yet convinced this report will spill into mainstream.

        A soild replication on your part likely can do as much if not MORE then this report!

        I hope the report will continue to inspire your work, your efforts, and your sharing of the LENR story. Can’t wait for your next cool run and experiment – that’s about the only exciting event after the ERV!

        (unless Rossi going to public demo a ecat-x running!)

        Have a super day – ok!

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

        • sam

          There is no way that they did a year of testing and invested a pile of money and not have a
          top notch EVR report.

          • Albert D. Kallal

            Absolutely!

            I accept it going to be a good report.

            However, due to NDA and security issues, then many details such as where the plant is, who used the plant, who paid for the input power etc. Etc. are likely to
            be withheld.

            So a secret plant in a secret location for a secret customer, with a secret un-known technology has some magic box that makes energy?
            You can see the problem here!

            So a first rate report with above restrictions on parties involved still gives rise to considerable speculation.

            At the end of the day, as I noted, I don’t think the ERV report will be some huge media event. However, for followers of LENR, the report is a boost.

            And depending on how independent the report “appears” then as such it should give the e-cat some welcome credibility, but this is not a mainstream event.

            And we should keep in mind we have no idea when the report is to be released – the 10 days is not a given, nor a solid statement.

            Regards,
            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        I agree, more “signal” replications and a positive report will give credit to the story.

        I really hope this will be the tipping point and logically it should be. However, I have thought before that MSM would go with the story. If you consider the fact that the main media is in the hand of just 3 to 5 owners, stories like these can be repressed. Eventually and certainly within the next 2 years (imho) the story and the technology will break through into the main public awareness, but I’m still not convinced this will be it.

        I do hope I’m wrong though and this will be the major break through 😉

        • Bob Tivnan

          This recent discussion about the ERV report gets me contemplating the importance of credibility. Here’s my take on the psychology of enthusiasts (such as myself). I crave credibility for Dr. Rossi because it will bring me one step closer to fullfilling the promises that I hold for the E-Cat. The popularity of ECW shows that I am not alone in the way this story has captivated our attention over the last few years.

          But, does acceptance in the court of public opinion really advance Rossi’s goal to create a new industry that supplants dirty fuels with this promising clean energy source? Who does Rossi need to convince in order to turn the tide? We know that Rossi has scoffed at the notion of getting science to give its stamp of approval, understanding the risk of repeating history ala Pons & Fleischmann. Hence, the decision was made to let the customer be the final say on whether the E-Cat could fulfill its promise. Rossi doesn’t need to win over the public or the media who feeds it. He needs OEMS to buy into his dream. Rossi needs to build credibility with industrial partners lIke IH, a company that exemplifies indifference to public approval. As much as we want the world to know that this is the next big thing, Rossi and his partners may be in no rush to see the new energy paradigm explode into the public consciousness. Building social or scientific credibility in the short term just may not be a priority for Doctor Rossi and IH. It’s industry that is being wooed.

          • Eyedoc

            Pretty good astrologer, huh?

          • LuFong

            As a nuclear process, LENR may indeed need strong public support (or at least understanding) to overcome public safety concerns and political issues.

            As for businesses, if this is real, it will be a modern day gold rush. I don’t think you have to worry about commercial hesitancy.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Atomic process.

          • Yes. If the COP is good we can start talking about High Energy Atomic Processes (HEAP), or High Energy Atomic Reactions (HEAR, to include ‘AR’). This is to take distance from the lower energy atomic reactions which take place between atoms and molecules e.g. while burning wood and oil.

          • radvar

            I would expect the report to increase R&D investment, visible or hidden. That’s the critical input that will drive the world-wide benefits of LENR.

            I fervently hope that Rossi is richly rewarded, in both money and personal satisfaction, for his effort and contributions.

            However, I don’t see any reason to think he will be more than the spearhead for the coming energy revolution.

          • Rossi et al. only need to convince one or more corporate-level businesses to involve themselves in cold fusion – even tentatively – in order to succeed. Probability and the ‘soft’ evidence seems to indicate that this has probably already happened, but even if it hasn’t, the confirmed results of the pilot test would make it happen, as fear of losing out spreads.

            Public awareness will probably be avoided for as long as possible, and the potential impact minimised as much as possible when news does begin to leak out of industrial circles.

      • Sanjeev

        Probably you know some of the msm journalists personally, but I agree, there are some publicly visible msm journalists who will publish the news. They have done that in the past.

    • Sanjeev

      – Strongly decreased customer energy bill (this should be the strongest LENR evidence available ever delivered (IMHO));
      I personally think the same. However, do not underestimate the skeptics !
      There will be some people who will say that Rossi, IH, customer, ERV AND the power company are in the same bed. It takes just MS Word and a laptop to cook up a good report with a fake electricity bill attached.

      So I guess the names of the people involved will be a stronger social evidence. If they have a reputation to lose, we will know.

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    So the report is very positive. I think we all assumed that to be the case.

    I presume the following:

    – The EVR will report a nuclear origin as explanation for the delivered energy;
    – COP possibly 20+;
    – Contractual obligations by Rossi have been fulfilled;
    – Strongly decreased customer energy bill (this should be the strongest LENR evidence available ever delivered (IMHO));
    – Report will be published within 10 days by Rossi or IH/Customer;
    – Fine as the report may turn out, the real target will be the e-cat X; this is the holy grail (electricity, light and heat) and will probably the end product we will eventually buy. The quarks are derivatives of the same technique.
    – The endgame has begun: if MainStream Media picks this up, players in this field will be forced to come out into the open with their own products / results. If this still doesn’t get picked up by the MSM, at least the hidden big players such as those in the oil and energy industries will have to act so we should see some more stock exchange movements and long time investment strategy changes for those players.

    Even if this does nothing in MSM, we should realize that we are a relatively small and extremely well informed intelligent group of people compared to the interests and knowledge of most journalists in this topic (Mats Lewan excepted of course ;-).

    So it wouldn’t surprise me if even this report isn’t enough to convince MSM to run the story. It still is a tainted topic and I suspect most journalists don’t:
    – believe the story as all “counter scientists” say it’s impossible;
    – are suppressed by their editors;
    – are afraid to run against popular opinion because of their career;
    – simply don’t do enough research (it is after all a difficult subject).

    • Stephen Taylor

      It remains important for Industrial Heat to endorse the very positive results.

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        Yes they should, but for whatever reasons they have been players on the background so far. I’m not convinced IH will come out in the open even after a very successful report unless MSM picks up the story.

        For now I’ve only seen statements meaning semantically nothing from them. Just some PR talk that does not contain any fact at all.

        • Stephen Taylor

          Industrial Heat have been careful in their communications for whatever ( normal business) reasons. Importantly, they made a point of stating they did not endorse any reports or statements by anyone without their specific acknowledgemet. Hopefully they can get comfortable with the report and the publicity. It is understandably confusing for us here in the spectator stands.

    • deleo77

      If it is a COP 20+ mainstream media will pick it up. One year of testing from a 3rd party referee with that COP would be newsworthy. Of course skeptics, the media, investors etc are going to go through this report with a fine tooth comb. IH said to only rely on data that comes from them. I have to believe that they are the one’s who will release the report, along with a press release.

      • SG

        Probably. But if they don’t, it will get out. Information wants to be let free. Too many people know about the existence of the report.

      • LarryJ

        This report will be disputed and refuted by the scientific mainstream regardless of its results and the media will not say boo without support from mainstream physicists. The only thing that will change public perception will be products in the market.

    • Bob Greenyer

      If the report is clearly positive and independent – or anyone replicates our results – there are several news reports ready to be printed.

      • Albert D. Kallal

        It hard to tell if this report will “fish” out the Financial Times and Popular Science articles – however, it might be “close” enough. (you probably have a better feel – since you been “feeding” these artciles like little Robbins with worms of info!)

        I suppose this report will “fish” out some news articles depending on who was the ERV?

        There ALWAYS going to be claims that the ERV is not, or was not independent, or he was duped! However, I think for the readers here, the most exciting part will be mention of the COP. Is it 12, or 70? I not yet convinced this report will spill into mainstream.

        A soild replication on your part likely can do as much if not MORE then this report!

        I hope the report will continue to inspire your work, your efforts, and your sharing of the LENR story. Can’t wait for your next cool run and experiment – that’s about the only exciting event after the ERV!

        (unless Rossi going to public demo a ecat-x running!)

        Have a super day – ok!

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

        • sam

          There is no way that they did a year of testing and invested a pile of money and not have a
          top notch EVR report.

          • Albert D. Kallal

            Absolutely!

            I accept it going to be a good report.

            However, due to NDA and security issues, then many details such as where the plant is, who used the plant, who paid for the input power etc. Etc. are likely to
            be withheld.

            So a secret plant in a secret location for a secret customer, with a secret un-known technology has some magic box that makes energy?
            You can see the problem here!

            So a first rate report with above restrictions on parties involved still gives rise to considerable speculation.

            At the end of the day, as I noted, I don’t think the ERV report will be some huge media event. However, for followers of LENR, the report is a boost.

            And depending on how independent the report “appears” then as such it should give the e-cat some welcome credibility, but this is not a mainstream event.

            And we should keep in mind we have no idea when the report is to be released – the 10 days is not a given, nor a solid statement.

            Regards,
            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • Guest

            Depends on who “they” really is… If IH were in fact in control of the test then I agree with you.

            But if Rossi was running the show on his own (IH has never actually confirmed the test in any statement I’m able to find), then there could easily be issues with both who the ERV is and who the customer is…

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        I agree, more “signal” replications and a positive report will give credit to the story.

        I really hope this will be the tipping point and logically it should be. However, I have thought before that MSM would go with the story. If you consider the fact that the main media is in the hand of just 3 to 5 owners, stories like these can be repressed. Eventually and certainly within the next 2 years (imho) the story and the technology will break through into the main public awareness, but I’m still not convinced this will be it.

        I do hope I’m wrong though and this will be the major break through 😉

      • Sanjeev

        Probably you know some of the msm journalists personally, but I agree, there are some publicly visible msm journalists who will publish the news. They have done that in the past.

    • Sanjeev

      – Strongly decreased customer energy bill (this should be the strongest LENR evidence available ever delivered (IMHO));
      I personally think the same. However, do not underestimate the skeptics !
      There will be some people who will say that Rossi, IH, customer, ERV AND the power company are in the same bed. It takes just MS Word and a laptop to cook up a good report with a fake electricity bill attached.

      So I guess the names of the people involved will be a stronger social evidence. If they have a reputation to lose, we will know.

  • oldrolledgold

    Rossi said that his technology had to be integrated with current energy tech or be killed (from memory).When the report comes out showing the COP and a rough rate of adoption can be ascertained.Will this allow a rational price for oil to be found?During market panics things tend to overshoot but if integration is expected,will governments impose a price level?

    • LilyLover

      Oil is dead. The report will precipitate the secondary decline and even the “derivative sickers” will jump the titanic. Right now it is the speculative upper end. When certainty shows up – oil will close on to zero. Rational oil price is negative i.e. $-180/bbl for gathering and mitigating scattered pollution and marginal lung attacks.

      BTW Thank you Dr. Rossi!!

      • AdrianAshfield

        Not so. Do you really think all the cars and trucks will be scrapped overnight?

        • invient

          The replacement rate is 8 years for the average first world fleet of autos.

          That is under normal conditions. A new technology, disruptive and with so many benefits, I think the government could incentivize and speed this up to 2-4 years. Fossil fuels must be left in the ground and this is the best technology to do that.

          • Angry SQUIRREL!!

            nope. 1st someone has to create a proof of concept. Then it has to go through vigorous testing, then it will only be available in limited quantities and will be very expensive. I say within the next 20 years it will be available to the masses.

          • Hi all

            In reply to Angry SQUIRREL

            The concept is already proven, it is called an electric car every major car company is already prepped for this. We already discussed this on this site. They do not need to do anything more than link up a pile of quark drives to provide the electrics.

            Kind regards walker

          • Omega Z

            Cars are structurally designed and built with specific drive trains in mind. Most of which have been around for decades, but can still take several years to bring a new vehicle to market. According to a car manufacturer(Discussed with Rossi), it will take 10 plus years for a new technology. Angry SQUIRREL is within reality.

          • Hi all

            In reply to Omega Z on the matter of “drive trains ”

            The drive train of an electric car is an electric motor. The fuel is electricity.

            That electricity can and does come from multiple sources:

            Batteries.
            The petrol or diesel motor of a hybrid.
            Hydrogen fuel cell
            Heck even solar

            Where the electricity comes from makes not a jot of difference to an electric drive train.

            For the car manufacturers the electricity source is as trivial as changing a battery.

            People can, will and have done it themselves
            A small electric generator using fossil fuel in the back of a RAV 4, or in the engine compartment of a hybrid by throwing away the superfluous and inefficient conventional combustion engine and gears and drive train, direct electric drive to each wheel supplied by electrics is faster and way more efficient.

            The more important thing is how long it takes for people to decide to replace their car, this was discussed elsewhere. Most fleets get changed over in about 8 years. With a government support like the scrappage scheme it could be done in four years.

            Will entrenched players attempt to slow down adoption with lobbied regulation and taxes of course. That is the purpose of elected bodies their laws and taxes, what you thought it was all about the public good?

            Then why do they spend so much money on lobbying and complex bribery structures in representative, democracy; such as thousands of dollar ticket speaking luncheons, boxes of never to be read, signed special edition books ghost written for politicians on the company tax deductible training budget? Yep, you the tax payer pays the bribe.

            And then there are all the non executive directorships in subcontractors of the companies that benefited from the laws a politician voted on, sometimes they are traded between the politicians. The sponsored jobs on NGOs and public bodies with massive salaries attached. What you thought all those positions on charity boards were paid for by donations in tins? No it is all about laundering the bribe.

            Kind Regards walker

        • LarryJ

          Stocks and commodities are generally priced based on what the market thinks they will be worth in the future and not on what they are actually worth today. Markets tend to be forward looking. That is why a company that shows current strong earnings with a poor outlook will take a big price hit.

          Right now there is a glut of oil and the still relatively high price is based on what the market thinks it will be worth in the future. If the market view of the future price of oil changes then the price could be marked down very quickly.

          • Omega Z

            The price of stocks will reflect future value and profitability. The price of oil will reflect supply/demand in current time. The stock price will decline overtime(Wont happen quickly) as it shrinks down, but oil could still see $100 a barrel if supply doesn’t meet demand.
            IF/When LENR becomes viable in vehicles, it will take about 10 years for those vehicles to come to market. Another 20 years to replace the 1.5 billion vehicles that will likely be on the road at that time.

          • I agree that even if the transition from oil use was heavily underway, the oil price could go way up OR down depending on the balance between production and demand.

            where I disagree with you is about oil stock prices. those could go down in a hurry and stay down once the writing is clearly on the wall even if profits were still decent. this is because much of the asset values on the oil company balance sheets (oil reserves) are soon to seen as worthless stranded assets. LENR might help accelerate the writing of that text in the mind of investors. EVs certainly will once 200+ mile $35k models proliferate.

            Need a real world example? look at how fast coal stocks lost 90+% of there value in a just a few years or so.

        • pangoo

          The price of oil will take a big hit but eventually level out to its true value. Fueling a gradually declining oil based transportation system and its conversion to plastics.

          • Omega Z

            Oil will still be tied to supply/demand. Currently, most Oil entities are drilling new wells at a much slower rate then old wells are depleting. Prices will always find an equilibrium which will be at cost plus profit. It will take decades to replace oil use.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Very interesting, pressure is now on IH, they will hold a press conference or Rossi will release report and IH might lose control of publicity.

    • Bob Tivnan

      So who does the ERV work for? Did IH hire the ERV as a condition for their investment in Rossi? If that’s the case then Rossi doesn’t have the authority to release the report before IH. It would be a breach of contract.

      • US_Citizen71

        How can you say that have you read their contract?

        • Bob Tivnan

          US, I am not saying it is so- it was a question. I am suggesting that the ERV works for somebody and it seem likely to me that IH made the move to protect their investors, which would be a very prudent business decision. However, I’m aware that Rossi could be holding the cards here. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out in the next few weeks.

          • US_Citizen71

            Thanks for the clarification. I think the ERV may work for all three, IH, LC and the customer. A third party judge would be very helpful in determining fulfillment of contract on something like the 1 MW plant. I also think that a clause for any party to release the report with notice after X days might be part of the contract as well. There could be advantages to any one of the parties to have it released. The customer can claim green energy, LC/Rossi gets vindication and IH gets a selling point.

      • Omega Z

        5- who paid his work and all his expenses ?
        5- fifty-fifty Leonardo Corporation and Industrial Heat

        It is a joint decision.

        AR: I hope that Industrial Heat and I will be able to release the report publicly in the near future.

        • Bob Tivnan

          Well, that answers that! Thanks Omega Z.

  • William D. Fleming

    Extremely exciting news!

    • winebuff67

      Does this mean mats symposium is on?

      • Frank Acland

        Mats said the report has to be ‘clearly positive’ for him to go ahead with it. I guess he’ll wait to read the report before he makes that decision. Rossi has read the full version, we may not get to see everything that he sees.

        • sam

          I am very pleased with the results.
          Coming in loud and clear.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Very interesting, pressure is now on IH, they will hold a press conference or Rossi will release report and IH might lose control of publicity, I hope their publicity agent is ready.

    • Bob Tivnan

      So who does the ERV work for? Did IH hire the ERV as a condition for their investment in Rossi? If that’s the case then Rossi doesn’t have the authority to release the report before IH. It would be a breach of contract.

      • Guest

        I’d go further. If Rossi releases the report and IH does not acknowledge or support it, then I think it becomes clear the ERV works for Rossi not IH. Otherwise I think you’re absolutely right that it would be a breach of contract.

        And if it turns out that the ERV works for Rossi, not IH, I think we’re back in credibility limbo land unless the ERV itself provides that indisputable credibility.

        • Omega Z

          5- who paid his work and all his expenses ?
          5- fifty-fifty Leonardo Corporation and Industrial Heat

          It is a joint decision.

      • US_Citizen71

        How can you say that have you read their contract?

        • Bob Tivnan

          US, I am not saying it is so- it was a question. I am suggesting that the ERV works for somebody and it seems likely to me that IH made the move to protect their investors, which would be a very prudent business decision. However, I’m aware that Rossi could be holding the cards here. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out in the next few weeks.

          • US_Citizen71

            Thanks for the clarification. I think the ERV may work for all three, IH, LC and the customer. A third party judge would be very helpful in determining fulfillment of contract on something like the 1 MW plant. I also think that a clause for any party to release the report with notice after X days might be part of the contract as well. There could be advantages to any one of the parties to have it released. The customer can claim green energy, LC/Rossi gets vindication and IH gets a selling point.

      • Omega Z

        5- who paid his work and all his expenses ?
        5- fifty-fifty Leonardo Corporation and Industrial Heat

        It is a joint decision.

        AR: I hope that Industrial Heat and I will be able to release the report publicly in the near future.

        • Bob Tivnan

          Well, that answers that! Thanks Omega Z.

  • William D. Fleming

    Extremely exciting news!

    • winebuff67

      Does this mean mats symposium is on?

      • Frank Acland

        Mats said the report has to be ‘clearly positive’ for him to go ahead with it. I guess he’ll wait to read the report before he makes that decision. Rossi has read the full version, we may not get to see everything that he sees.

        • sam

          I am very pleased with the results.
          Coming in loud and clear.

  • Mike403

    If we wait we may help ‘bury’ this. It (New Fire) needs a bit of ‘blowing’ to help it to ‘catch’ !

  • clovis ray

    Congrats, Dr. Rossi, and all those that helped to get the E-CAT, to the finish line, or maybe we should call it a birthday, and boys and girls, we did it, we stayed the course ,we toed the line.
    We kept the faith, we dared to dream, my lord said, ask and it will be given, now I wonder how we will handle, this great gift.

  • Brokeeper

    A resounding CRAAACK!!! is heard from the Denial Dam.

  • Brokeeper

    A resounding CRAAACK!!! is heard from the Denial Dam.

    • clovis ray

      yep,

  • Veblin

    Industrial Heat Goes Cold on Rossi
    March 29, 2016 – By Steven B. Krivit – Sssssssssss
    http://news.newenergytimes.net/2016/03/29/industrial-heat-goes-cold-on-rossi/

    • Krivit is still kicking right up to the end.

      • psi2u2

        You gotta give him points for not giving up easily.

    • LukeDC

      Ill tell you why he didn’t get a reply.
      It’s called a server side Exchange rule.
      “Move all email from newenergytimes.net” to “Junk”
      Would you think for a second that loon would get a reply from an entity that had dumped cash onto Rossi?

    • Teemu Soilamo

      When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing you should do is stop digging.

      • NT

        Yeah, Krivit is in over his head and the walls are caving in…His days are now numbered…

    • LuFong

      IH ignores the troll Krivit and he takes IH’s refusal to answer his questions as confirmation. Krivit’s typical post is to intersperse facts with insinuations and negative remarks about Rossi. This is not journalism worth even reading. While I think the next 2 months will hold some negative surprises, I think Krivit is about to go down.

      • Guest

        He also cites his own writing as if it were confirmation from another party…

        • US_Citizen71

          Maybe he has split personalities?

          • psi2u2

            Ok, I will here quash the rumor that Mary Yugo is the real Steven Krivit.

    • US_Citizen71

      ‘Darden and Vaughn won’t talk to me so that must mean that they are breaking up with Rossi.’ – If I was anyone involved in LENR R&D, Krivit the Snake would be the last person I talked to about anything including the weather.

      • SG

        Based on my observance of Krivit over the years, he is the last person I’d want to talk to period–whether involved with LENR R&D or not. He doesn’t come across as a particularly pleasant person.

      • psi2u2

        Such logic. Such confidence. Such overweening hubris in a small bottle.

        • Yeah! And this Krivit Guy is a “reliable scientific source” for wikipedias negative LENR article….what a shame now, when EVERYONE can clearly see that Krivit sells his own opinion as “news”…

          • psi2u2

            This is typical for a “reliable source” on wikipedia on a controversial subject. I have written a couple dozen plus articles on a prominent humanities topic in peer reviewed journals. There is a gang at Wikipedia who routinely scrubs articles related to this topic. I am on an apparently permanent topic ban for trying to edit articles on which by any reasoned standard I’m a work expert. Wikipedia is great for anything already settled or where disagreements are only ideological. For something like LENR, it will be the last place to get it right.

    • Omega Z

      Industrial Heat Goes Cold on Steven B. Krivit.

      They want to maintain a healthy distance from him as they are WELL AWARE of his shenanigans.

      • bachcole

        I notice that Google News IS publishing Krivit’s articles regularly and nothing positive. Another bunch of ********* setting themselves up for a really big fall.

  • Veblin

    Industrial Heat Goes Cold on Rossi
    March 29, 2016 – By Steven B. Krivit – Sssssssssss
    http://news.newenergytimes.net/2016/03/29/industrial-heat-goes-cold-on-rossi/

    • Krivit is still kicking right up to the end.

      • psi2u2

        You gotta give him points for not giving up easily.

    • LukeDC

      Ill tell you why he didn’t get a reply.
      It’s called a server side Exchange rule.
      “Move all email from newenergytimes.net” to “Junk”
      Would you think for a second that loon would get a reply from an entity that had dumped cash onto Rossi?

    • hereandthere

      Because IH/Cherokee simply did not respond to his accusing questions, Krivit assumes that means they have parted ways with Rossi? What exquisite logic…..!

    • Teemu Soilamo

      When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing you should do is stop digging.

      • NT

        Yeah, Krivit is in over his head and the walls are caving in…His days are now numbered…

    • US_Citizen71

      ‘Darden and Vaughn won’t talk to me so that must mean that they are breaking up with Rossi.’ – If I was involved in LENR R&D, Krivit the Snake would be the last person I talked to about anything including the weather.

      • SG

        Based on my observance of Krivit over the years, he is the last person I’d want to talk to period–whether involved with LENR R&D or not. He doesn’t come across as a particularly pleasant person.

      • psi2u2

        Such logic. Such confidence. Such overweening hubris in a small bottle.

        • Yeah! And this Krivit Guy is a “reliable scientific source” for wikipedias negative LENR article….what a shame now, when EVERYONE can clearly see that Krivit sells his own opinion as “news”…

          • psi2u2

            This is typical for a “reliable source” on wikipedia on a controversial subject. I have written a couple dozen plus articles on a prominent humanities topic in peer reviewed journals. There is a gang at Wikipedia who routinely scrubs articles related to this topic. I am on an apparently permanent topic ban for trying to edit articles on which by any reasoned standard I’m a work expert. Wikipedia is great for anything already settled or where disagreements are only ideological. For something like LENR, it will be the last place to get it right.

    • Byron McDonald

      From a Brian Josephson post on LENR Forum “See July 2008 article tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/articles/NET1.html in regard to Krivit’s accuracy and motives.”

    • Omega Z

      Industrial Heat Goes Cold on Steven B. Krivit.

      They want to maintain a healthy distance from him as they are WELL AWARE of his shenanigans.

      • bachcole

        I notice that Google News IS publishing Krivit’s articles regularly and nothing positive. Another bunch of ********* setting themselves up for a really big fall.

  • LION

    Bob Greenyer said 2 months ago, that he had spent several hours in August 2013 with Clive Cookson at the LONDON FT head office- so they will be following this development and networking. I bet they will run a story as soon as it is prudent to do so, there is kudos in breaking a BIG story.

  • LION

    Bob Greenyer said 2 months ago, that he had spent several hours in August 2013 with Clive Cookson at the LONDON FT head office- so they will be following this development and networking. I bet they will run a story as soon as it is prudent to do so, there is kudos in breaking a BIG story.

  • clovis ray

    GAME OVER

    • Stephen Taylor

      Yogi said: “It ain’t over ’till it’s over”. I hear a soprano warming up but I’ll wait to see if she’s gonna sing.

      • NT

        Yes, my wine glass was broken – ha!

        • Stephen Taylor

          Already smashed it in the hearth? Several of mine are in there with yours and still we wait, but warm and smiling, no?

          • NT

            Yeah, enjoyed the moments and wine anyway – glasses are pretty cheap at the dollar store. Lets hope this one is the real thing that puts LENR in the mainstream…

    • roseland67

      Just starting😎

  • PappyYokum

    Odd source: rumored COP of 20 in report.
    I read this a coupled days ago.
    “One
    of the biggest limits on our freedom is the limits of our current
    energy technology, but we are poised at the precipice of great
    breakthroughs. The Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project set out several
    years ago to reclaim the reputations of cold fusion pioneers Fleischmann
    and Ponn by pushing the burgeoning science of low energy nuclear
    reactions (LENR) forward in a crowdfunded process they call “live open
    science”. They lovingly call the clean and abundant energy that is about
    to be unleashed into the world the “New Fire”. They recently had a
    breakthrough in their experiments where excess heat was exactly
    correlated with gamma activity, and they published their recipe. There
    are many replication attempts currently underway. But we shouldn’t have
    to wait long to be amazed as they are still several years behind Andrea
    Rossi and his E-cat, who will be releasing a third party validation of a
    commercial 1 megawatt E-cat installation that ran continuously for a
    year this month. The leaked rumors from the copy of the report that has
    circulated to investors is that it maintained a COP of 20 which means it
    produced 20 times more energy that was input into it, all from tiny
    amounts of nickel, lithium, and hydrogen. We are truly at the dawn of a
    new energy revolution that will make things that were once impossible
    quite possible!”
    http://www.tillamookcountypioneer.net/2016-aries-soul-forecast/

    • Albert D. Kallal

      And you have a link as to where you read this rumor?

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • PappyYokum

        The link is included at the bottom of the post.

    • Eyedoc

      Pretty good astrologer, huh?

    • Lightning Mike

      Ha! Lol. That was from a monthly astrology column I write for a local news site. Just repeating rumors from this site….getting excited though! Might try to write up something special once we get the report. At least I know I can get something posted that will reach this little corner of the Oregon Coast. Hopefully this will bring a big sea change in the media coverage though 🙂

  • Frank Acland

    Good idea. I added the word ‘version’.

  • Stephen Taylor

    Yogi said: “It ain’t over ’till it’s over”. I hear a soprano warming up but I’ll wait to see if she’s gonna sing.

    • NT

      Yes, my wine glass was broken – ha!

      • Stephen Taylor

        Already smashed it in the hearth? Several of mine are in there with yours and still we wait, but warm and smiling, no?

        • NT

          Yeah, enjoyed the moments and wine anyway – glasses are pretty cheap at the dollar store. Lets hope this one is the real thing that puts LENR in the mainstream…

  • Albert D. Kallal

    And you have a link as to where you read this rumor?

    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada

    • PappyYokum

      The link is included at the bottom of the post.

  • Bob Tivnan

    This recent discussion about the ERV report gets me contemplating the importance of credibility. Here’s my take on the psychology of enthusiasts (such as myself). I crave credibility for Dr. Rossi because it will bring me one step closer to fullfilling the promises that I hold for the E-Cat. The popularity of ECW shows that I am not alone in the way this story has captivated our attention over the last few years.

    But, does acceptance in the court of public opinion really advance Rossi’s goal to create a new industry that supplants dirty fuels with this promising clean energy source? Who does Rossi need to convince in order to turn the tide? We know that Rossi has scoffed at the notion of getting science to give its stamp of approval, understanding the risk of repeating history ala Pons & Fleischmann. Hence, the decision was made to let the customer be the final say on whether the E-Cat could fulfill its promise. Rossi doesn’t need to win over the public or the media who feeds it. He needs OEMS to buy into his dream. Rossi needs to build credibility with industrial partners lIke IH, a company that exemplifies indifference to public approval. As much as we want the world to know that this is the next big thing, Rossi and his partners may be in no rush to see the new energy paradigm explode into the public consciousness. Building social or scientific credibility in the short term just may not be a priority for Doctor Rossi and IH. It’s industry that is being wooed.

    • bachcole

      Good analysis, except that you have a few unreal mutually exclusive categories. The public is not separate from industry is not separate from the peanut gallery, etc. “Industry” is married to people in the “public”. People in industry listen to television and neighbors and friends. The more widely we trumpet this reality the more that industry will take notice and investigate. I suspect that most people in industry, most captains of industry, have never even heard of cold fusion and if they have they actively disbelieve it. The more that they hear about it the more they may take a second look.

    • Rossi et al. only need to convince one or more corporate-level businesses to involve themselves in cold fusion – even tentatively – in order to succeed. Probability and the ‘soft’ evidence seems to indicate that this has probably already happened, but even if it hasn’t, the confirmed results of the pilot test would make it happen, as fear of losing out spreads.

      Public awareness will probably be avoided for as long as possible, and the potential impact minimised as much as possible when news does begin to leak out of industrial circles.

      • bachcole

        Very nice analysis.

  • Frank Acland

    Brian Josephson wrote on the LENR Forum: “An email from Rossi indicates that the report will be released in 5–10 days.”

    • LuFong

      He could be talking about Rossi’s synopsis. The release of the ERV report would be fantastic.

      • Mats002

        Nice to know a little about the ERV person, would be interesting to know if he has support from a team behind and also a characterization of the company he represent. Is it a one-man company or a well reputed company?

        • I hope the latter.

          All other “one-man”-things would be a hard slap in our faces 🙁

          • LarryJ

            It is not a slap in the face. It is just business doing what it does best which is bring products and services to the market. Once that happens then the revolution begins. We are still in the “laying the foundation” phase. All we believers need to know is that Rossi says the report was positive. Rossi Says has been working like a charm for years and I expect it to continue doing so. People who still think Rossi is a scammer are delusional.

            Or as someone here once stated. The lineup of experts Rossi has fooled has become embarrassingly long.

          • Karl Venter

            Come on APCO
            Give us your best opening salvo
            You are after all the 2nd biggest privately owned PR firm

          • artefact

            Something epic for the history books please!

          • Dods

            So with a positive report on the horizon, 10 day’s are all thats left for the scientific community to save face.

            Fear, Agenda, Suppression, Ego is how the world will begin to wake up and see you.

            Not a FASE worth saving and no amount of fall guy’s will put the fire out.

            Lets all hope its a fraud for the sake of science as there will be no place to go from here except to reboot it.

          • MasterBlaster7

            Yah know…who wants to take bets?

            That when this report is released, you will hear noting but crickets from the MSM and MSS.

            I’m really curious to see if this is going to be the true inflection point.

            The way this world turns….I give it 50/50.

          • Dods

            Similar odds to what i was thinking as well. Still its got to be an uncomfortable feeling sat in that office right now wondering if its the heating that’s up to much making you feel dizzy or a foreboding sense that all is not right.

          • MasterBlaster7

            You know what I bet it is going to be like….

            I don’t know if you have seen “The Big Short” or not…it’s an awesome movie…go see it…but….

            I bet it will be like (spoiler) in the movie when the 8% is reached and the entire bond market is collapsing and all the ratings agencies are still marking everything as triple AAA. And all of the ones in the right and in the know (us) are like WTF…and one of the guys is like…”it could be that we are living in a completely fraudulent system”….then in a few weeks it visibly collapses…after all of the insider trading of the big’s to extract themselves “fraudulently” from a terrible situation that they were in.

            I bet it will be like that. I bet this report sets a fire inside the house of cards built by MSM and MSS….it will be a while till we see the collapse.

          • Exactly. Only difference is that the energy market is more liquid than the CDS market Dr Burry was betting on, whare Goldman/Deutsche were pricing the swaps with monumental spreads, before the crash was a fact and they themselves had sold the long side to the taxpayers … (and this guy Lehman … )

            Something like that is going on in the oil bond market right now, where Goldman and his friends are offloading $100 bn or so of junk bonds to unsuspecting new shareholders … They will keep rumors alive about OPEC talks of production cuts etc. to boost oil price until this is done. This is a well rehearsed game … 😉

          • MasterBlaster7

            Interesting. I was talking more/kinda apples and oranges with MSM and MSS compared to markets…not a direct market to market comparison.

            But, I don’t know. I have heard theories like this before. But, I don’t know if the market Big’s are trading on the success of LENR just yet. I mean, if “The Big Short” taught us anything is that big money is stupid. Now, I think eventually something like you suggest will come about, but I am skeptical as to if the Big’s are in the know or in the care about LENR. I could be completely wrong, but I think they are all still looking the other way and that all of the oil moves are based on the roller coaster reality of what is going on in the oil world; outside of LENR. Again, I could be completely wrong but that is my gut feeling.

          • Nope. Goldman is NOT stupid. They came out on top last time, and they will do it again. And they certainly watch LENR; Blackrock even said so officially. And they have been divesting oil field assets as much as they can together with Big Oilcos. And even Rockefeller are selling all Exxon assets. They pretense it is for ethical climate reasons …

            Sure …

            Of course they sell because they do not believe in the fossil fuel future. And it is not because of solar … (they are not buying those stocks)

          • NT

            What are they buying into with all those billions of sold fossil fuel assets? The money has to be going somewhere…

          • Mostly USD cash in long and short term bonds. Followed by blue chip bonds and stocks in selected sectors like consumer goods, utilities (the grid will live on), tech in general. Picture below show some markets (risk adjusted) since summer 2014.

          • cashmemorz

            Not only are they looking at E-CAT World but also at the other big players in LENR such as the GeNIE Reactor that uses raw uranium ore for a 50 year long charge time, and the SUGAR aircraft of NASA that uses LENR. But, then what. The big players know how to average out or mitigate such threats by investing in the most likely to succeed using diversified portfoilos. Their money managers are actually the ones in the front line of knowledge and are doing the hard number crunching for them but its for the big players benefit.

          • psi2u2

            This is sensible enough, but how do you interpret Sifferkol’s graphic evidence to the contrary. He has correlated significant drops in oil over the last several years with major LENR announcements. Is this just a coincidence?

          • Dods

            Parellels to movies I got a good one.

            Your Ruby Red Slippers are your first piece of evidence that spurred you to take on this adventure. The yellow brick road is the timeline with all its different forks that have tried to mislead you along your way. The tin man, scarecrow and lion are the hero scientists that want redemption also and have helped you along this journey. The witches there are plenty of names to which people can label them. The ERV report will be the curtain flung back to reveal the new reality behind. You my friend have been living as modern day Dorothy and Toto is your dog you wouldn’t want to go on a walk with him.

            Tell me this does not ring bells with anyone? lol

          • Brokeeper

            Good, maybe its time to expose all the dirt in the house to be cleaned and dumped into the white collar trash prisons.

          • Omega Z

            Should the market is collapse so goes the economy so goes LENR.

          • jousterusa

            Perhaps not when they are trying to preserve some issue of self-interest. But they are frequently ethical on behalf of clients, who sometimes wish they were not, and never tire of pointing out their ethical decision-making in a given matter, often amid great tedium on the listener’s part..

          • Guru Khalsa

            Why we may not see the Report for 3 months at least. I hope I am wrong but:

            IH seems to be in charge of producing the 1 MW low temp Ecat and Rossi the EcatX. But it may not be in IH’s best interest to publish the report before they have a product to sell. The first reaction to such a report by the public may be ‘show me the product’. Rossi wants to mass produce the EcatX and impact the market quickly. This will not work if the Ecat is not a mature product, a product recall at this point would be a disaster. IH may be thinking along similar lines.

            Rossi has just finished a year sitting in a container nursing his fledgling Ecat, and it seemed from the sidelines that it was touch and go till the end. My take is that plant is not ready for prime time but the basic technology has been validated. Hence there needs to be an Ecat 1MW plant second generation and maybe even a 3rd gen and it will need to be tested before production. My guess on the minimum time needed is 3 months or longer.

            IH seems to be taking a very cautious approach. Remember this statement from IH … ‘there is a long and continuing pattern of premature proclamations in the LENR sector. … society and the industry suffer when results are promoted and claims are made without rigorous verification and precise measurement … any claims made about technologies in our portfolio should only be relied upon if affirmed by Industrial Heat and backed by reputable third parties who have verified our results in repeated experiments.’

            http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/03/10/industrial-heat-makes-statement-regarding-lenr-industry-developments/

            It is probably in IH’s best interest, regardless of what we want, to want until it is sure it has a rock solid product before it allows the full report to be released. Sorry for the not so upbeat projections.

            My hope is Rossi is allowed to tell us the COP and other details, and something more than the standard line: cop > 6.

          • Brent Buckner

            You wrote: “IH seems to be in charge of producing the 1 MW low temp Ecat and Rossi the EcatX.”

            As I have, Rossi has told us that:
            o IH has exclusive rights in various territories for manufacturing and selling *both* the low temperature E-Cat and the E-Cat X; and
            o Leonardo is *choosing* to manufacture and market only the E-Cat X in other territories, but does have rights in those territories respective of the low temperature E-Cat.

          • Guru Khalsa

            That is also my understanding.

          • psi2u2

            Not upbeat, but well reasoned. Hopefully you are wrong, but you give good reasons why there could be a delay.

        • Gerard McEk

          Yes, that question was not asked, a pity!

        • LarryJ

          That information is only relevant if the investors deem it relevant. I wouldn’t be surprised if the customer and the potential investors were asked to approve the ERV prior to his being retained. There seems to be a general impression that this report is supposed to convince the world of the reality of cold fusion but that simply is not the case. Only products in the market will do that. A lot of money is about to be spent and the justification of that expenditure is the purpose of this report. Rossi said he could hardly wait to talk to the robotics people tomorrow. I expect he will be placing a large order.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      Thank you for sharing this. The “original” text Rossi used was un-clear. This sounds far more direct.

  • Frank Acland

    Brian Josephson wrote on the LENR Forum: “An email from Rossi indicates that the report will be released in 5–10 days.”

    • Albert D. Kallal

      Thank you for sharing this. The “original” text Rossi used was un-clear. This sounds far more direct.

  • psi2u2

    “May God help us for the hard work waiting for us all.

    Warm Regards…”

    You see, that, right there, is a good example of why I never bought the “Andrea Rossi as scammer” story.

    • Teemu Soilamo

      Because scammers never use religion to advance their cause? Come on. Obviously, if this is a scam, it is a masterful one and every single aspect including the aforementioned one will have been meticulously planted into Rossi’s persona.

      • psi2u2

        Not at all. This is a typical pseudo-skeptical misinterpretation. I refer to Rossi’s mention of the fact, that for him at least, a positive report is only the precondition for working even harder to accomplish his goals. Were this an isolated incident, I might think nothing of it, but I’ve closely followed many of Rossi’s statements for some time. Example: “What you see as success I translate as responsibility.”

        As you yourself suggest, Teemu, “”obviously, if this is a scam, it is a masterful one…” So actually we agree. I didn’t say it couldn’t be a scam, I said that this sort of statement by Rossi is among the many indications to me that it is not. Hopefully that is now clearer.

  • psi2u2

    “May God help us for the hard work waiting for us all.

    Warm Regards…”

    You see, that, right there, is a good example of why I never bought the “Andrea Rossi as scammer” story.

    • Teemu Soilamo

      Because scammers never use religion to advance their cause? Come on. Obviously, if this is a scam, it is a masterful one and every single aspect including the aforementioned one will have been meticulously planted into Rossi’s persona.

      • bachcole

        I doubt that psi2u2 is referring to religion. He is pointing, I think, to future difficult times for Rossi. A scammer would tell us that once you give him your money, all of your problems would be over.

        Your mention of persona has merit. The really whacked out scammers like the Heaven’s Gate whack-pair or Jonestown psychotically believe their scam. But Rossi’s E-Cat has been verified several times. So that theory doesn’t work.

      • bachcole

        The use of the word “God” is often due to emotional intensity. Like when you stub your toe badly and you yell “Jesus H. Ph’cking Christ”. So, emotional intensity plus future hard work along with a lot of other similar context adds up to someone who does not seem to be a scammer. I believed that Rossi was a truthful person from the very get go.

        It is just about being able to read context or gestalt. You either have it or you don’t.

      • psi2u2

        Not at all. This is a typical pseudo-skeptical misinterpretation. I refer to Rossi’s mention of the fact, that for him at least, a positive report is only the precondition for working even harder to accomplish his goals. Were this an isolated incident, I might think nothing of it, but I’ve closely followed many of Rossi’s statements for some time. Example: “What you see as success I translate as responsibility.”

        As you yourself suggest, Teemu, “”obviously, if this is a scam, it is a masterful one…” So actually we agree. I didn’t say it couldn’t be a scam, I said that this sort of statement by Rossi is among the many indications to me that it is not. Hopefully that is now clearer.

    • bachcole

      I agree, 100%. I never thought that he was a scammer. Why? For reasons that are difficult to articulate. In your example, Rossi is pointing towards future hard work. Scammers generally would promise quick and easy results.

  • Sanjeev

    We (the lenr fan club) are also very pleased !
    I’m happy but not surprised. In past few weeks there were some events hinting towards this possibility and the publishing of the report now seems to be only a formality.
    So only things that remain to be revealed are the customer and the ERV. Of course these are most important things to know. I’m hoping that the customer will not be IH themselves and the ERV will not be the same old Lugano team.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      I doubt the Lugano team has anything to do with this. That team was in Europe, and this is a USA industrial customer and setting.

      And the test + monitoring lasted for a year – a VERY long time. We are talking about VERY serious money having been spent here. One has to keep in mind that people monitoring something for a year is not cheap.

      In fact, this cost issue makes we wonder how independent that ERV is?

      So I doubt the ERV is any name or anyone we heard of. However, who the customer is, and are they owned by IH etc., these are certainly issues that will affect credibility of this report.

      I should point out that a COP of 10, or a COP of 80 also does not make the test more, or less credible. Here is hoping to the rumor of 20+

      And to be fair, a test of 30 days, or 60 days don’t make much difference.

      However, a 300+ day test? That is significant, VERY significant.

      At the end of the day, people who don’t believe in the ecat will continue to doubt this report. (and a 1 day test, or 300 day test will NOT make one tiny bit of difference).

      So this report will not be a slam dunk for skeptics, but to quote Winston Churchill?

      This is the “end” of the beginning
      for skeptics to doubt the commercial viability of LENR.

      Beginning of the end: Winston Churchill

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdRH5wzCQQw

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • Pekka Janhunen

        By the way, concerning people who don’t believe into something, when I googled up the Disney movie I noticed there are also some online “communities” who do not believe in the existence of nuclear weapons. Youtube seemed to offer such links although I didn’t open and check them.
        When I was a kid, I had an “uncle” (=an elderly male relative living in the countryside) who didn’t believe in the moon landings. He thought that they did get above the clouds, but not up to the moon.

        • SG

          Yes, these are the extreme of all extreme skeptics. They include the flat-earthers. But I view them as generally harmless. The pseudo-skeptics who hold sway over policy makers cause me much angst.

      • LarryJ

        The length of the test will not improve its credibility. The skeptics and mainstream physics will just say the errors or fraud went on undetected for a longer period of time. Impossible is impossible will be their cry. The test was not designed to prove anything to skeptics, mainstream science or the public at large. It was commissioned to prove to the customer that the contractual obligations were met and that the device is worth the money investors will be required to put up to put products in the market. The fact that Rossi is excited about meeting the robotics vendors tomorrow sounds like the investors were impressed. That is all that matters. This is just another report. You can’t heat your house with it.

      • Th Lugano team has nothing to do with the ERV.

  • Sanjeev

    We (the lenr fan club) are also very pleased !
    I’m happy but not surprised. In past few weeks there were some events hinting towards this possibility and the publishing of the report now seems to be only a formality.
    So only things that remain to be revealed are the customer and the ERV. Of course these are most important things to know. I’m hoping that the customer will not be IH themselves and the ERV will not be the same old Lugano team.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      I doubt the Lugano team has anything to do with this. That team was in Europe, and this is a USA industrial customer and setting.

      And the test + monitoring lasted for a year – a VERY long time. We are talking about VERY serious money having been spent here. One has to keep in mind that people monitoring something for a year is not cheap.

      In fact, this cost issue makes we wonder how independent that ERV is?

      So I doubt the ERV is any name or anyone we heard of. However, who the customer is, and are they owned by IH etc., these are certainly issues that will affect credibility of this report.

      I should point out that a COP of 10, or a COP of 80 also does not make the test more, or less credible. Here is hoping to the rumor of 20+

      And to be fair, a test of 30 days, or 60 days don’t make much difference.

      However, a 300+ day test? That is significant, VERY significant.

      At the end of the day, people who don’t believe in the ecat will continue to doubt this report. (and a 1 day test, or 300 day test will NOT make one tiny bit of difference).

      So this report will not be a slam dunk for skeptics, but to quote Winston Churchill?

      This is the “end” of the beginning
      for skeptics to doubt the commercial viability of LENR.

      Beginning of the end: Winston Churchill

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdRH5wzCQQw

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • Pekka Janhunen

        By the way, concerning people who don’t believe into something, when I googled up the Disney movie I noticed there are also some online “communities” who do not believe in the existence of nuclear weapons. Youtube seemed to offer such links although I didn’t open and check them.
        When I was a kid, I had an “uncle” (=an elderly male relative living in the countryside) who didn’t believe in the moon landings. He thought that they did get above the clouds, but not up to the moon.

        • SG

          Yes, these are the extreme of all extreme skeptics. They include the flat-earthers. But I view them as generally harmless. The pseudo-skeptics who hold sway over policy makers cause me much angst.

      • LarryJ

        The length of the test will not improve its credibility. The skeptics and mainstream physics will just say the errors or fraud went on undetected for a longer period of time. Impossible is impossible will be their cry. The test was not designed to prove anything to skeptics, mainstream science or the public at large. It was commissioned to prove to the customer that the contractual obligations were met and that the device is worth the money investors will be required to put up to put products in the market. The fact that Rossi is excited about meeting the robotics vendors tomorrow sounds like the investors were impressed. That is all that matters. This is just another report. You can’t heat your house with it. It does let Rossi cut one more notch in his belt and we the believers can rejoice but don’t expect anyone else to join the party yet.

      • Th Lugano team has nothing to do with the ERV.

  • LuFong

    There have been a number of older rumors about this COP. I doubt enough people have seen the report to fuel a new rumor. Give it a week though….

  • LarryJ

    We can take heart from a positive ERV but products are the only thing that will actually change perceptions or the world.

  • deleo77

    Hank Mills did a nice job asking Rossi in the negative below to get some answers. Based on Rossi’s answer I think we can look at a COP greater than 6 and no radiation. Will IH put their name on this report and stand behind the ERV? That is another big question.

    Hank Mills
    March 29, 2016 at 6:23 PM
    Dear Andrea,

    Is it safe to assume you would not be “very” pleased -beyond simply being satisfied – with the results of any test of an E-Cat product if even a miniscule amount of radiation (beyond background) had been detected outside of the reactors, a detectable level of unstable decaying transmutation products had been found during analysis of the ash, or the COP was below the long term goal of 6?

    Sincerely,
    Hank Mills

    Andrea Rossi
    March 29, 2016 at 10:03 PM
    Hank Mills:
    Yes.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • deleo77

    Hank Mills did a nice job asking Rossi in the negative below to get some answers. Based on Rossi’s answer I think we can look at a COP greater than 6 and no radiation. Will IH put their name on this report and stand behind the ERV? That is another big question.

    Hank Mills
    March 29, 2016 at 6:23 PM
    Dear Andrea,

    Is it safe to assume you would not be “very” pleased -beyond simply being satisfied – with the results of any test of an E-Cat product if even a miniscule amount of radiation (beyond background) had been detected outside of the reactors, a detectable level of unstable decaying transmutation products had been found during analysis of the ash, or the COP was below the long term goal of 6?

    Sincerely,
    Hank Mills

    Andrea Rossi
    March 29, 2016 at 10:03 PM
    Hank Mills:
    Yes.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • bachcole

      LOL. Nice extraction of every little bit of info we can get. Now, ask if the COP is above 10.

  • Patrick Ellul

    Rossi changed his “10 day statement” to: “Yes, I will publish it as soon as there will be an agreement”

    • SG

      So that could mean sooner than 10 days, or it could mean later. With Dr. Josephson’s post, I tend to think it might be sooner than 10 days.

      • Patrick Ellul

        which “Dr. Josephson’s post” ?

        • SG

          See below. Frank mentions a post from Brian Josephson on another LENR forum.

      • Rossi’s original reply, “I will publish it within a tenth of days” already covered the possibility that it would be less than ten days, so the revised version must mean that it will be more than that.

        • SG

          Yes, it is possible. Although we don’t know the timing of when Brian Josephson received his email. It seems like it is a very fluid situation right now.

          • At least AR seems to be saying that the report will be released – even that seemed in some doubt for a while.

            But of course if the person concerned is a private individual being paid by Leonardo/IH, rather than an employee of an accredited certification company, the impact of even a glowing report is likely to be minimal outside the follower camp and others watching progress. Perhaps that’s why its release appears to be sanctioned.

          • Omega Z

            The question would be who sponsors the ERV.

            Certification Companies(Usually a small core) are made up of a large number of contracted experts as none are large enough to cover the gambit of products that require certification. Like (UL) is primarily an office of paper pushers who handle the paper work. External experts do most of the actual tests.

  • Patrick Ellul

    Rossi changed his “10 day statement” to: “Yes, I will publish it as soon as there will be an agreement”

    • SG

      So that could mean sooner than 10 days, or it could mean later. With Dr. Josephson’s post, I tend to think it might be sooner than 10 days.

      • Patrick Ellul

        which “Dr. Josephson’s post” ?

        • SG

          See below. Frank mentions a post from Brian Josephson on another LENR forum.

      • Rossi’s original reply, “I will publish it within a tenth of days” already covered the possibility that it would be less than ten days, so the revised version must mean that it will be more than that.

        • SG

          Yes, it is possible. Although we don’t know the timing of when Brian Josephson received his email. It seems like it is a very fluid situation right now.

          • At least AR seems to be saying that the report will be released – even that seemed in some doubt for a while.

            But of course if the person concerned is a private individual being paid by Leonardo/IH, rather than an employee of an accredited certification company, the impact of even a glowing report is likely to be minimal outside the follower camp and others watching progress. Perhaps that’s why its release appears to be sanctioned.

          • Omega Z

            The question would be who sponsors the ERV.

            Certification Companies(Usually a small core) are made up of a large number of contracted experts as none are large enough to cover the gambit of products that require certification. Like (UL) is primarily an office of paper pushers who handle the paper work. External experts do most of the actual tests.

  • Karl Venter

    I have an Ecat

    • SG

      Care to expound on that a bit? LOL.

    • SG

      Are you the CEO at Swedish New Energy Technologies? Can you share any additional details? If you are him, and what you say is true, then Mr. Rossi is clearly one step ahead. Multiple confirmations from multiple quarters of the world might be just what is needed for a breakout LENR revolution.

      • SG

        Just refreshed my browser and saw your pic. So much for the LENR revolution. 😉

  • Karl Venter

    I have an Ecat

    • SG

      Care to expound on that a bit? LOL.

    • SG

      Are you the CEO at Swedish New Energy Technologies? Can you share any additional details? If you are him, and what you say is true, then Mr. Rossi is clearly one step ahead. Multiple confirmations from multiple quarters