Interview With me356: Rossi Effect "Is Reality"

The following is an interview conducted via email with European LENR researcher/replicator who goes by the name of me356.

What first motivated you to get involved in LENR replication work?

From the beginning, I was interested in an alternative energy sources. I wanted to be completely independent from the current power plants. Later, with appropriate knowledge, I have started with a replications such as Joule Thief Ringers, static electricity capture, ground batteries, etc. With more or less success. One day I have saw LENR and work of Dr. Andrea Rossi. I was immediately impressed, but there was not too much time for a closer inspection. Finally replication of Prof. Alexander Parkhomov appeared and I knew I will replicate it. This was the motivation.

Can you say something about your name: me356? What is the reason you are keeping your identity non-public?

It took me about 2 seconds to create such nick. There is nothing hidden. Used only in LENR-field. I was aware of many reasons why it is better to stay in anonymity. I was sure that one day, it will work. It was just a matter of time. And for some people it will be a problem.

Can you tell us a bit about your experimental process — how much time do you devote to this work, and how frequently do you do experiments?

My business is taking me approx. 16 hours each day, including weekends. I can work always, if I want. There is nothing like finished work. It must be constantly improved – competition doesn’t sleep. This is giving me enough money for everything I could ever need. But without free time, it is very hard to do anything else. So I have to work even longer if I want to do something else or to make compromise (which has always negative impact). From the beginning, LENR experiments were pure hobby. Now I am spending a great amount of money of my company to buy everything necessary (especially materials).

Because we have very good experience in a worldwide business, we are working on a new products, we can potentially introduce also something different. Something such as LENR-based reactor. I am not relying on any investor or any donation, so I can spend more money on the research and if there is success and room for the product, it will become reality. If anything will fail, there is nothing to worry. We can work on the rest as usually. In this way, I can really realize what I am dreaming about.

When your talk about your business — What kind of business are you in, and is your LENR work part of your business, or separate from it?
I can’t reveal these details. When needed, additional workforce can be engaged. Soon fully working prototype will be finished, then the situation could change.

What is your motivation for continuing your work?

Cleaner planet, better world, no more fossil fuels, interest.

What are your thoughts on the “Rossi effect” (Ni-H-Li LENR)? Do you think it is real? If so, why?

There is no doubt about it, at least for me. I was sure it is working from the time I have heard about it. Recently, I have made many and many reactors that given strong answer where everything else was excluded (multiple times). I can’t be convinced more, it is reality. If this is not true, than something in the universe is really weird.

It sounds like you have replicated it, can you give a brief summary of what you found (temperatures, reactor type, COP, etc.), or maybe a link to a document?

Temperature (core) in range of 600 – 1500°C depending on the reactor. Reactor type – at least 4 different designs. There are advantages and disadvantages of each one. One is perfect in high temperatures, one in the COP, one can yield different kinds of products, one has very good heat convection characteristics, etc. COP – it is above 2. I don’t know the upper value, because very often reactor is melted in a few seconds. It could be even 10, but it is just guessing.

The first notable replication of something like an E-Cat was the work of Alexander Parkhomov in early 2015. It got a lot of people interesting in trying to replicate. What do you think of Parkhomov’s work, and why do you say for replicators not to waste time trying his technique?

Replication without knowledge of the process is nearly impossible. It is easy to build and very, very easy to fail. It is completely blind shooting. It is good for Mr. Rossi, but not good for replicators.

What do you think is an easier method than Parkhomov’s to get positive results?

Already published reports, that are not based on the work of Mr. Parkhomov. Unfortunately completely ignored. No one I know about tried to replicate it.

Can you provide references to the already published reports that you refer to?

 

Basically each report that was published is useful. I don’t want to point to any particular.

You have said that there are two critical parameters that are keys to have successful replications. Can you explain what those are?

Unfortunately no, at the moment.

At some point, will you share with the public what the critical parameters are — if so, when will you do that?
Yes, I would like to share details that will allow successfull replication, at least of the E-Cat technology. The main concern is safety. When I will be certain, that what will be revealed is safe, I will publish these details. LENR has so big potential that we can’t imagine it. I believe that it will be used everywhere.


What do you think is the key to a successful E-Cat style replication?

Patience and time.

What other types of LENR reactions are you attempting, and what results have you seen?

Current results are very good, but because of this, there are technical difficulties I have to solve. It is quite hard, but once all are solved, it will be just perfect. Then it can be dimensioned for 10W units but even for 10kW without any problem. Progress is very fast at the moment – it just takes a long time until required parts arrive to finish some improvements.

I am spending hours just with thinking about solution. Then days with realization to find, if it was really good. It looks like there is not a good solution at all. There is one prototype that I am very satisfied about, can be extremely cheap to produce, will offer stable output, but there is overheating issue in areas that can’t be too hot.

If there are things you are not ready to disclose, can you explain your reasons for not wishing to do so?

Safety, safety, patents, risks, many things to lose.

  • John Littlemist

    “Already published reports, that are not based on the work of Mr. Parkhomov. Unfortunately completely ignored.”

    I think he might be referring to Etiam Inc. paten application… 😉

    • Zephir

      Me356 referred to Rossi and Bolotov reactor in his own words. Ukrainian inventor, Profesor Bolotov. has developed a cold fusion system that utilizes the transmutation of zirconium into other elements to produce energy. He claims that with one version of his system, sixty watts of input could result in twenty kilowatts of output. Bolotov reactor was formed by rod of zirconium alloy inside a solid metal tube. This tube has been placed in a bigger tube made of material me356 is working with now – and fuel to Rossi reaction should be placed between those two tubes. Bolotov’s reaction is induced by strong “nanosecond” pulses of electric current and gives 3.6 COP. 3.6 X 3.6 = 12.9.

  • John Littlemist

    “Already published reports, that are not based on the work of Mr. Parkhomov. Unfortunately completely ignored.”

    I think he might be referring to Etiam Inc. paten application… 😉

    • Zephir

      Me356 referred to Rossi and Bolotov reactor in his own words. Ukrainian inventor, Profesor Bolotov. has developed a cold fusion system that utilizes the transmutation of zirconium into other elements to produce energy. He claims that with one version of his system, sixty watts of input could result in twenty kilowatts of output. Bolotov reactor was formed by rod of zirconium alloy inside a solid metal tube. This tube has been placed in a bigger tube made of material me356 is working with now – and fuel to Rossi reaction should be placed between those two tubes. Bolotov’s reaction is induced by strong “nanosecond” pulses of electric current and gives 3.6 COP. 3.6 X 3.6 = 12.9.

  • Stephen

    Thanks Frank an Me356 for sharing this interview

    • Zephir

      This stance is somehow anectodical, because the whole article lacks the substance completely. Someone (we don’t know who) makes an experiments (we don’t know which ones) with some result (…don’t ask me anymore..). These reactions just reflect the attitude of LENR community, which doesn’t differ very much from attitude of mainstream physicists after all. They also follow the cold fusion news closely (and I’ve multiple evidence for it) – but nothing on the world will convince them to do some experiments on their own.

      This situation just illustrates the incredibly scarce experimental basis of LENR, which gets followed with millions of people – but nobody gets actually engaged in it. Under such an situation every half-blind experimenter can become a king and a subject of thoughtful hopes of the whole civilization. Because, to be honest, what new we really got from the above article? The EM stimulation did Piantelli already, A.Rossi did it, Defkalion also placed sparkplug in its reactor and so on – we have dozens of patents about it..

      The me356 was just the first amateur, who happened to try it too.

      • Bob Greenyer of MFMP knows me356’s identity and vouches for him as a skilled experimenter.

        Also me356 has shared earlier (unsuccessful) experiments publicly.

        So there is a non-negligible thread of trust from us to MFMP to me356 and a history that shows he didn’t just pop up out of nowhere like some troll trying to prove how easy it is to trick us.

        • Zephir

          I don’t doubt in me356 experiments at all, I just doubt we get some more relevant info about it in foreseeable time.

      • LuFong

        This stance is somehow anectodical, because the whole article lacks the substance completely.

        I agree with what you are saying but not too long ago me356 did do things very openly (video etc) in the style of MFMP. I was impressed with what I saw (not too hard!) and his ability to implement was impressive. MFMP has also worked directly with me356 and have supported his efforts. Based on this I’m giving him the benefiit of the doubt for a while at least.

        • Zephir

          /* but not too long ago me356 did do things very openly */

          Well, in the same way, like Karnauchov did – until he wasn’t sucessfull, he just waited for public feedback and advices.

          • Frechette

            Never hurts to seek advice from peers. Even P&F worked as a team yet their results were eventually replicated by Michael Mckubre at SRI and others. Main stream physicists were trained in high energy physics. Anything which is outside that real they reject out of hand.

          • Zephir

            Of course, I’m not even judging it – I’m just drawing the conclusions.

      • bachcole

        I was not taking me356 very seriously, but now I am. Of course everything that he is saying may be a complete fantasy, but I doubt it with the pictures. AND the fact that he is putting in so many hours per day shows focus, sort of like the focus of Newton who also did 16/7 for months focusing on a single problem. me356 said patience and time, but both of these presume focus. Given his resources and focus, I am expecting great things from him. (:->)

        • clovis ray

          Yep,resources and focus

  • Thanks, Frank and me356. Good stuff. Good luck me356!

  • Stephen

    Thanks Frank an Me356 for sharing this interview

    • Zephir

      This stance is somehow anectodical, because the whole article lacks the substance completely. Someone (we don’t know who) makes an experiments (we don’t know which ones) with some result (…don’t ask me anymore..). These reactions just reflect the attitude of LENR community, which doesn’t differ very much from attitude of mainstream physicists after all. They also follow the cold fusion news closely (and I’ve multiple evidence for it) – but nothing on the world will convince them to do some experiments on their own.

      This situation just illustrates the incredibly scarce experimental basis of LENR, which gets followed with millions of people – but nobody gets actually engaged in it. Under such an situation every half-blind experimenter can become a king and a subject of thoughtful hopes of the whole civilization. Because, to be honest, what new we really got from the above article? The EM stimulation did Piantelli already before ten years, A.Rossi did it, Defkalion also placed sparkplug in its reactor and so on – we already have dozens of patents about it..

      The me356 was just the first amateur, who happened to try it too. I personally consider him as another instance of Roman Karnauchov, who has been active at overunity forums and he soaked the information from it like sponge. Once he achieved some success, he sold his know how to Belgian company and we couldn’t read about his research anymore.

      • Bob Greenyer of MFMP knows me356’s identity and vouches for him as a skilled experimenter.

        Also me356 has shared earlier (unsuccessful) experiments publicly.

        So there is a non-negligible thread of trust from us to MFMP to me356 and a history that shows he didn’t just pop up out of nowhere like some troll trying to prove how easy it is to trick us.

        • Zephir

          I don’t doubt the me356 experiments at all – I just doubt we get some more relevant info about it in foreseeable time.

  • Ciaranjay

    Taken at face value on the plus side this is hopeful and encouraging.
    On the minus side more secrecy and vagueness (albeit possibly for good reasons)..
    And apparently the Parkhomov experiment is not available for replication.

    As I have commented before, LENR is a very fractured area of research with various
    parties operating with limited resources and often in secret. This is a poor
    way to advance any technology.

    The only way I can see a conclusion to the waiting is by a product on sale, or a peer
    reviewed and replicated process, perhaps by open source such as MFMP.

    • Also on the plus side (assuming honesty), me356 is at the prototype reactor stage and has the means to commercialize the technology through his company. Plus a commitment to share information and help the open science teams.

      Another player!

      I hope he goes public soon. We are being strangled by secrecy (but I understand his concerns about safety and anonymity).

      • One interesting additional question is, if he’s working alone or is working with some of his employees.

        This could cut the time needed for replications/new design implementations enormoulsy, when organzied.

    • Mike Rion

      Think how much better off Fleischmann and Pons would have been if they had maintained anonymity instead of going public when they did.

      • SG

        F&P are truly the sacrificial lambs of LENR and should be extolled not only for their intellectual honesty but also for their courage. I sincerely hope that Mr. Pons is considered for and awarded a Nobel prize before we lose him. He is now in his mid-70s.

  • Ciaranjay

    Taken at face value, on the plus side, this is hopeful and encouraging.
    On the minus side more secrecy and vagueness (albeit possibly for good reasons).
    And apparently the Parkhomov experiment is not available for replication.

    As I have commented before, LENR is a very fractured area of research with various
    parties operating with limited resources and often in secret.
    This is a poor way to advance any technology.

    The only way I can see a conclusion to the waiting is by, either a product on sale, or a peer
    reviewed and replicated process, perhaps by open source such as MFMP.

    • Also on the plus side (assuming honesty), me356 is at the prototype reactor stage and has the means to commercialize the technology through his company. Plus a commitment to share information and help the open science teams.

      Another player!

      I hope he goes public soon. We are being strangled by secrecy (but I understand his concerns about safety and anonymity).

    • Mike Rion

      Think how much better off Fleischmann and Pons would have been if they had maintained anonymity instead of going public when they did.

      • SG

        F&P are truly the sacrificial lambs of LENR and should be extolled not only for their intellectual honesty but also for their courage. I sincerely hope that Mr. Pons is considered for and awarded a Nobel prize before we lose him. He is now in his mid-70s.

  • Curbina

    His writing style, even if he is writing in English, gives me the impression that me356 is French, anyone else agrees?

    • tuder

      Eastern Europe

    • Zephir

      Yes, its has been noted, that English is not his native language.

    • LuFong

      Maybe Alainco can chime in?

  • Curbina

    His writing style, even if he is writing in English, gives me the impression that me356 is French, anyone else agrees?

    • tuder

      Eastern Europe

    • Zephir

      Yes, its has been noted, that English is not his native language.

  • Zephir

    /* The main concern is safety. */

    This is just an evasion, as this guy clearly believes, he could make some fortune with his know-how from now (“patents”!). The security by obscurity simply doesn’t work, as we already know from software industry. The plain saying the “mixture of iodine and ammonia may explode” without further specification of details will not detract the people from future experiments, on the contrary: it will just elevate the risk for first few naive amateurs, who will try to dry it or expose to sunlight or to keep in grounded glass vial. For safe work with explosives the detailed and thorough instructions – rather than lack of it – are always the key.

    The one thing is to keep know-how secret, the other thing is unwillingness to demonstrate the point. My personal advice is, if you want to see some progress soon, you should contribute to it yourself or to wait for another guy. One thing is for sure: it doesn’t matter, how well you’re trying to hide or confuse the facts – the people will always sniff the truth out, soon or later. After all, the experiments with LENR are still rather primitive: there are not lotta things to try once you get the picture of reactor.

    • bachcole

      I gotta say, Zephir, that I have lost respect for your thinking skills. You seem to think that just because you have a thought that it must be true and you must broadcast it as such.

      • Zephir

        The thinking skills ability is no warranty, that other people will understand it – I’d say instead, the correlation will be exactly the opposite.

        • bachcole

          Your unedited comment was: “I don’t care about your feelings, until you have no arguments.

          Don’t twaddle – argue. Is it really so difficult?”

          We share and discuss here. Arguing is a waste of time. You have nothing to contribute until you stop arguing and try to share.

          • Zephir

            Tell this to me356 first. Arguing is the basic method of Socratic discourse.

          • bachcole

            That is a rationalization for being unable to share and discuss. Socrates did NOT argue. He was an authority figure and his students would have honestly accepted his questions and tried to honestly answer them. They did not argue with him. Civil authorities didn’t like the answers to his questions; and he did not even argue with them; his interaction with the civil authorities was not the Socratic discourse in action. It was tyranny in action.

          • Zephir

            I see… What are you able to share, for example?
            The definition of Socratic method is independent of Socratus person, your private opinion about him the less..
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method

          • Ciaranjay

            Hope I am not missing the point here.
            Personally I have gotten into hot water several times over the years by using “argue” rather than “debate” or “discuss”.
            Zephir, you are correct that argue can mean “to give reasons” or “to cite evidence” but to many people it means “heated disagreement” or “quarrel”.
            As long as we can listen and debate then we progress.
            If we quarrel then the facts are lost and we make no progress.

          • Zephir

            To me “argue” means the “using of arguments”. In my native language this word had been adopted from Latin and it means exactly what I’m saying here without any positive or negative bias. In Romanian languages this word has longer past and it already gained more aggressive connotations, which I wasn’t aware of (or even if yes, I already forget it).

  • Hans-Göran Branzell

    Sounds like Rossi Junior is talking.

  • One interesting additional question is, if he’s working alone or is working with some of his employees.

    This could cut the time needed for replications/new design implementations enormoulsy, when organzied.

    Another more important question is: would he allow MFMP (who know the safety issues and can handle them safely) to verify his results? Or will he keep his findings absolutely secret?

    • bachcole

      For the initial breakthrough, it might be better if he works alone, or works in parallel with other people with similar focus and control over where the experimentation goes.

    • bachcole

      If he keeps keeping his findings absolutely secret, then there is nothing there but BS. But as he said, patience and time.

  • Ophelia Rump

    This seems excessively optimistic, heavy on hype and light on substantiation.

    • Zephir

      Someone who isn’t willing to cooperate enough to share the most basic of information on how to produce successful replications doesn’t deserve a forum to broadcast his success. It would just make this forum less trustful & competent than it already is. We can just wait for commercialization of me365 research in similar way, like at the case of another subjects working on LENR in secrecy with no information given (Piantelli etc).

      • SD

        MFMP lent equipment to me356 last year IIRC.

      • Thomas Kaminski

        I guess that I could raise the same issues as we hear from the anti-LENR crowd: Was it independently verified? What did the researchers do to collude? Was their instruments properly calibrated? One of the researchers was thrown in jail (this actually happened to a fusion energy researcher at UW-Madison).

  • Ophelia Rump

    This seems excessively optimistic, heavy on hype and light on substantiation.
    I wish Me356 great success, but this is a marathon, not a sprint.

    Nothing interferes with sound decision making like optimism. It is brutally difficult to contain.
    Stay off the emotional rollercoaster.

    • Zephir

      Someone who isn’t willing to cooperate enough to share the most basic of information on how to produce successful replications doesn’t deserve a forum to broadcast his success. It would just make this forum less trustful & competent than it already is. We can just wait for commercialization of me365 research in similar way, like at the case of another subjects working on LENR in secrecy with no information given (Piantelli etc).

  • Private Citizen

    ” When I will be certain, that what will be revealed is safe, I will publish these details.”

    Playing that safety card hard. What about all the people who might hurt themselves continuing to research based upon guesswork? And is the research community so stupid that if you say “Here is what i’m doing, not sure it is safe. Be careful,” that there will be some kind of mass incompetence suicide by foolhardy LENR researches? Very compassionate of you me356.

    Until we have specifics, this sounds like a Rossi impersonator enjoying 15 minutes of anonymous fame 🙂 Your “few days” are already up.

    Now the faithful have a new savior. Let the apologists commence with the apologies.

    • LuFong

      He detected neutrons three days after and experiment ended.

      • Private Citizen

        “He detected neutrons three days after an experiment ended.”

        He says he detected neutrons on one flavor of secret reactor, which may not even have released excess heat. He says the other secret reactor, without the alleged neutrons, melted.

        Even if he did detect neutrons, tell us what you did and those who want to replicate should exercise due caution.

      • Zephir

        IMO he wrote, he observed radiation, which is common behavior of neutron activation – especially if he used a tungsten electrode, as he claimed.

    • Robert Dorr

      I appreciate safety but too much safety will give us what we have now, chemistry sets that advertise the fact that they contain no chemicals. If we had all the safety concerns that we have now in place in the 18th century we would not be using: process machinery, steam engines, cars, airplanes, rockets, computers, etc. Please safe but not too safe.

      • timycelyn

        Safety mania is the ball and chain on mankind’s advancement.

      • Sanjeev

        😀
        Perfect analogy.

        • Rene

          me356 may or may not have achieved a working LENR. Because he has chosen the secrecy path, like Rossi’s claims, they are nothing more than unproven chatter. For both of them the only rational choice to take is to wait for them to put something out in the market.
          There is really no point in following them, or paying much attention to their naked claims until working units are made available. Will be nice if it happens. In the meantime, another bag of popcorn to watch the LENR entertainment channel.

          • Ciaranjay

            Depends on what you want.
            Some people enjoy the game. Personally I am only interested in the final score.
            LENR is only useful to me when I can actually use it rather than reading about various unsubstantiated claims for year after year.
            Actually that cannot be entirely true, otherwise why am I spending time following and commenting 😉
            I suppose even if Rossi turns out to be a fraudster it will still make a fascinating movie.

          • Zephir

            /* Some people enjoy the game.*/

            Such a people should wait for nuclear war after then. The energetic future of human civilization is too serious thing for popcorn entertainment, I guess…

            http://pesn.com/2012/01/15/9602013_138_Million_Cold_Fusion_Holocaust/

          • Rene

            “The energetic future of human civilization is too serious thing for popcorn entertainment” – this reads a lot like the if you don’t like it or don’t believe, then leave remark.
            The people creating the entertainment channel are Rossi and now me356. Enough of the unproven tantalizing tidbits. They need to put up or shut up. The data they have released is not particularly useful because they hold back the information that achieves strong LENR.
            To date, there have been a few weak LENR positives. That they are weak positives exposes them validly to instrumentation error challenges. When results are weak it is difficult to ensure errors do not creep into the measurements. What is different about Rossi and now me356 is their extraordinary claims that they see strong LENR (outputs magnitudes greater than input energies). Such huge positives should be straightforward to let others replicate and prove. But no, secrecy keeps that from happening. I can understand why the secrecy path is taken – there is a lot of profit potential. But if that’s the way they have gone, then any statements from those people are nothing more than market position statement attempts. It is tiresome manipulation and it has to stop.
            Rossi and me356 need to work out an arrangement with a 3rd party, like the MFMP team, to perform a solid replication. That, or make good on a marketed product or even a limited beta release.

          • Ecco

            At this stage black-box or NDA-covered testing will only serve to reinforce the marketability of the claimant’s [future] products and do nothing for advancing science&knowledge. I’m not looking forward to seeing such tests be performed.

            Those who choose the commercialization path should walk on their own feet.

      • Sanjeev

        I guess the safety issue is just an excuse to buy more time. Me is up to something.
        I guess he announced the success, and then the response of the community overwhelmed him. When everyone started demanding the recipe he decided (for some unknown reason) to keep it to himself. Commercial opportunity can be one of the reason, so far it seems most likely from his statements about prototype and production etc.
        I won’t mind if he produces a prototype for the purpose of raising funds etc. Only concern is that he should not end up like AR and others….

  • Private Citizen

    ” When I will be certain, that what will be revealed is safe, I will publish these details.”

    Playing that safety card hard. What about all the people who might hurt themselves continuing to research based upon guesswork (LiAlH4 is nasty stuff!)? And is the research community so stupid that if you say “Here is what i’m doing, not sure it is safe. Be careful,” that there will be some kind of mass incompetence suicide by foolhardy LENR researches? Very compassionate of you me356.

    Until we have specifics, this sounds like a Rossi impersonator enjoying 15 minutes of anonymous fame 🙂 Your “few days” are already up.

    Now the faithful have a new savior. Let the apologists commence with the apologies.

    As usual i’m glad to be proven wrong. Let there be LENR.

  • we-cat

    Dear Frank,

    Can you please let us know, without disclosing stuff me356 does not want disclosed, what you know about me356?

    Nationality, gender (how awesome would it be if me356 was a woman), homebase, etc..? I have a feeling we will hear more from me356 in the coming months..

    • Frank Acland

      I really don’t know any more than you. I have just had email contact. I assume me356 is a male, as Bob Greenyer, who knows him and has visited him always refers to him as he. Bob has said he lives in Eastern Europe.

  • Robert Dorr

    I appreciate safety but too much safety will give us what we have now, chemistry sets that advertise the fact that they contain no chemicals. If we had all the safety concerns that we have now in place in the 18th century we would not be using: process machinery, steam engines, cars, airplanes, rockets, computers, etc. Please safe but not too safe.

    • timycelyn

      Safety mania is the ball and chain on mankind’s advancement.

    • Sanjeev

      I guess the safety issue is just an excuse to buy more time. Me is up to something.
      I guess he announced the success, and then the response of the community overwhelmed him. When everyone started demanding the recipe he decided (for some unknown reason) to keep it to himself. Commercial opportunity can be one of the reason, so far it seems most likely from his statements about prototype and production etc.
      I won’t mind if he produces a prototype for the purpose of raising funds etc. Only concern is that he should not end up like AR and others….

  • bachcole

    I was not taking me356 very seriously, but now I am. Of course everything that he is saying may be a complete fantasy, but I doubt it with the pictures. AND the fact that he is putting in so many hours per day shows focus, sort of like the focus of Newton who also did 16/7 for months focusing on a single problem. me356 said patience and time, but both of these presume focus. Given his resources and focus, I am expecting great things from him. (:->)

    • clovis ray

      Yep,resources and focus

  • Alain Samoun

    Rossi #n: ” I will tell you more until I feel like it” ,considering above all my own interest: Patent finance market. In the same time the clock is ticking for humanity. I really feel that looking at LENR as another product in the capitalist structure is wrong. My opinion of course…

  • LuFong

    You must use emails? Sometimes you can ignore users (like Disqus) but I think on lenr-forum you cannot do this. Sometimes too you don’t want to be rude to someone who is well intentioned. Whatever works I guess.

  • BillH

    I’m not sure I can follow a new experimenter who’s English and grammar are as convoluted and cryptic as AR. You should note Frank, that putting a quote from someone in your subject line doesn’t make it reality, it’s one of those cheap contrivances that many on-line new sites use to say something they want you to hear that has no real substance. It’s only me365’s opinion and should be given no more or less weight than anyone else’s.

    • Mats002

      Me356 is a friend of a friend of mine. I have plenty reasons to believe he is for real. I guess you are a newcomer here. Welcome and enjoy.

      • BillH

        Only new to me356, as you probably know, if you have been paying attention.
        Guess again.

    • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

      If you criticize someone’s mastery of a second language, you should be the first to get possessive pronouns correct (that is grammar).
      Whose = belonging to whom.
      Who’s = who is (relative pronoun introducing its clause, and verb).

      Just not to be ‘the pot calling the kettle “black”‘….

      • BillH

        Duly chastised, can you now do the same for me365’s answers. Good luck.

        I do really want to understand what he is saying.

        • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

          I wish. The English grammar is far more accessible and less interpretable than quantum physics LENR experiments…

  • BillH

    I’m not sure I can follow a new experimenter who’s English and grammar are as convoluted and cryptic as AR. You should note Frank, that putting a quote from someone in your subject line doesn’t make it reality, it’s one of those cheap contrivances that many on-line new sites use to say something they want you to hear that has no real substance. It’s only me365’s opinion and should be given no more or less weight than anyone else’s.

    • Mats002

      Me356 is a friend of a friend of mine. I have plenty reasons to believe he is for real. I guess you are a newcomer here. Welcome and enjoy.

      • bachcole

        So, why not try to reduce the degree of separation from 2 to 1? (:->)

        • psi2u2

          It’s 1. It’s just a fact. ; )

      • BillH

        Only new to me356, as you probably know, if you have been paying attention.
        Guess again.

    • bachcole

      “I’m not sure I can follow a new experimenter who’s English and grammar are as convoluted and cryptic as AR.” I am not sure that I can believe a commentator like yourself who thinks that English and grammar is necessary for credibility.

      Einstein’s English was pretty bad.

      • BillH

        It’s not, but I would argue that it’s necessary for understanding. For example, many people have interpreted what AR has posted, and got it completely wrong.

        • bachcole

          I see my writing as a craft and try hard to do grammar and spelling correctly, and I understand that it is important. It is a matter of pride for me to write understandable copy. But “many people” is a concern that I take lightly, thankfully.

          • psi2u2

            “many people” is a concern that I take lightly, thankfully.”

            Bachole strikes again.

    • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

      If you criticize someone’s mastery of a second language, you should be the first to get possessive pronouns correct (that is grammar).
      Whose = belonging to whom.
      Who’s = who is (relative pronoun introducing its clause, and verb).

      Just not to be ‘the pot calling the kettle “black”‘….

      • BillH

        Duly chastised, can you now do the same for me365’s answers. Good luck.

        I do really want to understand what he is saying.

        • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

          I wish. The English grammar is far more accessible and less interpretable than quantum physics LENR experiments…

  • Robert Sawyer

    There is an important fundamental law concerning LENR experiments which is similar to the famous Heisenberg uncertainty principle in quantum mechanics. In quantum mechanics position and momentum are complementary variables: the more precision with which a particle’s position is determined, the less is verifiable about it’s momentum (and vice versa). In LENR research, the complementary variables are COP and secrecy. MFMP have no secrecy and hence the COP is 1. Rossi has secret sauce, secret customers, secret factories with secret robots, and has COP 50. I think me365 is well aware of quantum mechanics and has realized that the only way to get better COP is to become more secret. In the future we will hear of better COP but with fewer details.

    • Sanjeev

      😀
      Perfect analogy.

    • DFarwell

      I find this VERY hard to disagree with!!! Extremely interesting perspective and explanation.

    • doug marker

      Robert, I sense a distinct tongue-in-cheek nature to this post.

      COP is proportional to Secrecy. A simple formula.

      C = k.S.

      We just need to work on that constant. – even better if we could turn it into

      C = k.1/S.

      Doug M

    • Allan Kiik

      Good idea, but there might be one more difficulty with applicability – see, like everything else in this universe, COP is most probably a complex number, where observable is the real part (reality is the most confusing word, btw) and it is possible that increase in secrecy add only to imaginary part of COP 😉
      This is not pure conjecture as it is well supported by observational evidence from me356 himself, who has stated clearly (concerning the glowing video) that while COP rises from 1 to at least 2 (when the reaction starts), the temperature of the ractor remains constant. This means, of course, that the heat is also purely imaginary… as expected from imaginary COP.

    • psi2u2

      Very witty. I hope you are wrong.

    • bachcole

      I also hope that you are wrong, but it is a interesting observation.

  • Gerard McEk

    I am not sure ME356 will ever disclose how it works. He seems to say that here:

    “When your talk about your business — What kind of business are you in, and is your LENR work part of your business, or separate from it?
    I can’t reveal these details. When needed, additional workforce can be engaged. Soon fully working prototype will be finished, then the situation could change.”

    Than he will use his workforce to start producing a LENR product?

  • Barbierir

    I wish him good luck but I’m waiting for some disclosure or third party visit or replication before getting excited.

    • bachcole

      Hopefully he cares about our excitement level. Otherwise we will see “him” at Home Depot or forget about him.

  • DFarwell

    I am following ME356 with an open mind, I just hope my inkling of Rossi-esque secrecy does not happen after reading some of his statements. While we have no right to demand anything from ME356, he has definitely put himself in the “hot seat” (excuse the pun) of question and speculation. Grabbing a new box of popcorn as my other one has turned stale….

  • DFarwell

    I am following ME356 with an open mind, I just hope my inkling of Rossi-esque secrecy does not happen after reading some of his statements. While we have no right to demand anything from ME356, he has definitely put himself in the “hot seat” (excuse the pun) of question and speculation. Grabbing a new box of popcorn as my other one has turned stale….

  • LukeDC

    Only once Bob G verifies this will I take it seriously.
    You need to remember that not all experimenters are posting their results for public consumption. Some are bound by their investment in experimentation, employer agreements, or perceived commercial gain.

    • Sanjeev

      I wouldn’t put the responsibility solely on Bob’s shoulders, it has to be a group effort. When there are many pair of eyes checking something, the chances of error reduce. This is exactly the philosophy of live open science.
      Of course, I totally support Bob taking the lead. I don’t know how open ME would be, but the news of his falling ill just before the date of their meeting causes a bit of worry.

      • James Andrew Rovnak

        Just one great experimenter, love to watch his work evolve & his unique approaches.

  • LukeDC

    Only once Bob G verifies this will I take it seriously.
    You need to remember that not all experimenters are posting their results for public consumption. Some are bound by their investment in experimentation, employer agreements, or perceived commercial gain.

    • Sanjeev

      I wouldn’t put the responsibility solely on Bob’s shoulders, it has to be a group effort. When there are many pairs of eyes checking something, the chances of error reduce. This is exactly the philosophy of live open science.
      Of course, I totally support Bob taking the lead. I don’t know how open ME would be, but the news of his falling ill just before the date of their meeting causes a bit of worry.

  • clovis ray

    Thanks, frank great interview, an interesting insight into his perspective of what is going on inside the reactors, i followed him some he seems like he is a competent investigator, and knows how to set up and apply a correct experimental project, to maintain a degree of safety, along with procedures to collect data,along with many other things, personal time is crucial, time to think , time to build, time to communicate with colleges, and plan.
    We love it when replicators come here when they are running their experiments, so our clientele can analyse and help in general,

  • Nixter

    With LENR work ongoing among widely separated and isolated researchers, each following different protocols, most with little or no shared technical information no shared lab notes with no shared data sets,.. adds up to a colossal waste of valuable time and energy. What a cooperating group(s) could achieve in months will take separate efforts years to achieve the same results. The realization that vast fortunes are tantalizingly close by, this in turn chokes out the original altruistic instincts that sparked the initial decision to investigate the LENR effect.
    LENR effect number one: Heat/Energy can be generated.

    LENR effect number two: Money/Power can be generated.
    Effect number two predominates and overrides effect number one.

    • DFarwell

      MFMP.

      • help_lenr

        MFMP activity is a disaster. Their good will does not yield practical results. Their so called “receipt” adds more confusion than understanding. It adds much more confusion than the receipt of PONS-FLEISHMAN. You will see that in the next year nobody will be able to make any convincing replication using their receipt. I don’t believe in groop thinking, hard problem needs individual hard work without wasting time about noise which is involved in groop thinking. Good ideas shared – yes,
        half cooked product shared – not. I appreciate me356 more than MFMP, but he should show (in publick) an actual product working to make me believe him.

        • DFarwell

          I may be wrong, but it seems to me that MFMP is doing the most substantiated verifiable work of all in the LENR field currently. I am yet to see anything else recently that can be trusted or even taken seriously. The “jury” is out on ME356 at the moment and the other jury is ready to convene for Rossi.

        • Zephir

          Half a loaf is undoubtedly better than no bread – but I also think, that the MFMP guys are kinda slow and incompetent – as it’s evident even from their Youtube presentations

          https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/3262-Two-Giants-Two-Problems-and-One-Simple-Answer-Help-us-me356/?postID=20615#post20615 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCavOoFBRNY

          • Bob Greenyer

            Hi Zephir,

            This is a personal video relating to my animation work – nothing to do with the MFMP – thanks for sharing.

            Can you give me examples of your fast and competent video productions to that I may improve my presentation skills.

          • Zephir
          • Bob Greenyer

            Well, if I was paid for open LENR research sufficient to support my family, I would agree that this would be a distraction, however, the reality is, as a volunteer, the job that pays me, that is my animation work, is my enabler to conduct LENR research – that is to say, without it and the income it brings, I could not do LENR research or communication at all.

            Supporting my family is my desire and duty as a parent and is partially a motivator for my LENR activity, which is a passion.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Nice to see new anonymous commentators taking the time to refer to our work.

          Only one exact replication attempt of the GS5.2 protocol that yielded apparent excess heat has been conducted, that was GS5.3 – it yielded potentially higher apparent excess heat – which we attempted to disprove in multiple ways live on camera without success. GS 5.3 repeatably at low temps showed thermal neutrons and signs of similar shaped soft x-rays to GS5.2 – all of which we have worked hard to discount.

          See this video around 12s
          https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8JYGNuoJRzFckV3dW5QbW1jdWc/view

          I need to catch up with UOM/SKINR, but in the version I saw they changed the protocol, had a wildly different apparatus, sat in a fire brick cave with literally no radiation monitoring. We are very happy that they at least tried – the reality is in the world of LENR every new entrant thinks they can do better we suffered the same fate when we tried to do our first Celani cells with Quartz (though Celani had said he was going to do it next, and we saved him the trouble). Only when we went to Borosilicate glass did we start to see excess heat evidence. It reinforced our resolve to try as exact as possible replications.

          Define practical results… We are not ashamed of experiments that just show what they show, we have practically shown a LOT of things people should not do or that do not work… that is very valuable work – for people actually willing to do real work.

          Brian Albiston saw increase counts in his GS 5.2 inspired experiment when re-injecting fresh H2 similar to our 2013 Celani wire experiments. He is the only person to seriously attempt the learning from GS 5.2

          The MFMP is not so much an organisation as an idea whose time has come, that idea is Live Open Science. You see “help_lenr” if you had any better ideas – you can offer them on our blog or during live experiments or respond to the videos you criticise so vacuously – if you have no ideas or knowledge but you have resources, then you can offer those – if you have the wherewithal to conduct experiments openly, then the MFMP would be happy to help you in any way possible to do better than us faster.

          When you are so disparaging about the MFMP, you need to understand that many of the people on this forum and many of the scientists in the field regularly contribute to our work, be it research, comment, insight, analysis, suggestion, donation etc.

          Lastly there are a few players out there who have paraphrased our work and have passed it off as their own work or insight even in paid for publications. In one for profit publication, pictures were used that I personally took without even credit to the project. It is very easy to do this with text and pictures – but with creative commons attribution license youtube videos, it is very difficult for people to pass work off as their own and download and print images etc. So, some people are annoyed, but many others have very much appreciated this huge body of work.

        • psi2u2

          Gosh. Did you get up feeling that way? Thank you for sharing, but I’m afraid I’ll stick with MFMP if that is the level of professionalism you are advocating.

        • you are dead wrong. MFMP are doing great!

    • Sanjeev

      Actually we have ICCF, and a few more meetups, where everything that can be shared is shared.
      Unfortunately, those who claim big success prefer to remain in shadows, don’t want to share and usually disappear in fog slowly.
      I don’t know about ME, I hope he is not one of them.

  • DFarwell

    I somehow missed the information about ME356 falling ill. Can someone point me to this?

  • LookMoo

    Can somebody give links to the reports “me356” is refring to??

  • LookMoo

    Can somebody give links to the reports “me356” is refring to??

  • James Andrew Rovnak

    Just one great experimenter, love to watch his work evolve & his unique approaches.

  • Hhiram

    I doubt Bob Greenyer knows anything more about this me356 person than we do. Just email contact. I’ve seen a few pictures and videos from an amateurish-looking workshop.

    It is hard enough to believe people who are at least not anonymous – Rossi, Grenyer, Parkamov, Mills, etc. – who claim COP > 1 results.

    A random anonymous person “from Eastern Europe”?

    I believe nothing this person says. When Greenyrr brings back firsthand proof it’s not a troll, then I will pay attention. Until then it’s all snakes and clowns, as Rossi says.

    • SD

      MFMP lent equipment to me356 last year IIRC.

    • Bob Greenyer

      I have designed and conducted experiments with him, slept in his lab, ate with his extended family and visited him Physically 3 times over the past year. We supplied materials, loaned equipment, including our Optris and Power Analyser for more than many months when they would otherwise not have been used and I provided many of our best insights to him, insights discussed elsewhere publicly, even here, but not acted on by other parties.

      To be clear, we have seen evidence of COP > 1 in multiple experiments and apparatus type in both Celani wires (Constantan + Hydrogen) and Li Al Ni Hydrogen research. None have been too large to be beyond doubt.

      We have seen radiation multiple times in Celani wires and *GlowStick* experiments – despite a lot of experiments, we, and 3rd party observers, have been unable to find adequate alternative explanations for these observations.

      • bachcole

        For me, this is proof positive that me356 is not a skeptobot, that he is a real person, and he is making well-resourced real effort.

        What say you now, Hhiram?

        • psi2u2

          Having the advantage of all the comments the conclusion is pretty clear to me. Thank you to Bob, once again, for filling in critical details to clarify the facts. It would be nice if others asked more questions and did less speculation, it seems to me.

      • we-cat

        Bob,

        Thank you for this info. Much appreciated. Do you know in what area me356 advanced to get to easier to verify surplus heat?

        Also, many thanks for your hard work and persistence.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Hi we-cat,

          I drew his attention many ‘big potential win’ ideas that have been put out by other parties or that came out of our research or my understanding – he had no exclusivity – he appears to have actually bothered to test them though and combine that with paying attention to the Russian work. If he has something significant, and I do not know he has, it is because he has bothered to try – and he definitely is bothered to try and is a capable multi-disciplined individual.

          I need to see data, I am not very good with opinion in a matter such as this beyond sharing what I have witnessed one to one so far.

    • Steve Savage

      Snakes and Clowns … funny YOU should bring that up

  • Rene

    me356 may or may not have achieved a working LENR. Because he has chosen the secrecy path, like Rossi’s claims, they are nothing more than unproven chatter. For both of them the only rational choice to take is to wait for them to put something out in the market.
    There is really no point in following them, or paying much attention to their naked claims until working units are made available. Will be nice if it happens. In the meantime, another bag of popcorn to watch the LENR entertainment channel.

    • Ciaranjay

      Depends on what you want. If you want facts and data then good luck.
      Some people enjoy the game. Personally I am more interested in the final score.
      LENR is only useful to me when I can actually use it rather than reading about various unsubstantiated claims for year after year.
      Actually that cannot be entirely true, otherwise why am I spending time following and commenting 😉
      I suppose even if Rossi turns out to be a fraudster it will still make a fascinating movie.
      It is also interesting from the story of the history of science.
      Did mainstream science drop the ball on one of the most important breakthroughs of the century, of will it turn out to be nothing of consequence?

      In any case I still want LENR ASAP!

      • Zephir

        /* Some people enjoy the game.*/

        Such a people should wait for their nuclear war then. The energetic future of human civilization is too serious thing for popcorn entertainment, I guess… And these people dilute the matter-of-fact discussion of people, who really struggle for progress.

        http://pesn.com/2012/01/15/9602013_138_Million_Cold_Fusion_Holocaust/

        • Rene

          “The energetic future of human civilization is too serious thing for popcorn entertainment” – this reads a lot like the if you don’t like it or don’t believe, then leave remark.
          The people creating the entertainment channel are Rossi and now me356. Enough of the unproven tantalizing tidbits. They need to put up or shut up. The data they have released is not particularly useful because they hold back the information that achieves strong LENR.
          To date, there have been a few weak LENR positives. That they are weak positives exposes them validly to instrumentation error challenges. When results are weak it is difficult to ensure errors do not creep into the measurements. What is different about Rossi and now me356 is their extraordinary claims that they see strong LENR (outputs magnitudes greater than input energies). Such huge positives should be straightforward to let others replicate and prove. But no, secrecy keeps that from happening. I can understand why the secrecy path is taken – there is a lot of profit potential. But if that’s the way they have gone, then any statements from those people are nothing more than market position statement attempts. It is tiresome manipulation and it has to stop.
          Rossi and me356 need to work out an arrangement with a 3rd party, like the MFMP team, to perform a solid replication. That, or make good on a marketed product or even a limited beta release.

          • Ecco

            At this stage black-box or NDA-covered testing will only serve to reinforce the marketability of the claimant’s [future] products and do nothing for advancing science&knowledge. I’m not looking forward to seeing such tests be performed.

            Those who choose the commercialization path should walk on their own feet.

    • bachcole

      If there is really no point in following them (Rossi and me356) or paying much attention to their naked claims, why are you here???????????????

      • Rene

        Oh my, this is the classic “If you are not of the body then leave” believer response with a selective out of context quote. To bring back the context I also wrote “…For both of them the only rational choice to take is to wait for them to put something out in the market.”

        I am here because there appears to be a strong possibility of LENR and their are others here working to uncover the means to make it happen, openly. BUT, I am not going to be a true believer. They chose secrecy, fine, now they can deliver product because they are not helping the common good, Until then, what they say is unsubstantiated hoo doo. It is better to support open science.

        • bachcole

          Rene, Frank deleted my response, and after reading your whole comment, I am glad that he did delete my response. I apologize.

          I do not know any true believers here. I also do not want to be a true believer. But faith has to come into one’s thinking somehow. I have faith that my wife is coming home tonight and my son will be home before 2:45 p.m. like I told him. I believe the 2013 Lugano and 2014 Ferrara (sp?) reports. Rossi has delivered (for me) in the past. So I tend to have faith in him. (My son just got home in time.) But Rossi’s latest magical and wonderful E-Cat X is just one miracle too far for me without confirmation, particularly in light the age related physical decline I see in his pictures. But I am utterly and deliberately neutral with regard to the E-Cat X; my credibility meter is deliberately stuck at exactly 50% until we get some independent confirmation. But you seem to be saying that it just ain’t so, and I do not see that the evidence warrants that position.

  • malkom700

    It looks that the me356 is a new serious contender on the track. Everyone competes except the state that does not care about the fate of humanity but rather on the stability of the state.

  • So now we have “Rossi says” AND “me356 says”… if either one of them has what they say they have got, they should be sharing it with the world, in one way or another. If this was real, there should be thousands and thousands of scientists working full time on evolving this technology for the betterment of humanity, not just Rossi with a small team and me356 tinkering on his own.

    • Zephir

      The number of LENR experiments is already quite large http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ The fact, most of this info remains hidden before publics is given by pluralistic ignorance of mainstream at one side and by greed and jealousy of researchers involved at another one.

      • Well… the number of verified and repeatable LENR experiments that can produce tens of kWs of excess heat, is not very high, as far as I know. These claims of Rossi and me356(and Parkhamov, and Songsheng Jiang, etc) are of a revolutionary, potentially worldchanging technology. If this was real, then there should be an army of scientists working on it, with billions of dollars to develop this technology further. There is just something that doesn’t add up here(and I don’t believe in farfetched conspiracy theories). Of course I hope to see undeniable proof(or product) that marks the start of the LENR energy age, but honestly that hope is wearing thinner for every day that goes by. I have been following this since january 2011, reading every piece of information that I could find, but I have become almost immune to claims without proof… to “Rossi says” and now “me356 says”.

        • Thomas Kaminski

          The number of verified hot fusion experiments that have produced over unity is zero, yet we continue to invest billions in fusion research. There are many over unity “cold fusion” experiments, yet we ignore them.

          To me the fact that a limited budget organization like me356 can produce better results than our multi-billion dollar researchers is amazing.

          • I totally agree that IF me356(or Rossi, or anybody else) has as a matter of fact produced excess heat with his reactors then that is amazing. But where is the proof? Don’t get me wrong, I really hope me356 has what he thinks he has… but I would prefer to see the evidence than just hope.

          • psi2u2

            “I would prefer to see the evidence than just hope.”

            Agreed.

          • bachcole

            Unfortunately there is one hot fusion experiment that has been repeated far too many times that is way over unity, but control is utterly absent. (:->)

            This seems like a joke, but it lends hope and credibility to many people that control may one day be achieved. But for those of us old enough to have been following this story for decades, control seems impossible, even if we can’t prove it and all of the money spent on trying to control it a complete waste.

          • Thomas Kaminski

            I guess that I could raise the same issues as we hear from the anti-LENR crowd: Was it independently verified? What did the researchers do to collude? Was their instruments properly calibrated? One of the researchers was thrown in jail (this actually happened to a fusion energy researcher at UW-Madison).

          • bachcole

            Seems like your point is exactly the opposite of mine. Hot fusion has credibility because and only because of the hydrogen bomb, a fact only the most insane would deny. Cold fusion is struggling along with very easily deniable replications here and there. We need an economic hydrogen bomb being dropped by Home Depot that no one can deny.

          • Thomas Kaminski

            I think we agree. I am perhaps a bit more sarcastic in my presentation. The Atom Bomb research led to the construction of fission-based nuclear power plants. They are now showing that theory reduced to practice might have some unforeseen economic consequences. The hydrogen bomb might have given fusion credibility, but the economic cost of reducing it to practice on a commercial scale is yet to be shown. Numerous experiments have shown that F&P were correct. LENR is in the state of development that is on the verge of economic significance. My point was that since both fusion (via the hydrogen bomb) and LENR (via evolution of F&P experiments) are true, why is it that fusion research (via ITER and other hot fusion experiments) get the funding and LENR does not? Also, why is it that LENR demonstrations are attacked because of experimental inconsistencies, but hot fusion is deemed to be true? I think it has more to do with politics and entrenched researchers who vigorously defend their work. Also, a bit of collective shame that weapons of destruction could not be re-manufactured into tools for societal good.

          • f sedei

            It appears to me that hot fusion is destined to become a huge embarrassment and major scandal to all involved in the not too distant future. The “Black Hole” of the scientific world?

        • John Littlemist

          Are you familiar with Thomas Kuhn’s thoughts? They explain a lot:
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Structure_of_Scientific_Revolutions

          • psi2u2

            Yes, they do. That is what I meant in my own comment above.

        • psi2u2

          “If this was real, then there should be an army of scientists working on it, with billions of dollars to develop this technology further.”

          With all due respect, this is a type of argument I often hear in my own line of heresy in another field. It is in that instance at least, a completely bogus argument. The disadvantages to the average practicioner of sincerely investigating alternatives to the orthodox paradigm are sufficient to deter all but the most adventurous or marginally situated from learning enough to even begin to understand the actual intellectual terrain as it is known outside the Universities and the Ivory Towers.

        • akupaku

          ” If this was real, then there should be an army of scientists working on it, with billions of dollars to develop this technology further. ”

          As I understand your statement above, you are barking the wrong tree. It is NOT the fault of LENR that main stream science refuses to research it. It is the fault of the scientists that they consider several fields of study nowadays as banned and forbidden. It is NOT the fault of the subjects that they refuse to study.

          And history of science is full of examples of this phenomenon that purity of science is affected by human weaknesses like greed for (research) money, greed for fame or fear of losing one’s powerful and prestigious academic position.

    • bachcole

      Oops, there goes that “should” word again.

      • Well. That is my opinion in any case. If the e-Cat is real, then there is no excuse whatsoever for not utilizing this miracle of an technology on massive scale, of not even making it available to more than a handful of people. Rossi presented the e-Cat in january 2011 promising to have products on the market in a matter of 3 months… now we are in 2016 and still nothing has changed, no product, no big customer(like Apple, Google, GM, NASA) that can openly vouch for the technology, and the reports from the few tests that have been permitted have not stood well against scrutiny. I am not saying Rossi or me356 or others should neccesarily be giving the technology away for free, but just keeping it to themselves is in my opinion a very wrong approach. If this was real, it would be so easy to get massive funding. I am sure that the U.S. governement(or any government for that sake) would absolutely love to massively finance further research on this, if the effect was proven to be real. If it was real why in the world would IH throw away their golden goose that they could make billions with, because of a measily $89 million dollars(would be peanuts if the e-Cat works as promised). Well, maybe it just isn’t real..?

        • bachcole

          “there is no excuse whatsoever for not utilizing this miracle of an
          technology on massive scale, of not even making it available to more
          than a handful of people.”

          This is because you don’t understand how economies work. Little old ladies who invested their life savings in pension funds would become homeless and starve to death if your “shoulds” reigned free.

          • DFarwell

            “This is because you don’t understand how economies work. Little old ladies who invested their life savings in pension funds would become homeless and starve to death if your “shoulds” reigned free.”

            while I do not blame Rossi or ME356 for keeping IP secret ‘IF’ they have the goods…..but your reasoning for it is a bit absurd. If we were to take that stance on every emerging big technology or breakthrough, nothing would progress. Rossi and ME356 are both human….they want money. I am not saying that is the only motivation, but do not be fooled for a second that it is not the primary one.

          • bachcole

            But economic reality forbid Rossi or me356 from giving it away. “Should” has nothing to do with it.

          • Wrong. I totally understand how economies work, I am not a socialist. I am not saying that either Rossi or me356 should be GIVING away their work. But if they have what they say they have, they shouldn’t be keeping it to themselves and a handful of other people. If they can demonstrate beyond a doubt that this works, they could easily get investments worth billions of dollars. Could walk into any of the biggest companies in the world and any one of them would be willing to invest massively. Any sane government would jump at the first opportunity to involve itself in this IF it was proven beyond a doubt that this technology works, that the claims of excess heat with high COP are true. BILLIONS of dollars of investment would be a piece of cake IF Rossi or me356 or Parkhamov have what they say they have. And seriously, prooving that is not some hokus pokus, it is not something unattainable, it should as a matter of fact be easy considering the massive energy production that is being claimed. Look at the enormous investments that are being made in hot fusion, even if any potential useful solution is decades away. If governments or large companies thought that they actually had a better solution available to them NOW, they WOULD invest very big money in it, more than in hot fusion. I am starting to think that either these guys(Rossi, me356, Parkhamov, Songsheng Jiang) don’t have what they say they have, or they are crazy enough to think that they need to keep it to themselves. If they have it, then they are pointlessly delaying the utilization of an extremely important discovery… it just doesn’t make sense to me anymore.

          • Albert D. Kallal

            But is not that what Rossi just attempted to do?

            Before money and mass-production we need durability testing. LENR been known to work for a long time.

            So in the case of LENR, one can’t raise much money until such time one has something of commercial value. So I think it would be smart to say building a working plant, perhaps run it for about a year to prove it works. And along the way you hire someone to log the data. After that, then additional millions or billions can be raised.

            Oh, wait!!!!

            I kind of thought that’s what just was attempted – was it not? A yearlong test with the ERV?

            On the other hand, Apple took about 6 years to make the smartphone – if they had spilled the beans during that time, they likely would have lost and wasted all that effort to the likes of Motorola, Samsung and rather established players in the marketplace. Apple did not build cell phones. And everyone was looking to EXIT the cell phone market!

            In other words, Apple would have risked losing their farm.

            Same goes for Rossi. I think SRI would have been a great independent test lab, but with Beryllium involved with SRI, then Rossi can’t really trust them, could he?

            I mean, IBM had Microsoft work on and create their OS2 Warp system – but that really just resulted in IBM funding the development of windows for Microsoft. The result was IBM lost OS2 warp and their efforts to Microsoft. All IBM did was fund Microsoft to build an OS to put IBM’s OS warp out of business. (and they have teams of lawyers to try and prevent this – it meant little).

            Sony had the same problem with Palm. Sony used the Palm OS for their PDA’s. So when Sony innovated and wanted larger screens and new cool features (like camera) etc., then they went to Palm and asked for changes to the OS.

            The problem was then Palm always turned around and came out with products based on Sony’s requested changes.

            So, who you going to test your product and ensure they not run away with that product? From what we heard, IH started taking out patents on LENR against Rossi’s wishes.

            In fact if Rossi did not fire off a lawsuit, he likely wind up with nothing and likely broke and penniless. Tesla is a great example of someone who wound up broke and lived his days out in poverty. Yet EVERY TIME we turn on lights in our
            house, the electricity we use, or the wireless radio when we use WiFi or the
            radio are we using inventions by Tesla.

            If you can come up with a better process to prevent those with this technology from being raped, and not dying penniless, then I all ears, but looking at history – the track record not very good, is it?

            And the steps Rossi taken to develop the ecat seems logical. Rossi had planned production, but required investment money and thus delayed production for a yearlong test. (now I will admit, many things Rossi has done don’t inspire confidence).

            The governments have known about LENR since the time of Pons & Fleishman – go talk to them as to why we don’t have LENR.

            Seems to me Rossi already attempted some tests – and stealing of his technology looks to already have occurred. But hey, no problem with how Pons and Fleshamen were run out of town, lost their jobs, lost their careers.

            And hey, no problem how Tesla lost everything and died penniless!

            So just look at what occurred to Tesla, P&F and even now it looks like Rossi experiencing these issues too!
            So Rossi did do demos, did do tests, did raise the money he required. Such tests can’t give away everything else he wind up like what occurred to P&F, Tesla. And even the banks did not support Apple – they used Venture capital to launch the Apple II.

            Regards,
            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • Hey Albert, thank you for those long replies. I am absolutely not a socialist, and am not expecting Rossi or me356 to give anything away for free. I am simply saying, that if they had what they claim to have, they should be making sure that this discovery is being utilized to the maximum of it’s potential. Not tinkering away alone or with a handful of friends, but with billions of dollars of investment and hundreds or even thousands of scientists working on it full time. If they have what they claim to have, then getting enormous investments from large companies or from governments, would be a piece of cake. So much money is being invested in hot fusion, with the promise that one day in the future, probably many decades away, it will be an viable energy source for mankind… if those same people could be investing that money in a better solution that can work TODAY, of course they would! If you are able to produce large amounts of energy with a simple LENR device with a high COP, and prove it, then there are billions of dollars of investments waiting. Everybody would be fighting to get aboard the LENR train. I have become more sceptical about the future of LENR, after the latest developments between Rossi and IH. It just doesn’t make any sense for IH to be trying to “cheat” Rossi in any way, if the e-Cat really works as promised. If the e-Cat is real, they would have been the luckiest company in the world with their 100 million dollar investment… why should they risk loosing the license of the greatest invention of our lifetimes? It doesn’t make any sense. I still have some hope left, but more “Rossi says” or “me356 says” is not enough, I think it is time we see some real proof.

          • Albert D. Kallal

            I suspect IH thought they were not risking loosing the license, and that they obtained enough know-how to not need Rossi anymore. Why pay Rossi when he turned over the IP rights?

            After all, what happed to Tesla? He died broke and yet brought us all these amazing technologies. So IH likely thought they did not need Rossi anymore and thus why pay someone 90 million when you don’t need them anymore?

            As for general investment into LENR?

            Brillouin has verified working reactors that were tested by SRI (Stanford research Institute). I don’t think you can have a more high quality lab and research institute verify ones product.

            Now, after above, Brillouin made a presentation and information session at the US Capital building in Washington.

            What else should they do?

            And after the above, where are the billions of funding and investments pouring into Brillouin then?

            The simple matter is investment into such new technologies will take time.

            But what should Brillouin have done different than the above?

            The problem as I see it is political correctness by governments and then toss in a HUGE portion of government people whose research dollars and grants would dry up – in effect your government selling you out.

            This occurred with P&F, and it is occurring now. In fact the largest department to lose out will be the climate and global warming clowns. I mean who paid for 50,000 people to attend the Paris climate summit in December? All they did was wine and dine on French food and YOUR tax dollars!. And they obtained billions in pledges from their governments. Now 50,000 people is HUGE number of people but that’s ONLY the ones lucky enough to be sent by their governments on your taxpayer dime to enjoy French food. MANY more people in government did not attend the climate summit. You think these folks met in France to figure out how to get LESS money from you? Heck, 50,000, that got to be as many people who attend the commonwealth games. These people are going to vote to loose their government jobs?

            Keep in mind global warming funding is now equal to, or in excess of cancer research. With LENR, that massive part of your government and the guilt trip of raising your taxes based on your sins of CO2 will be gone if your government supports LENR.

            We have verified tests from SRI and presentations on Capitol Hill of LENR– clearly such actions were not sufficient – what you suggest that Brillouin have done different here?

            Regards,
            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • I am not very well informed about Brillouin, but I believe they have only demonstrated reactors producing a few watts. That just doesn’t have the same impact, just isn’t as convincing, as having a e-Cat that produces tens of kilowatts with a high COP. Much easier to do measurement errors with few watts, than with kilowatts of excess heat. At the same time, if they DO have working reactors that create a few watts of excess heat, that would certainly be something that should be investigated further and invested in, but it wouldn’t immediately have the same attraction for investors as the e-Cat potentially could have(if it worked as promised and could be proven to do so).

          • akupaku

            There is no way that LENR is not going to hurt some people if it suddenly becomes public and widespread. I feel sorry for little old ladies but I also feel sorry for millions of poor children in Africa and elsewhere who suffer and die every year because they don’t have clean drinking water. Cheap enough LENR energy is going to help a lot of people and it is going to hurt some people, there is no way to avoid that.

            Besides typical investment percentage in the energy sector for pension funds is around 5-10% so little old ladies are not going lose everything they have. And they might get even by LENR energy savings in their daily life.

    • Hhiram

      I think what happened, IF this is not another troll/scam, is that me356 was approaching the work in a public transparent spirit UNTIL the Rossi and IH disaster. Suddenly Rossi is delayed and back into secrecy, despite earlier promises to go public with the year long test, and so me356 suddenly sees a chance to also compete in the LENR market for trillions.

      So immediately in the last month we see a switch of me356 from open work to secret work, and now discussion of manufacturing commercial products.

      I don’t blame these people. If I got an amazing result myself, with nobody else in the market yet, I would try to get some of those billions of dollars of the LENR revolution myself.

      But it is frustrating for the rest of the public.

    • Omega Z

      I don’t believe anyone should be required to hand over their intellectual work just because of it’s importance to society. This argument that they should could be just as easily applied to anything in which case most if not all would never take on such an endeavor. If your just going to take anything I produce, I will just stop producing anything.

      As to thousands and thousands of scientists working full time on evolving this technology for the betterment of humanity, whats stopping them?

      Is Rossi really that much smarter then all those scientists combined?

    • Albert D. Kallal

      You thinking like a socialist or someone who places responsibility on everyone else!

      Well, when low cost computer chips became available, then everyone should have been working on a personal computer, as the potential was incredible. (after all, all those sick people in the hospital cannot function without computers). You can have a hospital without computers, ad you can have energy with coal – but computers or LENR are simply a better way of doing things!

      The simple reason is few people are dreamers and entrepreneurs and people that actually go out and building these things.

      And same goes for airplanes. People stated over and over if the Wright Brothers really do have what they say and claim, they would be billionaires overnight. And just like LENR – many remained sceptical until they saw one fly!

      However, Thomas Edison, Marcoi, and a ENDLESS number of business people saw the potential of airplanes and all started dabbling in airplanes.

      However, in the early days, it was a Hodge podge group of people that built airplanes. The fact aircraft delivers medicine to millions of people everyday today would not be a logical or reason for these people to give away their technology – since we then would have never likely had
      the industry appear in the first place! (who is going to invest time and money in an industry without returns for your labor? Why plow the farm all day and then give all your food away?).

      The simple matter is we seen huge gains in LENR over the past few years. And yes, it does seems that “many” people are tinkering with LENR and looking at the potential markets and fortunes that can be made.

      And the opportunity for a small company to create a working product based on LENR, and becomes say the next Atari, Commodore, or Apple is a RARE opportunity that comes along few times in our lives.

      And like Atari, Commodore, Coleco, KayPro and many a computer box maker, as the industry matured, then those smaller companies feel by the wayside.

      So a person spends some time creating something that works based on LENR – the smart folks will most certainly attempt to commercialize that technology. (and we get LENR in our hands MUCH faster when this occurs – just look at the speed of adoption in the personal computer industry).

      Playing with LENR is a FAR BETTER bet than say purchasing lottery tickets.

      In fact, when I look at the activity, we have Rossi in the USA, we have Brillouin in the USA. You have universities teaching LENR.

      In fact the company that seems to be most quiet is Brillouin, but THEY DID do a presentation in Washington. This may have well opened some government eyes, as we now see government directing the Secretary of Defense to provide a briefing on LENR (I believe they are doing
      this to prevent political egg on their faces – they are aware of LENR, but would rather push the global warming agenda).

      And we saw the government of Norway also bring in some LENR experts for advice (as they are a heavily based oil economy).

      So the ball is in fact starting to bounce. And if you not willing to build LENR devices, then open up a small shop. I remember small computer stores opening up all over the place – these people
      did not create Atari or Apple – but many make a great deal of money never the less.

      And same occurred when the VHS and VCR machines arrived on the scene. (little video rental stores popped on every corner to meet demand).

      You could go door to door selling LENR furnaces and the REAL fortune you make is servicing them, and supplying re-placement cartages for fuel (just like ink jet printers – but you HOLD ON to your number of customers, you likely could retire on the income from just replacing the cartages for those furnaces). That re-occurring income is a real dream – it like cell phones, but you get the monthly income!

      And if you got in early, then your video rental store likely make a fortune for many years (but those late to the party could not open up video rental stores since the existing stores gobbled up the customers and not you!). The video store had value because of repeat customers!

      There is tons and tons of opportunism and this CHANGE will result in many starting business.

      I mean, I am STUNNED at the opportunities for those in the greenhouse and greenhouse growing business (by adopting LENR).

      So the LENR revolution is starting and playing out before our very eyes – just like the steam engine (locomotive) boom created MANY railroad barrons, the same for the VCR rental business boomed, and the personal computer industry boomed with Silicon Valley dotted with TONS of companies that sprang up out of noting. Some just made cases for computers, some made bags for computers. Companies building modems for computers or even sound cards (in fact both sound cards and modems became standard based on Hayes for modems, and
      Creative Labs building sound cards that became standard for PC makers). For every computer sold, you quite much wanted a sound card (Creative labs), and a modem ALL evetnaully adopted the Hayes standards.

      One should expect other companies to bubble up from the corners of the world and jump in on the birth of the computer industry or the LENR industry.

      LENR is an opportunity that few would and should give up, or even give away.

      I mean, should have Apple given up, or given away their ideas to everyone else while working in their garage?

      I cannot imagine anyone who dreams to change the world would give up such opportunity and given away that dream and chance to change the world.

      LENR exists, and 1000’s of papers exist on LENR. So one lone person in some garage is not guilty nor responsible for holding back LENR.

      You have to talk to the DOE, NASA, MIT and the litany of folks that tossed Pons and Freshman under the bus. They are the guilty party – and I hope history treats these people rather harsh for what occurred to P&F – we must not forget.

      And if everyone is so concerned about those not sharing, then give money and resources to the MMFP. I mean, heck, the fusion reactor in Europe received what, 15+ billion?

      Heck, with information available today, you can likely start a billion dollar company with a few dollars – the reason and how has been spilled SEVERAL times by Bob Greener – start reading the available information. You want to start a farm, then read up on how to farm – the information
      is yours for the taking. But don’t just sit around and say will someone please farm for me?

      The same goes for LENR – the information on the internet is available for free. As just as me365 confirms and started what Bob Greener as stated.

      They both stated the information is available – you just have to plow the field, work the farm, or in this case the LENR field.

      And it’s ironic that Bob Green also met and is aware of me365.

      So how the birth of any industry, including LENR occurred is quite much what we are seeing now!

      LENR going to be big – just like the steam engine was, or the computer industry – and garage start ups building steam engines, or computers or mouse pads, or LENR devices or things for LENR is an opportunity of their lives.

      And even in the open source community, Linus Torvalds did very well.

      I maintain that we received computers FAR FASTER by Apple building their products then by giving away how to build such a product – that likely is the same for LENR.

      However, if one believes in open source, then support MMFP.

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • akupaku

    Me356 sounds like Rossi 5 years ago, I wonder if it will take him/her 5+ years to build a stable reactor?

    Anyway, good luck!

    • me356 has already invited Bob Greenyer of MFMP to visit him.

  • Well. That is my opinion in any case. If the e-Cat is real, then there is no excuse whatsoever for not utilizing this miracle of an technology on massive scale, of not even making it available to more than a handful of people. Rossi presented the e-Cat in january 2011 promising to have products on the market in a matter of 3 months… now we are in 2016 and still nothing has changed, no product, no big customer(like Apple, Google, GM, NASA) that can openly vouch for the technology, and the reports from the few tests that have been permitted have not stood well against scrutiny. I am not saying Rossi or me356 or others should neccesarily be giving the technology away for free, but just keeping it to themselves is in my opinion a very wrong approach. If this was real, it would be so easy to get massive funding. I am sure that the U.S. governement(or any government for that sake) would absolutely love to massively finance further research on this, if the effect was proven to be real. If it was real why in the world would IH throw away their golden goose that they could make billions with, because of a measily $89 million dollars(would be peanuts if the e-Cat works as promised). Well, maybe it just isn’t real..?

  • Steve Savage

    Snakes and Clowns … funny YOU should bring that up

  • psi2u2

    Having the advantage of all the comments the conclusion is pretty clear to me. Thank you to Bob, once again, for filling in critical details to clarify the facts. It would be nice if others asked more questions and did less speculation, it seems to me.

  • psi2u2

    Very witty. I hope you are wrong.

  • psi2u2

    It’s 1. Its just a fact. ; )

  • LCD

    Lol, i like the attitude but honestly maybe a bit too early for an interview. I mean what was the point?

  • LCD

    Lol, i like the attitude but honestly maybe a bit too early for an interview. I mean what was the point?

    • SD

      A lot of people here spend >1 hour every day reading/writing/thinking about LENR. Any new information is good to take for the LENR addicts (of which I am one)!

  • This is how we know me356 is worthy of significant attention:

    From Bob Greenyer below:
    “I have designed and conducted experiments with him, slept in his lab, ate with his extended family and visited him Physically 3 times over the past year. We supplied materials, loaned equipment, including our Optris and Power Analyser for more than many months when they would otherwise not have been used and I provided many of our best insights to him, insights discussed elsewhere publicly, even here, but not acted on by other parties.”
    http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/05/21/interview-with-me356/#comment-2689477077

    • psi2u2

      I agree, this is a strong statement of Me356’s sincerity, preparedness, and character. We anxiously await further evidence.

  • This is how we know me356 is worthy of significant attention:

    From Bob Greenyer below:
    “I have designed and conducted experiments with him, slept in his lab, ate with his extended family and visited him Physically 3 times over the past year. We supplied materials, loaned equipment, including our Optris and Power Analyser for more than many months when they would otherwise not have been used and I provided many of our best insights to him, insights discussed elsewhere publicly, even here, but not acted on by other parties.”
    http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/05/21/interview-with-me356/#comment-2689477077

    • psi2u2

      I agree, this is a strong statement of Me356’s sincerity, preparedness, and character. We anxiously await further evidence.

  • Thomas Kaminski

    I think we agree. I am perhaps a bit more sarcastic in my presentation. The Atom Bomb research led to the construction of fission-based nuclear power plants. They are now showing that theory reduced to practice might have some unforeseen economic consequences. The hydrogen bomb might have given fusion credibility, but the economic cost of reducing it to practice on a commercial scale is yet to be shown. Numerous experiments have shown that F&P were correct. LENR is in the state of development that is on the verge of economic significance. My point was that since both fusion (via the hydrogen bomb) and LENR (via evolution of F&P experiments) are true, why is it that fusion research (via ITER and other hot fusion experiments) get the funding and LENR does not? Also, why is it that LENR demonstrations are attacked because of experimental inconsistencies, but hot fusion is deemed to be true? I think it has more to do with politics and entrenched researchers who vigorously defend their work. Also, a bit of collective shame that weapons of destruction could not be re-manufactured into tools for societal good.

  • jcerockwood

    ME356 transposed EM365 or Elon Musk all the time?

    • : ) We know with certainty that me356 is not Elon Musk. It may be the one thing we actually know.

  • Rene

    Oh my, this is the classic “If you are not of the body then leave” believer response with a selective out of context quote. To bring back the context I also wrote “…For both of them the only rational choice to take is to wait for them to put something out in the market.”

    I am here because there appears to be a strong possibility of LENR and their are others here working to uncover the means to make it happen, openly. BUT, I am not going to be a true believer. They chose secrecy, fine, now they can deliver product because they are not helping the common good, Until then, what they say is unsubstantiated hoo doo. It is better to support open science.

    • bachcole

      Rene, Frank deleted my response, and after reading your whole comment, I am glad that he did delete my response. I apologize.

      I do not know any true believers here. I also do not want to be a true believer. But faith has to come into one’s thinking somehow. I have faith that my wife is coming home tonight and my son will be home before 2:45 p.m. like I told him. I believe the 2013 Lugano and 2014 Ferrara (sp?) reports. Rossi has delivered (for me) in the past. So I tend to have faith in him. (My son just got home in time.) But Rossi’s latest magical and wonderful E-Cat X is just one miracle too far for me without confirmation, particularly in light the age related physical decline I see in his pictures. But I am utterly and deliberately neutral with regard to the E-Cat X; my credibility meter is deliberately stuck at exactly 50% until we get some independent confirmation. But you seem to be saying that it just ain’t so, and I do not see that the evidence warrants that position.

  • : ) We know with certainty that me356 is not Elon Musk. It may be the one thing we actually know.

  • R101

    Thanks ME365 for taking the time to answer Franks questions. I’m hoping that you can also be a part of the new energy future. Keep up the great work!.

    Frank, thanks for asking the questions too.

  • Roland

    Thank you for remaining circumspect, ME356, as apparently little attention was paid to what I think is a critical phrase; to quote “because very often reactor is melted in a few seconds”

    Prior experimentation has noted significant releases of non-ionizing radiation attending this threshold event. The reaction going exponential (in addition to providing the experimenter with a vivid testament of the reality of LENR) till the apparatus melts down is broadly considered to be the gateway to realizing the necessary conditions governing controlled reactions; reaching this stage also entails obvious risks for the poorly prepared.

    Your placement of safety, safety at the head of the your hierarchy of values, and that you appreciate that this admonition applies to more than the immediate physical risk, speaks wisdom to me.

    • Roland

      BREAKING NEWS: APCO DEMANDS TRANSFER OF LENR DATA TO THE PLA

      In a massive public relations exercise, widely thought to be instigated by the People’s Liberation Army, the well known PR firm APCO has demanded that all the data, designs and methods related to contemporary LENR research and products be immediately conveyed to the PLA as proof of the reality that LENR apparatuses with a COP of >1 exist.

      With the ability of the Chinese economy to establish global hegemony through economic means alone thrown into doubt by the eminent collapse of their financial sector and the prospect that the build out of the PLA’s next generation strategic hardware might be limited by available funds the CCP, it has been widely rumoured, turned to APCO to secure the technology that will insure that the PLA will prevail in the upcoming military conflicts over the South China Sea that many observers believe will determine the long term survival of the CCP.

      When reached earlier today a PLA spokesperson denied any commercial relationship with APCO.

      APCO representatives were unavailable for comment before press time.

      YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST ON RADCAT RADIO!!!

  • Roland

    Thank you for remaining circumspect, ME356, as apparently little attention was paid to what I think is a critical phrase; to quote “because very often reactor is melted in a few seconds”

    Prior experimentation has noted significant releases of non-ionizing radiation attending this threshold event. The reaction going exponential (in addition to providing the experimenter with a vivid testament of the reality of LENR) till the apparatus melts down is broadly considered to be the gateway to realizing the necessary conditions governing controlled reactions; reaching this stage also entails obvious risks for the poorly prepared.

    Your placement of safety, safety at the head of the your hierarchy of values, and that you appreciate that this admonition applies to more than the immediate physical risk, speaks wisdom to me.

    • Roland

      BREAKING NEWS: APCO DEMANDS TRANSFER OF LENR DATA TO THE PLA

      In a massive public relations exercise, widely thought to be instigated by the People’s Liberation Army, the well known PR firm APCO has demanded that all the data, designs and methods related to contemporary LENR research and products be immediately conveyed to the PLA as proof of the reality that LENR apparatuses with a COP of >1 exist.

      With the ability of the Chinese economy to establish global hegemony through economic means alone thrown into doubt by the eminent collapse of their financial sector and the prospect that the build out of the PLA’s next generation strategic hardware might be limited by available funds the CCP, it has been widely rumoured, turned to APCO to secure the technology that will insure that the PLA will prevail in the upcoming military conflicts over the South China Sea that many observers believe will determine the long term survival of the CCP.

      When reached earlier today a PLA spokesperson denied any commercial relationship with APCO.

      APCO representatives were unavailable for comment before press time.

      YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST ON RADCAT RADIO!!!

  • Sanjeev

    http://www.lenr-experiment.tk/
    The site went dark.
    That’s what I mean when I say people with some success in CF start disappearing.

  • help_lenr

    Those who miss me356 giving details about his alleged plasma-fusor-assited LENR — may consider now a similar LENR patented in USA by mizuno hokkahido (?). The details are here:

    http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=1&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=20160155518.PGNR.&OS=DN/20160155518&RS=DN/20160155518

    Mizuno hokkaido is a proffessor of electro-chemistry or so in Japan. See in wikipedia his curriculum vita.

    I said in other threads that nobody can stop these days LENR developments and the pioneer industry will be in Japan at least.