Rossi: "I Confirm the [Industrial E-Cat] Production is Started" [Update: Production Currently in USA, Sweden "Soon"]

Andrea Rossi has answered some questions over the last few days on the Journal of Nuclear Physics regarding the production of E-Cat plants, and I thought it might be useful to put all the questions and answers together in one post to give as complete a picture as possible of what he is saying about the state of production.

  1. Are you confirming that the production of the industrial E-Cat is already started, or you had to stop it for some reason? — I confirm the production is started.
  2. These are low-temperature E-Cat plants? — yes, so far
  3. The design has been finalized for these plants? — not exclusively
  4. How many plants are currently ordered? — confidential
  5. Can you build more than one at a time? — I prefer to reserve the answer
  6. When do you expect the first of these plants will be completed? — I prefer to reserve the answer
  7. When do you expect the first of these plants will be installed? — I will give information of it when it will be working
  8. How many workers are involved in building these plants? — enough
  9. Are you personally involved in production process, or have you delegated this taAre the workers involved in the construction of the industrial plants to others? — I am personally involved
  10. Are the workers involved in the construction of the industrial plants
    A from 1 to 5
    B from 5 to 10
    C from 10 to 15 — B

The picture I am getting from these responses is that the production is underway in a rather small-scale way, with R&D still going on. Rossi’s answer to question 3 above makes it sound like the final design of these plants has not yet been decided upon. Perhaps they are building reactors and other components first, and are still determining some of the details.

It doesn’t sound like QuarkX plants are being built yet, but the answer to question 2 makes me think that they would like to use it in the future. If there are only 5-10 people involved in building the plants still we are talking about a small-scale operation, certainly not the “massive” production levels that Rossi has said is his goal.

Still, this is how many new inventions are developed. Expensive, time-consuming handmade models are the first to make it into the market, probably with immature designs. Rossi has said his first customers will be pioneers who are prepared to deal with products that might develop problems that require fixes from his team. It will be a big day if one of these plants is publicly announced as being in operation and the current levels of deep secrecy are lifted.

UPDATE (Aug 4, 2016):
I followed up on the Journal of Nuclear Physics with questions about the location of the E-Cat production activities:

Has your production started in one country only, or in more than one location? (you have mentioned you would have production in the USA and Sweden)
Andrea Rossi
August 3, 2016 at 2:04 PM
Frank Acland:
Now is started in the USA. Soon will start also in Sweden.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Thank you for the answer regarding Sweden — does this mean you have made progress in securing a factory location there?
Andrea Rossi
August 3, 2016 at 4:02 PM
Yes, thanks to our fantastic Swedish Team.
Warm Regards
A.R.

 

  • kdk

    I wonder what the production capacity of the Swedish plant will be like and how long it will take to ramp up to its full production capacity.

    • Alain Samoun

      Did Rossi signed up for the plant in Sweden?

      • Barbierir

        I asked this on Jonp some days ago but my direct question was edited and the answer was ambiguous. Either he has bought the factory or the deal failed or anything between.

        • Ged

          He previously said he had committed to buying the plant, and that was after the bidding was done, so if true he won the bid he has to purchase it now or get in serious trouble with the people he placed the bid with.

      • kdk

        Andrea Rossi
        June 17, 2016 at 8:37 AM
        Bob K:
        I am in the USA, but the negitiations are proceeding because we are going to do it. The decision has been taken. We will have two poles of manufacturing: one in the USA and one in Sweden.
        Warm Regards,
        A.R.

        http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/06/17/rossi-two-poles-of-e-cat-manufacturing-usa-and-sweden/

        He doesn’t explicitly say that the building has been bought, but I took it to mean that (in my memory anyway), and that assumption might be wrong. From the above, something going wrong during the process to try and buy it can’t be ruled out.

        • Ged

          He was bidding, so it seems like he won the bid, which locks him into that next phase. Pulling out from a bid has consequences, but I have never done so or personally seen that happen, so I haven’t looked much into what negative results occur for reneging on a done bid.

          • kdk

            Thanks. With that in mind it seems probable to me that the plant will be making e-cats, barring the only somewhat paranoid idea of outside meddling.

          • Barbierir

            I missed this comment from him, in such case he must have bought the factory building by now. Otherwise he would lose the down payment. I hope Mats Lewan can shed more light on this.

  • Barbierir

    He probably refers to the 3 further plants ordered by the customer, still mostly an handmade work

  • Barbierir

    He probably refers to the 3 further plants ordered by the customer, still mostly an handmade work

  • Robert Munson

    Off tooic, did anyone notice we have nothing from IH yet??

    • Ged

      They got an extension till Friday the 5th. They could still publish before then, though.

      Either way, I am very hopeful for some good data, which could have profound impacts. At least make things interesting.

  • Robert Munson

    Off tooic, did anyone notice we have nothing from IH yet??

    • Ged

      They got an extension till Friday the 5th. They could still publish before then, though.

      Either way, I am very hopeful for some good data, which could have profound impacts. At least make things interesting.

    • Andy Kumar

      According to Rossi, production HAS started. IH are smart businessmen. They will quietly pay Rossi $89M and start selling the cats under license. Or are they paying only for the demo, and have no other rights?

  • theBuckWheat

    The credibility of this issue will soon be settled for better or for worse. The more E-Cats that are produced the sooner the details of one will be leaked. If the E-Cat works anywhere near as advertised, then we are on the verge of one of the most disruptive advances since the electric light bulb or the gasoline engine. It will also change the world power dynamic in ways we cannot now predict. Just look at how much of the US defense budget is justified in order to assure the free flow of oil.

    The entire nation of Saudi Arabia, not to mention others, is a giant oil money redistribution scheme. What happens to the House of Saud when they can no longer buy off groups that strive to be the guardians of Mecca and Medina? What happens when oil money is not enough to pay for all the food and supplies that tens of millions of people need?

    • Ged

      We’ve kinda been seeing that happen with the repeated crash of the price of oil (like today). But, if the ecat (or any other disruptive new energy technology) works as advertised, it will still take many years to wean off oil; probably well more than a decade. That’ll give time for oil nations to transition, or rather continue the transitions they have already been force to begin due to oil’s crash, such as we see in Saudi Arabia.

      We will also always need oil even in such a future, for plastics and tires and more, but not nearly at the volumes as today.

    • Jas

      Thats happening already with Norway. Their vast reserves of Oil wealth that they have saved since the 1970’s are having to be dipped in to as the revenue has lessened with the Oil crash.
      They have one of the highest GDP’s in Europe but that will be under threat if the price of Oil will not rebound.

  • theBuckWheat

    The credibility of this issue will soon be settled for better or for worse. The more E-Cats that are produced the sooner the details of one will be leaked. If the E-Cat works anywhere near as advertised, then we are on the verge of one of the most disruptive advances since the electric light bulb or the gasoline engine. It will also change the world power dynamic in ways we cannot now predict. Just look at how much of the US defense budget is justified in order to assure the free flow of oil.

    The entire nation of Saudi Arabia, not to mention others, is a giant oil money redistribution scheme. What happens to the House of Saud when they can no longer buy off groups that strive to be the guardians of Mecca and Medina? What happens when oil money is not enough to pay for all the food and supplies that tens of millions of people need?

    • Ged

      We’ve kinda been seeing that happen with the repeated crash of the price of oil (like today). But, if the ecat (or any other disruptive new energy technology) works as advertised, it will still take many years to wean off oil; probably well more than a decade. That’ll give time for oil nations to transition, or rather continue the transitions they have already been force to begin due to oil’s crash, such as we see in Saudi Arabia.

      We will also always need oil even in such a future, for plastics and tires and more, but not nearly at the volumes as today.

    • Jas

      Thats happening already with Norway. Their vast reserves of Oil wealth that they have saved since the 1970’s are having to be dipped in to as the revenue has lessened with the Oil crash.
      They have one of the highest GDP’s in Europe but that will be under threat if the price of Oil will not rebound.

  • Ophelia Rump

    It also sounds like he is performing customization where desired.
    I wonder when will we see someone come forward and say look at this my company has purchased this miracle and it works. Can you imagine the bounce to the value of that company? It will probably require a publicly held company before this happens. Private companies have no motivation to share their secrets to success.

    • Andy Kumar

      // Private companies have no motivation to share their secrets to success. //
      .
      OR, are you saying that Rossi is working with a small private company using $1000 a day of heat. The company has such a great advantage that they won’t reveal it. The benefit of secrecy far outweighs the fame that comes with pioneering a whole new era?
      .
      OK, I will grant you that. But what is in it for Rossi. He is sitting on a zillion dollar invention, you say he is conspiring to let just ONE small company have a small advantage? Really? Doesn’t he have other projects to finance – like saving kids with cancer.

      • wpj

        If, indeed, these metal catalysts are being produced they are commodity products with producers in China who seem to have different cost economics to the rest of the world.

        The major cost input into making these is power; if a manufacturer can reduce its power costs to one 20th- one 50th, then they would have a major competitive advantage. Clearly, they would like to maintain this as long as possible.

        It’s possible that there is some clause in the purchase of the new units which prevents AR selling to competitors (as a quid pro quo for the test)

        • Omega Z

          I doubt there would be such a clause as you mention.

          However, I think it’s possible for a clause such as the customer ID being kept private in exchange for other clients being allowed to visit a working plant. All under NDA of course for a period of time.

          It’s also obvious that this would all leak out sooner or later.

        • Andy Kumar

          // It’s possible that there is some clause in the purchase of the new units which prevents AR selling to competitors //
          .
          I don’t get the wild speculations just to keep the hope alive. Who has ALL the cards? A small time buyer is telling a new found messiah NOT to save the rest of the world?

  • Ophelia Rump

    It also sounds like he is performing customization where desired.
    I wonder when will we see someone come forward and say look at this my company has purchased this miracle and it works. Can you imagine the bounce to the value of that company? It will probably require a publicly held company before this happens. Private companies have no motivation to share their secrets to success.

    • Andy Kumar

      // Private companies have no motivation to share their secrets to success. //
      .
      OR, are you saying that Rossi is working with a small private company using $1000 a day of heat. The company has such a great advantage that they won’t reveal it. The benefit of secrecy far outweighs the fame that comes with pioneering a whole new era?
      .
      OK, I will grant you that. But what is in it for Rossi. He is sitting on a zillion dollar invention, you say he is conspiring to let just ONE small company have a small advantage? Really? Doesn’t he have other projects to finance – like saving kids with cancer.

      • wpj

        If, indeed, these metal catalysts are being produced they are commodity products with producers in China who seem to have different cost economics to the rest of the world.

        The major cost input into making these is power; if a manufacturer can reduce its power costs to one 20th- one 50th, then they would have a major competitive advantage. Clearly, they would like to maintain this as long as possible.

        It’s possible that there is some clause in the purchase of the new units which prevents AR selling to competitors (as a quid pro quo for the test)

        • Omega Z

          I doubt there would be such a clause as you mention.

          However, I think it’s possible for a clause such as the customer ID being kept private in exchange for other clients being allowed to visit a working plant. All under NDA of course for a period of time.

          It’s also obvious that this would all leak out sooner or later.

        • Andy Kumar

          // It’s possible that there is some clause in the purchase of the new units which prevents AR selling to competitors //
          .
          I don’t get the wild speculations just to keep the hope alive. Who has ALL the cards? A small time buyer is telling a new found messiah NOT to save the rest of the world?

  • Gerard McEk

    In the past AR has said that the ‘customer’ has ordered 3 plants. I wouldn’t be surprised that there are now 3 being built in different phases.
    I assume that the customer wanted to continue the plant also after the test. That plant is now mothballed to allow for a test in the future. I would not be surprised that IH will demand this second test in their counterclaim. If they don’t than that would be highly suspicious, wouldn’t it?

  • sam

    Does anyone have any ideas on what
    type of worker,Engineers,Skilled trades,
    for example would be needed to build the Ecat.
    How would they go about building it.

    • GiveADogABone

      The four main disciplines in power station building are :-
      1: civil
      2: mechanical
      3: electrical
      4: control & instrumentation

      1: civil put up the building structure. Think of the E-cat container as a pre-fabricated building. Buy you pre-fab and put it in your factory. Modify to drawings.

      2: Fit any heavy mechanical kit, particularly the frame that holds the E-cat reactor slabs. Fit heavy pipework (not as easy as it sounds because of thermal expansion issues). Fit small bore pipework and fittings.

      3: Start fitting heavy electrical cabling. That needs junction boxes, cable trays and all mounting points. Fit light electrics. Most of this stuff gets hung on the container walls.

      4: At that point you probably load the reactor slabs themselves and bolt in place and join up to pipework. Fit lagging.

      5: C&I gets put in last and after the heavy mob have left.

      6: Once built you start on commissioning. Energise electrical supplies. Bring up systems in the right order and check. Filling the operating circuit with water might be a longish process of internal cleaning and leak checking before a final overpressure test.

      7: With all systems checked, approved and certified you can think about starting to heat. If everything heats up OK then shutdown and connect to a dummy load.

      8: Raise power to full electrical power and check all pumps and controls. You are dumping heat in the dummy load at this point.

      9: I have assumed that you can do all the previous steps without the Rossi Effect starting. That would clearly be the case if the fuel cartridge was a dummy. In that case you shutdown and fit the active cores.

      10: First startup to go active. Raise to full power.

      11: Argue about who was responsible for all the mistakes and who pays.

      • sam

        Thanks for your knowledge and
        giving it a go.A.R. should look you up to join his team.
        Step 11 is where the test Ecat is and it’s a headache.

        • GiveADogABone

          Frank has got my email address.

          • sam

            You should send A.R. your
            resume.
            They said Steve Jobs had an
            eye for talent and would hire
            them without a job interview.
            Maybe E.R. has that skill to.

          • GiveADogABone

            Leonardo Corporation can be reached through email: info@leonardocorp1996.com. Tried that and no joy.

            Tried the inquiry form at http://ecat.com/contact. No joy.
            Should I go for snail mail?

          • sam

            Peter Gluck from Ego out
            will help you out.
            You can e mail him.
            peter.gluck@gmail.com

    • Guru Khalsa

      Sorry but it sounds to me like your the bullshit and deep down you know it. That guy from Australia was definitely full of it. Where do you come up with these imaginary plants that have been running for years now. I have not heard about them and I have been following this story for years. And of course the only possible reason for anything you don’t understand is fraud. Confidentiality serves a real purpose when you are trying to protect IP. The worse thing Rossi can do today is ship a product that is not 100% reliable and that doesn’t happen without a lot of work retesting redesigning and have friends or confidential customers test it for you in real world conditions. If you are keeping your options open in a fluid situation or don’t have control over all the parameters and variations then that is exactly how you answer such a question lest something changes and your critics seize on it to say he lied he lied I knew he was a fraud

  • sam

    Does anyone have any ideas on what
    type of worker,Engineers,Skilled trades,
    for example would be needed to build the Ecat.
    How would they go about building it.

    • GiveADogABone

      The four main disciplines in power station building are :-
      1: civil
      2: mechanical
      3: electrical
      4: control & instrumentation

      1: civil put up the building structure. Think of the E-cat container as a pre-fabricated building. Buy you pre-fab and put it in your factory. Modify to drawings.

      2: Fit any heavy mechanical kit, particularly the frame that holds the E-cat reactor slabs. Fit heavy pipework (not as easy as it sounds because of thermal expansion issues). Fit small bore pipework and fittings.

      3: Start fitting heavy electrical cabling. That needs junction boxes, cable trays and all mounting points. Fit light electrics. Most of this stuff gets hung on the container walls.

      4: At that point you probably load the reactor slabs themselves and bolt in place and join up to pipework. Fit lagging.

      5: C&I gets put in last and after the heavy mob have left.

      6: Once built you start on commissioning. Energise electrical supplies. Bring up systems in the right order and check. Filling the operating circuit with water might be a longish process of internal cleaning and leak checking before a final overpressure test.

      7: With all systems checked, approved and certified you can think about starting to heat. If everything heats up OK then shutdown and connect to a dummy load.

      8: Raise power to full electrical power and check all pumps and controls. You are dumping heat in the dummy load at this point.

      9: I have assumed that you can do all the previous steps without the Rossi Effect starting. That would clearly be the case if the fuel cartridge was a dummy. In that case you shutdown and fit the active cores.

      10: First startup to go active. Raise to full power.

      11: Argue about who was responsible for all the mistakes and who pays.

      12: Never miss step 11: It is generally a good idea to get your retaliation in first.

      • sam

        Thanks for your knowledge and
        giving it a go.A.R. should look you up to join his team.
        Step 11 is where the test Ecat is and it’s a headache.

        • GiveADogABone

          Frank has got my email address.

          • sam

            You should send A.R. your
            resume.
            They said Steve Jobs had an
            eye for talent and would hire
            them without a job interview.
            Maybe E.R. has that skill to.

          • GiveADogABone

            Leonardo Corporation can be reached through email: info@leonardocorp1996.com. Tried that and no joy.

            Tried the inquiry form at http://ecat.com/contact. No joy.
            Should I go for snail mail?

          • sam

            Peter Gluck from Ego out
            will help you out.
            You can e mail him.
            peter.gluck@gmail.com

  • Frank, what is question ten about?

    and the paragraph after that is incomplete too.

    • Gerard McEk

      Number of people working on the E-cat plant(s): 5-10

  • Frank, what is question ten about?

    and the paragraph after that is incomplete too.

    • Gerard McEk

      Number of people working on the E-cat plant(s): 5-10

  • roseland67

    AndreA,

    What part of the process is ABB doing with automation & robots?

  • HS61AF91

    Thanks much easier to read with my aging focusing eyes.

  • MasterBlaster7

    These are the words I have been waiting to hear “production has started”. It is a shame though that it is limited production and not IH level production…but that is on IH.

    I guess now the only thing to wait for, other than ramped up production, is the “Bloom Energy moment”…let me explain….

    http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2010/02/bloom-energy-box-revealed-on-cbs-60.html

    I think that is the right link. Back in 2010 Bloom Energy went public with its gas to electricity fuel cell. It had instillation at Ebay and Google sites. Both Ebay and Google confirmed that the technology was saving them money. It was an inflection point. Both MSM and MSS were forced to reconcile that this was a real viable technology.

    This is the inflection point needed for LENR. For MSS to finally start pouring brains and money into its research. Also, money being poured into Rossi to ramp the technology for true market penetration.

    So, next stop…”Bloom Energy moment”…I would be curious to know what other mile stones you guys were looking for?

    • Michael W Wolf

      I can’t imagine IH giving up that kind of potential profits. They must know Rossi’s tech is not ready for market. Therefore, they don’t want to part with the 89 million with down the road maybe profits. I think IH will try to use technicalities to get out of paying. They know the tech is real. They also know that Rossi has not given them all the knowledge that they thought he should give them. We will finally officially hear from IH tomorrow. I have my fingers crossed. Because in the end, what do we really KNOW?

      • cashmemorz

        What I do know is that given normal and positive practices of business, IH and Cherokee are doing this, the court case and all else that may look weird to the average person, on purpose to make sure that they have every bit of information possible to confirm the action of the E-Cat one way or the other. If positive all the way then IH/Cherokee will have their “substantiation” of the one year test, Rossi wiill have his $89Million and so on. No need to get nervous. Show a little faith in humanity. Remember, it is always darkest before the dawn. Yours truly, philosopher Cashme. (snicker)

    • roseland67

      Blaster?
      The adverb I didn’t want to see was “soon”!
      November 13th, 2016,
      1st week of February, 2017, and date really that he could be held accountable for.
      “Soon” is Rossi speak for “later”

  • bachcole

    I sure hope that we can get some independent confirmation of this. I really am tired of being stuck in this “Rossi says” enclosure. I am positive that LENR+ a la Rossi is real. I am positive that Rossi has made great strides. Everything else concerning Rossi’s progress I view with varying degrees of uncertainty. (:-<)

    • MasterBlaster7

      Given the adversity lately, I am pretty pleased with the progress. It is just Rossi, 10 guys, and 10 million dollars; give or take. He just keeps plugging away with limited resources; I can’t fault him after today’s announcement.

    • Andy Kumar

      // I am positive that LENR+ a la Rossi is real. I am positive that Rossi has made great strides. //
      .
      If so, the +ve conclusions are solely based on Rossi-says, give or take F9. Then that should be a happy place to be in Rossi enclosure? Wait for tomorrow, when he gets hit with serious counter charges.

      • Dms

        this is like being on the Trump train. Not sure how anyone can be positive of the strides being made. It is all words and no evidence.

  • Chris Marshalk

    How many ecats off the production line per hour?? Per day??? Per week???

    • Michael W Wolf

      There is an order of 3 1mw ecats that will take 6 months I think Rossi said.

      • Chris Marshalk

        Thanks.

  • sam

    Frank Acland
    August 3, 2016 at 2:01 PM
    Dear Andrea,

    Has your production started in one country only, or in more than one location? (you have mentioned you would have production in the USA and Sweden)

    Thank you,

    Frank Acland

    Andrea Rossi
    August 3, 2016 at 2:04 PM
    Frank Acland:
    Now is started in the USA. Soon will start also in Sweden.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • sam

    Frank Acland
    August 3, 2016 at 2:01 PM
    Dear Andrea,

    Has your production started in one country only, or in more than one location? (you have mentioned you would have production in the USA and Sweden)

    Thank you,

    Frank Acland

    Andrea Rossi
    August 3, 2016 at 2:04 PM
    Frank Acland:
    Now is started in the USA. Soon will start also in Sweden.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • MasterBlaster7

    Given the adversity lately, I am pretty pleased with the progress. It is just Rossi, 10 guys, and 10 million dollars; give or take. He just keeps plugging away with limited resources; I can’t fault him after today’s announcement.

  • Karl Venter

    What happened to the ecat x / Quark etc ?

    • DrD

      Still in R&D he said (F8). I think he has some issues to resolve. Minor i think and he mentioned the possibility of improving the % electric.

  • Karl Venter

    What happened to the ecat x / Quark etc ?

    • DrD

      Still in R&D he said (F8). I think he has some issues to resolve. Minor i think and he mentioned the possibility of improving the % electric.

  • Michael W Wolf

    There is an order of 3 1mw ecats that will take 6 months I think Rossi said.

  • Mats002

    Tell Andrea ‘soon’ is not good enough ^^

    • sam

      soon
      so͞on/
      adverb
      1.
      in or after a short time.
      “everyone will soon know the truth”
      synonyms: shortly, presently, in the near future, before long, in a little while, in a minute, in a moment, in an instant, in a bit, in the twinkling of an eye, in no time, before you know it, any minute (now), any day (now), by and by; informalpronto, in a jiffy; dateddirectly, anon
      “we’ll be there soon”

      • Mats002

        Ok I see, this is true for common understanding but what is ‘soon’ in Andrea Rossi context? Many months or years from what I’ve learned.

      • Alan DeAngelis
  • Mats002

    Tell Andrea ‘soon’ is not good enough ^^

    • sam

      soon
      so͞on/
      adverb
      1.
      in or after a short time.
      “everyone will soon know the truth”
      synonyms: shortly, presently, in the near future, before long, in a little while, in a minute, in a moment, in an instant, in a bit, in the twinkling of an eye, in no time, before you know it, any minute (now), any day (now), by and by; informalpronto, in a jiffy; dateddirectly, anon
      “we’ll be there soon”

      • Mats002

        Ok I see, this is true for common understanding but what is ‘soon’ in Andrea Rossi context? Many months or years from what I’ve learned.

      • Alan DeAngelis
  • Barbierir

    One day left for the next cliffhanger in this story: IH counterclaims

  • Barbierir

    One day left for the next cliffhanger in this story: IH counterclaims

  • Andy Kumar

    // I am positive that LENR+ a la Rossi is real. I am positive that Rossi has made great strides. //
    .
    If so, the +ve conclusions are solely based on Rossi-says, give or take F9. Then that should be a happy place to be in Rossi enclosure? Wait for tomorrow, when he gets hit with serious counter charges.

    • Dms

      this is like being on the Trump train. Not sure how anyone can be positive of the strides being made. It is all words and no evidence.

  • Michael W Wolf

    BLP released another video. Rossi had better get in gear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDit4MwpSg0

    • Samec

      If You secure for me 60 mil. USD (as BLP consumed), so I am also capable produce some video with fantastic shining plasma arc and NO confirmed CoP of such hardware.

      • I’ll do it for $50M – and throw in a cuddly toy.

      • Michael W Wolf

        Imagine what you could do with the billions fusion research receives. Mills is changing the world for pennies on the dollar. And you don’t mind the money being confiscated from you to flush down the fusion toilet. Fine. But you are barking up the wrong tree. Interesting is that those lights are being lit by a regular solar panel. With CPV’s, 2000 of those led arrays would be lit. Which is 2000 COP over what you see in the video.

      • Michael W Wolf

        Oh, and how do you know they have already consumed the money? He who trusts no one, cannot be trusted. It seems you will say anything without conformation.

        • Omega Z

          The info is around the internet if you choose to spend the time looking for it. Mills had burned through about $80 Million before his last round of funding drive started about 2 years ago.

  • aland

    Listen, I want to believe in the E-cat and i’ve been following news on this site since it started, but this post in particular really pissed me off. Rossi is seriously a total fraud. How is it that every damn customer wants total privacy and Rossi himself gives literally no details about any of these plants. If they were real, he would want them to be public and what would be the shame on the part of the customer? Some of his earliest customers have supposedly been using their plants a while now, yet all still secretly? The degree of cloak and dagger nonsense in this post is ridiculous. There is no purpose to all this confidentiality except for the purposes of fraud. You remember that rich guy in Australia that offered him (what was it, at least a million for sure) and all he wanted was to see the e-cat in action with a scientist by his side to inspect it. Rossi rejected him. Know why? Why would he walk away from free money that only required an inspection of what was being invested in (typical in literally any other market with any product), because there was nothing to show him, he feared being discovered and outed. He’s clearly been able to fool a few individual scientists that have visited him, but this is not anything new.

    I could see being this secretive at the beginning before you’ve started selling anything but Rossi has allegedly been selling for a while now to quite a few customers. If they’re happy and they exist, what better way to bolster his attention, funding, and customer base than to be open about it? Because it’s fucking fraud that’s why. Sorry, but this post for me was the last straw of any hope I had in the E-cat. I want it to exist, I really do. But it’s fucking bullshit and you all know it deep down.

    • Guru Khalsa

      Sorry but it sounds to me like your the bullshit and deep down you know it. That guy from Australia was definitely full of it. Where do you come up with these imaginary plants that have been running for years now. I have not heard about them and I have been following this story for years. And of course the only possible reason for anything you don’t understand is fraud. Confidentiality serves a real purpose when you are trying to protect IP. The worse thing Rossi can do today is ship a product that is not 100% reliable and that doesn’t happen without a lot of work retesting redesigning and have friends or confidential customers test it for you in real world conditions. If you are keeping your options open in a fluid situation or don’t have control over all the parameters and variations then that is exactly how you answer such a question lest something changes and your critics seize on it to say he lied he lied I knew he was a fraud

    • help_lenr

      Don’t lie – you never wanted to believe rossi. You always looked evidence for his failure.

      Rossi does not have to publish anything yet. He published enough. The secrecy might be from the custemrs. In the deal Rossi-IH it was IH who demanded secrecy:

      every one who keeps track of what they say un public about Rossi Since 1 January 2014 Can see that, they even didn’t mention his name during that time.

      Rossi does not have to make a public show to entertain you.

      Rossi schedule of his projects is normal for a new technology, having low budget for his complicated projects. I may say that it is very fast.

      If you are looking to fraudsters better look on IH who promised the court to file counter claims against Rossi until 5 August 2016 (after asking for a delay).

      IH said that in this claim against Rossi they will show that Rossi committed fraud but It looks like they have difficulty to give any serious evidence.

      Their dead end for counter claim passed by now (now it is 1 AM Florida time, 6 August). There is no sign yet of filing their claims in court.

      Let’s wait a day or two to see if they filed any counter claim before August 6 (since the formal announcement may be delayed by bureaucracy). Anyway – the fact they are very late in their counter claim indicates that their claim is weak.

    • Karl Venter

      I must say I am leaning a little towards aland here
      I am sure most people including me would have stood on a high mountain and shouted look what I have here
      There are always sceptics in all aspects of life and you cant pay them much attention otherwise you wont get anywhere
      but you need demos to sell it ( BLP) – A new thing is always difficult to sell – let alone a complete radical new technology like this. Some say there are customers lined up – sell to them?
      I will buy 100000 x 10kw units tommorow ? no certification required.
      I just hope Rossi wins his case -otherwise I dont think he will survive it.
      Lugano we all thought this is good – some doubts have crept in there
      1 year test with a customer we all thought this was it – some doubts there too ?
      You cant improve the product for ever – at some stage you have to say – “Here is my Version 1/Beta ”
      Where is the Coup de Gras for Rossi ?

    • ivanc

      Every body now knows Andreas Rosie.

  • Omega Z

    The info is around the internet if you choose to spend the time looking for it. Mills had burned through about $80 Million before his last round of funding drive started about 2 years ago.

  • Karl Venter

    I must say I am leaning a little towards aland here
    I am sure most people including me would have stood on a high mountain and shouted look what I have here
    There are always sceptics in all aspects of life and you cant pay them much attention otherwise you wont get anywhere
    but you need demos to sell it ( BLP) – A new thing is always difficult to sell – let alone a complete radical new technology like this. Some say there are customers lined up – sell to them?
    I will buy 100000 x 10kw units tommorow ? no certification required.
    I just hope Rossi wins his case -otherwise I dont think he will survive it.
    Lugano we all thought this is good – some doubts have crept in there
    1 year test with a customer we all thought this was it – some doubts there too ?
    You cant improve the product for ever – at some stage you have to say – “Here is my Version 1/Beta ”
    Where is the Coup de Gras for Rossi ?