Rossi Thinking About Using QuarkX for Charging EVs for Almost Infinite Range

Here’s another one word answer from Andrea Rossi, but it maybe gives a clue about what might be involved in the ‘surprise’ he referred to in connection with the E-Cat recently on the Journal of Nuclear Physics.

Italo R.
May 4, 2016 at 1:09 AM
Dear Dr. Rossi, I was thinking about electric cars. In this period there is much talk of Tesla and other electric cars. That’s where the E-Cat QuarkX might be useful. Putting on board a pack of E-Cat QuarkX used to always keep charging batteries, you would have a virtually infinite range.
This would be a market with enormous possibilities. Are you also thinking about this during your R&D?
My Best Regards,
Italo R.

Andrea Rossi
May 4, 2016 at 8:03
Italo R.:
Yes.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Rossi says that the E-Cat QuarkX can produce heat, light and electricity. If it does all three then it’s a very versatile technology, especially if it operates at a high COP. Right now GM’s Chevrolet Volt has an onboard gasoline generator that is used to charge the car’s battery and extend the driving range. Conceivably the same principle could be employed if you could get the QuarkX to be safe and reliable in a portable situation like in a vehicle.

Rossi has always said that for safety of operations the E-Cats need to have an external source of energy to drive them, so in an EV there would have to be some external electrical source on board with the QuarkX. But if the QuarkX produces electricity in large enough amounts to charge an EV’s battery it would seem to be a trivial thing to have some extra electricity left over to provide the needed input for the QuarkX. This does make me wonder about the ‘surprise’ Rossi has mentioned. What if Rossi has figured out a way to have the QuarkX self-sustain permanently and safely using the electricity it produces to power itself?

  • fritz194

    …That would make lots of sense. Especially in colder regions where the heat can be used for heating……

  • fritz194

    …That would make lots of sense. Especially in colder regions where the heat can be used for heating……

  • Loni Hull

    The QuarkX will need to output north of 100 kW or have a fairly large battery pack that charges while parked.

    Also, what training will be required of technicians, how often will the QuarkX require replacement (I’ll assume it will be a sealed/non-serviceable unit), and at what cost?

    I’m all for it, but these are questions that will require answers.

    • Gerard McEk

      That kind of power will only be required when increasing speed or driving uphill. Normal driving in a not too big car at 60Mph (100 km/h) requires about 20 kW. A combination of a multiple QuarkX pack of 20 kW and a big battery pack like Tesla’s seems a nice combination.

      • DrD

        And if AR’s estimate of 20kW being the size of a cigarette packet is near the mark I can imagine a couple of 100kW modules the size of a very small car battery. One possible way to manage it would be for them to be user friendly plug in replacements so no need for a technician. The used one being exchanged and refurbished.
        I suggest two 100kW to allow for the reduction in output expected when on 100% electric and to give some redundancy. The vehicle will need to be a hybrid but with much reduced battery requirement compared to current models.

      • Anon2012_2014

        Could get away with half the battery pack of a Tesla with on-board regeneration and steady state technology. Pure electric range only need be the equivalent of 50 miles (i.e. an hour of hard driving out stripping the generator) to handle almost all conceivable recharging scenarios with an on-board generator. At highway speed 20 kW seems about right for a straight and level limited access highway powering a small car. I have a mid-sized, and I calculate it needs about 28-30 kW here in the States at 75 mph or 120 kph. Up-hill one would need more power — the unit needs to be designed to pull up the steepest mountain pass at reasonable speed before running out of battery charge (knowing that both regenerative braking and the generator can fully recharge on the downside assuming reasonable net loss). This is all OBVIOUS algebra and therefore not patentable.

        • DrD

          Don’t forget Rossi said it isn’t as efficient when producing electric but won’t say how much (F8) so 20kWe might need a 50kWt. Not a problem though if each QuarkX is only the size of a pencil.

      • Loni Hull

        I want to go faster than that 😉

        • clovis ray

          lol, in a t- model,ford, come on guy, this is fresh new stuff , everyone needs to start thinking what they want to do with this new power source,
          The sky’s the limit, new stuff here anything is possible, and almost everything else needs improved, just pick your field, pick your heart’s desire,And go for it, cars is just one things, almost everything you can think of will need cat power.

    • clovis ray

      HI lorin,
      The new new ecatxq,can produce as much power as needed, like lego blocks they snap together, each one has a 100w capacity,with replacement, once a year,
      The cost will be so low no one can compete, just to answer a few questions for you,as you can well imagine, your’s are not the first time those same questions have been ask, over the years, but no prob, there is a lot of info here on page. if you are interested,

    • You could in theory estimate that a 20 kW (electric) E-Cat X plus seven 60 Ah 12 V batteries could be enough to manage normal driving. Just add to that the required input power for the reactor plus the possible extra horsepower you need for sporty driving.

  • MLWerner

    I haven’t checked lately, but the gasoline engine in an original Chevy Volt drives the wheels and does not charge the battery. I think it was an odd choice by GM but that isn’t the first time they made an odd decision.

    • peacelovewoodstock

      MLWerner, I believe you are mistaken; the gasoline engine in the original (and current generation, not to make a pun) Volt operated in two modes, primarily to power a generator when needed, and at times (determined by onboard computer), to also supply additional motive power directly to the drive train.

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        I thought the Volt engine only drove a generator…….and there was no mechanical linkage between the engine and the drivetrain.

  • MLWerner

    I haven’t checked lately, but the gasoline engine in an original Chevy Volt drives the wheels and does not charge the battery. I think it was an odd choice by GM but that isn’t the first time they made an odd decision.

    • peacelovewoodstock

      MLWerner, I believe you are mistaken; the gasoline engine in the original (and current generation, not to make a pun) Volt operated in two modes, primarily to power a generator when needed, and at times (determined by onboard computer), to also supply additional motive power directly to the drive train.

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        I thought the Volt engine only drove a generator…….and there was no mechanical linkage between the engine and the drivetrain.

        • nope, on a rare occasion it does both. think long stretches of up hill climbing, that’s when the engine helps drive the wheels directly. but most of the time the volt acts like serial hybrid.

  • roseland67

    GM, Ford, Chrysler, BMW, Audi etc
    All have staggering $$$$$ invested in ICE assets and cannot simply quit using them because a disruptive technology arrives.
    It appears that an all electric drive train with a small on board duty specific generator, (solely to charge battery) would be best alternative, as you realize the incredible efficiency of electric drive and emission benefits but can also utilize the existing fueling infrastructure for extended trips, eliminating the entire argument of range anxiety, it just isn’t that hard to figure out.
    The dinosaur gear heads just don’t get it, they really think we all want more hp.

    • SteveA

      I’ve thought for a long time that this is the best solution. The generator would need to be big enough to keep the battery level constant with a fully loaded vehicle over the longest/steepest hill, plus power conversion losses. During most conditions you would use a fraction of that. The battery is really a buffer, so you could probably get away with <20kWhr for most vehicles, which is still enough to go about 60 miles without the generator. In today's world a large car maker would probably need only 3 different size engines to share across car/truck lines, with sizes much smaller than today as they don't have to provide acceleration. Maybe 50 kW (67 hP) for a family sedan, or 110 kW (150 hP) for a pickup, depending on conversion efficiency and other losses. Differentiation between high end/economy cars is in the electric motors,and maybe NVH of the generator. As the technology changes to different generator technologies (Ecat) the electrical side wouldn't need to change.

      • roseland67

        Between me, you and the fence post, I wouldn’t count on any version of the Ecat doing any generation of electricity for automobiles anytime in the next 20 years.
        “I could be wrong, but I don’t think so”
        Charles Barkley

        • DrD

          Why not?
          It’s a no brainer.

    • Omega Z

      The dinosaur gear heads sell a lot of cars pandering to those who want more HP. In fact, that’s where nearly all of the profits come from.

      • one of the reason why Tesla’s vehicles are so well received is the no-pause, ludicrously powerful acceleration provided by the electric drive train.

    • These companies will have no choice but to abandon the ICE. It will be gone in about ten years. ICE’s are the film in film cameras when electric motors are the CCDs that are already proven and available for sale.

      • roseland67

        Don’t think they can just abandon their ICE infrastructure, they have multiple buildings in many states with thousands of employees and processes that they just can’t unplug and stop.
        This is why they are doing the “duck dodge and hide, flee, avoid and evade” tactics when asked about their plans to develop electric drive train platforms.
        It will cost them to much $$$$$ and they are not ready yet. So they will find “Focus Groups” that say they don’t want electric cars, and show this to the media.

  • DrD

    Frank, that puzzled me about him not wanting to power an E-CATx from it’s own electric via a battery for safety reasons. WHY? I could only think that some thing catastrophic will happen if for some reason the power (via the battery) fails, meaning he needs a guaranteed supply but even mains (grid) isn’t that. It seems hard to believe.

    • Rene

      A few years back Rossi said (yeah I know ‘said’) that it took frequencies to start SSM, and that it took energy (undisclosed which/how) to quench a runaway reaction. This is why an external source of power is needed. But, recently he said that he could achieve high COP (via SSM) and also stay away from runaway reactions. Maybe that is what he learned while living in the container. And, maybe that it what he did not give IH.
      In any case, it is long past time to show the world something that works, not hear-say but something people can try. Looking forward to that day. Until then, this is remains speculative entertainment.

      • DrD

        I see AR adressed that very issue last night, together with my other point about recharging, makes me wonder if Giuseppe is alias AR.

  • DrD

    Frank, that puzzled me about him not wanting to power an E-CATx from it’s own electric via a battery for safety reasons. WHY? I could only think that some thing catastrophic will happen if for some reason the power to the controls (via the battery) fails, meaning he needs a guaranteed supply but even mains (grid) isn’t that. It seems hard to believe.

    • Rene

      A few years back Rossi said (yeah I know ‘said’) that it took frequencies to start SSM, and that it took energy (undisclosed which/how) to quench a runaway reaction. This is why an external source of power is needed. But, recently he said that he could achieve high COP (via SSM) and also stay away from runaway reactions. Maybe that is what he learned while living in the container. And, maybe that it what he did not give IH.
      In any case, it is long past time to show the world something that works, not hear-say but something people can try. Looking forward to that day. Until then, this is remains speculative entertainment.

      • DrD

        I see AR adressed that very issue last night, together with my other point about recharging, makes me wonder if Giuseppe is alias AR.

  • Gunnar Lindberg

    That makes sense if the new customer is Elon Musk!

    • Jonnyb

      Let us hope it is someone of this stature.

    • Alex Fenrick

      Now we are REALLY getting into the conspiracy theory realm there! lol That is our job as the skeptics!!

  • Observer

    In order to avoid the E-Cat being considered part of the drive train (and subject to government regulation), 2 batteries would be required: One only connected to the E-Cat Quark X(s) for recharging and one only connected to the car. The batteries would switch their connections when the one powering the car got too low.

    • DrD

      It’s a good chance it might work as a “work around” but at the end of the day we need proper certification and I’m sure AR sees it as a major hurdle to overcome. He’s said (for certification) Industrialisation will be easier and once it’s in widespread use in industry it will help us with home or auto use. Shame about the impact on timescales though. It never was going to be a “walk over”, thanks to the Skeptics and those with vested intersts in blocking it of which I think we see not a few posting here.

  • Observer

    In order to avoid the E-Cat being considered part of the drive train (and subject to government regulation), 2 batteries would be required: One only connected to the E-Cat Quark X(s) for recharging and one only connected to the car. The batteries would switch their connections when the one powering the car got too low.

    • Alex Fenrick

      I believe that kinda defeats the purpose of what the Rossi-follwers are hoping for out of a QuarkX powered EV. Unless the QuarkX is on board…you are really in no different position than EV owners today except cheaper power. Don’t get me wrong…cheaper power would be AWESOME…but unless I am mistaken the followers here are more interested in unlimited miles or close to that via SSM or the likes. Again this is just my perspective…I may be off base on this…

      • Observer

        Both sets of batteries and the E-CAT QuarkX(s) are in the car. Switching occurs automatically.

        Otherwise, expect a decade of red tape.

        • Alex Fenrick

          That doesn’t make any sense. The fact of having the QuarkX(s) in the car is what would cause the decades of red tape with the DOT/government. The switching methodology is irrelevant.

          • Observer

            Having gasoline in a container in your trunk is considered transporting hazardous material, but having gasoline in the gas tank of your car is not. What you are transporting is not part of the car.

          • Alex Fenrick

            Observer…while that is a creative loophole thought..it would never hold water. If the QuarkX was in the vehicle for any purpose other than transporation it would be considered part of the power train. The DOT would never accept a situation where it is cargo until it needs to be hooked up…at that very moment it would turn to an integral part of the vehicle. What you propose is just not true.

          • Observer
          • Alex Fenrick

            Comparing an emergency car battery booster that you can buy at Walmart to a Low Energy Nuclear Reaction device is beyond absurd. Not only have battery boosters been certified time and time again as companies have manufactured them, but the batteries inside have been tested and certified and used for many years. You are comparing off the shelf known products that have been tested, certified and used for literally decades to a brand new, untested, uncertified device using new fringe cutting edge untested uncertified technology. With all due respect, I do not think you have an understanding of how certifications of devices works or how DOT departments work anywhere. What you are speculating is just so far from reality.

    • DrD

      It’s a good chance it might work as a “work around” but at the end of the day we need proper certification and I’m sure AR sees it as a major hurdle to overcome. He’s said (for certification) Industrialisation will be easier and once it’s in widespread use in industry it will help us with home or auto use. Shame about the impact on timescales though. It never was going to be a “walk over”, thanks to the Skeptics and those with vested intersts in blocking it of which I think we see not a few posting here.

  • Jonnyb

    Let us hope it is someone of this stature.

  • Bob Matulis

    I think it is premature to be talking about applications. Rossi needs to demonstrate what it is and that it works first. If his claims are true it would be very easy to create a “black box” type of demonstration that could unambiguously show that no power is going into it yet its SSM is providing the energy. Anything else and I consider his claims “to good to be true”.

  • Bob Matulis

    I think it is premature to be talking about applications. Rossi needs to demonstrate what it is and that it works first. If his claims are true it would be very easy to create a “black box” type of demonstration that could unambiguously show that no power is going into it yet its SSM is providing the energy. Anything else and I consider his claims “to good to be true”.

  • I am waiting.
    I am still waiting.
    I am waiting some more.
    Is it Christmass yet?
    Yes I know two s’s.

  • I am waiting.
    I am still waiting.
    I am waiting some more.
    Is it Christmass yet?
    Yes I know two s’s.

  • Anon2012_2014

    Q, “Putting on board [an electric car] a pack of E-Cat QuarkX used to always keep charging batteries, you would have a virtually infinite range. This would be a market with enormous possibilities. Are you also thinking about this during your R&D?”

    A. “Yes” (Duh!!)

    These _leading_ questions with obvious answers that Rossi only needs to answer with one or two words are like leading the witness. The concept of putting an LENR electric generator in an electric car is obvious, i.e. not novel or patentable to anyone. The question is an apparent positive setup by someone friendly looking to help Rossi.

    I know we are in a news vacuum due to this unfortunate legal dispute between two parties. From this reader’s perspective, both think they are legally and morally right. Only one will win unfortunately — what a sad state of affairs for all concerned except the lawyers. However, in this observer’s opinion, reporting on Rossi setup questions with obvious answers doesn’t really do anything for us.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      I much agree.
      The announcements by Rossi these days much seem like posturing or showmanship. While all fun and games, I actually commend the lighter and perhaps more skeptical attitude I seen rise up since the lawsuit. Such answers from Rossi really amounts to nothing for LENR.

      However, Rossi credibility has been damaged.
      In other words, as that old commercial sated – where’s the beef?

      Announcements about flying cars, electric ecats etc. is all fun and games at this point in time.

      Rossi has to get a product into the marketplace and all these announcements are rather hollow and simply a magic trick to misdirect the public away from the recent setbacks.

      If the pubic posting on Rossi site stopped this clown show, and all readers and posts pushed Rossi for say allow MMFP to test a device, Rossi could regain much needed credibility.

      As long as the posters on Rossi site entertain and go “oh” and “ah” over flying cars etc., the longer this side show will continue.

      The people posting and who entertain Rossi will get in return from Rossi EXACTLY how they behave and what they demand!

      At the end of the day, Rossi does not owe the public some validation of his ecat, the market will eventually ferret this issue out. For me, Rossi is on a short rope these days.
      it now becomes a question of what kind of ride we want from now to
      the point that the market can validate the ecat.

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • Anon2012_2014

        “it now becomes a question of what kind of ride we want from now to
        the point that the market can validate the ecat.”

        What kind of “ride we [I] want”:

        I want full public validation yesterday (i.e. ASAP).

        It doesn’t have to be MFMP. It could be any reputable university or commercial lab. But I want all the technology for the replication to be made public so that multiple university and commercial labs could prove it. I don’t buy the “competition” reason for not publicly testing and publicly giving all information needed to replicate by labs. If there is secret sauce, file a provisional patent now (takes 2 days) and then go public in three days. There is way too much “wait and see” until the next test, secret customer, etc… for me.

        • Iggy Dalrymple

          An early adopter neighbor would satisfy my curiosity.
          .

          • Albert D. Kallal

            I don’t think Rossi will recover from the current situation until such time a customer or credible test occurs.

          • clovis ray

            NOPE, The only thing he will show, will be to his new associates,-partners, producers, and with the use of 3d printers there is virtually nothing that can’t be reproduced, quickly and by the masses, and the folks are not penny ante, like, I/H heat, as for i can see I/H was never a team player, the only time we seen darden was at a conference in europe , absolutely no communications with our group at all, and i know he was contacted many times, but nothing.

          • passerby

            Why wouldn’t it work, there is nothing fundamentally different between the ecat and many of the other successful LENR tests over the years.

      • Omega Z

        A lot of people are going to be disappointed about Flying Cars.
        They imagine jumping in and flying across town to a friends or the grocery store etc. Not going to happen. The reason we don’t have flying cars today has nothing to do with energy and such. We have helicopters which indicates flying cars should be easy. It’s about practicality and (Many issues) of safety along with cost.

        Should they ever overcome the safety issues and cost, one will still need to arrive and depart from airports and follow all aviation rules & regulations.

        • SG

          Dream a little. The electric powered self-flying personal drones are the future of personal flight. Battery life is a limiting factor. QuarkX would do wonders. Sure, there will still need to be designated landing areas/pads, but with the right mix of technologies, nothing like the airports required today.

          • Omega Z

            I have no doubt that there will be, “personal onboard flying drones” in the future. Along with designated areas of use similar to hang gliding and such. A hobby.

            Large volumes of inducted air, whirling blades, large amounts of flying debris, dust and sand over private airspace… These are just a few of the reasons flying cars are designed with the intent of driving to the airport to fly. They will require a pilot license and follow FFA rules just like regular airplanes. Most of the laws and regulations already exist that prohibit what you and others envision.

            Some places in the U.S. have already passed laws against flying over private property. Only 2 legal questions that haven’t been answered yet is how high my personal airspace extends and does it apply to government as well as individuals.

          • SG

            You make some good points, but bear in mind, paradigms can and do change with the advancement of technology. If future personal electric-powered drones prove to have built-in redundancies making them far safer than helicopters and other flying vehicles, then public sentiment and policy will adapt. People really hate traffic and the dreaded commute. Also, NASA is already developing the “rules of the sky” in anticipation that the skies of today will be the highways of tomorrow.

            Such “sky highways” could route around heavily populated areas, and perhaps even have a 1-to-1 correspondence with present major roads and highways. With already-existent GPS technology and autonomous drone intelligence, you can imagine that much of the “expertise” of flying will be taken out, and the ability for the masses to navigate the skies can potentially take hold. Will a license be required? Yes, probably, just like driving a car. I think a more interesting question is will licenses be required to ride in a self-driving car in the relatively distant future (maybe 20 years from now)? If not, will licenses be required to ride in a self-flying drone? Interesting to ponder.

          • Omega Z

            Note, I’m not against them, I just see to many issues that can’t be avoided.
            Besides, When they fall out of the Sky, It’s gonna hurt when they land on you.

            Why would they fall out of the Sky.

            Like road rage, you’ll have sky rage.

            I personally want shields, lasers and phaser’s at the ready.
            Maybe some photon torpedoes and a rail gun. as well
            🙂

    • Omega Z

      ->”Rossi setup questions” Conspiracy Much?

      Really?

      This is merely a long time Rossi follower asking a question on JONP similar to many others and “Yes”, it has an obvious simple answer. be it Yes or No.

      Also, the “not novel or patentable to anyone” doesn’t matter. Rossi would merely sell them energy cells. In addition, there would be patents on various industry techniques or designs used to incorporate them into the vehicles. And this would obviously not stop other vehicle manufactures of utilizing this. Only that they would need to develop their own techique or design.

      Anyway, as Alex points out below, it will take years even if Quark technology was in production at this moment. Lots of tests and Government required R&D and regulations.

      • Anon2012_2014

        ‘Really? This is merely a long time Rossi follower asking a question on JONP similar to many others and “Yes”, it has an obvious simple answer.’ [Yes]

        Really. The question is rhetorical and is not news. So why does it get a headline. This is not news.

        News is the recent post about H + Li7 -> Be8 on both JONP and leonardocorporation.com (see the section “the Rossi effect”). That’s a worthy discussion thread. Attaboy high five setup questions on Xcats for Telsas — are “Really” not worthy of an entire discussion thread. It is simply not news.

    • LilyLover

      This trial is more about whether the US justice system is completely bought up and paid for by the fear or whether there exists an iota of decency about care to pretend to be moral.
      That is what’s on trial, not Dr. Rossi. Businessmen are afraid – that is a give. Cowards lie. History teaches us that. So, no surprises there.
      This is a battle between bias for brighter future vs preservation of top tier hegemony.
      We’ll see.
      Regardless of the outcome, E-Cat will propel cars into perpetuity, soon enough.

      • DrD

        Well hopefully the Jury will be strustworthy but I suppose even that’s not to be taken forgranted

      • LarryJ

        It’s just a patent war. I think you are reading too much into it. The court case is a sideshow and it won’t have any effect on IH and Leonardo bringing competitive products to market. Patent wars run for years.

    • DrD

      It does make one wonder if Giuseppe is an alias for AR, along with Jacky.
      After all, I and others did post both those questions here yesterday.

  • Anon2012_2014

    Q, “Putting on board [an electric car] a pack of E-Cat QuarkX used to always keep charging batteries, you would have a virtually infinite range. This would be a market with enormous possibilities. Are you also thinking about this during your R&D?”

    A. “Yes” (Duh!!)

    These _leading_ questions with obvious answers that Rossi only needs to answer with one or two words are like leading the witness. The concept of putting an LENR electric generator in an electric car is obvious, i.e. not novel or patentable to anyone. The question is an apparent positive setup by someone friendly looking to help Rossi.

    I know we are in a news vacuum due to this unfortunate legal dispute between two parties. From this reader’s perspective, both think they are legally and morally right. Only one will win unfortunately — what a sad state of affairs for all concerned except the lawyers. However, in this observer’s opinion, reporting on Rossi setup questions with obvious answers doesn’t really do anything for us.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      I much agree.
      The announcements by Rossi these days much seem like posturing or showmanship. While all fun and games, I actually commend the lighter and perhaps more skeptical attitude I seen rise up since the lawsuit. Such answers from Rossi really amounts to nothing for LENR.

      However, Rossi credibility has been damaged.
      In other words, as that old commercial sated – where’s the beef?

      Announcements about flying cars, electric ecats etc. is all fun and games at this point in time.

      Rossi has to get a product into the marketplace and all these announcements are rather hollow and simply a magic trick to misdirect the public away from the recent setbacks.

      If the pubic posting on Rossi site stopped this clown show, and all readers and posts pushed Rossi for say allow MMFP to test a device, Rossi could regain much needed credibility.

      As long as the posters on Rossi site entertain and go “oh” and “ah” over flying cars etc., the longer this side show will continue.

      The people posting and who entertain Rossi will get in return from Rossi EXACTLY how they behave and what they demand!

      At the end of the day, Rossi does not owe the public some validation of his ecat, the market will eventually ferret this issue out. For me, Rossi is on a short rope these days.
      it now becomes a question of what kind of ride we want from now to
      the point that the market can validate the ecat.

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • Anon2012_2014

        “it now becomes a question of what kind of ride we want from now to
        the point that the market can validate the ecat.”

        What kind of “ride we [I] want”:

        I want full public validation yesterday (i.e. ASAP).

        It doesn’t have to be MFMP. It could be any reputable university or commercial lab. But I want all the technology for the replication to be made public so that multiple university and commercial labs could prove it. I don’t buy the “competition” reason for not publicly testing and publicly giving all information needed to replicate by labs. If there is secret sauce, file a provisional patent now (takes 2 days) and then go public in three days. There is way too much “wait and see” until the next test, secret customer, etc… for me.

        • Iggy Dalrymple

          An early adopter neighbor would satisfy my curiosity.
          .

          • Albert D. Kallal

            I don’t think Rossi will recover from the current situation until such time a customer or credible test occurs.

          • clovis ray

            NOPE, The only thing he will show, will be to his new associates,-partners, producers, and with the use of 3d printers there is virtually nothing that can’t be reproduced, quickly and by the masses, and the folks are not penny ante, like, I/H heat, as for i can see I/H was never a team player, the only time we seen darden was at a conference in europe , absolutely no communications with our group at all, and i know he was contacted many times, but nothing.

      • satyavan

        Scientists will not believe MMFP or the sceptics because they argue MMFP is biased (like scientists chasing Higgs particle are biased so the evidence(s) cannot be true its cooked). Those people will come up with zillions of arguments why the device cannot work despite the results. As Rossi said when the market is (flooded) with ecats then no denying is possible, but that takes time.

        • Albert D. Kallal

          I mostly agree. Skeptics will remain skeptics. And yes many a mainstream scientist will remain as such.

          SRI would be far better for a test if the science community is the intended audience.

          However, a test run by MMFP would hold much credibility for the public that is following this issue. And magazines like Popular Science and journalists like Matts Lewan would thus have a great piece of beef to chew on, and a GREAT story to bring to the public.

          Even a good test from SRI will NOT convince scientist until such time devices are purchased and tested by universities.

          However, a test from MMFP showing a clear 3+ COP would most certainly help the overall community in terms of credibility.

          Rossi has a credibility issue right now.

          We simply don’t know how well what Rossi has works.

          Rossi may well dig himself out of this hole, but until such time, speculative performance means speculative and spotty support of Rossi’s work.

          This is just the way things are! I only the messenger here, but Rossi lost tons of support, and such support will not be re-gained by talking about flying cars, or some new next gen ecat.

          Regards,
          Albert D. Kallal
          Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • Omega Z

        A lot of people are going to be disappointed about Flying Cars.
        They imagine jumping in and flying across town to a friends or the grocery store etc. Not going to happen. The reason we don’t have flying cars today has nothing to do with energy and such. We have helicopters which indicates flying cars should be easy. It’s about practicality and (Many issues) of safety along with cost.

        Should they ever overcome the safety issues and cost, one will still need to arrive and depart from airports and follow all aviation rules & regulations.

        • SG

          Dream a little. The electric powered self-flying personal drones are the future of personal flight. Battery life is a limiting factor. QuarkX would do wonders. Sure, there will still need to be designated landing areas/pads, but with the right mix of technologies, nothing like the airports required today.

          • Omega Z

            I have no doubt that there will be, “personal onboard flying drones” in the future. Along with designated areas of use similar to hang gliding and such. A hobby.

            Large volumes of inducted air, whirling blades, large amounts of flying debris, dust and sand over private airspace… These are just a few of the reasons flying cars are designed with the intent of driving to the airport to fly. They will require a pilot license and follow FFA rules just like regular airplanes. Most of the laws and regulations already exist that prohibit what you and others envision.

            Some places in the U.S. have already passed laws against flying over private property. Only 2 legal questions that haven’t been answered yet is how high my personal airspace extends and does it apply to government as well as individuals.

          • SG

            You make some good points, but bear in mind, paradigms can and do change with the advancement of technology. If future personal electric-powered drones prove to have built-in redundancies making them far safer than helicopters and other flying vehicles, then public sentiment and policy will adapt. People really hate traffic and the dreaded commute. Also, NASA is already developing the “rules of the sky” in anticipation that the skies of today will be the highways of tomorrow.

            Such “sky highways” could route around heavily populated areas, and perhaps even have a 1-to-1 correspondence with present major roads and highways. With already-existent GPS technology and autonomous drone intelligence, you can imagine that much of the “expertise” of flying will be taken out, and the ability for the masses to navigate the skies can potentially take hold. Will a license be required? Yes, probably, just like driving a car. I think a more interesting question is will licenses be required to ride in a self-driving car in the relatively distant future (maybe 20 years from now)? If not, will licenses be required to ride in a self-flying drone? Interesting to ponder.

          • Omega Z

            Note, I’m not against them, I just see to many issues that can’t be avoided.
            Besides, When they fall out of the Sky, It’s gonna hurt when they land on you.

            Why would they fall out of the Sky.

            Like road rage, you’ll have sky rage.

            I personally want shields, lasers and phaser’s at the ready.
            Maybe some photon torpedoes and a rail gun. as well
            🙂

    • roseland67

      Anon,
      The question is does the Ecat work as stated?
      That’s the only question, and no one here knows the answer.

      • clovis ray

        come on buddy, to believe that, you would also have to believe, the yearlong test was also a conspiracy as well, yeah well’, you would have to be delusional.

        • Lux Terrea

          Got any evidence on the results of that year long test? No. We have only hearsay as to what any of the details were.

          • clovis ray

            you forgot the horse’s mouth it seems, to state anything else would be a lie, so are you calling Dr.R, a liar, he said it was not good but fantastic with a cop of 50 remember, do you have a participant of that test as we , do, that says differently, i think not. and as everyone knows the ball is in their I/H’s side of the court. what have you heard from them,,, the silence is deafening,

        • Just me

          Not only isn’t there no proof that it worked, put his partner pulled out over it!

          • Andrew

            From what I have read, Rossi pulled out and filed a lawsuit for breach of contract not IH. Normally a fraudster/scammer wants to stay as far away from court as possible. By this time Rossi has already collected $11.5M, more than enough to live the rest of his live on a boat loaded with cocane and hookers. Why risk a legal battle with your “fake machine”?

            Rossi is either insanely delusional along with Penon or he has the goods.

          • clovis ray

            Hi, guys,
            He does that to people, no matter who your, he lights the light, in people, and they have to carry it or try and put it out,
            thier choice, I call this new light,the Rossi effect, or radiation,might be better.
            and i think i know, how Dr. Rossi does things, i have followed him very closely almost daily for at least 5 years, cold fusion much longer,
            And to my knowledge, he is a very honest man and is trying his dead level best, to put this new product out to where it is most needed first .
            it just i believe there is no way, someone could perpetuate such a gigantic and long lasting scam where the scammer gets his money and don’t run away, lol so elementary my dear watson.
            So guys get onboard, and be happy, all you have to do is enjoy the ride.
            It will just be a short time now, And we should be concentrating on,
            What great things you could use the cat for new products, and new and improved models, of existing things that need power.

        • roseland67

          Clovis,
          Not delusional, just an engineer that wants to “KNOW” not be told.
          Same mindset I have had for as along as I can remember.
          Hope this works as stated, but as usual, my “spider sense is still tingling” and it has been since January 2011

          • clovis ray

            Come on fellow, so would you say that his product is better now or not based on what you think you know, back in 2011,
            Like all good scientist he wants full knowledge of his discovery and bring out it secrets and for it to be the best it can be, and will last a long time, and he will sale you a little cartridge once a year and also to develop it into many other wonderful things still unknown. i feel had he choose a different path, with lots of people involved, we would not be this far ahead of the game, i personally am very pleased with his demeanor,
            and insight on how this very important, God sent, should be distributed to the masses, we all count, and so does our world, saving it will be one of the most satisfying, thing of all….for now,,,smile.

          • roseland67

            Clovis Ray,

            What “I think I knew in 2011”?
            I knew nothing, just like today.
            No one here can say they know the Ecat works, they can only say that based on some compelling evidence they they think it works.
            Imagine yourself in court on a witness stand under oath and a lawyer asking you very pointed questions about what you “know” about Ecat.
            In reality you “know” nothing and that would be obvious to the entire court in a very short time.
            Now, if you were asked what you believe and hope to be true, that would be different.

        • Alex Fenrick

          Clovis, you are evidently the only person who got to view the report of the year long test…we are all still waiting. Unfortunately it will be of little value to most as it is not an independent test. I don’t quite see the delusional component on roseland’s point…in fact quite the contrary.

    • Alex Fenrick

      I have to agree…so premature to be talking about grandiose applications like powering an EV with QuarkX when we don’t even know if it works let alone be viable for an EV. Even if QuarkX was to be proven to be viable for EV use…the governmental regulations, testing and certifications would be monumental and last many years before actual certification for the road. There would be SO much engineering after certification for the QuarkX to be coupled to the drivetrain, safety concerns, monitoring and control systems…oh the list could go on all day. Rossi…lets get a product out of the shadows…then we can talk about changing the world….

      • Lux Terrea

        Thank you!

      • Omega Z

        I find myself much in agreement with you post. Especially the governmental regulations and so on. It will take years. Even Rossi is aware of this and has stated such much to the chagrin of his followers.

      • LarryJ

        There is a huge need for this tech and it is a bonafide paradigm shift. As a result I think the focus will be so intense and the human resources brought to bear so great that many of your concerns will be fast tracked. Any country that allows themselves to be held back by bureaucracy will concede this extremely important market to the competition.

        • Alex Fenrick

          Do you have some examples of this happening in the past with any other technologies that would demand such deep and rigorous testing as would the QuarkX being on board a vehicle. Just the crash testing alone would be deeply extensive…I can’t imagine this being fast tracked in the name of safety…

      • clovis ray

        you must think it simple to change the world, why are you fighting it so hard, and don’t give me that old i’m a sceptic crap, you know exactly what you think your doing, but your way obvious, and we have a s_it load, of scepticism here and don’t any more,

        • Alex Fenrick

          What exactly are you implying here Clovis? I have said over and over countless times that I am open to the possibility of LENR, but I no longer trust Rossi at this point for many reasons that have been discussed at length. Please be clear of what you are accusing me of when you say “you know exactly what you think your doing, but your way obvious”. I believe I have made my perspective on matters here quite clear.

    • Omega Z

      ->”Rossi setup questions” Conspiracy Much?

      Really?

      This is merely a long time Rossi follower asking a question on JONP similar to many others and “Yes”, it has an obvious simple answer. be it Yes or No.

      Also, the “not novel or patentable to anyone” doesn’t matter. Rossi would merely sell them energy cells. In addition, there would be patents on various industry techniques or designs used to incorporate them into the vehicles. And this would obviously not stop other vehicle manufactures of utilizing this. Only that they would need to develop their own techique or design.

      Anyway, as Alex points out below, it will take years even if Quark technology was in production at this moment. Lots of tests and Government required R&D and regulations.

      • Anon2012_2014

        ‘Really? This is merely a long time Rossi follower asking a question on JONP similar to many others and “Yes”, it has an obvious simple answer.’ [Yes]

        Really. The question is rhetorical and is not news. So why does it get a headline. This is not news.

        News is the recent post about H + Li7 -> Be8 on both JONP and leonardocorporation.com (see the section “the Rossi effect”). That’s a worthy discussion thread. Attaboy high five setup questions on Xcats for Telsas — are “Really” not worthy of an entire discussion thread. It is simply not news.

    • LilyLover

      This trial is more about whether the US justice system is completely bought up and paid for by the fear or whether there exists an iota of decency about care to pretend to be moral.
      That is what’s on trial, not Dr. Rossi. Businessmen are afraid – that is a give. Cowards lie. History teaches us that. So, no surprises there.
      This is a battle between bias for brighter future vs preservation of top tier hegemony.
      We’ll see.
      Regardless of the outcome, E-Cat will propel cars into perpetuity, soon enough.

      • DrD

        Well hopefully the Jury will be strustworthy but I suppose even that’s not to be taken forgranted

      • LarryJ

        It’s just a patent war. I think you are reading too much into it. The court case is a sideshow and it won’t have any effect on IH and Leonardo bringing competitive products to market. Patent wars run for years.

    • DrD

      It does make one wonder if Giuseppe is an alias for AR, along with Jacky.
      After all, I and others did post both those questions here yesterday.

  • PappyYokum

    Rossi was talking about a jet engine application some months back, which would imply the E-Cat would not be hooked to the grid for that.

    Someone recently set a record flying over a mile on a “hover board” – basically a drone with a place to put your feet. It is all just fantasy at this point, but jet packs would be cool.
    I anxiously await something tangible.

    • Omega Z

      Rossi consults with an engineer who is studying the possibilty of jet engine applications of the “Quark”. ( The engineer has some indirect connection to aircraft manufacturing. ) Rossi himself has stated that jet engines are not in his forte.

      The only thing that would be unrealistic is if no one was looking at the possibilties. Regardless whether the Quark is as advertised.

      The above is reasonably accurate, but bears no resemblance to what you read on the blogs. Kind of like the 1MW test “Average” COP>50 is well known on the blogs, but has no real source. Not from Rossi or what was partially revealed in the law suit.

      • DrD

        What makes you discount that the law suit revealed an average COP>50?

        • psi2u2

          I would say at this point in time it cannot be counted or “discounted.” There is a claim of 50, and a counterclaim of 1. I’d like to believe the 50 and hope it is true. As for compelling evidence either way, not so much.

          • Frank Acland

            I don’t think IH is disputing that the ERV report states that the 1MW plant had a COP of around 50.

          • Omega Z

            Frank,

            I have no issues of claiming periods of COP>50.
            I object to those who infer the word “Average” quite often. Rossi has not claimed an “Average” COP>50.

            This is a perfect setting for a backlash. Should it latter be found that the “Average” COP=22 or whatever, then it will be claimed Rossi lied, therefore, why should we believe “Average” COP=22.

            To my knowledge, Rossi has allowed speculation by others on info provided by others, but has always stuck by his original claim COP>6.

          • Frank Acland

            Rossi’s court complaint does not say that it was just periods of COP >50:

            “71. … By all accounts, the amount of energy produced by the E-Cat Unit during the Guaranteed Performance Test was substantially greater than fifty (50) times the amount of energy consumed by the E-Cat Unit during the same period”

            http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Leonardosuit01-main.pdf

          • SG

            There is some ambiguity with that statement. It might mean average, but it might also mean that it reached COP > 50 at certain points in time during the “same period.”

  • Gerrit

    The only infinite range I see with Rossi is the range of time it takes before any tangible proof surfaces.

  • Rossi Fan

    Orbo EV!

  • Rossi Fan

    Orbo EV!

    • Alex Fenrick

      If the Orbo EV works anything like the Orbo Ocube or Ophone…we will need to go back to horses pulling our Orbo EVs! lol

      • interstellar hobo

        the horse will be covered in solid black eproxy to protect its innards or the 9v battery.

  • jimbo92107

    Edison would have cooked an elephant by now.

  • jimbo92107

    Edison would have cooked an elephant by now.

    • LukeK1

      Genius comment! 🙂

  • Jarea

    I want to know when will start the massive production of LENR 1MW plants. Stop discussing the future and procrastinating the execution of the ecat plant. I want to focus on the news of the 1MW massive execution first.

    • LarryJ

      Massive production is a subjective term and it is unrealistic to expect it overnight. Right now they are hand building reactors. Once they get a large enough order they can start to automate which will speed up production, but to really ramp it up they will need many more automated manufacturing facilities. None of this happens overnight. You are unlikely to ever be able to focus on the massive execution first because it will be an evolution, not an event.

  • Jarea

    I want to know when will start the massive production of LENR 1MW plants. Stop discussing the future and procrastinating the execution of the ecat plant. I want to focus on the news of the 1MW massive execution first.

    • LarryJ

      Massive production is a subjective term and it is unrealistic to expect it overnight. Right now they are hand building reactors. Once they get a large enough order they can start to automate which will speed up production, but to really ramp it up they will need many more automated manufacturing facilities. None of this happens overnight. You are unlikely to ever be able to focus on the massive execution first because it will be an evolution, not an event.

  • Steve Swatman

    Is there a way to ignore certain posters and commenter’s?

    That would really make reading the thread much easier and far less irritating.

    • Frank Acland

      No, there isn’t in Disqus. You can minimize a comment though by clicking on the minimize (minus sign) on the top right of a comment.

      • Omega Z

        I find myself much in agreement with you post. Especially the governmental regulations and so on. It will take years. Even Rossi is aware of this and has stated such much to the chagrin of his followers.

        • roseland67

          Clovis,
          Not delusional, just an engineer that wants to “KNOW” not be told.
          Same mindset I have had for as along as I can remember.
          Hope this works as stated, but as usual, my “spider sense is still tingling” and it has been since January 2011

          • clovis ray

            Come on fellow, so would you say that his product is better now or not based on what you think you know, back in 2011,
            Like all good scientist he wants full knowledge of his discovery and bring out it secrets and for it to be the best it can be, and will last a long time, and he will sale you a little cartridge once a year and also to develop it into many other wonderful things still unknown. i feel had he choose a different path, with lots of people involved, we would not be this far ahead of the game, i personally am very pleased with his demeanor,
            and insight on how this very important, God sent, should be distributed to the masses, we all count, and so does our world, saving it will be one of the most satisfying, thing of all….for now,,,smile.

  • Steve Swatman

    Is there a way to ignore certain posters and commenter’s?

    That would really make reading the thread much easier and far less irritating.

    • Frank Acland

      No, there isn’t in Disqus. You can minimize a comment though by clicking on the minimize (minus sign) on the top right of a comment.

      • Steve Swatman

        Thanks for the reply Frank, I was hoping to be able to filter out certain commentors and their repetitive negative remarks, as they seem to be overflowing the web site and many others since the end of the test.

  • interstellar hobo

    And if you put an ecat-y near a dead flower, it blooms, or maybe not, F8. It will be sold to the same secret customer from 2011.

  • interstellar hobo

    the horse will be covered in solid black eproxy to protect its innards or the 9v battery.

  • Robb Cundick

    While I’m still very hopeful for the future of LENR it’s hard to get excited about this kind of news. I have to admit I’m feeling more and more like Rossi has been leading us on a wild goose chase. Frank, I wonder if it’s better to focus elsewhere. It has been an awful long time since Rossi has offered anything even close to concrete.

    • LarryJ

      The ERV report sounded pretty concrete to me unless you believe a phd nuclear physicist specializing in nuclear power plant certifications couldn’t tell you if his teapot was boiling.

  • Just to irritate.
    My crystal cells give me 1.5volt at 10milli amp continually.
    I have got three in series driving 4, 1.8mm led’s.
    They have been running now for 3 months night and day.

    • artefact

      On JONP:

      “Frank Acland
      May 4, 2016 at 6:37 PM
      Dear Andrea,
      Why do you think the revelation of the E-Cat QuarkX will be such a surprise?
      Many thanks, Frank Acland

      Andrea Rossi
      May 4, 2016 at 8:25 PM
      Frank Acland:
      If you put this question, you have imagined a hint of it.
      Warm Regards, A.R.”

      • kdk

        Rossi has a much better track record than those people. For the most part, “Rossi says” has more or less panned out over time.

        • Евгений Максимов

          We were told what communism:
          1. The robots will work in the factories. Humanity will have a rest.
          2. Mankind will be occupied by art and space travel.
          3.Money is canceled. All products in the shops are free.
          4.Anyone will do only what he wants.

          Now look what says A.Rossi 🙂
          People who lived in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union no longer believe in communism. And people who live in Western Europe and the United States believe in communism. Strange?

          • kdk

            It will be a monumental failure, or at least a long and protracted mess, if the technology on the way stays in all the same hands, we agree on that. 🙂 I will say however, mainstream media aside, it’s been good that the internet started in the States, even if they do read everything we write, as the bulk of the internet can be protected under the first amendment. It’s actually kind of surprising that the Republic has lasted as well as it has through its Empire phase. It’s hard for any powerful institution to survive a plague of jerks at the helm.

        • Jarea

          We want the product.

          • kdk

            So do I, now we have to wait for the legal fight with IH, in the States. It will hit Europe first, unless similar issues arise. Hopefully, the UK/European partner isn’t invested in fossil fuels.

  • Observer

    Both sets of batteries and the E-CAT QuarkX(s) are in the car. Switching occurs automatically.

    Otherwise, expect a decade of red tape.

  • Just to irritate.
    My crystal cells give me 1.5volt at 10milli amp continually.
    I have got three in series, driving 4, 1.8mm led’s.
    They have been running now for 3 months night and day.

  • Lux Terrea

    I’m glad to see people here beginning to wake up. I was beginning to feel that i was the only one. All of these new articles are just a bunch of busy work. Just smoke and mirror blah blah unless we get some real, tangible proof that the e-cat does what it says. We’ve been doing this crap for years and I’m not happy about the thought of looking like a fool which has been creeping up on me since the last time we were promised 3rd party documents. Rossi, your loyal support is taking a hit. How about some action?

    • passerby

      Why wouldn’t it work, there is nothing fundamentally different between the ecat and many of the other successful LENR tests over the years.

    • satyavan

      What is your comment of the hot fusion 60+ years and counting already, take billions of tax payers money with zero results? Rossi is doing without your money or the tax payers, in time 5 years is nothing when you consider nobody did it before.

      • Julio Ruben Vazquez Turnes

        Yes, i cant agree more with you.
        People seems to be ready to critiquize Rossi for a work of 5 years but says nothing about the so called hot fusion wich i heard about when i wast in middle school.
        This is absurd.

        • Michael W Wolf

          Well look at it this way, if they consider Rossi a scam for saying he has something, that would make hot fusion legit because they take money and make no promises? We are dealing with lunatics folks. Maybe Rossi should say, “give me a couple of billion and I’ll get back to you when I have nothing and want more money”. According to their logic, he would be legit then. Gees. SMH

      • Private Citizen

        No one is claiming to have a secret, but patented, working high COP hot fusion device, but if so claimed people sensibly would clamor for verification and suspend belief until such time as proven.

        In science, “Distrust yet verify.”

        • Michael W Wolf

          If you feel that way, you should not come here. Just wait til someone you know buys it off the shelf and you can follow.

          • Private Citizen

            Why, is this site only for the faithful? Is hard eveidence never offered here, like MFMP and other replication attempts?

            But, maybe you can find an echo chamber somewhere where no one is allowed to question the faith or ask for evidence. Try Rossi’s JONP.

          • Andrew

            It’s not about faith, dreaming or believing. It’s about evidence and right now the only evidence for or against is circumstantial. All that is portrayed by Frank is the current happenings and any tidbit he can dredge up. Take the information and do what you will. If you have a problem with what “Rossi says” take it up with Rossi.

            You can go to any website and say what you said here and it would have a ring of truth because frankly many of the scam and fraud criers have an extremely strong faith towards that. Even krivits site has only soft evidence, very well written to sound like something solid but when read carefully you realize that it’s mostly opinion.

      • Lux Terrea

        Hot Fusion has absolutely nothing to do with Rossi or his promises of his device or the release of third-party documents or this website. Go check a few of the hot fusion “promise you the moon and stars” web sites. Maybe you’ll see me there.

      • Jarea

        Your premise is that Rossi has something. Until we have the product as he says, we cannot do these comparations. On the other hand, Rossi has done demos successfully and hot fusion has only delivered promises. I just want to see the Rossi product soon. It is a pity that governments that depends on fossil fuels are not investing on LENR as they do with hot fusion.

      • Lux Terrea

        Frankly, hot fusion, like the price of rice in China, is pretty irrelevant in the discussion of Rossi’s claims for LENR and the e-cat.

  • kasom

    Obviosly, if one has 20 kW in a small (cigarette) box and the output is electricity plus some heat, it will fit for 10000 purposes.

    A.R. say 3 letters: “YES” and we all are upset and start dreaming again ????????????

    Wake up and let us see the QUARQX first………….

  • Karl Venter

    you have the most amazing thing the world has seen for 100 years
    you have a patent
    and you dont even want to show the world a picture
    let alone someone else look at it

    i would have thought that would be a description of somebody who has lost it
    I would want to tell the whole world
    and as georgehants says save it from itself a little bit
    suppose he can do as he wants but its sad

    • Rossi Fan

      What are you talking about??? He gave it all away to the Chinese remember. That’s what the lawsuit with IH is all about.

      Rossi is at the stage where he has no excuse why he cannot show Frank and other VIPs the goods.

      • Omega Z

        How do you give away something you haven’t concluded yet.
        The Quark is still R&D.

  • Observer

    Having gasoline in a container in your trunk is considered transporting hazardous material, but having gasoline in the gas tank of your car is not. What you are transporting is not part of the car.

  • In my understanding, from any electric to thermal COP > 7 we can make a loop to increase the stock of energy in a battery. With a COP > 50 the flow of energy in the loop become marginal compared to the instant produced energy. And the battery become small compared to the main produce power, and the size of applicative motors.

    But the patent is about a multiplicator of energy. Also the need to control the power without an explosive hazard forbidden to include the battery in the device for certification. Also the high temperature in the E-CAT is not compatible with the battery.

    Then Rossi can only include the E-CAT in another device including a battery, to produce energy in any form, in a car or a house, or anywhere, in a desert, in the space or under seas.

    But this all-in-one device can be enough small if the high temperature E-CAT core is enough small and isolated. The isolation is limited by the flux of heat needed to convert in electricity.

  • In my understanding, from any electric to thermal COP > 7 we can make a loop to increase the stock of energy in a battery. With a COP > 50 the flow of energy in the loop become marginal compared to the instant produced energy. And the battery become small compared to the main produce power, and the size of applicative motors.

    But the patent is about a multiplicator of energy. Also the need to control the power without an explosive hazard forbidden to include the battery in the device for certification. Also the high temperature in the E-CAT is not compatible with the battery.

    Then Rossi can only include the E-CAT in another device including a battery, to produce energy in any form, in a car or a house, or anywhere, in a desert, in the space or under seas.

    But this all-in-one device can be enough small if the high temperature E-CAT core is enough small and isolated. The isolation is limited by the flux of heat needed to convert in electricity.

    • The car using the e-cat and the batteries need to be engineered accordingly.
      They just put the e-cat in the front and the batteries in the back (or the reverse).
      So they are away one from the other.

      • roseland67

        Micro,
        The Ecat needs to be engineered first and so far, nada

        • Owen Geiger

          It’s a work in progress. Give them time to finish the job.

  • adriano

    I dont know. I think he should stop making announcements considering what happened. At least for few months. Acting as this was day one of the new exciting adventure concerning LENR is quite irritating to me to be honest

    • kdk

      I’ll take it over another day in the adventure of spraying alumina particulates into the air to disguise global warming so other people can keep gouging us for and with oil profits.

    • help_lenr

      Rossi did not make any annonouncments. He said only ONE word, the word YES. All the rest are speculations build on the single word YES. A reader named Italo in his blog aked him if he thinks about
      the option of charging mobile cars and he replied by a single word YES.

      Thinking is no announcement, I am thinking about flying to the moon, this doesn’t mean that I promise to land on moon next month.

      I am sorry that people here make speculations based on a single word of Rossi and say that he made a promise, than they might complain why he does not fullfil their speculations.

      So far Rossi only promised heat light and electricity. NOTHING MORE. I am not sure if the electricity which he promised can NOW charge a battery or can NOW run a mechanical device. Fore example, if his electricity is AC of frequency 1 GigaHerz he cannot charge any battery or move any mechanical device with this electricity.
      .

      • US_Citizen71

        Shows how little you’ve been paying attention, just got the assignment? The QuarkX outputs DC which charges batteries quite well.

        • DrD

          EXACTLY and he’d also have known it’s DC

          • help_lenr

            Exactly what ? EXACTLY ?
            Interpretations are not exact.

            See my detailed response
            se to us_Cityzen

        • help_lenr

          You made a claim here that Rossi promised _high volume DC_.

          It is your obligation now to prove your claim here, otherwise your claim does not worth much.

          Please, show me a citation from the blog of Rossi that in the last 3 months he said that he can make _high volume_ charging in DC mode. I said “high volume” because low volume of charging is no surprise at all, using thermionic electricity.

          I was thinking about the option of charging car batteries since 1 January 2016 when he told his DREAM of a city full of ecats used to supply electricity and lights. The option to charge cars was obvious to think about.

          Since then, 1 January, I looked for a hint in Rossi’s words about that option (charging cars). I don’t recall that he made any hint about that option.

          Please, show me a hint by a citation (chaging low volume batteries claims are not relevant).

          I require a citation, not your interpretation instead of a citation. Your interpretation instead of citation does not worth much.

          • US_Citizen71

            I made no claim of ‘high volume DC’ do not stick words in my mouth, I am not here to be your strawman. The need to constantly put words in others mouths shows that you have no case or debate skills. I require citation of where I made a claim of high volume DC! Without citation your comment is nothing but inconvenienced electrons!

    • LarryJ

      The only thing that has happened is the start of the industrialization phase. Rossi promised that if the 1 year test was successful then the industrialization phase would begin and so it has, right on schedule. Patent wars are part of the industrialization phase. We now know from the ERV report (published or not) that IH can make a cop 50 low temperature reactor, they had a full year to refine it and you can bet they are building more of them.

      Why would you want Rossi to stop making announcements. He has exciting news and he is the one suing IH, not the other way around. He has done nothing to hang his head in shame for. He is bringing us a miracle. This is what day 1 of the exciting new adventure looks like. Both Leonardo and IH are now busy building and selling reactors under NDA until such time as they have the production capability to go public. The cold fusion market will be starting out with two major contenders. The business savvy IH against the creative genius of Rossi’s Leonardo. They will battle each other to try and gain as large a share as possible of the biggest market in history. It should be quite a show. Irritating? Some people are just too hard to please.

      • adriano

        The industrialization phase has happened??? Really? Where? When? How many people are involved? Who work there? Who did it? What kind of product they make? How many pieces they made this year? And how many they will made next year? 2, 3, 100, 10000? Maybe Defkalion just did so???

        Yes Im defenetly hard to please (especially about Rossi), but to be honest, I think some people should stop for a second and start using their brain without the “Rossi said” in their mind.

        • DrD

          Perhaps you should read his announcements.

        • Jas

          Rossi has said the customer is ordering more ecats. Rossi will be building them this year. It was 3 I think. The robot factory is not ready so these cats will be built by hand. He has 30 people so far who work for Leonardo. This was announced a few weeks ago.
          Perhaps you missed it? Whether you choise to believe it is another matter.

          • adriano

            I dont know what to say… Rossi stated a lot of more then incredible things over the years. I dont understand why people belive in what he say even without proofs. Once he say something is already acquired as a fact…

  • King

    It seems like every body ore at least the moste members of this forum has stoped thinking by them self…like in a sekt ore something, time to open up yor eyes and see the freud of the snakes denieing Dr Rossi.

    • Andrew

      Lol. Yep brain is out the window

    • Michael W Wolf

      I restore historic buildings. I only stop thinking when I get home. And what does Sigmond have to do with it? lol

    • Andy Kumar

      “It seems like every body ore at least the moste members of this forum has stoped thinking by them self.
      .
      *has stopped* would mean they have stopped thinking only recently. I wonder if they *ever* thought for themselves or were taking every little word from the inventor’s mouth as gospel truth 🙂 Just kidding guys, no harm in keep dreaming!

  • Private Citizen

    No one is claiming to have a secret, but patented, high COP hot fusion device, but if so claimed people sensibly would clamor for verification and suspend belief until such time as proven.

    In science, “Distrust yet verify.”

  • Albert D. Kallal

    I mostly agree. Skeptics will remain skeptics. And yes many a mainstream scientist will remain as such.

    SRI would be far better for a test if the science community is the intended audience.

    However, a test run by MMFP would hold much credibility for the public that is following this issue. And magazines like Popular Science and journalists like Matts Lewan would thus have a great piece of beef to chew on, and a GREAT story to bring to the public.

    Even a good test from SRI will NOT convince scientist until such time devices are purchased and tested by universities.

    However, a test from MMFP showing a clear 3+ COP would most certainly help the overall community in terms of credibility.

    Rossi has a credibility issue right now.

    We simply don’t know how well what Rossi has works.

    Rossi may well dig himself out of this hole, but until such time, speculative performance means speculative and spotty support of Rossi’s work.

    This is just the way things are! I only the messenger here, but Rossi lost tons of support, and such support will not be re-gained by talking about flying cars, or some new next gen ecat.

    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • Omega Z

    Rossi consults with an engineer who is studying the possibilty of jet engine applications of the “Quark”. ( The engineer has some indirect connection to aircraft manufacturing. ) Rossi himself has stated that jet engines are not in his forte.

    The only thing that would be unrealistic is if no one was looking at the possibilties. Regardless whether the Quark is as advertised.

    The above is reasonably accurate, but bears no resemblance to what you read on the blogs. Kind of like the 1MW test “Average” COP>50 is well known on the blogs, but has no real source. Not from Rossi or what was partially revealed in the law suit.

    • DrD

      What makes you discount that the law suit revealed an average COP>50?

      • psi2u2

        I would say at this point in time it cannot be counted or “discounted.” There is a claim of 50, and a counterclaim of 1. I’d like to believe the 50 and hope it is true. As for compelling evidence either way, not so much.

        • Frank Acland

          I don’t think IH is disputing that the ERV report states that the 1MW plant had a COP of around 50.

          • Omega Z

            Frank,

            I have no issues of claiming periods of COP>50.
            I object to those who infer the word “Average” quite often. Rossi has not claimed an “Average” COP>50.

            This is a perfect setting for a backlash. Should it latter be found that the “Average” COP=22 or whatever, then it will be claimed Rossi lied, therefore, why should we believe “Average” COP=22.

            To my knowledge, Rossi has allowed speculation by others on info provided by others, but has always stuck by his original claim COP>6.

          • Frank Acland

            Rossi’s court complaint does not say that it was just periods of COP >50:

            “71. … By all accounts, the amount of energy produced by the E-Cat Unit during the Guaranteed Performance Test was substantially greater than fifty (50) times the amount of energy consumed by the E-Cat Unit during the same period”

            http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Leonardosuit01-main.pdf

          • SG

            There is some ambiguity with that statement. It might mean average, but it might also mean that it reached COP > 50 at certain points in time during the “same period.”

  • gdaigle

    LeEco is another electric car firm that wants to leverage its smart phone technology into creating smart vehicles. They would be ripe for a way to extend their driving distance using a QuarkX. Here is an article: http://gadgets.ndtv.com/others/features/leeco-wants-to-give-away-its-tesla-killer-for-free-but-questions-remain-829263

  • gdaigle

    LeEco is another electric car firm that wants to leverage its smart phone technology into creating smart vehicles. They would be ripe for a way to extend their driving distance using a QuarkX. Here is an article: http://gadgets.ndtv.com/others/features/leeco-wants-to-give-away-its-tesla-killer-for-free-but-questions-remain-829263

  • Private Citizen

    Why, is this site only for the faithful? Is hard eveidence never offered here, like MFMP and other replication attempts?

    But, maybe you can find an echo chamber somewhere where no one is allowed to question the faith. Try Rossi’s JONP.

    • Andrew

      It’s not about faith, dreaming or believing. It’s about evidence and right now the only evidence for or against is circumstantial. All that is portrayed by Frank is the current happenings and any tidbit he can dredge up. Take the information and do what you will. If you have a problem with what “Rossi says” take it up with Rossi.

      You can go to any website and say what you said here and it would have a ring of truth because frankly many of the scam and fraud criers have an extremely strong faith towards that. Even krivits site has only soft evidence, very well written to sound like something solid but when read carefully you realize that it’s mostly opinion.

  • Dms

    Rossi is a bit of a nut. He been talking for five years. I am certain most of his gibberish is wishful thinking. I really can’t wait to see IH’s response ion June 11th. It will be eye opening to everyone.

    • Chris

      I take it you haven’t read the Lugano report that confirms via third party verification the ‘Rossi effect’ / anomalous heat. You should know what you’re talking about before posting things that try to make him look bad.

    • Owen Geiger

      So you think he is a nut who’s talking gibberish and yet you keep reading and spending time on this? What does that say about you?

  • Chris Marshalk

    This is a dream come true. No way this will be released to the public license. We’re all slaves to this government to pay bills and taxes. AR needs to release this technology and bring a product to market if he is serious and true to his words.

  • roseland67

    http://nextbigfuture.com/2016/05/international-tokomak-fusion-project.html?m=1

    Thought this would make everyone’s day,
    Frank, this doesn’t really belong here so you may want to relocate to another thread.

  • Guests

    Most people elsewhere are losing interest in Rossi says _ no product to show

    He should keep it quiet ……and not exaggerate and F8 and F9 lol WTF….

    • DrD

      Won’t be long now before there’ll be a lot of humble pie to eat and it won’t go down well.

      • E-gatto

        Humble pie for whom? For the sceptic or the believer?

        • DrD

          Not long to wait to find out.

    • LarryJ

      Rossi is the only one who says anything so if he keeps quiet we might as well fold up our tents and go back to whatever it was we were doing before he started talking.

      What makes you think he’s exaggerating?

      • DrD

        Good point. F8,F9 is the very opposite to exaggeration.
        So in the same phrase he’s accused of exaggeration and conservatism. Hmmm poor man can’t win.

  • Guests

    Most people elsewhere are losing interest in Rossi says _ no product to show

    He should keep it quiet ……and not exaggerate and F8 and F9 lol WTF….

    • Steve Swatman

      Thanks for that, personally I think that if people have lost interest they quit posting negative comments too, I mean, whats the point?

      • Lux Terrea

        Have you considered that people are frustrated and angry for all of the leading and baiting?

        • Jas

          Would you prefer Rossi to stop making comments on JONP?
          He could instead release some information every 6 months like other companies do who are in R&D phase.
          At least it gives us something to talk about.
          I’m happy with his daily Q&A’s.

        • Steve Swatman

          What is there to be angry about, a man works hard to prove an idea he has and tells the world because he believes, YOu did not do the work, it cost you nothing but time, time YOU chose to use, why on earth would anyone be frustrated or angry with a man working hard, long hours, even if its all a failure, he tried. If you have been led and baited, well that was because you wanted it to be true, as do I, but all these choices were yours. you can walk away at anytime. are you angry at the Fusion guys, space exploration guys/

          • Lux Terrea

            Actually the people here can and will be as angry as we want to be. No one is being abusive but people are obviously and rightfully upset and speaking out. You nor I have any idea what Rossi’s motives are.

          • Steve Swatman

            Oh I am sorry Lux, i did not mean offend you, I mean in reality I am only responding you, You say “people are obviously and rightfully upset” obviously no one has a right to be upset about a man doing his best under difficult circumstance, You are correct I have no idea of Rossi’s motives, however I do not get upset nor offended at the fact that he has not done what so many shout he should do, the Report has to oked by all parties before been published for the public, Rossi has said that a number of times in the past year, IF IH are not happy with the report one could assume that they are blocking the publishing, or the courts… you know if you dont like the manager of your sports team, or you dont like the way they play anymore, you quit been a fan, you quit going to the games, you quit following them, But you not complain week after week. You simply move on.

        • Chris

          The Lugano report is not leading and baiting, nor is what led up to it.

    • DrD

      Won’t be long now before there’ll be a lot of humble pie to eat and it won’t go down well.

      • E-gatto

        Humble pie for whom? For the sceptic or the believer?

        • DrD

          Not long to wait to find out.

      • Lux Terrea

        Please give me some humble pie! We’ve been hearing about all of the humble pie that those evil nay sayers and snakes are going to be choking on for years now. Where is it? I would love to be proven wrong.

      • roseland67

        DrD,
        Hope you’re right, but
        Been saying that since January, 2011, what does that mean exactly, won’t be long now?
        Do you know something no one else does?

    • LarryJ

      Rossi is the only one who says anything so if he keeps quiet we might as well fold up our tents and go back to whatever it was we were doing before he started talking.

      What makes you think he’s exaggerating?

      • DrD

        Good point. F8,F9 is the very opposite to exaggeration.
        So in the same phrase he’s accused of exaggeration and conservatism. Hmmm poor man can’t win.

  • Andrew

    From what I have read, Rossi pulled out and filed a lawsuit for breach of contract not IH. Normally a fraudster/scammer wants to stay as far away from court as possible. By this time Rossi has already collected $11.5M, more than enough to live the rest of his live on a boat loaded with cocane and hookers. Why risk a legal battle with your “fake machine”?

    Rossi is either insanely delusional along with Penon or he has the goods.

  • LilyLover

    “What if Rossi has figured out a way to have the QuarkX self-sustain
    permanently and safely using the electricity it produces to power
    itself?”
    >>
    He has.
    Just like everything everywhere, Rossi’s going with Everything E-Cat Everywhere.
    EEE.
    Why do you think the painstaking efforts were put to make pencilish QuarkX?
    For Laptops, Tablets, Movie Theatres, Phones with strong antennae, Cars, heaters … batteries that never need replacement with energy density more than anything else.
    Too ambitious? I say too Rossi!!

    External redundancy has vaporized.
    The R&D has been too good to need any peripheral “support” energy.

    The least immoral/stupid nation will adopt E-Cat-cars first.
    Now, we simply have to see who that is!!

    • Omega Z

      “Phones with strong antennae”

      If you’re implying more power for longer range and stronger signal, The transmitting power of cell phones is limited by law. It is a safety issue.

      If you’re just implying the phone wont run out of battery power, then ignore this post.

  • LilyLover

    “What if Rossi has figured out a way to have the QuarkX self-sustain
    permanently and safely using the electricity it produces to power
    itself?”
    >>
    He has.
    Just like everything everywhere, Rossi’s going with Everything E-Cat Everywhere.
    EEE.
    Why do you think the painstaking efforts were put to make pencilish QuarkX?
    For Laptops, Tablets, Movie Theatres, Phones with strong antennae, Cars, heaters … batteries that never need replacement with energy density more than anything else.
    Too ambitious? I say too Rossi!!

    External redundancy has vaporized.
    The R&D has been too good to need any peripheral “support” energy.

    The least immoral/stupid nation will adopt E-Cat-cars first.
    Now, we simply have to see who that is!!

    • Omega Z

      “Phones with strong antennae”

      If you’re implying more power for longer range and stronger signal, The transmitting power of cell phones is limited by law. It is a safety issue.

      If you’re just implying the phone wont run out of battery power, then ignore this post.

  • DrD

    Curious but good news:

    Begin quote

    Giuseppe
    May 4, 2016 at 12:44 PM
    Dear Andrea,
    do a single 100W QuarckX module can be activated and controlled by a small battery, for example a Smart Phone battery?

    On the E-Cat, if i remember, the charge duration is about one year, on
    the QuarckX is possible to do a recharge or will be better change
    directly the single module?

    Best Regards, Giuseppe

    Andrea Rossi
    May 4, 2016 at 1:19 PM
    Giuseppe:
    1- could be an idea to develope
    2- better change the module
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    End quote (empty lines removed).

    This answers both puzzles I posted here yesterday (below).
    So if I read it correctly, he now says:
    1) “YES” it could be possible to operate Quarks from a (rechargeable) battery.
    He previously said “NO” due to safety issues.
    BUT needs development so he hasn’t (yet) built that possibility into the QuarkX.
    Obviously, this is essentially self-sustain.

    2) To refuel he thinks to swap out the whole module.
    We still don’t know how much would constitute a “module” for example, does it include all or part of the heat exchanger or controls.

    I wonder; who is Giuseppe?

    • Omega Z

      Giuseppe is someone who has followed and posted on JONP for a long time. Rossi has many supporters from Italy that post on JONP…

      • DrD

        Thanks for that, I am reassured. I feel bad now, harbouring such suspicions. However, in defence, when discussing LENR and IH/AR we can’t take every thing at face value.

  • DrD

    Curious but good news:

    Begin quote

    Giuseppe
    May 4, 2016 at 12:44 PM
    Dear Andrea,
    do a single 100W QuarckX module can be activated and controlled by a small battery, for example a Smart Phone battery?

    On the E-Cat, if i remember, the charge duration is about one year, on
    the QuarckX is possible to do a recharge or will be better change
    directly the single module?

    Best Regards, Giuseppe

    Andrea Rossi
    May 4, 2016 at 1:19 PM
    Giuseppe:
    1- could be an idea to develope
    2- better change the module
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    End quote (empty lines removed).

    This answers both puzzles I posted here yesterday (below). [EDIT: seems others did also].
    So if I read it correctly, he now says:
    1) “YES” it could be possible to operate Quarks from a (rechargeable) battery.
    He previously said “NO” due to safety issues.
    BUT needs development so he hasn’t (yet) built it into the QuarkX.
    Obviously, this is essentially self-sustain.

    2) To refuel he thinks to swap out the whole module.
    We still don’t know how much would constitute a “module” for example, does it include all or part of the heat exchanger or controls.

    I wonder; who is Giuseppe?

    • Omega Z

      Giuseppe is someone who has followed and posted on JONP for a long time. Rossi has many supporters from Italy that post on JONP…

      • DrD

        Thanks for that, I am reassured. I feel bad now, harbouring such suspicions. However, in defence, when discussing LENR and IH/AR we can’t take every thing at face value.

  • LarryJ

    The only thing that has happened is the start of the industrialization phase. Rossi promised that if the 1 year test was successful then the industrialization phase would begin and so it has, right on schedule. Patent wars are part of the industrialization phase. We now know from the ERV report (published or not) that IH can make a cop 50 low temperature reactor, they had a full year to refine it and you can bet they are building more of them.

    Why would you want Rossi to stop making announcements. He has exciting news and he is the one suing IH, not the other way around. He has done nothing to hang his head in shame for. He is bringing us a miracle. This is what day 1 of the exciting new adventure looks like. Both Leonardo and IH are now busy building and selling reactors under NDA until such time as they have the production capability to go public. The cold fusion market will be starting out with two major contenders. The business savvy IH against the creative genius of Rossi’s Leonardo. They will battle each other to try and gain as large a share as possible of the biggest market in history. It should be quite a show. Irritating? Some people are just too hard to please.

    • adriano

      The industrialization phase has happened??? Really? Where? When? How many people are involved? Who work there? Who did it? What kind of product they make? How many pieces they made this year? And how many they will made next year? 2, 3, 100, 10000? Maybe Defkalion just did so???

      Yes Im defenetly hard to please (especially about Rossi), but to be honest, I think some people should stop for a second and start using their brain without the “Rossi said” in their mind.

      • kdk

        He probably would have done that for you, if you paid him enough and were able to be his business partner and trusted that you wouldn’t run off to the nearest magnate to sell your soul.

      • DrD

        Perhaps you should read his announcements.

      • Jas

        Rossi has said the customer is ordering more ecats. Rossi will be building them this year. It was 3 I think. The robot factory is not ready so these cats will be built by hand. He has 30 people so far who work for Leonardo. This was announced a few weeks ago.
        Perhaps you missed it? Whether you choise to believe it is another matter.

        • adriano

          I dont know what to say… Rossi stated a lot of more then incredible things over the years. I dont understand why people belive in what he say even without proofs. Once he say something is already acquired as a fact…

  • LukeK1

    How about we stick to powering up my house bulbs first or even heating up my radiator to 50C? If Mr Rossi can at least do that then he can be mentioned together with the greatest minds in history and bath in money for the rest of his life. Stick to basics, don’t over think or we will have to wait another 2 years until another not necessarily successful test.

    • Michael W Wolf

      Right now you would need a little Rossi inside each reactor to keep it running. If the reactors need to be baby sat by Rossi, it is useless commercially. I think this is what F8 means.

    • kdk

      He probably would have done that for you, if you paid him enough and were able to be his business partner and trusted that you wouldn’t run off to the nearest magnate to sell your soul.

  • LarryJ

    The ERV report sounded pretty concrete to me unless you believe a phd nuclear physicist specializing in nuclear power plant certifications couldn’t tell you if his teapot was boiling.

  • LarryJ

    There is a huge need for this tech and it is a bonafide paradigm shift. As a result I think the focus will be so intense and the human resources brought to bear so great that many of your concerns will be fast tracked. Any country that allows themselves to be held back by bureaucracy will concede this extremely important market to the competition.

  • DrD

    Why not?
    It’s a no brainer.

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Frank Acland May 4, 2016 at 6:37 PM
    Dear Andrea,
    Why do you think the revelation of the E-Cat QuarkX will be such a surprise?
    Many thanks, Frank Acland

    Andrea Rossi May 4, 2016 at 8:25 PM
    Frank Acland:
    If you put this question, you have imagined a hint of it.
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “LookMoo May 4, 2016 at 7:28 PM
    Dear Mr. Rossi,
    The market for a LENR invention is almost immeasurable for the first
    10-15 years (or even 30 years).. work for everybody. Just assume a
    majority of the close to 100 million vehicles entering the market every
    year can use a LENR based powertrain design. To that figure add all
    other applications that probably cripple the vehicle comparison. 1
    Billion eCat devices would be needed every year to keep phase with the
    market needs for clean, abundant energy.
    1000 factories with a 1 million output/year will have to run 24/7.
    How many factories do you think is operating within.. lets say 5 years.

    Andrea Rossi May 4, 2016 at 8:22 PM
    LookMo:
    We have now the force necessary to start the first massive production factory.
    After that, it will be the diffusion of the products to finance the exponential growth of our concern.
    F8.
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

    • Jarea

      Thanks artefact for that question to Rossi on execution of the ecat production. I think execution is more important that discussing the next ecatx. We have to crawl before we walk.
      Rossi states they are prepared for one massive production factory. This is again good news. Besides, it makes sense to start with one and then use the money to build more afterwards.
      Unfortunately, the comment of Rossi to be ready “to start the first massive production factory” is a very vague sentence regarding planing and production this year.

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “LookMoo May 4, 2016 at 7:28 PM
    Dear Mr. Rossi,
    The market for a LENR invention is almost immeasurable for the first
    10-15 years (or even 30 years).. work for everybody. Just assume a
    majority of the close to 100 million vehicles entering the market every
    year can use a LENR based powertrain design. To that figure add all
    other applications that probably cripple the vehicle comparison. 1
    Billion eCat devices would be needed every year to keep phase with the
    market needs for clean, abundant energy.
    1000 factories with a 1 million output/year will have to run 24/7.
    How many factories do you think is operating within.. lets say 5 years.

    Andrea Rossi May 4, 2016 at 8:22 PM
    LookMo:
    We have now the force necessary to start the first massive production factory.
    After that, it will be the diffusion of the products to finance the exponential growth of our concern.
    F8.
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

    • Jarea

      Thanks artefact for that question on execution of the ecat to Rossi. I think execution is more important that discussing the next ecatx. We have to crawl before we walk.
      Rossi states they are prepared for one massive production factory. This is again good news. Besides, it makes sense to start with one and then use the money to build more afterwards.
      Unfortunately, the comment of Rossi to be ready “to start the first massive production factory” is a very vague sentence regarding planing and production this year.

  • Евгений Максимов

    Soviet power in Russia also promised to build communism in 1980 🙂

    We were told – a little bear and the victim, but very soon in the future you will not need anything and everything will be just fine.

    • kdk

      Rossi has a much better track record than those people. For the most part, “Rossi says” has more or less panned out over time. If he were good enough, and morally bankrupt enough, to pull off a long running scam like this, he’d already have a lot more money doing other things. Like some other people running around the world, atm. Instead we have a lot of corroborative evidence that he has the real thing. I understand that mentality though, coming from other people in former Soviet states.

      • Евгений Максимов

        We were told what communism:
        1. The robots will work in the factories. Humanity will have a rest.
        2. Mankind will be occupied by art and space travel.
        3.Money is canceled. All products in the shops are free.
        4.Anyone will do only what he wants.

        Now look what says A.Rossi 🙂
        People who lived in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union no longer believe in communism. And people who live in Western Europe and the United States believe in communism. Strange?

        • kdk

          It will be a monumental failure, or at least a long and protracted mess, if the technology on the way stays in all the same hands, we agree on that. 🙂 I will say however, mainstream media aside, it’s been good that the internet started in the States, even if they do read everything we write, as the bulk of the internet can be protected under the first amendment. It’s actually kind of surprising that the Republic has lasted as well as it has through its Empire phase. It’s hard for an idealistic institution to survive a plague of jerks at the helm, especially if it gets powerful.

      • Jarea

        We want the product.

        • kdk

          So do I, now we have to wait for the legal fight with IH, in the States. It will hit Europe first, unless similar issues arise. Hopefully, the UK/European partner isn’t invested in fossil fuels.

    • Mike Henderson

      “I’m sure I’ll take you with pleasure!” the Queen said. “Two pence a week, and jam every other day.”

      Alice couldn’t help laughing, as she said, “I don’t want you to hire me – and I don’t care for jam.”

      “It’s very good jam,” said the Queen.

      “Well, I don’t want any to-day, at any rate.”

      “You couldn’t have it if you did want it,” the Queen said. “The rule is, jam to-morrow and jam yesterday – but never jam to-day.”

      “It must come sometimes to ‘jam to-day’,” Alice objected.

      “No, it can’t,” said the Queen. “It’s jam every other day: to-day isn’t any other day, you know.”

      “I don’t understand you,” said Alice. “It’s dreadfully confusing!”

    • DrD

      1980? I think you mean 1918?

      • Евгений Максимов

        No. In 1918 promised to build socialism.
        Communism promised in 1960 to start building, Nikita Khrushchev, General Secretary of the CPSU. And to finish by 1980.
        There was a joke – Communism abolished and replaced with the Olympics-80 🙂

  • Mike Henderson

    “I’m sure I’ll take you with pleasure!” the Queen said. “Two pence a week, and jam every other day.”

    Alice couldn’t help laughing, as she said, “I don’t want you to hire me – and I don’t care for jam.”

    “It’s very good jam,” said the Queen.

    “Well, I don’t want any to-day, at any rate.”

    “You couldn’t have it if you did want it,” the Queen said. “The rule is, jam to-morrow and jam yesterday – but never jam to-day.”

    “It must come sometimes to ‘jam to-day’,” Alice objected.

    “No, it can’t,” said the Queen. “It’s jam every other day: to-day isn’t any other day, you know.”

    “I don’t understand you,” said Alice. “It’s dreadfully confusing!”

  • US_Citizen71

    Shows how little you’ve been paying attention, just got the assignment? The QuarkX outputs DC which charges batteries quite well.

    • DrD

      EXACTLY and he’d also have known it’s DC

      • Jarea

        Your premise is that he has something. Until we have the product as he says, we cannot do these comparations.

        • Omega Z

          The dinosaur gear heads sell a lot of cars pandering to those who want more HP. In fact, that’s where nearly all of the profits come from.

          • one of the reason why Tesla’s vehicles are so well received is the no-pause, ludicrously powerful acceleration provided by the electric drive train.

  • Gerard McEk

    Attention everybody!!
    Did you read this:

    Teemu
    May 5, 2016 at 4:19 AM
    Dear Andrea Rossi,
    To me, and I mean no malice by saying this, the biggest surprise would be to actually see the E-Cat X being demonstrated.
    Best Regards,
    Teemu

    Andrea Rossi
    May 5, 2016 at 7:38 AM
    Teemu:
    You are right. When it will be ready, it will be demonstrated.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    The QUARKX IS GOING TO BE DEMONSTRATED!!!
    And WITHIN MONTH!!! ,according to another JONP comment.
    All my (sceptical and cynical) comments lately have been heard (maybe).
    Finally we will see a demo of it when it’s unheard details are being revealed.
    I hope that Andrea does everything to allow sceptic to prove it does not work.
    If he hasn’t got time for that I volunteer.

    • LarryJ

      I think by ‘ready’ he means products in the market. Rossi has no time to waste on pointless demos that nobody will believe. We are not going to see products this year but maybe by next if he can get certification for domestic use.

      • sam

        I think A.R said he had a test run with a customer in June.
        Would that be what he meant.

        • LarryJ

          The June demo is intended for a new customer and Rossi has said that demo will be private. Rossi has implied that demo will be the end of the preliminary R&D and we will learn more about the quarkx but we will still not see much until he has a product.

      • Winebuff67

        Breath being held…

    • Frank Acland

      Within months, I think he said (you said month above)

    • clovis ray

      Hi, guys.
      The way i read this is, only the customer will see it next, then when they Leo.corp, can fill a order, they will demonstrate, the QUARK, to the world, but it would be kinda silly to start advertising something, and can’t produce it for market,
      I promise , with big thinkers and big bucks, 3D printers and the like, it could be that robo line, are already created, and have been building something similar for a long time and only has to be reprogramed, with moderate,changes, could be put to work now, as leo.corp. has not been setting on their hands these past years, because Dr. Rossi knows the truth and working as hard and fast as humanly possible to get it to a place where we can have our own, Leo, corp. is our best and fastest choice, trying to stand in his way is doing our world a disservice., and will not be forgotten when things are going great later.

      • Pweet

        He has also said the demo he is speaking about is for a “partner”, which I take to mean he is trying to find someone to replace IH.
        That would be consistent with the previous Lugano demonstration which as it turned out was for the purpose of drawing IH into a partnership arrangement. I recall he often spoke at that time about IH as a customer when he said he had sold the original 1MW plant to a customer in the USA.
        It would be highly unlikely he would be demonstrating the new device to just an ordinary customer.

    • SG

      I’m less interested in demos, and more interested in products available for purchase. Mr. Rossi has done demos–many of them.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      I read nothing that gives any kind of firm date for any kind of public demo.

      A demo for a customer is not public, nor is it implied as such. So when Rossi is ready to demo to public, Rossi may well do as such. However, when Rossi is “ready” to demo to the public is a spectacular different statement then saying he going to demo for a customer, or in a month a public demo is going to occur.
      Nothing I read so far from Rossi can be assumed or implied or suggested to be any kind of firm date of a public ecat-X demo. And a demo for a customer does not suggest nor imply that Rossi is “ready” to demo to the public. So when Rossi is “ready” to demo to the public may well occur, but that could be any time frame from now.

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

    • Gerard McEk

      Oh dear, I was finally coming over my LENR depression and seeing the new New Fire at the horizon again and now you all are trying to get me back into the sceptic an cynical mode again.
      Stay connected, I’ll ask AR…

      • SG

        Best to keep a balanced view of the situation. Pseudo-skepticism should be eschewed, as should blind belief.

      • Gerard McEk

        This was AR’s answer (I am half happy):
        Gerard McEk
        May 5, 2016 at 12:48 PM
        Dear Andrea,

        Recently you said the QuarkX will be demonstrated when it is ‘ready’, which you hope is within months.
        It will underpin the details of the ‘Tremendous Surprise’ that will be revealed then.
        Some questions if I may:
        1. To whom will it be demonstrated? (I hope it will be open to public or us, you followers).
        2. Where will it be demonstrated? (I assume Europe, Sweden?)
        3. Is it right to assume that ‘ready’ means ready for sales, so the QuarkX factory is ready and fully equipped, and test runs were successfull?
        Thanks for answering our questions.
        Kind regards, Gerard

        Andrea Rossi
        May 5, 2016 at 2:29 PM
        Gerard McEk:
        1- to our partners in a first stage, to the public in a second
        2- Europe
        3- not yet, but close
        Warm Regards,
        A.R.

    • LarryJ

      Rossi will not do a demo for rhe public until he is ready to introduce his product to the market. He has been clear on this. It is very unlikely he can make that happen in 2016.

  • Gerard McEk

    Attention everybody!!
    Did you read this:

    Teemu
    May 5, 2016 at 4:19 AM
    Dear Andrea Rossi,
    To me, and I mean no malice by saying this, the biggest surprise would be to actually see the E-Cat X being demonstrated.
    Best Regards,
    Teemu

    Andrea Rossi
    May 5, 2016 at 7:38 AM
    Teemu:
    You are right. When it will be ready, it will be demonstrated.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    The QUARKX IS GOING TO BE DEMONSTRATED!!!
    And WITHIN MONTH!!! ,according to another JONP comment.
    All my (sceptical and cynical) comments lately have been heard (maybe).
    Finally we will see a demo of it when it’s unheard details are being revealed.
    I hope that Andrea does everything to allow sceptic to prove it does not work.
    If he hasn’t got time for that I volunteer.

    • Matt

      One should keep in mind, that every time, every thing he announced and finally showed was actually kind of a disappointment.

      • clovis ray

        He does not care, that your disappointment is misplaced, if he was concerned about every person that was disappointing because of some disinformation campaign ,that has always been around, then we would have absolutely nothing now, work, or advancements would all have been stopped,

      • LarryJ

        I was blown away by Lugano report and the ERV report showing a cop>50. I guess I am just too easy to please.

    • LarryJ

      I think by ‘ready’ he means products in the market. Rossi has no time to waste on pointless demos that nobody will believe. We are not going to see products this year but maybe by next if he can get certification for domestic use.

      • sam

        I think A.R said he had a test run with a customer in June.
        Would that be what he meant.

        • LarryJ

          The June demo is intended for a new customer and Rossi has said that demo will be private. Rossi has implied that demo will represent the end of the preliminary R&D and we will learn more about the quarkx but we will still not see much until he has a product.

      • Winebuff67

        Breath being held…

    • Frank Acland

      Within months, I think he said (you said month above)

    • clovis ray

      Hi, guys.
      The way i read this is, only the customer will see it next, then when they Leo.corp, can fill a order, they will demonstrate, the QUARK, to the world, but it would be kinda silly to start advertising something, and can’t produce it for market,
      I promise , with big thinkers and big bucks, 3D printers and the like, it could be that robo line, are already created, and have been building something similar for a long time and only has to be reprogramed, with moderate,changes, could be put to work now, as leo.corp. has not been setting on their hands these past years, because Dr. Rossi knows the truth and working as hard and fast as humanly possible to get it to a place where we can have our own, Leo, corp. is our best and fastest choice, trying to stand in his way is doing our world a disservice., and will not be forgotten when things are going great later.

      • Pweet

        He has also said the demo he is speaking about is for a “partner”, which I take to mean he is trying to find someone to replace IH.
        That would be consistent with the previous Lugano demonstration which as it turned out was for the purpose of drawing IH into a partnership arrangement. I recall he often spoke at that time about IH as a customer when he said he had sold the original 1MW plant to a customer in the USA.
        It would be highly unlikely he would be demonstrating the new device to just an ordinary customer.

    • SG

      I’m less interested in demos, and more interested in products available for purchase. Mr. Rossi has done demos–many of them.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      I read nothing that gives any kind of firm date for any kind of public demo.

      A demo for a customer is not public, nor is it implied as such. So when Rossi is ready to demo to public, Rossi may well do as such. However, when Rossi is “ready” to demo to the public is a spectacular different statement then saying he going to demo for a customer, or in a month a public demo is going to occur.
      Nothing I read so far from Rossi can be assumed or implied or suggested to be any kind of firm date of a public ecat-X demo. And a demo for a customer does not suggest nor imply that Rossi is “ready” to demo to the public. So when Rossi is “ready” to demo to the public may well occur, but that could be any time frame from now.

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

    • Gerard McEk

      Oh dear, I was finally coming over my LENR depression and seeing the new New Fire at the horizon again and now you all are trying to get me back into the sceptic an cynical mode again.
      Stay connected, I’ll ask AR…

      • SG

        Best to keep a balanced view of the situation. Pseudo-skepticism should be eschewed, as should blind belief.

      • Gerard McEk

        This was AR’s answer (I am half happy):
        Gerard McEk
        May 5, 2016 at 12:48 PM
        Dear Andrea,

        Recently you said the QuarkX will be demonstrated when it is ‘ready’, which you hope is within months.
        It will underpin the details of the ‘Tremendous Surprise’ that will be revealed then.
        Some questions if I may:
        1. To whom will it be demonstrated? (I hope it will be open to public or us, you followers).
        2. Where will it be demonstrated? (I assume Europe, Sweden?)
        3. Is it right to assume that ‘ready’ means ready for sales, so the QuarkX factory is ready and fully equipped, and test runs were successfull?
        Thanks for answering our questions.
        Kind regards, Gerard

        Andrea Rossi
        May 5, 2016 at 2:29 PM
        Gerard McEk:
        1- to our partners in a first stage, to the public in a second
        2- Europe
        3- not yet, but close
        Warm Regards,
        A.R.

    • LarryJ

      Rossi will not do a demo for rhe public until he is ready to introduce his product to the market. He has been clear on this. It is very unlikely he can make that happen in 2016.

  • georgehants

    If it is done on purpose or by ignorant design it is certainly time a few people learnt the difference between Communism, Dictatorship and what everybody concerned with sharing and caring on page means —— True Democracy.

    • LarryJ

      Good luck with that. lol

      • LarryJ

        I was blown away by Lugano report and the ERV report showing a cop>50. I guess I am just too easy to please.

      • Owen Geiger

        Maybe GH’s real intention is to bog down this excellent forum with thousands of repetitive posts.

  • georgehants

    If it is done on purpose or by lack of education alone, it is certainly time a few people learnt the difference between Communism, Dictatorship and what everybody concerned with sharing and caring on page means ——
    True Fair Sharing Democracy.
    The first and most important step must be that all media is removed from all capitalist and political influence and only independently represents and protects all people.

    • LarryJ

      Good luck with that. lol

      • Owen Geiger

        Maybe GH’s real intention is to bog down this excellent forum with thousands of repetitive posts.

  • Jarea

    Is there any info about the massive production of the 1MW plant ecats?. We are loosing the focus on the “next” thing when the basic ECAT product is still not on the market.

    • DrD

      He told us that all future E-Cats will be QuarkX which was a little confusing as he is clearly still building non E-CatX’s but the explanation seems to be that these are only bridging the gap until the QuarkX is ready (F8).
      Frustrating but the merits are worth the wait (provided this is the last improvement delay).
      EDIT: So I think there will not be a mass production of anything but QuarkX’s and hopefully, very soon.

    • LarryJ

      I would bet that IH are already ramping up production of the low temp 1MW plants and selling them under NDA until they have the production capacity to go public. Just like Leonardo is doing.

      They built the 1 year test reactor.
      The ERV claims it worked very well
      They had a full year to work out the kinks
      They are disputing the IP
      They have a science partner in Brillouin
      Brillouin signed a deal with Koreans last year
      They are well financed

  • Jarea

    Is there any info about the massive production of the 1MW plant ecats?. We are loosing the focus on the “next” thing when the basic ECAT product is still not on the market.

    • DrD

      He told us that all future E-Cats will be QuarkX which was a little confusing as he is clearly still building non E-CatX’s but the explanation seems to be that these are only bridging the gap until the QuarkX is ready (F8).
      Frustrating but the merits are worth the wait (provided this is the last improvement delay).
      EDIT: So I think there will not be a mass production of anything but QuarkX’s and hopefully, very soon.

      • Pweet

        Yes, but the same was said about the hot cat. It was said the 1MW plants produced after the one supposedly sold to the military would be powered by the then new hot cat design. Smaller, hotter, higher COP etc.
        It came as a bit of a surprise to find some time later and during the 12 month test period, that the 1MW plant subject to the one year test was basically the same design as the original 1MW plant of four years earlier.
        We seem to jump from one brilliant technology to the next without ever completing development of any of them. Thus there is still an urgent need for cheap, pollution free home heating systems for which the very original ecat was very suitable. And it had been tested for two years heating Mr Rossi’s factory, which was taken as a good indication it was safe, reliable and effective. Had half the time been directed towards it’s certification and production as had been directed on hot cats and a one year test of the 1MW plant, which seems to have been inconclusive anyway, we would now have 500,000 warm and happy ecat owners singing it’s praises, making it’s world wide acceptance guaranteed.
        But what are we doing instead? Waiting for the outcome of some legal dispute to settle whether the one year test actually proved anything at all.
        As far as the end user is concerned, we don’t seem to have come very far in five years. We still have exactly what we had five years ago, and that is, only proclamations and promises.

    • LarryJ

      I would bet that IH are already ramping up production of the low temp 1MW plants and selling them under NDA until they have the production capacity to go public. Just like Leonardo is doing.

      They built the 1 year test reactor.
      The ERV claims it worked very well
      They had a full year to work out the kinks
      They are disputing the IP
      They have a science partner in Brillouin
      Brillouin signed a deal with Koreans last year
      They are well financed

      • roseland67

        Larry,
        IH is not disputing the IP, they are suggesting that it simply doesn’t work as stated

        • LarryJ

          IH may be disputing Rossi’s tech but I believe it is just posturing. It is hard for me to believe that Penon got it so wrong

  • Jas

    Would you prefer Rossi to stop making comments on JONP?
    He could instead release some information every 6 months like other companies do who are in R&D phase.
    At least it gives us something to talk about.
    I’m happy with his daily Q&A’s.

  • Alex Fenrick

    What exactly are you implying here Clovis? I have said over and over countless times that I am open to the possibility of LENR, but I no longer trust Rossi at this point for many reasons that have been discussed at length. Please be clear of what you are accusing me of when you say “you know exactly what you think your doing, but your way obvious”. I believe I have made my perspective on matters here quite clear.

  • These companies will have no choice but to abandon the ICE. It will be gone in about ten years. ICE’s are the film in film cameras when electric motors are the CCDs that are already proven and available for sale.

  • DrD

    Perhaps his amazon crystal ball finally arrived.

  • DrD

    Perhaps his amazon crystal ball finally arrived.

  • DrD

    1980? I think you mean 1918?

  • US_Citizen71

    I made no claim of ‘high volume DC’ do not stick words in my mouth, I am not here to be your strawman. The need to constantly put words in others mouths shows that you have no case or debate skills. I require citation of where I made a claim of high volume DC!

  • Lux Terrea

    Frankly, hot fusion, like the price of rice in China, is pretty irrelevant in the discussion of Rossi’s claims for LENR and the e-cat.

  • Owen Geiger

    So you think he is a nut who’s talking gibberish and yet you keep reading and spending time on this? What does that say about you?

  • Owen Geiger

    It’s a work in progress. Give them time to finish the job.

  • Owen Geiger

    What if the new customer turns out to be like IH? They talk the talk but later stab him in the back? A big lawsuit in Europe (in addition to the one in the US) would greatly reduce Rossi’s ability to get E-Cats in the market. This could be part of a larger plan by industry insiders to block this technology. Rossi needs a perfect contract to prevent more problems.

    • psi2u2

      A lot is unclear, but what seems reasonably certain is that IH is not the customer. Rossi has said the customer is based in the UK and has worldwide operations.

    • Paul Maher

      The thought of an on board charging device such as the Quark-X must have Elon Musk and Nicolas Chauvin champing at the bit. Brave new world coming to you soon.

  • Owen Geiger

    What if the new customer turns out to be like IH? They talk the talk but later stab him in the back? A big lawsuit in Europe (in addition to the one in the US) would greatly reduce Rossi’s ability to get E-Cats in the market. This could be part of a larger plan by industry insiders to block this technology. Rossi needs a perfect contract to prevent more problems.

    • psi2u2

      A lot is unclear, but what seems reasonably certain is that IH is not the customer. Rossi has said the customer is based in the UK and has worldwide operations.

  • Tannenbaum

    Oh, Lord please just show us. Then we can all do thought experiments about electric cars to our hearts’ content.

  • Tannenbaum

    Oh, Lord please just show us. Then we can all do thought experiments about electric cars to our hearts’ content.

  • LarryJ

    IH may be disputing Rossi’s tech but I believe it is just posturing. It is hard for me to believe that Penon got it so wrong

  • Paul Maher

    The thought of an on board charging device such as the Quark-X must have Elon Musk and Nicolas Chauvin champing at the bit. Brave new world coming to you soon.