Matthey, Matthew, or Matth-less: The Question of JM Products Parent Company (Hank Mills)

The following post has been submitted by Hank Mills

Andrea Rossi has previously stated on his blog, the Journal of Nuclear Physics, that the customer utilizing the heat provided by his 1MW plant during the year long test was affiliated with a company based in the UK with factories across Europe. This was verified by the President of JM Products, Henry W. Johnson, in a statement included in the documents provided to the court as part of Leonardo Corporation’s initial complaint against Industrial Heat. The statement read, “JMC is owned by an entity formed in the United Kingdom, and none of Leonardo, Dr. Andrea Rossi, Henry W. Johnson nor any of their respective subsidiaries, directors, officers, agents, employees, affiliates, significant others, or relatives by blood or marriage has any ownership interest in JMC.”

Individuals on blogs and internet forums have debated for some time if JM Product’s parent company — if that is the best term to describe their relationship with the entity formed in the United Kingdom — is actually Johnson Matthey. If so, having a connection with a large, established, and extremely well respected company like Johnson Matthey would bring a measure of instant credibility to JM Products, their activity at the Doral, Florida site, and perhaps to Andrea Rossi’s technology as well. Although previous tests conducted by Andrea Rossi and additional third parties (Songsheng Jiang, Alexander Parkhomov, N. Stepanov, and others) seemed to verify the reality of the Rossi Effect, having a mainstream company like Johnson Matthey involved would be like a small privately owned computer repair shop having a contract to provide services to a company like Intel or AMD. Even without any form of direct endorsement, the connection itself would be noteworthy.

Until now, the evidence that Johnson Matthey had “something to do” with JM Products was limited, but highly interesting. For example, the logo of JM Products and Johnson Matthey were extremely similar; an alleged representative of JM Products at the Doral, Fl site claimed that metal sponges were being produced which are a product Johnson Matthey is well known to manufacture; the metal sponge process is one that would be comptible with the use of low temperature steam to be used in the leeching process; a Johnson Matthey plant that produces sponge metal is located only one state away in the stage of Georgia; the names of the two companies Johnson Matthey and JM Products were similar; some forum users have claimed to have performed research and determined that there are no other company based in the UK that fits the description of the parent company other than Johnson Matthey, etc.

Despite these apparent clues, Rossi has stated on his blog that they have nothing to do with Johnson Matthey and they only purchased a few things from the company. However, as part of Industrial Heat’s latest response in the legal battle with Leonardo Corporation, they have stated that Andrea Rossi and his lawyer told them that JM Products did indeed have a connection to Johnson Matthey. Furthermore, they published an invoice from JM Products to Industrial Heat with the letter head including the following description.

J.M. Products, Inc. “Advanced Derivatives of Johnson Matthew Platinum Sponges.” (See image below which is Exhibit 18 in Industrial Heat’s recent filing responding to Rossi’s lawsuit against them — all Exhibits can be seen here)


Rossi’s denial of any involvement with Johnson Matthey seems strange after seeing the above description. This is for a number of reasons, including the fact that the UK based company Johnson Matthey ends with a “y” and not a “w.” This brings up a number of questions which I have posted a few of to the Journal of Nuclear Physics. My hope is that Andrea Rossi will approve the post and answer the questions.

Dear Andrea,

You previously told me in response to a question:

“Andrea Rossi
April 24, 2016 at 4:22 PM

Hank Mills:
Your comment contains a big mistake: Johnson Matthey has nothing to do with us. We bought from them some materials but that is all. Please do not diffuse false information.
No further comments.
Warm Regards

Now, Industrial Heat claims that the customer sent them an invoice with the letter head identifying their company as,

“J.M. Products, Inc. “Advanced Derivatives of Johnson Matthew Platinum Sponges.”

Here are my questions:

1) Does J.M. Products have anything to do with Johnson Matthew? (Note, I mean Johnson Matthew with the name Matthew ending in a “w.”)

2) Does Johnson Matthew, ending with a “w” have anything to do with the large well known UK based company Johnson Matthey ending with a “y”?

3) Do you confirm that J.M. Products has a verifiable connection of some sort — as a subsidiary or affiliate — with Johnson Matthey, related to the production of a chemical product manufactured or processed at the Doral, Florida location?

4)If the answer to all the above questions is that JM Products never had anything to do with Johnson Matthew (with a “w”) or Johnson Matthey (with “y”), will you identify the company based in the UK that is connected to JM Chemical Products — which you described had facilities across Europe?

I think the answers to these questions are important as the overall situation becomes more bizarre and incomprehensible by the day.


I’m not an attorney or have any legal experience, so I don’t claim to be capable of decifering legal documents. But Industrial Heat seems to allege in their latest response that Johnson Matthey has no connection with JM Products and no manufacturing took place at the Doral, Florida site. I realize that if there is a connection between JM Products and Johnson Matthey, the relationship may be confidential and sealed with non-disclosure agreements. However, I personally feel the overall situation has reached a point that demands for JM Product’s parent company, owner, or affiliate based in the UK to be revealed openly.

The LENR “landscape” on the blogs and forums grows more toxic each and every day that the battle between Leonardo Corporation and Industrial Heat wages onward. With relatively little factual information to go on — for example the ERV report has yet to be published by either party — individuals supporting both sides strike at each other viciously like cobras ready to dig in with their poisonous fangs. Their snide remarks, extreme hostility, and often outrageously rude and inappropriate behavior (personal attacks) are doing damage to the entire field, potentially pushing interested parties away and making the whole field of cold fusion (LENR) appear unappealing to become involved with. For a area of research struggling to be accepted by a mainstream scientific community that has already expressed total contempt, this is totally unacceptable.

I have no idea how Andrea Rossi should address the issue of JM Product’s parent company in the legal arena; however, I have an idea what might help in the so called “court” of legal opinion. And that would be answers to the questions I’ve posted to the Journal of Nuclear Physics, along with some form of verification from the parent company — whomever they might be.

Please let me make one final issue clear before I close. I’m not specifically claiming one way or the other if Johnson Matthey is the parent company of JM Products or has anything to do with Leonardo Corporation’s customer. But with so much information being made available that would push the average person’s mind towards the idea, the true identity of the parent company should be revealed to prevent the overall LENR “bloodstream” from becoming totally septic.

This needs to happen immediately and without delay. Otherwise, the simple truth is that continual witholding of JM Product’s parent company only makes a bad situation, a community ready to fray apart at the seams due a lack of verifiable information, even worse.

Hank Mills

  • Ged

    What’s on second?

  • Engineer48

    Hi Jed, who wrote:
    “JMP, however, has never been a subsidiary of Johnson Matthey, was not operating or planning to operate any manufacturing process in Florida, ”

    Is there a statement from Johnson Matthey that supports this claim? If so I must have missed it. Link?

    Is there any association between Johnson Matthew and Johnson Matthey?

  • Publius

    This is one of those situations where either Rossi and Johnson committed fraud or IH is lying and Jones Day, one of the premier law firms in the word, is allowing misrepresented allegations to be brought before the court. Jones Day is not going to open themselves up to possible sanctions by introducing cross claims they have not properly vetted. The bar for fraud is very high and not lightly introduced into federal court.
    The curious JM letterhead with an amateurish typo “Johnson Matthew” does not help Rossi and Johnson.

    • Omega Z

      Jones Day wouldn’t do this, that and the other thing because- Why?
      Because their Big, Powerful and Influential?

      Actually, large Entities such as them tend to become arrogant and think that Rules don’t apply to them. They can do and say as they please. Everyone knows this. Merely read what comes across from the blog posts. Their Big and Powerful and Might makes Right.

      I witnessed this interview-
      Al Gore presented with the fact that his CO2 footprint is that of 50 to 100 average people stated- You can’t compare him to the average person… He’s important.
      Wonder how he views the average person? Wait, I think I know…

      The top 10% income bracket in the U.S. contributes 48% of the CO2 in the U.S.

  • wpj

    Damn auto correct!

  • Hank Mills

    I doubt Industrial Heat would lie about what was stated by Rossi and Henry W. Johnson in such a meeting — the chance of them doing so is exceedingly low. However, I do not see in the court papers where Industrial Heat explains how they know for an absolute fact Johnson Matthey was not the parent company of JM Products. For example, if I were IH I would have contacted Johnson Matthey. They do not report attempting to do so. It would be thoughtful if IH would share how exactly they reached the conclusion that JM Products had no connection with Johnson Matthey.

    • Omega Z

      Johnson Matthey has a New Jersey location.

      It’s also interesting that 1) Rossi traveled that area often in the past. 2) The Matthey would be a 1 stop shop for Rossi. They carry everything used in the E-cat. Including Silicon carbide (SiC), the ceramic materials ALL.
      Johnson Matthey
      2001 Nolte Drive
      West Deptford, New Jersey
      08066 1727
      United States of America
      Largest rich metals PGM refinery in N.A.
      Their also touchy about Security etc…

      We maintain the right to search everyone leaving our premises and secure areas. This applies to anyone entering JM secure areas. No one will be allowed on to our secure areas unless they agree to these terms. By anyone and their property we mean: Every employee and visitor including:

      The Chairman
      Visitors and customers
      Contractors and trades persons
      Vehicles – lorries, cars, fork lift trucks, trolleys etc

    • Engineer48

      Hi Hank,

      I expect IH would not execute the heat sale agreement with a new born US company. IH would have done due diligence on the UK parent including assurances as to the payment for the heat and to the security of IH’s reactor.

      This suggests IH knows the name of the UK parent and I suggest under an NDA.

      What I see is IH attempting to force Rossi to break the NDA and out Johnson Matthey as the UK client.

      I do note John T Yaughn (initials JTV) made the name changes to the document Johnson the lawyer inked.

      You can match his handwriting on some of the court documents.

      So IH was involved in the registration of the US heat customer & I highly suggest knows who the UK parent is but it seems is trying to force Rossi to break a NDA & disclose.

  • Optimist

    “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

    There is a number of things that don’t add up.

    1. Why would a multi million dollar company pay someone 11M$ with out even making an independent black box energy verification first?
    2. Why would the same company, without any Due diligence in hand, make them selves liable towards other 3rd party investors that invested in their funds?
    3. Why would you jeopardize your whole carrier as investor by making license agreements in China for hundreds of million dollars without having solid evidence that it actually works and how can you actually do that without providing such evidence?
    4. If Rossi got any COP at all, why would he jeopardize his whole progress by exaggerating the numbers, putting his chance of becoming the winner of the run for CF at risk?
    5. If Rossi has the numbers why on earth would IH jeopardize their right to the IP by refusing the 89M$ payment?
    6. If Rossi is a fraud that also means that the Elforsk research is a noncense meaning that all involved are either incompetate or fraudsters that is difficult to swallow factoring in their careers, them knowing what was at stake and no obvious significant personal gains at stake?
    7. Same for other respectfull 3rd party replications. Are they all fraudsters?

    So….either Rossi is a master of deception, investors are idiots, 11 experienced scientist and Elforsk are incompetent of measuring energy in the MWh range and the replicators are incompetent fools…. or there is some powerplay taking place.

    If we assume that Rossi has something, based on that the fraudsters possibility is highly odd given the circumstances,… what else could be the driving things into this bizarre state.

    The usual answer would be money. LENR is no small thing like invention of a smartphone etc. It is a paragdigm shift in the way we approach almost everything from transportation to food production to space travel. I haven’t seen anyone even try to evaluate it’s worth in a monopoly state but that number is humongous. But it really depends on how long that monopoly lasts and every additional month of competetive advantage could be measured in billions of dollars.

    So if you are IH and Rossi and you have a working technology and you want to maximise the profit of your IP…how would you play your cards?

    You would not want to trigger billions of dollars investment in a competitive technology before you are ready to cash out, such as by selling your IP to GE, Samsung or alike.

    To do that, you would delay until you have a stable product/process to provide solid evidence that you have something and keep the doubt as high as possible

    You might even invest in competitors to have first hand information available on the IP gap at all times.

    Setting up a small show, such as a legal fight to buy few extra months worth billions to the owners of the IP would probably not be a problem for most investors.

    So is it possible that this is indeed a show?

    It is even possible that it was not the intention from the start, they thought that they would be ready this February but the technology issues were more serious than they assumed?

    Would not be the first time.

    • Mark

      The thought has also crossed my mind, Buuuutttt Rossi’s anger seems true, he’s not very good at hiding it 🙂

    • f sedei

      The only logical answer to your questions: “Insurmountable Greed”?

    • Roland

      An interesting list (though there are a few useful additions that would clarify the issues in play) and a few astute observations; the primary one being that large forces are engaged towards a desired outcome.

      So, let’s move forward from the conclusion you arrived at based on #6. The technology is much as described, several accredited engineers have not simultaneously left all their critical faculties in a dumpster somewhere and the big play to eradicate Rossi’s pubic credibility is underway.

      Suddenly E-cats are described as utterly fraudulent and all the personnel that were ever present at the site are members of a conspiracy to fleece the wounded innocents at IH.

      Who would say a thing like that if it wasn’t true?

      Actually the answer to that question is really very simple as there is a company present in this dispute that has specialized in doing precisely this for 60 years. They saw the implicit wisdom in the insights offered up by humanity’s first practising mass psychologist; the veritable father of branding and mass persuasion.

      The company’s first commercial success came early, by the mid 1950’s they had landed an enormous account that not only ‘made’ the company’s future, it also resulted in a road map for moulding public perception on contentious issues that has served it ever since.

      The essential insights are simplicity itself; tell an enormous lie, rather than a bunch of little ones, and repeat the lie over and over and over and never back down an inch in the face of ‘evidence’ or reason or emotional appeals.

      Always, and relentlessly, attack, attack, attack the truth and bury it under a deluge of lies.

      Here’s the successful ‘big lie’ that showed the way forward to enormous success in the PR biz:

      Nicotine is not addictive and smoking tobacco is a harmless and pleasurable pastime that smokers can cease partaking in any time they choose too.

      How, you might wonder, is this completely discredited lie germane in the current situation? Well the particular lie isn’t germane; the methodology and what the company that successfully promulgated this lie did as an encore is.

      Scientists at Humble Oil alerted management to a potential threat to the company’s business model in the late 1950’s, modelling had revealed the risk that the emission of so called ‘greenhouse gases’ could alter the earth’s climate given projected growth in consumption of fossil fuels.

      Over time Humble Oil morphed into EXXON, and EXXON spearheaded the industry response to the risks inherent to increasing the greenhouse gas content of the atmosphere. EXXON and the rest of the industry chose to lie about the science, lie about the risks and lie about the consequences of lying.

      Who did the most powerful businesses on the planet turn to, in their hour of need, to sell this message?

      Why they turned to folks with a proven track record of successfully marketing a really big really ugly lie; they turned to the experts at APCO, big tobacco’s favourite PR company. APCO had demonstrated the willingness to promote a course of action, for very modest fees given the industry stakes, that led directly to millions and millions of very ugly deaths from cigarette smoking.

      Most people would naturally find this behaviour to be profoundly repugnant, but proving to all and sundry that ethics and morality plays no role in the APCO business model was, and is, the most compelling rational for contracting APCO’s services in some quarters.

      Why is APCO here? APCO is here to do what they always do, APCO is here to sell the big lie.

      In this case the lie is that LENR is a dead end.

      What is the hoped for outcome?

      For APCO’s major clients this is a holding action; every day that passes without the broad recognition that the enterprises that are threatening the wellbeing of the ecology of an entire planet are no longer essential is considered a win that fully justifies the budget.

      Leonardo is big oil’s ultimate ‘black swan’ event and the ground has already been shifting under their feet because of it; the threat of LENR is existential and the big lie is the default response.

      Will Leonardo be required to alter strategy as Hank Mills so stridently demands Rossi do?


      There are no surprises in this for Leonardo and the way forwards is clear; keep right on building the future a day at a time because the truth of LENR won’t be denied.

  • Michael W Wolf

    Looks like someone doctored the Matthey name. Look at the space betweent the e and w. Matthew. see how the w sits next to the e? In that bill there is a space.

    • Achi

      You are right. That is odd.

    • Andre Blum

      good catch!

    • akupaku

      There is no space there, not a full space anyway. I tried writing the name in LibreOffice Writer and got the following result with 2 first lines in 9 point Times New Roman (first line has space between e and w) and the last line copied from the above document.

      • Observer

        If a “w” was pasted over a “y” there would be less room, not more.

      • SG

        I must admit, the ‘w’ seems a little tilted and awkwardly spaced from the ‘e.’ But why? Rossi has denied multiple times that Johnson Matthey is the customer. I see multiple possibilities:

        1) Rossi might be splitting hairs in his denials (Johnson Matthey is not the customer because technically JM Products is the customer). In this scenario, Johnson Matthey is the real party in interest, and someone at IH might have altered the document to replace the ‘y’ with a ‘w’ to make the customer situation look like a big deception. If Rossi / Leonardo produce the same letter with a ‘y’ instead of a ‘w,’ then things will get interesting.

        2) Rossi has all along been telling the truth that Johnson Matthey has nothing to do with the “customer.” In this scenario, perhaps someone associated with Leonardo felt bad about putting Johnson Matthey on a letterhead with no real association, and so changed the ‘y’ to a ‘w’ to provide some plausible (albeit silly) deniability. This is the “ruse” possibility to get the plant down to Florida to make the testing more convenient for Rossi.

        3) It is simply a typo. In this scenario, there is a connection to Johnson Matthey and perhaps Rossi is denying such a connection in a predetermined plan with Johnson Matthey (we both agree to deny a relationship if the question ever arises in public).

        4) It is simply a typo–different possibility. In this scenario, there is a connection to Johnson Matthey, but Rossi is under NDA not to discuss any of the specifics of the relationship, and therefore has taken to a denial as the best way he can think of to honor the NDA.

  • Billy Jackson

    Not sure if its been discussed.

    JM Products & Johnson Mathews are 2 separate entities. Johnson Mathews may be personally interested and investing time and equipment into the test of the E-Cat on his own volition. That is not the same as JM Products endorsing or supporting said experiment officially. We keep trying to link the two together when in truth.. the fact that Mathews owns JM Products may have nothing do with the test, he may be interested in the technology on a personal level. An endorsement by one entity does not mean an endorsement by the other.

  • GiveADogABone

    A google search on ‘johnson matthew’ returns nothing.

    That would be very surprising for a trading company.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    U.S. DoD may move Rossi and his QuarkX lab to Gitmo.

    • Ged

      No. Guantanamo Bay detention center is for the worst of terrorists belonging to public enemy terrorist organizations; and despite promises to be closed after all the torture that went on there, remains open. Let’s not joke about that place.

      • sam

        Hi Iggy
        You have commented that you thought the Rossi effect was
        100 percent and 50 percent
        that A.R. could make the Ecat
        work properly.
        Is that still your take on it.

    • sam

      Hi Iggy
      You have commented that you thought the Rossi effect was
      100 percent and 50 percent
      that A.R. could make the Ecat
      work properly.
      Is that still what you think.

  • sam

    I think the Ecat is real at some level and I.H. and A.R. should
    be going all out at this time to
    take it to a higher level instead
    of playing there mixed up legal
    But boys will be boys.

  • Andre Blum

    nice writeup, hank.

  • Mats002

    Andrea Rossi
    August 7, 2016 at 2:17 PM
    Luis Navarro:
    Thank you for the link, anyway, as I always said, Johnson Matthey is NOT the Customer.
    Warm regards,

    • Curbina

      ecause the customer is JM products Inc., so Rossi is technically not lying. The right question would be “is Johnson Matthey the UK company of which the customer is a subsidiary?” I think Rossi is bound by an NDA To this respect. If this question is asked It probably will be spammed.

      • If the greatest discovery in mankind’s history has now descended to its inventor indulging in ‘legalese’ hair splitting of this kind, I think I’d rather like to resign from the human race and set up shop as an independent species.

        • Mark Underwood

          🙂 Such is the nature of the beast when one is in the arena of legal agreements and politics. Cringeworthy. Also cringeworthy is the language that inventors have to use in LENR patent applications to have any hope of getting past the what-is-scientifically-acceptable establishment police.

        • Curbina

          I share your sentiment. But then Rossi already did the same before, back when we were discussing who was the partner that later turned out to be IH, he plainly denied it when asked directly if the new flagship (as he liked to call it) was Cherokee, which was technically true as the company was Industrial Heat LLC.

  • Publius

    A better analogy would be MS Products – Advanced Derivatives of Nicrosoft and then deny any affiliation with Microsoft.

  • Curbina

    Because the customer is JM products Inc., so Rossi is technically not lying. The right question would be “is Johnson Matthey the UK company of which the customer is a subsidiary?” I think Rossi is bound by an NDA To this respect. If this question is asked It probably will be spammed.

  • I’m inclined to agree. It could be proven if the exact font is identified (it’s not the Times New Roman posted above, but close) and then overlaying Johnson Matthey on the existing one to see if they match.

    Probably just a half-hearted attempt to preserve plausible deniability for Johnson Matthey.

    • Ged

      Michael is also correct that the W is slightly vertically out of line with the rest (lower). It’s very slight, but not like how the remaining font functions. Odd things can happen, but it is a curious bit of potential unusualness surrounding an important part of the document. Anyone versed in forensic analysis of typography would be able to put it to rest quite quickly.

  • Andrew


  • A paragraph in Hank’s article stands out strongly for me:

    The LENR “landscape” on the blogs and forums grows more toxic each and every day that the battle between Leonardo Corporation and Industrial Heat wages onward. With relatively little factual information to go on — for example the ERV report has yet to be published by either party — individuals supporting both sides strike at each other viciously like cobras ready to dig in with their poisonous fangs. Their snide remarks, extreme hostility, and often outrageously rude and inappropriate behavior (personal attacks) are doing damage to the entire field, potentially pushing interested parties away and making the whole field of cold fusion (LENR) appear unappealing to become involved with. For a area of research struggling to be accepted by a mainstream scientific community that has already expressed total contempt, this is totally unacceptable.

    If the IH shenanigans have been largely driven by an intent to quietly capture relevant IP, and to delay the general progress of CF, then it would be logical to simultaneously try to drive people away from the whole topic – followers, inventors and potential customers and investors alike. The undue aggression, misinformation and downright unpleasantness exhibited in widespread commenting by Dewey Weaver and Hody/Yugo, and to a lesser extent by Rothwell, Lomax and others, seen in this light would make a great deal of sense.

    • georgehants

      Morning Peter, would you agree that the whole situation would be completely different, if after five and a half years Mr. Rossi had allowed a single fully independent third party, open, repeatable, test of his most basic claims.
      If Mr. Rossi had any patent application etc. showing the necessary details for a repetition by anybody skilled in the art etc.
      One must stay open-minded, I am just asking what seems the most obvious questions.

      • Hello George, I hope you and yours are well.

        In principle, yes to your question, but I fear that even the most solid, incontrovertible proof would still have been lost in a mire of synthetic FUD, and nothing would have been gained or changed.

        As to the rest, while I have no doubts whatsoever that LENR is a real phenomenon, that Rossi has at least some of the answers, and that this knowledge has yielded a workable but probably flaky CF boiler system, any faith I had in AR actually marketing a viable product in the forseeable future is at a very low ebb, as he is up against forces too powerful for one man to overcome.

        In addition I have extreme doubts about (to be frank, don’t believe) the customer/secret production story, many reservations about the ‘quark x’ narrative on JoNP (due simply to the so far total lack of physical evidence) and I remain neutral about claims or inferences of new partnerships, factories being designed and built, additional heaters being assembled to order, etc, etc.

        All will be revealed in due course, but I no longer hold any expectation of seeing the world transformed by Rossi’s reactors within my lifetime, as I believe that TPTB have won, by successfully using Darden and cronies to delay the introduction of CF until a time of their choosing. Infinitely sad, but that’s the world we live in, and it will take a miracle to shake off the parasites.

        • georgehants

          Morning, yes it all started out so well years ago, with these pages full of all the possible uses for Cold Fusion soon.
          Forgetting Mr. Rossi’s dreams of riches beyond compare, it would seem that, as in the beginning, only a free release of the technology (if genuine) is going to get things moving.
          As you know this has always been my position allowing that Mr. Rossi must be “fairly” rewarded and recognised for his achievements (if genuine).
          As you say we are all getting older, but I still have that HOPE that things will before to long start to bring benefits.
          On the down side not a single open report Worldwide of any repetition of Cold Fusion clearly, reliably and repeatably above COP 1.
          All the best.

          • Agreed. OZ’s post above in reply to AlainCo explains the suppression mechanism in play. The only question seems to be whether Darden is acting on his own behalf, or (as I’m inclined to believe) as a front for other, larger, players who prefer to remain hidden from view.

            ONLY the release online of fully detailed, working instructions for making a CF reactor can now break these tactics. Otherwise the scenario I’ve been putting forward for years – of monopoly control by the PTB, slow, centralised introduction for metered powergen only, and suppression of all private/small scale useage – will play out unopposed.

    • IH is not at all deterring people to look for LENR.
      They support scientists and report “some succes”, among which E-cat is not.

      Why is it so hard to admit I’ve been fooled like many have been.

      The story details are ridiculous, ham-handed (funny term) as say Jed…
      It remind me DGT.
      I hope yet another (credible) inventor do not organize us such a theater.

      • The alternative take on that is that they are engaged in acquiring all available CF IP, but have no intention of using it themselves. There are several viable explanations for such behaviour which have been explored on this blog.

        As to the rest, I can’t argue with that.

      • Omega Z

        IH/Darden is helping LENR, OR more likely one of those Controling LENR.

        IH/Darden are Venture Capital. They are not your freind. They are a necessary Evil. This has always been the case. However, Old time Venture Capitalists will tell you that(And have stated this), Compared to today’s Venture Capitalists, those of the old days look like saints.

        Note: Brillouin Energy / Robert Godes retains only 5% of his IP.
        In 2017 should Godes announce high temp success with COP>10 and he intends to go to market, Think again. It is not his decision to make. Even if they let him believe that for the time being. Those who control the 95% will decide- If it comes to market and how much per KW they will charge. Not Godes.

        Strange that in the IH/Rossi contract, Rossi would have retained 50% of the World Market. However, an examination of the contract and IH/Dardens actions indicate they intended to remedy that. Thus Industrial heats international Patent application without Rossi’s approval.

        Incidentally, Had that patent been approved(It was rejected in January), there was nothing Rossi could do about it as they included his name on it. All he could do is go along and hope they paid royalties to him. Extremely unlikely as they have no intention to market it. Rossi is then blocked as with Godes situation, Rossi would no longer control his IP.

        Perhaps the above situations are why some in the U.S. are pushing for a change in the U.S. patent laws. That change would specify if you have a patent of a beneficial technology, you must bring it to market. Alternatively if you don’t, The Government could declare the patent null and void…

  • Satyavan Both could be companies name and or Matthew is a department name. Behind it real persons. One person on behalf of the company can setup a shell company for the test purposes and to me that is OK.

    • Mark Underwood

      Matthew is just a typo, Matthey is the real name.

      • SG

        The sloppy letterhead used for the U.S. shell company also included the same typo.

        • Mark Underwood

          Yes which is why (I suspect) they changed the letterhead. Maybe the same guy who did the bad letterhead did the same two typos in the url Satyavan provided 🙂

  • Alain Samoun

    “the customer sent them an invoice”
    It’s not the customer who sent the invoice but the customer asking IH to send him (JM) an invoice based on the heat it had received. Anyway that the way I understand it… Not usual that a customer asks to be invoiced but it happens. The question then is: Did IH invoiced and received the money from JM?

    • SG

      Yes, the Answer was sloppy at best, or misleading at worst, when describing the “invoices.”

    • An invoice from IH would have been ‘proof’ that they had received the amount of electrical power stated, and also tacit recognition that ‘J M Products’ was both a real entity and a ‘customer’. It would have been quite a valuable document for Rossi if he was already collecting ‘evidence’ at this stage. I doubt very much that Vaughn would have fallen for this move.

  • SG

    I don’t think it is Johnson Matthey. Rossi has denied it multiple times now. Evidence is emerging of another shell company in the UK with a Chinese connection. The letterhead in the Answer’s exhibit never purported to be associated with the JM of the UK–only that it was involved in “advanced derivatives…” IH claimed that Rossi told them it was Johnson Matthey of the UK, but then didn’t provide any supporting evidence.

  • SG

    I must add a fifth possibility, which I now favor over all of the others:

    5) It is simply a typo, and there is no direct connection to Johnson Matthey. Rather, there really is a UK entity not owned by Rossi, Leonardo, etc. It is probably another shell company, with a connection to China. The sloppy letterhead and business card of the U.S. shell company were just thrown together, because the only purpose anyways was to prevent the customer in China from being exposed.

    • Obvious

      Sure looks like Rossi’s typing, asking for the invoice to be sent.

  • Alain Samoun

    If there are no invoices and no payments,this shows that right at the beginning of the test IH knew that it was no customer – This may have an impact on the judgement…

  • jimbo92107

    Within the framework of a big con, the clever fraudster might invent a company that bore a strong resemblance to one that was well known. He might even vigorously deny any connection to the famous company, hoping to encourage rumors.

    • He most brilliant, idiotic, genius, ham-handed fraudster there ever was!