A Stellar Electric Bill for the Mysterious 'JM' (Hank Mills)

This post has been submitted by Hank Mills. Note, since Hank Mills first posted this as a comment on An Impossible Invention, Andrea Rossi has denied that Johnson Matthey is the customer, saying “Your comment contains a big mistake: Johnson Matthey has nothing to do with us. We bought from them some materials but that is all. Please do not diffuse false information”.

Since Mats Lewan has acquired the power bill of the manufacturing facility that utilized the 1MW E-Cat, Let’s look at the power consumption from another perspective — that of Industrial Heat and Thomas Darden.

We will start with the figure that 20 kWh was consumed by the plant every hour and there was no other source of electrical input power. This is probably a high figure considering that other equipment used in the manufacturing process consumed at least *some* power in addition to lighting, people’s personal computers, etc.
We will now assume that zero excess heat was produced. This means that in the best case scenerio the amount of electrical power converted into heat will be less than 20kWh, because there will be losses throughout the system. We know this because the plant itself required AIR CONDITIONING EQUIPMENT to be installed. This means thermal energy is being LOST to the environment. Also, the air conditioning used up some portion of the 20kWh.
At least point we have far less than an average of 20kWh worth of heat output being directed to the manufacturing process.

On average, we are told the manufacturing process required one megawatt of thermal power. Even if a full one megawatt was not *always* required, we know that substantially more than an average of 20kWh was needed to keep the manufacturing process operating at a particular rate. This is because the customer knew exactly how much electrical power was required to produce the thermal power. My understanding is that the plant’s thermal power was being used to maintain vats of water at a high temperature near the boiling point. Johnson Matthey* is a huge company that has produced Sponge Nickel for a very long time. There is no doubt they had used vats of the same construction before, used electricity to heat them, and knew how much power was consumed.

To be very conservative, let’s assume that there were times when far less than the average of one megawatt hour per hour (1000kWh) was required for the manufacturing process. Let’s go down to 500kWh.

To be as conservative as Donald Trump, let’s also assume that the steamy hot weather of Southern Florida, Andrea Rossi’s sometimes fiery and scorching personality, and the burning constant glare from the representatives of IH somehow helped maintain the temperature of the vats so even less thermal power was required. For this purpose, let’s drop down to 250kWh of heat being required, on average.

250kWh divided by 20kWH equals 12.5.

This means that the customer was only obtaining 1/12.5 of the thermal energy required to maintain the rate of production.

Another way of looking at the numbers is that they were achieving the desired rate of production with only 8% of the normal required thermal energy.

Now, Industrial Heat can either assume one of two things, if they steadfastly refuse to believe that any excess heat was produced:

1) Johnson Matthey* was testing out a radical new sponge nickel manufacturing process and only pretending to require thermal energy. This new process could be worth billions of dollars and be worth investing in, ASAP. In this case, we would know why they didn’t want to pay Rossi 89 million: they wanted to invest in Johnson Matthey!

2) Johnson Matthey* is in league with Rossi. This would mean something truly shocking: an established global company with a billion dollars annually in sales would willingly risk their reputation to protect a deluded crackpot of a scientist that was costing them money every single month. Instead of immediately closing the plant after a couple of months in which buying electricity from the grid would have been more cost effective, they allowed the scandalous inventor to keep supplying them with enough heat to maintain only a tiny fraction of their full production.

Either way, from the point of view of Industrial Heat, they are onto something HUGE.

Or, perhaps from the perspective of many of us who have been following this saga from the beginning, the plant did indeed produce massive excess heat, the customer’s manufacturing continued right on track near full capacity, and like Rossi has indicated they want to purchase three more plants because the E-Cat technology has SAVED THEM A FREAKING TON OF MONEY IN TERMS OF ENERGY COSTS!

Regardless who ends up being correct, this is going to be a media sensation.

What seems more logical of a scenario to you?

*Note: Since Rossi now emphatically denies that Johnson Matthey is involved, I will openly state I could be wrong about the customer of the heat being produced by his plant. According to Rossi, I am absolutely and totally wrong. However, you could use any established and reputable company in my article and the same would be true. No global company based in the UK with multiple manufacturing sites throughout Europe would allow for one of their production lines to slow to a crawl because a deluded cold fusion nut was not producing the amount of heat he said his device would produce. Regardless who is the chemical manufacturer involved, the fact they allowed the plant to remain open for a YEAR is truly STELLAR evidence the Rossi Effect works.

  • LilyLover

    Rossi’s bravery is only unsurpassed by his stated truth.
    Love it.

  • Billy Jackson

    then very simple question.. how much energy does it take to run the same vat at the same temperature with no e-cat involved? no more test required…

    1. Temperature = 200 degree’s (fake number) .. with ecat = ??? kWH
    2. Temperature = 200 degree’s (fake number) Without ecat = ??? kWH

    you don’t even need a year long test for that, a week or two works. end of story.

    • SG

      Yes, if IH are to believed, then 1) IH either knew early on there was a problem and strategically didn’t raise a stink, or 2) IH are incompetent.

      That said, I think the purposes of the 1 year test were three fold: 1) prove the effect, 2) prove that the effect is reliable over relatively a long period of time, and 3) meet the obligations within the contract. So in other words, the long-term nature of the test was due to more than just a need to prove the effect.

      • GordonDocherty

        and, don’t forget, add weight to the evidence that the effect is “safe”. I’ve noticed elsewhere now the test has concluded – and there is a good chance the test is positive – the spectre of “safety concerns” has now been dragged out of the cupboard, just as was (sadly) repeatedly predicted would happen over the last 5 years plus… one of the aims of the test was to run the system and for those involved to still be alive and well at its conclusion (hence the focus on the “health” scare a couple of months back that was quickly established not to be radiation poisoning…). Clearly, that part of the test was passed.

        • It would also have been important commercially to know exactly how long a ‘charge’ was going to last under load conditions. But as you say, creating a record of safe extended operation may have been the primary aim of the test (I’m slightly surprised that UL, TUV or similar were apparently not involved in the testing as part of an initial certification process – I had expected the ‘ERV’ to be an employee of such an agency).

        • akupaku

          Certainly adds some weight to the evidence of being safe and reliable but still not really a satisfactory safety or reliability test in my eyes. LENR reactions might still run amok or even produce dangerous radiation if some border conditions are reached. The test only proves operation under “normal” conditions. As long as we don’t know the precise theory behind LENR, i.e. what is actually happening, such dangerous border conditions might exist and the 1 year test never reached them. For example if the reactor is controlled by software and LENR reaction for some reason goes to unknown never before seen territory, the software might lose control because it does not know what to do or does the wrong thing.

          Brillouin seems to be in better control of this aspect as they claim that they have a theory that explains their LENR reactions. Although I am not aware if they have published any details, neither has Rossi.

          • cashmemorz

            Has anyone else verified Brillouin’s theory? What I am trying to say is that Rossi also has a theory of how his devices work but it is not verified as far as I know.

      • psi2u2

        Right, it was to demonstrate practical utility and safety in an industrial setting over an extended time period. Those who condemn it as “irrelevant” seem to miss this point.

    • Thomas Kaminski

      Rossi: “I needed COP 6, got 50”
      IH: “You needed COP 6, got 1”

      An even simpler test can tell who is statistically more likely to be correct.

    • DrD

      And if the fuel only lasted 6 months?

  • Billy Jackson

    then very simple question.. how much energy does it take to run the same vat at the same temperature with no e-cat involved? no more test required…

    1. Temperature = 200 degree’s (fake number) .. with ecat = ??? kWH
    2. Temperature = 200 degree’s (fake number) Without ecat = ??? kWH

    you don’t even need a year long test for that, a week or two works. end of story.

    • SG

      Yes, if IH are to believed, then 1) IH either knew early on there was a problem and strategically didn’t raise a stink, or 2) IH are incompetent.

      That said, I think the purposes of the 1 year test were three fold: 1) prove the effect, 2) prove that the effect is reliable over a relatively long period of time, and 3) meet the obligations within the contract. So in other words, the long-term nature of the test was due to more than just a need to prove the effect.

      • GordonDocherty

        and, don’t forget, add weight to the evidence that the effect is “safe”. I’ve noticed elsewhere now the test has concluded – and there is a good chance the test is positive – the spectre of “safety concerns” has now been dragged out of the cupboard, just as was (sadly) repeatedly predicted would happen over the last 5 years plus… one of the aims of the test was to run the system and for those involved to still be alive and well at its conclusion (hence the focus on the “health” scare a couple of months back that was quickly established not to be radiation poisoning…). Clearly, that part of the test was passed.

        • It would also have been important commercially to know exactly how long a ‘charge’ was going to last under load conditions. But as you say, creating a record of safe extended operation may have been the primary aim of the test (I’m slightly surprised that UL, TUV or similar were apparently not involved in the testing as part of an initial certification process – I had expected the ‘ERV’ to have turned out to have been an employee of such an agency).

          The ‘safety’ card will certainly be played at some point, but too little evidence of any real dangers exists at present. Nothing a manufactured incident and a run of scary stories in the controlled media couldn’t fix, when the time comes.

        • akupaku

          Certainly adds some weight to the evidence of being safe and reliable but still not really a satisfactory safety or reliability test in my eyes. LENR reactions might still run amok or even produce dangerous radiation if some border conditions are reached. The test only proves operation under “normal” conditions. As long as we don’t know the precise theory behind LENR, i.e. what is actually happening, such dangerous border conditions might exist and the 1 year test never reached them. For example if the reactor is controlled by software and LENR reaction for some reason goes to unknown never before seen territory, the software might lose control because it does not know what to do or does the wrong thing.

          Brillouin seems to be in better control of this aspect as they claim that they have a theory that explains their LENR reactions. Although I am not aware if they have published any details, neither has Rossi.

          • cashmemorz

            Has anyone else verified Brillouin’s theory? What I am trying to say is that Rossi also has a theory of how his devices work but it is not verified as far as I know.

          • Steve Swatman

            May I ask exactly what sort of time frame you would expect a test to go on for, with a theory, or without a theory before your eyes would be opened?

            The runaway reaction can be stopped by switches, if it starts to run switching it off stops the runaway, anything over ????C and it stops, I believe this aspect has been covered by AR and Fluvio.

          • akupaku

            I would feel more secure if a long period of tests were conducted in an independent laboratory based on an accepted and well understood theory on how LENR actually works. How long would it take? It depends on how many border case scenarios if any the theory suggests and how long does it take to test these scenarios empirically.

            Have Rossi or any others done such tests based on a theory? I don’t think we have any proof of that yet.

            How interesting that you know about such a switch to stop things going wrong. Would you care to elaborate in more details how the switch works? ;o)

            Until more is known about LENR I would hesitate to be among the first ones having a LENR reactor running in my house.

          • Steve Swatman

            Andrea Rossi has said that for safe and stable operations it is necessary that the external heat source be cycled on and off.

            SWITCHED!

            If you do not want a LENR reactor in your house, why are you spending so much time following and negating another persons hard work, i mean, isnt that kinda like watching a football that you do not support just so you can complain about their manager after each game, what is the point in that?

          • clovis ray

            Oh, but he has produced details, if he had went black when he first discovered it, no one would be as far along as they are, he gave the , lots of details and at last even the patent, to go by, still no replication have passed muster, so to late now, no one will ever know his secret, but we will get to use, and enjoy this great device,

      • psi2u2

        Right, it was to demonstrate practical utility and safety in an industrial setting over an extended time period. Those who condemn it as “irrelevant” seem to miss this point.

    • Thomas Kaminski

      Rossi: “I needed COP 6, got 50”
      IH: “You needed COP 6, got 1”

      An even simpler test can tell who is statistically more likely to be correct.

      • bachcole

        It appears from another comment that:

        Rossi: “I needed a COP of 2.6, got 50”
        IH: “You needed a COP of 2.6, got 1”

        Someone is lying. I don’t see any wiggle room for truth telling.

        • Frank Acland

          Except we really don’t know what IH is claiming regarding the COP of 1MW test. We only have non-official comments from people who say they have heard from IH, and even they don’t give a firm number.

    • DrD

      And if the fuel only lasted 6 months?

  • sam

    Thanks Hank for your effort and others in trying to
    sort all this stuff out.It all gets me confused
    at times.

  • SG

    When Mr. Rossi states that “Johnson Matthey has nothing to do with us,” one possible interpretation is that Johnson Matthey has nothing to do with us because it was JM Products with whom we had the customer contract. Now, I’m not saying that is the correct way to interpret Mr. Rossi’s words, but wanted to point out the statement has some ambiguity, and may be a way for Mr. Rossi to take pressure off of Johnson Matthey while still being technically truthful in his statement.

    • Axil Axil

      Rossi is now into lawyer speak…It Depends on what the meaning of the word is is …

      • SG

        IH are pros at ambiguous statements! Perhaps Mr. Rossi has learned a thing or two from them after all.

      • Billy Jackson

        Rossi has always had a way with words..that lesson was learned when the 6 month test became a 31 day test.. he never lied. .but he never corrected us on our interpretation of his words either… so yes.. he’s very good sometimes at leaving things out that he does not want revealed.

      • Slad
  • SG

    When Mr. Rossi states that “Johnson Matthey has nothing to do with us,” one possible interpretation is that Johnson Matthey has nothing to do with us because it was JM Products with whom we had the customer contract. Now, I’m not saying that is the correct way to interpret Mr. Rossi’s words, but wanted to point out the statement has some ambiguity, and may be a way for Mr. Rossi to take pressure off of Johnson Matthey while still being technically truthful in his statement.

    • Axil Axil

      Rossi is now into lawyer speak…It Depends on what the meaning of the word is is …

      • SG

        IH are pros at ambiguous statements! Perhaps Mr. Rossi has learned a thing or two from them after all.

      • Billy Jackson

        Rossi has always had a way with words..that lesson was learned when the 6 month test became a 31 day test.. he never lied. .but he never corrected us on our interpretation of his words either… so yes.. he’s very good sometimes at leaving things out that he does not want revealed.

      • Slad
        • clovis ray

          ah, our next first gentleman, the only man in present history, that will get to live in the whitehouse, for a total of 16 years,

    • Alex Fenrick

      While I see you point…I personally will not be giving Rossi a pass if this turns out to be semantics. Rossi is a smart enough man to know what he is saying in this very simple answer. I think we have to be cautious in giving him a pass on this if it is not an honest statement. I will take him on his word at this point…

  • Jerry Soloman

    Hank well done another great analysis.

  • Johnson Matthey could still be the company even if Rossi denies it. If they really want 3 more plants from Rossi and want to stay hidden, well…. I’d lie about it too.

    • Hank Mills

      You are right. Rossi was not truthful when he denied there was a rift between IH and Leonardo Corporation. To be blunt, he lied. However, he was doing so to abide by a contract and NDA he signed. This doesn’t make it right, but it does show he doesn’t lie simply to be nefarious. If Johnson Matthey is the customer — perhaps there could be another chemical company based in the UK that has factories across Europe that produce metal sponge — then he would have a reason to lie.

      • Alex Fenrick

        In my opinion, the fact that Rossi has taken it upon himself to play this out in the “court of public opinion” especially on his own website, puts him in a position of serious scrutiny in the honesty of his words. The rift lie as well the fake users he is using to “speak to himself” we have discovered are a bit troubling but not a deal breaker by any means. BUT…. if he is found to be lying about this issue…I would consider it quite significant and in the realm of nefarious by all means. Some lies, while not right, are understandable in some situations…but a track record of dishonest statements is just example of a liar. Again I am not calling Rossi a liar over this…just saying this statement is pretty important.

        • SG

          I’m not sure about the fake user conjecture. I read all of the postings on his blog. There are many English-as-second language posters, several from Italy. Many posters dating back years have echoed the “Rossisms” such as “test on course” and the like.

          • Alex Fenrick

            There is no question in my mind that those users are Rossi…exact same misspellings as Rossi…same use of space before and after parenthesis…same vitrol and rhetoric with the same verbage etc. You can easily search on his forum and match up what I am saying…

          • Charles Twain

            There’s a suspicious user on Mats blog now as well. Username is randombit0, 3 comments so far. Empty wordpress account created yesterday just to comment there and very Rossi-ish commenting style Hint: Look up the 2 comments by the user BertAbbing

          • Charles Twain

            Look up BertAbbing on JONP that is. I had written a longer comment detailing some of the similarities including keywords but it looks like half of it got lost in the intertubes or maybe I accidentally deleted some of it.

          • Alex Fenrick

            You are correct…same writing pattern, rhetoric AND uses the spaces at the beginning and end of paranthesis!! That is Rossi AGAIN!!!!

        • clovis ray

          well i don’t see it that way at all, all Dr Rossi did was call them out for non payment, and if they persist he will nail their as_ to the barn door. now that’s just the way i see it.

          • Alex Fenrick

            Clovis, wouldn’t you agree that he is playing this out in the court of public opinion though? For someone who just entered a lawsuit, he is being incredibly vocal about the situation. I have a feeling he drives his lawyer crazy with it, as a lawyer typically will tell you to keep your mouth shut about ALL details heading into a court case..especially one of this magnitude. IH is holding its cards VERY close to the chest because they have VERY skilled lawyers telling them to do so. If I were Rossi, the ONLY thing I would do at this point would be show proof of claim with an independent panel..and shut my mouth beyond that. I would also understand if Rossi had said no test AND no comment to protect the future lawsuit…but being so vocal just does not seem like a good idea to me. Just look at how vocal he is on his own site regarding the case and situation…you just DON”T do that if you know what is good for your court case.

    • SG

      If it were me, I wouldn’t “lie” about it, I’d state exactly what Mr. Rossi stated, because technically, you could still be truthful while accomplishing your objectives.

    • sam

      I think he met what he said.
      He sounded upset.

  • Hank Mills

    You are right. Rossi was not truthful when he denied there was a rift between IH and Leonardo Corporation. To be blunt, he lied. However, he was doing so to abide by a contract and NDA he signed. This doesn’t make it right, but it does show he doesn’t lie simply to be nefarious. If Johnson Matthey is the customer — perhaps there could be another chemical company based in the UK that has factories across Europe that produce metal sponge — then he would have a reason to lie.

  • bachcole

    Nice article. You almost have a skeptic like me convinced. Well, you do, but the proof is too complicated for me to be telling my friends and family. They want something simple so that they don’t have to spend too much time reading the mathematical tea leafs.

  • SG

    If it were me, I wouldn’t “lie” about it, I’d state exactly what Mr. Rossi stated, because technically, you could still be truthful while accomplishing your objectives.

  • Alex Fenrick

    In my opinion, if Rossi says Johnson Matthey is not the secret customer, we need to take his words at face value and go with that piece of information. If Rossi is playing semantics with this statement, he opens himself up to warranted accusation of a very large and significant lie that should have great bearing on the perspective of this situation. If Rossi is truthful on this specific issue, we must let go of the conspiracy path regarding Johnson Matthey. This is a VERY curious revelation in my opinion….should be interesting.

    • Curbina

      The test was performed in JM chemical products Inc. Premises, and Rossi will stick to it, Who owns this shell company is another complete different issue so technically Rossi could be not lying.

    • Jerry Soloman

      Alex stop spinning the JM line, they were under nondisclosure that’s the way business opperates.

      • Alex Fenrick

        my perspective is no more speculation than yours.

  • Rd

    This is all based on the assumption that there was any production there at all. So far I have not seen any evidence of that.

    • Michael W Wolf

      It was based on the assumption that water was being boiled.

      • Rd

        Some water was probably being boiled by the 20kW, but more than that? who knows?

  • It can be fantastic, and in that case IH should only moan on
    – the quality of the report (for example if Rossi have removed test apparatus installed by IH, making the result dubious)
    – the IP transfer (for example if Rossi did not give enough data on the SSM or the E-cat X, which are derived IP covered by the license)

    -> this is what I hear.

    Or simply JMC is a dummy company producing warm water…
    -> I hear that too.

    We have to wait for the trial.
    Maybe it is trivial problem that can be solved around a table.

  • It can be fantastic, and in that case IH should only moan on
    – the quality of the report (for example if Rossi have removed test apparatus installed by IH, making the result dubious)
    – the IP transfer (for example if Rossi did not give enough data on the SSM or the E-cat X, which are derived IP covered by the license)

    -> this is what I hear.

    Or simply JMC is a dummy company producing warm water…
    -> I hear that too.

    We have to wait for the trial.
    Maybe it is trivial problem that can be solved around a table.

    • clovis ray

      I just have to say, it is misleading to say-JMC is a dummy company producing warm water… i don’t care who said it,and that you believed it, enough to repeat it here. no one knows what their production was or how the e-cat was used to produce it.
      And i believe that it won’t come to trial, because I/H does not have a leg to stand on.
      I think they will cut their loses, and try and get out, with out serving time in jail,
      Because, the U.S.is cracking down on this kind of wall street fraud, and monkey busness.

  • doug marker

    Hank,

    I admire your desire to make a point. But don’t sell yourself short. Your analysis of events in the past months has been ‘stellar’.

    No one, no matter how persuasive, could maintain this saga to the extent is has been maintained and backed by the multiple agencies and ‘types’ of people involved (up until the end of the 12 month test).

    Despite any debate about the veracity and origin of the phrase “follow the money”, the phrase from “All the presidents men” struck a chord with the ordinary (plus extra ordinary) man. In the context of the current LENR debates, common sense dictates the need to “follow the money” then draw your own conclusions.

    It is sad and surprising to see so many former ‘strong’ supporters of the Rossi LENR claims, wilt in the current heat (I here directly include Mats Lewan in this definition).

    The dumb part is that ‘some’ of us who gave Andrea Rossi a rough time 3+ years ago, are far less willing to do so today *based on*: what has emerged, what we may know among ourselves, and, following the end of the 12 month test with all that has been revealed.

    The point here is that those who led the way in past years, are among the ones losing their nerve today. IMHO, showing a loss of courage (fearful of having been so positive for years but now hedging bets).

    The real (money) issue is about who has a defensible core patent. That changed weeks ago when it became clear that PIantelli’s 2013 patent, opposed by Andrea Rossi and the granting being reversed, followed now by Piantelli’s successful counter-claim such that Piantelli’s ‘crucial’ 2013 patent got reinstated. THAT changed the landscape !.

    – A ‘money’ question ! – Why would IH or anyone hand over $89 million for a technology that just got compromised by a shift in patent control.

    Again hear those words: “follow the money” !

    Cheers and thanks

    Doug Marker

    An additional comment ” When the regular wind shifts direction, so does the chaff caught in it”.

    • Alex Fenrick

      Unfortunately the current situation has caused many of us to question both Rossi and IH at this point. For me personally, I have seen too many lies and illogical moves by Rossi to trust him anymore, but that is not to say IH is not up to mischief as well. Everyone has a high water mark where they lose trust and require extraordinary proof for extraordinary claims….some of us probably just have a different level than yourself. Whether anyone likes it or not…skepticism is just as important as faith and belief when it comes to fringe science and technology. The frauds must be called out just as vigorously as the geniuses are praised….that’s how the fringe progresses…

      • Michael W Wolf

        When did Rossi “LIE”?

        • Alex Fenrick

          When he denied there was a rift between IH and Leonardo Corporation for one…I have my opinion on others as well..but that discussion probably would not be very productive right now as it has been beat like a dead horse.

          • psi2u2

            But this was a totally understandable and appropriate lie under the circumstances, don’t you think? Just as, if the customer is really Johnson Matthey, Rossi’s denial would fall under valid business ethics if he is protecting the customer at the customer’s request.

          • Alex Fenrick

            On the surface I do agree Psi, but more and more I am feeling like there is dishonesty on both sides. It just seems like every turn of the corner lately there are strange maneuvers and connections the deeper everyone digs. It is just so bizarre to me that on one hand you have Rossi operating with an odd level of secrecy and odd maneuvers …yet on the other hand he can’t help himself in the public eye including adding in a few friends that are only in his head lol. I don’t know….this just seems like such a twisted movie script…and you know how those always go. Call me a skeptic, but something just smells fishy to me from the Rossi camp…as well as IH camp.

          • psi2u2

            Like I said, you are a decent guy and you are providing an important pov without attacking those who still prefer to see Rossi’s glass half full.

          • Axil Axil

            Bill Clinton took a class at Georgetown given by the Jesuits on the theology of telling the truth. There is a special kind of truth for politicians.

            It Depends on what the meaning of the word is is …

          • Steve Swatman

            Thats business, its like politics, a business like manner, a political statement, things are fine, everything is according to plan, etc business.

    • sam

      I wish A.R had given Mats a tour
      of the plant.It would have been a
      confidence builder for him and
      others following the one year test.

  • Michael W Wolf

    It was based on the assumption that water was being boiled.

  • sam

    I think he met what he said.
    He sounded upset.

  • Curbina

    The test was performed in JM chemical products Inc. Premises, and Rossi will stick to it, Who owns this shell company is another complete different issue so technically Rossi could be not lying.

  • G. Westreicher

    I think the electric bill in this case is not relevant.
    One would have to know exactly how the heat production is done before Test
    Heat in MWh range in industry is usually created with natural gas burners.
    One would have to examine the natural gas bill.
    The consumption of electrical energy should rather be increased by the Ecat

    • Warthog

      On the contrary. It is ultimately the ONLY thing that is relevant. We know that “the customers” normal process used both natural gas and electricity. We also know that this process was set up specifically to use ONLY electricity and NOT natural gas, probably in order to simplify the overall measurement environment.

      I suspect that there are two KWH meters involved, one on the electrical energy feeding the e-Cat installation, and one feeding the customer’s process. “If” they chose to use recording KWH meters, the evidence should be completely obvious, irrespective of any other instrumentation

      • Axil Axil

        When it comes to getting a jury to see it your way, keep things simple.

      • roseland67

        Are you for real?

        • Warthog

          Absolutely for real. Want to compare credentials?? Or point out errors in my post or logic??

          • roseland67

            Already done that Warthog

          • Warthog

            Really, and where exactly did you do that??

        • bachcole

          Implication: “you are a dunce!” Do you really want to talk that way to a fellow human being?

          • roseland67

            Really, from you? Really?
            Please

  • Warthog

    On the contrary. It is ultimately the ONLY thing that is relevant. We know that “the customers” normal process used both natural gas and electricity. We also know that this process was set up specifically to use ONLY electricity and NOT natural gas, probably in order to simplify the overall measurement environment.

    I suspect that there are two KWH meters involved, one on the electrical energy feeding the e-Cat installation, and one feeding the customer’s process. “If” they chose to use recording KWH meters, the evidence should be completely obvious, irrespective of any other instrumentation

    • Axil Axil

      When it comes to getting a jury to see it your way, keep things simple.

    • roseland67

      Are you for real?

      • Warthog

        Absolutely for real. Want to compare credentials?? Or point out errors in my post or logic??

        • roseland67

          Already done that Warthog

          • Warthog

            Really, and where exactly did you do that??

  • SG

    I’m not sure about the fake user conjecture. I read all of the postings on his blog. There are many English-as-second language posters, several from Italy. Many posters dating back years have echoed the “Rossisms” such as “test on course” and the like.

    • Alex Fenrick

      There is no question in my mind that those users are Rossi…exact same misspellings as Rossi…same use of space before and after parenthesis…same vitrol and rhetoric with the same verbage etc. You can easily search on his forum and match up what I am saying…

      • Charles Twain

        There’s a suspicious user on Mats blog now as well. Username is randombit0, 3 comments so far. Empty wordpress account created yesterday just to comment there and very Rossi-ish commenting style Hint: Look up the 2 comments by the user BertAbbing

  • Harvey Hamel

    Check out this link for JM Products Corp. and click on the Gallery Photo. http://www.yellowpages.com/doral-fl/mip/jm-products-corp-503126960

    • Mike Henderson

      I put that picture there a couple of weeks ago. I was also going to submit a 5 star review for their high COP LENR services … I either chickened out or it was removed.

      • Steve Swatman

        Photos by

        Mike H., 04/08/2016

        Name checks out, now go ahead and make that 5* review.

  • Alex Fenrick

    Okay ..I’m sorry, but it’s time to call Rossi out on this use of fake forum users. I initially said I did not find it that big of a deal, but now that he is using numerous fake users to push his agenda…I think it is really starting to look shady. The users on JONP and Mats site named Jimmy Hugh, Jacky ,BertAbbing and randombit0 all have the exact same tell tale signs of Rossi’s writing. They all have the same directed rhetoric and vitriol all repeating the same messages in somewhat broken english, the same misspellings and the same odd usage of an extra space before and after parenthesis that no one else seems to do. This is 100% obvious to me and completely transparent…you can easily look up each name I mentioned and see the absolute similarities. It just looks shady and crooked at this point….

    • akupaku

      Maybe it is a conspiracy. Somebody is writing messages that have a Rossi style to make him look bad. Quite possible if Hank Mills 10 point hypothesis on Mats Lewan’s blog is true. The evil guys trying to cast a slur on Rossi.

      Just a thought!

      Jees, I am starting to spread rumors and speculations like so many others. What an infectious game this is, lol. ;o)

      • Alex Fenrick

        A conspiracy of a conspiracy wrapped in a conspiracy… I like it! lol In keeping with the conspiracy theme… suppose it could be a “double agent” situation…but when you read the actual context of what these “fake users” are saying aside from all obvious hints…it makes more sense that it is Rossi pushing an agenda. When you are able to look at all of the fake users from a collective perspective…you see what he is doing. With that being said…your perspective is just as possible as mine…thank you for presenting it!

        • SG

          It makes just as much sense that this is an IH operative executing on the promised asymmetric attacks in an attempt to make Mr. Rossi look bad. A conspiracy isn’t even required. Might just be one individual in IH’s camp who took it upon him/herself to make Mr. Rossi look desperate or paranoid. It would make for a very simple attack and discredit campaign.

          • Alex Fenrick

            SG…hopefully you didn’t take my comment as sarcasm…I honestly was just joking around. Again you could be just as right as me…the only reason why I am stuck on it being Rossi is the context of a few of the messages…some of them would only make sense coming from him. But I am also smart enough to know the old saying “that’s exactly what they want you to think” lol. If it is the old double agent situation…they are playing it well…because the words are so Rossi-esque you can almost hear him saying them haha. Either way this is a fun little twist in this ridiculous circus…and your point is very valid.

          • akupaku

            Well, what you are saying is already a conspiracy which means:
            – “a secret plan to do something unlawful or harmful.”
            – “the action of plotting or conspiring”

          • SG

            Well, legally, a conspiracy requires at least two people. The proposed attack can easily be carried out by one person.

      • SG

        Well, Mr. Weaver has referred to asymmetric attacks coming Mr. Rossi’s way. It is within the realm of possibility. Remember, trillion dollar interests are at stake.

    • SG

      I’m not sure I buy it. Like I said when responding to you before (as you have posted this conjecture in quite a few places), there are many English-as-second-language speakers posting on Mr. Rossi’s blog and elsewhere. People are following this saga from around the world. In addition, if you look closely at the posting history on Mr. Rossi’s blog for the past few years, many posters have taken up the “Rossisms” and have echoed those in their posts. One example is “test on course.” But there are many others.

      Finally, even if Mr. Rossi is doing this himself (which I view as a possibility but an improbability), how does that make it any different from what Mr. Weaver has been doing?

      • Alex Fenrick

        I suppose we will have to agree to disagree on this…but I think I make a ridiculously strong case for it. I have noticed on others sites that a few other people have mentioned the same thing now as well. I know word travels fast..but it seems to be gaining acceptance. It really is pretty apparent to me. You make a great point vs Mr. Weaver…but two wrongs do not make a right…and I believe it is shady and dishonest on both accounts. We live in an era now where much if not most of our communication is via digital means…creating fake accounts and such is a pretty serious thing nowadays to people…and VERY serious in a court of law. IP addresses are attached to each of those accounts. I am not saying this has bearing specifically in this case…but things like fake online accounts (tracked via IP adds typicall) are used very often nowadays in court cases….digital age….

        • SG

          Nah. Most forums are populated by “fake” accounts. I have no idea whether you are “Alex Fenrick” or not. The Internet is pseudonymous by nature. It is not a crime to make a posting on the Internet under something other than your legal name. Just because you can track an IP (which in some cases, is not possible depending on the sophistication of the user), does not make pseudonymous posts in and of themselves illegal either.

          • Alex Fenrick

            While you are correct on the surface there with your perspective…I think it falls apart on a few fronts. First we are not talking about just some random internet troll…we are talking about the actions of the key figure in this “circus”…that is a significant difference. Next we have the point that Rossi himself is the one that adds much of the fuel to the fire in the “court of public opinion” that has evolved…so it causes it to look very disengenous. Then we have the issue that most of these fake user shenanigans he is playing is on his OWN site to push his agenda….you can’t cause a more shady perspective than that if you tried. Like it or not….in 2016….online forums are way more than what they used to be in human psyche…online communication and interaction is nowadays starting to overshadow that on non-online….this stuff really does matter nowadays. Trolls are one thing….what he is doing is a different animal. Again I have stated more than once that this is not a smoking gun or anything even close in this case….but it should be of interest when looked from the outside perspective. A good forensic analysis of ANYTHING absolutely takes things of this nature into account. Plus I never ever said it is illegal…not by a long shot…I said it looks shady and causes so much more reason for justified distrust in Rossi.

    • SG

      I also see that you are a relatively new Disqus user–as of March 2016. Welcome to the melee!

      • bachcole

        This is a very civilized website, even if it is still a melee. (:->) But go outside this website, something I very rarely do, it is more like the Vikings versus the Genghis Khan.

        • Mike

          Vikings versus Genghis Khan????? I think it was at least 200-300 years between them in the history and the vikings did probably not travel so far away.

    • jimbo92107

      I’m pretty sure what you’re claiming can be analyzed statistically. It’s also possible that a public forum has members from all parts of the world, and people of similar cultures do make similar mistakes in English grammar. Anybody here know how to do a statistical analysis of writing styles? Or how to trace IP addresses?

  • akupaku

    Hank Mills presents a very interesting 10 point hypothesis on Mats Lewan’s blog at https://animpossibleinvention.com/2016/04/20/lets-join-forces-to-bring-out-the-truth-on-rossi-ih-affair/

    Could very well be true, let’s hope not. And if it is true, let’s hope the evil guys fail.

    A conspiracy! I love it, LOL! ;o)

    (just meaning I love conspiracy theories, they are so exciting, epic battles between good and evil, best entertainment on this planet, lol.
    Especially if they turn out to be true)

  • akupaku

    Hank Mills presents a very interesting 10 point hypothesis on Mats Lewan’s blog at https://animpossibleinvention.com/2016/04/20/lets-join-forces-to-bring-out-the-truth-on-rossi-ih-affair/

    Could very well be true, let’s hope not. And if it is true, let’s hope the evil guys fail.

    A conspiracy! I love it, LOL! ;o)

    (just meaning I love conspiracy theories, they are so exciting, epic battles between good and evil, best entertainment on this planet, lol.
    Especially if they turn out to be true)

  • SG

    I’m not sure I buy it. Like I said when responding to you before (as you have posted this conjecture in quite a few places), there are many English-as-second-language speakers posting on Mr. Rossi’s blog and elsewhere. People are following this saga from around the world. In addition, if you look closely at the posting history on Mr. Rossi’s blog for the past few years, many posters have taken up the “Rossisms” and have echoed those in their posts. One example is “test on course.” But there are many others.

    Finally, even if Mr. Rossi is doing this himself (which I view as a possibility but an improbability), how does that make it any different from what Mr. Weaver has been doing?

  • SG

    I also see that you are a relatively new Disqus user–as of March 2016. Welcome to the melee!

    • bachcole

      This is a very civilized website, even if it is still a melee. (:->) But go outside this website, something I very rarely do, it is more like the Vikings versus the Genghis Khan.

  • jimbo92107

    I’m pretty sure what you’re claiming can be analyzed statistically. It’s also possible that a public forum has members from all parts of the world, and people of similar cultures do make similar mistakes in English grammar. Anybody here know how to do a statistical analysis of writing styles? Or how to trace IP addresses?

  • jimbo92107

    What makes little sense is that Rossi would continue to withhold the identity of his customer. Revealing the ratio of power cost versus power required for an industrial process would be a great way to bolster the credibility of his technology without revealing a thing about what’s in the box.

    I can see how Con Man Rossi would want to keep the game going, as con men do, by stringing everybody along with a series of increasingly wild and fabulous teasers, while withholding information that would verify his claims. Sadly, this is by far the simplest scenario.

    How does Honest Rossi benefit from this strategy? Explanations for that take us down a more and more convoluted, complicated path of skullduggery and conspiracies.

    A couple of simple steps would resolve this issue quickly. Release the ERV’s report, and reveal the identity of Rossi’s customer for the 350-day test. Between those two things Rossi could remove at least 90 percent of the unavoidable skepticism we see here. For the last 10 percent of skepticism, let’s see his match-sized 100 Watt Quark X powering a light bulb.

    • SG

      IH could release that information as well, at least the ERV report. It seems that IH would have known the true identity of the customer, but this part seems a little hazy. In any case, let’s hope that the justice system can shine some sunlight. It seems that both Mr. Rossi and IH are ready to let the case take its course. I do have some concern that one side or the other will attempt to file information under seal, although judges in the U.S. tend to prefer unsealed filings over sealed filings.

      • jimbo92107

        Haze is indeed the problem, and relying on a single point of communication failure named Andrea Rossi.

    • Omega Z

      Rossi has laid claim that IH breached the contract.

      However, there has been no court ruling as such. Hence, all agreements and NDA’s are still in force if only the contract has been paused. So unless exposed in the court proceedings, niether side can release the ERV report or any other details. To do so would put that party in breach of contract.

    • DrD

      How come you don’t know the cutomer identity? It’s no secret.

    • Warthog

      Perhaps the customer wishes to be kept anonymous. In which case, Rossi has no choice but to accede to those wishes. But why speculate?? It will all come out in court soon enough.

      • jimbo92107

        No need to speculate at all. This very website has contact with people that are attempting to replicate Rossi’s claims. As soon as they succeed, we can all celebrate. Before that, there is no reason to conclude anything, other than that resolving this question is taking a lot longer than any of us want.

        • Warthog

          I’m not concluding anything at all. But I do find it interesting to see a “handle” I have never seen on this forum before suddenly appear with a large number of negative posts.

          It is a pattern I have seen before, and very typical of skeptopathic behavior I have observed on other forums covering LENR…..but nowhere else on the internet.

          • jimbo92107

            What “handle,” me?? I appeared on this forum a few months ago after stumbling upon the youtube videos of the MIT colloquium recorded a couple years ago. I watched them all, looking for signs of bogosity. Didn’t see any. Peter Hagelstein impressed me as a sincere and dedicated scientist and a great theoretical physicist. His partner physicist invented the Nanor and Fusor devices, which I believe they are still trying to commercialize.

            From there I did a quick Google search for LENR, and guess what site popped up? This one. When I read that some guy named Rossi was actually testing a LENR reactor for almost a year, I was thrilled. As the Countdown Timer marched towards Zero, I hinted to friends that the age of Big Oil was about to end.

            And then the Big Report was delayed, for an unspecified time.
            And then Rossi said he was developing an electric Quark X.
            And then I heard that the “neutral” ERV was actually a buddy of Rossi’s.
            And then Rossi tells us about the impending lawsuit.

            We are now in the land of WTF. It is a large land with plenty of room for speculation. One of the few things I do know is that I miss the quiet, unassuming sincerity of Peter Hagelstein.

            You’re right that I’m a skeptic, but to label me a “skeptopath” is itself a sign of problematic credulity. You wouldn’t be the first one fooled by a clever scientific quack. Even if LENR is real, that does not protect a nacient technology from the manipulations of ruthless con men. Skepticism is not, as you suggest, a pathology. It is a vital tool for everyone that seeks to separate reality from a world full of baloney.

            If you still think I’m some sort of nefarious plant on one side or the other of this particular issue, then do the simplest thing – search my handle on google. Sorry to inform you, I’m a liberal that likes baseball. For your sake, I really hope that doesn’t seem sinister!

          • Warthog

            HONEST skepticism is not a pathology. It is what real scientists do.

            However, there is also “skepticism” which is dishonest (i.e. propaganda). Also sometimes called “pseudoskepticism”, it is rampant where cold fusion is discussed.

            The ultimate goal of skeptopath-ism is to shut down both discussion of and research into cold fusion.

            And I’m a conservative who can’t stand baseball.

          • jimbo92107

            But I can prove baseball exists. It’s a pretty important difference.

  • jimbo92107

    What makes little sense is that Rossi would continue to withhold the identity of his customer. Revealing the ratio of power cost versus power required for an industrial process would be a great way to bolster the credibility of his technology without revealing a thing about what’s in the box.

    I can see how Con Man Rossi would want to keep the game going, as con men do, by stringing everybody along with a series of increasingly wild and fabulous teasers, while withholding information that would verify his claims. Sadly, this is by far the simplest scenario.

    How does Honest Rossi benefit from this strategy? Explanations for that take us down a more and more convoluted, complicated path of skullduggery and conspiracies.

    A couple of simple steps would resolve this issue quickly. Release the ERV’s report, and reveal the identity of Rossi’s customer for the 350-day test. Between those two things Rossi could remove at least 90 percent of the unavoidable skepticism we see here. For the last 10 percent of skepticism, let’s see his match-sized 100 Watt Quark X powering a light bulb.

    • SG

      IH could release that information as well, at least the ERV report. It seems that IH would have known the true identity of the customer, but this part seems a little hazy. In any case, let’s hope that the justice system can shine some sunlight. It seems that both Mr. Rossi and IH are ready to let the case take its course. I do have some concern that one side or the other will attempt to file information under seal, although judges in the U.S. tend to prefer unsealed filings over sealed filings.

      • jimbo92107

        Haze is indeed the problem, and relying on a single point of communication failure named Andrea Rossi.

        • Steve Swatman

          I would like to ask if YOU have received any information from, IH, Cherokee, Darden or Vaughn that would lead you too have such a definitive opinion on only one side of the battle, the side that so far has given quite a lot of information.

          You do seem to have a rather one sided view, is that because you are paid to have a one sided opinion or because you do not know or follw AR’s comments or because you have information from the other side of the table that YOU are not sharing?

          • jimbo92107

            “…is that because you are paid to have a one sided opinion…”

            Dude, get a grip on reality. Andrea Rossi’s incredibly frequent comments don’t mean squat until after he as proved that he actually has a product that works. All I know about Rossi for sure is that he makes noises like somebody that might know something, which unfortunately fits the profile of how a con man behaves.

            Elusiveness is the one of the characteristics of a con man. His worst fear is getting caught red-handed faking what he claims, because that means jail time.

            Another characteristic is extravagant claims. What claim is more extravagant than limitless, dirt cheap, non-polluting energy? Maybe a pill that prevents all disease? No, we’re too smart to fall for that one, other than maybe all those multi-vitamins…

            Add to that the internet, a perfect environment to run a long con. The internet allows you to take advantage of all the factors that make a rumor work so well: A fabulous claim, an urgent need, no way to definitely confirm, and a wonderful way to amplify your bullshit with websites, email, and cheap graphics. Wanna see my private jet? Wanna see the skyscraper I built last week with just a spoon? Did you know I look just like a super model? I have pictures!

            I don’t want Andrea Rossi to be a con man, but his behavior fits the profile. He is very elusive, his claims grow increasingly fabulous, and I have yet to see anything that definitively proves his claims. Meanwhile, he uses his “Journal of Nuclear Physics” as a personal propaganda outlet.

            Please don’t get me wrong. LENR may be a real phenomenon, I just don’t know. It sure sounds neat, and it could represent the awesome source of power our species could surely use. But every time Andrea Rossi has a chance to show me his inventions are real, he finds an excuse to not show me. The 350-day test was supposed to show me, but now he won’t release the ERV report, written by a buddy. The contract with IH was supposed to produce a factory making e-cats, but now that’s all up in the air, while Rossi claims he’s going in a bold new direction with his all-new pure electric Quark X. 100 watts from a match stick! Fabulous!

            Show me!

          • roseland67

            agreed, I am also from “Missouri”

            I posted my interpretations and understandings of the ECAT in 2011 and was assaulted with ridicule, comments, pictures & labeled a “skeptopath”
            yet 5 years later? still no ECAT anywhere, kinda makes you want to go hmmm?
            Just accept the fact jimbo, that on this board, if you do not believe
            what you are told to believe, you too, will be labeled a skeptopath.

    • Omega Z

      Rossi has laid claim that IH breached the contract.

      However, there has been no court ruling as such. Hence, all agreements and NDA’s are still in force if only the contract has been paused. So unless exposed in the court proceedings, niether side can release the ERV report or any other details. To do so would put that party in breach of contract.

      • Charles Twain

        Are you sure, is there an NDA clause in the contract? Rossi has said that his lawyer has advised him not to release it but I don’t think the contract stipulates that the report is under NDA.

    • DrD

      How come you don’t know the cutomer identity? It’s no secret.

    • Warthog

      Perhaps the customer wishes to be kept anonymous. In which case, Rossi has no choice but to accede to those wishes. But why speculate?? It will all come out in court soon enough.

      • jimbo92107

        No need to speculate at all. This very website has contact with people that are attempting to replicate Rossi’s claims. As soon as they succeed, we can all celebrate. Before that, there is no reason to conclude anything, other than that resolving this question is taking a lot longer than any of us want.

        • Warthog

          I’m not concluding anything at all. But I do find it interesting to see a “handle” I have never seen on this forum before suddenly appear with a large number of negative posts.

          It is a pattern I have seen before, and very typical of skeptopathic behavior I have observed on other forums covering LENR…..but nowhere else on the internet.

          • jimbo92107

            What “handle,” me?? I appeared on this forum a few months ago after stumbling upon the youtube videos of the MIT colloquium recorded a couple years ago. I watched them all, looking for signs of bogosity. Didn’t see any. Peter Hagelstein impressed me as a sincere and dedicated scientist and a great theoretical physicist. His partner physicist invented the Nanor and Fusor devices, which I believe they are still trying to commercialize.

            From there I did a quick Google search for LENR, and guess what site popped up? This one. When I read that some guy named Rossi was actually testing a LENR reactor for almost a year, I was thrilled. As the Countdown Timer marched towards Zero, I hinted to friends that the age of Big Oil was about to end.

            And then the Big Report was delayed, for an unspecified time.
            And then Rossi said he was developing an electric Quark X.
            And then I heard that the “neutral” ERV was actually a buddy of Rossi’s.
            And then Rossi tells us about the impending lawsuit.

            We are now in the land of WTF. It is a large land with plenty of room for speculation. One of the few things I do know is that I miss the quiet, unassuming sincerity of Peter Hagelstein.

            You’re right that I’m a skeptic, but to label me a “skeptopath” is itself a sign of problematic credulity. You wouldn’t be the first one fooled by a clever scientific quack. Even if LENR is real, that does not protect a nacient technology from the manipulations of ruthless con men. Skepticism is not, as you suggest, a pathology. It is a vital tool for everyone that seeks to separate reality from a world full of baloney.

            If you still think I’m some sort of nefarious plant on one side or the other of this particular issue, then do the simplest thing – search my handle on google. Sorry to inform you, I’m a liberal that likes baseball. For your sake, I really hope that doesn’t seem sinister!

          • Warthog

            HONEST skepticism is not a pathology. It is what real scientists do.

            However, there is also “skepticism” which is dishonest (i.e. propaganda). Also sometimes called “pseudoskepticism”, it is rampant where cold fusion is discussed.

            The ultimate goal of skeptopath-ism is to shut down both discussion of and research into cold fusion.

            And I’m a conservative who can’t stand baseball.

          • jimbo92107

            But I can prove baseball exists. It’s a pretty important difference.

  • SG

    Nah. Most forums are populated by “fake” accounts. I have no idea whether you are “Alex Fenrick” or not. The Internet is pseudonymous by nature. It is not a crime to make a posting on the Internet under something other than your legal name. Just because you can track an IP (which in some cases, is not possible depending on the sophistication of the user), does not make pseudonymous posts in and of themselves illegal either.

    • Alex Fenrick

      While you are correct on the surface there with your perspective…I think it falls apart on a few fronts. First we are not talking about just some random internet troll…we are talking about the actions of the key figure in this “circus”…that is a significant difference. Next we have the point that Rossi himself is the one that adds much of the fuel to the fire in the “court of public opinion” that has evolved…so it causes it to look very disengenous. Then we have the issue that most of these fake user shenanigans he is playing is on his OWN site to push his agenda….you can’t cause a more shady perspective than that if you tried. Like it or not….in 2016….online forums are way more than what they used to be in human psyche…online communication and interaction is nowadays starting to overshadow that on non-online….this stuff really does matter nowadays. Trolls are one thing….what he is doing is a different animal. Again I have stated more than once that this is not a smoking gun or anything even close in this case….but it should be of interest when looked from the outside perspective. A good forensic analysis of ANYTHING absolutely takes things of this nature into account. Plus I never ever said it is illegal…not by a long shot…I said it looks shady and causes so much more reason for justified distrust in Rossi.

  • jimbo92107

    “…is that because you are paid to have a one sided opinion…”

    Dude, get a grip on reality. Andrea Rossi’s incredibly frequent comments don’t mean squat until after he as proved that he actually has a product that works. All I know about Rossi for sure is that he makes noises like somebody that might know something, which unfortunately fits the profile of how a con man behaves.

    Elusiveness is the one of the characteristics of a con man. His worst fear is getting caught red-handed faking what he claims, because that means jail time.

    Another characteristic is extravagant claims. What claim is more extravagant than limitless, dirt cheap, non-polluting energy? Maybe a pill that prevents all disease? No, we’re too smart to fall for that one, other than maybe all those multi-vitamins…

    Add to that the internet, a perfect environment to run a long con. The internet allows you to take advantage of all the factors that make a rumor work so well: A fabulous claim, an urgent need, no way to definitely confirm, and a wonderful way to amplify your bullshit with websites, email, and cheap graphics. Wanna see my private jet? Wanna see the skyscraper I built last week with just a spoon? Did you know I look just like a super model? I have pictures!

    I don’t want Andrea Rossi to be a con man, but his behavior fits the profile. He is very elusive, his claims grow increasingly fabulous, and I have yet to see anything that definitively proves his claims. Meanwhile, he uses his “Journal of Nuclear Physics” as a personal propaganda outlet.

    Please don’t get me wrong. LENR may be a real phenomenon, I just don’t know. It sure sounds neat, and it could represent the awesome source of power our species could surely use. But every time Andrea Rossi has a chance to show me his inventions are real, he finds an excuse to not show me. The 350-day test was supposed to show me, but now he won’t release the ERV report, written by a buddy. The contract with IH was supposed to produce a factory making e-cats, but now that’s all up in the air, while Rossi claims he’s going in a bold new direction with his all-new pure electric Quark X. 100 watts from a match stick! Fabulous!

    Show me!

  • roseland67

    Really, from you? Really?
    Please