Brillliant Light Power Posts Demo Video

Thanks to optiongeek for positing the following.

The video of the June 28th demo at Brilliant Light Power has now been posted. It shows a device with a reaction chamber the size of a tea cup capable of producing over 1MW sustained energy output with a power gain of over 100x. The process is measured via bomb calorimetry, among a number of other sophisticated techniques. Mills claims he is on track to producing a fully commercialized device by 1H17.

  • Svein

    What about the pressconference? Has it been held?

    • pelgrim108

      There is a video of the shareholders meeting of june 28th.

    • artefact

      Mills wrote three days ago: “Maybe we will do press
      release. There are pluses and minuses to informing the world of our
      technology and commercial potential.”

    • LookMoo

      Product Certification for something that explodes is a hard sell.

      Remembering that along time ago.. when they started large ship engines (before they used compressed air). They used dynamite to get the cylinders going.

    • Gerard McEk

      In short moments the reactor may produce a lot more power than the input power. But the power required for the total process like te aparatus around it and e.g. the energy to melt the silver needs to be taken into account to know if the net energy is more then the input energy over a longer time.

      • Job001

        No, melting the silver is negligible for continuous operation and is kept hot by the waste heat. Continuous COP is about 117, see 2hr 12 min into video.

        • Bob Greenyer

          And there are claims that some observers have witnessed some reactor embodiments running for “over 30 mins” though most runs appear to be under 10 mins.

      • Axil Axil

        This high overhead input power is the reason why Mills claims his reaction produces megawatts of power production in his presentations.

        • Gerard McEk

          That is exactly my thought regarding this. It sells better to the investors.

  • But the logo progress is impressive.

    Except I think they probably mean that to be a sun and a water drop, but it looks like an oil drop!

  • f sedei

    VERY impressive. Brilliant Light seems to have their act together. Good luck to them.

  • Ged

    A commercialization race would be healthy and highly needed. Glad BL is still pushing forward and to that end I hope for their success.

  • Axil Axil

    The hydrino meme will keep the nuclear concerns about the suncell minimized because the power is theorized to come from only chemical means.

    But when someone looks at the transmutation results derived from the silver ash used, the nuclear concerns will arise.

    It is hard to accept that a 5,000,000 watt explosion of light can come from a chemical reaction.

  • MasterBlaster7

    Nope…still cant take BLP seriously

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Question. Did IH fall for this? Did they enter into a 100 million plus contract with Rossi and then decide BLP was a better vehicle to hook their wagon to and therefore decide to brake Rossi contract? Got a kick out of one of the questions and answers: What is the time line for converting trucks to your product? Answer: Within a year. Ha, ha, ha.

  • optiongeek

    Lots of evidence presented showing massive power gain. Of course you can simply look at the quality of vaporized silver throw off by the reaction to understand the power scale of the reaction. Two little super capacitors cannot vaporize multi-gram quantities of silver on their own.

    It seems like the only important design goal left to getting a long-run steady state is the incorporation of refractive materials in the reaction chamber. There is too much power building up in this design generation and melting the heavy tungsten electrodes.

  • Leonard Weinstein

    I am afraid there are a couple of fly’s in the soup. The total world quantity of Tungsten is more than an order of magnitude too rare for the extremely large number of proposed structures suggested. In addition, China and Russia control most of the worlds reserves of this metal. The total world quantity of Silver is also more than an order of magnitude to low for the extremely wide spread use as the system as described. It may be possible to overcome these limitations, but there needs to be alternative materials. I am suggesting a couple here:
    1) Use Carbon fiber structures, with a thin Tungsten coating for the light source and structures, with adequate cooling water and structural backup. This can take the temperature, and the thin Tungsten coating avoids the Carbon vapor problem.
    2) Find another metal or alloy that is much more plentiful than Silver to make the spray metal short. I don’t know the limitations of the metal used, but Sodium, Potassium, Zinc, Aluminum, or some other metal may do.

    • Axil Axil

      There could be a struggle to meet the solar energy targets many countries have set because the current global supply of rare metals needed to produce PVs is unlikely to meet demand, according to a November 2011 study reported in Resources, Conservation and Recycling.

      The study, “Considerations of Resource Availability in Technology Development Strategies: The Case of Photovoltaics,” looked at the four main PV technologies: crystalline silicon (c-Si), amorphous silicon (a-Si), cadmium tellurium (CdTe) and copper indium gallium diselenide (CIGS). Some of the critical materials are silver, tellurium and indium, while neither cadmium nor copper were found to be seriously limited. For example, researches found that the predicted demand for tellurium could be between 30 and 180 times higher than today’s production rate, depending on the scenario used.

  • Axil Axil

    The Rossi Quark and the SunCell are basically identical in terms of cost of manufacture because all those costs are concentrated in the PV cells.

    If Rossi goes the steam route, he becomes non competitive.

  • Axil Axil

    I predict that the SunCell when running in continuous mode, will produce a large electrostatic charge like the Quark reactor does.

  • Axil Axil

    Where does the power come from to start the SunCell up? The cell must melt silver to get going. Must it remain on at all times? Does it require a grid connection or a large rechargeable battery? Is this startup expense figured in the deployment costs?

    • Michael W Wolf

      the power comes from capacitors when the unit is ready. Right now it comes from the grid.

      • Axil Axil

        I beleive that the capacitors are used to produce the arc but not to melt the silver. Melting metal takes a lot of power storage.

    • DrD

      Mills said it remains on 24/7. When not needed, the power is dumped.

  • Axil Axil

    Rossi produces 40% heat and the SunCell produces 70% heat. The Quark in more efficient.

  • Axil Axil

    In the demo of the live reaction beginning at 1:18:16, the reaction lasted for about 2 minutes before the reactor melted down. This is something the BLP needs to work on.

  • Axil Axil

    I noticed in the live demo that the rubber glove was inflating from pressure increase during the light flashes. This is what the Papp cell does.

    • Robert Dorr

      I watched the entire video and what I noticed most was what seemed to be an uncontrollable amount of molten metal and vapor. If you watch the globe/dome in the glovebox you’ll notice a river of molten metal flowing out of the bottom of the device. I see a massive consumption of material and I would say that he appears to be a lot further from a usable product than he implies. I think he’s got something, but he’s got a lot of work to do.

      • Axil Axil

        He could get the same results by using noble gases but then the Papp patent has expired and that tech now is open source.

        When Russ Gries did the Papp replication, I did not think to tell him to use PV cells to capture the power of the light coming out of that cylinder. The light was very bright,

      • Roland

        Mills was asked directly, while discussing the silver vapour to liquid cycle, whether the upper dome to the Suncell had ever been attached so that the silver phase change cycle could be operationally confirmed.

        That resulted in a few minutes of dancing around the question and a barely disguised non-reply.

        Intuition suggests that, like an earlier iteration’s use of a gear driven ‘fuel’ delivery and ignition system, the confinement of the substantial liberated energies at high temperatures in a limited volume presents significant engineering challenges.

        On the other hand Mills appears to be several steps closer to a useful ignition rate, though still some distance removed from the stated goal of 2,000 ignitions/second (every 0.5 milliseconds). The sonic clue, which Mills referenced, put the current rate around every 80-120 milliseconds (guesstimate) when the device appeared to be running ‘smoothly’. A fairly precise analysis ought to be possible with some forensic audio tools.

        A similar amount of waffling occurred when pressed on the length of the full power runs achieved to date; interestingly the limiting factor for run times with the open topped Suncell, as conveyed by Mills, was the inability to manage the silver phase cycle in a glove box.

        • Axil Axil

          In order to make the hylon cycle to work, the temperature of the electrodes and gas envelope must get under 1000C. This requirement puts a limit on the duty cycle that Mills can run at, The reaction needs to cook down to under 1000C and the liquid silver washing over the electrodes does not help that cool down at all.

  • deleo77

    It’s only sending off sparks because they are running it in an open environment for the demonstration. It won’t give off sparks or smoke in a fully enclosed SunCell.

    • Axil Axil

      Mills says that he must produce HOH to make the suncell work, so the glovebox is gas tight and filled with argon with some amount of oxygen included. The production sunscell will be no different.

  • Jas

    I watched the video all the way through earlier this morning. I tried finding the exact point that the input/output values were read out. Cant find it but remeber it was 7 ish in and 900 ish out. So thats a cop of about 125?

    • Axil Axil

      At 1:27:00 the calorimeter results state 144 In and 440 0ut. COP = 3.06

      • optiongeek

        Mills corrects someone else who mis-interpreted the 3x COP power gain. Apparently this measurement as taken is not representative of the machine operating in steady state:

        “Please get your facts straight. The input power during ignition is typically 25kW and the output is typically 600 kW. The reaction is volume constrained in the calorimeter cell; so, the power is higher in the optical cell, over 1 MW. Same for the CG. The shot has to be melted in the calorimeter; whereas, we use recycled molten silver in the CG which is the commercial case. The gain is about 100X during power generation.” – R. Mills

        • Axil Axil

          For we who are interested bystanders, I say “Time will tell” but for the investor, they might say “show me the 100 COP, and you will see my money.”

          • Job001

            The 3.06 COP was for an inefficient calorimetry bomb measurement to show another cool validation, quite undeniable.

            The operating equipment integral COP was 117 with 7.6Kw input and 895Kw heat output. When they have the PV working at say 35% efficient the 895Kw will make about 303KW net electricity and 578Kw as heat.

            ps:I watched the entire presentation, I understand the heat balances and the spectrometry, It is well done!

    • Jas

      Ok I found it. At 2 hours and 12 minutes we see that 7.6 kw goes in and 895 goes out.

      • If 7.6 kW goes in over 1 second and 895 kW is measured over 8 ms then there would be a net loss of energy. I’m not saying that’s the case, but I want to illustrate that COP cannot be determined by power numbers alone.

        It’s the integral of power over time that determines the total energy, both in and out.

        • Job001

          They did the interval and got about 117 COP. Assume a 35% efficiency. They will output 7.6Kw x 117×0.35 = 311Kw – 7.6Kw input or 303Kw net out as electricity and 7.6Kw x 117×0.65 = 578Kw as heat loss. The heat loss is not significant since it has near zero cost and is not worth recovery cost or complexity.

          • Axil Axil

            Mills needs to make the reaction cooler. He is melting his electrodes. He might use Xenon instead of silver, or I suggest at way to remove destructive levels of heat from those electrodes: use a heat pipe. A heat pipe might be made to operate at 3400C, but it would be custom product and it might be possible to build.

            Unless Mills solves the electrode meltdown problem, he has nothing but a capital raising demo in the SunCell.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Mills needs to close the loop then debates on net power will end.

            To close the loop – Axil is right, you would need to keep the reactor from melting down.

  • artefact

    BLP Press release:

    “Brilliant Light Power, Inc. Announces the Validation of the Generation of over a Million of Watts of Power in the Volume of a Coffee Cup from the Conversion of Water Fuel to a New Form of Hydrogen”

  • Axil Axil

    See page 55

    The XUV light is coming from the polaritons formed by the silver nanoparticles that are being produced by the condensation of silver plasma. The small sizes of those particles produce very high frequency XUV light. The presence of hydrogen as a dielectric is what produces the SPPs in the silver vapor condinsate.

    The light is intense at 10^^14 watts/cm2

    Noble gases can replace silver to get a comparable xuv light intensity without requiring the power required to vaporize the silver. See page 60.

  • jimbo92107

    If this is real, then it looks like Rossi is on the verge of losing the race to a company that is much more open and integrated with industrial partners. Rossi’s secretive speculation factory cannot compete with a friendly, cooperative guy like Mills.

    • Job001

      I understand the spectroscopy and it is real.

      • Roland

        Hi Job001,


        Hi Jimbo,

        The critical element in the commercial race is that Rossi has already completed a year long beta test of a currently commercially viable product, and that the next round of optimization is already underway.

        Additionally; the Quark produces raw power at an estimated $.001/kWh.

        The Quark runs at a manageable 1,570C.

        The Quark starts producing continuous power in seconds.

        The Quark is already scaled all the way down to 100W, prepositioning it to be useful over an enormous range of applications.

        The Quark is dead simple, as we currently understand the situation, from a manufacturing perspective.

        The Quark has an estimated capital cost of $50.00/kW of output.

        And on the other hand; exactly how long does is take to prep an open Suncell so it’ll sputter along prior to brief episodes of continuous ignition?

        What, exactly, happened when they bolted the top on and fired it up (or are we to pretend they haven’t tried yet)?

        Is there a viable (i.e. tested even once) PV design yet?

        None of this is intended to denigrate Mills’ accomplishments (including my post further down) as they are substantial, but it’s probably much to soon to count either party out.

        • Job001

          I’m happy if both succeed, and strong evidence supports both and more. Solar PV, wind, Gen IV MSR, efficient use(LED+), and biological energies will also continue to improve. The field of cheap energy will have super competition. I’m good with that, may the fastest toughest horses win!

          It really serves the cartels right, they were nasty and created this competitive response.

          • DrD

            There’s more than enough room for them both.
            Without the “nuclear” label we might find Mills solutions in our homes long before Andrea’s.
            They both have their pro’s and con’s and a bit of price competition wouldn’t go amiss.

        • Axil Axil

          It took Rossi 5 years to keep his reactors from melting down, how long will Mills take to do the same?

      • jimbo92107

        Then we are one year from the great revolution. Should be interesting.

  • Axil Axil

    Fusion cannot set in without neurons and gamma radiation appearing. If any fusion like reaction is observed, that reaction would need to be cold fusion. If any transmutation evidence is observed, that observation must by necessity come from LENR.

    The irony in Mills’ situation is that if Mills succeeds with the SunCell, his reaction will be open to the world and LENR will be found there inside the SunCell. In succeeding Mills will fail. If the SunCell fails, then Mills wins and he continues to be funded by the true hydrino believers.

  • Axil Axil

    Is Mills living in a state of delusion or his he covering up what is really going on?

  • DrD

    Thanks Michael, I obviously missed that.

  • Axil Axil

    Mills SunCell experiment has been done many times as follows:

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