Rossi Recounts 2010 Naval Research Laboratory Test

Andrea Rossi today has written a brief account of a test that was apparently carried out at a Washington, DC lab connected with Naval Research Lab in 2010.

This is the Q&A from the Journal of Nuclear Physics today:

Miguel
February 23, 2017 at 6:10 AM
Dr Andrea Rossi:
Is it true that during a day in 2010 you made a test with the NRL in a laboratory of Washington, DC?
A top level officer of the NRL has written recently that the test was impressive ad that if it was a hoax it was a damn good one!
Can you describe?
Cheers,
Miguel

Andrea Rossi
February 23, 2017 at 9:43 AM
Miguel:
Yes, the day you are referring to happened in the Summer of 2011, in a Laboratory connected with NRL. I brought there my E-Cat and they monnted it in a rack of theirs to make their calorimetric measurements. A specialist of NRL measured the electricity consume by means of an oscilloscope of NRL, while several thermocouples set up by them measured the temperature of the water before and after the E-Cat. A flowmeter measured the flow of water. The test during the first day measured a difference of temperature that corresponded to a production of about 1 kWh/h of energy, while after half an hour from the start up ( around 9 A.M.) the system is gone in SSM ( Self Sustained Mode ) and the amount of the input of electricity consumed by the E-Cat has been zero for all the day.
The electricity consumed amount has been measured exclusively by means of the oscilloscope brought there by the specialist of NRL.
This is what happened during that day.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

We have had some discussion about an early test (see this post) which discusses email exchanges between Steven Krivit and Tony Tether, former director of DARPA, who reports having witnessed a test from Rossi which he said appeared to show clear excess energy production, and he remarked that “if it is a hoax, it is a damn good one”. I think that this test must the one that Rossi is referring to, based on his use of Tether’s quote.

  • Gerard McEk

    I am sure that a lot of decision makers must have seen the report of this, so why are we still where we are?

    • attaboy

      That’s the $64,000 question.

      • MasterBlaster7

        Have you ever seen the movie “They Live”……thats why:D

        • wpj

          One of my favourites.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            What would have been the other alternative?

          • roseland67

            Pekka,

            There is no better nuclear Engineering dept on the planet than the US Navy.
            “IF”, the Ecat worked as stated, and senior level Navy personnel witnessed it, they would notify the DOE & DOD and others to witness also.

            “Dr. Rossi, this is amazing, it will revolutionize global energy production, (of which the US government is the single largest user). Please wait here while I bring others in to witness and ask you questions of your Ecat.
            We will buy$100,000,000 just to power local merchant ships

          • Michael W Wolf

            That movie was so bad, and yet I love it so much. 🙂

    • radvar

      http://www.what-is-fracking.com/how-many-jobs-has-the-oil-and-natural-gas-industry-created/

      Oil industry supports 9.8 million jobs or 5.6 percent of total U.S. employment, according to PwC. In 2012, the unconventional oil and natural gas value chain and energy-related chemicals activity together supported more than 2.1 million jobs, according to IHS – a number that’s projected to reach 3.9 million by 2025.

      Uh oh…

      • LION

        It seems to me that most people have completely underestimated Andrea Rossi, where they plan hanging there heads after the court case we shall see. I think what he has accomplished is incredible, and the sacrifices he has made in pursuing this technology immense. RESPECT, RESPECT, RESPECT to you Andrea.

        • What has he accomplished? What can we undoubtedly verify that he accomplished?

          Yet we have only “Rossi says” and very vague “reports” which we can not trust because of possible loopholes.

          • sam

            I.H. Credibility is not that hot either.

          • Michael W Wolf

            Can’t go below zero. And IH had said didn’t work as Rossi claimed. Big difference. And if it didn’t work at all, IH would have taken Rossi up on his offer to return their money if they gave up licensing rights. It was a public offer and still stands. All IH has to do is accept it and this would all be over. What you are saying is hyperbole. The evidence just does fit your statements.

      • William D. Fleming

        Even so, it would be in the world’s best long-term interest to gradually transition to a superior technology.

        There is no justification for the government to suppress these reports IMO. New and better jobs will spring up.

      • Gerard McEk

        Yes, there are many reasons governments are willing to slow-down these developments. It’s a risk as other countries could become first bringing it on the market.

      • Omega Z

        All the chemical chain will continue as will the production of fossil resources. LENR will effect a much smaller portion of jobs many of which will be a matter of transition. As this transition will take decades, there should be very little disruption.

        The Iraq war was much about World economics and far less about U.S.. Merely look to where the middle east oil goes to then and now. Very little comes to the U.S. and even that is traded for U.S. product.

    • sam

      Because if they are government they probably are still
      thinking about it and holding off
      on the decision.
      Is this pay day?

      • sam

        JPR
        February 23, 2017 at 5:14 AM
        Update?

        Translate
        Andrea Rossi
        February 23, 2017 at 9:50 AM
        JPR:
        As a matter of fact, today I am in Manchester, NH, for the litigation, but I have been informed the situation is stable.
        Warm Regards,
        A.R.
        Does anyone know why he would
        be in Manchester N.H. for litigation?

      • Pekka Janhunen

        What could such decision be, concretely? A government can do many things and decide even more, but they cannot become Rossi.

        • malkom700

          These fundamental issues such as GW, introduction of new technologies raises the responsibility of political systems. In the event that, for example, China on these issues takes more progressive attitudes, it may mean that their political system is better? I do not believe it, but it seems so. Of course I firmly believe that it is only a temporary backwardness.

      • Gerard McEk

        I tried to persuade AR telling us where this test lead to (I assume the 1MW unit sold to a ‘military entity’). He didn’t want to confirm that, only that all tests are necessary. I assume the ‘military entity’ fully took it apart and studied it carefully. Probably they are now trying to replicate it….

        • Omega Z

          As the U.S. Military has been studying LENR since at least the mid to late 50’s, Probably they already have LENR technology locked up at Area 51.

  • Gerard McEk

    I am sure that a lot of decision makers must have seen the report of this, so why are we still where we are?

    • attaboy

      That’s the $64,000 question.

      • MasterBlaster7

        Have you ever seen the movie “They Live”……thats why:D

        • wpj

          One of my favourites.

          • Michael W Wolf

            That movie was so bad, and yet I love it so much. 🙂

    • sam

      Because if they are government they probably are still
      thinking about it and holding off
      on the decision.
      Is this pay day?

      • Pekka Janhunen

        What could such decision be, concretely? A government can do many things and decide even more, but they cannot become Rossi.

        • malkom700

          These fundamental issues such as GW, introduction of new technologies raises the responsibility of political systems. In the event that, for example, China on these issues takes more progressive attitudes, it may mean that their political system is better? I do not believe it, but it seems so. Of course I firmly believe that it is only a temporary backwardness.

        • Hot Fusion folks, fearing funding cuts, no doubt cast a deciding ‘vote’ on what to do, or not do, next.

      • Gerard McEk

        I tried to persuade AR telling us where this test lead to (I assume the 1MW unit sold to a ‘military entity’). He didn’t want to confirm that, only that all tests are necessary. I assume the ‘military entity’ fully took it apart and studied it carefully. Probably they are now trying to replicate it….

        • Omega Z

          As the U.S. Military has been studying LENR since at least the mid to late 50’s, Probably they already have LENR technology locked up at Area 51.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Is there any chance to get access to a written report? Maybe one of our readers from the U.S. could ask for a copy.

    See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_(United_States)

    • Omega Z

      FOIA only works if the Government is willing to admit something exists.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        At least, MY has been successful with his request for the report on Rossi’s thermoelectric modules:

        https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/2291-foia-request-of-the-munson-report-about-rossi-s-thermoelectric-claims/?postID=14560#post14560

        I did not study the document in detail, but it seems to contain nothing like “the technology does not work”, as has been claimed by several people. 16% conversion efficiency is not bad, although probably lower than promised.

        See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_generator#Efficiency : “The typical efficiency of TEGs is around 5–8%.”.

        • Omega Z

          Best way to destroy someone is to re-frame the story.
          This was a contract with LTI-Global which was founded by Rossi and 2 others. Rossi sold out his 1/3rd, but LTI continues and even now has a contract with the Government extending to 2020. This involved many people other then just Rossi including a University. This was much about feasibility.

          I have the Original DOD report.
          —————————————————-
          US Army Corps of Engineers
          Engineer Research and Development Center

          Application of Thermoelectric Devices to Fuel Cell Power Generation
          Demonstration and Evaluation

          John Huston, Chris Wyatt, Chris Nichols,
          Michael J. Binder, and Franklin H. Holcomb
          September 2004

      • US_Citizen71

        Yep, just ask any of the tens of thousands of sailors who viewed the synthetic line snap back film that the Navy claimed didn’t exist when the Mythbusters did their episode. I never understood that one, the old film was far more convincing than one with the fiberglass dummies that replaced it.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Is there any chance to get access to a written report? Maybe one of our readers from the U.S. could ask for a copy.

    See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_(United_States)

    • Omega Z

      FOIA only works if the Government is willing to admit something exists.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        At least, MY has been successful with his request for the report on Rossi’s thermoelectric modules:

        https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/2291-foia-request-of-the-munson-report-about-rossi-s-thermoelectric-claims/?postID=14560#post14560

        I did not study the document in detail, but it seems to contain nothing like “the technology does not work”, as has been claimed by several people. 16% conversion efficiency is not bad, although probably lower than promised.

        See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_generator#Efficiency : “The typical efficiency of TEGs is around 5–8%.”.

        • Omega Z

          Best way to destroy someone is to re-frame the story.
          This was a contract with LTI-Global which was founded by Rossi and 2 others. Rossi sold out his 1/3rd, but LTI continues and even now has a contract with the Government extending to 2020. This involved many people other then just Rossi including a University. This was much about feasibility.

          I have the Original DOD report.
          —————————————————-
          US Army Corps of Engineers
          Engineer Research and Development Center

          Application of Thermoelectric Devices to Fuel Cell Power Generation
          Demonstration and Evaluation

          John Huston, Chris Wyatt, Chris Nichols,
          Michael J. Binder, and Franklin H. Holcomb
          September 2004

      • US_Citizen71

        Yep, just ask any of the tens of thousands of sailors who viewed the synthetic line snap back film that the Navy claimed didn’t exist when the Mythbusters did their episode. I never understood that one, the old film was far more convincing than one with the fiberglass dummies that replaced it.

  • Jas

    Seeing as we had to wait about 25 years for information on those early 90’s naval tests to be released then who’s to say when the E-Cat info will be released too. It must still be classified.

  • Jas

    Seeing as we had to wait about 25 years for information on those early 90’s naval tests to be released then who’s to say when the E-Cat info will be released too. It must still be classified.

    • roseland67

      Jas,
      If it was a NAVY cover up, they would probably have said the test results were non conclusive or not convincing, no?

      Victoria , BC?

      • Jas

        I’m not suggesting its a cover up. Not releasing information is different to denying it exists. Secret military spacecraft reverse engineered from crashed ufo’s is a cover up. I’m sure the navy will tell us all about the Rossi test in about 2030.

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  • serot
  • roseland67

    If it worked as stated, why did the NRL team let Rossi leave the building?

    • Pekka Janhunen

      What would have been the other alternative?

      • roseland67

        Pekka,

        There is no better nuclear Engineering dept on the planet than the US Navy.
        “IF”, the Ecat worked as stated, and senior level Navy personnel witnessed it, they would notify the DOE & DOD and others to witness also.

        “Dr. Rossi, this is amazing, it will revolutionize global energy production, (of which the US government is the single largest user). Please wait here while I bring others in to witness and ask you questions of your Ecat.
        We will buy$100,000,000 just to power local merchant ships

  • Frank

    The test that Tethers attended was in NH. in Nov. 2009 at Rossi`s home. Rossi was asked about this not to long ago on his blog. I don`t think the results were all that flattering with the NRL.

  • wpj

    So, in contrast to what has been said, there has been an independent test of the e-cat.

    • Billy Jackson

      I don’t think that a demo of the technology qualifies as an Independent test. its Semantics to me.. as like you i would accept a report by the lab of their findings.. to me this is the slam dunk in court they need.. bring in witnesses that verified the test, watch IH and the look of doom as they loose the case…., you just are not gonna get a more reliable witness in the courts eyes.

      • wpj

        OK, from one Bill Jackson to another, independent instrumentation.

  • wpj

    So, in contrast to what has been said, there has been an independent test of the e-cat.

    • Billy Jackson

      I don’t think that a demo of the technology qualifies as an Independent test. its Semantics to me.. as like you i would accept a report by the lab of their findings.. to me this is the slam dunk in court they need.. bring in witnesses that verified the test, watch IH and the look of doom as they loose the case…., you just are not gonna get a more reliable witness in the courts eyes.

      • wpj

        OK, from one Bill Jackson to another, independent instrumentation.

      • WHAT is the difference between a ‘demo’ and a ‘test’? Is one a subset of the other? What differentiates one from the other?

        Would one not call this a ‘test’ since the ‘testing’ of the device was performed off the premises of the inventor, using the equipment of the independent lab?

        • Billy Jackson

          jim i am with you and would agree with you on principle. but you get alot of people here that would argue because Rossi was there.. its not independent. he set it up, he ran it.. they just took measurements while standing around talking with him for a few hours. In my eyes this is perfectly fine and i am willing to accept the results of said test.. but you are gonna have those that would scream.. he’s involved.

          • Michael W Wolf

            Rossi has performed tests, demos, and validation. Although many claimed the validations were not independent. Let alone the tests and demos. IMO there is no way to do an independent validation. Either people believe in it or they don’t, there doesn’t seem to be anyone qualified that is on the fence so to speak. Look at the Higgs Bison signature. People assume it was independently confirmed. But was it really? Since the independent people had funding to gain from this conformation. I don’t hear people running around claiming is wasn’t independent and yet they now receive millions of dollars in funding.

        • Michael W Wolf

          Well a test is different than a demo in that a demo implies onlookers who are not involved in the operation of the test.

  • Veblin

    Early E-Cat Test Witnessed By Former DARPA Director Tony Tether (New Energy Times)
    http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/07/06/early-e-cat-test-witnessed-by-former-darpa-director-tony-tether-new-energy-times/

  • LION

    It seems to me that most people have completely underestimated Andrea Rossi, where they plan hanging there heads after the court case we shall see. I think what he has accomplished is incredible, and the sacrifices he has made in pursuing this technology immense. RESPECT, RESPECT, RESPECT to you Andrea.

    • What has he accomplished? What can we undoubtedly verify that he accomplished?

      Yet we have only “Rossi says” and very vague “reports” which we can not trust because of obvious loopholes.

      The only thing we can verify is, that Rossi has (had) a now very disappointed partner which were able to get their own hands on a Rossi device and now claim Rossi’s device doesn’t work.
      Combined with a one year test, measured by a very dubious person which personally was at the test site only 4 (four!!) times during the whole time and now isn’t able to give proper response to requests by the court.

      Sorry, but Rossi’s credibility is now far below zero.

      • Disappointment, perhaps like a spurned or jilted lover? Maybe for you, however, this is not necessarily representative of the sentiment of all people.

      • sam

        I.H. Credibility is not that hot either.

      • Michael W Wolf

        Can’t go below zero. And IH had said didn’t work as Rossi claimed. Big difference. And if it didn’t work at all, IH would have taken Rossi up on his offer to return their money if they gave up licensing rights. It was a public offer and still stands. All IH has to do is accept it and this would all be over. What you are saying is hyperbole. The evidence just does fit your statements.

    • roseland67

      LION,

      There is zero downside to the ECAT working as stated, (Energy Out>Energy In)

      If Rossi has what he says he has, every detractor, myself included, will be proved wrong, admit their lack of faith, but still rejoice in a new clean, cheap, safe, reliable, global energy source, available to the masses.

      Imagine the improvement in the quality of life for hundreds of millions of people.
      Imagine the business opportunities incorporating the Ecat into everyday life.
      Imagine the many, many people employed doing same.

      Everyone hopes the Ecat works as stated, but few, precious few believe it does.

      • SG

        The detractors should not be let off the hook so easily. An example should be made of all them: cries of pseudo science for science-worthy research will be a thing of the past, especially if made by those who have something to lose.

        • roseland67

          SG,

          And the believers ?

  • simon gray

    This just makes me feel frustrated.

  • sam

    JPR
    February 23, 2017 at 5:14 AM
    Update?

    Translate
    Andrea Rossi
    February 23, 2017 at 9:50 AM
    JPR:
    As a matter of fact, today I am in Manchester, NH, for the litigation, but I have been informed the situation is stable.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.
    Does anyone know why he would
    be in Manchester N.H. for litigation?

  • archelon

    Didn’t Rossi say he invented his sobre caled rossi effect at the university of manchester nh. When the end is getting close he returns where it begun…..? Only gessing.

    • TomR

      Another interesting thing, Manchester is 45 miles South of Laconia, which is where Aavid Thermalloy, the new owner of Thermacore International, is located.

  • Jerry Soloman

    Just waiting now for Jed Rothwell to be brought to the stand in IH defense for the trial
    this summer, as Dewey’s expert witness.

  • Billy Jackson

    jim i am with you and would agree with you on principle. but you get alot of people here that would argue because Rossi was there.. its not independent. he set it up, he ran it.. they just took measurements while standing around talking with him for a few hours. In my eyes this is perfectly fine and i am willing to accept the results of said test.. but you are gonna have those that would scream.. he’s involved.

    • Michael W Wolf

      Rossi has performed tests, demos, and validation. Although many claimed the validations were not independent. Let alone the tests and demos. IMO there is no way to do an independent validation. Either people believe in it or they don’t, there doesn’t seem to be anyone qualified that is on the fence so to speak. Look at the Higgs Bison signature. People assume it was independently confirmed. But was it really? Since the independent people had funding to gain from this conformation. I don’t hear people running around claiming is wasn’t independent and yet they now receive millions of dollars in funding.

  • Michael W Wolf

    Well a test is different than a demo in that a demo implies onlookers who are not involved in the operation of the test.

  • Jas

    I’m not suggesting its a cover up. Not releasing information is different to denying it exists. Secret military spacecraft reverse engineered from crashed ufo’s is a cover up. I’m sure the navy will tell us all about the Rossi test in about 2030.

  • TomR

    Another interesting thing, Manchester is 45 miles South of Laconia, which is where Aavid Thermalloy, the new owner of Thermacore International, is located.

  • SG

    The detractors should not be let off the hook so easily. An example should be made of all them: cries of pseudo science for science-worthy research will be a thing of the past, especially if made by those who have something to lose.