Stanford Energy Club Meeting on LENR, Jan 25, 2017 (MFMP Video)

Thanks to Bob Greenyer for sharing a link to a video from the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project of a meeting held at Stanford University on LENR.

The meeting was the kickoff meeting of the Stanford Energy Club’s Nuclear Energy Community held on January 25, 2017, and this meeting had a LENR Panel. The panel members were:

Carl Page / Frank Ling – Anthropocene Institute

Fran Tanzella – Stanford Research International

Alan Goldwater / Bob Greenyer – Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project

Video is below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw3Yn1WooQA

  • Buck

    Robert Godes was added to the program. He is the man in the blue-green shirt, stage left of the panelist table. He enters at about 6:40 from stage left

  • Buck

    Robert Godes was added to the program. He is the man in the blue-green shirt, stage left of the panelist table. He enters at about 6:40 from stage left

  • Hey Bob Greenyer… the bit where you’re talking about me356 in the video is edited some (I presume to protect some sensitive info). me356 purchasing his own SEM seems a major bit of good news to me (because that would be some expensive next level deception going on in the the poser scenario). Have you seen this device with your own eyes, or is it just an ‘me356 says’ kind of thing?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Hi LENR G.

      I arrived at the event with my smart phone, a tripod and a mount – just in case there was no other video being made and I could get permission from the meeting organisers to video it. I wanted to capture the event for everyone and the record. As it happened, there was no video organised and they were therefore happy for me to record it.

      The video was not edited other than for poor sound and one error by me when I said week when I had already said last Thursday in a month – the audio fixing took me about 4 hours to deal with because of the close proximity coughing and clapping in relation to the distant speaking. Because my 7D only records 12.5 mins and my GoPro battery always runs out after about 40 mins – I brought my Samsung phone that I had never recorded a long clip with – but I knew it would do a reasonable job and the battery would surely last the whole meeting – even still I did not know if it would do the whole event and I knew I was going last – however, I decided it was better than nothing.

      It did record the whole event, however, every 4.29GB (file system single file limit) the recording was stopped, file closed and a new recording began it seems. There is a number of seconds delay when this happens – nothing material is missed – Categorically, I can state that no sensitive material was omitted.

      With regard to me356s SEM, it cost between 55,000 and 60,000 Euros and he feels it is well worth the money for the insight it has given him – Alan and I have been discussing the importance of getting a good unit for his work over the past 18 months and really me356s experience would seem to prove the necessity of having one on hand for really understanding fast what is going on. I have not seen it but you can see the images I shared from it in the presentation which is now available on our site and FaceBook.

      me356 had tried to get prepared to see me before the end of last year, then he was practically ready before I flew here to prepare for imminent GS 5.4 and G 5.5 experiments but I was too tied up. I am hoping he does not have any set backs and I can see him after I return. I will after that happens, confirm explicitly if he has an SEM as I described in the presentation – but I have little reason to doubt him since I know him and he has the means.

      • The skip came just as it seemed that possibly details of me356’s location were being discussed, so that’s the root of my incorrect assumption. Thanks for clearing that up.

        I don’t much doubt the SEM purchase either based on your previous characterization of me356, but we live in a trust but verify world nowadays and there are many disinformation campaigns underway.

        Please prioritize a trip to see me356 if he’s ready.

        I can’t speak for anyone else, but for me if you report back from a visit with me356 that he can repeat XSH on demand with a COP over, say, 2.0 and routinely measures correlated particle emissions… then that would be a game changer. Following up with a replication attempt or direct measurement of one of his reactors, as he has indicated he would support, would achieve MFMP’s goals.

        • Bob Greenyer

          I have made myself available on a regular basis.

          me356 is a perfectionist, he is independent and so it only works when it is right for him. You can’t pressure someone to feel more comfortable with putting themselves forward for detailed scrutiny – they will be ready in their own time.

          I hope that time is after I get back from here.

          A definite replication / verification would, if accepted, achieve our primary goal.

  • Hey Bob Greenyer… the bit where you’re talking about me356 in the video is edited some (I presume to protect some sensitive info). me356 purchasing his own SEM seems a major bit of good news to me (because that would be some expensive next level deception going on in the poser scenario). Have you seen this device with your own eyes, or is it just an ‘me356 says’ kind of thing?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Hi LENR G.

      I arrived at the event with my smart phone, a tripod and a mount – just in case there was no other video being made and I could get permission from the meeting organisers to video it. I wanted to capture the event for everyone and the record. As it happened, there was no video organised and they were therefore happy for me to record it.

      The video was not edited other than for poor sound and one error by me when I said week when I had already said last Thursday in a month – the audio fixing took me about 4 hours to deal with because of the close proximity coughing and clapping in relation to the distant speaking. Because my 7D only records 12.5 mins and my GoPro battery always runs out after about 40 mins – I brought my Samsung phone that I had never recorded a long clip with – but I knew it would do a reasonable job and the battery would surely last the whole meeting – even still I did not know if it would do the whole event and I knew I was going last – however, I decided it was better than nothing.

      It did record the whole event, however, every 4.29GB (file system single file limit) the recording was stopped, file closed and a new recording began it seems. There is a number of seconds delay when this happens – nothing material is missed – Categorically, I can state that no sensitive material was omitted.

      With regard to me356s SEM, it cost between 55,000 and 60,000 Euros and he feels it is well worth the money for the insight it has given him – Alan and I have been discussing the importance of getting a good unit for his work over the past 18 months and really me356s experience would seem to prove the necessity of having one on hand for really understanding fast what is going on. I have not seen it but you can see the images I shared from it in the presentation which is now available on our site and FaceBook.

      me356 had tried to get prepared to see me before the end of last year, then he was practically ready before I flew here to prepare for imminent GS 5.4 and G 5.5 experiments but I was too tied up. I am hoping he does not have any set backs and I can see him after I return. I will after that happens, confirm explicitly if he has an SEM as I described in the presentation – but I have little reason to doubt him since I know him and he has the means.

      • The skip came just as it seemed that possibly details of me356’s location were being discussed, so that’s the root of my incorrect assumption. Thanks for clearing that up.

        I don’t much doubt the SEM purchase either based on your previous characterization of me356, but we live in a trust but verify world nowadays and there are many disinformation campaigns underway.

        Please prioritize a trip to see me356 if he’s ready.

        I can’t speak for anyone else, but for me if you report back from a visit with me356 that he can repeat XSH on demand with a COP over, say, 2.0 and routinely measures correlated particle emissions… then that would be a game changer. Following up with a replication attempt or direct measurement of one of his reactors, as he has indicated he would support, would achieve MFMP’s goals.

        • Bob Greenyer

          I have made myself available on a regular basis.

          me356 is a perfectionist, he is independent and so it only works when it is right for him. You can’t pressure someone to feel more comfortable with putting themselves forward for detailed scrutiny – they will be ready in their own time.

          I hope that time is after I get back from here.

          A definite replication / verification would, if accepted, achieve our primary goal.

  • sam
    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks Sam – not seen that video published – I had not slept for two days after the very tough GS 5.3 run in Santa Cruz and I made a few mistakes such as ejected proton from Piantelli is claimed to be up to 6.7MeV not 5.6MeV as I said there, however, I was trying to do my best to point people to the body of work in the field.

      • Thomas Kaminski

        Nice talk — thanks for recording it.

        On another note,, I recently heard a talk on using nano-wires of magnetic materials for a host of interesting processes. They use electrochemical processes to build up layers of different materials and can make consistent wire 10 nanometers in diameter and up to a millimeter long. Several of the research activities are to coat the material with compounds that allow cells to “ingest” the wires. They then spin the wires in a rotating magnetic field in order to “macerate” cancer cells. Perhaps they could be used for the biological transmutation efforts..

        The speaker, Bethanie Stadler, was recorded on IEEE-TV giving a similar talk here:

        http://www.ieeemagnetics.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238:bethanie-stadler&catid=78:2015-distinguished-lecturers-&Itemid=165

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Interesting. There is a trace of deuterium in the hydrogen.
        So, maybe the MeV protons are from following Oppenheimer-Phillips, (d,p)
        reactions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppenheimer–Phillips_process

        Ni(60) + H(2) > Ni(61) + H(1) 5.6 MeV

        Ni(58) + H(2) > Ni(59) + H(1) 6.77 MeV

  • sam

    https://youtu.be/6r77kW20qiI

    https://youtu.be/1Z7FXK_2CAc

    Comments from Mart Gibson video.

    COMMENTS • 3

    Add a public comment…

    James Rovnak
    Interesting! How does this compare with Norman Cook & Andrea Rossi’s theory?
    1 year ago•1

    Mart Gibson
    +James Rovnak You will have to ask them. I have communicated briefly by email with Norman and he recognized the geometric similarities with his face centered nuclear lattice. He seemed intrigued. In fact I suspect it was his viewing of this video that got the viewership ball rolling. If you are really interested in the fundamentals to this subject, I recommend you view some of the theoretically based videos at the YouTube channel under my name. They reiterate on a more fundamental particle level the geometry of Cook’s QND, which I believe is correct based on my cursory review. My understanding is that Rossi has been consistently taciturn about his work, and I know nothing further of it. I spoke with Peter Hagelstein at some length about a month or so ago about the subject. He has recently been investigating the tetrahedral interstitial regions of the palladium lattice, and said he had a paper in review that addressed these regions. I have not read it. I don’t believe the granularity of the lattice is involved, though I would surmise that the granular boundaries would tend to collect helium. I believe the tetrahedral interstices near the surface of the lattice in conjunction with deuterium saturation of the lattice are key. With respect to quantum phenomenology of my other videos, my approach is that fundamental particles are actually classical oscillations of an underlying spatially continuous substrate with an extremely high bulk modulus. As such the oscillations, operating at a characteristic frequency based on the inertial density of that substrate under the stress of ongoing cosmic expansion, can best be understood using classical wave analysis and the stress/strain relationship, with which you as an engineer will be well acquainted. What are called fundamental particles by the standard model of physics, quarks and leptons, are clearly an interaction of the nodal and anti-nodal components of these oscillatory structures in high energy collisions. I have used, but now hesitate to use the term waves for this phenomena, because it conjures images of planar waves in a liquid medium, which is an inaccurate representation. Such oscillation is more like an instance of microscopic internal friction of an extremely dense solid that exhibits isotropic torsion which resolves to orthogonally oriented directions. The result is an initial torsional displacement that oscillates while rotating in place, creating the neutron. Such rotational oscillation prevents dispersion of the oscillatory energy, as the primary nodes rotate in space at a yoctohertz frequency. Continued expansion of the substrate results in a drop in mechanical impedance and a transmission of energy and power at the leading node as the electron which we register as beta decay. The fundamental oscillation losses some energy and therefore frequency to become the proton. This is basic structural engineering and it gets lost on theoretical physicists. I hope you will find it of interest, pursue the links, and let me know what you think. If you will pursue the matter, you will find a model which, arguing from first principles, correctly predicts to 8 order of magnitude in most cases, the basic observed quantum, as well as some macro, properties of spin, the quantum nature of gravity, charge, magnetic dipole moment, neutron/proton/electron mass ratios, the nature of anti-particles, Newton’s gravitational constant, the Hubble rate, etc. Cheers Mart Gibson
    1 year ago•

    Ian Walker
    Excellent video Sir
    1 year ago•1

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks Sam – not seen that video published – I had not slept for two days after the very tough GS 5.3 run in Santa Cruz and I made a few mistakes such as ejected proton from Piantelli is claimed to be up to 6.7MeV not 5.6MeV as I said there, I also probably got the individual e-cat module rating wrong. However, I was trying to do my best to point people to the body of work in the field.

      Obviously I am speaking to a bunch of students – so there is some colourful language in there..

      • Thomas Kaminski

        Nice talk — thanks for recording it.

        On another note,, I recently heard a talk on using nano-wires of magnetic materials for a host of interesting processes. They use electrochemical processes to build up layers of different materials and can make consistent wire 10 nanometers in diameter and up to a millimeter long. Several of the research activities are to coat the material with compounds that allow cells to “ingest” the wires. They then spin the wires in a rotating magnetic field in order to “macerate” cancer cells. Perhaps they could be used for the biological transmutation efforts..

        The speaker, Bethanie Stadler, was recorded on IEEE-TV giving a similar talk here:

        http://www.ieeemagnetics.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=238:bethanie-stadler&catid=78:2015-distinguished-lecturers-&Itemid=165

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Interesting. There is a trace of deuterium in the hydrogen.
        So, maybe the MeV protons are from following Oppenheimer-Phillips, (d,p)
        reactions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppenheimer–Phillips_process

        Ni(60) + H(2) > Ni(61) + H(1) 5.6 MeV

        Ni(58) + H(2) > Ni(59) + H(1) 6.77 MeV

  • Alan DeAngelis

    If Mn(55) + H(2) > Fe(57) happens in yeast, could the following be
    taking place in palladium saturated with deuterium?

    H(2)~Pd~H(2) > Cd* > Pd + He(4)

    Overall:

    2H(2) > He(4) 24 MeV (no gamma ray).

  • Alan DeAngelis

    If Mn(55) + H(2) > Fe(57) happens in yeast, could the following be
    taking place in palladium saturated with deuterium?

    H(2)~Pd~H(2) > Cd* > Pd + He(4)

    Overall:

    2H(2) > He(4) 24 MeV (no gamma ray).

  • Bob Greenyer

    MFMP preparing for *GlowStick* 5.4 and 5.5 experiments

    GS 5.4 and 5.5 are aimed to test aspects of Piantelli, Godes, Sarg and Holmlid theories

    https://goo.gl/k0NTAj

  • Bob Greenyer

    MFMP preparing for *GlowStick* 5.4 and 5.5 experiments

    GS 5.4 and 5.5 are aimed to test aspects of Piantelli, Godes, Sarg and Holmlid theories

    https://goo.gl/k0NTAj

    https://youtu.be/XH2enaAYeag

  • Anton Shevchenko

    To Alan Goldwater. About the word ‘ekzoyadernye’. Let me help with the translation. It consists of two parts. Ekzo- is the prefix and it basically means exo- (meaning heat producing), while ‘yadernye’ is an adjective meaning nuclear. Hope you get an idea.