Rossi: E-Cat Effect ‘Absolutely’ Fits Within Standard Model of Physics

Is new physics needed for the E-Cat? According to Andrea Rossi now, the answer is a definite no. Here’s a recent question and answer from the Journal of Nuclear Physics:

November 19, 2016 at 10:48 AM
Dr Andrea Rossi
Do you confirm that the explication of your effect can be contained inside the Standard Model?

Andrea Rossi
November 19, 2016 at 12:14 PM
Now I can absolutely say yes.
Warm Regards,

If Rossi is correct here, and what he says can be demonstrated, it should be helpful in efforts to get the Rossi Effect accepted in the scientific community, and by extension in the wider world. Any claim of new physics would by definition meet with reflexive resistance.

Rossi’s reply here is more definite than in the past, and it seems he has some new level of understanding. He continues to praise the work of Dr. Norman Cook, and has said lately that reading Cook’s work is what has helped him with the development of his technology. Here are a few recent comments in reference to Cook.

“The paper of Prof. Norman Cook has to be studied, as all the things that this Prof writes”
“The study of the publications of Prof Norman Cook has improved my apparatuses, but not my tennis.”
Q:”After Sergio Focardi, who is the Prof of Physics you learnt most from?” A: “Prof. Norman Cook”

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Rossi is often right and, like anyone, sometimes wrong – and always stubborn:
    “Pekka Janhunen:

    Thank you for your insight, but the fact that the Higgs field is
    responsible to turn Bosons into Fermions is commonly accepted in the
    context of the Standard Model, mainly in the CERN echelons.”

    Here Rossi is happily mixing supersymmetry and Higgs and continues to do so even after being corrected. I’m not able to explain the matter to him so that he would understand and believe it.

    If a person with a wrong idea about what the standard model is asserts that his invention is absolutely describable it terms of it, it doesn’t mean much. We need open experimental studies of the device before concluding anything about what happens inside. It’s too hard job for physicists to explain what a black box does if the only hint is that it produces excess energy.

    Thus far Rossi has only published a work-in-progress paper with Cook about how the device works. That paper was, I think, faulty in its basic assumptions, but since Rossi also didn’t claim that it was ready, criticising it was pointless.

    • Axil Axil

      In critiquing one of my posts, Rossi said that his reaction had nothing to do with quantum mechanics.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        Can you dig up the reference to it?

        • Axil Axil

          April 27th, 2015 at 8:26 AM
          A Quantum theory
          Axil Axil

          Andrea Rossi
          April 27th, 2015 at 2:49 PM
          Hmmm…very shaky…for these guys mathematic seems to be as exotic as a beach on Mars… Maybe more fit for a science- fiction movie than for an R&D, but…you never know!
          Warm Regards,

        • Pekka Janhunen

          Thanks. OK, well, Rossi surely was critical, but I don’t think he said anything categorical about quantum theory.

  • Zephir

    What actually the “E-Cat effect” is? Is it the heat effect of reaction of hydrogen with nickel, lithium or both? I’m afraid, only A. Rossi knows, what he’s talking about.

    • Alain Samoun

      Yeah, what is the Rossi Effect?

      • lkelemen

        it is explained at -> ecat science -> the rossi effect

      • Pekka Janhunen

        (Ikelemen) Proton-lithium fusion would indeed be radiation-free to first approximation, but some gammas and neutrons would still be produced when the energetic alphas collide with Li7 and deuterons. If the explanation is correct, some additional process is still needed to suppress the radiation (and to enable passing through the Coulomb barrier, of course).

    • Steve Swatman

      The delay of the ecat is not causing the acceleration of global warming, in fact even if it was released today it would be years, perhaps decades before it would have enough market penetration to make any difference at all.

      A few more years will not make much difference in the long run.

  • Zephir

    I presume, that the cold fusion can be explained classically, like the massive Astroblaster effect, occurring during low-dimensional collisions of long lines of atoms within metal lattice. But such a collisions are followed with another effects, which the classical physics doesn’t recognize (well) yet.
    These phenomena aren’t necessary for explanation of Coulombic barrier breaking, but they contribute to the anomalous distribution of reaction products, formation of helium-4 and similar stuffs.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      How to explain the lack of radiation in such model?

      • Zephir

        From thermodynamical perspective the lack of radiation is the dual part of overcoming of Coulombic barrier. You may imagine the role of catalyst like the agent, which removes the hill on the road connecting the villages – because the cars aren’t required to climb on it, they also aren’t required to brake after it. The long lines of nickel atoms serve as a 1D catalyst in similar way, like the surface of platinum serves as a 2D catalyst for oxidation of hydrogen at room temperature for example. Not only the activation barrier for oxidation gets greatly lowered with it, but also the resulting temperature is much lower, because the resulting heat gets diluted with catalyst in the same way, like the activation barrier. The lack of radiation during cold fusion is just extreme example of this effect.

        So I presume the energy of reaction may be dissolved in the momentum of long number of atoms, which collide in a single moment – their nuclei behave like long dense rod, absorbing the radiation. Not only the energy of resulting radiation and neutrons gets lowered with it, but it also gets absorbed along very short path. Normally the ionizing particles have to meet hundreds of atoms, before their energy gets finally absorbed – but at the case of cold fusion all these atoms are arranged along very short distance. But there are possible another more subtle phenomena: the vacuum around collinear atoms gets more dense due to massive entanglement of their nuclei and it serves like the waveguide for gamma rays and neutrons, which get absorbed more effectively. The recently found Hungarian boson may be remnant of similar interactions – the only question is, how much these effects are actually significant.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Have you checked how large is the amplitude of thermal motion of metal nuclei (relative to the lattice spacing) at, say, room temperature? I have a feeling it could be something like 10%, but I could be wrong. Whatever the number, shouldn’t LENR, according to this model, proceed faster in cryogenic temperature because then the atoms would form more perfect lines?

      • Zephir

        The low temperature not only improves the arrangement of atoms, but it also decreases the amplitude of their thermal motion. So that with decreasing of temperature the probability of occurrence of atoms along single line increase – but we also decrease the probability, that this line will be formed with sufficient number of atoms of sufficient momentum. Apparently some optimal temperature exists here.

        From the above model follows, that the low temperature improves the thermal yield of nuclear reaction, because the good collinear arrangement of atoms decreases the risk of escaping of neutrons and gamma radiation from reaction zone. This is also the reason, why the thermal runaway of E-Cat reactors is followed with escapement of neutrons, which would be normally absorbed.

        The low temperature may be contributory under situation, when we would initiate the cold fusion by another means, than by heating – for example with laser pulses, as Holmlid is for example is doing. Under such a situation I don’t see the reason, why the cooling shouldn’t improve they yield of fusion in general.

        • Gerard McEk

          Just a simple question, Zephir: Is low cryogenic loading of the Ni or Pd lattice more or less effective?

          • Zephir

            It depends what you call more effective: in general cold fusion runs faster with increasing temperature – but the low temperature supports higher saturation of metal with hydrogen and similar stuffs, which is also substantial for cold fusion. It may lead into thermal runaways, which ruined cold fusion experiments in the past. Some fusion reactions run in narrow range of temperatures only.

          • Omega Z

            ->”Some fusion reactions run in narrow range of temperatures only”

            This is interesting because Rossi’s low temp e-cats only work when operated at 200`C or below limiting usable heated fluids to about 120`C. Anything above 200`C always resulted in runaway destruction.

            While all the e-cats are basically the same, there are subtle differences of which Rossi admits, but does not disclose.

  • Zephir

    Every delay is harmful here, especially with respect to geopolitical situation, which will become explosive, once the resources of oil and raw sources are about to deplete.

    • Ciaranjay

      I expect that the transition from oil to LENR will be pretty explosive for the geopolitical situation, whether we run out of oil or not.
      But it needs to happen so strap yourselves in for the ride.

      • Zephir

        I really don’t afraid of some fast transition here. At least one third of oil will still have an usage in chemical industry and the switching to electromobility cannot be very fast anyway.

      • Omega Z

        No more explosive then it is now with depressed prices. The depressed prices will cease eventually(decades) when Oil becomes just a feed stock and finds it’s equilibrium.

    • Omega Z

      Yes, If fossil energy becomes unavailable because of depletion or political reasons before an economical replacement is in place, the world will become a very hostile place.

      When self preservation kicks in, everything else ceases to matter. Cities, States and Nations don’t matter. Everything becomes tribal or clan oriented in nature.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Maybe these coupled chain reactions are taking place within the confines of the nickel (or whatever metal he’s using now) nanocavity.

    Al(27) + He(4) > Si(30) + H(1) 2.3722 MeV

    Then this MeV proton, H(1) could be used to trigger the original lithium, Li(7) to helium He(4) reaction.

    H(1) + Li(7) > 2 He(4) 17.3 MeV

  • sam

    November 21, 2016 at 7:34 PM
    Dr Rossi:
    I am very pleased that the QuarkX is doing well.
    I’m sure there were a few minor problems in the last six months. Could you tell the number of problems?

    Andrea Rossi
    November 21, 2016 at 8:10 PM
    Thank you for your comment.
    We had many problems to resolve:
    – start and stop the reaction in seconds: done
    – harness the overheating caused by the very high temperature: done
    – producing direct current: done, even if its use remains confined inside the reactor increasing the heat
    – producing a high COP: done
    – make it in a way to consent an easy passage to the industrialization in big series: done
    – make a very long and uninterrupted operation to collect Sigma5: on course in one of our labs
    – make sophisticated measurements: on course
    Warm Regards,

  • Steve Swatman

    we might note that part of the globalwarming is man made and that is because power generation was used before it was fully understood to be toxic to the planet, and before it was made clean and none toxic, Mr Rossi seems to trying to fully understand his work and not have these issues at a later date. which would you prefer, open release and find out later it has issues or a working, clean running none toxic tool.

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