USQL, JM Products Post Corporate Disclosure Statements: ‘No Parent Company of J.M. Products’

There are a couple of new documents that have been posted in the court docket today, one on behalf of United States Quantum Leap (USQL) and one by JM Products, each titled Certificate of Interested Parties. The documents are numbers 93 and 94 are available at this link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BzKtdce19-wyb1RxOTF6c2NtZkk

The documents, filed by lawyers from each company, are very similar. One statement that is of broader interest is from JM Products, which states “Third-Party Defendant, J.M. Products, Inc., hereby certifies that there is no parent corporation of J.M. Products, Inc.” This would seem to be in contradiction to the statement from page 25 the IH-Leonardo Copr license agreement which states that “JMC is owned by an entity formed in the United Kingdom.”

I imagine this will be a point of interest and discussion for people following the court case, and may be something that is brought up in court as well, because of the role of JM Products who according to Andrea Rossi was involved in a manufacturing process using energy from the 1MW E-Cat plant during the 1-year test in Florida.

  • Curbina

    This quickly became a sign of triumph for people that thinks that Rossi is a con man. I certainly hink it does not look good, and I hope this does not means what It seems at face value. But it does indeed look very bad for Rossi, at least from my point of view.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    I’m unfamiliar with legalese as well, but clearly a company must always be owned by some legal entity which is sometimes another company or corporation, but can also be (and more commonly is) a person, a government, a foundation etc. (https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_entity )

  • Either that (a company coming out and saying it works), or an entity coming out saying that it doesn’t work.

    One of both it must be. But even IH is not clearly saying that Rossi has nothing.

    This is strange, because IH could end this (very expensive) curt case by simply providing evidence that Rossi has nothing and faked all data.
    But they don’t. So why?

  • peacelovewoodstock

    Much sound and fury signifying nothing. A “Certificate of Interested Parties” is a tool that a court uses to avoid conflicts of interest, such as that the judge has some financial interest in the outcome (e.g. via shared ownership in a parent corporation of one of the parties to a suit).

    There is NO conflict with the self-certification by JMP on the license agreement. As others have noted, an ‘entity’ does not necessarily mean a corporation.

  • Billy Jackson

    Another lesson for all of us to stop jumping to conclusions. If my memory is correct it was us on these forums that made the connections and we have some how turned our guess work into fact? and then have the audacity to be angry that we are wrong?.

    Even now the relationship with JM Products is unclear. Our best case would be to watch events unfold without jumping to more conclusions until we have a clear picture.

    • roseland67

      Billy,
      I think it was January 17, 2011, when I first saw people jumping to conclusions.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        Jumping to conclusions is not good, but on the other hand there is Akin’s law number 9: Not having all the information one needs doesn’t imply that one shouldn’t start the analysis. (http://spacecraft.ssl.umd.edu/akins_laws.html )

  • Omega Z

    We ALL tend to forget the reason for this being in court.

    It’s been said that Rossi offered to return the original $11.5 million in return for Industrial Heat/Darden INC rescinding all rights/claims on Rossi’s IP.

    It’s also been said that Industrial Heat/Darden INC counter offered with offering Rossi a substantial sum tho much less then the $89 million in the agreement.

    SO, this all boils down to Industrial Heat/Darden INC wanting to retain all rights to Rossi’s IP without paying the $89 million even should Rossi return the original payments involved. It seems Industrial Heat/Darden INC are willing to expend large sums of money to retain the technology IP they “Imply” doesn’t work.

    A Woodford representitive said it best. This is merely an IP war. People don’t fight over something that doesn’t work. If it has other issues such as reliability or just not ready for the market, you tend to negotiate those issues.

    • DNI

      That’s only what Rossi say. Dawey Weaver close to IH have denied it. So it all depends on who you trust.

      • Omega Z

        Weaver has made many unfounded claims and has backpedaled more then once. Dewey was just muddying the water and promoting FUD.

        However, again, the statement from the Woodford representative out right stated this is an IP war. The reason Industrial Heat/Darden INC is in court is to retain the IP. It would be much easier and cheaper legally to claim the contract wasn’t fulfilled and revert everything back making everyone whole.

        • Obvious

          One doesn’t have to like what DW says, but it would be wise to pay attention to what he has said so far. It is not mud or FUD, despite how much it may not appeal to many people. He has disseminated about 90% now-verifiable correct information. With some big reveals that have yet to surface, but at least one that is is briefly mentioned in the recent IH et al filing.

          • Bruce__H

            I’ve been wondering when the rest was coming.

            If I were IH and suspicious about Rossi’s activities in 2015, I would have done things like have someone outside the Doral facility keeping track of how many truckloads of reagents and products were being delivered and taken away each day, take a photo over the wall of the famous customer’s site just to see what’s there, do a bit of IR photography (as I think was briefly mentioned in one of the recent IH filings) from a drone high atop the facility to try and locate just where that 1 MW of missing heat has gone, and so on. I’m hoping whatever was done will come out.

            Also, it is my hope that the entire Doral facility is still under lock and key and in IH’s control. That could be interesting too. Like viewing the body ready for autopsy.

          • Obvious

            The Doral facility is (or at least was) being rented by JMP, so IH can’t really keep the facility under lock and key. The containers, sure, they could be locked up. But I would expect that JMP would want the containers out of there so they can either move their factory stuff out, or get back to manufacturing with natural gas power (or whatever).

          • Omega Z

            Yep, That’s how I would do it. Throw out some verifiable truths with some not so verifiable whoppers. I’ve had the unfortunate opportunity of working with people like the Dardens and Deweys. These are the kind of people who brought you the, “If you call in the next 5 minutes, we’ll throw a 2nd set in for free”…

          • radvar

            How true, how sad.

        • DNI

          In my world it’s Rossi who have made many unfounded claims. So as I said it all depends on whom you trust. Hence I think it’s important to write were the information come from.

          • Omega Z

            Dardens and Deweys of the world are Venture Capitalist.

            What more needs to be said???

          • frank

            As said – it depens on who you trust . but don’t state that your opinion to be the truth…

          • clovis ray

            Bingo

          • Omega Z

            Why does no body asks questions about IH/Darden.

            Shouldn’t it have been Rossi draging his feet If there was problems with the E-cat. Why was it Darden delaying the 1 year test. Any reasonable person would want that accomplished as soon as possible to know whether they had a viable business product. Darden could have selected the location and the customer of his choice. Where were Dardens Priorities?

            Why was Darden Inc filing patents on Rossi’s IP without Rossi’s knowledge. You can start to see where Dardens Priorities were. To squeeze Rossi out of the picture without ever finishing the agreement and fully paying for Rossi’s IP.

            Why was Darden creating new LLC’s in different juridictions all the while telling Rossi they were all the same as doing business with Industrial heat LLC & Cherokee. And that Rossi should assign the IP to these new LLC’s. Was there any legal paper work to this all being of the same entity. I don’t think so. Multiple LLC’s is a Darden business M.O. creating a legal quagmire down the road. As 1 business litigant against Darden in 1 of His brownfield projects said, It makes it very hard to follow the money and determine who is legally liable allowing that burden to fall on others.

            Rossi say’s Darden implied the Backing of the Cherokee fund and I have no reason to disbelieve otherwise. In multiple interviews with Darden, Cherokee was always mentioned and tho Darden never claimed Cherokee backing, He NEVER said it was not. In Court, A lie by omission is still a lie. Is Darden guilty of fraud???

            As Darden is not the sole Founder of Cherokee, I also doubt he had the authority to claim such backing. Even if he did, Cherokees income is far short of what would be necessary. It would take well over half a dozen years to pay Rossi and as multiple brownfield projects have fallen into bankruptcy, likely doesn’t have a credit line to achieve such.

            If people were to scrutinize Darden and his business practices just half as much as they scrutinize Rossi, They would likely have a very different view. There’s a reason Thomas Darden was getting out of the brownfield remediation business. There was a dwindling pool of investors willing to work with him. One should question Why…

          • Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax

            Seeing this, full of misunderstandings and misinformation, which would require a tome for a clear and complete answer, I wrote that answer at http://coldfusioncommunity.net/questions-about-industrial-heat/

            I will see replies to this post, and comments and contributions are welcome on coldfusioncommunity.net.

    • clovis ray

      Yep,well said.

  • Andrew

    /popcorn

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Truth theory consistent with data, scam theories have thus far run into inconsistencies.

  • radvar

    That link is a great read. The “point/counterpoint” format really brings the competing claims to life.

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