A Picture to Explain e-capture (Gerhard Hunf)

The following post has been submitted by Gerhard Hunf

Some metals (Pd, Ni, ..) or their metal alloys “solve” large amounts of hydrogen, based on adsorbtion and absorption.

Adsorption is here seen as a kind of loose chemical bond between metal and hydrogen – on the surface, while the absorption is a deposit of hydrogen in lattice cavities.

It is known from investigations (DE 10 2008 047 334 B4) that adsorption of hydrogen on the surface of Pd/Li-alloys leads to an RT-Superconductor( Pd/Li/H) on the surface.

Inspired by. Fig. 3 from https://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.0139v1.pdf , the same picture of current-flow results when the massiv Superconductor – in Fig. 3 – is replaced by a superconductive coated conductor.

The result is a strongly different electron density in the environment of absorbed hydrogen in lattice cavities (for conductor and superconducting layer). The electron density in the conductor / superconductor interacts with the shell electron of the hydrogen, which is pushed by the repulsion of similar charges towards the nucleus. At a current density of 10exp6 A / cm2 in the superconducting layer, e-capture occurs.

Gerhard Hunf

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Which journal is “DE” in “DE 10 2008 047 334 B4” ?

    • artefact

      I think it is a german patent.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Which journal is “DE” in “DE 10 2008 047 334 B4” ?

    • LENR4you

      Process for the preparation of hydridic room temperature oxide superconductor on the surface of substrates https://google.com/patents/DE102008047334B4?cl=en&hl=de

      • hunfgerh

        Put this (Original)

        „Verfahren zur Herstellung hydridischer Raumtemperatur-Supraleiter auf der Oberfläche von Substraten“

        Into the google translater, you get that:

        “Process for the preparation of hydride-type room temperature superconductors on the surface of substrates”

        And not the nonsence

        “Process for the preparation of hydridic room
        temperature oxide superconductor on the surface of substrates”

        From where comes “oxide superconductor”?

    • artefact

      I think it is a german patent.

      Edit: https://www.google.com/patents/DE102008047334B4
      Edit: Viel Glück mit Deinem Patent Gerhard!

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Andrea Rossi February 6, 2017 at 7:28 PM
    JPR:
    Not considering the recent stop, we are at Sigma4.
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Andrea Rossi February 6, 2017 at 7:28 PM
    JPR:
    Not considering the recent stop, we are at Sigma4.
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

  • clovis ray

    The super conductors have came up before so i stright up ask Dr R if s/c were involved he said NO. ,,,,so.

  • Zephir

    The problem of the above explanation is, the superconductor doesn’t require any magnetic field for its formation – on the contrary, the magnetic field is killing the superconductivity effect. In dense aether model the superconductivity is the result of multiple effects, which have their origin in low-dimensional transport of electrons (whereas the cold fusion is explained with low-dimensional collisions instead).

    The electrons within superconductors behave like the repelling balls squeezed through narrow pipes – due to their compression the mutually repulsive forces of electrons overlap and compensate mutually, so that the motion of electrons becomes inert to motion of another electrons and also obstacles. The mutual compression of electrons leads into their wild motion and formation of massive de-Broglie waves around them, which further increases the above effect with entanglement of electrons.

    But in general the superconductivity effect is rather classical one and it can be modeled with plasma crystals for example. It can be also observed at quite high temperatures:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/49er5x/experimental_evidence_of_superconductors_with

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/4ypu02/new_photographs_and_video_of_373_k_superconductor

    Regarding the radial component of electron motion proposed at the above picture, I’m not very sure, if it corresponds the reality until the energy density of current remains low. The electrons gain the velocity component parallel with direction of their motion instead.

    • Zephir

      In general, the thin layer of superconductor is not needed, because the electrons are itself expelled toward surface in higher current densities due to magnetic field formed. Such an arrangement just brings the saving of superconductor material, but it can be also achieved by placement of bulk superconductor inside the magnetic field.

      • hunfgerh

        With the patent ““Process for the preparation of hydride-type room temperature superconductors on the surface of substrates”, as
        the name says, only superconductors can be generated on surfaces. That was also the point I would.

        In the P @ F experiment the reactions take place on the surface. To understand this was the only reason for my work.

    • atanguy

      “the magnetic field is killing the superconductivity effect. ”
      From the second link that you give below:
      (LENR) reactions may be enhanced in the presence of either an external electric or magnetic field,
      How do you explain this contradiction? superconductivity not necessary for LENR?

      • Zephir

        Of course – which cold fusion system is actually superconductive? In addition, most of cold fusion reactors operate better at higher temperatures, whereas superconductivity does the opposite. Articles of Gerhard Hunf or Axil Axil are just pushing here models based on particular behavior – but the corelation doesn’t imply causation.

        • hunfgerh

          Superconductor are determined by 3 parameters

          Sc = critical current density, Hc = critical magnetic field strength, Tc =
          critical temperature

          If you follow critical my articles, in the case of hydridic superconducter I say always Tc 120 oC

          Again, a difference to you, I want to understand P @ F, not Rossi, Parkhomov, MFMP…..

          So please do not mix.
          !End of discussion!

          • atanguy

            If you care to answer:
            What you say is that there is an e capture at 120 C in the F&P system with an exothermic “isotope shift”. For which element(s)?

          • hunfgerh

            For all Hydrogen-Isotopes, if Sc >= 10exp6 A/cm2 and T < 120 oC in the superconductiv layer.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Maybe he meant neutron activation of the Pd as an expectable side effect (see Table 1, p. 16 here: http://lib.dr.iastate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5000&context=rtd ).

            Possible decay products of the resulting unstable Pd isotopes would be Rh, Ag and Cd (via 111Ag). Both activation and transmutation should not be difficult to detect.

          • hunfgerh

            Your comment shows again the complexity of this topic. Simple answers, cannot given. Scientific responses can only come
            from an interdisciplinary team of chemists, physicists and electronics, who have special possibilities of synthesis and analysis. This is only possible in state and industrial research facilities.

            Articles/Comments here, I see as a “brainstorming” for decision
            analyzes what should be investigated and put into practice.

            The question arises, how should courts – Rossi vs IH – deal with this complexity?

  • Zephir

    The problem of the above explanation is, the superconductor doesn’t require any magnetic field for its formation – on the contrary, the magnetic field is killing the superconductivity effect. In dense aether model the superconductivity is the result of multiple effects, which have their origin in low-dimensional transport of electrons (whereas the cold fusion is explained with low-dimensional collisions instead).

    The electrons within superconductors behave like the repelling balls squeezed through narrow pipes – due to their compression the mutually repulsive forces of electrons overlap and compensate mutually, so that the motion of electrons becomes inert to motion of another electrons and also obstacles. The mutual compression of electrons leads into their wild motion and formation of massive de-Broglie waves around them, which further increases the above effect with entanglement of electrons.

    But in general the superconductivity effect is rather classical one and it can be modeled with plasma crystals for example. It can be also observed at quite high temperatures:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/49er5x/experimental_evidence_of_superconductors_with

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/4ypu02/new_photographs_and_video_of_373_k_superconductor

    Regarding the radial component of electron motion proposed at the above picture, I’m not very sure, if it corresponds the reality until the energy density of current remains low. In my theory the electrons gain the velocity component parallel with direction of the superconductive stripes instead. This effect, i.e. the attenuated speed and collisions of atoms squeezed withing narrow channels (nanocracks of atom lattice) can also explain tendency for nuclear reactions inside the cooled palladium samples saturated with hydrogen. This is very general effect in dense aether model, where the vacuum is in neverending motion: once we constrain the motion of some particle in one or more dimensions/directions, then it gains the speed of motion in the remaining dimensions/directions, because the energy density of vacuum remains the same.

    • Zephir

      The thin layer of superconductor is actually not needed, because the electrons are itself expelled toward surface in higher current densities due to magnetic field formed. Such an arrangement just brings the saving of superconductor material, but it can be also achieved by placement of bulk superconductor inside the magnetic field.

      http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/SC-LENR.pdf
      https://bradpierce.wordpress.com/2016/09/04/cold-fusion-lenr-and-near-room-temperature-superconductivity-a-usa-government-report/
      https://arxiv.org/abs/1608.01774

      In general the high current density or magnetic field have detrimental effects to superconductivity, because they lead into mutual separation of electrons due to Lenz forces withing magnetic field. What we would want is to force the electrons into collisions with protons without killing the superconductivity instead. IMO rather the usage of microwave field at well tuned frequencies (when the longitudinal waves would resonate with transverse waves of electron orbitals) could help the electron capture.

      • hunfgerh

        With the patent ““Process for the preparation of hydride-type room temperature superconductors on the surface of substrates”, as
        the name says, only superconductors can be generated on surfaces. That was also the point I would.

        In the P @ F experiment the reactions take place on the surface. To understand this was the only reason for my work.

    • atanguy

      “the magnetic field is killing the superconductivity effect. ”
      From the second link that you give below:
      (LENR) reactions may be enhanced in the presence of either an external electric or magnetic field,
      How do you explain this contradiction? superconductivity not necessary for LENR?

      • Zephir

        Of course – which cold fusion system is actually superconductive? In addition, most of cold fusion reactors operate better at higher temperatures, whereas superconductivity does the opposite. Actually cold fusion gets promoted just with magnetic field often.

        http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/10/09/anisotropic-magnets-produce-the-lenr-reaction-axil-axil/

        Articles of Gerhard Hunf or Axil Axil are just pushing here models based on particular behavior without deeper understanding of subject – but the corelation doesn’t imply causation.

        • hunfgerh

          Superconductor are determined by 3 parameters

          Sc = critical current density, Hc = critical magnetic field strength, Tc =
          critical temperature

          If you follow critical my articles, in the case of hydridic superconducter I say always Tc 120 oC

          Again, a difference to you, I want to understand P @ F, not Rossi, Parkhomov, MFMP…..

          So please do not mix.
          !End of discussion!

          • atanguy

            If you care to answer:
            What you say is that there is an e capture at 120 C in the F&P system with an exothermic “isotope shift”. For which element(s)?

          • hunfgerh

            For all Hydrogen-Isotopes, if Sc >= 10exp6 A/cm2 and T < 120 oC in the superconductiv layer.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Maybe he meant neutron activation of the Pd as an expectable side effect (see Table 1, p. 16 here: http://lib.dr.iastate.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5000&context=rtd ).

            Possible decay products of the resulting unstable Pd isotopes would be Rh, Ag and Cd (via 111Ag). Both activation and transmutation should not be difficult to detect.

          • hunfgerh

            Your comment shows again the complexity of this topic. Simple answers, cannot given. Scientific responses can only come
            from an interdisciplinary team of chemists, physicists and electronics, who have special possibilities of synthesis and analysis. This is only possible in state and industrial research facilities.

            Articles/Comments here, I see as a “brainstorming” for decision
            analyzes what should be investigated and put into practice.

            The question arises, how should courts – Rossi vs IH – deal with this complexity?

  • Zephir

    Please note that during some cold fusion experiments the strong magnetic field has been observed – such a magnetic field could be explained only by bringing the material into superconductive state with strong eddy currents in it.

    http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/10/25/kim-hadjichristos-publish-paper-on-defkalion-nickel-hydrogen/
    http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg84872.html
    http://pesn.com/2013/07/25/9602346_Steven-E-Jones_not-surprised_by_magnetic-anomaly_in_Defkalion_reactor/

  • hunfgerh

    Put this (Original)

    „Verfahren zur Herstellung hydridischer Raumtemperatur-Supraleiter auf der Oberfläche von Substraten“

    Into the google translater, you get that:

    “Process for the preparation of hydride-type room temperature superconductors on the surface of substrates”

    And not the nonsence

    “Process for the preparation of hydridic room
    temperature oxide superconductor on the surface of substrates”

    From where comes “oxide superconductor”?

  • hunfgerh

    When I look at the picture, I see an electrical coupled with a magnetic component. Could it be possible to use both at the same time? The electric field for e-capture, the magnetic field as an induction source. E-cat / X-cat?

  • hunfgerh

    When I look at the picture, I see an electrical coupled with a magnetic component. Could it be possible to use both at the same time? The electric field for e-capture, the magnetic field as an induction source. E-cat / X-cat?

  • TVulgaris

    The model above’s central section looks remarkably similar to the electric field distribution in an ordinary conductor with an ac current (the “skin effect”) of fairly low frequency- is it possible at rf and above frequencies field distributions are producing the kind of conditions at the surface analogous to this RTS?
    Since we’re kibitzing here…
    I don’t remember conductivity behavior in ultra-pure, single-crystalline conductors (since we never see them normally, and it’s been 30 years since I was looking at anything like that), so perhaps I’m just blowing smoke here, but it seems to me that ac fields allow for local delta-i around vacancies, dislocations, and the current mirror that occurs at surfaces of sufficient magnitude to “produce” inductance and reactance in what would otherwise be an RTS environment? That what we think of as a fairly exotic phenomena is utterly prosaic, but simply masked by nearly all ordinary conditions?

    • hunfgerh

      The middle part (material) in the model could be:-

      A normal conductor, a solid superconductor, a superconductiv-coated normal conductor

      The electricity could be:- DC or AC

      What is the picture for the current distribution?

      -Normal conductor / DC = distribution as in the model on the right and left

      -Normal conductor / HF AC = distribution as in the middle of the model (skin effect)

      -Massive superconductor / (DC/AC) = Distribution as in the middle of the model (Skin effect)

      -Superconductiv-coated normal conductor / (DC/AC) = distribution as in the middle of the Modell (Kirchhoff)

      I hope this is correct, I am not an electrical engineer.

      Important for the electron capture theory is only the last case

  • hunfgerh

    The middle part (material) in the model could be:-

    A normal conductor, a solid superconductor, a superconductiv-coated normal conductor

    The electricity could be:- DC or AC

    What is the picture for the current distribution?

    -Normal conductor / DC = distribution as in the model on the right and left

    -Normal conductor / HF AC = distribution as in the middle of the model (skin effect)

    -Massive superconductor / (DC/AC) = Distribution as in the middle of the model (Skin effect)

    -Superconductiv-coated normal conductor / (DC/AC) = distribution as in the middle of the Modell (Kirchhoff)

    I hope this is correct, I am not an electrical engineer.

    Important for the electron capture theory is only the last case