"The E-Cat is neither CHEMICAL, FISSION nor FUSION. It is a MACHINE!" (Chapman)

The following is a comment made by Chapman on the previous thread.

As I said back in MAY!


May 4, 2016 at 7:16 PM
Dear Mr. Rossi,

Folks seem to be having a hard time visualizing what is actually happening in an E-Cat. Please allow me to put forth this visual model in order to clarify the “inner workings” and “deep mysteries” within.

Consider a standard kitchen blender with a glass carafe, like you make margaritas in during warm summer afternoons.

Like most blenders, the lid has a small plug which can be removed for adding ingredients during operation. Around the hole for the plug there is a small flat lip.

Now, imagine this:

1. Remove the plug, and balance a few steel ball bearings on the lip around the hole.

2. Turn on the blender, just on low to start with, but SLOWLY increase the blender until it is up to “High”.

Take a moment to look at it. The blades are whirling around at high RPM and the ball bearings are jiggling around from the vibration, teetering around the edge of the lip.

3. Now, WHACK the blender with a rolling pin!

What happens?

The ball bearings fall from the lip and into the fast spinning blades below, and are sent smashing through the glass of the carafe, shattering it into pieces!

In this visual aid, the blender blades are Nickel atoms, the ball bearings are Hydrogen Ions liberated from the Lithium-Aluminum-Hydride and the glass carafe is the web of Lithium Atoms mixed throughout.

Heating the mixture to just short of the melting point of the nickel, and pumping up the electron shells about the nickel nuclei is represented by the power of the high speed blades.

Whacking the blender with a rolling pin is identical to sending an Electromagnetic Pulse through the energized e-cat reactor vessel. Deformation of the electron shells causes the capture and eventual disassembly of hydrogen ions within the maelstrom of the electron shell energy fields resulting in the energetic expulsion of suddenly solitary protons.

These ejected protons then collide with lithium atoms and transmutate Lithium 7 to Beryllium 8, which promptly decay to two Alpha – which consequently gain electrons to become Helium atoms.

The process of the forced decay of Lithium to Helium – resulting in a large energy release – is well documented, and was the first nuclear fission process ever demonstrated. [see Cockcroft-Walton; 1932]

The genius of the e-cat is in its application of the primary LENR process (proton liberation from an energized nickel-hydride) to effectively utilize individual Nickel atoms as sub-Nano scale proton accelerators.

Indeed, this invention should be rightly considered a breakthrough in Nano-Tech Engineering, as the apparatus is, in fact, mechanical in nature rather than chemical or nuclear, just as a Scanning Electron Microscope is a MACHINE, not a “reaction”.

Consider: This process does not involve molecular interactions and formations (other than the Hydride fuel supplement), so this exhibit can not be called “chemical” in nature. And, while we see Helium being produced while Hydrogen is consumed, this clearly is not “Fusion”, as it is a sequence going through Lithium and then DOWN to Helium. Now, in modern terms, the breakdown of Beryllium is a “decay” into Alpha particles as radiation, so this clearly does not qualify as fission under current models.

So I repeat, the E-Cat is neither CHEMICAL, FISSION nor FUSION. It is a MACHINE! A beautiful, badass, Nano-Tech, Energy Liberating Machine!

GOD BLESS YOU, Mr. Rossi. May he continue to bless your endeavours with success, while you continue to work to bring this to the masses!

– Chapman –


I have repeatedly gone on and on about the fact that the reaction chain is aneutronic, and the only neutron troubles arise as the result of misguided individuals insisting on FOULING their experiments with deuterium, thinking they were chasing a classic “Hot-Fusion” model of fusing hydrogen into helium.

Again, I say to all, this has been out there for years, and anyone can read up and understand what the process is and how it works.

But I would point out one thing I think you need to look closer at. Piantelli writes about the proton energy at expulsion – after the disassociation of the hydrogen – as being around 6.7MEV. Unfortunately, that is derived from the coulomb barrier potential resulting from the total charged nucleons involved. But if you think it through you will realize that the hydrogen dissociates at the point where the external forces equal the attractive force of its own structure – a little over 1 MEV. The hydrogen ION cannot penetrate to the deepest reaches of the electron cloud because it is ripped apart only part way down.

You still get protons with enough energy for the lowest probability lithium penetrations, but a reduced total count. So where does the additional energy come from to pump the protons up not only to the point of totally dominating the lithium, but even absorption by the nickel?

That is where the Plasmons come in. As “superstructures” they affect colliding protons by dramatically increasing the proton energy, enabling direct nickel absorption. And the same mechanism also facilitates supercharging alpha particles from the lithium decay to the point where they also can penetrate the nickel.

For all those people arguing about collision statistics based upon accelerator models, I would remind you that the protons in question are not fired from an external source, to be deflected and lost, but rather are internally released. The proper comparison would be photon migration from the center of the sun to the surface. 20,000 to 100,000 years.

Read about “Drunkard’s walk” and you will understand that even the LOWEST PROBABILITY collision results become guaranteed certainties after no more than SECONDS of the internal pinball-like environment. And, speaking of pinball, consider that while a proton may bounce off a nickel atom like a pinball bounces off a passive bumper, when the pinball bounces off a plasmon it is like hitting an ACTIVE bumper that kicks the ball away harder than it approached.

Anyway, this plasmon action explains why the reaction is heat-dependant. Plasmon energy levels are the product of the size of the plasmon, and the heat of the individual participating members.

Pumping up protons to the point that they can only penetrate partway through the electron cloud of target atoms will result in radiation emissions as the proton disrupts the deep shells. As temperature increases and proton energy passes the absorption threshold these emissions will cease. What this means is that there are several discrete “emission windows” as the reactor is brought up to operational temperatures. These emissions can be mitigated, or even capitalized on, by careful material selection and a strict initiation protocol.

Finally – any nickel will do. As long as it is powdered form and heat treated for embrittlement. I suggest heat under vacuum, then flush with hydrogen to quench. Repeat. This will achieve the molecular beta phase, the microfractures for porosity, elimination of contaminant gases, AND hydrogen saturation for pre-loading. Catalytic Nickel sponges are overkill. They are formed for molecular scale filtration, and we are talking about hydrogen atoms! They leak through on their own. You just want to fracture the grains by flash quenching so that under a microscope they look like dandelion puffs = maximum surface area.

In the end, this ain’t rocket science. All it takes is a little reading and a few days of staring at a blank wall while you let your brain fit it all together. The physics are simple. It is the Engineering that is tricky! Materials have limitations that do not show up in equations!!!

  • Axil Axil

    Chapman states:

    “In the end, this ain’t rocket science. All it takes is a little reading and a few days of staring at a blank wall while you let your brain fit it all together. The physics are simple. It is the Engineering that is tricky! Materials have limitations that do not show up in equations!!!”

    Ed Storms states:
    “I know of only one way to reduce chaos, which is to apply what is known about what is real. That is, use what is observed in the lab to guide the imagination. I attempted to provide this information in several books and in many review papers. Chaos reigns because people in the field ignore most of this information.”

  • georgehants

    Would be most interesting to read what all you technical guys think you could achieve, if you had the basic knowledge to produce on demand a clear COP above 1, that Mr. Rossi refuses to share.
    Do you think it is the way science should be, that you spend countless hours trying to find knowledge that is already (if genuine) known.
    Do you think your efforts could be more productively used by working to improve or advance that known knowledge?

  • John Littlemist

    Thank you Chapman. A picture would be nice. Many pictures. LENR visualization for dummies, anyone?

  • Mats002

    Thanks Chapman, your story fits my understanding of this also but do not include PdD wet system. Do think the famous FP effect is due to same machine workings?

    Furthermore, what about plasma reactors, like me356 worked with and what about nickel wire experiments?

    All the same mechanism?

    Then add Holmlids work with lasers and also other laser initiated LENR. Same mechanism again, or are we looking at several different phenomena?

    • Good questions Mats. One thing to remember is that Piantelli insists that any transition metal would work, not just nickel. Also note what Engineer48 pointed out on ECW recently, that all transition metals apparently have the capacity to dissociate H2 into atomic H or possibly H+/H- at the surface, letting the atomic or ionic H pass into the bulk of the metal.

      • gameover

        Rossi thinks his reaction happens in the pores (“microcaves”) of the metal. In “Fluid Heater” he reccommends treating the nickel powder for porosity.

        Holmlid users porous catalysts (Rossi lingo: “catalyzers”, from “catalizzatori”) for his reaction.

        Piantelli also optionally uses laser initiation.

      • Axil Axil

        Transition metals are shinny, meaning they have a negative index of refraction. These metals expel photons and electrons. Nanocavities in metal act as a leak proof bottle that confines electrons and photons. Nano holes in the metal also produce extremely high energy because of the heisenberg uncertainty principle, this high energy comes from the vacuum. When photons and electrons are tightly confined, they become very energetic.

        Hydrogen inside nanocavities become highly compressed and become metalized and superconducting. This is the start of the LENR reaction.

        • gameover


          I have not managed to find transition metals with a negative IOR, but several (not all) have an IOR of less than 1. Did you mean something different?

          • Axil Axil


            See sections titled “Plasmonic metamaterials to
            implement negative refraction
            and negative refractive index”

            I should has said

            Transition metals are shinny, meaning they have a negative index of refraction when their surfaces are prepared with nanostructures. Sorry, please forgive me.

          • gameover

            Negative index materials do not exist in nature, they have to be fabricated. What you wrote implied that the reason for shininess of transition metals is a natural negative IOR.

          • Axil Axil

            I made a mistake of forgetfulness by leasing out the nano-structures required for nanoplasmonic activation. I repeat with even more sorrow and guilt, please forgive me.

  • Hi all

    A Beautiful Theoretical model that fits the facts. It also removes my key fear that we a have bomb source 🙂

    Kind Regards walker

    • Zephir

      How the above model fits the facts, and how it removes the fear of bomb? Why the blender model cannot be applied tohot tokamak plasma or let say interior of Sun as well?

      • cashmemorz

        Zephir is highly knowledgeable about such things because he takes such things apart at a very detailed level. For us “dummies” the coarse level of the “machine” is already satisfactory towards a low level understanding. As for the “machine” not being applicable towards a “bomb” for us dummies, that works because dummies couldn’t make a bomb out of a LENR device even if we were given fully detailed blueprints. On the other hand those capable of making a bomb out of a LENR device could make a bomb out of two sticks and a pile of sulfur (so to speak). Those kinds of people are rare and therefore not to be feared as much as the possibility might at first seem. Successful researchers at this time have a hard time making the basic machine work. To make a bomb takes the understanding up another level and that will take more time. So maybe eventually, who knows. Anything is possible.

    • Engineer48

      Here Focardi reveals something that many replicators may not be doing.

      Operating the reactor below atmospheric pressure (400-800mbar). Piantelli also mentions this.


  • f sedei

    Can any chemical, fission or fusion reaction also be labeled a machine ?

    • cashmemorz

      Isn’t this why quantum “mechanics” is so named because of the machine-like activity at its heart? Its not named something like quantum-spirit aspirations or deep dimensional complex action.

      • Gerard McEk

        Hi Chapman, a very interesting view on LENR you have put down here. I hope it is as simple as you have suggested. Do you intend to engineer and test a reactor based on your theory? Did you ask Andra Rossi to comment on your theory in the JONP?

      • f sedei


  • BillH

    Just one question. Why aren’t you the one making pot-loads of money and leading the field?

  • georgehants

    Chapman, many thanks for a well thought our reply with feeling.
    I have to be annoying and say that you like many point out the errors of the past in defense of the present, it is like saying, that is the way things are so we have to except it.
    Once it becomes clear that the system is at fault then, I believe, it is for every concerned person to speak-up and demand that the system be improved, or clearly no progress is made in any area beyond the snails-pace or even backward movement we achieve in most areas.
    People are seemingly brain-washed to “accept” rather than to react.
    Not all politicians or policemen are non-caring, I think, so no roles mixed up, just a desire for the majority to be caring rather then assume that not caring is an acceptable norm.
    With a better system where would Cold Fusion be now, if Mr. Rossi felt it perfectly normal in our society to share his discoveries immediately for others to work on and was correctly rewarded by that same society that will benefit.

  • Zephir

    /* the E-Cat is neither CHEMICAL, FISSION nor FUSION. It is a MACHINE! */

    Which testable predictions or at least conclusions could we deduce from the above article? If none, why not to learn about more insightful explanations?

    • cashmemorz

      I would like to do that, but my background in physics is limited or I simply am not that smart or imaginative. See my earlier comment why Chapmans description gives a starting point to build on.

    • f sedei

      I am talking science, not common names. ( ps: I don’t mean to be rude, but I wish to be clear and exacting. Best to you.)

  • Stephen

    Thanks Chapman for this. I really liked this viualisation of the process. I missed it when you raised it in May.

    It explains very well your ideas.

    I can just imagine in a few years someone opening a Reith lecture or some equivalent on LENR with such a demonstration 😉. Just to be sure it’s probably best avoid sitting in the front row😉.

    I think you are right about the whole process being a machine. Maybe one of the first real necessarily nano scale machines with atomic and particle scale components.

    I think a big part of this machine is to enable the proton to be close to the nuclei as you suggest to allow quantum tunneling interactions. But I think this could also be enhanced if the proton has low enough energy but is also able to be close to the nucleus for as long as possible for the tunneling half life to be significant.

    Note that if we are able to shield the effect of the Coulomb barrier the nucleon capture cross-sections are much higher at Lower energies.

    I think an additional problem with fast encounters is they are more energetic and can lead to neutrons and gamma. Although it is possible that these are shielded or thermalised somehow.

    So may be part of the machine also enables slow proton encounters. At least in the first reactions. The ideas about electron screening, Hyds, Hydrinos are interesting attempts to explain this, I’m also curious if an interaction between ground state Hydrogen or H- with an excited or hollow atom with inner electrons stripped by my X-rays or something similar could lead to slow close proton nucleus encounters.

    If so perhaps there are other important components to the machine. An environment to strip inner electrons such as X-rays and an environment where atomic Hydrogen or hydrogen anions can coexist with the hollow atoms.

    Alternatively an environment that can produce the Hyds, Hydrinos, or electron screening effects mentioned elsewhere.

    I think this is NAE similar to that mentioned by Storms and others and requires particular surfaces or cracks to form with particular materials an compositions. I think that SPP production on these features maybe part of the machine that makes this environment. If SPP have very dense electon density their plasma frequency may be high and also interact in some way with the EM radiation.

    Could the line of site requirement between the Ni and Li component be due to X-Rays as well as Protons and alpha I wonder?

    I suppose kinetic reactions with other heavier nuclei would lead to neutrons

    It’s interesting the idea of the Li + p fusion component being Kinetic though.

    Probably this is all complicating things a bit though your simple visual analogy of the basic principle is just perfect to help understand LENR.

    • cashmemorz

      I like the approach of the basic machine as described because it provides a simple base on which one can build a more detailed picture bit by bit. As each new feature is fitted and seen to work, then one has a system to eventually build up the whole picture of what works. A simple approach that many can share in the understanding of which theoretical model of LENR works or doesn’t work.

    • Stephen

      It intersting though Andrea Rossi sometimes mentioned pinball in some of his joking replies to some comments. I wonder if he was infact giving a big hint.

      Often I look back and what he says suddenly makes more sense in context.

      • GiveADogABone

        In playing pinball you get sparkling lights in random places. Is that true?

  • Gerard McEk

    Yes, using a simple mechanical approach that many people can understand works fine to explain the mechanism. I would not have said it is neither Fission nor Fusion, I think it is both from a nuclear perspective.

    • GiveADogABone

      I see -1H + 58Ni-> 59Cu + 3.417 MeV as a fusion reaction of 1 atom of Hydrogen with one atom of Nickel to form one atom of Copper.

      Also I see p+Li7->Be->2He4 as a fusion reaction of Lithium and p to form Beryllium with almost immediate fission to two Helium nucleii.

  • Engineer48

    A few points:

    There is no need of Li or of LiAlH4 to obtain a Ni+H excess energy release.

    Piantelli measured the proton energy of the expelled protons using a Cloud Chamber, a magnetic field and their observed radius of curvature. If you read his patent he makes that very clear.

    Your belief that hydrogenation is simple is not correct. It is probably the hardest thing to do. Pressure and temperature are critical at the various steps to achieve successful cleaning and hydrogenation.

    I suggest you go and read Piantelli, Focardi and others paper about the plain and simple Ni+H reaction.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Yes, but from this video (7:40 min.) I get the impression that Focardi thought that Rossi was getting significantly more energy out of the E-Cat than he and Piantelli were getting out of their nickel reactor.

      • Alan DeAngelis
        • Alan DeAngelis

          I was wondering if the covalently bonded hydride could tunnel into the aluminum.

        • GiveADogABone

          That does make another point about the cavities. The metal surface of the cavities is essentially at yield tensile stress. Hydrogen migrates towards those regions and the regions with the highest tensile stress of all are the crack tips, so the metal in those regions will be the first to become saturated.

          Then what happens if you try some induction heating around the cavities? The current concentrates at the crack tips as well. High currents equals high heating. Where does LENR initiate? High tensile stress, high H2 loading, high induction heating near the surface could be a clue? Also note that when an interatomic bond in the metal fails a shock wave propagates but it does not relieve the stress because the hydrogen takes the metal back to yield.

          • Steve Savage

            Is there any way to effectively image a reaction site / particle to see how this effect might manifest?

          • GiveADogABone

            I think the answer is yes to some degree. In fact it is what started me off on researching cracks/cavities/nanopores. It is the H to H2 business that made me far more interested in sealed pores that could hold high pressure and the hydrogen embrittlement people have done loads of research because this process causes dangerous engineering failures.

            The LENR process is far from uniform and happens at isolated sites, so what makes the whole thing stable? The sites do not last very long as energy producers, so new sites must be continuously created. That process was made visible by pointing a thermal imaging camera at a flat plate electrode in a Platinum/D2O system (I think) experiment and I think it was done at somewhere like SPARWAR but I cannot find it again. The thing sparkled as new sites started and old sites died. The sparkling might have come from sealed pores just below the surface. When a reacting pore reaches the surface it probably dies almost instantly as its gases exit and D2O enters.

          • GiveADogABone

            Not as good as the movie but it conforms to me that SPARWAR is the source :-

            page 9
            3.2 Temperature distribution.
            The electrode surface temperature distribution can be monitored by infrared imaging. Using this technique, the presence of discrete reaction sites randomly distributed in time and space, Fig.3a and steep temperature gradients, Fig.3b, are observed. These features are characteristic of the co-deposition process. The steep temperature gradients, seen in the images, indicate that the heat sources are located in the immediate vicinity of the electrode/electrolyte contact surface[3,4]. The average surface temperatures are ca 6oC above that of the solution.

            it is concluded that the nuclear activities occur within the 1μm layer adjacent to the electrode/electrolyte contact surface.

            page 13
            Surface temperature image

          • GiveADogABone
          • gameover

            On a related note Edmund Storms is convinced that the reactions happen in the crack tips and that something akin to metallic hydrogen is created there.

        • Bob Greenyer

          These are the images I wanted to share during the presentation

      • Mats002

        He gave away the latter to Norman Cook and Uppsala University.

    • gameover

      I have all the papers of Piantelli and Focardi that can be found on the internet. They do not describe in detail the treatments that they did to the surface of their bars. It was one of their “secrets” and it still was not enough for substantial excess heat.


      1) Charging- step
      Among the known techniques for charging hydrogen in the active core so that the hydrogen isotopes become chemically adsorbed in the crystal lattice, there are the following:
      – electrolytic adsorption
      – immersion of the core in a gaseous environment containing hydrogen at a pre-established temperature and pressure;
      – immersion of the core in solutions of HCl, HNO3 , H2SO4;
      – immersion of the core in galvanic baths containing, for example, NH3 when the metal constituting the core is deposited on a support composed of a material such as Cu or ceramic.

  • Bob Matulis

    The energy has to be coming from somewhere.

  • Chapman

    You want the TRUTH?

    I am too old… Building reactors in the garage and blacking out the neighborhood is a young man’s pursuit – like someone only in their 50’s.

    I am past all that, and spend more time napping AFTER I mow the lawn, then it actually takes to DO the mowing.

    My background is in Semiconductor Physics, and I pass my spare time going over science journals and tracking the latest developments in the Physics world, but I am no longer an active participant in the community, and do not have the patience to deal with the frustrations.

    In short – I am just a grouchy old man with an addiction to Physics. Some guys my age build birdhouses, some get into model trains. Some wander down to the park to play chess with other old codgers. Me? I reclaim my glory days by staying current in the sciences and being the only one among my peers who plays Halo. 🙂 But I am also the only one who does not pee himself or misplace his dentures! I am convinced there is a connection…

    • MorganMck

      Thanks for your candor. Being a retiree myself, I get it. I hope you are willing to consult or even collaborate with some of the young bucks who are willing and able to put your theories into hardware/systems. Just being active here seems to have spurred a lot of thought and ideas among the troops. Thanks for your contributions.

  • Ophelia Rump

    If theory was as universally advantageous as some people wish to think, we would already have LENR in wide distribution, the fact is that theory has been of little use in bringing LENR to the world.

    Theory after the fact is little more than pseudo religious dogma. A witch-doctors dance to cover up the fact that he had no idea this was going to happen.

    If theory does not contribute to bringing enlightenment by predicting outcomes, and providing guidance then it is nothing more than cosmetics on the corpse of a failed scientific method, where individual perseverance was more valuable than dogma and method.

    There will be a hundred theories of how LENR works once it is proven. Where is the one good theory which ushers in the new age? That one good theory by definition cannot be delivered after the fact.

    Anything after the fact, is only of some potential marginal future value. Until theory crafting is useful for opening new avenues of human endeavor, it is a tool of marginal value compared to the value of rogue science.

  • Chapman

    Macaroni without cheese is useless!

    Hey, wait a minute!!!


  • Mats002

    Although I do agree in the descriptions made here so far, I miss the ‘electron density’ part.

    It is well established that electron density at the cathode gives a LENR effect. I think it is part of the story here, the compression of the electron cloud will press onto the coloumb barrier as part of the pinball bumper analogy.

    In an CRT (old fat TV:s) there are acceleration of electrons over a distance of many centimeters and vaccum is needed to make them go. LENR is not in need of vaccum because the distances for the pinball game is very tiny (nanometers to micrometers), that small world is not easy to comprehend. A lot of fources going on at the same time, very fast. It is the world of quantum (wave) mechanics.

  • Gerard McEk

    I Do not think that you can say that anhilation of a neutron is a fusion, I believe you only talk about fusion if the proton number increases. After the absorbsion of the neutron uranium splits: that’s fission. I still think we have to do with both fission and fusion as GiveADigABone says above. The decay mechanism due to the weak force may also play a role in the transmutations. I still give Widom-Larson’s theory where, very slow neutrons initiate these transmutation chains, may play a role in LENR.

  • Engineer48

    Hi Andy,

    I pointed out a few statements Chapman that were not supported by the literature. One such was his statement about how Piantelli established the 6.7MeV of the ejected proton.
    Chapman suggested Piantelli has assumed the value. I stated Piantelli had measured the value as attached.

  • Engineer48

    Hi WizKid,

    And your success to date has been?

    I’m doing research and sharing what I find. When that process has completed I’ll build.

    • wizkid

      You “research” and “share” and “aspire”. Way to go!

      Like many others, I am retired now, and really haven’t achieved anything significant in my lifetime, but there is love in my life.

      In order of importance:
      Personal relationship with God.
      Ordained minister. Preacher.
      Husband of loving wife for 42 years.
      Five grandchildren.

      Other trivia:
      Conversion of a 1969 Fiat sport coupe to electric plug in that achieved 42 mph in 1978. Designed and built an electromagnetic “dark energy” system with 1.6 COP (videotaped … circa 2010) Defeated a large restaurant franchise that tried to steal my software IP. (2011) Built ageothermal HVAC home (2002)

      I also tinker with experiments in cold fusion, because it is fun to do. I do not claim behind a pseudo name to be an “engineer” or anything other than a cranky old grandpa that tries to enjoy life and is interested in alternative energy sources.


  • Frank Acland

    Live video presentation by Bob Greenyer now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XxZkmpuJao&feature=youtu.be

    • Ciaranjay

      Wow, a door opens. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing Bob.

      • Bob Greenyer

        A pleasure – I said that if I could not get Part 2 of the video out before Aarhus, then I would do a Live hangout to make the information public.

      • Fedir Mykhaylov

        Even without the blender to me really like the micro accelerator hypothesis LENR

    • Thomas Kaminski

      Interesting presentation — I look forward to the edited video for part 2.

      This stimulates a lot of possibilities. The semiconductor industry has used wafer-thin sapphire for processing various high-speed devices and sensors. What if you could build up a microstructure of layers of materials using the same or similar processes that the semidconductor industry uses? Perhaps the H2 loading could be done with ion inplantations (h+ ions, for example). If the structure is important for the LENR reaction, this might be a way to build nano-layered devices that enhance LENR.

  • Bob Greenyer

    specifically, using 18O which via proton neutron knockout reaction results in 18F that decays via positron emission in 109minutes to 18O (gets recycled) we have it in the form of Al2 18O3.

    If there are slow neutrons – and they interact, we get 19O which decays with a much shorter half life and much higher energy photon (gamma) to stable 19F

  • Bob Greenyer

    I just wanted to get the 3 main things out before going to Aarhus

    1. That we have a shot at showing if a particular theory is correct

    2. That practically all successful tech seams to have LWFM in play – and that it has been known to be critical for many years with Celani, Iraj and Iwamura being leaders. Holmlid has recently observed Muons but attributes them to nuclear spallation – despite using the LWFM and transition metal (K and Fe in this case)

    3. My speculation that Muons, Muonium, Muonium- and muonic atoms may be at play (in a similar way to Piantelli’s H- but more accepted as a MO to make fusion)

    4. That the e-Cat X is a HV discharge through sapphire.

    5. That HV Sapphire makes muonium and potentially muonium- as shown by canadian research

    6. That that is why I suggested 3 phases may play a role in Hot Cat and my previous informed speculation HV discharge in E-Cat X and that Rossi may not know how it works

    7. That recent patent by Clean planet says effectively “heavy electron’ every few paragraphs, saying that the nano structures help it… but does not say muon

    8. That subsequent to ALL this and with a priority date before E-CatX was mentioned by Rossi, the German patent is doing a Dielectric Barrier Discharge DBD through Al2O3 (what sapphire and hotcats are made from) without giving a reason and there is no indication that they know how it may enhance the effect.

    IF the ECat-X is functioning like this, there is no indication Rossi knows that. It would allow for pulsed HV DBD through sapphire capillary – a muonic (even muonium- with the LWFM increasing production of H- and u-) based accelerated effect could result in light,back emf and direct electricity.

  • Zephir

    Hi Chapman, thank You for your support. Regarding the copy&paste, I’m also doing it often – just link the source as it’s common netiquette and you don’t have to feel like the Jack Sparrow.

  • Engineer48

    Hi Chapman,

    My focus is figuring out Focardi and Piantelli hydrogenated their Ni.

    The process to do this is very cloudy and until it is sorted there will be no reliable reactor DIYs happening.

    In that goal Hank Mills is in agreement and we are discussing and exchanging papers talking about the alpha and beta phase of Nickel Hydride creation and what may stop either phase happening.

    Alpha phase is about populating the Ni surface with dissociated H atoms or ions.

    Beta phase is about using non adsorbed H2 molecules to POUND the H whatever into the lattice. As there are many theories about what is needed to be pounded into the Ni lattice, my focus is to gather existing industry knowledge about how to achieve 1st alpha phase and then beta phase to achieve a well hydrogenated Ni with lots of H or H ions inside the lattice.

    Until we understand how to achieve the beta phase hydrogenation of Ni, as Focardi and Piantelli did, talking about things that may or may not happen later is maybe just a bit premature.

    To illustrate alpha phase is after the H2 dissociates and is adsorbed (held) by the Ni surface. Beta phase is when those Ni surface adsorbed H atoms or H ions are pounded into the lattice.

    As far as I understand the process, no beta phase H atoms or H ions inside the Ni lattice = NO LENR REACTION.

    So lets pool our brain power and work out how to achieve a high degree of beta phase in the Ni on our reactors?
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    • Chapman

      By the way Engineer,

      I think Zephir gave me a plausible mechanism for a natural shielding effect that may logically explain how hydrogen can penetrate all the way down to the point when it breaches the lowest electron shell. And you know what? It would result in the proton being ejected at somewhere around 90% or so of the total coulomb potential, which would put Piantelli’s numbers right in the right neighborhood.

      I do not know if it is a correct answer, but just as with the claim that the operation of the 1-year test plant was impossible in the allotted space, it only takes a single PLAUSIBLE solution to prove it IS POSSIBLE.

      I am taking the idea apart to see if I can find a flaw, but the bottom line is that if those numbers are real, then there is a BIG advantage to working our way back up to Platinum, and other transitional metals higher up the periodic table.

      But I know what you are going to say… Carts before horses, right? The hydrogen saturation issue needs to be solved before anyone can even THINK about alternatives and enhancements.

      So our roadmap right now is:

      1. Solve the hydrogen loading problem
      2. Exactly replicate the existing e-cat model to prove the theory and establish a duplication friendly experimenter platform.
      3. Play around tweaking individual parameters ONE AT A TIME!!!

      • Engineer48

        Hi Chapman,


        Keep it KISS baby and only play with one parameter at a time to start building a solid base to build higher from.

  • Zephir

    /* I would humbly explain that he is talking about a form of plasmon structure */

    Actually it’s polariton wave, plasmons are surface waves. The train analogy is otherwise correct – the railway cars can collide quite slowly, nevertheless due to their high number and inertia, their mutual compression at some place can get significant. The long line of atoms serves as a piston or impactor there.

    • Chapman

      Got it. Subtle point, but an important difference!

      I have to tell you, I am really intrigued with your entire premise based on low velocity forces. It is easy to fall into the trap of visualizing high speed particles when the issue of High Energy is the topic, but nature LOVES slow, but overwhelming forces. Look at how stone and concrete are shattered by moisture freezing in cracks and expanding. Seemingly solid stone can turn to gravel. This is equivalent to GiveADogABone talking about hydrogen embrittlement. Trapped hydrogen has a tendency to recombine to H2 in microcavities and cause severe fracturing and material degradation. Again, it is nature creating small, non-violent forces that have massive local energy.

      It brings to mind trying to replace bushings in an automotive suspension system. You can buy the bushings at an auto parts store and try to pound them in with a sledge hammer, but the proper way to install them is with a hydraulic press. The slow, but un-resistable force achieves what the chaotic hammering seldom does neatly…

    • Thomas Kaminski

      Thanks for the link Steve. I completely missed (or forgot) the original material. I almost missed your response here, too.

      So, now that Rossi has gone from planar disks to tubular in the ecat-X, I wonder how it will be automated? It is hard to diffuse, etc. down a thin tube.

  • ScienceFan

    Given that you seem to understand the field so well, you aught to try some experiments to see what kind of results you can achieve.