A Star in a Bottle – Boondoggle (GreenWin)


This text first posted by GreenWin as an answer to Chapman in the Always Open thread.

Chappie, you are sorely mistaken in thinking the hot fusion skam is the result of “collectivist thinking” No. The $250B hot fusion boondoggle is the result of the post WWII nuclear monopoly orchestrated by academia.

The advent of nuclear fission – the most powerful source of energy on earth – gave license to ivory tower academics to build a Big Science gravy train. In particular, MIT’s egocentric Plasma Science and Fusion Center, and Princeton’s Plasma Physics Lab. Both programs were funded by the US Dept. of Energy (another skam) and military with the intent of strictly controlling fission and later fusion technology.

Military, with support of the Executive branch invented fusion “science” with the explosion of the first thermonuclear bomb on November 1, 1952. “Ivy Mike” was a ridiculously complicated Rube Goldberg gadget designed by LENR denier Richard Garwin. When the thing blew up, yielding 10.4 megatons of TNT equiv., our best and brightest believed they had recreated the process fueling our Sun. And so the promise of “unlimited clean fusion energy” was born. To the delight and windfall of fusion academics, Princeton and MIT (CalTech) had a deep pocket funder in the US DoE. Congress approved a huge multi-billion dollar program to fund hot fusion energy and the BOONDOGGLE began in 1952. According to Garwin and his sycophants – in twenty years given enough money we would have clean, unlimited fusion energy.

Well, as skams go, when the deadline is up, skammers shuck and jive and demand MORE time and money. Unhappily, in early 1970s there was no one in Congress educated enough to see the developing hot fusion black hole. Instead of cutting off funding for MIT and Princeton’s failed fusion projects – they gave these skammers MORE time and money. Fusion scientists clicked their heels and promised, within two decades we would all be living with “the clean, unlimited power of the stars.” Amazing what Big Science can do! Meanwhile, two electrochemists at University of Utah announced anomalous heat from what they believed was room temperature nuclear fusion. The hot fusionists saw a gravy train wreck, and quickly declared the two scientists “deluded” and fraudulent. Pot? Kettle? Fast forward: twenty years later, US national labs, LLNL, Sandia, Oakridge, Los Alamos, and scrappy new academics had all climbed aboard the fusion gravy train. Why not? The American taxpayers were easily bamboozled by solipsistic high brows like Garwin, Teller and Lindsky. And after 40 years of failed fusion ignition, our geniuses had a brilliant NEW idea! “Inertial Confinement Fusion” using futuristic laser technology would open the portal to hot fusion! Hurray for humanity!

So, Congress not wanting to admit they’d been bamboozled, approved MORE money for spendthrift DoE to build a huge complex at Lawrence Livermore National lab called “The National Ignition Facility NIF, where once and for all the world’s greatest scientists would deliver, clean, unlimited fusion energy to humanity. Yay? NIF finished construction in early 2000, 5 years behind schedule, and 400% overbudget. So?? It’s just taxpayer money. And America now had the world’s largest laser. Very cool. But, Inertial confinement proved harder than our high brows imagined. Ooops. A sheepish Congress demanded a deadline for NIF ignition – September 2012. Well, with hundreds of our best and brightest under the leadership of a guy named “Moses” (can’t make this sheit up) experiments went forward, each time failing to get better than 1/10 the needed bootstrap heat and compression to cause fusion ignition. We got lots of hems and haws for our billions$$ but after 60 years of Big Science – taxpayers, Congress, humanity got… ZERO useful energy.

But WAIT! The story doesn’t end at NIF. Scientism – worship of the religion of science – disallows failure. So they invented a new even BIGGER boondoggle: International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor ITER. Already 400% overbudget and 20 years behind schedule – this giant tokamak* reactor has bamboozled 35 countries into funding the gravy train. Hey, it’s carbon free, so Algore and buddies approve it!!

*” …a magnetic fusion device that has been designed to prove the feasibility of fusion as a large-scale and carbon-free source of energy based on the same principle that powers our Sun and stars.” Gee.

Is this nightmare the result of “collectivist thinking?” Hell no. It’s the result of a creeping elitism oozing from the ivory towers of academia. The same mentality that drives the unelected bureaucrats at the European Union. They know better than us peons. They are the shepherds, we are their sheep. We can thank LENR deniers like Garwin, APS spokesman Robert Park, John Huizenga, and Steven E. Jones for misinforming Congress and the public about the potential for low temperature nuclear reactions. More info: http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue35/ethics.html

GreenWin

  • Thomas Kaminski

    Greenwin,

    I believe that the “promise” of fusion, like fission before it was also in part stimulated by the collective guilt we felt having built a bomb first, and in the case of fission, used it in a war. The “Plowshares Program”, where weapons were converted into useful tools to help humanity grew out of this guilt. Most likely, it was a result of clever thinkers figuring how to hoodwink the public to assuage their guilt and get more money for their projects.

    Back in the 70’s I was at Goddard Space Flight Center and heard Teller speak. At that time he was thinking of digging holes and setting off H bombs, creating a thermal well that was then somehow tapped to use the thermal energy. It was, in part, a way to get more money to the DoE labs. In a similar way, NASA proposed flying orbital arrays of solar cells that would then beam microwave energy down to earth where “rectennas” would convert it back to electricity. Supposedly, the orbits could be full sun (twice as good as day/night earthbound arrays) and with twice the solar input due to no atmospheric attenuation. It was just another way to justify more money to NASA and connect to the green, solar industry.

    • Rene

      Yes, like Project PACER. mini nukes dropped once every 8 hours into a huge salt chamber loaded with deuterium gas.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_PACER

      • Thomas Kaminski

        Wow! It has a name! Thanks for the link.

        • Rene

          In the end the PACER people were working to find a site in a southeastern state, like Louisiana, to water form spherical salt chambers. Instead of using concrete structures, they determined that carving out salt domes was a much better approach because the dome walls would self-heal. Each detonation of a 1KT fission nuke would cause fusion reactions in the deuterium gas, and the resultant high pressure D-steam would be scrubbed of contaminants (a tiny fraction of what one sees in standard fission reactors), and then run through standard turbines to turn generators.

          Their biggest problem was the issue of having a bunch of 1-Kiloton nukes, a bit of a security issue having ready made backpack nukes stacked up. So they had this notion of engineering ‘inherently safe’ high pressure assemble-in-flight nukes. That approach didn’t seem to allay fears sufficiently.

          Here’s a PDF of the project. I have the hardcopy glossy preso docs somewhere in my files.

          http://www.ralphmoir.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/novFus90.pdf

          • Thomas Kaminski

            If I recall correctly, the concept of a hole through which you suspend/drop a nuke is a bit shaky. I think that Teller in his talk mentioned that a circuitous route was used to dig a tunnel to the place an underground nuke was tested so that the blast would “seal” the tunnel.

            This seems as crazy today as it did to me back in the 70″s.

            Thanks for the reference!

        • sam
  • Thomas Kaminski

    Greenwin,

    I believe that the “promise” of fusion, like fission before it was also in part stimulated by the collective guilt we felt having built a bomb first, and in the case of fission, used it in a war. The “Plowshares Program”, where weapons were converted into useful tools to help humanity grew out of this guilt. Most likely, it was a result of clever thinkers figuring how to hoodwink the public to assuage their guilt and get more money for their projects.

    Back in the 70’s I was at Goddard Space Flight Center and heard Teller speak. At that time he was thinking of digging holes and setting off H bombs, creating a thermal well that was then somehow tapped to use the thermal energy. It was, in part, a way to get more money to the DoE labs. In a similar way, NASA proposed flying orbital arrays of solar cells that would then beam microwave energy down to earth where “rectennas” would convert it back to electricity. Supposedly, the orbits could be full sun (twice as good as day/night earthbound arrays) and with twice the solar input due to no atmospheric attenuation. It was just another way to justify more money to NASA and connect to the green, solar industry.

    • Rene

      Yes, like Project PACER. mini nukes dropped once every 8 hours into a huge salt chamber loaded with deuterium gas.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_PACER

      • Thomas Kaminski

        Wow! It has a name! Thanks for the link.

        • Rene

          In the end the PACER people were working to find a site in a southeastern state, like Louisiana, to water form spherical salt chambers. Instead of using concrete structures, they determined that carving out salt domes was a much better approach because the dome walls would self-heal. Each detonation of a 1KT fission nuke would cause fusion reactions in the deuterium gas, and the resultant high pressure D-steam would be scrubbed of contaminants (a tiny fraction of what one sees in standard fission reactors), and then run through standard turbines to turn generators.

          Their biggest problem was the issue of having a bunch of 1-Kiloton nukes, a bit of a security issue having ready made backpack nukes stacked up. So they had this notion of engineering ‘inherently safe’ high pressure assemble-in-flight nukes. That approach didn’t seem to allay fears sufficiently.

          Here’s a PDF of the project. I have the hardcopy glossy preso docs somewhere in my files.

          http://www.ralphmoir.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/novFus90.pdf

          • Thomas Kaminski

            If I recall correctly, the concept of a hole through which you suspend/drop a nuke is a bit shaky. I think that Teller in his talk mentioned that a circuitous route was used to dig a tunnel to the place an underground nuke was tested so that the blast would “seal” the tunnel.

            This seems as crazy today as it did to me back in the 70″s.

            Thanks for the reference!

  • Curbina

    I like this post a lot. I Just disagree in one aspect, and is that Hot Fusion has achieved 4x “excess Heat” in 2006 and no one blinked. This is a greatly ignored and neglected Sort of inertial confined Fusion approach, embodied in the so called z machine of Sandia Labs.

    • Axil Axil

      In order to achieve break even, the gain in the reaction must be above1000.

  • sam
  • John

    GreenWin- I loved your essay/response. You provided a great history lesson on cold fusion, I certainly learned a few things. I am curious, how did you acquire this knowledge? Did you research the topic or did you get this knowledge through first hand experience? Are yoy currently performing research in the LENR field?

    • GreenWin

      No materials research. Prolly hang around ECW too much. The history of hot & cold fusion research is openly available to the public.

      β€œWe’re going to meet a lot of lonely people in the next week and the next month and the next year. And when they ask us what we’re doing, you can say, We’re remembering. That’s where we’ll win out in the long run. And someday we’ll remember so much that we’ll build the biggest goddamn steamshovel in history and dig the biggest grave of all time and shove war in it and cover it up.”
      ― Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

  • Chapman

    GreenWin,

    That is one correction I will gladly accept, and endorse!

    Well done. Excellent info, and extremely nicely presented. I stand corrected! I could defend my statement and point out some subtle corrections, but your facts and logic show that the contribution of any minor “but also” that I could throw in would only be background noise to the primary driving forces you have outlined.

    And, bottom line – your proposition rings true. It is self evident, and needs no “show me your proof” childishness. I submit! UNCLE!!! You da man, GreenWin! πŸ™‚

    I congratulate you, and thank you, for an excellent argument. I love it!

    ————————————-

    Darn! I fear that such an overwhelming “KUDOS” on my part towards your wonderful reply may motivate Frank to change the title of this thread to “At LAST: Here’s how to Shut Chapman Up!!!” But honestly, I could not bring myself to edit my remark and dial back my approval and praise. It was a really good posting, friend. I appreciate the humorous banter, the relaxed delivery, and the “Zip” it has, but you did not compromise the facts and logic in making it so. A really nice piece of writing. I am envious.

    (But just for the record Frank, this is a “once-a-year” surrender, so don’t give anyone else any big ideas they they can shut me up just by being smarter than me, a better writer than me, or by having a better Kung-Fu…)

    God, I Love This Site!

    • Michael W Wolf

      Thanks for not ruining the moment Chapman. πŸ™‚

      • Chapman

        You kidding? He made my day!!! πŸ™‚

    • GreenWin

      Thanks for the opportunity to vent, Chapman. WARNING to others, don’t try this at home!

      • Chapman

        I assure you Sir, the pleasure is all mine. You rose to the occasion and seized the high ground, so to speak.

        I just wish every smart-ass comment I make here would elicit such a great response. One can dream… Till then, trust me: I will do my part!!! πŸ™‚

  • Anon2012_2014

    Frank — decent essay. We know what you say to be true, and hopefully other readers from other communities will “get it”.

    BTW, suggest changing “skam” to “scam”.

    • Frank Acland

      It’s actually not my essay, but GreenWin’s — and he chose the skam spelling.

      • Anon2012_2014

        Let Greenwin know that at least one older reader finds alternative spelling a distraction from an effective essay.

        • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

          My humble take: perceived as an intentional spelling diversion, it has its own punch.

        • GreenWin

          Noted Anon2012-2014, the misspell is actually an homage to an arts group in Canada I admire. Alternatives, be they spelling or technology should not be dismissed out of hand, IMO. πŸ™‚

        • LilyLover

          This! To the grammatically or otherwise most correct writer on this blog?
          Nikely??
          I believed that the alternative spelling was used to avoid random-magic-spambot.

  • SG

    Here here.

  • SG

    Here here.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Maybe this scam is like cancer. It will end when it kills its host.

    • Cancers can morph into other forms to evade the immune system. NIF is a morphed form of the fusion cancer. Ultimately, when the axe really is about to fall, one of the developing plasma-based LENR systems can be deftly substituted for the dead ends, and touted as the final triumph of international big bucks research.

      • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

        Emilio Del Giudice used to say: “Hot fusion is the energy of the future, because it is never going to have a present”.

        • GreenWin

          No materials research. Prolly hang around ECW too much. The history of hot & cold fusion research is openly available to the public.

          β€œWe’re going to meet a lot of lonely people in the next week and the next month and the next year. And when they ask us what we’re doing, you can say, We’re remembering. That’s where we’ll win out in the long run. And someday we’ll remember so much that we’ll build the biggest goddamn steamshovel in history and dig the biggest grave of all time and shove war in it and cover it up.”
          ― Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

        • GreenWin

          πŸ™‚

          • Axil Axil

            The issue with fusion is that it produces too many neutrons and not enough heat. The problem with fission is that it produces too much heat and not enough neutrons. The compromise is a fusion/fission hydride.

            I favored the Hans Bethe idea

            http://large.stanford.edu/publications/coal/references/docs/bethe.pdf

            Without the hybrid concept, fusion is untenable. It won’t work. But the hybrid would never be acceptable to the U,S, and the world because it is not a light water reactor. Even fusion is locked out of development by the light water reactor folks. The NRC will not permit other reactor types to be developed in competition with light water reactors.

            I know inside stories about the guy named β€œMoses”, but that is water under the bridge. What a piece of work.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Maybe this scam is like cancer. It will end when it kills its host.

    • Cancers can morph into other forms to evade the immune system. NIF and the new German ‘Stellarator’ tokamak are morphed forms of the fusion cancer, but will only delay the inevitable end.

      Ultimately, when the axe really is about to fall, one of the developing plasma-based LENR systems could be deftly substituted for the dead ends, and touted as a triumph of international big bucks research. No-one will notice the difference, so long as it glows blue, looks sciency, and genuinely produces a modest excess of power.

      At least enough to support the claim that in 20 years it can power the world – if the money keeps flowing.

      • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

        Emilio Del Giudice used to say: “Hot fusion is the energy of the future, because it is never going to have a present”.

        • GreenWin

          πŸ™‚

  • Andy Kumar

    “Well, as skams go, when the deadline is up, skammers shuck and jive and demand MORE time and money”
    .
    Green, my friend, where have you been hiding. You missed all the fun. You are right. Don’t single out hot fusionistas, though. Other free energy messiah are also prone to shuck, jive, demand more time and more MONEY, and they love “jive talking.”
    .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PHdoqU7g74&list=RD3PHdoqU7g74
    .

    • GreenWin

      Agreed Andy, nobody Jive talks better than Big Science. But after 60 years of being ripped off by our “best and brightest” why is it only the UK middle class has given the finger to NWO elitists??

  • Gerald

    What happend to the words: fault confessed is half redressed or better to go back half way then to be lost forever.

    I’ve noticed the last 20 years some things changed, now a days when I see improvements or different choices less are happy. And if I don’t watch out I’m the one ending up with more work or be the one that let things went wrong. It is always in the details. They are used to make bigger choices(what path to go) based on less information/experience, because they don’t have to understand things. There is less correction and balance from input of technical people. I hear much worse in the train, I’m often traveling with politics. It’s like ignorance and stupidity is what glues them together there debats never tough the edge it is always somewhat half because I think the lack of (technical) knowledge, details. Then it annoys me, like you said they think they are the sheppards an I’m the sheep. And they really believe it, and they are partially right. I still am the sheep, but they are the greedy butcher(politics/europe). Killing to many sheep will eventually make the grass grown to high(no tolerance) and by slather to many they price goes down in the beginning and to keep up he works harder and before he knows almost all the sheep are gone and there is hunger(poverty).

    Probably the story needs some adjustment, but I think not all in science budget is intentional. Let be honest for a lot they think you must be insane to think Lenr could be real because its not what you have learned and it could mean you are out of a job in the beginning. So you first think about yourself, its human nature. Normally it will balance itself, the comparison you make with europe is truth, they think for me forcing me a pathway. Then balance is off, I guess that happend in iter and the politics with it. Still I think its good, every penny put in research will benefit someday, the only thing when people start thinking for the other the road will be harder and longer most of the time.

    • GreenWin

      Gerald, you make a good point. These academics and occult societies truly believe they are chosen to lead the peasants (sheep) out of ignorance. Many are well-meaning but have little comprehension of social science – the study of acceptance and diversity. It took Martin Luther’s Reformation to convince the orthodox church it needed to clean up its corrupt shepherding. Perhaps, LENR – like Luther’s “95 Theses” is the catalyst for a new Reformation in thought and science.

  • Gerard McEk

    This is great, thanks Greenwin!
    Let us keep this essay for our childern and grandchildern as a lerning and a warning how any grand and respected entity can be diluted by their own preaching.

    • roseland67

      Gerard,

      Essay?
      More like a rant, but perfectly on point, I have already “rifled” some of it for personal use, for which I will send Greenwin royalties.

      • GreenWin

        just checked Roseland, my mailbox is empty, can you do PayPal?

  • Job001

    How funny and how sad, a well written tragic comedy of human greed and bias has been the hot fusion skam and now impossible boondoggle. Boondoggle because they cannot economically beat the wide variety of evolving cheap energy sources.

    The Sisyphusian scientists, confused by hubris, should have picked the LENR molehill rather than the hot fusion mountain challenge to roll their boulder up. They would have easily succeeded long ago.

    ps:Sisyphus was condemned by Greek Gods to roll boulders up mountains and watch them roll back down. The metaphorically mountain is the coulomb barrier which is dramatically reduced or avoided in condensed matter environments.

  • Job001

    How funny and how sad, a well written tragic comedy of human greed and bias has been the hot fusion skam and now impossible boondoggle. Boondoggle because they cannot economically beat the wide variety of evolving cheap energy sources.

    The Sisyphusian scientists, confused by hubris, should have picked the LENR molehill rather than the hot fusion mountain challenge to roll their boulder up. They would have easily succeeded long ago.

    ps:Sisyphus was condemned by Greek Gods to roll boulders up mountains and watch them roll back down. The metaphorically mountain is the coulomb barrier which is dramatically reduced or avoided in condensed matter environments.

  • Sandy

    The Juno spacecraft is now in orbit around Jupiter. Juno will show that the core of Jupiter is made of uranium, not hydrogen. That will eventually convince scientists that the core of the Sun is also made of uranium, not hydrogen. They will then realize that the Sun is powered by “cold fusion”, not by the gravity-driven compression of hydrogen. They will then turn away from their futile efforts to cause commercially viable fusion by compressing plasma. Then will, at long last, embrace LENR.

    • Axil Axil

      Not uranium but iron. There is no fusion in the center of the sun and jupiter will prove it.

  • Zephir

    /* Is this nightmare the result of β€œcollectivist thinking?” Hell no. It’s the result of a creeping elitism oozing from the ivory towers of academia. */

    Actually it’s just a product of stealth but steady-state and systematic tendency of scientific community to generate jobs and reliable salaries for itself – no less, no more.

    R. Wilson’s famous memorandum of parasitic APS community http://i.imgur.com/oencp2J.gif

    • GreenWin

      i.e. The “Scientific community” – a monstrous collection of raging narcissists driven by ego and greed – eff the sheep! Big Science is the wolf in shepherd’s clothing. πŸ™

      • bachcole

        If you can’t do integral calculus in your head, your a dummy.

        • GreenWin

          I also don’t know what a contraction is…

          • bachcole

            (:->) A contraction is like fusion, when you push together two words so hard that the apostrophe is squeezed so hard that it pops up like a wayward neutron and you save yourself some typing. That is where you gain the extra energy, not having to type that apostrophe.

            I knew something looked funny about that, but I just kept on typing.

          • Chapman

            Damn funny! I think I almost saw you smile that time!!! πŸ™‚

    • Chapman

      Nice!!!

  • bachcole

    Like I said, any orchestration would come naturally in the face of soooo much power and money.

    An other facet is that people mistake highly consistent patterns, especially those that fit nicely into a mathematical model, as being “laws”. Notice that Newton’s law of gravitation had a square function in it, and people undoubtedly thought that this made it absolutely, positively a “law”. Einstein came along and said, “Sorry, Ike, but that ^2 is really a ^2.0006″ (or something close to that)” But consistency and nice mathematical formula do not a law make.

  • GreenWin

    Agreed Andy, nobody Jive talks better than Big Science. But after 60 years of being ripped off by our “best and brightest” why is it only the UK middle class has given the finger to NWO elitists??

  • Axil Axil

    Not uranium but iron. There is no fusion in the center of the sun and jupiter will prove it.

  • Axil Axil

    The issue with fusion is that it produces too many neutrons and not enough heat. The problem with fission is that it produces too much heat and not enough neutrons. The compromise is a fusion/fission hydride.

    I favored the Hans Bethe idea

    http://large.stanford.edu/publications/coal/references/docs/bethe.pdf

    Without the hybrid concept, fusion is untenable. It won’t work. But the hybrid would never be acceptable to the U,S, and the world because it is not a light water reactor. Even fusion is locked out of development by the light water reactor folks. The NRC will not permit other reactor types to be developed in competition with light water reactors.

    I know inside stories about the guy named β€œMoses”, but that is water under the bridge. What a piece of work.

    • bachcole

      And here I thought the problem with (hot) fusion was that it didn’t work and the problem with fission was that it was too dangerous. Silly me.

  • GreenWin

    just checked Roseland, my mailbox is empty, can you do PayPal?

  • GreenWin

    i.e. The “Scientific community” – a monstrous collection of raging narcissists driven by ego and greed – eff the sheep! Big Science is the wolf in shepherd’s clothing. πŸ™

  • GreenWin

    I also don’t know what a contraction is…

  • Frechette

    All these ivory tower academics have mortgages to pay and kids to put through college. They’ll do anything to achieve their goals.

  • Chapman

    Damn funny! I think I almost saw you smile that time!!! πŸ™‚

  • Pweet

    For some reason, this line from the above article has a disturbingly familiar ring to it;-

    “Well, as skams go, when the deadline is up, skammers shuck and jive and demand MORE time and money.”

    I can’t quite put my finger on why though,… Hmmm,. let me think,..

    • Chapman

      Come on Pweet, play nice. There’s no need to kick over EVERY sandcastle on the beach, is there? Let this one go, OK?

      Something nice is happening around here the last week, and people are actually TALKING again, and discussing things, and joking, and having a good time. You know, you would be welcome to join us! I know that underneath that crusty outer shell there is a real intellect, with valid contributions waiting to be expressed. Why not join the conversation, instead of taking swipes at it?

      Come on in… The water’s fine!

      ——————————————————————

      On the other hand, if you were “winking” at the lyric reference then I applaud your whit! I was just alarmed thinking you were heading for a Rossi insult, but if you weren’t then MY BAD! I jumped to conclusions and did you a disservice, for which I heartily apologize!

    • Omega Z

      If you are implying a familiar ring as to Rossi, You are so very very WRONG.

      Hot Fusion- 5 decades plus in the making and always 20 years in the future. Cost to Tax Payers? MANY 10’s of Billions and MANY 10’s of Billions to come.

      Rossi’s E-cat 5 years in the making. Cost to Tax Payers? ZERO

      Pweet’s comparative skills? ZERO

  • Pweet

    For some reason, this line from the above article has a disturbingly familiar ring to it;-

    “Well, as skams go, when the deadline is up, skammers shuck and jive and demand MORE time and money.”

    I can’t quite put my finger on why though,… Hmmm,. let me think,..

    • Chapman

      Come on Pweet, play nice. There’s no need to kick over EVERY sandcastle on the beach, is there? Let this one go, OK?

      Something nice is happening around here the last week, and people are actually TALKING again, and discussing things, and joking, and having a good time. You know, you would be welcome to join us! I know that underneath that crusty outer shell there is a real intellect, with valid contributions waiting to be expressed. Why not join the conversation, instead of taking swipes at it?

      Come on in… The water’s fine!

      ——————————————————————

      On the other hand, if you were “winking” at the lyric reference then I applaud your whit! I was just alarmed thinking you were heading for a Rossi insult, but if you weren’t then MY BAD! I jumped to conclusions and did you a disservice, for which I heartily apologize!

    • Omega Z

      If you are implying a familiar ring as to Rossi, You are so very very WRONG.

      Hot Fusion- 5 decades plus in the making and always 20 years in the future. Cost to Tax Payers? MANY 10’s of Billions and MANY 10’s of Billions to come.

      Rossi’s E-cat 5 years in the making. Cost to Tax Payers? ZERO

      Pweet’s comparative skills? ZERO