Brillliant Light Power Posts Demo Video

Thanks to optiongeek for positing the following.

The video of the June 28th demo at Brilliant Light Power has now been posted. It shows a device with a reaction chamber the size of a tea cup capable of producing over 1MW sustained energy output with a power gain of over 100x. The process is measured via bomb calorimetry, among a number of other sophisticated techniques. Mills claims he is on track to producing a fully commercialized device by 1H17.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Nice

  • PappyYokum

    Mills is perpetually 6 to 18 months away from having a commercial product.

    • But the logo progress is impressive.

      Except I think they probably mean that to be a sun and a water drop, but it looks like an oil drop!

    • Michael W Wolf

      That is not accurate. You hold Mills to the highest standard of accuracy, while you have lowest standard for yourself.

    • Ged

      A commercialization race would be healthy and highly needed. Glad BL is still pushing forward and to that end I hope for their success.

  • Svein

    What about the pressconference? Has it been held?

    • pelgrim108

      There is a video of the shareholders meeting of june 28th.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjJYg4Abv50

    • artefact

      Mills wrote three days ago: “Maybe we will do press
      release. There are pluses and minuses to informing the world of our
      technology and commercial potential.”

    • LookMoo

      Product Certification for something that explodes is a hard sell.

      Remembering that along time ago.. when they started large ship engines (before they used compressed air). They used dynamite to get the cylinders going.

    • Gerard McEk

      In short moments the reactor may produce a lot more power than the input power. But the power required for the total process like te aparatus around it and e.g. the energy to melt the silver needs to be taken into account to know if the net energy is more then the input energy over a longer time.

      • Job001

        No, melting the silver is negligible for continuous operation and is kept hot by the waste heat. Continuous COP is about 117, see 2hr 12 min into video.

        • Bob Greenyer

          And there are claims that some observers have witnessed some reactor embodiments running for “over 30 mins” though most runs appear to be under 10 mins.

      • Axil Axil

        This high overhead input power is the reason why Mills claims his reaction produces megawatts of power production in his presentations.

        • Gerard McEk

          That is exactly my thought regarding this. It sells better to the investors.

  • Svein

    What about the pressconference? Has it been held?

    • pelgrim108

      Sorry , tried to dubbelpost something.

    • artefact

      Mills wrote three days ago: “Maybe we will do press
      release. There are pluses and minuses to informing the world of our
      technology and commercial potential.”

  • But the logo progress is impressive.

    Except I think they probably mean that to be a sun and a water drop, but it looks like an oil drop!

  • f sedei

    VERY impressive. Brilliant Light seems to have their act together. Good luck to them.

  • f sedei

    VERY impressive. Brilliant Light seems to have their act together. Good luck to them.

  • Michael W Wolf

    I am still skeptical that the CPV’s will hold up to the intensity of the suncell. The rep said 6 months to 15 years. Which means he doesn’t know. Let’s keep our fingers crossed. This is Mills’ last obstacle to bringing it to market I think.

  • Ged

    A commercialization race would be healthy and highly needed. Glad BL is still pushing forward and to that end I hope for their success.

  • I cant believe he bored those guys for that long on his theory again. ouch. Just needs to get to the punch line a lot quicker. How much, how many and when!?

  • Axil Axil

    The hydrino meme will keep the nuclear concerns about the suncell minimized because the power is theorized to come from only chemical means.

    But when someone looks at the transmutation results derived from the silver ash used, the nuclear concerns will arise.

    It is hard to accept that a 5,000,000 watt explosion of light can come from a chemical reaction.

  • Axil Axil

    The hydrino meme will keep the nuclear concerns about the suncell minimized because the power is theorized to come from only chemical means.

    But when someone looks at the transmutation results derived from the silver ash used, the nuclear concerns will arise.

    It is hard to accept that a 5,000,000 watt explosion of light can come from a chemical reaction.

    I would also like to look for He3 buildup in the argon gas blanket.

    • Thedielectricwars

      This isn’t a conventional chemical reaction though. Mills says it’s in between a chemical and nuclear reaction.

  • bachcole

    Should I watch it or is it another lame Mills demo?

    • optiongeek

      He has a device that melts heavy tungsten electrodes and vaporizes large qualities of silver on demand with the input being only two small super caps. Is that something that might be of interest?

    • Don’t watch. Same old Mills demo with promises he won’t fulfill.

  • MasterBlaster7

    Nope…still cant take BLP seriously

  • MasterBlaster7

    Nope…still cant take BLP seriously

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Question. Did IH fall for this? Did they enter into a 100 million plus contract with Rossi and then decide BLP was a better vehicle to hook their wagon to and therefore decide to brake Rossi contract? Got a kick out of one of the questions and answers: What is the time line for converting trucks to your product? Answer: Within a year. Ha, ha, ha.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Question. Did IH fall for this? Did they enter into a 100 million plus contract with Rossi and then decide BLP was a better vehicle to hook their wagon to and therefore decide to brake Rossi contract? Got a kick out of one of the questions and answers: What is the time line for converting trucks to your product? Answer: Within a year. Ha, ha, ha.

  • James Weil

    This is the same tech he has worked on all along. He had a major break through in 2014, advancing his previous work, allowing water to be exploded in a brilliant light. The previous work was based on the same theory but converted the energy in the form of heat. Since the light discovery, they have progressed very quickly. Given the very short time line given by the company we won’t have to wait long to find out if they are right. BLP is much further along then Rossi.

    • akupaku

      I have the opposite feeling, Rossi is much further in commercialization than BLP. With the condition that what we have heard of either party is somewhat accurate.

  • optiongeek

    Lots of evidence presented showing massive power gain. Of course you can simply look at the quality of vaporized silver throw off by the reaction to understand the power scale of the reaction. Two little super capacitors cannot vaporize multi-gram quantities of silver on their own.

    It seems like the only important design goal left to getting a long-run steady state is the incorporation of refractive materials in the reaction chamber. There is too much power building up in this design generation and melting the heavy tungsten electrodes.

  • optiongeek

    Lots of evidence presented showing massive power gain. Of course you can simply look at the quality of vaporized silver throw off by the reaction to understand the power scale of the reaction. Two little super capacitors cannot vaporize multi-gram quantities of silver on their own.

    It seems like the only important design goal left to getting a long-run steady state is the incorporation of refractive materials in the reaction chamber. There is too much power building up in this design generation and melting the heavy tungsten electrodes.

  • Leonard Weinstein

    I am afraid there are a couple of fly’s in the soup. The total world quantity of Tungsten is more than an order of magnitude too rare for the extremely large number of proposed structures suggested. In addition, China and Russia control most of the worlds reserves of this metal. The total world quantity of Silver is also more than an order of magnitude to low for the extremely wide spread use as the system as described. It may be possible to overcome these limitations, but there needs to be alternative materials. I am suggesting a couple here:
    1) Use Carbon fiber structures, with a thin Tungsten coating for the light source and structures, with adequate cooling water and structural backup. This can take the temperature, and the thin Tungsten coating avoids the Carbon vapor problem.
    2) Find another metal or alloy that is much more plentiful than Silver to make the spray metal short. I don’t know the limitations of the metal used, but Sodium, Potassium, Zinc, Aluminum, or some other metal may do.

    • Axil Axil

      There could be a struggle to meet the solar energy targets many countries have set because the current global supply of rare metals needed to produce PVs is unlikely to meet demand, according to a November 2011 study reported in Resources, Conservation and Recycling.

      The study, “Considerations of Resource Availability in Technology Development Strategies: The Case of Photovoltaics,” looked at the four main PV technologies: crystalline silicon (c-Si), amorphous silicon (a-Si), cadmium tellurium (CdTe) and copper indium gallium diselenide (CIGS). Some of the critical materials are silver, tellurium and indium, while neither cadmium nor copper were found to be seriously limited. For example, researches found that the predicted demand for tellurium could be between 30 and 180 times higher than today’s production rate, depending on the scenario used.

  • Leonard Weinstein

    I am afraid there are a couple of fly’s in the soup. The total world quantity of Tungsten is more than an order of magnitude too rare for the extremely large number of proposed structures suggested. In addition, China and Russia control most of the worlds reserves of this metal. The total world quantity of Silver is also more than an order of magnitude to low for the extremely wide spread use as the system as described. It may be possible to overcome these limitations, but there needs to be alternative materials. I am suggesting a couple here:
    1) Use Carbon fiber structures, with a thin Tungsten coating for the light source and structures, with adequate cooling water and structural backup. This can take the temperature, and the thin Tungsten coating avoids the Carbon vapor problem.
    2) Find another metal or alloy that is much more plentiful than Silver to make the spray metal short. I don’t know the limitations of the metal used, but Sodium, Potassium, Zinc, Aluminum, or some other metal may do.

    • Axil Axil

      There could be a struggle to meet the solar energy targets many countries have set because the current global supply of rare metals needed to produce PVs is unlikely to meet demand, according to a November 2011 study reported in Resources, Conservation and Recycling.

      The study, “Considerations of Resource Availability in Technology Development Strategies: The Case of Photovoltaics,” looked at the four main PV technologies: crystalline silicon (c-Si), amorphous silicon (a-Si), cadmium tellurium (CdTe) and copper indium gallium diselenide (CIGS). Some of the critical materials are silver, tellurium and indium, while neither cadmium nor copper were found to be seriously limited. For example, researches found that the predicted demand for tellurium could be between 30 and 180 times higher than today’s production rate, depending on the scenario used.

  • Axil Axil

    The Rossi Quark and the SunCell are basically identical in terms of cost of manufacture because all those costs are concentrated in the PV cells.

    If Rossi goes the steam route, he becomes non competitive.

  • Axil Axil

    The Rossi Quark and the SunCell are basically identical in terms of cost of manufacture because all those costs are concentrated in the PV cells.

    If Rossi goes the steam route, he becomes non competitive.

    • enantiomer2000

      Agreed. Only if Rossi can get a commercial electric ecat within a year will he be able to compete. He has explicitly stated his first commercial products will be to generate heat only so I don’t think he has much chance

  • No way they’re gonna have a commercial product by 1H17 with all those sparks flying around.

    • LookMoo

      Product Certification for something that explodes is a hard sell.

      Remembering that along time ago.. when they started large ship engines (before they used compressed air). They used dynamite to get the cylinders going.

    • deleo77

      It’s only sending off sparks because they are running it in an open environment for the demonstration. It won’t give off sparks or smoke in a fully enclosed SunCell.

      • Axil Axil

        Mills says that he must produce HOH to make the suncell work, so the glovebox is gas tight and filled with argon with some amount of oxygen included. The production sunscell will be no different.

  • Axil Axil

    I predict that the SunCell when running in continuous mode, will produce a large electrostatic charge like the Quark reactor does.

  • Axil Axil

    I predict that the SunCell when running in continuous mode, will produce a large electrostatic charge like the Quark reactor does.

  • Axil Axil

    Where does the power come from to start the SunCell up? The cell must melt silver to get going. Must it remain on at all times? Does it require a grid connection or a large rechargeable battery? Is this startup expense figured in the deployment costs?

    • Michael W Wolf

      the power comes from capacitors when the unit is ready. Right now it comes from the grid.

      • Axil Axil

        I beleive that the capacitors are used to produce the arc but not to melt the silver. Melting metal takes a lot of power storage.

    • DrD

      Mills said it remains on 24/7. When not needed, the power is dumped.

  • Axil Axil

    Where does the power come from to start the SunCell up? The cell must melt silver to get going. Must it remain on at all times? Does it require a grid connection or a large rechargeable battery? Is this startup expense figured in the deployment costs?

    • Michael W Wolf

      the power comes from capacitors when the unit is ready. Right now it comes from the grid.

      • Axil Axil

        I beleive that the capacitors are used to produce the arc but not to melt the silver. Melting metal takes a lot of power storage.

        • Michael W Wolf

          He stated that the suncell will be a stand alone unit off the grid and actually supply power to the grid.

    • DrD

      Mills said it remains on 24/7. When not needed, the power is dumped.

  • Axil Axil

    Rossi produces 40% heat and the SunCell produces 70% heat. The Quark in more efficient.

  • Axil Axil

    Rossi produces 40% heat and the SunCell produces 70% heat. The Quark in more efficient.

  • Axil Axil

    In the demo of the live reaction beginning at 1:18:16, the reaction lasted for about 2 minutes before the reactor melted down. This is something the BLP needs to work on.

  • Axil Axil

    In the demo of the live reaction beginning at 1:18:16, the reaction lasted for about 2 minutes before the reactor melted down. This is something the BLP needs to work on.

  • Axil Axil

    I noticed in the live demo that the rubber glove was inflating from pressure increase during the light flashes. This is what the Papp cell does.

    • Robert Dorr

      I watched the entire video and what I noticed most was what seemed to be an uncontrollable amount of molten metal and vapor. If you watch the globe/dome in the glovebox you’ll notice a river of molten metal flowing out of the bottom of the device. I see a massive consumption of material and I would say that he appears to be a lot further from a usable product than he implies. I think he’s got something, but he’s got a lot of work to do.

      • Axil Axil

        He could get the same results by using noble gases but then the Papp patent has expired and that tech now is open source.

        When Russ Gries did the Papp replication, I did not think to tell him to use PV cells to capture the power of the light coming out of that cylinder. The light was very bright,

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U0SwbtaZ00

      • Roland

        Mills was asked directly, while discussing the silver vapour to liquid cycle, whether the upper dome to the Suncell had ever been attached so that the silver phase change cycle could be operationally confirmed.

        That resulted in a few minutes of dancing around the question and a barely disguised non-reply.

        Intuition suggests that, like an earlier iteration’s use of a gear driven ‘fuel’ delivery and ignition system, the confinement of the substantial liberated energies at high temperatures in a limited volume presents significant engineering challenges.

        On the other hand Mills appears to be several steps closer to a useful ignition rate, though still some distance removed from the stated goal of 2,000 ignitions/second (every 0.5 milliseconds). The sonic clue, which Mills referenced, put the current rate around every 80-120 milliseconds (guesstimate) when the device appeared to be running ‘smoothly’. A fairly precise analysis ought to be possible with some forensic audio tools.

        A similar amount of waffling occurred when pressed on the length of the full power runs achieved to date; interestingly the limiting factor for run times with the open topped Suncell, as conveyed by Mills, was the inability to manage the silver phase cycle in a glove box.

        • Axil Axil

          In order to make the hylon cycle to work, the temperature of the electrodes and gas envelope must get under 1000C. This requirement puts a limit on the duty cycle that Mills can run at, The reaction needs to cook down to under 1000C and the liquid silver washing over the electrodes does not help that cool down at all.

  • Axil Axil

    I noticed in the live demo that the rubber glove was inflating from pressure increase during the light flashes. This is what the Papp cell does.

    • Robert Dorr

      I watched the entire video and what I noticed most was what seemed to be an uncontrollable amount of molten metal and vapor. If you watch the globe/dome in the glovebox you’ll notice a river of molten metal flowing out of the bottom of the device. I see a massive consumption of material and I would say that he appears to be a lot further from a usable product than he implies. I think he’s got something, but he’s got a lot of work to do.

      • Axil Axil

        He could get the same results by using noble gases but then the Papp patent has expired and that tech now is open source.

        When Russ Gries did the Papp replication, I did not think to tell him to use PV cells to capture the power of the light coming out of that cylinder. The light was very bright,

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U0SwbtaZ00

      • Roland

        Mills was asked directly, while discussing the silver vapour to liquid cycle, whether the upper dome to the Suncell had ever been attached so that the silver phase change cycle could be operationally confirmed.

        That resulted in a few minutes of dancing around the question and a barely disguised non-reply.

        Intuition suggests that, like an earlier iteration’s use of a gear driven ‘fuel’ delivery and ignition system, the confinement of the substantial liberated energies at high temperatures in a limited volume presents significant engineering challenges.

        On the other hand Mills appears to be several steps closer to a useful ignition rate, though still some distance removed from the stated goal of 2,000 ignitions/second (every 0.5 milliseconds). The sonic clue, which Mills referenced, put the current rate around every 80-120 milliseconds (guesstimate) when the device appeared to be running ‘smoothly’. A fairly precise analysis ought to be possible with some forensic audio tools.

        A similar amount of waffling occurred when pressed on the length of the full power runs achieved to date; interestingly the limiting factor for run times with the open topped Suncell, as conveyed by Mills, was the inability to manage the silver phase cycle in a glove box.

        • Axil Axil

          In order to make the hylon cycle to work, the temperature of the electrodes and gas envelope must get under 1000C. This requirement puts a limit on the duty cycle that Mills can run at, The reaction needs to cook down to under 1000C and the liquid silver washing over the electrodes does not help that cool down at all.

  • deleo77

    It’s only sending off sparks because they are running it in an open environment for the demonstration. It won’t give off sparks or smoke in a fully enclosed SunCell.

    • Axil Axil

      Mills says that he must produce HOH to make the suncell work, so the glovebox is gas tight and filled with argon with some amount of oxygen included. The production sunscell will be no different.

  • Jas

    I watched the video all the way through earlier this morning. I tried finding the exact point that the input/output values were read out. Cant find it but remeber it was 7 ish in and 900 ish out. So thats a cop of about 125?

    • Axil Axil

      At 1:27:00 the calorimeter results state 144 In and 440 0ut. COP = 3.06

      • optiongeek

        Mills corrects someone else who mis-interpreted the 3x COP power gain. Apparently this measurement as taken is not representative of the machine operating in steady state:

        “Please get your facts straight. The input power during ignition is typically 25kW and the output is typically 600 kW. The reaction is volume constrained in the calorimeter cell; so, the power is higher in the optical cell, over 1 MW. Same for the CG. The shot has to be melted in the calorimeter; whereas, we use recycled molten silver in the CG which is the commercial case. The gain is about 100X during power generation.” – R. Mills

        • Axil Axil

          For we who are interested bystanders, I say “Time will tell” but for the investor, they might say “show me the 100 COP, and you will see my money.”

          • Job001

            The 3.06 COP was for an inefficient calorimetry bomb measurement to show another cool validation, quite undeniable.

            The operating equipment integral COP was 117 with 7.6Kw input and 895Kw heat output. When they have the PV working at say 35% efficient the 895Kw will make about 303KW net electricity and 578Kw as heat.

            ps:I watched the entire presentation, I understand the heat balances and the spectrometry, It is well done!

    • Jas

      Ok I found it. At 2 hours and 12 minutes we see that 7.6 kw goes in and 895 goes out.

      • If 7.6 kW goes in over 1 second and 895 kW is measured over 8 ms then there would be a net loss of energy. I’m not saying that’s the case, but I want to illustrate that COP cannot be determined by power numbers alone.

        It’s the integral of power over time that determines the total energy, both in and out.

        • Job001

          They did the interval and got about 117 COP. Assume a 35% efficiency. They will output 7.6Kw x 117×0.35 = 311Kw – 7.6Kw input or 303Kw net out as electricity and 7.6Kw x 117×0.65 = 578Kw as heat loss. The heat loss is not significant since it has near zero cost and is not worth recovery cost or complexity.

          • Axil Axil

            Mills needs to make the reaction cooler. He is melting his electrodes. He might use Xenon instead of silver, or I suggest at way to remove destructive levels of heat from those electrodes: use a heat pipe. A heat pipe might be made to operate at 3400C, but it would be custom product and it might be possible to build.

            Unless Mills solves the electrode meltdown problem, he has nothing but a capital raising demo in the SunCell.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Mills needs to close the loop then debates on net power will end.

            To close the loop – Axil is right, you would need to keep the reactor from melting down.

  • Jas

    I watched the video all the way through earlier this morning. I tried finding the exact point that the input/output values were read out. Cant find it but remeber it was 7 ish in and 900 ish out. So thats a cop of about 125?

    • Axil Axil

      At 1:27:00 the calorimeter results state 144 In and 440 0ut. COP = 3.06

      Mills claims 300-600 Kws out and 25 Kws in,

      You can expect COP = 3 in the steady state.

      Why is the a difference between actual and claimed power output.

      There is a difference between instantaneous power and average power.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsed_power

      “Steady accumulation of energy followed by its rapid release can result in the delivery of a larger amount of instantaneous power over a shorter period of time (although the total energy is the same). Energy is typically stored within electrostatic fields (capacitors), magnetic fields (inductor), as mechanical energy (using large flywheels connected to special purpose high current alternators), or as chemical energy (high-current lead-acid batteries, or explosives). By releasing the stored energy over a very short interval (a process that is called energy compression), a huge amount of peak power can be delivered to a load. For example, if one joule of energy is stored within a capacitor and then evenly released to a load over one second, the average power delivered to the load would only be 1 watt. However, if all of the stored energy were released within one microsecond, the average power would be one megawatt, a million times greater. Examples where pulsed power technology is commonly used include radar, particle accelerators, ultrastrong magnetic fields, fusion research, electromagnetic pulses, and high power pulsed lasers.”

      • optiongeek

        Mills corrects someone else who mis-interpreted the 3x COP power gain. Apparently this measurement as taken is not representative of the machine operating in steady state:

        “Please get your facts straight. The input power during ignition is typically 25kW and the output is typically 600 kW. The reaction is volume constrained in the calorimeter cell; so, the power is higher in the optical cell, over 1 MW. Same for the CG. The shot has to be melted in the calorimeter; whereas, we use recycled molten silver in the CG which is the commercial case. The gain is about 100X during power generation.” – R. Mills

        • Axil Axil

          For we who are interested bystanders, I say “Time will tell” but for the investor, they might say “show me the 100 COP, and you will see my money.”

          • Job001

            The 3.06 COP was for an inefficient calorimetry bomb measurement to show another cool validation, quite undeniable.

            The operating equipment integral COP was 117 with 7.6Kw input and 895Kw heat output. When they have the PV working at say 35% efficient the 895Kw will make about 303KW net electricity and 578Kw as heat.

            ps:I watched the entire presentation, I understand the heat balances and the spectrometry, It is well done!

    • Jas

      Ok I found it. At 2 hours and 12 minutes we see that 7.6 kw goes in and 895 goes out.

      • If 7.6 kW goes in over 1 second and 895 kW is measured over 8 ms then there would be a net loss of energy. I’m not saying that’s the case, but I want to illustrate that COP cannot be determined by power numbers alone.

        It’s the integral of power over time that determines the total energy, both in and out.

        • Job001

          They did the integral and got about 117 COP. Assume a 35% efficiency. They will output 7.6Kw x 117×0.35 = 311Kw – 7.6Kw input or 303Kw net out as electricity and 7.6Kw x 117×0.65 = 578Kw as heat loss. The heat loss is not significant since it has near zero cost and is not worth recovery cost or complexity.

          • Axil Axil

            Mills needs to make the reaction cooler. He is melting his electrodes. He might use Xenon instead of silver, or I suggest at way to remove destructive levels of heat from those electrodes: use a heat pipe. A heat pipe might be made to operate at 3400C, but it would be custom product and it might be possible to build.

            Unless Mills solves the electrode meltdown problem, he has nothing but a capital raising demo in the SunCell.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Mills needs to close the loop then debates on net power will end.

            To close the loop – Axil is right, you would need to keep the reactor from melting down.

  • Gerard McEk

    In short moments the reactor may produce a lot more power than the input power. But the power required for the total process like te aparatus around it and e.g. the energy to melt the silver needs to be taken into account to know if the net energy is more then the input energy over a longer time.

    • Job001

      No, melting the silver is negligible for continuous operation and is kept hot by the waste heat. Continuous COP is about 117, see 2hr 12 min into video.

      • Bob Greenyer

        And there are claims that some observers have witnessed some reactor embodiments running for “over 30 mins” though most runs appear to be under 10 mins.

    • Wholewitt

      From what I saw the silver is melted but then it gets vaporized so no further power is used to melt it after that. In a long term use the energy for the original melt would be negligible.

    • Axil Axil

      This high overhead input power is the reason why Mills claims his reaction produces megawatts of power production in his presentations.

      • Gerard McEk

        That is exactly my thought regarding this. It sells better to the investors.

  • artefact

    BLP Press release:

    “Brilliant Light Power, Inc. Announces the Validation of the Generation of over a Million of Watts of Power in the Volume of a Coffee Cup from the Conversion of Water Fuel to a New Form of Hydrogen”

    http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160711005351/en/Brilliant-Light-Power-Announces-Validation-Generation-Million

  • artefact

    BLP Press release:

    “Brilliant Light Power, Inc. Announces the Validation of the Generation of over a Million of Watts of Power in the Volume of a Coffee Cup from the Conversion of Water Fuel to a New Form of Hydrogen”

    http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160711005351/en/Brilliant-Light-Power-Announces-Validation-Generation-Million

    • Michael W Wolf

      Magnificent! Some establishment name dropping going on, might feed the skeptic hogs.

  • Axil Axil

    Mills must produce a steady reaction to get that 100 COP. But that reaction would be damn hard to keep going without melting down the reactor. Cooling such high heat has been done with rocket nozzles, but that took engineers awhile to figure out how to do that tech.

    • Job001

      Mills demonstrated 117 COP. View at 2hr 12min in the video. A steady reaction rate is not required, just the necessary frequency. PV cooling was demonstrated to 10,000 suns while the engineering design point is for 2,000 suns. Silver melts at 961C so it is available as a protective cooling liquid in the reaction chamber, so, cooling is not a big deal.

      • Axil Axil
        • Job001

          Come on Axil, the power is only on for about 5% of the time, then the high energy short wavelengths get shifted by the silver gas into a longer wavelength visible long pulse energy tailored for the PV. How often this cycle is run doesn’t require a duty cycle change.

          • Axil Axil

            What produces more light, a candle that flickers or one that does not?

          • Job001

            The high energy short wavelength fast flicker release converts into a long wavelength long period release due to the silver gas absorption and broad spectrum visible lower energy longer wavelength emission, which is less flicker, one might proclaim. However, practically, who cares about flicker? The PV can handle it.

            Additionally, the Mill’s flicker candle does COP 117 while the calorimeter non-flicker concept only does COP 3.06.

    • Bob Greenyer

      He needs to slow the ‘burn rate’

  • Axil Axil

    http://www2.mpq.mpg.de/APS/data/dissertationen/LupettiMattia.pdf

    See page 55

    The XUV light is coming from the polaritons formed by the silver nanoparticles that are being produced by the condensation of silver plasma. The small sizes of those particles produce very high frequency XUV light. The presence of hydrogen as a dielectric is what produces the SPPs in the silver vapor condinsate.

    The light is intense at 10^^14 watts/cm2

    Noble gases can replace silver to get a comparable xuv light intensity without requiring the power required to vaporize the silver. See page 60.

  • Axil Axil

    http://www2.mpq.mpg.de/APS/data/dissertationen/LupettiMattia.pdf

    See page 55

    The XUV light is coming from the polaritons formed by the silver nanoparticles that are being produced by the condensation of silver plasma. The small sizes of those particles produce very high frequency XUV light. The presence of hydrogen as a dielectric is what produces the SPPs in the silver vapor condinsate.

    The light is intense at 10^^14 watts/cm2

    Noble gases can replace silver to get a comparable xuv light intensity without requiring the power required to vaporize the silver. See page 60.

  • jimbo92107

    If this is real, then it looks like Rossi is on the verge of losing the race to a company that is much more open and integrated with industrial partners. Rossi’s secretive speculation factory cannot compete with a friendly, cooperative guy like Mills.

    • Job001

      I understand the spectroscopy and it is real.

      • Roland

        Hi Job001,

        Exactly.

        Hi Jimbo,

        The critical element in the commercial race is that Rossi has already completed a year long beta test of a currently commercially viable product, and that the next round of optimization is already underway.

        Additionally; the Quark produces raw power at an estimated $.001/kWh.

        The Quark runs at a manageable 1,570C.

        The Quark starts producing continuous power in seconds.

        The Quark is already scaled all the way down to 100W, prepositioning it to be useful over an enormous range of applications.

        The Quark is dead simple, as we currently understand the situation, from a manufacturing perspective.

        The Quark has an estimated capital cost of $50.00/kW of output.

        And on the other hand; exactly how long does is take to prep an open Suncell so it’ll sputter along prior to brief episodes of continuous ignition?

        What, exactly, happened when they bolted the top on and fired it up (or are we to pretend they haven’t tried yet)?

        Is there a viable (i.e. tested even once) PV design yet?

        None of this is intended to denigrate Mills’ accomplishments (including my post further down) as they are substantial, but it’s probably much to soon to count either party out.

        • Job001

          I’m happy if both succeed, and strong evidence supports both and more. Solar PV, wind, Gen IV MSR, efficient use(LED+), and biological energies will also continue to improve. The field of cheap energy will have super competition. I’m good with that, may the fastest toughest horses win!

          It really serves the cartels right, they were nasty and created this competitive response.

          • DrD

            There’s more than enough room for them both.
            Without the “nuclear” label we might find Mills solutions in our homes long before Andrea’s.
            They both have their pro’s and con’s and a bit of price competition wouldn’t go amiss.

        • Axil Axil

          It took Rossi 5 years to keep his reactors from melting down, how long will Mills take to do the same?

      • jimbo92107

        Then we are one year from the great revolution. Should be interesting.

  • jimbo92107

    If this is real, then it looks like Rossi is on the verge of losing the race to a company that is much more open and integrated with industrial partners. Rossi’s secretive speculation factory cannot compete with a friendly, cooperative guy like Mills.

    • bachcole

      Mills is friendly, unless of course you don’t follow him.

    • Job001

      I understand the spectroscopy and it is real.

      • Roland

        Hi Job001,

        Exactly.

        Hi Jimbo,

        The critical element in the commercial race is that Rossi has already completed a year long beta test of a currently commercially viable product, and that the next round of optimization is already underway.

        Additionally; the Quark produces raw power at an estimated $.001/kWh.

        The Quark runs at a manageable 1,570C.

        The Quark starts producing continuous power in seconds.

        The Quark is already scaled all the way down to 100W, prepositioning it to be useful over an enormous range of applications.

        The Quark is dead simple, as we currently understand the situation, from a manufacturing perspective.

        The Quark has an estimated capital cost of $50.00/kW of output.

        And on the other hand; exactly how long does is take to prep an open Suncell so it’ll sputter along prior to brief episodes of continuous ignition?

        What, exactly, happened when they bolted the top on and fired it up (or are we to pretend they haven’t tried yet)?

        Is there a viable (i.e. tested even once) PV design yet?

        None of this is intended to denigrate Mills’ accomplishments (including my post further down) as they are substantial, but it’s probably much to soon to count either party out.

        • Job001

          I’m happy if both succeed, and strong evidence supports both and more. Solar PV, wind, Gen IV MSR, efficient use(LED+), and biological energies will also continue to improve. The field of cheap energy will have super competition. I’m good with that, may the fastest toughest horses win!

          It really serves the cartels right, they were nasty and created this competitive response.

          • DrD

            There’s more than enough room for them both.
            Without the “nuclear” label we might find Mills solutions in our homes long before Andrea’s.
            They both have their pro’s and con’s and a bit of price competition wouldn’t go amiss.

        • Axil Axil

          It took Rossi 5 years to keep his reactors from melting down, how long will Mills take to do the same?

      • jimbo92107

        Then we are one year from the great revolution. Should be interesting.

    • optiongeek

      I wouldn’t describe Mills as “friendly”. He can be down right prickly when challenged. However, he is extremely open with his methods, at least as compared to Rossi.

      • jimbo92107

        I guess we’ll see in about a year if Mills comes up with a real product, or if we get another round of excuses like we always get from Rossi. LENR so far is just a smaller-scale version of hot fusion – the first products are always just out of reach. That feeling of dangling on a string never seems to go away.

      • Axil Axil

        Is Mills living in a state of delusion or his he covering up what is really going on?

  • Axil Axil

    Near the end of the video, during the Q&A, Mills talks about this problem if electrode erosion and said BLP have a solution that is based on the halogen cycle. Here is a link to a site that talks about how this keeps a halogen bulb’s filament from burning out too quickly.

    http://www.litetronics.com/lighting-technology/how-does-the-halogen-cycle-work.htm

    In order to get this cycle to work, the tungsten electrodes must cool down from the 3400C temperatures that they run at when active, This will reduce the duty cycle.

    Furthermore, if the process that produces overunity power production in the SunCell is LENR instead of hydrino, a buildup of transmuted elements of many kinds will accumulate over time.

    If LENR is the source of overunity, I will be interested in the problems that this transmutation interference in the chemistry inside the SunCell causes for Mills, and I wonder if Mills will admit to such a problem if it does in fact exist?

    • Roland

      Mills has definitively established that the Suncell produces energy by the conversion of hydrogen to hydrinos as demonstrated by the data streams from the instruments on hand; this has also been independently, and repeatedly, confirmed in several iterations of hydrino technology.

      This is not a form of LENR, as described to date in its multiplicity of pathways, and there is no chemistry to analyze and, to date, no evidence of isotopic transmutation associated with any method of hydrino formation.

      Unlike LENR, in all it’s forms, Mills has a solid theoretical foundation for his technology and an exhaustively precise explanation of the hydrino and why the general and specific technology works.

      • Axil Axil

        For awhile now, I have thought that R. Mills has not seen the whole picture. This concentration on the hydrino as “effect” has stopped Mills from producing useful results for the last 20 years.

        The hydrino only existed in condensed matter. There may be causes produced by condensed matter that produce hydrinos. Those causes could also produce LENR.

        It is hard to beleive that a COP of 1000 can come from chemistry, the cause must be nuclear. How can water contain all that energy in the megawatts?

        Other arc experiments have all shown transmutation, and the SunCell will too. Its nuclear and not chemical.

        If you put in a few kilowatts into a reaction and get 5,000,000 watts out: that is nuclear.

        Viewing effect as cause is pervasive in LENR. Mills is a good experimentalist. Looking at his data and ideas just requires selectivity,

        • Roland

          I agree that no one has a complete description to date; even aside from the current conflicts over theory the evolution of our views are driven by the necessity of including a growing body phenomena.

          Even now the list of phenomena has outstripped the physics based theories to date; this is where the current list of ‘acceptable’ reality descriptors comes into play.

          None of which, however, excuses your egregious order of magnitude errors.

          The ability to correctly ‘ballpark’ your way to the correct order of magnitude is a pretty essential critical skill if you propose to make any kind of sustainable argument for your views.

          From here it looks for all the world like the order of magnitude errors exist solely to get you one zero closer to being able to say ‘nuclear’, which is discomfiting.

          • Axil Axil

            The numbers are not my numbers but the numbers that Mills gave in the video before his investors. Of course, in reality the numbers could be less like the COP of 3 that came from the calorimeter. That is a chemisty type numbers,

          • Job001

            The operating equipment integrated spectroscopy COP of 117 is also a surprising chemistry number given hydrino catalyzed formation.
            The spectroscopic work they have done should receive a Nobel prize for advancing the state of the art all the way down from above visible to near zero wavelength where the high energy release of transitions to sub ground state hydrogen electron orbit changes , in theory, must occur.
            Super spectroscopic results!

          • Roland

            No COP of 1,000 appears in the presentation.

        • Job001

          Mills has been getting 117 to less than 200, not 1000 COP. This agrees with energy from catalytically reducing hydrogen to a smaller atomic size. This is chemical, but definitely not typical standard chemistry since the hydrogen disappears according to our standard instrumentations and beliefs.

          • optiongeek

            It’s not chemistry because the by-product has been fundamentally altered by the reaction. Chemical reactions, by definition, do not affect the underlying properties of the atom. However it’s not nuclear, either. The hydrino reaction is intermediate between chemical and nuclear, in which a “ground state” hydrogen atom is “permanently” reduced to a lower state.

          • Axil Axil

            When deuterium and lithium show up on the spectrums of the gas inside the sun cell, the jig is up.

          • optiongeek

            The by products have been studied by multiple independent researchers. Not a hint of nuclear ash. Send a note to Prof. Nick Glumac at UIUC if you don’t believe me. He is an expert in explosives and has looked at the reaction ash in detail. He was happy to confirmed to me that in his judgment Mills is on track. Perhaps you may have a better perspective that you care to share with him.

          • Axil Axil

            CRANBURY, N.J.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Brilliant Light Power, Inc. (BrLP) announced today that it has continuously generated over a million watts of power from a new primary source until the cell vaporized from the intense heat.

            1,000,000/1000 = 1000

        • Thedielectricwars

          I thought I heard Mills say that the hydrino reaction was in between a chemical and a nuclear reaction. It only seems like a nuclear reaction because it is so unique and because science didn’t understand the hydrogen atom.

    • Job001

      No, it is the PV that is cool enough for that side of the reaction, not the tungsten. Rewatch and listen carefully to what Mills said.

      No evidence exists of transmutation as in LENR. Super spectroscopic evidence shows energy generated at high energy short wavelengths in agreement with Mill’s theory.

      • Axil Axil

        You will only see transmutation develop after a prolonged period of sustained reaction.

        • Job001

          Perhaps, although no evidence of that has been shown, and if so, large quantities of cheap replaceable silver will absorb them or they will be vented or reacted as, for instance, the excess oxygen.

        • pangoo

          A quote from the Engelman review on the BLP website.

          http://brilliantlightpower.com/engelman-review/

          “Mills also predicts that atomic Coulomb field collapse can proceed to such a degree that, with fusible atomic nuclei, e.g. deuterons, fusion can set in: Mills predicts the possibility of cold fusion or, in his terminology, Coulombic annihilation fusion (CAF)! Fleischmann and Pons [4] appear to be vindicated.”

          It could be that Mills wants to avoid nuclear reactions so that he can more easily get a product to market. If his process was proven to lead to some sort of fusion or transmutation, certification would be a nightmare I’d imagine! Any reactor would have to be centrally controlled or it would at least take decades to prove its safe operation for fear of runaway nuclear reactions, especially when you consider that his theory is completely unaccepted and any Quantum Mechanical equivalent (Deep Dirac Levels) has yet to be developed.

          I’d presume that he has probably designed the suncell to avoid progressive hydrino reactions. Probably the reason for the pulsing. 😉

          • MorganMck

            I think you are exactly right about Mills wanting to avoid any hint that the process may be nuclear in order to avoid unwanted regulatory and market scrutiny. He has a very poor record in bringing his claims to commercial status and he doe not need any external delays this time.

          • Axil Axil

            Fusion cannot set in without neurons and gamma radiation appearing. If any fusion like reaction is observed, that reaction would need to be cold fusion. If any transmutation evidence is observed, that observation must by necessity come from LENR.

            The irony in Mills’ situation is that if Mills succeeds with the SunCell, his reaction will be open to the world and LENR will be found there inside the SunCell. In succeeding Mills will fail. If the SunCell fails, then Mills wins and he continues to be funded by the true hydrino believers.

        • Michael W Wolf

          I would disagree with you Axil, but I don’t think Mills has run any one device long enough to see these transmutations. Now that they have a closed system, we will find out I think. I don’t think Mills would lie about it though, if the transmutations should show up. But if they don’t show up, we do have a very different reaction than that of LENR has been achieving.

  • DrD

    Does any one know if it will still work upside down? The current method of switching the high current is by projecting the molten silver between the electrodes. It’s recycled but that requires gravity (~1G) acting vertically approximately towards it’s base. In trains, buses aircraft, spacecraft etc where the G forces aren’t vertical and not even 1G, what happens?

    • optiongeek

      Mills has talked about using a gimbal for motive applications. Might need to do something else for anything pulling more than 1g, though.

      • DrD

        Thanks. Yes, I had wondered about a gyro gimble but it’s limited as you say. Not so elegant either. It would be much better with a solid state switch, which of course isn’t yet practical for so much current. I’d suggested one possibilty to him but, as I suspected, it didn’t match well enough to his timings and he’d already considered it. I could just about do the current (with some difficulty) but the times were nSec, he needs mSecs.

    • Michael W Wolf

      Mills said it cannot. But can be designed to be gyroscopic.

      • DrD

        Thanks Michael, I obviously missed that.

  • Axil Axil

    Fusion cannot set in without neurons and gamma radiation appearing. If any fusion like reaction is observed, that reaction would need to be cold fusion. If any transmutation evidence is observed, that observation must by necessity come from LENR.

    The irony in Mills’ situation is that if Mills succeeds with the SunCell, his reaction will be open to the world and LENR will be found there inside the SunCell. In succeeding Mills will fail. If the SunCell fails, then Mills wins and he continues to be funded by the true hydrino believers.

  • Axil Axil

    Is Mills living in a state of delusion or his he covering up what is really going on?

  • Veblin

    Falls Church News-Press
    Peak Oil Crisis: Brilliant Light Power – Progress Report
    Tom Whipple July 12, 2016 1:37 PM
    https://fcnp.com/2016/07/12/peak-oil-crisis-brilliant-light-power-progress-report/

  • DrD

    Thanks Michael, I obviously missed that.

  • Jas

    Mills talks about Concentrator PVC’s with an efficiency of a whopping 38%. I found this link that backs up his statement. Look at the third paragraph down.
    http://news.psu.edu/story/343520/2015/02/05/research/high-efficiency-concentrating-solar-cells-move-rooftop

    • MorganMck

      This tech looks promising but is a long way from the COTS product that would be required for the SunCell. I daresay the plastic lenses would be compromised in a few seconds in the SunCell application. It will be interesting to find out what PVCs they do actually use.

      My experience is that a very small portion of these college lab technologies ever make it into the real world. For example, there have been scores of “battery breakthroughs” at universities yet Tesla is spending a ton of $ to build a huge factory to produce basically the same battery tech we have now (although they will get the unit cost down). What colleges tend to be best at is getting PR that results in more funding for their research.

  • Axil Axil

    Mills SunCell experiment has been done many times as follows:

    http://condensed-plasmoids.com/history.html

  • Axil Axil

    Mills SunCell experiment has been done many times as follows:

    http://condensed-plasmoids.com/history.html