Hope for an E-Cat/QuarkX Presentation

There are continued signs coming from Andrea Rossi regarding an event that he has been referring to as the presentation of the QuarkX. In recent comments on the Journal of Nuclear Physics he is talking about some kind of meeting that will be made public in which the QuarkX will be demonstrated.

This would be pretty unusual for Rossi, who prefers to work in secrecy at his as-yet unidentified lab, with his as-yet unidentified team and partner.

But now he is talking about a meeting that would be used to demonstrate the QuarkX to invited guests, and also the wider public (although he says the means by which this would happen is yet to be determined), and gives the impression that he thinks he has made enough progress to move the QuarkX into the commercial realm in industrial plants. He says he really believes that 2017 will be the year for the appearance of industrial plants.

Some comments and Q&As from the JONP:

Frank Acland
December 11, 2016 at 5:50 PM
Dear Andrea,

1. Do you have plans to present the COP of the QuarkX at your public presentation? < 2. Will the general public have the ability to see this presentation, and if so, how? AR: yes, to be defined
3. Will special guests be invited to this presentation? AR: yes.

Andrea Rossi
December 11, 2016 at 11:34 AM
Dr Irina and Vitaly Uzikov:
Thank you for your continued and very important attention. You will be surely invited to the presentation.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

The last time he opened his doors to an invited audience was back in 2011 in Bologna when the first 1MW plant was tested by Italian engineer Domenico Fioravanti. At that event, it turned out the the guests were only given a short amount of access as there were some safety restrictions put in place. It turned out that the plant only ran at half power, and while the test was accepted by Fioravanti, there was very little detail published regarding the test.

I think most people following the story have been hoping for a time when the E-Cat can be demonstrated openly, in the light of day, instead of being shrouded in secrecy. I have learned over the year to temper my expectations when it comes to E-Cat development, but think it’s possible that we may be turning a corner here. Of course we can’t be sure since there are so few details; there’s no date (Rossi has mentioned February 2017), no venue, and I don’t know of anyone who’s been sent an official invitation. But there are signs that something might be happening that could change the profile of the E-Cat in an important way.

  • bfast

    Bring it on! Frank, your relationship with Rossi has been so good over the years, I really hope you are invited. If you get the invite, but need funds to get there, I’m sure that your followers would put up. We would really love your first-hand perspective on the Quark-X.

    • Gerard McEk

      Maybe we should ask Andrea if he is willing to invite Frank as an official representative of his followers?
      Are you willing to do that Frank?

      • Frank Acland

        If invited, I will make every effort to get there. Until I get an official invitation I will not get too excited, however. This story has had too many unexpected twists and turns …

        • Alain Samoun

          In case of a presentation of QuarkX I hope that you will be there for us,especially for all the information that you shared about the work of Rossi. We will pay for your travel!

        • sam

          Rossi seems excited and that is good.

        • sam

          Svein Henrik
          December 14, 2016 at 4:38 AM
          Dear Andrea
          I am happy that your measurements are proven correct. This was no surprise when measuring a QuarkX must be 1 million times easier for anybody than inventing it.
          Whether the QuarkX provides 15 or 25 watts, or it has a cop of 20 or 60 is not important now.
          It will be important that day you have a product in competition with others. Then the best product will win.
          A stability so solid that it is possible to take the risk by selling it, is now essential. Only the investors are able to take this decision.
          What are now your specific main concern before a production may be initiated?

          Andrea Rossi
          December 14, 2016 at 11:17 AM
          Svein Henrik:
          My main concern is the ightmare of a massive distributed products that have shortcomings.
          It will pass.
          Warm Regards
          A.R.

          Gerard McEk
          December 14, 2016 at 6:15 AM
          Dear Andrea,
          The end of the year is now approaching, another year year of hard working and a year that perhaps not brought what you expected. In your New Years Wish last year you gave us your vision of what the E-cat X would give us: Light, Heat and Electricity. Now you have made a lot of progress, do you still support that vision, or has it slightly changed?
          Can we expect a new vision for 2017 at the end of this year?
          Many followers hope with you that the design of the QuarkX’s in the 5 Sigma tests will be the One that will conquer the world next year. Avanti, Avanti and good luck!
          Kind regards, Gerard

          Andrea Rossi
          December 14, 2016 at 11:14 AM
          Gerard McEk:
          I strongly hope that in February we will have a breakthrough.
          Hard work ahead, as always.
          Thank you for your sustain,
          Warm Regards
          A.R.

          JPR
          December 14, 2016 at 6:37 AM
          Update?

          Andrea Rossi
          December 14, 2016 at 11:11 AM
          JPR:
          On our way toward 5Sigma.
          Warm Regards
          A.R.

        • Warthog

          Frank:
          When next you query Rossi, how about asking if he would allow a test by NIST, if it could be arranged from the NIST end.

    • Bruce Williams

      Yes,
      I will support that.

  • bfast

    Bring it on! Frank, your relationship with Rossi has been so good over the years, I really hope you are invited. If you get the invite, but need funds to get there, I’m sure that your followers would put up. We would really love your first-hand perspective on the Quark-X.

    • Gerard McEk

      Maybe we should ask Andrea if he is willing to invite Frank as an official representative of his followers?
      Are you willing to do that Frank?

      • Frank Acland

        If invited, I will make every effort to get there. Until I get an official invitation I will not get too excited, however. This story has had too many unexpected twists and turns …

        • Alain Samoun

          In case of a presentation of QuarkX I hope that you will be there for us,especially for all the information that you shared about the work of Rossi. We will pay for your travel!

        • sam

          Rossi seems excited and that is good.

        • orsobubu

          It is not an official invitation, but i asked Rossi “if there is really some kind of E-cat presentation, will you invite Frank Acland as a representative of your followers?” and he mailed me directly (at 6.30 pm Eastern time) that “Frank will be invited”.

          • Frank Acland

            Thanks, orsobubu.

          • Gerard McEk

            Well done orsobubu.

        • Warthog

          Frank:
          When next you query Rossi, how about asking if he would allow a test by NIST, if it could be arranged from the NIST end.

    • Bruce Williams

      Yes,
      I will support that.

  • Alex Ruiz

    I am pretty sure you will be invited. Please share your impressions when it happen.

  • tlp

    Rossi is feeling pressure from BrLP. They are really competing to be the first in market.

    • artefact

      I think both are watching each other carefully. Often I have the feeling that if one makes a step foreward to the public the other also does.

    • Stephen

      When real alternative approaches and genuine real competition breed new insights and innovation I think everone benefits.

      All though we all hope for a breakthrough in 2017 If one method comes through we will all be thankful and amazed. if both methods come through and work in their own way different ways that’s doubly amazing to me. Stunning actually. But brilliant if true.

  • tlp

    Rossi is feeling pressure from BrLP. They are really competing to be the first in market.

    • artefact

      I think both are watching each other carefully. Often I have the feeling that if one makes a step foreward to the public the other also does.

    • Stephen

      When real alternative approaches and genuine real competition breed new insights and innovation I think everone benefits.

      Although we all hope for a breakthrough in 2017 If one method comes through we will all be thankful and amazed. if both methods come through and work in their own different ways that’s doubly amazing to me. Stunning actually. But brilliant if true.

      If all comes through. With respect to all those who came before and genuinely generated and nurtured the field I hope you are all respected and vindicated in your work as well.

  • Vinney

    I think Leonardo Corporation should not only invite, but pay for Mr. Frank Acland’s attendance. ECW has become the best rational and un-biased website to discuss this emerging technology. So much so that he has cited it several times in his own publications.

    • Jerry Soloman

      We will get Frank there no worries.

    • Bruce Williams

      I thoroughly agree !

    • roseland67

      Vinney,

      Rational & unbiased?

  • Horshu

    Lucy + football = OOMPH!

  • theBuckWheat

    As much as I cheer for Rossi and his work, it is time to step up the visibility of at least one of his Cats.

  • builditnow

    Hi Frank, The way I see it is, that Rossi benefits by “lack” of interest in LENR and the E-Cat, provided he has plenty of cash for continued research and development, that way he can work on pulling further ahead of his competitors, technologically, but, if he needs further investment in his research, then he may need to be a bit more public to raise funds.
    Since Rossi’s court case started, it seems like there has been a considerable reduction in interest in the LENR field in general and Rossi in particular (from my armchair view).

    On the other hand, Rossi gains some protection from his followers, if he or his work is attacked in some manner, his followers could lend some important support. If the number of followers dwindles, Rossi could feel more exposed. The anti-LENR folks may be “sharpening their knives” so to speak. Using this line of thinking, Rossi may also want to increase the interest a little right now, but, not too much.

    So, he could have two goals in some sort of a public demonstration, invigorate the supporters and raising come cash. The somewhere between $11 to $20 million he raised could be running a bit low, now that he’s not getting the promised $89 million.

    At a guess, a repeat of the 2011 type demo is under consideration. Nothing too solid, just enough to stir up interest. A bit like Brilliant Light Power.

    Frank, see if you can get an invite 🙂

  • builditnow

    Hi Frank, The way I see it is, that Rossi benefits by “lack” of interest in LENR and the E-Cat, provided he has plenty of cash for continued research and development, that way he can work on pulling further ahead of his competitors, technologically, but, if he needs further investment in his research, then he may need to be a bit more public to raise funds.
    Since Rossi’s court case started, it seems like there has been a considerable reduction in interest in the LENR field in general and Rossi in particular (from my armchair view).

    On the other hand, Rossi gains some protection from his followers, if he or his work is attacked in some manner, his followers could lend some important support. If the number of followers dwindles, Rossi could feel more exposed. The anti-LENR folks may be “sharpening their knives” so to speak. Using this line of thinking, Rossi may also want to increase the interest a little right now, but, not too much.

    So, he could have two goals in some sort of a public demonstration, invigorate the supporters and raising come cash. The somewhere between $11 to $20 million he raised could be running a bit low, now that he’s not getting the promised $89 million.

    At a guess, a repeat of the 2011 type demo is under consideration. Nothing too solid, just enough to stir up interest. A bit like Brilliant Light Power.

    Frank, see if you can get an invite 🙂

  • Hhiram

    I think it depends entirely on how close to commercial production the QuarkX really is. If the 5-sigma test and the recent 3rd party 3-day evaluation by the “military” engineer were simply for internal R&D and funding/investor purposes, then I would not expect anything but tidbits and uncertainty from any demonstration.

    The reason why is that it does not serve the interests of Rossi (or BLP) to present slam-dunk world-changing evidence for LENR. Because if they did that, every university and corporate energy research team in the world would drop what they are doing immediately and start working on LENR. That would be an enormous influx of competition, and both Loenardo and BLP would get completely crushed within a year or two by huge international players will billions of dollars.

    So, either Rossi has a finished product and the recent tests were for certification prior to actual production (in which case a truly compelling demo would make sense), or this is just another phase of R&D and the demo will be highly questionable and secretive and therefore only convincing to those already closely following LENR.

    • Omega Z

      Everyone assumes that should Government and Corporations dump billions into this, they would soon have the answer. It does not matter how much money would be thrown at this technology, it would take many years, (Possibly decades) for everyone to catch up. The only thing that may change that would be getting their hands on someones working device such as an E-cat and reverse engineer it.

      Also keep in mind, “No One” would share any details of their R&D. Each entity would do just as Rossi, Mills and all others currently do. Keep all the important details secret. This is an issue the U.S. Government is trying to find an answer to. Currently, Tax dollars may be paying for the same research by many different characters, none of whom will work together or share R&D info with each other.

      • artefact

        The money should go to (Live) Open Science.

        • Omega Z

          What you propose would cause the best of the researchers to go elsewhere. This is why the Government doesn’t mandate it. It would be very counter productive. It would create an environment comparable to a sport where you would try to help the other team score against you. To try and force such a policy would all but crush innovation.

          Something that may be possible and be of some help would be an open exchange of things that did not work or show any promise. Even then, one needs to keep in mind that just because I may not achieve worthwhile results doesn’t mean someone else wouldn’t.

          Ultimately, the best policy is much what we have today. Our competitive nature provides results much faster then any other policy. Even should many repeat the same tasks multiple times.

  • BillH

    In reality if AR has anything to show us it would be quite easy to set up a demonstration on-line with cameras, meters, displays and live data-streams which would be relatively inexpensive. Since this has never occurred any confidence that this might happen is ebbing away.

  • MasterBlaster7

    Anyone see this…

    http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/12/bill-gates-and-other-billionaires-have.html

    Bill Gates (and other wealthy friends) announced the launch of
    Breakthrough Energy Ventures (BEV), a fund that will invest more than $1
    billion in scientific breakthroughs that have the potential to deliver
    cheap and reliable clean energy to the world.

    https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/11/bill-gates-jeff-bezos-and-18-others-commit-1-billion-to-new-cleantech-fund-breakthrough-energy-ventures/

    The group, comprised of tech and finance all-stars, pledged to invest in
    early-stage startups in nations that were ramping up their public,
    R&D funding for cleantech, to reach a collective $30 billion by
    2020.

  • Frank Acland

    Thanks, orsobubu.

  • Flo

    In 2 years…

  • Flo

    In 2 years…

  • Bruce Williams

    I thoroughly agree !

  • Omega Z

    I have followed Rossi since very early on.

    Friendship has a price. Rossi does not like to give public demos and thought the demos he did give in 2011 were premature. However he did them at the request of Sergio Focardi. Focardi’s health was failing and Focardi wanted this technology to go public while he was still here with us.

    For the 1st time, it feels to me as if Rossi is proposing this public presentation of his own choosing and not at the behest of someone else. It feels as if Rossi himself is now confident that it is ready.

  • Omega Z

    I have followed Rossi since very early on.

    Friendship has a price. Rossi does not like to give public demos and thought the demos he did give in 2011 were premature. However he did them at the request of Sergio Focardi. Focardi’s health was failing and Focardi wanted this technology to go public while he was still here with us.

    For the 1st time, it feels to me as if Rossi is proposing this public presentation of his own choosing and not at the behest of someone else. It feels as if Rossi himself is now confident that it is ready.

  • georgehants

    Jackie
    December 12, 2016 at 11:39 AM
    Dear Mr. Rossi will your public demonstration be open to the public
    and will somebody independent who has tested your QuarkX etc.be there
    to confirm the results.
    Best Wishes
    Jackie
    ———–
    Andrea Rossi
    December 12, 2016 at 6:37 PM
    Jackie:
    Maybe.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • georgehants

    Jackie
    December 12, 2016 at 11:39 AM
    Dear Mr. Rossi will your public demonstration be open to the public
    and will somebody independent who has tested your QuarkX etc.be there
    to confirm the results.
    Best Wishes
    Jackie
    ———–
    Andrea Rossi
    December 12, 2016 at 6:37 PM
    Jackie:
    Maybe.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Monty

    It sounds interesting but till now is “Rossi says”. I believe it when somebody is actually there confirming there is a presentation. Till this point I am sceptical.

  • Monty

    It sounds interesting but till now is “Rossi says”. I believe it when somebody is actually there confirming there is a presentation. Till this point I am sceptical.

  • Teemu Soilamo

    Hope… springs eternal. I would like to remind everyone that even if we DO get a presentation, even if special people ARE invited, we still won’t necessarily have ‘proof’ that the E-Cat works nor an immediate path to commercialization. Something will come up, it always does. After the February event, an indefinite amount of time–probably measured in months–will pass, after which we will start hearing echoes of a finalized “robotized line” being ready next year at Rossi’s new plant in southern Sweden. It never ends, does it?

    • Ciaranjay

      That would be like deja vu all over again.

      • Teemu Soilamo

        I asked Rossi what was the purpose of the February presentation, but he deleted my question. Probably others have done the same; but received no response.

        • sam

          Sven

          December 13, 2016 at 8:01 AM

          Mr Rossi:
          If the QuarkX will not be perfectly ready by February 2017, will you force the presentation or delay?
          Cheers,
          Sven

          Andrea Rossi
          December 13, 2016 at 8:24 AM
          Sven:
          Delay.
          Warm Regards,
          A.R.

        • Jas

          Andrea Rossi
          December 13, 2016 at 10:41 AM
          Monty:
          To give good information of the QuarkX at the eve of its industrialization, I hope.
          F8…
          Warm Regards
          A.R.

          monty
          December 13, 2016 at 8:57 AM
          Whats the reason for the presentation you are planning?

  • Teemu Soilamo

    Hope… springs eternal. I would like to remind everyone that even if we DO get a presentation, even if special people ARE invited, we still won’t necessarily have ‘proof’ that the E-Cat works nor an immediate path to commercialization. Something will come up, it always does. After the February event, an indefinite amount of time–probably measured in months–will pass, after which we will start hearing echoes of a finalized “robotized line” being ready next year at Rossi’s new plant in southern Sweden. It never ends, does it?

    • Ciaranjay

      That would be like deja vu all over again.

      • Teemu Soilamo

        I asked Rossi what was the purpose of the February presentation, but he deleted my question. Probably others have done the same; but received no response.

        • sam

          Sven

          December 13, 2016 at 8:01 AM

          Mr Rossi:
          If the QuarkX will not be perfectly ready by February 2017, will you force the presentation or delay?
          Cheers,
          Sven

          Andrea Rossi
          December 13, 2016 at 8:24 AM
          Sven:
          Delay.
          Warm Regards,
          A.R.

        • Jas

          Andrea Rossi
          December 13, 2016 at 10:41 AM
          Monty:
          To give good information of the QuarkX at the eve of its industrialization, I hope.
          F8…
          Warm Regards
          A.R.

          monty
          December 13, 2016 at 8:57 AM
          Whats the reason for the presentation you are planning?

          • Teemu Soilamo

            I like the sound of that. Cautiously optimistic…

  • Gerard McEk

    Well done orsobubu.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Rossi needs to hurry up…
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/319a27883ec8d8900eb94b20873828aa714829c0a3c0b227537dd49fdefb0ba5.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/319a27883ec8d8900eb94b20873828aa714829c0a3c0b227537dd49fdefb0ba5.png
    Informative videos reveal latest SunCell(TM) that may produce up to 250kw continuously in a domestic fridge sized unit.

    PART 1: https://goo.gl/gIQO8b

    PART 2: https://goo.gl/ma1gtd

    Really nice history and overview of Brilliant Light Powers claimed emerging energy technology.

    The consumable is the hydrogen in water, the product is claimed to be un-reactive ‘shrunken’ hydrogen as predicted by Maly, Vavra & Mills that the latter calls hydrino.

    • artefact

      It would be a good time for me356 to present his findings now. Later it could be to late to get some recognition.

      • Bob Greenyer

        I had already written to him and suggested as much and offered to visit him before 22nd Dec if he is willing before I posted the above.

    • wpj

      Is that a UK fridge or a US fridge??

      • Bob Greenyer

        UK – US would be what, like a gigawatt? 😉

        and don’t expect an icemaker

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Thanks Bob, this has helped me understand Brilliant Light Powers. I agree Rossi had better “put up (Not miss his Feb. presentation) or shut up” (Stop (not) answering questions on his JONP site)

  • Bob Greenyer

    Rossi needs to hurry up…
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/319a27883ec8d8900eb94b20873828aa714829c0a3c0b227537dd49fdefb0ba5.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/319a27883ec8d8900eb94b20873828aa714829c0a3c0b227537dd49fdefb0ba5.png
    Informative videos reveal latest SunCell(TM) that may produce up to 250kw continuously in a domestic fridge sized unit.

    PART 1: https://goo.gl/gIQO8b

    PART 2: https://goo.gl/ma1gtd

    Really nice history and overview of Brilliant Light Powers claimed emerging energy technology.

    The consumable is the hydrogen in water, the product is claimed to be un-reactive ‘shrunken’ hydrogen as predicted by Maly, Vavra & Mills that the latter calls hydrino.

    • artefact

      It would be a good time for me356 to present his findings now. Later it could be to late to get some recognition.

      • Bob Greenyer

        I had already written to him and suggested as much and offered to visit him before 22nd Dec if he is willing before I posted the above.

    • wpj

      Is that a UK fridge or a US fridge??

      • Bob Greenyer

        UK – US would be what, like a gigawatt? 😉

        and don’t expect an icemaker

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Thanks Bob, this has helped me understand Brilliant Light Powers. I agree Rossi had better “put up (Not miss his Feb. presentation) or shut up” (Stop (not) answering questions on his JONP site)

    • Dirk

      Ironic that anyone would need to ‘hurry up’ for BLP, who have been pursuing the hydrino since 1991.

  • Axil Axil

    A study of Rossi’s method of doing business over the years has shown that he only gives a demo when he is seeking additional money from investors. It could be that Rossi does not have enough money to move on the the next aspect of what he wants to do to develope his Quark industrial reactor. He might well be seeking to dial up some additional funds to move on to either additional R&D and/or manufacturing.

    R Mills does the same thing. Mills gives a demo to potential investors when his R&D funds of getting low.

    If we consider these demos as a way to generate more R&D funding, we will not be far from the truth.

    • Bob Greenyer

      To be fair to Mills, Randall has been extremely consistent on theory – his theory – and he does provide a high degree of detail in his recent presentations including looking into claimed functional devices.

      No one could argue that replacing tungsten/molybdenum electrodes with molten silver was not an elegant and logical progression.

  • Axil Axil

    A study of Rossi’s method of doing business over the years has shown that he only gives a demo when he is seeking additional money from investors. It could be that Rossi does not have enough money to move on the the next aspect of what he wants to do to develope his Quark industrial reactor. He might well be seeking to dial up some additional funds to move on to either additional R&D and/or manufacturing.

    R Mills does the same thing. Mills gives a demo to potential investors when his R&D funds of getting low.

    If we consider these demos as a way to generate more R&D funding, we will not be far from the truth.

    • Teemu Soilamo

      I asked Rossi whether it would make sense to attract attention from the public and his competitors by holding this event if he just wanted more money; he deleted my question. Make of that what you will.

    • Bob Greenyer

      To be fair to Mills, Randall has been extremely consistent on theory – his theory – and he does provide a high degree of detail in his recent presentations including looking into claimed functional devices.

      No one could argue that replacing tungsten/molybdenum electrodes with molten silver was not an elegant and logical progression.

  • Tom Yaxley

    What good is a presentation? It proves nothing, because it can be so easily rigged! Critics/skeptics still won’t care until there is a peer reviewed report that details a repeatable experiment, or they are put on the market (at which point it will be reverse engineered).

    • Omega Z

      Don’t hold your breath waiting for a peer reviewed paper. No Science journal will publish any such paper. It is all but forbidden at this time. But perhaps once there is a product in the market they will have no choice but to do so.

      Reverse engineered doesn’t mean anything until you use that knowledge to develop you own unique arrangement.

    • SD

      How do you put a product on the market without presenting it to potential customers?

      • Tom Yaxley

        I think providing substantial evidence to customers that it actually works is more important than an easily rigged presentation…

  • peacelovewoodstock
    • Omega Z

      Don’t hold your breath waiting for a peer reviewed paper. No Science journal will publish any such paper. It is all but forbidden at this time. But perhaps once there is a product in the market they will have no choice but to do so.

      Reverse engineered doesn’t mean anything until you use that knowledge to develop you own unique arrangement.

  • peacelovewoodstock
  • Frederic Maillard

    BLP is using molten silver electrodes.

    I was wondering whether these electrodes might get “worn out” in some way after a while, that is altered or transmuted, so that silver they use would have to be renewed after being used for some time in the reactor.

    If this is the case, there is another question : if silver being used in the reactor can not be recycled at low cost (e.g. in the case silver is transmuted in a way that is costly to refresh it), the economical interest of Mills reactor could be put into question, as silver is very expensive.

    • MorganMck

      The silver is recycled in the reactor and the EM pumps are COTS items that have a long life-cycle as demonstrated in many current applications. The Silver is not a large cost component of the SunCell, the CPVs are the big ticket components.

  • Rene

    I am less interested in another Rossi softball presentation. There is not much point to them. I hope he concentrates on getting a working commercial product out, as he has said he would do. Then we can determine the merit of his work.

  • Rene

    I am less interested in another Rossi softball presentation. There is not much point to them. I hope he concentrates on getting a working commercial product out, as he has said he would do. Then we can determine the merit of his work.

    • MorganMck

      I agree. A black box test by an independent yet reputable 3rd party (without any direct Rossi involvement) may be of some value in attracting additional capital (if needed), but a Rossi conducted demo will just be a skeptic-fest and of little value other than satisfying the curiosity of the already converted.

  • roseland67

    Vinney,

    Rational & unbiased?

  • Steve D

    Unrelated really to the Rossi vs IH case, but if Rossi puts on a convincing demo (and gets media attention), it would at least serve as a good character reference for him. Any notion by IH that “it doesn’t work” might then be viewed with the some scepticism. The tables turn.

    • BillH

      No help at all, it’s a completely different system from the 1MW plant. It might even make IH more keen to retain their contracted distribution rights in N America.

      • US_Citizen71

        What rights? No pay, no play.

  • artefact

    China confirms it is already testing out an EmDrive in orbit

    https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/4728-Chinese-press-Article-on-EmDrive/?postID=43559#post43559

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/emdrive-chinese-space-agency-put-controversial-tech-onto-satellites-soon-possible-1596328

    “This ties in with information sources in the international space industry gave IBTimes UK under condition of anonymity that China already has an EmDrive on its orbital space laboratory Tiangong-2.”

    • artefact

      On Reddit “TheTravelerReturns” wrote:

      “There are very major EmDrive events in play.
      Events which will make the Chinese EmDrive announcement seem insignificant.
      I suspect the Chinese know of these upcoming events and they are why the Chinese moved 1st, to try to gain the “High Ground”.
      BTW the Chinese EmDrives in space are not superconducting thrusters.
      If history is any judge, IBT’s Mary-Ann will be doing more articles on this and other events VERY SOON. Watch this space: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/innovation

  • artefact

    China confirms it is already testing out an EmDrive in orbit

    https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/4728-Chinese-press-Article-on-EmDrive/?postID=43559#post43559

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/emdrive-chinese-space-agency-put-controversial-tech-onto-satellites-soon-possible-1596328

    “This ties in with information sources in the international space industry gave IBTimes UK under condition of anonymity that China already has an EmDrive on its orbital space laboratory Tiangong-2.”

    • artefact

      On Reddit “TheTravelerReturns” wrote:

      “There are very major EmDrive events in play.
      Events which will make the Chinese EmDrive announcement seem insignificant.
      I suspect the Chinese know of these upcoming events and they are why the Chinese moved 1st, to try to gain the “High Ground”.
      BTW the Chinese EmDrives in space are not superconducting thrusters.
      If history is any judge, IBT’s Mary-Ann will be doing more articles on this and other events VERY SOON. Watch this space: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/innovation

  • The silver for electrodes is not necessarily lost. It could be recycled inside the device. Then, lost of the silver and management cost of reloads could do not exist.

  • sam

    Svein Henrik
    December 14, 2016 at 4:38 AM
    Dear Andrea
    I am happy that your measurements are proven correct. This was no surprise when measuring a QuarkX must be 1 million times easier for anybody than inventing it.
    Whether the QuarkX provides 15 or 25 watts, or it has a cop of 20 or 60 is not important now.
    It will be important that day you have a product in competition with others. Then the best product will win.
    A stability so solid that it is possible to take the risk by selling it, is now essential. Only the investors are able to take this decision.
    What are now your specific main concern before a production may be initiated?

    Andrea Rossi
    December 14, 2016 at 11:17 AM
    Svein Henrik:
    My main concern is the ightmare of a massive distributed products that have shortcomings.
    It will pass.
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

    Gerard McEk
    December 14, 2016 at 6:15 AM
    Dear Andrea,
    The end of the year is now approaching, another year year of hard working and a year that perhaps not brought what you expected. In your New Years Wish last year you gave us your vision of what the E-cat X would give us: Light, Heat and Electricity. Now you have made a lot of progress, do you still support that vision, or has it slightly changed?
    Can we expect a new vision for 2017 at the end of this year?
    Many followers hope with you that the design of the QuarkX’s in the 5 Sigma tests will be the One that will conquer the world next year. Avanti, Avanti and good luck!
    Kind regards, Gerard

    Andrea Rossi
    December 14, 2016 at 11:14 AM
    Gerard McEk:
    I strongly hope that in February we will have a breakthrough.
    Hard work ahead, as always.
    Thank you for your sustain,
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

    JPR
    December 14, 2016 at 6:37 AM
    Update?

    Andrea Rossi
    December 14, 2016 at 11:11 AM
    JPR:
    On our way toward 5Sigma.
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

  • SD

    How do you put a product on the market without presenting it to potential customers?

  • BillH

    No help at all, it’s a completely different system from the 1MW plant. It might even make IH more keen to retain their contracted distribution rights in N America.

    • US_Citizen71

      What rights? No pay, no play.

  • nix

    The Ni isotope test of the lacarno e-cat prove that the guy is a fraud. He substituted a commercial sample of isotopically pure Ni62 for the used catalyst, that is the only way those results could be achieved. The total absence of radioactive Ni59 in any test show that the ni is not undergoing reaction with the hydrogen. Wake up people!

    • Steve Swatman

      isnt it illegal or something to make such accusations without absolute proof, you know, witness’s or video evidence?

    • Omega Z

      Rossi didn’t submit a sample for the isotope analysis.

      The sample was taken/scraped from the insides of the Lugano reactor following the test by those who performed the Lugano test.

  • NoMCA

    What do you want to know about quarkx?

  • Steve Swatman

    isnt it illegal or something to make such accusations without absolute proof, you know, witness’s or video evidence?

  • Omega Z

    Rossi didn’t submit a sample for the isotope analysis.

    The sample was taken/scraped from the insides of the Lugano reactor following the test by those who performed the Lugano test.

  • Eol Awki

    “we may be turning a corner here”

    He has been turning that corner since 2011. Perhaps what we are really seeing is that the corner is a circle?