Trump and Energy Policy

Readers here will know that this site is not normally a political forum, and I don’t intend to change the policy of discouraging political arguments, but I think when politics intersects with energy issues (the focus of the site); it is on-topic for ECW, so long as we don’t stray into heated arguments (off-topic).

The world’s attention today is on the victory of Donald Trump in the US election, and I am sure like me, readers here are wondering what his presidency might mean for energy policy, particularly if commercial LENR makes his debut during his administration. Trump did mention energy during the campaign, particularly in connection with American economic growth, energy security and jobs. Here’s a page from his website on his energy policy plans: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/energy

From that list we can see that he is committed to using fossil fuels for economic and national security purposes America, and there’s no specific mention of promoting of alternatives like wind or solar — and there’s no mention of nuclear, nor anything about policies to mitigate climate change. In fact, Trump has vowed to cancel billions of dollars in ‘climate change spending’.

The Obama administration has had a strong commitment to developing alternative energy sources, and some have hoped that this would include support for LENR if it were viable.

So this makes me wonder how he might deal with LENR, if it comes along in a commercial way. One of his campaign themes has been reduce regulations which he says stifles business, and to promote free enterprise. Would he stand in the way if a world changing new energy source like the E-Cat came along that could jeopardize the US fossil fuel energy industry?

Andrea Rossi operates from the US, and I am sure will be hopeful that his work will be able to flourish here. He commented today in response to a question about the election result: “The Great People of the United States has talked, sound and clear. This means that Donald Trump is the best possible choice. I appreciated also the open mind of Hillary Clinton after her defeat.”

  • bfast

    This is an interesting question. How does a Trump America respond to LENR? I do think that a democrat America would be excited by LENR from a CO2 reduction perspective. However, a Trump America may get excited by LENR from a “new business opportunity” perspective. At lease we hope so.

    However the oil industry is going to hate and fear LENR. Will its hatred and fear cause LENR to be held back? Fortunately, Trump’s fortune has not been in oil. He doesn’t personally have deep pockets, and deep history in that industry. This bodes well for LENR over “old guard” oil.

    When LENR strikes, it will produce economic turmoil before it produces benefit. For example, people will be expecting LENR cars, and not buying gas guzzlers before the expensive r&d is done by the car industry to produce those cars. The period of time when LENR cars are promised but not yet delivered will be very hard on the automotive industry.

    Further, the energy industry, 10% of our economy, will see its doom within 20 years of LENR being released. Future plans, such as the develpment of oil refineries, pipelines, hydro dams and wind farms all have multi-decade payoffs. New developments in this area will be senseless in a world where LENR is clearly coming.

    The tremors that precede the bright LENR future will be significant. It’ll take skilled management to keep an economy afloat through them. We’ll see if Trump and the republicans are up to the job.

  • bfast

    This is an interesting question. How does a Trump America respond to LENR? I do think that a democrat America would be excited by LENR from a CO2 reduction perspective. However, a Trump America may get excited by LENR from a “new business opportunity” perspective. At lease we hope so.

    However the oil industry is going to hate and fear LENR. Will its hatred and fear cause LENR to be held back? Fortunately, Trump’s fortune has not been in oil. He doesn’t personally have deep pockets, and deep history in that industry. This bodes well for LENR over “old guard” oil.

    When LENR strikes, it will produce economic turmoil before it produces benefit. For example, people will be expecting LENR cars, and not buying gas guzzlers before the expensive r&d is done by the car industry to produce those cars. The period of time when LENR cars are promised but not yet delivered will be very hard on the automotive industry.

    Further, the energy industry, 10% of our economy, will see its doom within 20 years of LENR being released. Future plans, such as the develpment of oil refineries, pipelines, hydro dams and wind farms all have multi-decade payoffs. New developments in this area will be senseless in a world where LENR is clearly coming.

    The tremors that precede the bright LENR future will be significant. It’ll take skilled management to keep an economy afloat through them. We’ll see if Trump and the republicans are up to the job.

    • Pat

      The oil industries/countries will resist LENR/etc to the bitter end and it will be ugly and dangerous. Cars are already heading toward 100% electric. So the question in the future for cars is how/where do you recharge them. That may come as some combination of grid/local power. I think LENR/etc (like BrLP, etc) – will roll-in nicely – regarding cars. I suspect that the threat of LENR/etc to the flow of petrodollars has been behind the suppression of LENR/etc over the years, and THAT battle is only likely to become complex and dangerous – if LENR/etc pans out.

      • rionrlty

        The oil industry will not resist LENR. With their unlimited resources they will embrace it by buying it up and controlling it, then dole it out to us at a cost commensurate with the cost of other petroleum products and conducive to their bottom line. It is the only hope for a non-disruptive transition. We should not be concerned with what effect Trump will have on this new disruptive technology, but instead the effects of capitalism on it’s use. So many fail to understand that the value of something like LENR is not set by how cheap it is to produce. Regardless of whether it is American capitalism, European style socialism or otherwise, the price of energy will be set by the market place and demand and as a result will be likely offered to the end user (us and business) at a price not unlike current energy resources.

        • Omega Z

          I would bet initial cost of energy will be comparable to current cost. A necessity to pay the huge up front costs of a new technology. In time it will be much cheaper then today’s cost.

      • Omega Z

        ->”Cars are already heading toward 100% electric”

        Less then 500,000 Ev’s a year out of nearly 100 Million ICE vehicles built annually. Lithium price has increased about 400% with current demand.

        We need about 200 more Elon Musk type Mega battery plants and dozens of new lithium minds that will take decades to obtain. Far more if they intend to use these batteries for energy storage.

        • I don’t think you’re hugely wrong Omega about the stats you’ve posted above…. AND I still think EVs will dominate in less than 10 years, 15 tops!

          I would not be surprised at all if ICE passenger vehicles are barely even sold in 2025. Nobody is going to want one. It would be like buying a film camera when everyone else is raving about their digital.
          https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/65193431/ICEs%20are%20like%20Film%20Cameras%20and%20it%27s%201998.jpg

          Try spending a few hours/days here: insideevs.com and maybe you’ll start to appreciate why the whole automotive scene is changing… that is if you are honest and open minded.

          And even if Li costs go up battery costs are going to drop amazingly fast. Once we break below $100/kWh (probably before 2020) the ICE is toast. GM is already only paying $145/kWh for Chevy Bolt batteries!

          Every automaker has publicly committed to an electric car future and behind the scenes their commitment is even more serious. The ramping up of dozens of giga-large battery manufacturing plants can happen within a decade.

          AND eventually, EVERYTHING with wheels will be electrified too – not just passenger cars – including big trucks, large buses and light duty pick up trucks. The cost savings on fuel and maintenance make all of this a NO BRAINER!

          • bachcole

            Just today, driving down the street with my ICE car, minding my own business, completely independent of this discussion, I was thinking that when people discover how much better electric vehicles are, they will rush to get them. EVs run much smoother. They have 10 times fewer moving parts and thus 10 times less maintenance. the transmission is completely gone, etc. etc. etc.

  • JedRothwell

    Trump’s policies have been hard to pin down, but I expect this is a guide to his likely energy policy:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/11/what-president-trump-could-mean-for-climate-change/507098/

    • artefact

      If one assumes that he knows about LENR/BLP then it would not be bad to stop investing in renewables and to support the more flexible oil I guess.

    • Timar

      Indeed, that could be the most disastrous consequence of Trump’s election.

    • Warthog

      Doesn’t have mass appeal??? You have to be kidding. When it can totally revolutionize society and create TREMENDOUS wealth (and tremendous power).

  • JedRothwell

    Trump’s policies have been hard to pin down, but I expect this is a guide to his likely energy policy:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/11/what-president-trump-could-mean-for-climate-change/507098/

    • David Albert

      This article lists some of Trumps likely actions in relation to energy policy but is completely off base on predicting the results of those actions. The climate Armageddon prediction has less supporting science than the the myth that “cold fusion” was the result of Fleishman and Pons being both crooked and inept. Look closely at this field before getting worried about fossil fuels causing dangerous global warming. The main result of Trumps energy policy will be to free up lots of money for important projects at the expense of wasting it on a non-problem.

    • Timar

      Indeed, that could be the most disastrous consequence of Trump’s election.

  • Not long ago I mocked United-States-styled libertarians on my blog by making a silly game. I probably shouldn’t link to my blog because it would probably not be approved given all of the swear words, but you can find a link to it in my profile by clicking on my name. Anyway, the idea is that libertarian types have very simple minds, and, to a lesser extent, perhaps, other right-wingers do, as well. Nowhere is this more evident than this idea about “less regulations” that I hear right-wingers talking about all of the time – most of the time devoid of any specific context. I think that you have to be pretty stupid to adopt such an attitude as a general policy. I mean, what are we talking about? Shouldn’t we know what we’re talking about BEFORE we decide whether or not we want to be in favor of more or less regulations? Isn’t saying “less regulations” in general a lot like saying “a hammer is the best tool to use” when you have no knowledge about what the task is that you’re trying to use a hammer for? I certainly think so. When it comes to energy policy, I think that is still too broad of an issue. There are certain regulations that have been used, in the past, to harm alternative energy researchers, and I think that it would be a good idea to get rid of many of those kinds of regulations. If I was a simple-minded libertarian type, I might stop there, but I’m not, because, on the other hand, I also think that it might be a good idea to add MORE regulations to the mainstream energy producers, like the coal energy producers, which could make life more difficult for them and help the alternative energy sector. As far as what the Trumpster, himself, is going to do…well, that’s anybody’s guess. I think that the only thing that we can say about the Trumpster is that he showed that the only thing that we can be highly confident about, when it comes to him, is that we can’t be highly confident in anything.

    • Chapman

      And THERE is exactly why Frank discourages political issues here!

      Frank proposed a perfectly reasonable and totally non-partisan question regarding the effects that current political changes will have on LENR as a field and research topic, but some delicate snowflakes lack the maturity to leave political bashing aside and actually HAVE a reasonable conversation.

      Do you even realize how nasty your post is? I ask an honest question here. Do you really think that was intellectual or enlightened? Among all those derogatory terms you learned so well from your guru/cult leader/brainwasher, did the term LIBTARD ever come up?

      • Now, what would make you think that I was a liberal? Yeah, I have some liberal viewpoints, but I disagree with them on other things. Liberals are not the only ones who hate libertarians.

        Yeah, I know that my post was nasty. I was NOT trying to win converts – I was just trying to tell it like it is. If you’re dumb enough to believe that a hammer is the best tool for all (or even most) jobs, then I don’t know what to say to convince you that you are stupid and need to wise up.

        • NT

          Umm, the hammer-like tool was the first “invention’ possibly along with the use of fire for mankind? Just a thought…

          • Uhhh…okay…I’m kinda puzzled at how that information is particularly relevant to this discussion, but, whatever…

    • HS61AF91

      Getting away from the political and more to the effect of LENR on society. When something becomes free (relative) and readily available, the need, or desire, or actual requirement for regulating diminishes. (like trying to sell air, water, or dirt – is free for the taking, breathing or drinking for the most part) So too with energy, the need for regulating will decrease.

      • If all other things are equal, I would agree. However, there are many other possible reasons why regulation might be good, like moral and ethical reasons, and others.

  • During his campaign, politician Donald Trump sold out the security and affordability of the human food supply to Big Ethanol just as Hillary Clinton did for the very same reason. Trump did not feel he needed to sell out to the Chinese dominated wind and solar industries as well, which is a plus, not a negative. Like every car lover, Trump hates engine damaging low energy ethanol and lied when he said “I love ethanol.” Trump calculated the odds of his winning the White House if he rejected farm belt greed and opposed biofuel mandates, so he publicly capitulated to the biggest crime of the 21st century. That said, Trump can and often does change his mind on important issues to the surprise of everyone. I suggest that Donald Trump decide ASAP that it is crazy to make cars and trucks our competitors for food on this overpopulated planet where malnutrition is the largest cause of avoidable premature death. The right way to correct matters and politically survive the wrath of farmers is to offer biofuel farmers a one-time-only payoff. Biofuels have always been a money making scam, so pay off the scammers with a one time check while banning any biofuel made from food, grown on cropland, or that in any way competes with food production. As far as LENR goes, if any company can come up with a efficient LENR product at a reasonable price there is absolutely no doubt President Donald Trump will support it with bells on. Trump would love to have a LENR powered Bentley, just like anyone else.

    • Timar

      He sures love his Bentleys, but I think he doesn’t give a f. about the LENR powered part.

      • Trump loves technological advancement and he would also love a LENR powered jet as well. The problem is, right now LENR is all talk and no products. People who are absolutely sure LENR will save the world and people who are absolutely sure it will never work may have more information than I do, or they may be just deluded. I don’t see any reason for certainty out there. Right now LENR is in the twilight zone. It may be real or it may be a hoax. We need to keep an open mind and also encourage research in simplified hot fusion reactors and molten salt fission reactor technology. Don’t put all your energy eggs in one basket.

  • artefact

    If one assumes that he knows about LENR/BLP then it would not be bad to stop investing in renewables and to support the more flexible oil I guess.

  • Christina

    Hi,

    Over the last few months, I sent snail mail about this site to the Trump campaign.

    So it’s just a question of whether or not they took it seriously.

    Christina

    • Timar

      Call me a cynical but I am affraid they likely got lost between the thousands of snail mails his campaign probably receiced every day about Birther and Truther theories and so on…

      • Christina

        Perhaps, Timar. But I expect Mr. Trumps staff to be efficient and weed out the necessary or interesting information from the junk.

        Christina

  • Timar

    He may love to have some Bentley’s, but I’m think he doesn’t give a f. about the LENR powered part.

  • Timar

    Call me a cynical but I am affraid they likely got lost between the thousands of snail mails his campaign probably receiced every day about Birther and Truther theories and so on…

  • bachcole

    Frank said: “we can see that he is committed to using fossil fuels for economic and national security purposes”. I believe that this is a slight mistake. I believe that it should read: “we can see that he is committed to using the most economically viable energy source for economic and national security purposes, which now happens to be fossil fuels.”

    Perhaps he did say what Frank said he said, but I am sure that this is what me meant. When something more economically viable comes along, he will support it.

    (I did not vote for Trump. But I can read him.)

    • I read the same as you.
      He is pragmatic (good), protectionist (long term bad), and manipulative (he is a politician)…

      like all president he will defen US interest as he understand.
      he will bomb to defend US industry, like Obama, like clinton, like bushes, like reagan, like carter, like kennedy…

      nothing will change

      • Manuel Cruz

        He is not a politician, and he does not have any interest in serving the hidden agendas of the NWO that have tried by any means to stop him.
        The wars pushed by Obama were under Saudi orders, so that they can build a direct gas pipeline to Europe, against Russian interests. Search a bit and see how well liked is Trump by the arab princes (hint: not at all). Trump is firmly against those wars.

        I applaud he is against the climate change scam. Those billions of dollars are better spent in actual policies to save the environment, prevent droughts and so. The DNC pushed climate change hard because its a trick to siphon lots of money to their pockets. If you pay attention you find out that they say one thing and act the opposite, everyone in the climate change lobby has invested heavily in oil and carbon.

        I believe he will be pro-LERN, because he has a businessman mindset, and most importantly, he does not have to return favors to any of the energy lobbies.

        • bachcole

          He became a practising politician yesterday. He’s been in training for the past 15 months. And he talks like a politician.

          • Warthog

            Heh! Not intending to be insulting, but if you believe that the business world is devoid of politics….well…let’s just say that the correct descriptive is “naive”. In fact, I suspect that what got Lucifer tossed out of Heaven was inventing politics……..(he lost the election).

          • bachcole

            Your comment is more appropriate as a response to Manuel Cruz’s comment who I responded to since I agree with you and there is no reason from reading my comment to believe otherwise and your comment is perfect for Manuel’s comment. (:->)

  • sam

    As soon as Trump is sworn in as President I hope he says I am heading to
    Mississippi to see a true American Joseph Newman and
    his Energy machine.

    https://youtu.be/30V6fBnXtkY

    • sam

      Just seen that Mr Newman
      Sadly has passed.
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Westley_Newman

    • Jonnyb

      Anyone got any views on this? Was it just his meter wired up the wrong way or something in it?

      • sam
        • Jonnyb

          Cheers, did he ever get it with feedback working.

        • Jonnyb

          Yeh think I see how it works, every time the coil is energised the magnet aligns with the coil, and some sort of switching (Reed or mechanical) is used to de-energise the coil, maybe the back EMF helps a bit. Can see no reason why this would be anymore than an efficient (or not) DC motor, shame.

          • sam
          • Jonnyb

            All comes down to self sustain again for me. If he could feedback and keep it going with some usable output then WOW, but is there any evidence of this, should not be difficult at all the achieve with a motor. Or if it charges the batteries, as suggested, should keep running for years. Why did he ask for so much money for a new Car to test this on when any old one would prove the point. I’m not saying impossible but nowhere near enough evidence to prove, look very dubious to me, so easy to prove positive.

          • sam

            The money for a new Cadilac is an idea only a old timer Texan
            could come up with.
            The rest of your questions and suggestion all I can say
            is I wish Mr Newman where alive and you could go visit him and his machine.
            Thanks for reply.

          • sam
          • sam
          • Jonnyb

            Someone must have one of his motors, not too hard to prove or not.

          • sam

            This is Mr Newmans theory.

            Newman’s Gyroscopic Theory

            The theoretical basis of Joe Nemans’ Revolutionary Energy Machine challenges many accepted laws of physics.

            The starting point for understanding Newman’s ideas is his assertion that the fundamental building block of all matter is the gyroscopic particle, an infinitesimal unit of matter that spins like a gyroscope.

            Newman claims that the mechanics of magnetism and electricity, which have never been fully explained, can be described in terms of how gyroscopic particles react and interact.

            The idea that a single type of particle is responsible for the forces at work in the universe is an old one, yet some of the latest research in physics involves the investigation of particles.

            New and smaller particles with previously unknown properties are being discovered on a regular basis.

            Newman’s theories also depend heavily on the idea that all matter is concentrated energy, which can be released if one has a mechanism for unlocking it.

            That notion is at the heart of Einstein’s work and the equation E = mc^2, then the argument that he is trying to patent a perpetual motion machine has no merit.

            Theoretically, Newman’s machine could run indefinitely, but — according to him — not because it is CREATING energy to run itself, but because it is converting matter to energy.

            In radically oversimplified terms, this is what happens when Joe Newman throws the switch on the Revolutionary Energy Machine:

            1) An electrical current is sent through a long (miles long) coil of copper wire, magnetizing it and creating a strong magnetic field.

            2) Newman describes the mechanics of the magnetic field as “shells of force” composed of gyroscopic particles that move in a spiral pattern around the wire.
            Originally IN the wire, the particles expand outward and thus create the magnetic field.

            3) When the particles form a magnetic field, Newman says, they are traveling at the speed of light in two directions — in the spiral pattern around the wire, and in their own normal gyroscopic spin.

            This gives him the right side of the E = mc^2 equation; the particles (mass) multiplied by the speed of light squared.

            4) The machine operates in pulses; that is, the electrical current is continually turned on and off. This causes the magnetic field — in other words, the gyroscopic particles — to expand and collapse.

            5) When the trillions of gyroscopic particles that have been released collapse back into the wire, some of them collide with other gyroscopic particles.

            Because of the nature of the gyroscopic spin, the collisions cause the loose particles to bounce off at right angles; those particles emerge at one end of the wire as electrical energy.

          • Jonnyb

            Thanks Sam. Do you know what is the difference between Newman’s Motor and the Keppe Motor? As the same principles would apply to them both yet the Keppe Motor is just highly efficient not above unity. The same laws would also apply to all EMF forces in a wire so what did Newman do differently to the others and is it easy to replicate then prove. Cheers

          • sam

            Hi Jonnyb
            Found this on you tube.

            https://youtu.be/qbmKqzVeYkg

            Regards
            Sam

          • sam
      • Michael W Wolf

        No, I think newman is for real. but joes unit is as big as his garage and doesn’t seem to put out much power to size ratio. He is on to something about the whole universe and all particles are gyroscopic. He sounds a bit raw and hokey at times, but very interesting.

  • sam

    As soon as Trump is sworn in as President I hope he says I am heading to
    Mississippi to see a true American Joseph Newman and
    his Energy machine.

    https://youtu.be/30V6fBnXtkY

    • sam

      Just seen that Mr Newman
      Sadly has passed.
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Westley_Newman

    • Jonnyb

      Anyone got any views on this? Was it just his meter wired up the wrong way or something in it?

      • sam
        • Jonnyb

          Cheers, did he ever get it with feedback working.

        • Jonnyb

          Yeh think I see how it works, every time the coil is energised the magnet aligns with the coil, and some sort of switching (Reed or mechanical) is used to de-energise the coil, maybe the back EMF helps a bit. Can see no reason why this would be anymore than an efficient (or not) DC motor, shame.

          • sam
          • Jonnyb

            All comes down to self sustain again for me. If he could feedback and keep it going with some usable output then WOW, but is there any evidence of this, should not be difficult at all the achieve with a motor. Or if it charges the batteries, as suggested, should keep running for years. Why did he ask for so much money for a new Car to test this on when any old one would prove the point. I’m not saying impossible but nowhere near enough evidence to prove, look very dubious to me, so easy to prove positive.

          • sam

            The money for a new Cadilac is an idea only a old timer Texan
            could come up with.
            The rest of your questions and suggestion all I can say
            is I wish Mr Newman where alive and you could go visit him and his machine.
            Thanks for reply.

          • sam
          • sam
          • Jonnyb

            Someone must have one of his motors, not too hard to prove or not.

          • sam

            This is Mr Newmans theory.

            Newman’s Gyroscopic Theory

            The theoretical basis of Joe Nemans’ Revolutionary Energy Machine challenges many accepted laws of physics.

            The starting point for understanding Newman’s ideas is his assertion that the fundamental building block of all matter is the gyroscopic particle, an infinitesimal unit of matter that spins like a gyroscope.

            Newman claims that the mechanics of magnetism and electricity, which have never been fully explained, can be described in terms of how gyroscopic particles react and interact.

            The idea that a single type of particle is responsible for the forces at work in the universe is an old one, yet some of the latest research in physics involves the investigation of particles.

            New and smaller particles with previously unknown properties are being discovered on a regular basis.

            Newman’s theories also depend heavily on the idea that all matter is concentrated energy, which can be released if one has a mechanism for unlocking it.

            That notion is at the heart of Einstein’s work and the equation E = mc^2, then the argument that he is trying to patent a perpetual motion machine has no merit.

            Theoretically, Newman’s machine could run indefinitely, but — according to him — not because it is CREATING energy to run itself, but because it is converting matter to energy.

            In radically oversimplified terms, this is what happens when Joe Newman throws the switch on the Revolutionary Energy Machine:

            1) An electrical current is sent through a long (miles long) coil of copper wire, magnetizing it and creating a strong magnetic field.

            2) Newman describes the mechanics of the magnetic field as “shells of force” composed of gyroscopic particles that move in a spiral pattern around the wire.
            Originally IN the wire, the particles expand outward and thus create the magnetic field.

            3) When the particles form a magnetic field, Newman says, they are traveling at the speed of light in two directions — in the spiral pattern around the wire, and in their own normal gyroscopic spin.

            This gives him the right side of the E = mc^2 equation; the particles (mass) multiplied by the speed of light squared.

            4) The machine operates in pulses; that is, the electrical current is continually turned on and off. This causes the magnetic field — in other words, the gyroscopic particles — to expand and collapse.

            5) When the trillions of gyroscopic particles that have been released collapse back into the wire, some of them collide with other gyroscopic particles.

            Because of the nature of the gyroscopic spin, the collisions cause the loose particles to bounce off at right angles; those particles emerge at one end of the wire as electrical energy.

          • Jonnyb

            Thanks Sam. Do you know what is the difference between Newman’s Motor and the Keppe Motor? As the same principles would apply to them both yet the Keppe Motor is just highly efficient not above unity. The same laws would also apply to all EMF forces in a wire so what did Newman do differently to the others and is it easy to replicate then prove. Cheers

          • sam

            Hi Jonnyb
            Found this on you tube.

            https://youtu.be/qbmKqzVeYkg

            Regards
            Sam

          • sam
      • Michael W Wolf

        No, I think newman is for real. but joes unit is as big as his garage and doesn’t seem to put out much power to size ratio. He is on to something about the whole universe and all particles are gyroscopic. He sounds a bit raw and hokey at times, but very interesting.

  • Gerald

    As an outsider, Trump will use the internal supplies as quick as possible and be more independent. As it comes to Lenr and it is the next source he adepts it quickly because otherwise you walk behind. He has less bills to pay to other people so I don’t think its bad that he becomes president. Besides the problems he can cause in the world I really don’t think stopping Lern will be one of them.

  • Gerald

    As an outsider, Trump will use the internal supplies as quick as possible and be more independent. As it comes to Lenr and it is the next source he adepts it quickly because otherwise you walk behind. He has less bills to pay to other people so I don’t think its bad that he becomes president. Besides the problems he can cause in the world I really don’t think stopping Lern will be one of them.

    • Christina

      Hi Gerald,

      I don’t think Trump will cause problems. He’s successfully dealt myriad cultures to build his business.

      Trump’s stances during the primary- and general-election runs was to gain attention in order to win the primary.

      I believe–because of his children’s behavior and attitudes–he’s a civil, competent, relentless-pursuer of goals as befits the CEO of a multi-billion dollar company. That’s whom we want for POTUS.

      Christina

      P.S.: We’ll see.

      • Gerald

        I count on the facts he tries to achieve his goals. If he wants industrial jobs like producing steel back from low cost countries he will need energy quick and a lot.

        As I loved your sales speech about the potus. I said can cause not will cause, that’s when the other would have won. 😁

        Lets watch it them play for a year, as Trump is use to think in opportunity it could be good for Lern+.

        • Christina

          Yes, that’s true.

          Christina

  • Dr. Mike

    Trump has definitely demonstrated his weakness in science by some of the comments he made during the campaign. However, if shown working prototypes from either Rossi or Mills, he won’t have a preconceived notion that they should not work based on known physics. Hopefully Trump will get a strong team of scientific advisors that can direct some federal dollars into these alternative energy systems, perhaps through university research grants. The business climate for bringing forth a new technology should be excellent under the Trump administration.

    • Warthog

      I think you have it correctly. And the probable key is Newt Gingrich. Newt has had in the past a very close relationship with sci-fi author Jerry Pournelle, and they have worked together to foster high-tech approaches to solutions to USA problems. SSTO (single-stage-to-orbit) was only one.

      Google search with terms Gingrich Pournelle turns up much.

      • Dr. Mike

        I think Newt will get a position in Trump’s administration, perhaps secretary of state. It’s good to hear that Newt would be one member of the administration that would be interested in high tech approaches to solving our problems.

        • Warthog

          I’ve seen SOS mentioned, but I think he would be better as Trump’s Chief of Staff. He is enough of a generalist to interface with groups of specialists. And as COS, he would be in a much better position to “foster” LENR.

          I am sure he is still in communication with Pournelle, and also that Jerry is aware of both LENR and Rossi.

          What I would like to see happen is to settle the science of LENR as a reality once and for all by having NIST offer to test any working model device, and the necessary budget set up to do just that.

          If NIST can’t “get it right”, the country is in REAL trouble.

          • Dr. Mike

            You might be right that Newt is selected for the COS position. I certainly agree that it would be good to have NIST test prototypes. Wouldn’t it be great if rather than the US Patent Office refusing to consider “cold fusion” type patent applications some years ago, they had said we will consider your patent if you will deliver a prototype to NIST to verify it operates as disclosed in the patent application.

          • Warthog

            “Wouldn’t it be great if rather than the US Patent Office refusing to consider “cold fusion” type patent applications some years ago, they had said we will consider your patent if you will deliver a prototype to NIST to verify it operates as disclosed in the patent application.”

            Yea, verily and forsooth.

            And in fact, the original modus operandus of the early Patent Office was that inventees had to deliver a working prototype or scale model as part of their application for patent protection. The PO stopped doing that when they started running out of warehouse space to store the models.

          • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

            modus operandi

    • bfast

      “Trump has definitely demonstrated his weakness in science” I don’t think you are right about that. More accurately, Trump is skeptical of scientific consensus. These are two VERY different things. In truth, being skeptical of scientific consensus will make it easier for him to jump on the LENR bandwagon.

      IOW, the biggest reason given to reject LENR is that it is not considered possible by mainstream science. Most of us here buy into LENR despite recognizing this fact. We tend to be skeptical of scientific consensus.

      • psi2u2

        You don’t seriously think he actually understands any of the real issues involved with major scientific controversy today? He knows nothing about science, imho. And I say that while actually agreeing, accidentally, with his skepticism about AGW. He’s typically “skeptical” about things he’s ignorant about, like where the actual sitting President of the United States was born.

        • Michael W Wolf

          I think you should let him tell us what he will do before we assume we know things that may not be true. I trust an honor student from WSB could learn an issue quite quickly. I find your comment a bit arrogant and condescending.

      • Dr. Mike

        I’ll stick with my original statement that Trump has demonstrated weakness in science. That he is skeptical of scientific consensus is probably true, but the cause of his skepticism is his lack of knowledge. I think as president he will rely on those with good knowledge to help make decisions (with regard to science). (See Warthog’s comments on Newt Gingrich below.)
        I would hope that “most of us here” that buy into LENR do so as a result of studying the data and results of LENR experiments that have been published, rather than just being skeptical of scientific consensus.

    • Omega Z

      Being a businessman, If there is a proven working product, he will not stand in it’s way.
      I do not see him supporting subsidies and the University research would follow current protocol and funding processes.

  • Dr. Mike

    Trump has definitely demonstrated his weakness in science by some of the comments he made during the campaign. However, if shown working prototypes from either Rossi or Mills, he won’t have a preconceived notion that they should not work based on known physics. Hopefully Trump will get a strong team of scientific advisors that can direct some federal dollars into these alternative energy systems, perhaps through university research grants. The business climate for bringing forth a new technology should be excellent under the Trump administration.

    • bachcole

      I have a definite weakness in science, and yet I am here. It is not his scientific acumen that is an issue. It is his ability to select underlings, and hopefully the one he selects for his science advisor will be paradigm nimble. He won’t be doing squat about details; he will be selecting people. My guess is that he will select people who have been marginalized. Marginalized people are much more open minded about new and different things.

      • Dr. Mike

        I’m not sure what you mean by Trump selecting “marginalized” people, but I agreed that Trump has shown good ability to select underlings in his business ventures. It certainly would be good for the nation if Trump chooses open-minded people for all positions in his administration.

    • Warthog

      I think you have it correctly. And the probable key is Newt Gingrich. Newt has had in the past a very close relationship with sci-fi author Jerry Pournelle, and they have worked together to foster high-tech approaches to solutions to USA problems. SSTO (single-stage-to-orbit) was only one.

      Google search with terms Gingrich Pournelle turns up much.

      • Dr. Mike

        I think Newt will get a position in Trump’s administration, perhaps secretary of state. It’s good to hear that Newt would be one member of the administration that would be interested in high tech approaches to solving our problems.

        • Warthog

          I’ve seen SOS mentioned, but I think he would be better as Trump’s Chief of Staff. He is enough of a generalist to interface with groups of specialists. And as COS, he would be in a much better position to “foster” LENR.

          I am sure he is still in communication with Pournelle, and also that Jerry is aware of both LENR and Rossi.

          What I would like to see happen is to settle the science of LENR as a reality once and for all by having NIST offer to test any working model device, and the necessary budget set up to do just that.

          If NIST can’t “get it right”, the country is in REAL trouble.

          • Dr. Mike

            You might be right that Newt is selected for the COS position. I certainly agree that it would be good to have NIST test prototypes. Wouldn’t it be great if rather than the US Patent Office refusing to consider “cold fusion” type patent applications some years ago, they had said we will consider your patent if you will deliver a prototype to NIST to verify it operates as disclosed in the patent application.

          • Warthog

            “Wouldn’t it be great if rather than the US Patent Office refusing to consider “cold fusion” type patent applications some years ago, they had said we will consider your patent if you will deliver a prototype to NIST to verify it operates as disclosed in the patent application.”

            Yea, verily and forsooth.

            And in fact, the original modus operandus of the early Patent Office was that inventees had to deliver a working prototype or scale model as part of their application for patent protection. The PO stopped doing that when they started running out of warehouse space to store the models.

          • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

            modus operandi

    • Erich_Ludendorff

      The biggest concern, with any president/politician in the USA, is their perverted faith in “petrol-dollar”, which has lined the pockets of many tycoons and bureaucrats in order to keep the debt-backed fiat dollar economy “alive” and Science Inc., which has made science into a near dogmatic religion, focusing on proving grant benefactor’s hypotheses correct rather than discovery and honesty, crushing potentially miraculous technologies from being applied to the world.

      I have hope for Trump. He, being a pragmatic leader, will want to use this technology to elevate the American population, “Make America Great Again”. Then, the rest of the world would have to be competitive, resulting in their nations adopting the technology.

      • Dr. Mike

        I have to agree with you that a lot of money goes into research trying to prove a hypothesis is correct, rather than using good scientific experimentation to let the research lead to a theory and explanation of the observations. My recommendation is for everyone to keep an open mind with regard to LENR theory. The same goes for Randell Mills’ theory on how his SunCell operates. His “hydrino theory” certainly does not agree with the currently accepted theory of quantum mechanics, but if he can produce megawatts of power with watts of input power using water as a fuel, his theory merits further investigation.

      • Michael W Wolf

        I wouldn’t put my money on it. But am hopeful.

    • bfast

      “Trump has definitely demonstrated his weakness in science” I don’t think you are right about that. More accurately, Trump is skeptical of scientific consensus. These are two VERY different things. In truth, being skeptical of scientific consensus will make it easier for him to jump on the LENR bandwagon.

      IOW, the biggest reason given to reject LENR is that it is not considered possible by mainstream science. Most of us here buy into LENR despite recognizing this fact. We tend to be skeptical of scientific consensus.

      • psi2u2

        You don’t seriously think he actually understands any of the real issues involved with major scientific controversy today? He knows nothing about science, imho. And I say that while actually agreeing, accidentally, with his skepticism about AGW. He’s typically “skeptical” about things he’s ignorant about, like where the actual sitting President of the United States was born.

        • bachcole

          I do not understand any of the real issues involved with major scientific controversies today. I know very little about science. I am happily uncertain about things that I am ignorant about. I am uncertain about where the actual sitting President of the United States was born; I only know what other people have told me, on this and on oh so many other matters.

          And yet, here I am. And I am pretty certain that human beings arrived in the New World before the Clovis date of 13,000 years ago. Etc. etc. etc. for a lot of scientific controversies. EVERY scientific advance starts out as a “scientific controversy”. I’ve gotten very good at distinguishing between the genuine advance and a controversy. I do it by looking at the evidence. Trump is in no position to be fretting about details like evidence. He now has a country to run. I only hope that whoever he appoints to his various science jobs have the good sense to be comfortable with uncertainty and to love exercising his curiosity like I do. We have no way to know whether he will make such appointments or not. So I wait and watch with uncertainty.

        • Michael W Wolf

          I think you should let him tell us what he will do before we assume we know things that may not be true. I trust an honor student from WSB could learn an issue quite quickly. I find your comment a bit arrogant and condescending.

      • Dr. Mike

        I’ll stick with my original statement that Trump has demonstrated weakness in science. That he is skeptical of scientific consensus is probably true, but the cause of his skepticism is his lack of knowledge. I think as president he will rely on those with good knowledge to help make decisions (with regard to science). (See Warthog’s comments on Newt Gingrich below.)
        I would hope that “most of us here” that buy into LENR do so as a result of studying the data and results of LENR experiments that have been published, rather than just being skeptical of scientific consensus.

        • bachcole

          I am weak in science. And yet I am here.

          It doesn’t matter whether he is weak in science or not. What matters is who he appoints to his various science positions.

          • Likely to be climate-change-is-a-hoax and space types. I support expanding the space program and Trump talks about that some in his policy papers, so that could be a good thing, at least.

          • bachcole

            Please, everyone, do not think that I voted for Trump or that I think that his presidency is going to be lovely. I admit that I prefer the honesty of a wolf in wolf’s clothing to a wolf in lamb’s clothing. And if there is a Constitutional way to keep him from power, I’m all for it. I do believe in giving him a chance to show his real hand, and I believe in not fretting about what is.

      • Michael W Wolf

        Yep, Trump will be open to LENR, but when he sees it will hurt fossil fuel jobs, he may back off I am afraid.

    • Omega Z

      Being a businessman, If there is a proven working product, he will not stand in it’s way.
      I do not see him supporting subsidies and the University research would follow current protocol and funding processes.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Surely, Michael Flynn must be aware of Rossi.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37931552

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Surely, Michael Flynn must be aware of Rossi.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37931552

  • Trump is a business man.

    And LENR has the potential to make you and your country very very rich.

    So I guess from this point of view Trump and LENR could be a good team.

    • Omega Z

      Exactly,

  • Trump is a business man.

    And LENR has the potential to make you and your country very very rich.

    So I guess from this point of view Trump and LENR could be a good team.

    • invient

      I think he is a power man. LENR isn’t a powerful industry, it doesnt have mass appeal or a large number of employees dependent on it…

      Trump could care less about business, he became a business man because it gives him power. Just like he ran for president because it gave him power. Now that he has it, he must maintain it, and LENR is too small to have any influence.

      • Warthog

        Doesn’t have mass appeal??? You have to be kidding. When it can totally revolutionize society and create TREMENDOUS wealth (and tremendous power).

        • invient

          Talk to your friends, ask them if they know what LENR is… that is what I mean by mass appeal.

          It doesnt have wealth right now, it doesnt have power right now. Until it does, it wont be on trumps radar nor of any interest to him.

          • Warthog

            You don’t garner the wealth that Trump already has by being without vision. And Trump already has advisors that can and will quickly bring it to his attention.

    • Omega Z

      Exactly,

  • Gerald

    I count on the facts he tries to achieve his goals. If he wants industrial jobs like producing steel back from low cost countries he will need energy quick and a lot.

    As I loved your sales speech about the potus. I said can cause not will cause, that’s when the other would have won. 😁

    Lets watch it them play for a year, as Trump is use to think in opportunity it could be good for Lern+.

  • Jonnyb

    I thought a read somewhere on this site that he had links with I.H.?

    • US_Citizen71

      No he was involved in some land deals with Tom Darden and Cherokee in the past but those deals were before IH was created.

      • Jonnyb

        At least they know each other so if I.H. ever gets something good to demonstrate he may take them seriously? Thanks

  • Jonnyb

    I thought a read somewhere on this site that he had links with I.H.?

    • US_Citizen71

      No he was involved in some land deals with Tom Darden and Cherokee in the past but those deals were before IH was created.

      • Jonnyb

        At least they know each other so if I.H. ever gets something good to demonstrate he may take them seriously? Thanks

  • I read the same as you.
    He is pragmatic (good), protectionist (long term bad), and manipulative (he is a politician)…

    like all president he will defen US interest as he understand.
    he will bomb to defend US industry, like Obama, like clinton, like bushes, like reagan, like carter, like kennedy…

    nothing will change

    • Manuel Cruz

      He is not a politician, and he does not have any interest in serving the hidden agendas of the NWO that have tried by any means to stop him.
      The wars pushed by Obama were under Saudi orders, so that they can build a direct gas pipeline to Europe, against Russian interests. Search a bit and see how well liked is Trump by the arab princes (hint: not at all). Trump is firmly against those wars.

      I applaud he is against the climate change scam. Those billions of dollars are better spent in actual policies to save the environment, prevent droughts and so. The DNC pushed climate change hard because its a trick to siphon lots of money to their pockets. If you pay attention you find out that they say one thing and act the opposite, everyone in the climate change lobby has invested heavily in oil and carbon.

      I believe he will be pro-LERN, because he has a businessman mindset, and most importantly, he does not have to return favors to any of the energy lobbies.

  • HS61AF91

    Getting away from the political and more to the effect of LENR on society. When something becomes free (relative) and readily available, the need, or desire, or actual requirement for regulating diminishes. (like trying to sell air, water, or dirt – is free for the taking, breathing or drinking for the most part) So to with energy, the need for regulating will decrease.

    • If all other things are equal, I would agree. However, there are many other possible reasons why regulation might be good, like moral and ethical reasons, and others.

  • Now, what would make you think that I was a liberal? Yeah, I have some liberal viewpoints, but I disagree with them on other things. Liberals are not the only ones who hate libertarians.

    Yeah, I know that my post was nasty. I was NOT trying to win converts – I was just trying to tell it like it is. If you’re dumb enough to believe that a hammer is the best tool for all (or even most) jobs, then I don’t know what to say to convince you that you are stupid and need to wise up.

    • NT

      Umm, the hammer-like tool was the first “invention’ possibly along with the use of fire for mankind? Just a thought…

  • Dr. Mike

    I have to agree with you that a lot of money goes into research trying to prove a hypothesis is correct, rather than using good scientific experimentation to let the research lead to a theory and explanation of the observations. My recommendation is for everyone to keep an open mind with regard to LENR theory. The same goes for Randell Mills’ theory on how his SunCell operates. His “hydrino theory” certainly does not agree with the currently accepted theory of quantum mechanics, but if he can produce megawatts of power with watts of input power using water as a fuel, his theory merits further investigation.

  • bachcole

    This article may help clarify: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37939588

    I did not vote for Trump. Neither did I vote for Obama. I intend to give Trump the benefit of the doubt just as I gave Obama.

    All I care about, really, is a significant change in direction for both energy and health. The money being spent now with the current direction of both seems to me to be almost a complete waste. The direction of health research in particular is, for me, quite galling, as in vexing and frustrating.

    • James Thomas

      Speaking of health, if you haven’t already, I suggest researching olive-leaf extract.

  • Alain Samoun

    The president-elect has similarly threatened to act swiftly to unpick the Clean Power Plan that promotes sustainable energy sources and restricts the development of carbon-based energy. He might also revive the idea of the Keystone pipeline as a way of poking environmentalists in the eye.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/10/president-donald-trump-first-day-immigration-climate

    • Omega Z

      The pipeline is continuing as we post. Just under different project names and routes.

  • Alain Samoun

    The president-elect has similarly threatened to act swiftly to unpick the Clean Power Plan that promotes sustainable energy sources and restricts the development of carbon-based energy. He might also revive the idea of the Keystone pipeline as a way of poking environmentalists in the eye.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/10/president-donald-trump-first-day-immigration-climate

    • Omega Z

      The pipeline is continuing as we post. Just under different project names and routes.

  • rionrlty

    The oil industry will not resist LENR. With their unlimited resources they will embrace it by buying it up and controlling it, then dole it out to us at a cost commensurate with the cost of other petroleum products and conducive to their bottom line. It is the only hope for a non-disruptive transition. We should not be concerned with what effect Trump will have on this new disruptive technology, but instead the effects of capitalism on it’s use. So many fail to understand that the value of something like LENR is not set by how cheap it is to produce. Regardless of whether it is American capitalism, European style socialism or otherwise, the price of energy will be set by the market place and demand and as a result will be likely offered to the end user (us and business) at a price not unlike current energy resources.

    • Omega Z

      I would bet initial cost of energy will be comparable to current cost. A necessity to pay the huge up front costs of a new technology. In time it will be much cheaper then today’s cost.

  • Michael W Wolf

    I wouldn’t put my money on it. But am hopeful.

  • Warthog

    You don’t garner the wealth that Trump already has by being without vision. And Trump already has advisors that can and will quickly bring it to his attention.

  • realm13
  • Nixter

    I see this Republican sweep as a rare opportunity to have a somewhat scientific political experiment, it is very rare to have a single political party get control of the House, Senate, President, and Supreme court picks all at the same time. It is a perfect scenario to see exactly how the Conservative way of governing will actually function unencumbered by the usual array of opposition from the other political parties. In the past both sides have complained that their system has never been given free rein, a chance to see what is possible if their ideas could be put into full effect without restrictions. Well, now we have four years to study, watch, monitor and learn what if any value the Conservative way of governing has when allowed to proceed without any limitations. Once and for all the country and the world will have an open experiment like never before, and it will make or break the Conservative ideology for a long time to come. Four years will go by quickly and it will be a plain as the nose on our faces whether or not America has been made better, or worse. Finally the claims and political promises of the right wing will have their day in public court. This could be the beginning of a political dynasty,… or the last years of an impossible promise.

    • Omega Z

      For periods of time, the democratic party has controlled all branches. usually in 2 year spans and more rarely a 4 year span. The republican party on the otherhand hasn’t controlled all branches since the great depression.

      I’m personally not a fan of either party having a lock. As to Trump, he is niether democrat nor republican. He’s kind of a wild card. Who know’s. He may surprise everyone. He’s not beholding to either party.

      Trump is a businessman and may create jobs and build up the economy. That’s good. There can be no transition to any energy technology if the economy is broken. Transitions cost a lot of money and resources.

      • atanguy

        Just the opposite,it’s when things are broken behind repair that you need to change to another system

  • Nixter

    I see this Republican sweep as a rare opportunity to have a somewhat scientific political experiment, it is very rare to have a single political party get control of the House, Senate, President, and Supreme court picks all at the same time. It is a perfect scenario to see exactly how the Conservative way of governing will actually function unencumbered by the usual array of opposition from the other political parties. In the past both sides have complained that their system has never been given free rein, a chance to see what is possible if their ideas could be put into full effect without restrictions. Well, now we have four years to study, watch, monitor and learn what if any value the Conservative way of governing has when allowed to proceed without any limitations. Once and for all the country and the world will have an open experiment like never before, and it will make or break the Conservative ideology for a long time to come. Four years will go by quickly and it will be a plain as the nose on our faces whether or not America has been made better, or worse. Finally the claims and political promises of the right wing will have their day in public court. This could be the beginning of a political dynasty,… or the last years of an impossible promise.

    • Omega Z

      For periods of time, the democratic party has controlled all branches. usually in 2 year spans and more rarely a 4 year span. The republican party on the otherhand hasn’t controlled all branches since the great depression.

      I’m personally not a fan of either party having a lock. As to Trump, he is niether democrat nor republican. He’s kind of a wild card. Who know’s. He may surprise everyone. He’s not beholding to either party.

      Trump is a businessman and may create jobs and build up the economy. That’s good. There can be no transition to any energy technology if the economy is broken. Transitions cost a lot of money and resources.

      • atanguy

        Just the opposite,it’s when things are broken behind repair that you need to change to another system

        • Michael W Wolf

          Well if you are correct, that time has come.

    • bachcole

      Unfortunately for your experiment, the Dems still have the filibuster in the Senate. Fortunately for the Republic, the Dems still have the filibuster in the Senate.

  • Omega Z

    ->”Cars are already heading toward 100% electric”

    Less then 500,000 Ev’s a year out of nearly 100 Million ICE vehicles built annually. Lithium price has increased about 400% with current demand.

    We need about 200 more Elon Musk type Mega battery plants and dozens of new lithium minds that will take decades to obtain. Far more if they intend to use these batteries for energy storage.

    • I don’t think you’re hugely wrong Omega about the stats you’ve posted above…. AND I still think EVs will dominate in less than 10 years, 15 tops!

      I would not be surprised at all if ICE passenger vehicles are barely even sold in 2025. Nobody is going to want one. It would be like buying a film camera when everyone else is raving about their digital.
      https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/65193431/ICEs%20are%20like%20Film%20Cameras%20and%20it%27s%201998.jpg

      Try spending a few hours/days here: insideevs.com and maybe you’ll start to appreciate why the whole automotive scene is changing… that is if you are honest and open minded.

      And even if Li costs go up battery costs are going to drop amazingly fast. Once we break below $100/kWh (probably before 2020) the ICE is toast. GM is already only paying $145/kWh for Chevy Bolt batteries!

      Every automaker has publicly committed to an electric car future and behind the scenes their commitment is even more serious. The ramping up of dozens of giga-large battery manufacturing plants can happen within a decade.

      AND eventually, EVERYTHING with wheels will be electrified too – not just passenger cars – including big trucks, large buses and light duty pick up trucks. The cost savings on fuel and maintenance make all of this a NO BRAINER!

  • David L

    Trump will suppress LENR and any of these other super cheap energy technologies once they start to go mainstream because he will think that they are frauds.

    • Zephir

      Trump doesn’t think – this is his advantage over mainstream scientists. Whether he will utilize this advantage depends rather on China than on DOE.

      • bachcole

        Your hatred has clouded your judgement. I did not vote for Trump, but I do not let my anger cloud my judgement such that I would say something so degrading and foolish. Just because he doesn’t think your thoughts and has a relatively low character does not mean that he doesn’t think.

        • I think Zephir meant he doesn’t think well.

          Trump’s complete lack of any rational train of thought exhibited at many points during the campaign gives Zephir much evidence to back up his claim.

          • Warthog

            “Trump’s complete lack of any rational train of thought exhibited at many points during the campaign gives Zephir much evidence to back up his claim…

            Remember….any such data have been filtered through the very media who were actively working to elect Hillary. OF COURSE they will portray Trump this way. The fact that Trump won the election in the face of opposition from not only the Democrats, but some Republicans and virtually all the media refutes that meme (remember when Obama claimed the fact that he won the election showed he was qualified to be president).

          • The media did not control the words that came out of Trump’s own mouth. Just go back and watch the debates. The man is a word salad specialist with a superficial understanding of everything except bankruptcy, litigation and currency manipulation.

            Believe me.

          • Warthog

            Sorry, but I refused (and refuse) to watch “the debates”, which are a ridiculous farce totally operated to favor whatever Democrat happens to be running.

            I believe the evidence that I see unfolding before my own eyes. And that tells a different story from the one you are selling.

          • this french leftist blog report video that we in france have not seen, and which he says explains why people voted for trump

            https://www.les-crises.fr/pourquoi-il-a-gagne-trump-comme-on-ne-vous-la-jamais-montre/

            I did not watch them (not my business, good luck USA), I have enough concern about france.

          • I think we have a decent understanding of why people voted for Trump. It boils down to two main things in my mind:

            Withering economic desperation in much of the country — especially the MidWest. Even though the economy has improved significantly, life has gotten too hard for many Americans. It seems like the deck is stacked against them at every turn — and they’re right.

            Successful demonization of Hillary over decades by a determined and ruthless right wing media, topped off by a last minute faux “reinvestigation” to stoke the fire at just the right time.

            The irony is that those frustrated and leery voters just voted in a ‘solution’ that’s much more likely, IMO, to be worse than the problems.

          • Maybe I’m wrong but your expression resonate with what I hear, and I consider you may miss the real problem.

            I analyse that from French , UK and what I understand from US problems, as I’ve perceived through various documents and interactions (especially farmers).

            The problem is not (only) marxist economic desperation, having less money.
            I see for example a problem with government puting his nose in intimate and key domaine of people life, and ruining their life.

            take for exemple the EU regulation to reduce hoover power, or to forbid farmers usage of herbicids, or unaplicable laws and regulation that make them work more and earn less, while organic food seems pushed like Koscher food in israel…

            take for example the middleclass people having kids, where there is an increding regulation on how to raise kids, increasing penalization , increasing rules advised to parents (like on screen usages); while schools don’t educate correctly, while tax are less protective for families, and at the same time laws (that I support) focus on minorities that seems to capture all government interest, LGBT….
            People don’t understand, and are furious of
            – being poorer
            – having less freedom to make money and be independent
            – have more work
            – have less freedom to do their daylife
            – feel culpabilised by authorities and their minions (NGO, media) on their dayly acts (car, kids, food)
            – suffer more competition, while being more strictly regulated

            all of that feeling amplified by personal bias and lack of global vision and personal contact with who they blame of the troubles…

            a scissor effects…

            This is why the marxist don’t understand what is happening, because it is not only money, but regulations and morality that make people feel and be poorer.

            the 1% discourse is not totally inored, but people are not stupid and they see the rich and the well introduced elite, from Musk to Gore, benefit from the new regulations, unlike they…

            they understand that Rockfeller get richer by dumping coal, because of climate anti-coal regulation, but that their coal miner pension is damaged by those regulation…

            the new gap is not between rich and poor, the 1% and the 99%, but etween the insiders and the outsiders, the one who benefit from new regulations new morality and globalization of commerce, and the one who suffer from that by losing their job, their assets, their education value, their past investments, their tranquility, their stability…

            he coal miner of pensilvania, as his doctor, and the truck driver beside, feel fucked by Musk and Gore, forgotten in benefit of gay and weed smokers in Los Angeles (that they would support kindly if they were not so furious selfishly).

          • It’s more complicated than insiders versus outsiders.

            Take Flint, Michigan where REPUBLICAN state government authorities knowingly let poison water flow for months and decided to do nothing about it. Here more regulation and more federal government intervention was begged for.

            Insiders in America mostly means corporate entities that have managed to seize the reins of power and now shape the laws and decisions according to what they want (look up ALEC). That’s resulted in decreasing size and power of the middle class, stagnant wages, denial that a potential existential environmental problem even exists, and CRASHING OF THE ECONOMY IN 2008 because of financial adventurism of deregulated investment banks… to name a few.

            The root problem in America is not government. It’s that money has taken over. Money is making the decisions that benefit money most. People are second tier concerns in their own country.

          • Warthog

            “Right wing media”?? The only part of the media that is “right wing” is talk radio, which is miniscule in comparison to the media like print and broadcast, which has been in the tank for leftist Democrats for decades. Sheesh….they even started a TV series (“Madame Secretary”) to aggrandize Hillary.

          • bachcole

            I liked Madame Secretary and I didn’t think for a minute that the show or character aggrandized Hillary. I thought that it made Hillary look bad.

          • In franec fox news is presented as evil and many wonder why is apeared.

            I’ve seen on a business media how fox news apeared. it was simply the observation that there was nearly no conservative media, that most were liberal (à la Clinton, not à la Sanders).
            Judith Curry report similar bias in academics.

            When some entrepreneur decided to make a really conservative media, Fox News, it caught great success instantly…

            My feeling from a French point of view is that it is 20th century way to make propaganda that to try to control media like the elite did. if is backfiring greatly…

            I’m mostly French Liberal (say free market, free choice, developmentalist humanist, not the US-liberal typology), and the evolution is painful to admit.I know protectionism will be damaging the poorest, but i admit current crony capitalism with central bank giving money to the richest pretending to help the poorest, with regulation benefiting the big corps at the expense of the small entrepreneur, with human-right wars benefiting the weapon corps and not the bombed populations, are what cause that tragedy.

          • For anybody still hanging around this subthread I ran across this post that captures what I was trying to say, only says it 10x better. The poster also claims to have a lot of rural community exposure.

            http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/15/1599104/-Careening-Towards-Totality-My-Views-of-Rural-America-and-the-2016-Elections

          • Warthog

            The “article” is BS. It certainly bears no resemblance to any REAL rural area. This poseur drives through a lot of small towns, but doesn’t actually do something real, like actually talk to the people…no, he garners the “zeitgeist” from whatever restaurant or bar he stops at for lunch.

            And if you accept “dailykos” as a news source, that explains your badly informed point of view. DK is about as far left as you can get without actually being “The Nation”.

          • The article’s opinion is as valid as yours.

            Daily Kos is an exceptional news source and community for progressives. Progressives, I’m sure to your disgust, are about half the country. Deal with it.

          • Warthog

            “The article’s opinion is as valid as yours.”

            Uh, no. Mine reflects reality…his doesn’t. For all of his traveling around, he has NOT interacted with real rural people, and that by his own admission.

            But you and he manifest the standard blind spot of communists (what “progressives” really are)……..you want to force everyone else to move into YOUR bubble by whatever means necessary, including violence. When even slightly conservative ideas win elections, you go riot. Conservatives don’t. Evidence……the behavior of the “Tea Party” after Obama’s election vs the behavior of the “progressives” after Trumps election.

            Who made the “progressive” philosophy the sole “right” way to think???

          • Progressives are not communists and progressives don’t believe violence solves anything.

            If you believe those things, and apparently you do, you might want to challenge your assumptions and spend some time on Daily Kos or other bubbles not your own to see how other people really think.

          • bachcole

            You are correct, but your perspective fails to accept that progressives practice a form of information violence as in dishonesty, deception, exaggeration, name-calling, and all other forms of using information to discredit and otherwise smash people over the head information-wise.

          • What are you talking about?

          • bachcole

            Were you not defending progressivism as being different from Communism? It is only to the extent that progressivism does not condone violence. It is very akin to Menshevism as opposed to Bolshevism. And they lie like crazy.

          • Progressives are nothing like communists and don’t lie more than anybody else.

            I can’t believe some of the things being said here. Do you people even hear yourselves talking (typing)?

          • It is a complex issue.
            Having goal is one thing
            Seeing the problems is another
            proposing a solution is another
            and implementing it is yet another.

            I disagree on many diagnostics by “progressives” and on many solutions they love, even if i share most of progressive and liberal values.

            a big problem is when people fall in love with the solutions, and start to be blind to reality that dissent with their beloved policy, and worst is when they sit on their values because of their sub goals supposed to implement their values.

            for me there is a problem with crony capitalism implemented by liberal and progressives politicians, and even by pretended hard capitalist …
            there is huge pollution done by green policies,and huge wastes by pretended orthodox policies…

            people fall inlove with their theory like in cold fusion, and they start to ignore people, democracy, epistemology, experiments, to save their beliefs, and also their economic rents, budgets, and academic positions.

          • bachcole

            Nice.

          • Confirmation bias exists and money corrupts. No kidding.

            What does that have to do with progressives not being communists and not advocating or tolerating violence?

          • Warthog

            The final destination for both progressives and communists is the same. The only difference between them is the proposed route to get there. One (progressives) want to take the scenic route, the other (communists) want to take a short cut. I disagree with the destination.

            I’ve spent sufficient time on Daily Kos and Democratic Underground to know exactly what they are. But I look at who funds them and who runs them as well as the content. I do that with most bloggy opinion sources people quote to me.

          • Progressives are not anti-capitalism.

            Wherever you got or are getting the notion that progressives are just communists taking the scenic route, they have misinformed you.

          • bachcole

            Please, LENR G, tell us (tell me) what is the destination of progressives? Are you speaking from a position of being a progressive? And what is the position of progressives on ISIS and their ilk?

          • Yes, I consider myself a progressive in general, though I have strains of other philosophies on various issues.

            I don’t usually think in terms of destinations, but I suppose if I had to I would describe my desired destination as perpetually secure, prosperous, equal and abundant opportunity, a strong dedication to social justice, taking care of the most challenged among us including the elderly and disabled, aggressive overseas to protect our allies and prevent or undo moral atrocities and the strong military to accomplish such, a culture of aggressive investment in science to improve lives and cure diseases… and a dedication to the principle of all created equal where all citizens have an equal say in the society through their vote and their voice, minimizing the influence of money and foreign powers on the choices we collectively make.

            Regarding ISIS, progressives want to wipe the floor with them just like everybody else. We happen to favor the prudent, logical approaches that Obama pursued, understanding that long term solutions are better than short term feel good bombing runs. Hence the patience to support the Iraqis to uproot them, plus an intelligence surge to prevent terrorist attacks.

            So if that sounds like communism to y’all then I guess we disagree about what communism is.

          • bachcole

            Although it all sounds good, I discern a strong reliance upon government to accomplish all of the social goals. For example but not limited to, I strongly urge the government to strongly urge individuals to take responsibility for their health, AND for government to wipe out the medical monopoly that is discouraging with the force of law and influence people taking responsibility for their health. I DIY my health and I look and feel 56 and am 71, so I know that it works. You may think that the disease maintenance system in this country is wonderful, but I see it as $hit, good only for traumatic and acute conditions. And I have results to back up my perspective. This is an excellent example of the problems of big government interference. Big government isn’t just not helping, they fully adhere to and support the medical monopoly that is positively trying to discourage my efforts. If the medical monopoly had it’s way, I would look and feel 71, if not be just plain dead.

            My father died at 49 and my mother died at 90, so I am not lucky with good genes. Luck had nothing to do with it. I had diabetes and an inflamed and herniated disc 4.5 years ago and there are people here who remember that, and now I don’t. DIY health care works, and those wonderful medical doctors that most people adore claim that both symptoms are progressive (no pun intended) and incurable. So I am a living, breathing challenge to the idea that big government solutions are the way to go.

          • Well, health care is a complex topic.

            I would just say a couple of things.

            Evidence from around the world indicates that our current way of doing it costs way more and gets worse results — and most of the comparison countries have adopted a system with an even heavier government role then we have.

            Second, that as a progressive I want to live in a society that takes care of those who fall seriously ill… and I want it to be affordable… and I would like to see it decoupled from small businesses (if not all businesses) so that Americans had more economic freedom to start businesses and not have to worry about the risks on one side and any onerous paperwork and regulations on the other.

          • bachcole

            First off, with regard to health and health care, I am the teacher and you are the student. This is certainly not the case in most other departments of life, but it is in the case of health. I have real results with CURING supposedly incurable diseases, and we both have sweet and caring theories and intentions about health care.

            However, it is only my bitterness that causes me to not want to take care of those who participated in and enthusiastically supported a system that did everything to discourage and discredit me and what I was doing for the past 46 years, but now they want my sympathetic tax dollars to continue paying for their increasingly expensive “health care” until the grave relieves me of this burden. In fact, I guarantee that many of those self-same people who want my tax dollars now castigated me and my wife for being “health-nuts” and insisted upon organic and nutrient dense foods.

            The USA spends 2 or 3 times more on so-called healthcare as any other industrialized nation on Earth, and yet our longevity and infant mortality is worse than even Portugal and Greece, the worst of all the industrialized nations. We are like 25th in both categories. It is probable that you are counting the government spending only, and I am counting all spending. If those other countries have fully socialized medicine, then their governmental spending is going to be greater. Believe it or not, I like the single payer system; it would be better than the present Kafka-esque monstrosity that we currently have. In doctor’s offices, more people push paper than do any “healing”, which is really just symptom removal most of the time.

            But the problem with the single payer idea is that the ph[‘]cking reductionistic, materialistic, pharmaceutical shills (doctors) are still in power. Why should I pay twice, once for things that actually work, and once for irresponsible and malicious (towards me) people who have their lips super-glued to the rear-ends of medical doctors who look down their nose at their patients? The only way to get the doctors out of power is to separate healthcare from government completely. Let doctors compete fairly with other health care modalities. Let freedom ring.

          • I can see you’ve had some deeply personal experiences that have shaped your opinion. I respect that but it’s wrong-headed to make decisions about large systems based on anecdotal evidence. Science and data need to drive the decision.

            Alternative medicine should be given the same chance as ‘regular’ medicine but in crucible of scientific facts and data, not on the passion of one or hundreds of people.

            There are things that federal government is best positioned to do. The obvious example is the nations defense. So everybody pays, whether you agree with the way it’s spent or not, and everybody benefits. Health care may or may not be one of those things. Many countries have decided it is and they are doing better than us on this front, spending less and enjoying a healthier populace. If we collectively decide to take a similar route it means that everyone will have to pay, whether they agree with the details or not, and everyone will enjoy the benefits. A single payer system would have much going for it. The question is can we do it while preserving the American desire for freedom in choosing doctors and philosophies, to give a name to your personal experiences. And can we make it a truly level playing field where alternative medicines and techniques are evaluated fairly. I don’t know. I do know that I don’t particularly like the role that insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies play right now. We spend too much and get too little. And everything is harder than it needs to be with insurace companies acting like our adversaries just to get reimbursed or get the coverage we were promised.

          • bachcole

            “anecdotal evidence” is code for a total denial of the individual. Never mind that I can find hundreds of people who have done the same thing that I have. Never mind that unless you have that personal experience, you can easily get hoodwinked by alleged scientists and science-talkers who completely deny the theory of evolution by implication. Our personal experience is a check against the rampant trashing of the theory of evolution and clarity of thought by those who stand to profit from the unwarranted but innocent trust of the American people.

            Your fancy words mean nothing when you have accomplished exactly zip in the realm of health. You can’t know, and so I don’t blame you, that you have been hoodwinked by the reductionistic mindset of pharmaceutical companies, who regularly toss studies that do not suit their needs for profit. You simple have no clue. When it comes time for you to be in agonizing pain, I hope that you realize that your friendly doctor has no help for you other than giving you pharmaceutical on top of pharmaceuticals that harm you until you either look and search outside of their box or you die.

          • Warthog

            “Progressives are not anti-capitalism.

            Neither was Hitler. All he wanted was for government to have total control. He still called himself and his government “socialist”. Which just happens to be what progressives want. It’s about CONTROL, not about ownership. I prefer maximum individual liberty, not forced equality.

            And I “got the notion” that “progressives are just communists taking the scenic route” from fifty-five years of observing politics and world affairs.

          • Progressives don’t want government to control everything and also value individual liberty.

            Progressives believe that government can play a valuable and vital role in providing for the common good.

          • Warthog

            Fifty plus years of observation and fact-checking tell me otherwise. I’m talking about ACTIONS TAKEN and not propaganda. The actions taken have been to constantly expand government control of peoples lives.

            You sound very young and very naive.

          • Frank has requested we leave it alone. But your condescension is noted.

          • bachcole

            Yes, he does. And he can’t seem to apply the lessons learned here to other arenas of life.

          • Omega Z

            As to the religious right. There is an approximate “Parity of Religion” among the 2 parties. I have heard the democratic party referred to as the Popes party in the past because it is so heavily catholic.

            The conservatives are not antiscience. They’re just of the opinion that if you teach evolution in the schools, you should also teach creation. Scientifically, there is no more evidence for 1 then the other leaving one as valid as the other. Some in mainstream science claim what appears to be evidence of an omnipresent cosmic consciousness.

            Integration of public schools in the south was not the cause of private schools and academies. They existed prior to public schools before the commons were allowed to be educated. When public schools came into being, the private schools continued to provide a superior education to those of financial means. Tho in disproportionate numbers, you will find all races among them. This totals all of about 2.5% of students.

            ->”Television? The channel of choice in any public space, be it a doctor’s waiting room, a car-repair shop, or a restaurant, is Fox News. etc,etc”

            B.S… You will not find Fox news on these TV’s. It’s bad business and bad for business. IF you find it tuned to the News, it’s either weather related or some disaster. If it’s political news, you risk offending 50% of your clientele regardless the party. As a rule, you find these TV’s tuned to sports.

            Some clarity in regards to: Fox news is the number 1 cable news channel. Key word here is cable. It’s not available over the free airwaves. Fox news is #1 of the big 3 cable channels.(Fox, CNN, MSNBC)

            According to Nielsen data, Fox News is averaging 2.26 million total viewers a night in prime time. More then MSNBC and CNN combined in total prime time viewers. That makes it #1. Meanwhile, 22.5 million people watched one of the three commercial broadcast evening news programs on ABC, CBS or NBC. On it’s best day, the election returns, Fox had 6 million viewers of a total of 71 Million. About 8.5% of the total audience. As to Right-wing talk radio, NPR has about double the audience of Rush Limbaugh who has the largest right wing audience.

            6000 years. This B.S. isn’t worth anymore time.

            “foresterbob” claims it’s never been this politically bad before.

            Guess he slept through history class. He apparently missed that part during the 1860’s when about 1 million Americans died and vast areas of the U.S. was devastated.

            When you control over 90% of the media plus the Hollywood propaganda machine, nearly all of academia, all the minorities, and you still lose. There must be something wrong with what you’re selling.

          • Omega Z wrote: “The conservatives are not antiscience. They’re just of the opinion that if you teach evolution in the schools, you should also teach creation. Scientifically, there is no more evidence for 1 then the other leaving one as valid as the other. Some in mainstream science claim what appears to be evidence of an omnipresent cosmic consciousness.”

            wow, do you realize you wrote that there NOT more evidence for evolution than creation.

          • In the rural areas that voted heavily for Trump conservative talk radio, Fox News and churches are a way of life.

          • Warthog

            LOL. How much time have you spent in rural areas?? I was born and raised in one, and continued to visit until I moved to the west coast (Washington).

            The TV’s there get the same channels as any city. The biggest audience for talk radio is people commuting to and from jobs in the city. Fox news is no more a staple of rurality than CBS, ABC or NBC

            And unless you have forgotten, political commentary in churches is verboten……although that has never stopped the Democrats from using the pulpits in black churches for such.

          • So you agree then that since consumers have a wide range of information sources to choose from and generally select the ones that conform to their view of the world… so much so that we live in bubbles now.

            The majority of rural votes live in a bubble of Fox News, conservative talk radio and churches (people talk and community sets expectations). By choice, not because they’re forced or have no other choices.

            The right wing media, that these rural votes are drawn to, have demonized Hillary since the 80’s. Those are just the facts, man.

            Not all bubbles are equal. Bubbles that are reality-based are better bubbles.

          • Warthog

            No, I’m telling you that your hypothesis about rural people is flatly wrong. I guarantee that they live in less of a bubble than the leftist one you seem to inhabit. The huge majority of the media are leftists.

            Rural folks live in the real world FAR more than urbanites. They don’t have a choice about it, as their livelihoods depend on it. Wishful thinking doesn’t make it rain.

            And your “facts” simply aren’t.

          • It’s ALL the real world.

            So you’re denying that conservative media is popular in rural areas and that conservative media has demonized Hillary.

            Ok, then. I thought that was obvious to everyone, but your bubble is your bubble. Agree to disagree.

          • Warthog

            “So you’re denying that conservative media is popular in rural areas and that conservative media has demonized Hillary.”

            Well, the conservative media has certainly demonized Hillary, but no more than the liberal media has demonized Trump. Much less so, in fact.

            But I “am” denying that “conservative media” (which to you appears to mean Fox News) is unusually popular in rural areas. A lot of people in rural areas can’t even GET Fox News, as they depend on broadcast TV. Nor can they get CNN for the same reason. Some areas “do” get cable, and many individuals have DISH, but the coverage isn’t remotely even close to urban.

            I’ve lived in the rural south, the urban South, and now live in a rural area on the West Coast (but close enough to a major urban area (Seattle) to see what goes on), so I think my data basis for comparison is pretty good.

          • Omega Z

            When LENR G thinks of Rural populations, Probably he hears banjo’s playing, because that’s how the Hollywood liberals portray it. In the real world, Maverick and Goose in Top Gun would probably have originated from Rural areas.

          • Wrong. My wife is from a rural area. I imagine good people of all kinds, struggling to get ahead.

          • Omega Z

            ->”In the rural areas that voted heavily for Trump”

            That’s the argument originally promoted by the Lame stream media. They also claimed that college educated would overwhelmingly vote HRC.

            The facts don’t match. 49% of college grads voted Trump, 48% voted HRC and 3% other. Trump recieved the average Black and hispanic vote and above average blue collar union vote. The only demographic Trump underperformed in was white female and even then he did much better then anyone expected. The point is the rural areas didn’t make that much difference.

            What’s disturbing is you and the Lame stream media thinking the rural population doesn’t have the right to vote their conscience and look down on them. You literally bite the hand that feeds you. Not just food but all the raw and processed resources that make cities feasible.

            Rural populations are more resourceful and tend to be multi-disciplined. They understand better that the more government does for you, the more they own you. So yes, they do tend to have a different view point.

          • Michael W Wolf

            Hillary is a criminal and the press hid it. That is why we got Trump. You are right about the common man. I just hope you are wrong about Trump.

          • @LENR G everything you wrote in this thread rings true to me. Well done. You got a good head on ya…. oh and I very much like your LENR related posts too.

          • Michael W Wolf

            whew. I guess we will see. A man’s intellect really makes no difference if he has a talent for picking people to run his affairs.

          • ….aaaand he picked a white supremacist as his Chief Strategist.

          • bachcole

            Did you check out the original sources for that charge, or did you just listen to your fellow exaggerators, er I mean progressives. Really, I want to know because I would also be appalled. I just know that people exaggerate in life and especially in politics, and then other people exaggerate on top of those exaggerations, and before you know it a mole hill has become a mountain and what is reality becomes a lie.

          • One of hundreds:
            https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/04/28/breitbartcom-becoming-media-arm-alt-right

            The best case you can make for him is that he’s doesn’t really mean what he says and it’s just business. That’s splitting hairs. You are as you do in this world.

          • bachcole

            I am disappointed in you. You are quoting a left leaning site that is characterizing a right leaning person. How in the world can you expect objectivity and balance that way??? That is just exactly like my friend Jim going to his physicist brother to get the low-down on cold fusion.

          • How about the campaign manager for one of the Republican candidates?

            https://twitter.com/JWGOP/status/797918770136117248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

          • Frank Acland

            We’re getting quite a long way from discussing energy policy here. Let’s try to stay somewhat on topic.

          • bachcole

            And I will go ask a physicist what they say about cold fusion.

            I am not defending Donald Trump. I am attacking you, LENR G, for not having learned any practical epistemology here at LENR central.

          • Michael W Wolf

            Idiots don’t build 10 billion dollar companies. Or are they honor grads of the WSB. I just hope he isn’t as full of it like the rest. You know, hiding who he really is to gain power and use it against the people.

          • Zephir

            What is “good thinking” by now is the matter of discussion. By “well minded” opinion of scientists the main cause of global warming are anthropogenic emissions and the cold fusion can never work. This is an example of rational – nevertheless quite probably bad thinking. And what I already appreciate about Trump is his pro-russian tactic. He managed to fool the Russians in this matter completely. This is a good sign.

            The less good sign is Trumps anti-China politics as the USA and China were traditionally allies against Russians. It would be a big mistake to lose this partnership.

          • Russian and Chinese are allies today.
            In fact Russia is demographically and economically becomming weak, and China is becoming dominant…
            anyway the share many concerns and a working hard on the new Silk Road.

            Note that many can interpret recen US wars as trying to conain the silk road.

            recently a Chinese Neutrino experiment leader was named at Russian academy of science.

            Siberia is now flooded with chinese pioneer with Russian support.

          • Do you approve of Trump’s:
            * Praising of Putin while denigrating Obama
            * Offering approval of the hacking of the DNC and encouraging more of it
            * Denying Russian meddling in our election despite the clear conclusion of our entire intelligence apparatus
            * Having a secret back door communication channel with a Russian bank
            * Changing one and only one plank at the Republican National Convention in Russia’s favor relative to Ukraine.
            * Rhetorical weakening of NATO

            Republicans of 30 years ago would be loading their shotgun shells right now.

          • Zephir

            /* Praising of Putin while denigrating Obama, Rhetorical weakening of NATO */

            It could all be tactics – after all, if Trump wants to become a second Reagan, such an approach would be logical. Reagan did the same against Russians.. Former New York City mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani introduced Trump on Wednesday, saying that Trump will be “a totally reliable ally” to Poland. Giuliani blasted the Obama administration for the attempt to reset relations with Russia while Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton was secretary of state. He said the Russian reset compromised the security of Poland and the Czech Republic, and he accused Obama and Clinton of “double-crossing” the two countries.

            Giuliani called Russian President Vladimir Putin a “bully” and defended Trump against charges that he is too cozy with Putin, who he has praised in the past. “Will he negotiate with Putin? Yes. Did Reagan negotiate with Gorbachev? Yes,” Giuliani said. “But he’s going to negotiate with him from a position of military strength that dwarfs the Soviet U— I’m sorry, Russia.”

            http://i.imgur.com/Rg0f77e.jpg

          • Omega Z

            What you see as ->”lack of any rational train of thought” is just his style. Because of this, you already underestimate him. To whose advantage is that.

            Between 2 individuals/parties, What we’re accustomed to is personal attack’s followed by a defensive action from the target. Today with prolonged public attacks, society tends to believe any claims from the antagonist regardless of the facts.

            Defense is not Trumps way. He immediately goes on the offensive and may include statements of an outlandish nature. This accomplishes 2 things. The antagonist is immediately thrown on the defense and the outlandishness of Trumps comeback usually leaves them thinking WTF. Second, few people even remember what the antagonists original claim was about.

            His style works. He lay waste to 16 wannabe candidates in the primaries. The news media asked weekly who was going to be brave enough to take Trump head to head. Even his democratic opponent was afraid to be to direct leaving any serious attacks to surrogates who had no political ambitions of their own. This guy is Crazy. You have no idea what will come out of his mouth.

            Yep. Crazy. Crazy like a Fox.

          • Agree that his style works. His style is also unethical and repulsive, appealing to the basest human instincts.

        • Zephir

          Why do you talk about hatred? I’m sympathetic with Trump in many questions, for example anthropogenic global warming and/or immigration policy https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/4vlpxb/ocean_warming_definitive_cause_for_antarctic https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/3odplt/is_immigration_wave_organized_with_russia_article
          I’m pissed off with attitude of mainstream science instead https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/4ypbu3/science_isnt_broken_its_just_a_hell_of_a_lot
          I’d say, Your hatred has clouded rather your judgment about me instead… 😉

          • bachcole

            To say that another human being doesn’t think is very insulting and degrading.

      • atanguy

        Well, you pretty optimistic if you think that he understands how work the DOE and ,even more, China,,,

  • Warthog

    https://www.greatagain.gov/

    Link through which suggestions can be made to the incoming Trump administration.

    Caveat—-I haven’t done any checking into the legitimacy of the link. I will let more experienced minds/hands do that. I’m sure there are many here.

    • Dr. Mike

      Warthog,
      Thanks for the link. I also didn’t check the validity of the website, but thought it worth the time to put in a word for how I thought the government could assist with LENR (and the SunCell): 1) verify prototypes work as claimed, 2) publish results to bring in private investment, and 3) provide grants to university to study the physics of the devices.
      Dr. Mike

      • Warthog

        I think a big part of the failure of LENR to gain traction is that up to now, control has rested solely in the hands of the DOE, which means “run by physicists”, so that despite the fact that every committee that has examined the LENR claims has recommended that sufficient funding be made available to determine the validity of the phenomenon, that has never happened.

        Putting that determination of validity into another federal agency means that the physicists no longer are “judge, jury, and executioner”. NIST is for the most part run by chemists, and actually has better expertise than the DOE to make the necessary measurements.

        • aps recently showed their ideological base problem.
          even asking for funding to the new bpss cannot be accepted by those academic.

          https://www.yahoo.com/news/major-physicists-group-retracts-trump-friendly-press-release-215349023.html

          Judith Curry, who does not seems so Trumpist but loyalist to the constitution at best, have long ago moaned that academic were biased agains conservatives and very consanguine.

          this bias, in journalism, in academies, in GAFAs, in my opinion is source of the blindness that led to current furror

          the crazy

          read that about strategic surprises
          http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fphilippesilberzahn.com%2F2016%2F03%2F07%2Fhomogeneite-diversite-et-aveuglement-ce-que-donald-trump-nous-apprend-sur-les-sources-de-surprise-strategique%2F&sandbox=1
          by a very liberal guy, explaining how even himself is insulated from reality.

          read also that
          http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lefigaro.fr%2Fvox%2Fpolitique%2F2016%2F11%2F11%2F31001-20161111ARTFIG00209-brice-couturier-donald-trump-a-mis-une-claque-au-parti-des-medias.php&sandbox=1

          FB Huyghes is an expert in infowarware and write this post
          http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhuyghe.fr%2Factu_1423.htm&sandbox=1

          note that in that problem of elite insulated from reality we are much better than american, far ahead in digging our hole in the sand…
          I prepare for a strategic surprise in France.

          Trump defend GMO , is skeptic on immunizations, climate AGW… no coherence to an ideology except questioning consensus by liberal elites…

          a french guy interviewed trump (one of the few) and report that he was all but crazy.
          another industrial entrepreneur (the last compressor manufacturer in France) having worked as your consultant in the rust belt then in New York bet a bottle of wine for Trump and won.
          He see Trump is an instinctive animal feeling not thinking, and he expect him to finally be rational because it is business.

          He have no money in oil, in solar, in electric car, but only in space to heat, and in middleclass peripheral electors who voted for him.

          His moto, maybe stupid because prodectionism is suicide for an economy, is to do anything good for america. LENR is good for america.

          his interest is to support LENR if it is in position to be useful for his assets.

          • Warthog

            Insular blindness and groupthink respect no boundary.

            But if Trump is crazy, it is “crazy like a fox”. After all, he had the astuteness to beat ALL of the self-proclaimed intellectual leaders, Democrat, Republican, and media, not just in the USA, but pretty much globally.

            On a political discussion board I comment on, I have been telling everyone who would listen that the only comparable political phenomenon in American history was the election of Andrew Jackson to the US presidency. A lot of the same things were said of Jackson as of Trump.

            I have only had time for a quick glance at your links, but will work through them and possibly comment further at a later time.

            Oh…and Trump’s assets are probably candidates for even the “old” E-Cat….big buildings, lotsa HVAC.

          • Omega Z

            ->”a french guy interviewed trump (one of the few) and report that he was all but crazy.”

            I’ll assume that means anything but crazy…

          • probably (il est tout sauf fou)
            google translation with the full sentence translate like you 8)

            the industrialist I refer to, member of croissance+ group, pushing non protectionist solutions, explains that he experienced working from industry people from many states of the rust belt first, then in New york experience this “political animal” named Trump, appreciating his instinct…

            note that Nouriel Roubini just tweeted something like predicting Trump could govern in a “center” way after being elected the extreme way…

  • Warthog

    https://www.greatagain.gov/

    Link through which suggestions can be made to the incoming Trump administration.

    Caveat—-I haven’t done any checking into the legitimacy of the link. I will let more experienced minds/hands do that. I’m sure there are many here.

    • Dr. Mike

      Warthog,
      Thanks for the link. I also didn’t check the validity of the website, but thought it worth the time to put in a word for how I thought the government could assist with LENR (and the SunCell): 1) verify prototypes work as claimed, 2) publish results to bring in private investment, and 3) provide grants to university to study the physics of the devices.
      Dr. Mike

      • Warthog

        I think a big part of the failure of LENR to gain traction is that up to now, control has rested solely in the hands of the DOE, which means “run by physicists”, so that despite the fact that every committee that has examined the LENR claims has recommended that sufficient funding be made available to determine the validity of the phenomenon, that has never happened.

        Putting that determination of validity into another federal agency means that the physicists no longer are “judge, jury, and executioner”. NIST is for the most part run by chemists, and actually has better expertise than the DOE to make the necessary measurements.

        • aps recently showed their ideological base problem.
          even asking for funding to the new bpss cannot be accepted by those academic.

          https://www.yahoo.com/news/major-physicists-group-retracts-trump-friendly-press-release-215349023.html

          Judith Curry, who does not seems so Trumpist but loyalist to the constitution at best, have long ago moaned that academic were biased agains conservatives and very consanguine.

          this bias, in journalism, in academies, in GAFAs, in my opinion is source of the blindness that led to current furror

          the crazy

          read that about strategic surprises
          http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fphilippesilberzahn.com%2F2016%2F03%2F07%2Fhomogeneite-diversite-et-aveuglement-ce-que-donald-trump-nous-apprend-sur-les-sources-de-surprise-strategique%2F&sandbox=1
          by a very liberal guy, explaining how even himself is insulated from reality.

          read also that
          http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lefigaro.fr%2Fvox%2Fpolitique%2F2016%2F11%2F11%2F31001-20161111ARTFIG00209-brice-couturier-donald-trump-a-mis-une-claque-au-parti-des-medias.php&sandbox=1

          FB Huyghes is an expert in infowarware and write this post
          http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhuyghe.fr%2Factu_1423.htm&sandbox=1

          note that in that problem of elite insulated from reality we are much better than american, far ahead in digging our hole in the sand…
          I prepare for a strategic surprise in France.

          Trump defend GMO , is skeptic on immunizations, climate AGW… no coherence to an ideology except questioning consensus by liberal elites…

          a french guy interviewed trump (one of the few) and report that he was all but crazy.
          another industrial entrepreneur (the last compressor manufacturer in France) having worked as your consultant in the rust belt then in New York bet a bottle of wine for Trump and won.
          He see Trump is an instinctive animal feeling not thinking, and he expect him to finally be rational because it is business.

          He have no money in oil, in solar, in electric car, but only in space to heat, and in middleclass peripheral electors who voted for him.

          His moto, maybe stupid because prodectionism is suicide for an economy, is to do anything good for america. LENR is good for america.

          his interest is to support LENR if it is in position to be useful for his assets.

          • Warthog

            Insular blindness and groupthink respect no boundary.

            But if Trump is crazy, it is “crazy like a fox”. After all, he had the astuteness to beat ALL of the self-proclaimed intellectual leaders, Democrat, Republican, and media, not just in the USA, but pretty much globally.

            On a political discussion board I comment on, I have been telling everyone who would listen that the only comparable political phenomenon in American history was the election of Andrew Jackson to the US presidency. A lot of the same things were said of Jackson as of Trump.

            I have only had time for a quick glance at your links, but will work through them and possibly comment further at a later time.

            Oh…and Trump’s assets are probably candidates for even the “old” E-Cat….big buildings, lotsa HVAC.

          • Omega Z

            ->”a french guy interviewed trump (one of the few) and report that he was all but crazy.”

            I’ll assume that means anything but crazy…

          • probably (il est tout sauf fou)
            google translation with the full sentence translate like you 8)

            the industrialist I refer to, member of croissance+ group, pushing non protectionist solutions, explains that he experienced working from industry people from many states of the rust belt first, then in New york experience this “political animal” named Trump, appreciating his instinct…

            note that Nouriel Roubini just tweeted something like predicting Trump could govern in a “center” way after being elected the extreme way…

  • Warthog

    Heh! Not intending to be insulting, but if you believe that the business world is devoid of politics….well…let’s just say that the correct descriptive is “naive”. In fact, I suspect that what got Lucifer tossed out of Heaven was inventing politics……..(he lost the election).

    • bachcole

      Your comment is more appropriate as a response to Manuel Cruz’s comment who I responded to since I agree with you and there is no reason from reading my comment to believe otherwise and your comment is perfect for Manuel’s comment. (:->)

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        He is chairman of the Republican Party!! The Republican Party is not Conservative?

  • Zephir

    Trump doesn’t think – this is his advantage over mainstream scientists. Whether he will utilize this advantage depends rather on China than on DOE.

    • bachcole

      Your hatred has clouded your judgement. I did not vote for Trump, but I do not let my anger cloud my judgement such that I would say something so degrading and foolish. Just because he doesn’t think your thoughts and has a relatively low character does not mean that he doesn’t think.

      • I think Zephir meant he doesn’t think well.

        Trump’s complete lack of any rational train of thought exhibited at many points during the campaign gives Zephir much evidence to back up his claim.

        • Warthog

          “Trump’s complete lack of any rational train of thought exhibited at many points during the campaign gives Zephir much evidence to back up his claim…

          Remember….any such data have been filtered through the very media who were actively working to elect Hillary. OF COURSE they will portray Trump this way. The fact that Trump won the election in the face of opposition from not only the Democrats, but some Republicans and virtually all the media refutes that meme (remember when Obama claimed the fact that he won the election showed he was qualified to be president).

          • The media did not control the words that came out of Trump’s own mouth. Just go back and watch the debates. The man is a word salad specialist with a superficial understanding of everything except bankruptcy, litigation and currency manipulation.

            Believe me.

          • Warthog

            Sorry, but I refused (and refuse) to watch “the debates”, which are a ridiculous farce totally operated to favor whatever Democrat happens to be running.

            I believe the evidence that I see unfolding before my own eyes. And that tells a different story from the one you are selling.

          • this french leftist blog report video that we in france have not seen, and which he says explains why people voted for trump

            https://www.les-crises.fr/pourquoi-il-a-gagne-trump-comme-on-ne-vous-la-jamais-montre/

            I did not watch them (not my business, good luck USA), I have enough concern about france.

          • I think we have a decent understanding of why people voted for Trump. It boils down to two main things in my mind:

            Withering economic desperation in much of the country — especially the MidWest. Even though the economy has improved significantly, life has gotten too hard for many Americans. It seems like the deck is stacked against them at every turn — and they’re right.

            Successful demonization of Hillary over decades by a determined and ruthless right wing media, topped off by a last minute faux “reinvestigation” to stoke the fire at just the right time.

            The irony is that those frustrated and leery voters just voted in a ‘solution’ that’s much likely, IMO, to be worse than the problems.

          • Maybe I’m wrong but your expression resonate with what I hear, and I consider you may miss the real problem.

            I analyse that from French , UK and what I understand from US problems, as I’ve perceived through various documents and interactions (especially farmers).

            The problem is not (only) marxist economic desperation, having less money.
            I see for example a problem with government puting his nose in intimate and key domaine of people life, and ruining their life.

            take for exemple the EU regulation to reduce hoover power, or to forbid farmers usage of herbicids, or unaplicable laws and regulation that make them work more and earn less, while organic food seems pushed like Koscher food in israel…

            take for example the middleclass people having kids, where there is an increding regulation on how to raise kids, increasing penalization , increasing rules advised to parents (like on screen usages); while schools don’t educate correctly, while tax are less protective for families, and at the same time laws (that I support) focus on minorities that seems to capture all government interest, LGBT….
            People don’t understand, and are furious of
            – being poorer
            – having less freedom to make money and be independent
            – have more work
            – have less freedom to do their daylife
            – feel culpabilised by authorities and their minions (NGO, media) on their dayly acts (car, kids, food)
            – suffer more competition, while being more strictly regulated

            all of that feeling amplified by personal bias and lack of global vision and personal contact with who they blame of the troubles…

            a scissor effects…

            This is why the marxist don’t understand what is happening, because it is not only money, but regulations and morality that make people feel and be poorer.

            the 1% discourse is not totally inored, but people are not stupid and they see the rich and the well introduced elite, from Musk to Gore, benefit from the new regulations, unlike they…

            they understand that Rockfeller get richer by dumping coal, because of climate anti-coal regulation, but that their coal miner pension is damaged by those regulation…

            the new gap is not between rich and poor, the 1% and the 99%, but etween the insiders and the outsiders, the one who benefit from new regulations new morality and globalization of commerce, and the one who suffer from that by losing their job, their assets, their education value, their past investments, their tranquility, their stability…

            he coal miner of pensilvania, as his doctor, and the truck driver beside, feel fucked by Musk and Gore, forgotten in benefit of gay and weed smokers in Los Angeles (that they would support kindly if they were not so furious selfishly).

          • It’s more complicated than insiders versus outsiders.

            Take Flint, Michigan where REPUBLICAN state government authorities knowingly let poison water flow for months and decided to do nothing about it. Here more regulation and more federal government intervention was begged for.

            Insiders in America mostly means corporate entities that have managed to seize the reigns of power and now shape the laws and decisions according to what they want (look up ALEC). That’s resulted in decreasing size and power of the middle class, stagnant wages, denial that a potential existential environmental problem even exists, and CRASHING OF THE ECONOMY IN 2008 because of financial adventurism of deregulated investment banks… to name a few.

            The root problem in America is not government. It’s that money has taken over. Money is making the decisions that benefit money most. People are second tier concerns in their own country.

          • Warthog

            “Right wing media”?? The only part of the media that is “right wing” is talk radio, which is miniscule in comparison to the media like print and broadcast, which has been in the tank for leftist Democrats for decades. Sheesh….they even started a TV series (“Madame Secretary”) to aggrandize Hillary.

          • In franec fox news is presented as evil and many wonder why is apeared.

            I’ve seen on a business media how fox news apeared. it was simply the observation that there was nearly no conservative media, that most were liberal (à la Clinton, not à la Sanders).
            Judith Curry report similar bias in academics.

            When some entrepreneur decided to make a really conservative media, Fox News, it caught great success instantly…

            My feeling from a French point of view is that it is 20th century way to make propaganda that to try to control media like the elite did. if is backfiring greatly…

            I’m mostly French Liberal (say free market, free choice, developmentalist humanist, not the US-liberal typology), and the evolution is painful to admit.I know protectionism will be damaging the poorest, but i admit current crony capitalism with central bank giving money to the richest pretending to help the poorest, with regulation benefiting the big corps at the expense of the small entrepreneur, with human-right wars benefiting the weapon corps and not the bombed populations, are what cause that tragedy.

          • For anybody still hanging around this subthread I ran across this post that captures what I was trying to say, only says it 10x better. The poster also claims to have a lot of rural community exposure.

            http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/15/1599104/-Careening-Towards-Totality-My-Views-of-Rural-America-and-the-2016-Elections

          • Warthog

            The “article” is BS. It certainly bears no resemblance to any REAL rural area. This poseur drives through a lot of small towns, but doesn’t actually do something real, like actually talk to the people…no, he garners the “zeitgeist” from whatever restaurant or bar he stops at for lunch.

            And if you accept “dailykos” as a news source, that explains your badly informed point of view. DK is about as far left as you can get without actually being “The Nation”.

          • The article’s opinion is as valid as yours.

            Daily Kos is an exceptional news source and community for progressives. Progressives, I’m sure to your disgust, are about half the country. Deal with it.

          • Warthog

            “The article’s opinion is as valid as yours.”

            Uh, no. Mine reflects reality…his doesn’t. For all of his traveling around, he has NOT interacted with real rural people, and that by his own admission.

            But you and he manifest the standard blind spot of communists (what “progressives” really are)……..you want to force everyone else to move into YOUR bubble by whatever means necessary, including violence. When even slightly conservative ideas win elections, you go riot. Conservatives don’t. Evidence……the behavior of the “Tea Party” after Obama’s election vs the behavior of the “progressives” after Trumps election.

            Who made the “progressive” philosophy the sole “right” way to think???

          • Progressives are not communists and progressives don’t believe violence solves anything.

            If you believe those things, and apparently you do, you might want to challenge your assumptions and spend some time on Daily Kos or other bubbles not your own to see how other people really think.

          • bachcole

            You are correct, but your perspective fails to accept that progressives practice a form of information violence as in dishonesty, deception, exaggeration, name-calling, and all other forms of using information to discredit and otherwise smash people over the head information-wise.

          • What are you talking about?

          • It is a complex issue.
            Having goal is one thing
            Seeing the problems is another
            proposing a solution is another
            and implementing it is yet another.

            I disagree on many diagnostics by “progressives” and on many solutions they love, even if i share most of progressive and liberal values.

            a big problem is when people fall in love with the solutions, and start to be blind to reality that dissent with their beloved policy, and worst is when they sit on their values because of their sub goals supposed to implement their values.

            for me there is a problem with crony capitalism implemented by liberal and progressives politicians, and even by pretended hard capitalist …
            there is huge pollution done by green policies,and huge wastes by pretended orthodox policies…

            people fall inlove with their theory like in cold fusion, and they start to ignore people, democracy, epistemology, experiments, to save their beliefs, and also their economic rents, budgets, and academic positions.

          • bachcole

            Nice.

          • Confirmation bias exists and money corrupts. No kidding.

            What does that have to do with progressives not being communists and not advocating or tolerating violence?

          • Warthog

            The final destination for both progressives and communists is the same. The only difference between them is the proposed route to get there. One (progressives) want to take the scenic route, the other (communists) want to take a short cut. I disagree with the destination.

            I’ve spent sufficient time on Daily Kos and Democratic Underground to know exactly what they are. But I look at who funds them and who runs them as well as the content. I do that with most bloggy opinion sources people quote to me.

          • Progressives are not anti-capitalism.

            Wherever you got or are getting the notion that progressives are just communists taking the scenic route, they have misinformed you.

          • bachcole

            Please, LENR G, tell us (tell me) what is the destination of progressives? Are you speaking from a position of being a progressive? And what is the position of progressives on ISIS and their ilk?

          • Yes, I consider myself a progressive in general, though I have strains of other philosophies on various issues.

            I don’t usually think in terms of destinations, but I suppose if I had to I would describe my desired destination as perpetually secure, prosperous, equal and abundant opportunity, a strong dedication to social justice, taking care of the most challenged among us including the elderly and disabled, aggressive overseas to protect our allies and prevent or undo moral atrocities and the strong military to accomplish such, a culture of aggressive investment in science to improve lives and cure diseases… and a dedication to the principle of all created equal where all citizens have an equal say in the society through their vote and their voice, minimizing the influence of money and foreign powers on the choices we collectively make.

            Regarding ISIS, progressives want to wipe the floor with them just like everybody else. We happen to favor the prudent, logical approaches that Obama pursued, understanding that long term solutions are better than short term feel good bombing runs. Hence the patience to support the Iraqis to uproot them, plus an intelligence surge to prevent terrorist attacks.

            So if that sounds like communism to y’all then I guess we disagree about what communism is.

          • Warthog

            “Progressives are not anti-capitalism.

            Neither was Hitler. All he wanted was for government to have total control. He still called himself and his government “socialist”. Which just happens to be what progressives want. It’s about CONTROL, not about ownership. I prefer maximum individual liberty., not forced equality.

            And I “got the notion” that “progressives are just communists taking the scenic route” from fifty-five years of observing politics and world affairs.

          • Progressives don’t want government to control everything and also value individual liberty.

            Progressives believe that government can play a valuable and vital role in providing for the common good.

          • Warthog

            Fifty plus years of observation and fact-checking tell me otherwise. I’m talking about ACTIONS TAKEN and not propaganda. The actions taken have been to constantly expand government control of peoples lives.

            You sound very young and very naive.

          • Frank has requested we leave it alone. But your condescension is noted.

          • bachcole

            Yes, he does. And he can’t seem to apply the lessons learned here to other arenas of life.

          • Omega Z

            As to the religious right. There is an approximate “Parity of Religion” among the 2 parties. I have heard the democratic party referred to as the Popes party in the past because it is so heavily catholic.

            The conservatives are not antiscience. They’re just of the opinion that if you teach evolution in the schools, you should also teach creation. Scientifically, there is no more evidence for 1 then the other leaving one as valid as the other. Some in mainstream science claim what appears to be evidence of an omnipresent cosmic consciousness.

            Integration of public schools in the south was not the cause of private schools and academies. They existed prior to public schools before the commons were allowed to be educated. When public schools came into being, the private schools continued to provide a superior education to those of financial means. Tho in disproportionate numbers, you will find all races among them. This totals all of about 2.5% of students.

            ->”Television? The channel of choice in any public space, be it a doctor’s waiting room, a car-repair shop, or a restaurant, is Fox News. etc,etc”

            B.S… You will not find Fox news on these TV’s. It’s bad business and bad for business. IF you find it tuned to the News, it’s either weather related or some disaster. If it’s political news, you risk offending 50% of your clientele regardless the party. As a rule, you find these TV’s tuned to sports.

            Some clarity in regards to: Fox news is the number 1 cable news channel. Key word here is cable. It’s not available over the free airwaves. Fox news is #1 of the big 3 cable channels.(Fox, CNN, MSNBC)

            According to Nielsen data, Fox News is averaging 2.26 million total viewers a night in prime time. More then MSNBC and CNN combined in total prime time viewers. That makes it #1. Meanwhile, 22.5 million people watched one of the three commercial broadcast evening news programs on ABC, CBS or NBC. On it’s best day, the election returns, Fox had 6 million viewers of a total of 71 Million. About 8.5% of the total audience. As to Right-wing talk radio, NPR has about double the audience of Rush Limbaugh who has the largest right wing audience.

            6000 years. This B.S. isn’t worth anymore time.

            “foresterbob” claims it’s never been this politically bad before.

            Guess he slept through history class. He apparently missed that part during the 1860’s when about 1 million Americans died and vast areas of the U.S. was devastated.

            When you control over 90% of the media plus the Hollywood propaganda machine, nearly all of academia, all the minorities, and you still lose. There must be something wrong with what you’re selling.

          • In the rural areas that voted heavily for Trump conservative talk radio, Fox News and churches are a way of life.

          • Warthog

            LOL. How much time have you spent in rural areas?? I was born and raised in one, and continued to visit until I moved to the west coast (Washington).

            The TV’s there get the same channels as any city. The biggest audience for talk radio is people commuting to and from jobs in the city. Fox news is no more a staple of rurality than CBS, ABC or NBC

            And unless you have forgotten, political commentary in churches is verboten……although that has never stopped the Democrats from using the pulpits in black churches for such.

          • So you agree then that since consumers have a wide range of information sources to choose from and generally select the ones that conform to their view of the world… so much so that we live in bubbles now.

            The majority of rural votes live in a bubble of Fox News, conservative talk radio and churches (people talk and community sets expectations). By choice, not because they’re forced or have no other choices.

            The right wing media, that these rural votes are drawn to, have demonized Hillary since the 80’s. Those are just the facts, man.

            Not all bubbles are equal. Bubbles that are reality-based are better bubbles.

          • Warthog

            No, I’m telling you that your hypothesis about rural people is flatly wrong. I guarantee that they live in less of a bubble than the leftist one you seem to inhabit. The huge majority of the media are leftists.

            Rural folks live in the real world FAR more than urbanites. They don’t have a choice about it, as their livelihoods depend on it. Wishful thinking doesn’t make it rain.

            And your “facts” simply aren’t.

          • It’s ALL the real world.

            So you’re denying that conservative media is popular in rural areas and that conservative media has demonized Hillary.

            Ok, then. I thought that was obvious to everyone, but your bubble is your bubble. Agree to disagree.

          • Warthog

            “So you’re denying that conservative media is popular in rural areas and that conservative media has demonized Hillary.”

            Well, the conservative media has certainly demonized Hillary, but no more than the liberal media has demonized Trump. Much less so, in fact.

            But I “am” denying that “conservative media” (which to you appears to mean Fox News) is unusually popular in rural areas. A lot of people in rural areas can’t even GET Fox News, as they depend on broadcast TV. Nor can they get CNN for the same reason. Some areas “do” get cable, and many individuals have DISH, but the coverage isn’t remotely even close to urban.

            I’ve lived in the rural south, the urban South, and now live in a rural area on the West Coast (but close enough to a major urban area (Seattle) to see what goes on), so I think my data basis for comparison is pretty good.

          • Omega Z

            When LENR G thinks of Rural populations, Probably he hears banjo’s playing, because that’s how the Hollywood liberals portray it. In the real world, Maverick and Goose in Top Gun would probably have originated from Rural areas.

          • Wrong. My wife is from a rural area. I imagine good people of all kinds, struggling to get ahead.

          • TVulgaris

            Republicans have been trying to scuttle EVERY social program in the US since 1933. Their latest workaround they’ve been working on for 35 years to stave off the mobs with torches and pitchforks is privatization (of course, what they REALLY want is to privatize ALL government functions, as long as thy don’t have to pay for any of it and can deload costs to the underclasses (that would be millionaires or lesser, but they’ll start with all public services). The DoD is already essentially privatized and has been since WWII due to the buildout and entrenchment of the MIC.

          • bachcole

            “Social programs” means treating everyone the same, and/or bureaucracies that are burdensome. Being on the edge of poverty, I know that the bureaucracies are a kafka-esque migraine headache inside of a nightmare. I am not against all social programs. But it is the swing back and forth between liberals and conservatives that help keep these social programs honest and efficient. If liberals had their way all of the time, we couldn’t have computers because we all know that staring at these screens all day is bad for us.

          • by the way I see a great difference between urban and rural people.

            In urban zone , for most people I see well structurec life and career, depending much on regulation, on statuses.
            Some urban “startuper” seems more outlaw, but not so much since they jump from one deep job to another.

            the Uber drivers, and food delivery cyclist (I know one here) are more “outlaw” and in france they are often form surburban outliers population. They have a lifestyle nearer from rural as i will talk later.
            https://www.ft.com/content/bf3d0444-e129-11e5-9217-6ae3733a2cd1

            big pain of suburban population in france is that in a very regulated city there is no room for them, and they often live outlaws (illegal work, fraud) or insecude dependent (short work, which is very painful in regulated France)

            the rural people, farmer or not, have a very different lifestyle.
            first they often have more freedom, more ersponsibility.
            Less trafic jam when driving, less paid jobs but many activities that make them save or earn money.
            they can tink/DIY their houses, instead of asking to the landlord, and the the city urbanists. they can raise vegetables and animals, install pools (without trouble with the city planners), cut wood (instead of buying gas or electricity for heating)…
            they can use outdated cars…
            they can pump water.
            they can incinerate wastes.

            many of those freedoms make their effective lifestyle more comfortable than the faceplate income.

            the problem that i see is that more and more of their freedoms are endangered by urban elite inspired regulations…
            forbidding wood heating, incineration.
            regulating pesticides use in gardens and fields.
            regulating cars.
            regulating house renovation.
            regulating water usage.

            this is one point.

            another is something I learned recently, that in fact US have greatly reduced unemployment and increased average income.
            There is a lack of truck driver (by the way removing Mexican imigrants from

            First problem is that those who voted trump, if they were richer than average (>50k$) were feeling at risk of losing that higher than average status.

            Job are evolving, because of globalization, because of internet, and they feel at risk of losing their status.

            at the same time urban regulation is preventing them to exploit their alternative way of life.

            Note that I mix my understanding of French situation with what I heard of US…

            in France it is more terrible as there is high unemployment, higher regulation, …

          • Omega Z

            ->”In the rural areas that voted heavily for Trump”

            That’s the argument originally promoted by the Lame stream media. They also claimed that college educated would overwhelmingly vote HRC.

            The facts don’t match. 49% of college grads voted Trump, 48% voted HRC and 3% other. Trump recieved the average Black and hispanic vote and above average blue collar union vote. The only demographic Trump underperformed in was white female and even then he did much better then anyone expected. The point is the rural areas didn’t make that much difference.

            What’s disturbing is you and the Lame stream media thinking the rural population doesn’t have the right to vote their conscience and look down on them. You literally bite the hand that feeds you. Not just food but all the raw and processed resources that make cities feasible.

            Rural populations are more resourceful and tend to be multi-disciplined. They understand better that the more government does for you, the more they own you. So yes, they do tend to have a different view point.

        • Zephir

          What is “good thinking” by now is the matter of discussion. By “well minded” opinion of scientists the main cause of global warming are anthropogenic emissions and the cold fusion can never work. This is an example of rational – nevertheless quite probably bad thinking. And what I already appreciate about Trump is his pro-russian tactic. He managed to fool the Russians in this matter completely. This is a good sign.

          The less good sign is Trumps anti-China politics as the USA and China were traditionally allies against Russians. It’s a big mistake to lose this partnership.

          • Russian and Chinese are allies today.
            In fact Russia is demographically and economically becomming weak, and China is becoming dominant…
            anyway the share many concerns and a working hard on the new Silk Road.

            Note that many can interpret recen US wars as trying to conain the silk road.

            recently a Chinese Neutrino experiment leader was named at Russian academy of science.

            Siberia is now flooded with chinese pioneer with Russian support.

          • Do you approve of Trump’s:
            * Praising of Putin while denigrating Obama
            * Offering approval of the hacking of the DNC and encouraging more of it
            * Denying Russian meddling in our election despite the clear conclusion of our entire intelligence apparatus
            * Having a secret back door communication channel with a Russian bank
            * Changing one and only one plank at the Republican National Convention in Russia’s favor relative to Ukraine.
            * Rhetorical weakening of NATO

            Republicans of 30 years ago would be loading their shotgun shells right now.

          • Zephir

            /* Praising of Putin while denigrating Obama, Rhetorical weakening of NATO */

            It could all be tactics – after all, if Trump wants to become a second Reagan, such an approach would be logical. Reagan did the same against Russians.. Former New York City mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani introduced Trump on Wednesday, saying that Trump will be “a totally reliable ally” to Poland. Giuliani blasted the Obama administration for the attempt to reset relations with Russia while Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton was secretary of state. He said the Russian reset compromised the security of Poland and the Czech Republic, and he accused Obama and Clinton of “double-crossing” the two countries.

        • Omega Z

          What you see as ->”lack of any rational train of thought” is just his style. Because of this, you already underestimate him. To whose advantage is that.

          Between 2 individuals/parties, What we’re accustomed to is personal attack’s followed by a defensive action from the target. Today with prolonged public attacks, society tends to believe any claims from the antagonist regardless of the facts.

          Defense is not Trumps way. He immediately goes on the offensive and may include statements of an outlandish nature. This accomplishes 2 things. The antagonist is immediately thrown on the defense and the outlandishness of Trumps comeback usually leaves them thinking WTF. Second, few people even remember what the antagonists original claim was about.

          His style works. He lay waste to 16 wannabe candidates in the primaries. The news media asked weekly who was going to be brave enough to take Trump head to head. Even his democratic opponent was afraid to be to direct leaving any serious attacks to surrogates who had no political ambitions of their own. This guy is Crazy. You have no idea what will come out of his mouth.

          Yep. Crazy. Crazy like a Fox.

          • Agree that his style works. His style is also unethical and repulsive, appealing to the basest human instincts.

      • Zephir

        Why do you talk about hatred? I’m sympathetic with Trump in many questions, for example anthropogenic global warming and/or immigration policy https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/4vlpxb/ocean_warming_definitive_cause_for_antarctic https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/3odplt/is_immigration_wave_organized_with_russia_article

    • atanguy

      Well, you pretty optimistic if you think that he understands how work the DOE and ,even more, China,,,

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        The first big question for Trump to answer for himself: Is there climate change?
        It is November 11th and we have not had a freeze in Fort Collins Colorado. All my flowers are still blooming, brought in a bouquet of roses today. Historically there is a 90 percent chance that we have a freeze by October 17th. (see site below) In the last three years the mountains to our West have been on fire, and we had a “biblical flood”.

        http://davesgarden.com/guides/freeze-frost-dates/index.php?q=80526#b

        This is not happening only in Fort Collins:
        http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

        Trump has said he thinks climate change is a Chinese trick. I am not a scientist, and I realize NASA and all the scientists could be wrong, but do we really want to play poker with our planet. Would it not be prudent to take steps to mitigate what they say man is doing to our climate? I think Trump is an intelligent man, I hope he reaches the right conclusion.

        • Alain Samoun

          Agree Bernie. except “I think Trump is an intelligent man, I hope he reaches ”
          I think that he is a demagogue ready to say anything that allows him to please his audience. Now that he is in charge,he won’t know what to do as he has no plans and no principles.

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            Hi Alain, You point out the most scary thing about Trump, he has little knowledge of the issues and will have to rely on advise from people like the person he just appointed to be his “Chief Strategist”: Stephen Bannon, OMG.

        • Private Citizen

          No, not China, the globalist Club of Rome might have invented the climate scam, back in the 70’s:

          “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill….All these dangers are caused by human intervention….and thus the “real enemy, then, is humanity itself….believe humanity requires a common motivation, namely a common adversary in order to realize world government. It does not matter if this common enemy is “a real one or….one invented for the purpose.”

          “Kenny Boy” Lay of Enron also was active in promoting the scam, as a rent seeking way to maximize his natural gas holdings against coal:

          Enron: The Godfather of Kyoto

          The rest of the oligarchy wasn’t far behind:
          “The Climate Research Unit (CRU) in the UK was set up in 1971 with funding from Shell and BP as is described in the book: “The history of the University of East Anglia, Norwich; Page 285)” By Michael Sanderson. The CRU was still being funded in 2008 by Shell, BP, the Nuclear Installations Inspectorate and UK Nirex LTD (the nuclear waste people in the UK)”

          • Bernie Koppenhofer
          • they don’t tak of the record cold in russia and in many other place where they don’t look.

            this is a media war and knowing the reality is now beyond our capacity.
            even my probes are helpess.
            I see the news on record heat, cold, on frauds, on peer review manipulation, on funding by NGO or oild corps, …

            I also see hug manipulation by organic food industry agains glyphosate and GMO, I see CDC launching inquiry about frequent epidemia with organic food like the one which killed 50 people in france, like chipotle… nd no media coverage…

            don’t say me we are manipulated, even mainstream experts on inforwate like FBHuyghe show the battle everyday…

            Clinton vs putin, greepeace vs monsanto … wind turbine industry vs oil..

            this is a wat.

            BBC was caucght makin secret conference to manage the information policy of BBC with climatologist and wind industry industrialists…

            imagine if they have done that with oild companies and skeptics ?

            I am opposite to Trump but I feel the same desire to vomit than I imagine most who vomited their ballot.

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            Google “Stephen Bannon”, Trump just appointed this man to be his Chief Stategist.

          • Progressives are nothing like communists and don’t lie more than anybody else.

            I can’t believe some of the things being said here. Do you people even hear yourselves talking (typing)?

          • in fact I was told the greatest supported for climate apocalypse was a canadian oil industrialist (later jailed) who clearly felt guilty for humanity, and who pushed strongly the creation of IPCC…
            I don’t know well US characters, maybe US will know this guy.

            WWF was created by an eugenicist deeply Malthusian, but people have forgotten. Goering was a deep ecologist having improved greatly the civil right of cows in Germany.

            all is complicated, and once there is a budget the animal you created have a desire to survive.

            Today it is poor farmers in Africat who lobby western NGO to stop blocking GMO they need to reduce pesticide usage and disieases.

            of course noobdy except me and few fanatics follow those stories…
            The most funny is that all those skeptics think I’m crazy to support LENR, as most of LENR supporters think I’m crazy to support nuke, GMO, modern farming (no tile+glyphosate) and oppose organic and homeopathy.

            I am not a genius, I have probes.
            There is no conspiracy, all is public.

  • Likely to be climate-change-is-a-hoax and space types. I support expanding the space program and Trump talks about that some in his policy papers, so that could be a good thing, at least.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    The first big question for Trump to answer for himself: Is there climate change?
    It is November 11th and we have not had a freeze in Fort Collins Colorado. All my flowers are still blooming, brought in a bouquet of roses today. Historically there is a 90 percent chance that we have a freeze by October 17th. (see site below) In the last three years the mountains to our West have been on fire, and we had a “biblical flood”.

    http://davesgarden.com/guides/freeze-frost-dates/index.php?q=80526#b

    This is not happening only in Fort Collins:
    http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

    Trump has said he thinks climate change is a Chinese trick. I am not a scientist, and I realize NASA and all the scientists could be wrong, but do we really want to play poker with our planet. Would it not be prudent to take steps to mitigate what they say man is doing to our climate? I think Trump is an intelligent man, I hope he reaches the right conclusion.

    • Michael W Wolf

      The question is “Is there anthropogenic climate change?”. Like the european people realized, “we’ve been paying taxes toward global warmer for over 15 years, and now they tell us they need more money because it is worse than ever.” It is just a cash cow for cronyism now. None of it goes for new energy research. Which is why and where a lot of resistance to LENR comes from. If the Trump campaign hasn’t shown the establishment is completely corrupt and broken, nothing will. Left wing establishment is destroying the world and preventing any real change. I just hope Trump isn’t the left wing radical I thought he may have been. But something has to break this hold they have on the world. And give the keys to some honest adults. I am not talking about left wing ideologues, I am talking about the ones using left wing issues to gain complete control of the world.

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        Michael, you said, “I just hope Trump isn’t the left wing radical I thought he may have been. But something has to break this hold they have on the world.” Not sure where you are getting Trump is a Left wing radical, he just hired a very conservative Chief Strategist, Steven Bannon. The ball is in the court of Trump and the Republicans who hold both houses of Congress, lets see how “left wing radical” they are.

        • Michael W Wolf

          Well I never kept track of Trump or his show. I just have seen him in photos with a lot of people I know to be left wing radicals. But I wouldn’t call rinso very conservative. He was for comprehensive immigration reform, which really means Amnesty. He is one of the reason’s I went for Trump in the primary. And then Trump goes and make him COS. I am a little worried.

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            He is chairman of the Republican Party!! The Republican Party is not Conservative?

    • Natural phenomena are always either heating up or cooling down our planet. Natural drivers of earth temperatures include solar output levels, the orbit of the earth around the sun, cycles of deep ocean currents, and cycles of the moon’s gravitational pull on ocean water. When temperatures rise, more carbon dioxide is released from our oceans because cold water absorbs more carbon dioxide than warm water. A time lag of about 800 years exists between the time the earth gets warmer and the time the oceans start unleashing large amounts of CO2. If carbon dioxide made the earth significantly hotter, we would never get out of a heating cycle because the warmer the earth gets, the more CO2 is released. If climate change theology was fact instead of fiction, all life on earth would have been destroyed by heat millions of years ago.

      Politicians have paid NOAA, NASA, and the IPCC to find evidence for the predetermined conclusion that carbon dioxide, which represents less than .04% of our atmosphere, controls earth temperatures more than any other factor. The United States has experienced a subnormal amount of hurricanes for many years. Now that the hurricane dry spell has been broken, politicians are absurdly blaming global warming. One news anchor suggested that the Paris climate agreement would end hurricanes. Why are silly people shocked and alarmed when it gets hot in the summer, cold in the winter, that we have hurricanes during hurricane season, and tornadoes during tornado season? It’s called “weather”, not “climate change”.

      When government fires scientists who state that dangerous man-made climate change has not occurred, while financially rewarding scientists who claim that the earth is burning up, then real science has been replaced by junk science, politics, and hysteria.

    • Alain Samoun

      Agree Bernie. except “I think Trump is an intelligent man, I hope he reaches ”
      I think that he is a demagogue ready to say anything that allows him to please his audience. Now that he is in charge,he won’t know what to do as he has no plans and no principles.

      • bachcole

        He is certainly a demagogue and a megalomaniac, but he is not mincing his words to please anyone. His honesty is most of his appeal. People are sick and tired of politically correct speech. Hillary is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Trump is a wolf in wolf’s clothing. Gary Johnson is an effective administrator (as evidenced by his governorship in New Mexico) in a clown’s clothing. I did not vote for Trump, but I do appreciate him letting me know early on that I shouldn’t vote for him.

        • Bernie Koppenhofer

          An honest demagogue and a megalomaniac? God has decided to produce the ultimate Reality Show (The Appentice)

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        Hi Alain, You point out the most scary thing about Trump, he has little knowledge of the issues and will have to rely on advise from people like the person he just appointed to be his “Chief Strategist”: Stephen Bannon, OMG.

    • Private Citizen

      No, not China, the globalist Club of Rome might have invented the climate scam, back in the 70’s:

      “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill….All these dangers are caused by human intervention….and thus the “real enemy, then, is humanity itself….believe humanity requires a common motivation, namely a common adversary in order to realize world government. It does not matter if this common enemy is “a real one or….one invented for the purpose.”

      “Kenny Boy” Lay of Enron also was active in promoting the scam, as a rent seeking way to maximize his natural gas holdings against coal:

      Enron: The Godfather of Kyoto

      The rest of the oligarchy wasn’t far behind:
      “The Climate Research Unit (CRU) in the UK was set up in 1971 with funding from Shell and BP as is described in the book: “The history of the University of East Anglia, Norwich; Page 285)” By Michael Sanderson. The CRU was still being funded in 2008 by Shell, BP, the Nuclear Installations Inspectorate and UK Nirex LTD (the nuclear waste people in the UK)”

      • Bernie Koppenhofer
        • they don’t tak of the record cold in russia and in many other place where they don’t look.

          this is a media war and knowing the reality is now beyond our capacity.
          even my probes are helpess.
          I see the news on record heat, cold, on frauds, on peer review manipulation, on funding by NGO or oild corps, …

          I also see hug manipulation by organic food industry agains glyphosate and GMO, I see CDC launching inquiry about frequent epidemia with organic food like the one which killed 50 people in france, like chipotle… nd no media coverage…

          don’t say me we are manipulated, even mainstream experts on inforwate like FBHuyghe show the battle everyday…

          Clinton vs putin, greepeace vs monsanto … wind turbine industry vs oil..

          this is a wat.

          BBC was caucght makin secret conference to manage the information policy of BBC with climatologist and wind industry industrialists…

          imagine if they have done that with oild companies and skeptics ?

          I am opposite to Trump but I feel the same desire to vomit than I imagine most who vomited their ballot.

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            Google “Stephen Bannon”, Trump just appointed this man to be his Chief Stategist.

      • in fact I was told the greatest supported for climate apocalypse was a canadian oil industrialist (later jailed) who clearly felt guilty for humanity, and who pushed strongly the creation of IPCC…
        I don’t know well US characters, maybe US will know this guy.

        WWF was created by an eugenicist deeply Malthusian, but people have forgotten. Goering was a deep ecologist having improved greatly the civil right of cows in Germany.

        all is complicated, and once there is a budget the animal you created have a desire to survive.

        Today it is poor farmers in Africat who lobby western NGO to stop blocking GMO they need to reduce pesticide usage and disieases.

        of course noobdy except me and few fanatics follow those stories…
        The most funny is that all those skeptics think I’m crazy to support LENR, as most of LENR supporters think I’m crazy to support nuke, GMO, modern farming (no tile+glyphosate) and oppose organic and homeopathy.

        I am not a genius, I have probes.
        There is no conspiracy, all is public.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Just what do you think you’re doing Donald?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgkyrW2NiwM

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Just what do you think you’re doing Donald?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgkyrW2NiwM

  • Wholewitt

    When every word out of Trump’s mouth was a lie and often contradictory then you can’t really know what he is for other than fame. It is the Republican Congress (the one that has tried to destroy anything Obama wanted to do) that will call most of the shots and they are simply for whoever funds their campaigns. New energy sources may make it but with no government investment unless they can burn coal.

    • TVulgaris

      Republicans have been trying to scuttle EVERY social program in the US since 1933. Their latest workaround they’ve been working on for 35 years to stave off the mobs with torches and pitchforks is privatization (of course, what they REALLY want is to privatize ALL government functions, as long as thy don’t have to pay for any of it and can deload costs to the underclasses (that would be millionaires or lesser, but they’ll start with all public services). The DoD is already essentially privatized and has been since WWII due to the buildout and entrenchment of the MIC.

      • bachcole

        “Social programs” means treating everyone the same, and/or bureaucracies that are burdensome. Being on the edge of poverty, I know that the bureaucracies are a kafka-esque migraine headache inside of a nightmare. I am not against all social programs. But it is the swing back and forth between liberals and conservatives that help keep these social programs honest and efficient. If liberals had their way all of the time, we couldn’t have computers because we all know that staring at these screens all day is bad for us.

        • by the way I see a great difference between urban and rural people.

          In urban zone , for most people I see well structurec life and career, depending much on regulation, on statuses.
          Some urban “startuper” seems more outlaw, but not so much since they jump from one deep job to another.

          the Uber drivers, and food delivery cyclist (I know one here) are more “outlaw” and in france they are often form surburban outliers population. They have a lifestyle nearer from rural as i will talk later.
          https://www.ft.com/content/bf3d0444-e129-11e5-9217-6ae3733a2cd1

          big pain of suburban population in france is that in a very regulated city there is no room for them, and they often live outlaws (illegal work, fraud) or insecude dependent (short work, which is very painful in regulated France)

          the rural people, farmer or not, have a very different lifestyle.
          first they often have more freedom, more ersponsibility.
          Less trafic jam when driving, less paid jobs but many activities that make them save or earn money.
          they can tink/DIY their houses, instead of asking to the landlord, and the the city urbanists. they can raise vegetables and animals, install pools (without trouble with the city planners), cut wood (instead of buying gas or electricity for heating)…
          they can use outdated cars…
          they can pump water.
          they can incinerate wastes.

          many of those freedoms make their effective lifestyle more comfortable than the faceplate income.

          the problem that i see is that more and more of their freedoms are endangered by urban elite inspired regulations…
          forbidding wood heating, incineration.
          regulating pesticides use in gardens and fields.
          regulating cars.
          regulating house renovation.
          regulating water usage.

          this is one point.

          another is something I learned recently, that in fact US have greatly reduced unemployment and increased average income.
          There is a lack of truck driver (by the way removing Mexican imigrants from

          First problem is that those who voted trump, if they were richer than average (>50k$) were feeling at risk of losing that higher than average status.

          Job are evolving, because of globalization, because of internet, and they feel at risk of losing their status.

          at the same time urban regulation is preventing them to exploit their alternative way of life.

          Note that I mix my understanding of French situation with what I heard of US…

          in France it is more terrible as there is high unemployment, higher regulation, …

  • Navdrew

    Send your ideas to President-elect Trump at the bottom of the homepage on website: greatagain.gov
    Let’s see if they are really open to new ideas.

  • Zephir

    FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars’ worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.

    SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward.

    SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fi x America’s water and environmental infrastructure.

    https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/djt-pdf-contract.jpg

  • Zephir

    FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars’ worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal. — Good for the rest of world, as it will keep the price of russian and islamist oil low, not so good for USA citizens and their children.

    SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward. — see the above

    SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fi x America’s water and environmental infrastructure. — OK, but these money could be used better: for research of alternative energy sources (negentropic devices in particular).

    https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/djt-pdf-contract.jpg
    https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf

    • bachcole

      Too bad he didn’t say anything about curtailing the tyrannical and stupid power of the FDA. I might have voted for him.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Classification of energy patents (1:42:40 min.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk0laNaSGfI

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Classification of energy patents (1:42:40 min.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk0laNaSGfI

  • A review of Trump policy vision on climate, energy, EPA, … by judith Curry

    https://judithcurry.com/2016/11/13/trumping-the-climate/

    not much change in fact?

    • I think you can expect lots of change.

  • A review of Trump policy vision on climate, energy, EPA, … by judith Curry

    https://judithcurry.com/2016/11/13/trumping-the-climate/

    not much change in fact?

    • I think you can expect lots of change.

    • The Chinese did not start the global warming hoax. The person who started the money train for climate change fear was Margaret Thatcher. It is true that now the Chinese are profiting the most from this scam. They make the most solar panels and the most wind turbines. The Chinese stopped installing wind turbines on their own soil and now only manufacture them to sell to sucker nations like the USA. They figured out that windmills are so energy inefficient they are not worth the effort.

      Margaret Thatcher paid scientist in the UK to find evidence that CO2 was an environmental threat in order to promote nuclear energy. Unfortunately, science today is mainly a business, and you can pay scientists to find evidence for anything you want. So-called scientists have to eat, want to be liked, have families to support, and don’t want to make waves. Drug companies, vitamin companies, herbal remedy companies, medical device companies all know you can hire people with science degrees to claim anything you want.

      What do you think happens to a NASA or NOAA scientists who stands up to the group-think and declares that there is no significant man-made global warming other than through land use change? They get fired just like university professors get fired if they do not have tenure. Most newspapers and all TV news networks except Fox do not even allow any stories that counter the religion of global warming. It’s Orwellian madness, not science. And all the renewable energy industries have become vampiric, parasitic special interest groups paying off politicians with votes and money to scam the American public out of billions of dollars.

      • Chapman

        Holy Crap! A voice of reason and logic! AND a man who actually knows the facts…

        Thank you Mr. Calder.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Michael, you said, “I just hope Trump isn’t the left wing radical I thought he may have been. But something has to break this hold they have on the world.” Not sure where you are getting Trump is a Left wing radical, he just hired a very conservative Chief Strategist, Steven Bannon. The ball is in the court of Trump and the Republicans who hold both houses of Congress, lets see how “left wing radical” they are.

  • Right now there is no substitute for fossil fuels. If we reduce fossil fuel use, even more innocent people will starve to death because we make food with fossil fuels. 1/3 of the world’s population is already starving. That is why we need nuclear research, because only nuclear energy can replace fossil fuels to a significant degree, and even then not entirely. I have lots of links on my website on this issue at http://renewable.50webs.com/climate.html, including a link right at the top of the page to *Climate Hysteria*, a compilation YouTube video on the climate change hoax. Dr. Tim Ball calls it all “the deliberate corruption of climate science.” See YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owm25OHGglk

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Hi Chris: I requested references from you for these two statements you made, “fire(ing) scientists who state that dangerous man-made climate change has not occurred, while financially rewarding scientists who claim that the earth is burning up” or “Politicians have paid NOAA, NASA, and the IPCC to find evidence for the predetermined conclusion that carbon dioxide……..controls earth temperatures”. You sent me to your web site. I have reviewd this web site and find no references to collaborate the above two statements. please give references for these accusations.

      • That has been in the news for many years. It’s no big secret. Even university professors have been fired in this witch hunt atmosphere against climate change deniers. That has occurred in my own state and around the nation. Others have had multiple death threats against their lives, even at MIT where people are supposed to know better. Members of the House of Lords have been so attacked by the press and other members of the UK parliament and the Prime Minister that they have been silenced. The US Government pays all the salaries of NASA, NOAA, and most of the IPCC. Obama and Biden publicly asked the IPCC to construct a new report that shows definite proof that man is causing abnormal global warming due to carbon dioxide emissions. That is not how real science works. Those were the IPCC’s marching orders and the IPCC complied, but not with real science,…with hucksterism. Climatologist Judith Curry summed up the Orwellian situation in her testimony to Congress. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GujLcfdovE8

  • Chapman

    Holy Crap! A voice of reason and logic! AND a man who actually knows the facts…

    Thank you Mr. Calder.

  • found and relayed by a liberal journalist of business journal in france

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world?utm_term=.dh9ydWAea#.ktE8Nndp3

    we are far from what I’ve heard on the news.
    I recognize many statement and diagnostic by Extreme right, and string right, and by strong left and extreme left, and also by root-liberal (economic&social true liberal that are invisible in France, and US) … even by the Pope.

    I buy the critics of Republican conservative as crony-capitalist …
    of Putin kleptocracy vs ISIS fascism…
    of root-capitalism versus crony capitalism of both Washington and Republican party… the hypocrisy of anti-social-freedoms (abortion, gays…) used to sell crony capitalism…

    I’m surprised that they more focus on judeochristianism vision of capitalism and not on ethnicity, unlike what I heard of them on TV…
    However they recognize that some fringe groups express their trouble with ethnicity…
    They also have a vision for all the West… a christian inspired capitalism, vs cronyism and fascism…

    Now question is the implementation, and I’m not so optimistic.
    Good luck US.

    NB: We are the next one in EU. aduhhhh…

  • found and relayed by a liberal journalist of business journal in france

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world?utm_term=.dh9ydWAea#.ktE8Nndp3

    we are far from what I’ve heard on the news.
    I recognize many statement and diagnostic by Extreme right, and string right, and by strong left and extreme left, and also by root-liberal (economic&social true liberal that are invisible in France, and US) … even by the Pope.

    I buy the critics of Republican conservative as crony-capitalist …
    of Putin kleptocracy vs ISIS fascism…
    of root-capitalism versus crony capitalism of both Washington and Republican party… the hypocrisy of anti-social-freedoms (abortion, gays…) used to sell crony capitalism…

    I’m surprised that they more focus on judeochristianism vision of capitalism and not on ethnicity, unlike what I heard of them on TV…
    However they recognize that some fringe groups express their trouble with ethnicity…
    They also have a vision for all the West… a christian inspired capitalism, vs cronyism and fascism…

    Now question is the implementation, and I’m not so optimistic.
    Good luck US.

    NB: We are the next one in EU. aduhhhh…

    NB: for energy policy it seems to imply they are simply opposing crony-economy, subsidies, centralized planning..
    LENR will be supported if they respect their ideology… IF!

  • ….aaaand he picked a white supremacist as his Chief Strategist.

    • Buck

      Recent moves by Trump and the transition team only triggers more questions about how the administration will respond to the advent of LENR:

      1. The transition team this last week requested a listing of those employees who have supported Climate Change from the Department of Energy
      2. It has been leaked Trump would announce this coming week that Rex Tillerson, CEO of Exxon, will be choice for Secretary of State.
      3. Trump today responded very strongly to the CIA’s assertion that Russia interfered with the US election with the intent of tipping the odds towards Trump. It has been suggested by an ex-CIA official that if the hacking is confirmed then a re-vote for president should be held.

      It should be noted Exxon had a $500B investment agreement with Russia for oil exploration and development which was shelved by the current administration when Russia invaded/annexed the Crimea

  • One of hundreds:
    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/04/28/breitbartcom-becoming-media-arm-alt-right

    The best case you can make for him is that he’s doesn’t really mean what he says and it’s just business. That’s splitting hairs. You are as you do in this world.

    • bachcole

      I am disappointed in you. You are quoting a left leaning site that is characterizing a right leaning person. How in the world can you expect objectivity and balance that way??? That is just exactly like my friend Jim going to his physicist brother to get the low-down on cold fusion.

  • Well, health care is a complex topic.

    I would just say a couple of things.

    Evidence from around the world indicates that our current way of doing it costs way more and gets worse results — and most of the comparison countries have adopted a system with an even heavier government role then we have.

    Second, that as a progressive I want to live in a society that takes care of those who fall seriously ill… and I want it to be affordable… and I would like to see it decoupled from small businesses (if not all businesses) so that Americans had more economic freedom to start businesses and not have to worry about the risks on one side and any onerous paperwork and regulations on the other.

    • bachcole

      First off, with regard to health and health care, I am the teacher and you are the student. This is certainly not the case in most other departments of life, but it is in the case of health. I have real results with CURING supposedly incurable diseases, and we both have sweet and caring theories and intentions about health care.

      However, it is only my bitterness that causes me to not want to take care of those who participated in and enthusiastically supported a system that did everything to discourage and discredit me and what I was doing for the past 46 years, but now they want my sympathetic tax dollars to continue paying for their increasingly expensive “health care” until the grave relieves me of this burden. In fact, I guarantee that many of those self-same people who want my tax dollars now castigated me and my wife for being “health-nuts” and insisted upon organic and nutrient dense foods.

      The USA spends 2 or 3 times more on so-called healthcare as any other industrialized nation on Earth, and yet our longevity and infant mortality is worse than even Portugal and Greece, the worst of all the industrialized nations. We are like 25th in both categories. It is probable that you are counting the government spending only, and I am counting all spending. If those other countries have fully socialized medicine, then their governmental spending is going to be greater. Believe it or not, I like the single payer system; it would be better than the present Kafka-esque monstrosity that we currently have. In doctor’s offices, more people push paper than do any “healing”, which is really just symptom removal most of the time.

      But the problem with the single payer idea is that the ph[‘]cking reductionistic, materialistic, pharmaceutical shills (doctors) are still in power. Why should I pay twice, once for things that actually work, and once for irresponsible and malicious (towards me) people who have their lips super-glued to the rear-ends of medical doctors who look down their nose at their patients? The only way to get the doctors out of power is to separate healthcare from government completely. Let doctors compete fairly with other health care modalities. Let freedom ring.

      • I can see you’ve had some deeply personal experiences that have shaped your opinion. I respect that but it’s wrong-headed to make decisions about large systems based on anecdotal evidence. Science and data need to drive the decision.

        Alternative medicine should be given the same chance as ‘regular’ medicine but in crucible of scientific facts and data, not on the passion of one or hundreds of people.

        There are things that federal government is best positioned to do. The obvious example is the nations defense. So everybody pays, whether you agree with the way it’s spent or not, and everybody benefits. Health care may or may not be one of those things. Many countries have decided it is and they are doing better than us on this front, spending less and enjoying a healthier populace. If we collectively decide to take a similar route it means that everyone will have to pay, whether they agree with the details or not, and everyone will enjoy the benefits. A single payer system would have much going for it. The question is can we do it while preserving the American desire for freedom in choosing doctors and philosophies, to give a name to your personal experiences. And can we make it a truly level playing field where alternative medicines and techniques are evaluated fairly. I don’t know. I do know that I don’t particularly like the role that insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies play right now. We spend too much and get too little. And everything is harder than it needs to be with insurace companies acting like our adversaries just to get reimbursed or get the coverage we were promised.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    An honest demagogue and a megalomaniac? God has decided to produce the ultimate Reality Show (The Appentice)

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Mr. Calder: I have viewed all of the above sites you have said validates your above quotes. None of them validates your quotes with the possible exception of the firing of one Nicholas Drapela. Even this firing has a highly questionable connection to climate change: http://davidappell.blogspot.com/2012/06/osu-instructor-dismissed-justifiably.html

    Therefore I have concluded you are wasting my time.

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  • Buck

    Recent moves by Trump and the transition team only triggers more questions about how the administration will respond to the advent of LENR:

    1. The transition team this last week requested a listing of those government employees who have supported Climate Change efforts from the Department of Energy
    link>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-department-energy-names-climate-change-list_us_584b2b77e4b04c8e2bb001d4

    2. It has been leaked Trump would announce this coming week that Rex Tillerson, CEO of Exxon, will be choice for Secretary of State.
    link>> http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rex-tillerson-of-exxonmobil-expected-to-be-named-trumps-secretary-of-state-sources/ar-AAloL7T?li=BBnb7Kz

    3. Trump today responded very strongly to the CIA’s assertion that Russia interfered with the US election with the intent of tipping the odds towards Trump. It has been suggested by an ex-CIA official that if the hacking is confirmed then a re-vote for president should be held.
    link>> http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/10/politics/donald-trump-response-russian-hacking/index.html
    link>> http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-mocking-claim-that-russia-hacked-election-at-odds-with-gop/ar-AAloKpW?li=BBnbcA1

    It should be noted Exxon had a $500B investment agreement with Russia for oil exploration and development which was shelved by the current administration when Russia invaded/annexed the Crimea.

    And to repeat the obvious, all oil producing countries will be negatively impacted by the advent of LENR technology such as Rossi’s E-CAT QuarkX

    All of this is prejudicial, bringing to mind the recent conversations about the Emoluments Clause of the US Constitution and Trumps extensive avenues for conflicts of interests.
    link>> http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/1/essays/68/emoluments-clause