Researchers Create "Dark Hydrogen" in Lab — Believed to Exist on Gas Giant Planets

With thanks to Jack Cole for posting about this on Vortex-l — an article on Gizmag reports about a new theory about ‘dark hydrogen’ on Jupiter.

Layer of strange “dark hydrogen” believed to exist on Jupiter-like planets

Some excerpts:

“Researchers at the Carnegie Institution for Science have just produced a third version of the element in a lab, that they believe is found on gas giant planets like Jupiter and Saturn. They’re calling it dark hydrogen . . . the team compressed hydrogen under pressures ranging from 10,000 to 1.5 million times normal atmospheric pressure. During the compression, a version of hydrogen formed that didn’t reflect or transmit light, thus its “dark” monicker. This dark hydrogen was somewhere between a gas and a metal, and was able to transmit electricity, but only weakly.”

It’s interesting to think about different versions of hydrogen existing. We know that Randell Mills of Brilliant Light Power has a theory of the hydrino (a smaller hydrogen molecule) at the heart of his work. It is also believed by some that LENR reactions are caused by intense pressure of hydrogen molecules inside a metal lattice, so it does make wonder if there might be some relevance to LENR in this research from the Carnegie Institute.

  • Mats002

    ‘Dark hydrogen’ probably is formed when making beta-phase hydrogenated transition metals NiH or PdD.

    Hydrogenation is performed by temperature cycling the transition metal in a H atmosphere (pure H and/or the H isotope D).

    Beta-phase hydrogenation is a state when the pressure on single H or D atoms are very high, experiments points to 10000+ atmospheres,

    More details here: http://www.lookingforheat.com/hydrogenation-nickel-factor-lenr/

    The idea is that after good preparation of the NiH or PdD beta-phase hydrogenated ‘fuel’ (the dark hydrogen inside it) can be nuclear combusted by EMF stimulation from laser, microwave or phonons (physical vibrations in the ultrasound frequency range by electromagnetic stimulation).

    At this stage we have LENR (the Mouse effect) but to get LENR+ (the Cat effect) there is need to use something that the small LENR effect produce (possible slow neutrons or heavy electrons) to stimulate an amplified reaction sequence. Here Lithium or Beryllium or other ‘happy’ elements might be the magic sauce.

    Beta-phase NiH or PdD is known to produce at least 6000 atm of pressure to the hydrogen but possible much higher pressure by formation of Rydberg formation as hexagonal structures of H atoms.

    • Mats00n

      Edit: Beryllium should be Boron.

      Piantelli talked about Li and B as enhancers, AR used Boron as an inside coating in the early iterations of E-Cat.

      • Fedir Mykhaylov

        Boron neutron capture. It will be bad for fuel. It can be used in the outer shell of the reactor – borated steel

        • Mats002

          Ok, thanks for correction Fedir.

          What are your thoughts about Li and Be in the mix? Me356 reported that Li do not have to be in the fuel mix, it is only needed to be in the visible path from NiH, that suggests that the ‘particles’ produced by the mouse is fast enough to travel at least centimeters up decimeters.

          What would beryllium do for an enhanced reaction?

          • Fedir Mykhaylov

            Godes writes about neutron generation with very low energy. I’m not sure that the supplement will cause beryllium neutron multiplication

    • Fedir Mykhaylov

      Perhaps the low-energy neutrons produced in the reactor as Brillouin

  • Mats002

    ‘Dark hydrogen’ probably is formed when making beta-phase hydrogenated transition metals NiH or PdD.

    Hydrogenation is performed by temperature cycling the transition metal in a H atmosphere (pure H and/or the H isotope D).

    Beta-phase hydrogenation is a state when the pressure on single H or D atoms are very high, experiments points to 10000+ atmospheres,

    More details here: http://www.lookingforheat.com/hydrogenation-nickel-factor-lenr/

    The idea is that after good preparation of the NiH or PdD beta-phase hydrogenated ‘fuel’ (the dark hydrogen inside it) can be nuclear combusted by EMF stimulation from laser, microwave or phonons (physical vibrations in the ultrasound frequency range by electromagnetic stimulation).

    At this stage we have LENR (the Mouse effect) but to get LENR+ (the Cat effect) there is need to use something that the small LENR effect produce (possible slow neutrons or heavy electrons) to stimulate an amplified reaction sequence. Here Lithium or Beryllium or other ‘happy’ elements might be the magic sauce.

    Beta-phase NiH or PdD is known to produce at least 6000 atm of pressure to the hydrogen but possible much higher pressure by formation of Rydberg formation as hexagonal structures of H atoms.

    • Mats00n

      Edit: Beryllium should be Boron.

      Piantelli talked about Li and B as enhancers, AR used Boron as an inside coating in the early iterations of E-Cat.

      • Fedir Mykhaylov

        Boron neutron capture. It will be bad for fuel. It can be used in the outer shell of the reactor – borated steel

        • Mats002

          Ok, thanks for correction Fedir.

          What are your thoughts about Li and Be in the mix? Me356 reported that Li do not have to be in the fuel mix, it is only needed to be in the visible path from NiH, that suggests that the ‘particles’ produced by the mouse is fast enough to travel at least centimeters up decimeters.

          What would beryllium do for an enhanced reaction?

          • Fedir Mykhaylov

            Godes writes about neutron generation with very low energy. I’m not sure that the supplement will cause beryllium neutron multiplication

    • Fedir Mykhaylov

      Perhaps the low-energy neutrons produced in the reactor as Brillouin

  • georgehants

    Research as always shows how little science knows, up until a few weeks ago every arrogant planetary expert and teacher has been pompously declaring that science knows for certain, that Pluto is a dead insignificant lump of rock out in the back of beyond with no possible interest.

  • georgehants

    Research as always shows how little science knows, up until a few weeks ago every arrogant planetary expert and teacher has been pompously declaring that science knows for certain, that Pluto is a dead insignificant lump of rock out in the back of beyond with no possible interest.

    • Andy Kumar

      “Research as always shows how little science knows.”
      .
      George, Funny that people who do research are called scientists. They should, more properly, be called science busters -:)

      • georgehants

        Andy, so True, Wonderful science busters, it is only the regrettable education system that has led many unthinking scientists to believe that science has all the answers now.
        All the while we have scientists who believe religious, ridiculous Dogma such as science knows there is no creator etc. then science in many areas is nothing more than a sad joke.
        The answer to almost every scientific question is, we don’t know.
        Science is there only to find the answers not proclaim what can and cannot be, as most have regarding Cold Fusion etc.

        • Andy Kumar

          “The answer to almost every scientific question is, we don’t know.”
          .
          George, it is true, strictly speaking, we don’t know anything. If you ask what is the shape of the earth. We don’t know. It is not a sphere, definitely not flat, is approximately flattened sphere. So when someone answers, earth is a sphere, they are skipping the unspoken understanding between the two parties that the answer is approximate.
          .
          You are a native English speaker, so I may be wrong. But when I say, I am reading Shakespeare – it is understood that I am reading *a book written by* Shakespeare.

          • Omega Z

            ->”when I say, I am reading Shakespeare – it is understood that I am reading *a book written by* Shakespeare”

            Ahh Yes, But even that is no longer considered certain.

            It may be that the works of Shakespeare was actually the work of multiple writers. That Shakespeare was just a branding…

            We really need that time machine or at the very least, a history remote viewer…

          • Andy Kumar

            Omega,
            To incorporate new knowledge from your research, we will have to restate our understanding.
            .
            I am reading Shakespeare == I am reading (a book erroneously believed, by general public, to have been written by) Shakespeare (who in scholarly view (most likely | almost certainly) was not a real historical person).
            .
            George will argue that the reality may be such that our linguistic constructs are incapable of grasping it. Hence we reach the conclusion that reality is unknowable, kind of like Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem.
            .
            Anyway it is refreshing to have this quite little philosophical corner compared to emotionally charged Rossiville on the rest of the blog.

  • georgehants

    Andy, so True, Wonderful scientists, it is only the regrettable education that has led many unthinking scientists to believe that science has all the answers now.
    The answer to almost every scientific question is, we don’t know.

  • optiongeek

    So if dark matter is the most prevalent form of matter in the universe, with hydrogen a distant but still dominant second, and furthermore we’ve now learned that hydrogen can indeed become “dark” under certain circumstances, doesn’t it make sense that dark matter is really this special form of dark hydrogen? Very interested to see the properties of this darkb hydrogen can be ascertained.

    • Michael W Wolf

      Not dark hydrogen. Someone has already discovered and named it. It was Mills and he named it Hydrinos. Establishment can’t be Johnny come lately and ignore Mills and change the name of the already discovered hydrino. And how much funding did they have compared to Mills, who is now making use of this transition? For all we know this is their attempt to co-opt Mills’ theory. I trust them as far as I can smell them.

      • optiongeek

        I only use the term dark hydrogen in this context because “hydrino” tends cause eyes to roll back in their sockets. FWIW I agree with you 100%.