What me356 Taught Us (Max Temple)

The following post has been submitted by Max Temple

What Me356 Taught Us

I’ve heard it said that there is no better way to learn than by hands-on experience. Me356, seemingly a highly successful replicator of the Rossi Effect, is a perfect example of someone who mastered a skill by continual and exhaustive repetitive practice. The over five hundred posts he made on LENR Forum accurately record his transformation from a curious entrant into the LENR field seeking information to an experienced cold fusion or LENR expert – with perhaps better alleged results than anyone else in the field except perhaps the inventor of the E-Cat himself.

By the time Me356’s writings ceased, he seemed to have accomplished amazing results: the ability to produce high COP with Ni-H, Ni-H-Li,and more exotic glow discharge systems. Not only did he claim the production of excess heat, but he eventually gained the know how to turn the effect on and off via a claimed modification of the electrical input frequency or waveform provided to his resistor. He never stopped seeking to more fully develop his understanding of these systems; moreover, before departing he stressed how he would be continuing his work to develop a long lasting, reliable, and convincing demonstration unit.

If he were to never re-appear (although he has told various parties in private communications he will eventually do so) his legacy would still live on in his writings. They contain a number of general guidelines, practices, concepts, and bits of overall theory that can lead replicators in a good general direction. Although he does not lay out in detail the plans for a proof of concept device capable of the higher power outputs he eventually achieved, his words are extremely valuable. They could potentially lead an individual or team of replicators to a highly favorable outcome.

Me356’s over 500 posts are a lot to go through and digest. Some of the earliest posts conflict with his latter ones after he’d gained more experience; many of his comments are short answers to other forum users; his wordings can be a little unclear at times. To get all the facts and understand his themes you must pay close attention to all his posts. Jumping into the middle of his posting timeline andca sually browsing would yield utter confusion: I know this from experience. So last night, I yet again reviewed every last one of his posts, from the first to the last. I carefully digested the meaning of each and fought hard not to interpret them out of context from his other writings. By the time I was done, I felt a new appreciation for his extreme curiosity, sacrifices (time and money), work ethic, broad range of skills, and ingenuity.

At the end of this article are a list of excerpts from many of his posts – along with a few of the associated questions that were asked of him. I consider these to be his most important posts that seem to convey especially important messages and information. By not including a specifically post, I am not dismissing it as unimportant. The simple fact is that five hundred plus posts can be overwhelming; many people may not have the attention span to read fifty. But I urge you to read and digest the posts I’ve included. They may inspire you to read through his entire post history!

Now, I’d like to try and provide a concise summary of what I gathered from his posts – the essence of what he attempted to share in the most refined way possible. I wish I could sum it all into a couple sentences, but that’s flat out impossible. So here is a short list of points that should convey what this true LENR pioneer attempted to share with us. Like everyone else, to achieve his success he stood on the shoulders of giants, but he could not have obtained such knowledge without dedication and hard work. We should take these concepts, study them, apply them, and then build on them.

The Essence of Me356’s 500+ Posts

1) Nickel is often dirty, inside and out: the surface of the fuel should be cleaned of oxides, the trapped gases should be vacuumed out, and after flushing with hydrogen the process should be repeated. Fuel preparation in this manner is very important and can resolve many problems. Significant quantities of hydrogen can be absorbed after such fuel treatments. But differing samples of nickel may require different extents of processing to absorb the same quantity of hydrogen. Likewise, they may produce highly varying levels of excessheat. Proper preparation is the starting point.

2) Even low surface area nickel wire and hydrogen gas from a tank can “work.” High surface area powders are not required.

3) If properly cleaned, vacuumed, and processed, nickel wire can “breathe” significant quantities of hydrogen in and out. In other
words, hydrogen can be absorbed and desorbed. The level of hydrogen taken up into the lattice or expelled can modify the resistance of the wire by up to 40%. Multiple techniques (dropping or increasing temperature and/or pressure) can induce inhalation or exhalation. Anexcited state of excess heat production can be achieved in such a manner that can last for extended time periods.

4) Pushing the reactor “hard” constitutes inducing the nickel to absorb or desorb hydrogen at a faster rate than normal. This further
excites the fuel – inducing higher levels of excess heat and possibly in extreme cases unwanted emissions, possibly neutrons.

5) LiAlH4, elemental lithium, or lithium hydride added to the reactor can serve two purposes, according to Me356. First, the formation and decomposition of LiH back and forth (controlled by temperature) can produce powerful pressure increases and drops – up to five bar in some cases. If managed carefully, this can enhance the intensity of the inhalations and exhalations. Secondly, various emissions from excess heat producing (excited) nickel can strike the lithium atoms and induce nuclear reactions, producing a second source of excess heat. Lithium is mentioned as a shortcut to excess heat for both of these reasons.

6) Although he never mentioned this specifically, I’m sure Me356 understood that until the hydrogen recombines, when LiAlH4 and LiH
decomposes atomic hydrogen (H1) is emitted. This is obviously why he suggested that repeatedly cycling – decomposing and reforming and decomposing again – lithium hydride (LiH) could provide the highest COP.

7) Molecular hydrogen only slowly adsorbs and dissociates into atomic hydrogen on nickel. The rate of atomic hydrogen production is what he considered to be the throttle that controls COP. He considered this to be the key of higher excess heat production and could be used to set the output of a reactor.

8) He eventually learned how to switch the excess heat of a reactor on or off by modulating or adding a frequency to the power supplied to his thermal resistor coil, wrapped around the reactor. Likely, this was capable of exciting the fuel via the production of atomic
hydrogen.

9) Moving away from nickel and hydrogen based systems to glow discharge tubes, he could further control the rate of H1 production.

10) He claimed there were lots of ways to achieve his level of results and even improve upon them. With absolute firm conviction, he
expressed how high powered NiH technology was a firm reality. Only his safety concerns stopped him from revealing more complete and organized details. Easy to replicate with the right know how and equipment; highly adaptable for use with various equipment and materials; capable of extreme levels of output. The sheer potential of his knowledge made him pause from sharing more.

If atomic hydrogen production and application to the nickel is truly the throttle for COP, then we have many options at our disposal. Each option, of course, would come with many design and engineering considerations along with different stimulation techniques. But the dramatic benefit of utilizing a form of hydrogen that can be rapidly taken up by nickel – eliminating the rate limiting steps of adsorption and disassociation steps on a nickel surface – should be taken advantage of.

In either fuel pre-hydrogenation or hydrogenation in an active reactor the following ideas of maximizing atomic hydrogen production could be tested.

– Slow initial heating of LiAlH4 from 100-225C to not waste initial release of atomic hydrogen before recombination at higher pressures.
Likewise, taking advantage of atomic hydrogen release during cycles of LiH decomposition.

– Addition of a hydrogen spillover catalyst to the fuel to accelerate the production of atomic hydrogen. Examples could be palladium (which Rossi likely used in his original fuel mixture), platinum, copper, or even nano-nickel of a smaller particle size than the micron-sized powder (if powder is being used at all).

– A hot tungsten filament or mesh (1600C -2000C or hotter) placed in the hydrogen environment as a heat source and atomic hydrogen
generator.

– A spark gap between electrodes in a hydrogen environment. This will not only provide an atomic hydrogen source, but an impulse or
shockwave of atomic hydrogen atoms towards the nickel. This may give hydrogen (molecular or atomic) on the surface of the nickel a strong “kick” to push them through the surface and into the lattice beneath.

– A glow discharge in a pre-hydrogenation vessel to disassociate H2 and direct the ions to nickel wire, foil, or powder positioned on an electrode.

Utilizing one or more of the above techniques – after cleaning, vacuuming, and H2 reduction of the the fuel for multiple cycles –
could dramatically improve the production of excess heat.

All of this requires testing and work: there are no guarantees. This field is still in its infancy and there are many unknowns. If he is correct and the extreme pushing of the nickel – with a high rate of hydrogen exhalation or inhalation – can produce emissions, there could even be risks some in the field might not expect. But the hard earned knowledge accumulated by this very REAL person should not be discarded or ignored. In fact, right now, I would step out on a ledge and proclaim that it’s the best information we have to go on!

For the record, I don’t agree with Me356’s decision to withhold more detailed and exact specifics (which could come in a number of
different forms) from the replicator community. I would love for him to provide a set of guidelines for building a basic Ni-H reactor, publish a paper going into details about his work/findings, or even responding to this article with additional information – tips, advice, theory, or even corrections! However, even if he doesn’t, we have a bread crumb trail that can enable skilled replicators to follow his footsteps towards the same results he obtained. He left it for us with his 500+ posts. Although, I’d love for him to connect a few more dots put together a couple more pieces of the puzzle for us. Almost an entire year has passed, Me356.

It’s time to throw us hungry kitty cats a bone or two!

 

Me356’s Most Seemingly Informative and Interesting Posts

(Please note that these are in mostly chronological order, starting his first post and ending with his very last messages. Also, many of
these are not entire posts, but only excerpts that have been selected.)

1) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=4534#post4534

For me and others it seemed like the process was about to start many times. But PID controller always gradually halted the power (to
maintain setpoint) so this process stopped always suddenly too

2) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=6188#post6188

It is likely that Rossi is using electromagnetic induction, this is why he is telling that AC is necessary. Nickel is electrical conductor, so it is even possible, that fuel itself is enough in the tube to make it work. You only need enough power. This is from my point of view better possibility why Parkhomov reactor works.

3) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=6190#post6190

Altough I believe that higher temperature = lower stimulation power for triggering LENR.

4) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=6194#post6194

I am in contact with Songsheng, his opinion is that direct stimulation is not necessary. He thinks that EM field created by rapid change of the voltage level is the reason for triggering LENR.

5) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=6322#post6322

Power level change in a coils will always create magnetic field. And this happened before LENR effect was observed always. Even one sharp spike could trigger LENR if the power is high enough.

My conclusion is that for Hot Cat only magnetic induction is used with a proper modulation and power. This will not require Mhz or Ghz frequency at all.

6) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=6769#post6769

I am thinking about making hydrogenation process better. For now it seems that it is needed to hydrogenate nickel in cycles. Maybe
succesfull replicators did it by mistake or intentionally. Also it is possible that if we want excess heat with just one
hydrogenation procedure we have to met more strict conditions (forexample vacuum from the beginning, optimal pressure range, certain
nickel type, ..).

7) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=6814#post6814

I am thinking about getting excess heat.. I believe that to achieve it, we need contant pressure change.

Following steps should be performed periodically:
1. load hydrogen with nickel (slow process)
2. release hydrogen from nickel as fast as possible (theoretically fast process)

During hydrogen release we can observe excess heat if the pressure change derivation is high enough until nickel absorb hydrogen again.

The problem is, we don’t know how to release hydrogen from nickel correctly. At least after latest experiments I know how to absorb
hydrogen by nickel quite well.

My theory is, that this is only caused by abnormal temperature change and possibly EM stimulation. Thus the heater should be as close as possible to the fuel, because thermal transfer is faster too. Hydrogen release from nickel can be easier, if Nickel has already
enough hydrogen in it and/or if the temperature is higher. Thus few cycles of hydrogenation may be necessary.

8) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=6819#post6819

Yes, this could be the event I am talking about – it could be the start of excess heat. I also think that we dont really need pressure
under the atmospheric. Only pressure change rate is important. Sudden increase obviously is starting the process.

9) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=6826#post6826

I suspect, that you can release hydrogen from nickel by either sudden increase or decrease of the temperature. So in case of good insulation you have to rather increase it.

10) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=6828#post6828

Good is, that with better insulation you can extend SSM. When LENR occur + temperature is high enough you can stop the power until the
temperature is low. Then again, you have to provoke sudden hydrogen release, wait for temperature increase and so on. So extending SSM is just matter of insulation and possibly greater release of hydrogen => keeping the temperature high as long as
possible => greater efficiency => higher COP.

11) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=6956#post6956

It is really great time for LENR.

I understand the process more and more. Instead of making it more complicated the process seems to be relatively very easy if you are
not thinking too much at the nuclear level.

The problem is, that we want just the device. But to make it work, we have to be good in few areas at the same time else it wont work at all. We are trying to replicate Hot Cat, but this is relatively the most complicated device we can build in the sense that we have to be very lucky. There are too much ifs. Trying different combinations takes very long time. But it is probably very safe.

I am convinced that to get excess heat itself we do not need any magnetic stimulation or anything special if we are not talking about
Hot Cat. There can be part of the process, that needs external stimulation, but the core process will really not need it. Stimulation could be only prerequisite for other factor, that is causing excess heat.

And it will work with more materials. Nickel – Hydrogen system is just the cheapest as far as I know.

– Main feature is, that the process is cyclic.
– Period could be 10s or even few days long.
– The whole process is very similar to breathing.
– We can get extreme COP easily, but the process may be dangerous
because of excess radiation.
– Neutron bursts are created in a greater extent with respect to COP
we intend to get.
– It can work in wide range of temperatures – this is dependent on
used materials.

12) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1950-huge-news-e-cat-us-patent-granted-50-ni-20-li-and-30-lialh4/?postID=6994#post6994

Lithium alone can make triggering much easier with low temperatures.

13) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1872-freethinker-s-replication-attempts/?postID=7092#post7092

Oh that is sad. Personally I do not want to exceed 10 bars never. If so high pressure is there then you should put less LiAlH4 or add
free volume there.

I have tested 4ml free volume with 100mg of LiAlH4 with good success. But I must say that there could be enormous difference between LiAlH4 from various sources.

14) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=7246#post7246

By the way, Rossi commented few minutes ago, that pure Ni-H fuel never produced excess heat in his case. This mean that Lithium will help a lot, especially pure lithium.

15) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=7336#post7336

I am testing various LiAlH4 powders and I have found really big differences in its structure, color and hydrogen amount.

It seems that one from Alfa Aesar I have ordered has maybe 20x more hydrogen than one I have used previously. So for good reproducibility it is better to get it from the same, verified source. This is because if you put somewhere exactly same amount as somebody else, you can get very different pressure.

By the way I wonder if it is possible to replace the fuel in a powder form for something like Nickel foil + Lithium pellets + LiAlH4
pellets. This is because much easier manipulation and more safety. Working with powders is really dangerous as it can potentially fly anywhere.

16) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1998-news-from-andrew-hrischcanovich-modification-e-cat-proof-of-generating-excess-he/?postID=7374#post7374

I am thinking about the cell more and more. If the reason for excess heat is just in addition of hydrogen and better thermal conductivity, then getting excess heat is pretty simple.

We have to check, if this phenomenon is same or different from Rossi effect and if it is really LENR. So the difference is, that this cell is not generating heat from outside to inside and then back to outside, but just from inside to outside.

This mean, that hot cat type reactor can’t work without heating element that create additional heat from inside. For example in the
very same way as induction cooker. So the heat from inside can be just more efficiently transfered to the body. If the heating element is not in hydrogen atmosphere, then it can’t boost thermal transfer so we will not get excess heat.

Is it really so primitive?

17) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=7382#post7382

As you can see heat conductivity of the hydrogen gas is 26.85x higher at for example 6 bars then air at 1 bar.

18) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=7386#post7386

And/or when enough power is applied you can heat the material inside the tube by electromagnetic induction. This is the reason why excess heat is observed by bigger power change even with DC voltage. Even induction with pure AC is not so efficient way to heat something metallic in the tube, you will need spikes, preferably rectangular pulses with kHz frequency to obtain better efficiency. In Parkhomov setup there may be lot of spikes.

19) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=7424#post7424

I am not sure In the part how excess heat is obtained. But I think that direct heating (from inside) or by induction heating
can create much faster impulses for triggering LENR than with pure resistive heater that is outside the core.

That mean that you can create much higher derivation in the temperature which can induce fast release of hydrogen from nickel. And
in this way LENR can start much easily.

20) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=8128#post8128

I am still very busy, but I have tested brand new induction heater and it works quite well, but for higher power it needs water cooling. I have also made circuit for regulation so the temperature can be controlled quite well.

Another experiment that I am doing is to find exact reason and behavior of the pressure inside the reactor. Because I am convinced that there are at least two separate processes I am playing only with Lithium + LiAlH4. This allows me to exclude Nickel as possible reason for pressure changes so I can focus just on these compounds.

Result: I was able to change the pressure on demand +/- 5 bars only with the temperature – this is the key process to boost excess heat – it is not initiator of it, but only accelerator. This process is happening around 700°C.

First process that I am talking about is Excess heat from Ni + H reactions. From this process you can get probably COP of around 1.2.
Second process is LiH composition and decomposition. With ratio between Hydrogen and Lithium you can control the rate (how fast you
can change the pressure, respectively how fast LiH can be composed/decomposed).

2 Li + H2 → 2 LiH
The higher rate mean higher COP.
If I understand it correctly, when you combine these two processes you will get excess heat of virtually unlimited COP. COP of 6 should be still very safe. This process can be possibly replaced by pumping the hydrogen from a tank, but it can be dangerous and more prone to mechanical failures.

Because of Lithium, we are interfacing a big problem that it reacts with many materials, especially Alumina!! Thus the second process will fail mostly even before it can happen. This leads mostly to a breach and hydrogen escape + contamination of the fuel.

What I highly recommend is to not use Alumina tubes or to use a proper fuel container. I have observed that Lithium will react in
irreversible way and as soon as it happens the experiment can end.

The conclusion is very important for all replicators – until you are unable to control the pressure, you can’t get noticeable excess heat. If you can control it well, you can get very stable reaction. As I said earlier, it should periodically breathe. Constant pressure changes are also demanding for used materials, so there are many, many reasons, why the replication is so hard.

21) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/2139-tube-reactor-design/?postID=8428#post8428

Yes, it is related with the pressure and loading process. I have mentioned it more times, but because results are not perfectly
reproducible yet and I don’t know for sure why, then I can’t tell you anything particular. I think that we have to control the pressure so we will be able to release the hydrogen as quick as possible and then load it as fast as we want. I know it is possible even in range of 250 – 400°C very well.

I think that this is the most important thing that we should investigate right now. As soon as we will know how to control it, we
will be able to drive LENR in a very stable way with great possibility for SSM. I have found only basic principle how to control it. Also without pure lithium it is not possible (at least in a lower temperatures).

22) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/2153-rossi%E2%80%99s-cat-and-mouse-reactor-technology/?postID=8452#post8452

Axil, Mats002: You are right, I think that we are slowly revealing reaction. I am not good in theory, but I have gained a lot of practical knowledge in the very same way as Rossi did.

I think that I understand mouse and cat in the practical way so when I will be able to realize it, I will be able to achieve very high COP. There are many chemical and few nuclear aspects that are very important in both mouse and cat.
Hopefully I will be able to write some paper about it.

What I am trying to say for long time here is, how Cat part is working in the practical way. Pressure is the most important factor here that we must control perfectly. It is cyclic process.

There is period for heating the reactor surface. Then there is another where power is turned off (SSM mode) or throttled when you are trying to cool the surface as slow as possible. In the first period you want to release extremely high amount of hydrogen as fast as possible so you will boost the Mouse process. Another reason is because heat transfer is much better in high pressure of hydrogen. So you can boost COP of the mouse process by few times from usual (low) COP. At this moment you can heat the surface
very quickly as well.

In the second period, the intention is to maintain so high temperature as long as possible above a threshold. So you want that previously accumulated temperature is not lost in the environment but stored and used. In this part achieving very low pressure (or even vacuum) is beneficial to insulate the heater and thus to lower thermal conductivity inside the reactor.

So this is the reason, why you want to release hydrogen on demand and then load it when needed. There is nuclear and chemical reason why you want to do that.
Amount of released pressure is directly responsible for the COP value.
If you will release 15 bars, COP could be for example 3.
When you will make the heat storage more efficient, second period can be much longer. Thus you can for example double the COP just by making good and efficient design.

Everything must be designed very cleverly to not waste heat and to make heat transfer as efficient as possible to gain the highest
possible COP. This is how E-Cat is probably working.

22) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/2139-tube-reactor-design/?postID=8520#post8520

Indeed I am not able to find any other reason. But we have to be still skeptical. But in case that there is any error, it was repeated very well.

Tommorow I want to refuel it. It is not possible right now, because humidity is 90% at the moment. I am very curious, if it will be possible to get higher COP with higher pressures.

In case that it is really LENR, then adding pure Lithium can boost it extremely. Because of this, I want to buy Neutron detectors as soon as possible. Rossi have found the limit so that Neutron emmission is very low. It is possible that one day we will get uncontrollable reaction which may be really dangerous. From my point of view LENR may be very safe, but if you want, you can
make really bad things.

23) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/2159-swedish-scientists-publish-paper-claiming-%E2%80%9Cponderomotive-forces%E2%80%9D-explain-lenr-ma/?postID=8541#post8541

Basically you should be able to do this even with normal coils th induction heater has very small resistance and it can propagateat we are using. But magnetic field very well.

When you are able to modulate the frequency as needed, you can:
1. heat the whole tube to achieve required temperature
2. heat only specific particles in the reactor
3. do it together or separately when needed.

So you can govern the reaction very well with this.

24) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/2139-tube-reactor-design/?postID=8544#post8544

Experiment is running again.This time there is 250mg of LiAlH4. I have to say that LiAlH4 that I am using in this experiment has very small amount of stored hydrogen when I am comparing it with Alfa Aesar stocks. This one is from local chemist (same as in the previous
experiment).

I have carefully checked the reactor before loading and there were no visible changes inside and outside the tube and also there was nothing like I have seen before (no strange structures on the wire.

25) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/2139-tube-reactor-design/?postID=8705#post8705

I also think, that the reason why we are not successfull with Parkhomov replication is, that there must be good modulation of the
signal. I can imagine, that you can use a normal heater similarly as induction heater. You can even use it in the way, that you can heat the surface, but you can also induce current in the fuel which could then emit own infra radiation in the reaction chamber. And you can do this in the way, that you can control it as you wish, thus you can achieve closer frequencies by changing infra radiation spectrum.
By this control mechanism, you can control also neutron flux (if Swedish theory is correct).

If there is no modulation or it is inapproriate, then we will need really a lot of power which will destroy the heater. This is probably reason, why some replicators are successfull only with very high temperatures.

26) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1357-brian-albiston-parkhomov-replication/?postID=12351#post12351

But there are many ways how to do a proper stimulation in less “destructive” way. There must be lattice deformation. Also getting good loading Ni/H ratio can take at least few days of preparing the lattice.

What most replicators are doing is just start the experiment for few hours and that is all. Then another try with new fuel, etc.
Mostly the fuel is even more degraded with time because of inproper storage.

It is important to study loading capability and know when the ratio is good enough. Unfortunately with Parkhomov-like setup it is not easy task.

27) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1357-brian-albiston-parkhomov-replication/?postID=12359#post12359

Short duration of the experiments is not a problem. It can take just 30 minutes and you can find excess heat. The problem is, that fuel is not pre-processed in a good way. It is possible to prepare lattice with significantly increased loading ratio.
Very high loading ratio is one of the key to succeed. Even Palladium must be prepared correctly to load a significant amount of
hydrogen/deuterium so it is at least in a pure Beta state.

It is confirmed that extremely high loading ratios are able to generate significant excess heat. It was also many times verified,
that such process can generate even Tritium and of course radiation, even that excess heat is not evident.

We are playing with LiAlH4 which is decomposing in a relatively complicated way. And in my opinion what we are using is not too good
quality. Our cells are full of the air. During heating we can’t distinguish very well if the Nickel is loading hydrogen or lithium is forming lithium hydride or even some oxides (that are present certainly). Adding pure Lithium is complicating it
even more as it reacts with many materials agressively.

I agree that we should study behavior of a pure Nickel (or other
metals) + Hydrogen (or Duterium).

28) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1357-brian-albiston-parkhomov-replication/?postID=12361#post12361

To explain why the air is problem – it is problem because ions are colliding with such gas mixture that shouldn’t really be there.
Many impurities are degrading the fuel.

We really need to work with inert atmosphere. During cleaning of oxides one must work with flow of gas. Not with flow of air to form
even more oxides.

Yes, Parkhomov succeeded without any special instruments, but he evidently did some extra steps that are not mentioned and/or some
replication factors are not looking/are not presented to be important. We can’t be so naive to think it is so easy. It is very easy, if you know what to do.

29) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/2717-some-ideas-for-an-improved-parkhomov-replication-not-a-replication-thread/?postID=12689#post12689

I recommend to start with the basic things. Nickel and Hydrogen. Nothing more. If one can master this, then it can be improved gradually. If you want to mix everything and everything is unknown, it can totally mess the process.

It was confirmed many times, that pure Ni-H can generate excess heat. Why we are not thinking about this?
For example we even don’t know if used Nickel is good or not. If atmosphere inside the reactor is clear enough.

So with such replications we are trying to skip something fundamental. It is similar to writing a letter without knowing how to hold a pencil.

30) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/2596-glowstick-5-2-test-series/?postID=12829#post12829

Main purpose of the lithium in the reactor is to make it breathe as I have described few months ago. You can create sudden pressure changes in the reactor (of few bars) up and down just by faster temperature transitions. This is used for nickel lattice stimulation. Lithium is acting there in more areas, but this one is main task. You do not have to fill pores at all. Lithium can be replaced and
stimulation can be done in a very different ways.

31) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=16780#post16780

For this post I have returned to my older thread where I have tried to replicate work of Parkhomov. While I have changed some parameters I think that it could be still marked as e-cat replication.

Today I have tried to verify my latest findings – to find if I can get excess heat with 1 year old stuff that was used/designed for Parkhomov replication. Result: Yes, it is. Fuel was completely prepared today in a few minutes.

Now I am able to turn the excess heat on and off on will. This is something that allows me perfect verification and comparison.
Achieved COP was only around 1.5, yet I didn’t expected to be high as with my other reactors.

Please check attached photos.
One photo was taken while excess heat was On, second one while excess heat was Off (just 3 minutes later).
Can any skeptic explain me, how this can be achieved (other than with some source of heat) if you have no heater inside? And to maintain this for at least few minutes…?

Note that the glow was even 2 times further from the heater during the highest COP. Normally glow ends just under heater due to thermal conductivity. Also note, that temperatures of the heater are very same in both cases.
Power was also very same.

I can just say, that the fuel ends approx. 4cm far from the heater.

32) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=16784#post16784

As I said, same power, both with very same fuel. Right photo was captured 3 minutes later when I turned excess heat off (Yes, it is
possible). Absolutely nothing changed, just one is running with excess heat second one without. It is identical reactor, but photo was captured 3 minutes later. Later I have turned excess heat On again.

Temperature of the heater is also same. You can see that the heater is heating stainless steel tube. But stainless steel tube on the left is glowing “on its own” even on the place where heater is not present. If you know what is thermal conductivity of a stainless steel you will see that something is really strange on the left photo..

This is nothing to convince anybody. Just something for thinking..

33) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=16796#post16796

Thermal conductivity is same in both cases. Internal and external pressure stays perfectly same. And even after changing it a few bars
it can’t produce such difference in any way (Tested a few times).

Temperature of the heater was kept constant with 0.1°C precision by controller. Alternatively I can make constant power – I can drive my
reactor by any variable.

34) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=16801#post16801

H-G Branzell: the position was not changed. I have not touched the reactor at all. It didn’t moved a single milimeter in any way I can
imagine. But you are right that this effect could be done in this way. But it wasn’t.

35) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=16837#post16837

Thank you.
I am working at least on a three very different reactors while one is ready for production. I have verified it many times and it works for half year.
Because of latest findings I believe that COP of 7+ can be achieved with a new design that utilizes plasma. This design is even not patented and probably can’t be.
I want to not use lithium since it is very problematic and its usage throws many problems and instabilities. But it is easy way to get high COP, easy from the beginning. Hard to maintain for longterm.

36) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/2850-me356-celani-ni-wire-replication/?postID=16849#post16849

My wire was not oxidized nearly at all – it was already shining (silvery) from the beginning.
I have treated it with hydrogen always. At the beginning (first experiments) it was only LiAlH4 powder that allowed to achieve COP of
1.6. I had no equipment as today.
Now I do not use any powders. Only H2 and vacuum pump. Vacuum pump can pump all the impurities out. After treating the nickel is shining even more and after repated hydrogenation it is able to change the resistance even by 40% up and down in a few seconds.
This mean that hydrogen loading ratio is quite fast and it has great impact on the lattice.

37) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=16854#post16854

You are right, but I wanted just to express that it is not “absolutely” necessary.
With a proper construction you can still change pressure without
affecting Li/LiH – for rapid research it is very usefull.

38) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/2850-me356-celani-ni-wire-replication/?postID=16873#post16873

Dear Prof. Celani,

thank you very much for your input! Really appreciated!

I have already learned a lot from your papers (and MFMP)! For sure I have to study more from your work.

My personal theory is that producing atomic hydrogen more effectively is key to achieve higher COP. Atomic hydrogen that was created before can then enter a transition material directly without too much “effort”. When transition material is then temporarily stressed it can yield excess energy, in very simple words. If you can do this very often, very fast and without material destruction, the highest COP is achieved.

If rates of atomic hydrogen production vs recombination back to H2 are correct it will produce additional heat and H2 can be recycled without a loss.

But there are so many things to try, that one can spend whole life to understand the process.

39) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=16898#post16898

Tarun: Yes, for sure there are many mechanisms how you can do so. When you check published patents, you can see at least few ways how to trigger and turn off the excess heat. Changing pressure, gas, mixture, electrical stimulation, ionizing source, sonic wave, etc.

I can say, that with any missing part of the fuel it will not work during the same condition.

Paradigmnoia: No, no heating element inside. Each reactor type has advantages and disadvantages.

stefan:
* Chemical energy? – maybe, but at the temperature that was present
everything was decomposed.
* Released energy in a phase change? – rather no, state of the excess
heat can work for long time.
* inductive heating? – can’t be. This is stainless steel, it can’t be
heated with AC from the heater and with the power that was present.
With true induction heater (that I’ve also tested) it will not heat
stainless steel too much at around 50 KHz. You will need much higher
frequencies and higher power – but what is really missing is a coil
around the area that started to glow.

40) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=16907#post16907

Hank Mills: Welcome to the forum.

First from all I want to say, that I will share all the details, but for now I can’t answer each question. I hope that it is
understandable. Either due to lack of time.

1. Nickel, Lithium and H2. But different combinations will work. Even
trace amount of lithium can be enough.
3. All and repeatedly.
6. I believe that LiAlH4 can work in a few ways – you can get stable
output. Aluminium is throttling the reaction, especially in a higher
temperatures can be benefit. All in all lithium is very reactive and
will react with the chamber sooner or later.
7. I believe that LiH is not needed at all. It can be good to maintain
reaction stable (turn it on and off when needed). But similar thing
can be done also with LiAlH4 (due to fully reversible reaction).
8. Li as vapor will work.
10. Yes, I think so.
11. Damage and reaction with materials you do not want.
12. I have not tested it yet, but I am convinced that it will work at
least for a few seconds. Especially after some modifications.

I hope that it can help.

41) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=16965#post16965

wishfulThinking: pure Lithium in a wire form, temperature was approx. 960°C on the heater. Internal temperature was so high that nickel melted at the end of the test.

I have already created design that allow precise calorimetric measurement nearly without thermal losses. I can connect my reactor even to a water grid, tank, etc.

42) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=16983#post16983

eros: Fortunately no.
Jack Cole: Yes, I have tried it a few times.
wishfulThinking: I recommend so that the pressure is around 1 bar absolute – without external control it is not too easy. Because of
safety and reactor integrity it is good to keep pressure low. Then you have to decrease it before triggering excess heat.

Normally the problem is, that LiAlH4 will give you too much hydrogen, on the other hand you have not too much Lithium for the reaction. So you have to wait very long time if you have no additional pressure control until the pressure is low enough – can take hours – weeks if it is a wrong ratio.

To allow reversible reaction of LAH that will give you good “control” you need more Lithium – this is very dependent on the composition of LAH.
Alternatively you will lack aluminium if the reaction is too strong if too much of pure lithium was needed to add (but I guess that this is acceptable for the first tests).
I recommend to not use LAH at all for the first tests if you have an external pressure control.

43) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=16985#post16985

Stephen Shorland: I think that parallel and serial connection of the
reactors where one can interfere with each other can lead to these
results. For example if there is some output from one reactor that can
stimulate reaction of a second reactor (unused output – e.g. some sort
of radiation) it can be utilized for boosting the reaction when second
reactor is in SSM. By such cascade you can achieve much longer SSM
periods just because you can cleverly harness all the output products.
Thus COP can be multiplied a few times even that the basic technology
is very same.

44) DSJM’s QUESTION
https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=17036#post17036

Me356

Thankyou for publishing your observations. While I am ok if you won’t answer, but am interested to know if you ‘switching’ technique
involves pulsing the heater current for a set period at particular frequencies and with a modified waveform.

It is great to hear you have had one of these unit s working for 6 or so months.

thanks Doug Marker

45) DSJM’s OTHER QUESTIONS
https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=17051#post17051

me356 (SORRY for duplicate post – my earlier one didn’t show after several hours – then appeared immediatly after I posted this one ?)

Thankyou for having the courage to post your very interesting experiments here for us to read about.

I am delighted that you are being treated respectfully and the questions are all thus far sensible and supportive. The value of
positive support can never be underestimated.

I have questions that you may or may not be willing to answer and that is fully understood. But if you are willing to cover any aspect please do. It relates to your activation of the excess heat and any details will be welcome.

Q1) The question is do you trigger the excess heat by pulsing the heater current for set bursts at any particular frequency and with any
modified current wave form.

Q2 A) Are you able to de-active when you want (am assuming you have already said this can be done). Is that achieved by varying the
current to the heater coil rapidly downward for a period of time, or by a burst of current using a different wave-form.

Again, thanks for your openness.

Doug Marker (DSM).

46) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=17054#post17054

BEC: Excess heat production with lithium can be started even in temperatures around 450°C, but a proper equipment is necessary.
Temperature around 700°C is more realistic.

wishfulThinking: I am preparing the fuel long enough so that it can load hydrogen very rapidly. 200°C is good temperature for loading.
With one nickel sample it could take a few cycles, with other it might take long time. I am convinced that even nickel foil might work well if prepared correctly.

Dsjm1: Partially yes, but I am convinced that even with a pure DC you should be able to get excess heat.

Hank Mills:
1. I think that this is correct.
2. There are many things related to timing. Longer the reactor is
running, a bigger possibility for reaction with other materials.
Bigger possibility for formation of unwanted compounds (especially
with lithium). The fuel and hydrogen atmosphere can be contaminated.
3. Yes
4. It depends on a design of the reactor.

Dsjm1: Q2 A) Yes. No. No.

iamdrsvp: No, it isn’t. Power of the heater is unchanged, but for sure changing the temperature rapidly can be also reason for triggering excess heat.
Such changes are unfortunately affecting many things at the same time, so if one is not in a good range, it will not work.

47) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=17105#post17105

wishfulThinking:
1. It is possible.
2. Hydrogenation process took about 1 hour in my latest experiment.
3. Yes, especially if there was a fuel in the chamber.
4. Having good vacuum pump to pump everything out is desirable. I
recommend a vacuum pump that can reach at least 10 pascals.

48) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/2850-me356-celani-ni-wire-replication/?postID=17337#post17337

Today I was able to get excess heat again with COP near 2, then reactor failed due to a bad sealing that started to melt. Reactor was
much bigger than previous time thus produced energy was in range of 1kW. This time I was able to trigger excess heat from 350°C external, then temperature increased to ~700°C external just in 4 seconds. Internal temperature was higher.

What is very interesting that I have verified that lithium can be placed nearly anywhere in the fuel chamber (not in contact with
nickel) and still it is working and affects whole fuel batch. This is what I have observed more times.

What is also interesting that excess heat was not coming from part of the reactor that was hottest previously. Rather areas that were more clean from oxides were glowing significantly more. In simple words – few areas of the fuel were hotter (100°C difference)
than area that logically should be more hot due to joule heating hot spot. So the excess heat was not dispersed uniformly along the fuel.

Today I think that sort of SSM was achieved, altough lasting just a few seconds. During this period power was zero yet temperature was rather constant – then suddenly decreased because of reactor failure.

I was testing also a new radiation detector Si-14B and I must admit that beta radiation was elevated by 2-3 times. Development was rather not dependent on the excess heat production, but I have to investigate
it more.

49) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/2850-me356-celani-ni-wire-replication/?postID=17363#post17363

Mats002: I can promise that I will share all the information needed for successfull replication in very near future.

Hank Mills: Yes, you are right. With pure Ni-H system higher pressure can give you a higher COP. But also in case of Ni-H-Li high pressure can be benefit if you want to reach very high temperatures.

There are data available from approx. 1920 that are describing anomalous excess heat production with all the details. It is hard to
believe we are still using combustion motors.

50) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/2850-me356-celani-ni-wire-replication/?postID=17402#post17402

Don’t be afraid. There are at least 10 companies that are working hard on their reactors and already achieved very good results.
The only question is, who will be the first one?

There are easy and inexpensive ways how to produce atomic hydrogen without any catalyst and even to convert and hold it for required time in this state.

51) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/2850-me356-celani-ni-wire-replication/?postID=17769#post17769

Dear Francesco,

thank you very much for your comments! I am very glad that you are visiting this forum and giving us your knowledge.
It will be pleasure to discuss with you in any way.

Regarding my experiments, I have received all necessary materials. Now I have to construct new reactors and we will see.
One reactor will be 5kW prototype and second one will be utilizing plasma discharge in a non-arcing mode with very high H1 production.

52) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=18245#post18245

Hopefully tommorow new series of tests will start. At least one photo from the heater testing in the attachment – constant 1500°C is no problem there.

I am really satisfied with the current development. With this reactor there is potential for COP 5-10. We will see soon!

But paralelly plasma reactor is in preparation as well. Greetings, me356!

53) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=18318#post18318

Some news!

Reactor A melted, excess heat was present, fuel chamber boiled, hydrogen catched fire. Fail..

Reactor B (utilizing plasma) is made mainly from quartz tube. So the plasma is visible and it is glowing very nicely. This is not a
replication, but very different kind of reactor.

This reactor was not loaded with any Lithium, only trace of Nickel and mainly Tungsten. After tuning ionization parameters I have found something interesting. Abnormal temperature spikes occured from time to time. So I have tried to set optimal conditions. After a while of fine-tuning, temperature shooted so high that COP 2 was achieved. It was rather coincidence that I have proceeded in this way..

Because temperature increased so high (just in 1 second) I have immediately turned off the stimulation as I was afraid. I am sure that the COP would increase to at least 4. I have verified detectors, everything was in normal level. When turned off, temperature dropped immediately, but not completely and excess heat was still present (with logarithmic declination) for at least 10 minutes until returned to its original level (no excess heat).

Before I have started with tuning, I have found that there was high energetic neutron burst. So my focus stayed on the detector all the
time and fortunately I was unable to detect anything more.

Excess heat was triggered at 350°C.
Power level during the test was constant. Reactor glowed enormously (purple to white color). Plasma was in 3/4 of the fuel chamber, even
where anode/kathode was not present which was quite interesting.

Really satisfied! This experiment is probably moving the research to another level as the development and production can be simplified
significantly.

For today I have turned everything off – I have to check what happened.

54) Gerard McEk’s Post To Me356
https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=18344#post18344

me356 : It is all nice you write this for us, but can you also specify what you did: How were the reactors and fuel made, how did you act with temperature, pressure etc. during activation of the LENR reaction? By just announcing the results, you acting just like Rossi.
Please enlighten us! Tell us more, show vidio’s, proove you have done this. Only by doing that we may make progress. BTW the tungsten H2 reactor was first described by Irving Langmuir around 1911 and he found excess heat as well. I have also thought that would probably be the simplest test to prove LENR. Nice you picked this up!

55) Response to Gerard by Me356
https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/1275-me356-reactor-parameters-part-1/?postID=18355#post18355

I believe that all LENR reactors are working with the same or very similar principles. Only ways how to achieve it are different, because there are many options how to do so.

From my point of view, theory of operation is very simple. For example I really don’t think that black holes are involved there. Only a special conditions must be met. Once you know what you want to achieve, you can get excess heat anytime with many reactor types.

If you dont know, you can try years without a single result. If you know, it will look so bizarre you will not believe it can work.

I am controlling H1 production directly which in case of E-Cat is very hard. If I am right, it is possible to “set” COP where one wish to be.

As I have promised, I will share all my results. Please be patient. Do not waste time with Parkhomov replications, it might work, but only in a very special cases.

Yes, I know exactly results of 183W + p.

56) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/3225-me356-reactor-parameters-part-2/?postID=18672#post18672

My update: I have tested plasma based reactor for longer period of time.. Results are clear. Unfortunately the power that is under the lid is so strong I will probably not continue in this area. Reactor is emmiting neutrons a few days after the test!

With lithium COP might be exceptionally higher. Very rough estimate is COP of 10-50. But I am not skilled enough to be absolutely sure about safety which is reason why I will continue with reactors that are more safe. Emmissions (RF, electrons and UV) during the test were so strong that my control circuit was absolutely crazy even that it was 3 meters away – it is unusable.

Now I am playing with dangerous things that are clearly working.

I am afraid, but LENR is not safe as it looked initially. You can make a nuclear reactor with all the things you really don’t want.
Fortunately it can’t get out of control so easily. If power output is limited, you are safe. But there will be probably always some kind of potentionally harmfull radiation. Fuel and fuel chamber must be very clean from impurities to not get unwanted products.

Now I understand perfectly why Rossi is working on the e-cat so long. You have something that is working, you have a prototypes and you are nearly ready for mass production. Then you will find something amazing, that can increase the excess heat significantly so that
previous work is not important anymore. But there are again many difficulties and unknown things that it can take a few years to get a
fully working prototype based on the new discoveries, but it is surely worth. You can continue endlessly, because LENR is opening doors of something completely unknown and much more. not just energy conversion. It is possible that in 10 years, everything will be
completely different.

57) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/3225-me356-reactor-parameters-part-2/?postID=19312#post19312

Interesting observation today – To start the secondary reaction (Cat), Lithium should be in contact with Nickel or in “a direct visibility”. If there is some material, that will block products of the Mouse process, it will not work or it can be significantly throttled.

58) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/3225-me356-reactor-parameters-part-2/?postID=19339#post19339

axil: I think that there must be a direct channel. Diameter might be probably very small if we can change direction of the products (e,g, by magnetic field). I believe that it can pass a certain materials. Mica window could work. But without verifying we can just guess.

But from my experiments, it looks like it is not that easy. Lithium is also affecting the transition metal (Nickel) and at least from what I have saw, the heat is not comming just from lithium itself, but also from the nickel. Next interesting thing is how lithium is behaving in the reactor if it is in a bulk form (in some cases). When it is inside nickel (covered from each side) it does not react chemically with nickel nearly at all. At least if nickel is prepared well.

It is looking as if it is levitating inside and after excess heat it looks like a dried-fruit. So only peripheral surface will stay there (probably contamimants). Even alumina tube is not touched by lithium at all which is very good. No traces of vaporized lithium are found (at least optically) which mean the reaction was complete and extremely fast.

59) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/3225-me356-reactor-parameters-part-2/?postID=19355#post19355

I have prepared samples for close examination.

Yes, resistance of the fuel is dropping always in the latest experiments while Ni-H reaction is active. But exact reason for this
is not known yet. I can increase/decrease the resistance on will (mostly in range of 10 – 40% of the original value).

60) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/3225-me356-reactor-parameters-part-2/?postID=19516#post19516

Hank Mills: To make it work, you will need Lithium in vicinity or in a direct contact with Nickel. If LiAlH4 is used only for supplying hydrogen, you can use whatever else, but the reaction will be just Ni-H. Yes, removing aluminium will make the reaction stronger.

61) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/3225-me356-reactor-parameters-part-2/?postID=25371#post25371

What I really recommend is to use your intuition and not try to use replication guides as guaranteed and correct ways. For example there are descriptions what replicator did during initial phases, but there is not too much explanation why. What exactly happened and why is it needed? Conditions when excess heat is occuring are not documented nearly at all, nobody is asking what happened inside and why.
When you will find the answers, you will learn the value of such knowledge.

Replicators are spending a lot of time with things that are not necessary, waiting hours – days for “something”. Known recipes are
incorrect. You have to control the process, not that process is controlling you.

62) https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/3225-me356-reactor-parameters-part-2/?postID=26093#post26093

Charlie Tapp: Yes, one heating coil can indirectly work as stimulation too. Mouse and cat are two internal processes and can be completely independent. But you have to feed cat with mouses. You have to look at this from very different point of view. First it
is important to find where the excess energy is coming from. When you will find source of the energy, you will also find how to use
this energy. All questions will be answered by this finding.

Regarding plasma there are more reasons why to use it. There are more utilizations. For example arcing can be used in very different way than a glow discharge. Both can boost the effect, but you can also replace it with other phenomenons. LENR can be stimulated in many ways.

  • Bob Greenyer

    (RedPill)

    • Buck

      Bob,

      I have not followed me356 on the LENR-Forum and so I don’t know whether you have had a dialogue with me356, much less your assessment of the value of his information to the MFMP efforts.

      So, what is your assessment of the value of me356’s shared information to the MFMP results? Does he appear to be as solid as suggested in this article?

    • nietsnie

      I, for one, found this summation fascinating and useful. Thanks for spending the (seemingly enormous) time it took to put it together.

      • Max Temple

        Hello Nietsnie,

        Thank you for the kind words. Although I had reviewed his posts in the past, I spent a good twelve hours reading through all his posts, taking notes, and composing the article. The result, in my mind, is that we now have confirmation that what Me356 told Bob Greenyer is the truth: he has already given us a ton of information. I would say he has given our community everything we need to start moving forward. There will be various specific details to work out and plenty of testing to perform, but we can be pretty sure (in my opinion) we have a specific path to follow with a real, confirmed destination. Although we may get flat tire on the way or need to stop for some extra anti-freeze, at least we aren’t on a random highway to the boonies.

    • doug marker

      Max,
      A comprehensive excellent and clear summary. A valuable effort. Am certain many people will appreciate your effort.

      Thanks

      Doug Marker

      • Karl Venter

        Excellent work Max
        Your efforts are incredible and I found it very interesting as I neither followed LENR-Forum

        I enjoyed it tremendously thanks

        @bobgreenyer:disqus

        Is MFMP testing any of these?
        Would not mind if you could give a short plan of your future tests- Please?

        • Dan

          Me356 has refused to meet with Bob over the last year, repeatedly making excuses.

          This is the #1 reason I think it’s all an exquisite joke on you all.

          • The lengths that this person would have had to go to in order to pull this off, just for what — a trolling high? — is insane. Does a risk/reward analysis come in at any point?

            What’s the punchline here? That a guy running a business decided to try and make big bucks by selling fake reactors a la Rossi to investors instead and embarked on a year long effort to make it seem credible on LENR Forum?

      • Max Temple

        Doug,

        Thank you. I felt an overwhelming need to sort through, organize, and make sense of his claims. Now I feel we have a path forward. My only request is that you spread the word about me356 and what he taught us about producing excess heat with these systems.

    • Axil Axil

      #197
      A post by ME356 on the LENR forum

      #197

      StephenC: I have had some suspicion for a few times, but fortunately readings returned to the original values.
      Neutrons are yielded in a bursts. Short but can be intense, especially during ON/OFF cycle.

      My theory of operation is based mainly on the neutron reactions. Maybe these are not neutrons, but neutron capture mechanism can still work.
      Actually I have found a way how to produce these neutrons and with required energy range (but still need to be verified)
      In this way you can make reaction safe, but one failure of the control system could mean huge problem.

      The power potential is really huge. For power plants, this will be no issue, but advantage.
      The higher COP, the better shielding you will need (when considering a single unit) and such reaction.

    • Axil Axil

      #489
      Thank you very much for the comments.

      I am just telling you that it is real. You can call me fraud. Also you can ban me, if you wish. I have nothing to loose.
      I believe that my results can be replicated without any problem.

      I have not changed any of my decision and will do what promised. Things are going just slower. But again, I am not the only one.

      Right now, I dont want to team up with anybody else until the device will be in a testable condition, without my intervention. Yes, in case of any accident, my knowledge is already in a safe place. The plan will happen in any way.

      I have few kinds of particle/radiation detectors and all are confirming what I am observing without any doubt (either electric and non-electric/analog).

      Axil comments:

      ME356 is seeing subatomic particles and radiation and this confirms his observations.

      • Maybe we should explore LENR more as an antimatter annihilation engine instead of a nuclear reactor.

        Are positrons or anti-quarks involved somehow?

        • Axil Axil

          IMHO. strange matter mesons are involved.

        • sam

          Irving
          February 25, 2017 at 6:01 PM
          Dear Dr Andrea Rossi
          Whattaya think of the replication of Me356?
          You didn’t answer.
          Godspeed,
          Irving

          Translate
          Andrea Rossi
          February 26, 2017 at 4:48 PM
          Irving:
          I did not see yet a full report of it.
          Warm Regards,
          A.R.

          JPR
          February 26, 2017 at 2:41 AM
          Update?

          Andrea Rossi
          February 26, 2017 at 4:47 PM
          JPR:
          Good standing so far.
          Warm Regards,
          A.R.

          Marco
          February 26, 2017 at 4:39 AM
          Dear Andrea,

          reading some of me356 posts, give me an idea. To extend SSM time, the ECats or the QuarkX can be operated in a molten salt bath, the kind used in solar concentration plants (or others if 550C is not enough). The high thermal capacity of the bath can extend the SSM period, by not letting the fuel cool down. I don’t know if you already found a way to have long SSM with load (e.g. heating water up to steam), but if not, this can be a mean.

          Marco

          Andrea Rossi
          February 26, 2017 at 4:46 PM
          Marco:
          We already had a long SSM with a load. Thank you for your suggestion.
          Warm Regards,
          A.R.

  • Bob Greenyer

    (RedPill)

    • Buck

      Bob,

      I have not followed me356 on the LENR-Forum and so I don’t know whether you have had a dialogue with me356, much less your assessment of the value of his information to the MFMP efforts.

      So, what is your assessment of the value of me356’s shared information to the MFMP results? Does he appear to be as solid as suggested in this article?

      • Dan

        Bob G is clearly unwilling to vouch for me356. That says volumes in my opinion.

  • Rene

    Wow, this article looks to me like a classic internet ‘summary’ plus MarySue story. I’m not sure it adds anything to the conversation.
    BTW, I enjoyed reading me356’s ongoing LENR work. It looked like it was going well until he clammed up into secrecy mode. So, like Rossi, I have to treat me356 as yet another person who thinks they have something to make-money-fast. Therefore, their truth is in an actual working independently verified device or marketed product.

    • Max Temple

      Over 90% of the information in this article was included in Me356’s 500+ posts. However, to put together the collective theme and message he was trying to convey, it took some serious digging, analysis, re-reading, and crosschecks between posts. Basically, the directions he gave us were very unclear, scattered among a huge collection of posts — sometimes short, brief answers to questions. But now we have his message broken down and reformatted into a somewhat more coherent framework. Combined with the likely information we have about palladium’s tremendous ability as a hydrogen spillover catalyst (producing more atomic hydrogen during each inhalation so as to absorb hydrogen at a much faster rate), I feel we have a basic guidebook for how to progress forward. There are tons of details to be figured out. For example, it may take significant trial and error to fully optimize fuel pre-treatment (baking/annealing, vacuuming/degassing, oxide removal, etc), but I’m confident the community can figure all this out with a modest amount of testing (weeks or months and not years).

      When it comes to Me356’s secrecy, I will not deny the fact that he may want to see a financial reward for his effort. I have very mixed feelings about this, because I think proving the effect to the world is far more important. However, I heard somewhere his company (which I’m assuming isn’t a billion dollar corporation) spent tens of thousands of dollars on his research. They may feel a need to recoup the money that they spent on his research. I don’t like this, but there is nothing we can do about it. Secondly, part of his reason for secrecy is safety. He seems to indicate that these systems, if pushed really hard — by generating lots of atomic hydrogen that can be breathed in or out rapidly — can be dangerous. I’m unsure of this claim. I don’t doubt that emissions can be produced if the reactions are pushed to an extremely high level. But Andrea Rossi has witnessed, according to him, countless meltdowns during torture tests. He has spent extensive time around these systems and seems to be in good health. This to me is a testament that the technology is reasonably safe.

      • Rene

        In that last paragraph you contrast and compare Rossi’s experience vs me356’s. Rossi demonstrates the tech is safe, me356 claims it is dangerous. There is conflict. Moreover, neither assertion can be used as a benchmark because there is NO independent verification of either of them. It’s al tied in secrecy. MFMP has spent many tens of thousands of dollars too on this endeavor but they are open science. I respect that greatly. So, if me356 or Rossi wishes to recoup their research effort, great, but it is for profit seeking purposes. That’s fine, but then they have to be judged by a different standard – they must produce something that works. Until then it is nothing more than speculation. Yes, we have seen glimpses that there is something to LENR (others have shown some small effects to that), but this strong LENR that which they claim exists cannot be treated as anything more than unverified claims.
        My suggestion to you, Max, is that if you want ‘the community’ to do this work, go send MFMP a good chunk of cash. They’ll be happy to work on it soonest.
        As for Rossi and me356, their path is simple: they will have to show something that works or not. We have no input on that one, and they have nothing much to say because of their self imposed secrecy.

        • Yes, Bob Greenyer has vouched for this person. He’s met him; visited his home (iirc).

          BG cannot yet vouch for the experimental results that me356 claims, but he basically vouches for everything just up to that. And another visit is being planned to check that final box.

  • Rene

    Wow, this article looks to me like a classic internet ‘summary’ plus MarySue story. I’m not sure it adds anything to the conversation.
    BTW, I enjoyed reading me356’s ongoing LENR work. It looked like it was going well until he clammed up into secrecy mode. So, like Rossi, I have to treat me356 as yet another person who thinks they have something to make-money-fast. Therefore, their truth is in an actual working independently verified device or marketed product.

    • Max Temple

      Over 90% of the information in this article was included in Me356’s 500+ posts. However, to put together the collective theme and message he was trying to convey, it took some serious digging, analysis, re-reading, and crosschecks between posts. Basically, the directions he gave us were very unclear, scattered among a huge collection of posts — sometimes short, brief answers to questions. But now we have his message broken down and reformatted into a somewhat more coherent framework. Combined with the likely information we have about palladium’s tremendous ability as a hydrogen spillover catalyst (producing more atomic hydrogen during each inhalation so as to absorb hydrogen at a much faster rate), I feel we have a basic guidebook for how to progress forward. There are tons of details to be figured out. For example, it may take significant trial and error to fully optimize fuel pre-treatment (baking/annealing, vacuuming/degassing, oxide removal, etc), but I’m confident the community can figure all this out with a modest amount of testing (weeks or months and not years).

      When it comes to Me356’s secrecy, I will not deny the fact that he may want to see a financial reward for his effort. I have very mixed feelings about this, because I think proving the effect to the world is far more important. However, I heard somewhere his company (which I’m assuming isn’t a billion dollar corporation) spent tens of thousands of dollars on his research. They may feel a need to recoup the money that they spent on his research. I don’t like this, but there is nothing we can do about it. Secondly, part of his reason for secrecy is safety. He seems to indicate that these systems, if pushed really hard — by generating lots of atomic hydrogen that can be breathed in or out rapidly — can be dangerous. I’m unsure of this claim. I don’t doubt that emissions can be produced if the reactions are pushed to an extremely high level. But Andrea Rossi has witnessed, according to him, countless meltdowns during torture tests. He has spent extensive time around these systems and seems to be in good health. This to me is a testament that the technology is reasonably safe.

      • Rene

        In that last paragraph you contrast and compare Rossi’s experience vs me356’s. Rossi demonstrates the tech is safe, me356 claims it is dangerous. There is conflict. Moreover, neither assertion can be used as a benchmark because there is NO independent verification of either of them. It’s al tied in secrecy. MFMP has spent many tens of thousands of dollars too on this endeavor but they are open science. I respect that greatly. So, if me356 or Rossi wishes to recoup their research effort, great, but it is for profit seeking purposes. That’s fine, but then they have to be judged by a different standard – they must produce something that works. Until then it is nothing more than speculation. Yes, we have seen glimpses that there is something to LENR (others have shown some small effects to that), but this strong LENR that which they claim exists cannot be treated as anything more than unverified claims.
        My suggestion to you, Max, is that if you want ‘the community’ to do this work, go send MFMP a good chunk of cash. They’ll be happy to work on it soonest.
        As for Rossi and me356, their path is simple: they will have to show something that works or not. We have no input on that one, and they have nothing much to say because of their self imposed secrecy.

  • nietsnie

    I, for one, found this summation fascinating and useful. Thanks for spending the (seemingly enormous) time it took to put it together.

    • Max Temple

      Hello Nietsnie,

      Thank you for the kind words. Although I had reviewed his posts in the past, I spent a good twelve hours reading through all his posts, taking notes, and composing the article. The result, in my mind, is that we now have confirmation that what Me356 told Bob Greenyer is the truth: he has already given us a ton of information. I would say he has given our community everything we need to start moving forward. There will be various specific details to work out and plenty of testing to perform, but we can be pretty sure (in my opinion) we have a specific path to follow with a real, confirmed destination. Although we may get flat tire on the way or need to stop for some extra anti-freeze, at least we aren’t on a random highway to the boonies.

  • Axil Axil

    Me356 did share the many downsides that occurred during his experimentation. He warned about doing LENR experiments in the home. Instead, he recommended doing all experimentation remotely in a separated unmanned lab far from where anybody was living. He shared how his test equipment malfunctioned as a result of unknown interference produced by his experiments…three meters away…thermocouples, test equipment and computers failed.

    In one video produced by ME356, that showed the start of the LENR reaction when stimulated, the video momentarily flickered at the exact point of stimulation application.

    Unless Max Temple addresses these issues, his narrative is missing something very important to the experimenter.​ ​

    • Axil, could you post that video here?

  • Axil Axil

    Me356 did share the many downsides that occurred during his experimentation. He warned about doing LENR experiments in the home. Instead, he recommended doing all experimentation remotely in a separated unmanned lab far from where anybody was living. He shared how his test equipment malfunctioned as a result of unknown interference produced by his experiments…three meters away…thermocouples, test equipment and computers failed.

    In one video produced by ME356, that showed the start of the LENR reaction when stimulated, the video momentarily flickered at the exact point of stimulation application.

    Unless Max Temple addresses these issues, his narrative is missing something very important to the experimenter.​ ​

    • Axil, could you post that video here?

  • doug marker

    Max,
    A comprehensive excellent and clear summary. A valuable effort. Am certain many people will appreciate your effort.

    Thanks

    Doug Marker

    • Max Temple

      Doug,

      Thank you. I felt an overwhelming need to sort through, organize, and make sense of his claims. Now I feel we have a path forward. My only request is that you spread the word about me356 and what he taught us about producing excess heat with these systems.

  • Karl Venter

    Excellent work Max
    Your efforts are incredible and I found it very interesting as I neither followed LENR-Forum

    I enjoyed it tremendously thanks

    @bobgreenyer:disqus

    Is MFMP testing any of these?
    Would not mind if you could give a short plan of your future tests- Please?

    • Dan

      Me356 has refused to meet with Bob over the last year, repeatedly making excuses.

      This is the #1 reason I think it’s all an exquisite joke on you all.

      • Rick

        What if he have something but do not want to show it yet because they will want to publish it? If he want to monetize it it is only counter productive…. Competition will start to investigate it and replicate.

      • The lengths that this person would have had to go to in order to pull this off, just for what — a trolling high? — is insane. Does a risk/reward analysis come in at any point?

        What’s the punchline here? That a guy running a business decided to try and make big bucks by selling fake reactors a la Rossi to investors instead and embarked on a year long effort to make it seem credible on LENR Forum?

        • Dan

          There are plenty of people who pull pranks with no ‘punchline’. Look at all the UFO hoaxes over the years. Some people just get a kick out of it. If you don’t know that then you aren’t paying attention.

          Maybe he is a skeptic who is setting you all up for a big laugh? James Randi ran a fake psychic and fooled major media outlets before he revealed it was a stunt.

          Bob G hasn’t vouched for this person. Me356 is effectively just some anonymous person on the Internet, and we all know how that usually ends up.

          • Yes, Bob Greenyer has vouched for this person. He’s met him; visited his home (iirc).

            BG cannot yet vouch for the experimental results that me356 claims, but he basically vouches for everything just up to that. And another visit is being planned to check that final box.

  • IF me356 as experimenter has an efficient LENR
    technology, me356 as manager of an enterprise needs time to
    industrialize his technology and take his place to the market. Then his
    priorities change: inform enough to sustain interest but not to give his
    know-how. This explains his silent, like for any other producers.
    Also, his silent could confirm that he has a good technology.

  • Gerard McEk

    Very valuabe to bring this all together, Max. Thank you!

  • Gerard McEk

    Very valuabe to bring this all together, Max. Thank you!

  • Max, this is outstanding work.

    Of importance to me is the time span and progression. If one is to assert that this is BS, then you have to admit that it is exquisite BS, complete with self-consistent logical progression, information sharing, real experimental setups, videos, MFMP visits/vouching… over more than one year. Bottom line: it looks and feels real. On top of Rossi’s exquisite scam… and Brillouin’s and Piantelli’s and Parkhomov’s and…

    Most here have heard of Huizenga’s three miracles of cold fusion. I offer a contrary miracle of three parts:

    The existence of exquisite scams must be limited in number, duration and participation.

    • Dan

      There are plenty of long term exquisite scams. John Titor. Carlos Castaneda. Bernie Madoff. Theranos. Milo and a thousand other inventors on PESN. The list is endless.

      Me356 is anonymous and has never shown a working device. When Bob Greenyer from MFMP tried to meet him a year ago, he continued to come up with flimsy excuses. How many more warning signs do you need?

      • Incorrect. Bob Greenyer has met with me356 in person on more than one occasion and vouches for him as a real person, running a real business, conducting real experiments and having real expertise. He cannot vouch for the actual experiment results as of yet but that’s pending (Bob!).

    • Bruce__H

      Lots of real research ends in blind alleys. Lots of it. Unless you are a researcher yourself you have no idea.

      I think naive commentary (naive about how real research actually goes) is a big problem in the LENR community. The logic you are using here is an example.

      The Martin Fleischman Memorial Project promises to give people a peek behind the research curtain. I am satisfied that they are doing real research. So far they have no more than faint indications (ones that could easily dissipate) that they are on to anything important. Maybe it will evolve into a successful project but then again maybe not. Nonetheless right now they have “time span and progression”. Are you arguing that this means they must have something?

      • You seem to miss my point entirely.

        If you are asserting that all these LENR+ threads are false alarms due to the measurement errors of well-meaning researchers then I reject that argument categorically. The margins are too large, the people are too numerous and reputable (well, many of them), and the time passed too long.

        I don’t know how you get the idea that I’m asserting anything on behalf of MFMP from my post (other than vouching for me356 in the person of BG as I mentioned above). I agree with you that MFMP’s openness is to be applauded.

  • Max, this is outstanding work.

    Of importance to me is the time span and progression. If one is to assert that this is BS, then you have to admit that it is exquisite BS, complete with self-consistent logical progression, information sharing, real experimental setups, videos, MFMP visits/vouching… over more than one year. Bottom line: it looks and feels real. On top of Rossi’s exquisite scam… and Brillouin’s and Piantelli’s and Parkhomov’s and…

    Most here have heard of Huizenga’s three miracles of cold fusion. I offer a contrary miracle of three parts:

    The existence of exquisite scams must be limited in number, duration and participation.

    • Dan

      There are plenty of long term exquisite scams. John Titor. Carlos Castaneda. Bernie Madoff. Theranos. Milo and a thousand other inventors on PESN. The list is endless.

      Me356 is anonymous and has never shown a working device. When Bob Greenyer from MFMP tried to meet him a year ago, he continued to come up with flimsy excuses. How many more warning signs do you need?

      • Incorrect. Bob Greenyer has met with me356 in person on more than one occasion and vouches for him as a real person, running a real business, conducting real experiments and having real expertise. He cannot vouch for the actual experiment results as of yet but that’s pending (Bob!).

    • Bruce__H

      Lots of real research ends in blind alleys. Lots of it. Unless you are a researcher yourself you have no idea.

      I think naive commentary (naive about how real research actually goes) is a big problem in the LENR community. The logic you are using here is an example.

      The Martin Fleischman Memorial Project promises to give people a peek behind the research curtain. I am satisfied that they are doing real research. So far they have no more than faint indications (ones that could easily dissipate) that they are on to anything important. Maybe it will evolve into a successful project but then again maybe not. Nonetheless right now they have “time span and progression”. Are you arguing that this means they must have something?

      • You seem to miss my point entirely.

        If you are asserting that all these LENR+ threads are false alarms due to the measurement errors of well-meaning researchers then I reject that argument categorically. The margins are too large, the people are too numerous and reputable (well, many of them), and the time passed too long.

        I don’t know how you get the idea that I’m asserting anything on behalf of MFMP from my post (other than vouching for me356 in the person of BG as I mentioned above). I agree with you that MFMP’s openness is to be applauded.

        • Bruce__H

          I don’t think I missed your point. Just because me356’s work feels real (indeed even is real), doesn’t mean that LENR effects are real. A good old try isn the same as success. Only success is success.

          LENR, so far, simply doesn’t have the density of replicated effects that you see in successful fields. Instead it has sputtered along for more than a quarter of a century on a thin skein of dubious results. This isn’t the fault of the researchers. If anything it is Nature that is at fault.

          I was the one who brought up the MPFP, not you. I don’t think you asserted anything about them. In bringing up the activities of the MPFP I am saying that the nice thing about them is that they transparently communicate their results even if they are negative. This is what real research feels like because when you are the one conducting research you are the one who gets to see the successes and failures close up. You pursue lines of research based on early indications and sometimes they don’t work out. If a lack of success continues then sometimes you just have to say that the effects you were so sure were there, really aren’t. It is that quality of letting Nature ultimately call the shots that I think is missing from much of the discussion here.

          • Is there something about me356’s trail of communications that doesn’t feel like real research to you? I mean he hasn’t published anything so who knows, but most researchers work in private or small teams until they decide to publish.

          • TVulgaris

            Your description of how halting research so often is applies completely to HF- yet 65 years and many, MANY billions have been expended to turn a verified (fully theoretically-supported, though) reaction into a commercial device, completely unsuccessfully to date- so that’s clearly a weak argument, as research continues at an accelerating pace (justifiably so). THERE IS NO DOUBT SOME REACTION OCCURS IN LENR- not after the past 20 years of research globally in many, many different schema- yet there continues only a relative trickle of some millions in funding, at least orders of magnitude less than goes to HF. Why was the same sanguinity about results not directed there decades ago, throttling taxpayer funding back by 99%?

          • Bruce__H

            I was describing the course of basic research, not engineering. Hot fusion is engineering because we know that COP>1 fusion events are real (e.g.,thermonuclear bombs) and we understand the basic theory. In contrast we don’t really even know if cold fusion is real or not so it is basic research, not engineering.

            If LENR is real then, after more than a quarter of a century, why don’t people even know how to reliably generate uncontrolled events (like an explosion or meltdown)? That should be easy if it is real.

  • BillH

    Like most people, I haven’t read all of this post yet, but I appreciate the effort taken to put this information together, The latter 62 references to posting often seem quite technical but may be of use to experimenters.

    Here’s the bottom line, notwithstanding ARs’ test is anyone actually able to generate excess heat for extended periods of time? Is anyone anywhere generating excess heat from LENR economically and reliably? If not why not?

    If AR is to be believed then several of the reactors ran perfectly for perhaps 100 days in a row, that alone would indicate a viable product.

    So, what can be the reasons for absolutely no products released into the market so far?
    safety, reliability, cost, efficiency? Me356 seems to suggest there are some safety issue but AR may have solved those particular problems. The reintroduction of Palladium into they story might mean that the cost would become prohibitive, AR barely mentions Palladium. The number of days of downtime from the Doral test could also suggest that an engineer would need to be on site 24/7 this would also increase the costs of running a plant.

    It’s down to those who claim they have a viable LENR product to get it into the market very soon or be forever called delayers or no-shows.

    • Bruce__H

      I agree.

      One wonders why people don’t just use the instructions in Rossi’s patent of August 2015. Rossi says he is very proud of this patent. It’s more than a year and a half since it has been published. Why hasn’t anyone reported excess heat from the process it describes?

      • sam

        I wonder if some foriegn country is gathering all the best
        information from patents, blogs, comments,Scientist on you tube,previous research,
        books on Lenr and using it in there own research.
        A much better way to use resources than say building
        Nuclear Bombs like North Korea does.

        https://www.google.ca/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/kim-jong-un-asks-north-korean-scientists-to-make-better-nuclear-bombs-a6805846.html%3Famp

        • Bruce__H

          Undoubtedly. If Rossi wanted to keep the technology secret then he should have kept it secret. Patents don’t contain secrets … just the opposite.

      • James Rice

        Rossi’s patent is probably invalid because a patent MUST contain enough information for a technician (NOT a scientist) to reproduce the invention. That has not been done, so if the invention really works, Rossi must be withholding critical information.

      • Omega Z

        ->”One wonders why people don’t just use the instructions in Rossi’s patent of August 2015.”

        People tend to be incapable of following instructions without deviation unless the master is there to smack their hands every time they even think of deviating.

    • Some reasons you left out: litigation, pursuit of an IP strategy (rather than direct commercialization), inability to get traction with investors or the scientific community due to the “pseudoscience” reputation and secrecy.

  • Axil Axil

    A post by ME356 on the LENR forum

    #141
    I am highly disgusted by some comments, although it was expected.

    The only thing I would like to say is that Nickel – Hydrogen reaction (even without lithium) can yield inconsiderable amount of neutrons. From thermal to high energetic.

    I can create this on demand and it is little bit worrisome.
    If you are targetting for reaching a decent COP, be prepared for this.

    To be more precise, you can receive 10mSv in a few minutes.
    It is not fun anymore… Take it seriously.

    To all replicators: Do not perform your experiments anywhere near your house

  • Axil Axil

    A post by ME356 on the LENR forum

    #141
    I am highly disgusted by some comments, although it was expected.

    The only thing I would like to say is that Nickel – Hydrogen reaction (even without lithium) can yield inconsiderable amount of neutrons. From thermal to high energetic.

    I can create this on demand and it is little bit worrisome.
    If you are targetting for reaching a decent COP, be prepared for this.

    To be more precise, you can receive 10mSv in a few minutes.
    It is not fun anymore… Take it seriously.

    To all replicators: Do not perform your experiments anywhere near your house

  • Axil Axil

    A post by ME356 on the LENR forum

    #150

    No, this is not true. Higher neutron flux can be achieved even with Parkhomov-like reactor and with pressures under 3 Bars.
    You do not need any acceleration e.g. by high voltage.

    But I am sure that it is possible to make it perfectly safe. On the other hand it is great indicator that the mouse process is working properly.

    I am absolutely sure about the neutron measurement. I am using a few bubble detectors that were carefully calibrated and certified and also electronic neutron detector with HDPE moderator. I am also using a paraffin moderator for triple-verification. These neutron detectors are not affected by gamma and all are giving clear results without any doubts.
    The most problematic part is, when the excess heat is triggered.

    I do not intend to scary anybody, but it is really not necessary to be a testing rat. Mostly all replicators do not use any radiation detectors and if so, they are insensitive for important energy ranges.
    If you do not believe, it is really not my problem.

    I want to make LENR available for all more than others. But you have to know, that it is not a toy, to be prepared and to not make mistakes that others already did.

  • Axil Axil

    A post by ME356 on the LENR forum

    #150

    No, this is not true. Higher neutron flux can be achieved even with Parkhomov-like reactor and with pressures under 3 Bars.
    You do not need any acceleration e.g. by high voltage.

    But I am sure that it is possible to make it perfectly safe. On the other hand it is great indicator that the mouse process is working properly.

    I am absolutely sure about the neutron measurement. I am using a few bubble detectors that were carefully calibrated and certified and also electronic neutron detector with HDPE moderator. I am also using a paraffin moderator for triple-verification. These neutron detectors are not affected by gamma and all are giving clear results without any doubts.
    The most problematic part is, when the excess heat is triggered.

    I do not intend to scary anybody, but it is really not necessary to be a testing rat. Mostly all replicators do not use any radiation detectors and if so, they are insensitive for important energy ranges.
    If you do not believe, it is really not my problem.

    I want to make LENR available for all more than others. But you have to know, that it is not a toy, to be prepared and to not make mistakes that others already did.

  • Axil Axil

    A post by ME356 on the LENR forum

    #159

    axil: I fully agree with you and I admit it is possible. Each experiment is little bit different because of design and other techniques.
    The latest experiment generated high neutron flux while no measurable gamma.

    Although I have measured neutrons for a few times when reactor was turned off (for period of days) after such period reactors are always clean and nothing seems to be activated.
    But a lot of investigation is needed.

  • Axil Axil

    A post by ME356 on the LENR forum

    #192

    I am sure that Ni-H reaction can yield also real neutrons and that probability that I am measuring neutrons is very high.
    This was verified long time ago even by Sergio Focardi, yet the excess heat was relatively very small. Now imagine what can happen with much stronger reaction.

  • Axil Axil

    A post by ME356 on the LENR forum

    #192

    I am sure that Ni-H reaction can yield also real neutrons and that probability that I am measuring neutrons is very high.
    This was verified long time ago even by Sergio Focardi, yet the excess heat was relatively very small. Now imagine what can happen with much stronger reaction.

  • Axil Axil

    #197
    A post by ME356 on the LENR forum

    #197

    StephenC: I have had some suspicion for a few times, but fortunately readings returned to the original values.
    Neutrons are yielded in a bursts. Short but can be intense, especially during ON/OFF cycle.

    My theory of operation is based mainly on the neutron reactions. Maybe these are not neutrons, but neutron capture mechanism can still work.
    Actually I have found a way how to produce these neutrons and with required energy range (but still need to be verified)
    In this way you can make reaction safe, but one failure of the control system could mean huge problem.

    The power potential is really huge. For power plants, this will be no issue, but advantage.
    The higher COP, the better shielding you will need (when considering a single unit) and such reaction.

  • Axil Axil

    A post by ME356 on the LENR forum

    #240

    As I have written previously, I plan to make a real devices that can be used by anyone.
    If possible, we can sell the devices – if everything will be without any problem. Of course with respecting all the patents, safety issues, etc. I believe that this way is the best one to help mankind.

    How do you know that making available the recipe for such thing will help the world?
    How do you know that it will be not banned and/or regulated because there will be many cases with major accidents (because of such replications)? How do you know that it will be not misused sooner than before we can use it in a real life?
    How do you know that this technology will not cause a new wars?

    This thing has potential to change everything.
    Even that the original intention is the best, you never can’t expect consequences.

    I am here to tell you that the technology is real. My opinion is, that you should slowly learn how it works even that it can take years. Do you know why your parents were forbidding you to play with a fire when you were child?
    Yes, there are many scientists that know what they are doing. But still it is unknown world.

  • Axil Axil

    A post by ME356 on the LENR forum

    #240

    As I have written previously, I plan to make a real devices that can be used by anyone.
    If possible, we can sell the devices – if everything will be without any problem. Of course with respecting all the patents, safety issues, etc. I believe that this way is the best one to help mankind.

    How do you know that making available the recipe for such thing will help the world?
    How do you know that it will be not banned and/or regulated because there will be many cases with major accidents (because of such replications)? How do you know that it will be not misused sooner than before we can use it in a real life?
    How do you know that this technology will not cause a new wars?

    This thing has potential to change everything.
    Even that the original intention is the best, you never can’t expect consequences.

    I am here to tell you that the technology is real. My opinion is, that you should slowly learn how it works even that it can take years. Do you know why your parents were forbidding you to play with a fire when you were child?
    Yes, there are many scientists that know what they are doing. But still it is unknown world.

  • Axil Axil

    A post by ME356 on the LENR forum

    #461

    I can’t tell the details, although I would like to share my excitement.

    In some experiments, with a certain materials and in a certain conditions, one can establish a transfer channel. It can be considered as “a black hole”.
    This mean, that in just few miliseconds even 1L of hydrogen can just “disappear” and is irreversibly transformed to other kind of energy (including neutron radiation).
    We can completely exclude lithium or similar compounds that can create a hydrides.

    This behavior can be performed repeatedly, if correct conditions are set.

    Enormous COP can be achieved (100 and more).

  • Axil Axil

    A post by ME356 on the LENR forum

    #461

    I can’t tell the details, although I would like to share my excitement.

    In some experiments, with a certain materials and in a certain conditions, one can establish a transfer channel. It can be considered as “a black hole”.
    This mean, that in just few miliseconds even 1L of hydrogen can just “disappear” and is irreversibly transformed to other kind of energy (including neutron radiation).
    We can completely exclude lithium or similar compounds that can create a hydrides.

    This behavior can be performed repeatedly, if correct conditions are set.

    Enormous COP can be achieved (100 and more).

  • Axil Axil

    #489
    Thank you very much for the comments.

    I am just telling you that it is real. You can call me fraud. Also you can ban me, if you wish. I have nothing to loose.
    I believe that my results can be replicated without any problem.

    I have not changed any of my decision and will do what promised. Things are going just slower. But again, I am not the only one.

    Right now, I dont want to team up with anybody else until the device will be in a testable condition, without my intervention. Yes, in case of any accident, my knowledge is already in a safe place. The plan will happen in any way.

    I have few kinds of particle/radiation detectors and all are confirming what I am observing without any doubt (either electric and non-electric/analog).

    Axil comments:

    ME356 is seeing subatomic particles and radiation and this confirms his observations.

    • Maybe we should explore LENR more as an antimatter annihilation engine instead of a nuclear reactor.

      Are positrons or anti-quarks involved somehow?

      • Axil Axil

        IMHO. strange matter mesons are involved.

  • Axil Axil

    A post by Axil on the LENR forum

    #515

    Remote controlled experimentation is a good idea, and maybe people will not go through the trouble or the expense to set up their lab that way.

    Based on Holmlid’s et al speculation, LENR may produce prodigious volumes of muons. These guys are hard to detect and are deeply penetrating. They may penetrate into the body and cause the elements inside the body to fusion. Yes, muons can be easily shielded but you need to understand that it is required to do so.

    Then there might be long lived exotic neutral particles that may float in the air. These things may act like radon and like muons, catalyze fusion in the lungs. It might be a good practice to vent the lab to the outside before an experimenter can safely reenter his lab.

    A response by ME356 on the LENR forum

    #516

    axil: You are right. We can’t still be sure what particles are really produced and how often.

    nobody: This is not true. While there is not a really working recipe, mass replications will not start. Public will be still unaware of it and from nothing there can be a LENR device you can buy freely.
    On the other hand, with mass replications there can be already many accidents before we can buy anything certified. Government and other regulation institutions can be aware of possible issues. Thus there may be new limitations defined by law and doing such things might be even illegal overnight. This is not good start. Are you sure this can’t happen?
    If we will proceed according to all safety precautions, such devices will be tested where it can’t cause any risk, this can’t happen that easily.

  • Axil Axil

    A post by Axil on the LENR forum

    #515

    Remote controlled experimentation is a good idea, and maybe people will not go through the trouble or the expense to set up their lab that way.

    Based on Holmlid’s et al speculation, LENR may produce prodigious volumes of muons. These guys are hard to detect and are deeply penetrating. They may penetrate into the body and cause the elements inside the body to fusion. Yes, muons can be easily shielded but you need to understand that it is required to do so.

    Then there might be long lived exotic neutral particles that may float in the air. These things may act like radon and like muons, catalyze fusion in the lungs. It might be a good practice to vent the lab to the outside before an experimenter can safely reenter his lab.

    A response by ME356 on the LENR forum

    #516

    axil: You are right. We can’t still be sure what particles are really produced and how often.

    nobody: This is not true. While there is not a really working recipe, mass replications will not start. Public will be still unaware of it and from nothing there can be a LENR device you can buy freely.
    On the other hand, with mass replications there can be already many accidents before we can buy anything certified. Government and other regulation institutions can be aware of possible issues. Thus there may be new limitations defined by law and doing such things might be even illegal overnight. This is not good start. Are you sure this can’t happen?
    If we will proceed according to all safety precautions, such devices will be tested where it can’t cause any risk, this can’t happen that easily.

  • Axil Axil

    A post by ME356 on the LENR forum

    #529

    crawdaddy: I am convinced that I understand source of radiation and reason why there are neutrons and also exactly how to control this.
    It is really beutifull phenomenon, that reflects how far mankind is.
    Sadly, we were able to do this for more than 100 years.

    On the other hand, I have to admit that absolutely no energy source is completely safe. It is simply impossible to avoid any hazard if energy is produced and consumed.
    I also believe that knowledge of LENR process will be available very, very soon to all.

    • Gerard McEk

      Axil, LENR Forum changed their website and since then I can’t access it unless I use another name, which I refuse.
      Just a general question: The posts of ME356 you brought up here are old posts, aren’t they?

      • artefact

        Yes. Haven’t seen him since long at ECN.

      • Axil Axil

        Those listed posts were the last ME356 wrote on the LENR forum before he went dark.

  • Axil Axil

    A post by ME356 on the LENR forum

    #529

    crawdaddy: I am convinced that I understand source of radiation and reason why there are neutrons and also exactly how to control this.
    It is really beutifull phenomenon, that reflects how far mankind is.
    Sadly, we were able to do this for more than 100 years.

    On the other hand, I have to admit that absolutely no energy source is completely safe. It is simply impossible to avoid any hazard if energy is produced and consumed.
    I also believe that knowledge of LENR process will be available very, very soon to all.

    • Gerard McEk

      Axil, LENR Forum changed their website and since then I can’t access it unless I use another name, which I refuse.
      Just a general question: The posts of ME356 you brought up here are old posts, aren’t they?

      • artefact

        Yes. Haven’t seen him since long at ECN.

      • Axil Axil

        Those listed posts were the last ME356 wrote on the LENR forum before he went dark.

  • Is there something about me356’s trail of communications that doesn’t feel like real research to you? I mean he hasn’t published anything so who knows, but most researchers work in private or small teams until they decide to publish.

  • Bob Greenyer
    • Is this page just a Matrix reference or a placeholder for something interesting?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Oh – Interesting, yes – of course, it depends on if you choose to swallow the (RedPill)

        • Bob, does your (RedPill) imply what Allan Kiik is saying in his reply to me or do you still believe that me356 is on the up and up?

          Please don’t answer in a cryptic fashion.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Allan is Wrong.

            me356 has committed to me just 2 days ago that we will test his technology.

          • Good news. I look forward to hearing the details when you can share them.

          • Gerard McEk

            He didn’t mention when, did he?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Not March.

            Will appeal for funds in preparation. Team prepping.

  • Bob Greenyer
    • Is this page just a Matrix reference or a placeholder for something interesting?

      • Allan Kiik

        Red pill – embrace the painful truth of reality!
        Me356 got tired after many unsuccesful attempts of “replication” and created a joke, kind of gullibility test. Remember the impressive video about LENR reaction starting up? It was right here and had a lot of comments. Me356 insisted many times that both heater energy input and reactor body temperature remained the same…

      • Bob Greenyer

        Oh – Interesting, yes – of course, it depends on if you choose to swallow the (RedPill)

        • Bob, does your (RedPill) imply what Allan Kiik is saying in his reply to me or do you still believe that me356 is on the up and up?

          Please don’t answer in a cryptic fashion.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Allan is Wrong.

            me356 has committed to me just 2 days ago that we will test his technology.

          • Allan Kiik

            I am really happy being “Wrong” this time 🙂
            But still, if Me356’s description of his system is correct (ie LENR is started and at the same time heater power and reactor temp remains constant), then there can be only COP=1, right?

            I really hope he has something better than COP 1.x

          • Bob Greenyer

            Testing will show – anything else is speculation

          • Bob Greenyer

            Wait…

          • Good news. I look forward to hearing the details when you can share them.

          • Gerard McEk

            He didn’t mention when, did he?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Not March.

            Will appeal for funds in preparation. Team prepping.

  • David Daggett

    Thanks Max! How about getting in touch with us and taking a look at our MFMP GlowStick duplication device? http://www.phonon-energy.org We’re publishing results on the web site. Previous duplication tests have not shown any excess heat or radiation. On our next test, we’re going to try ultrasonically cleaning the Ni powder as Alan Smith suggested (we’re currently waiting for parts). We’re also working on a mechanism for controlling the heater frequency and waveform as Bob Greenyer has previously published. I’d be interested in your suggestions too.

    David.Daggett@Phonon-Energy.com

    • Bob Greenyer

      David has done some excellent work. Bringing some nice innovations also.

      • Albert D. Kallal

        It would seem that metal absorbing H is a key concept here. In one of your videos you noted papers going back 100 years on how metal can absorb “amazing” amounts of H. What was amazing was the hunk of metal would absorb as much H as if it was liquid. And more amazing was the metal would hold that H at room temperature and standard air pressure.

        It would seem that efforts on loading up the metal with lots and lots of H is key here.

        In fact, a nice big chunk of pallidum or a nickel bar loaded up with lots of H may well be a good reactor model in place of messing with all that powder (the powdered metal experiments can come later – one big chunk of metal is far easier to hit with a hammer, or I this case near any kind of EM whacking that bar. So Wrap a coil around the bar – stimulate it any way you want.

        I think bars of metal is a better starting point then powered metal.

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

        • Vinney

          Piantelli and Focardi where trying just that for a long period of time, but along came Rossi with more success with powders.
          They abandoned the solid nickel cylinders.

  • LION

    What is REQUIRED is HONESTY, all good experimentalists ask themselves the the very difficult questions, long before others do, like – am I mistaken, have I made a simple error, am I stretching the data too far, is my longing for a NOBEL causing me to be deluded etc, not once but every day. It is tough medicine to take, but in the end, always worth it. Humility coupled with a passionate curiosity makes a good experimentalist capable of extraordinary things.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39054778

  • LION

    What is REQUIRED is HONESTY, all good experimentalists ask themselves the the very difficult questions, long before others do, like – am I mistaken, have I made a simple error, am I stretching the data too far, is my longing for a NOBEL causing me to be deluded etc, not once but every day. It is tough medicine to take, but in the end, always worth it. Humility coupled with a passionate curiosity makes a good experimentalist capable of extraordinary things.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39054778

  • LION

    See my post from 11 days ago, of developed x Ray emulsions, soon to be updated.

    http://www.e-catworld.com/2017/02/05/mfmp-prepares-for-glowstick-5-4-and-5-5-tests/

  • LION

    See my post from 11 days ago, of developed x Ray emulsions, soon to be updated.

    http://www.e-catworld.com/2017/02/05/mfmp-prepares-for-glowstick-5-4-and-5-5-tests/

  • AdrianAshfield

    I have just read this entire thread and the comments. Thanks Max!

    It struck me that me356 was a real person, relating what he found, but the diehard skeptics will not believe Rossi has anything until his reactors are for sale so doubt me356.

    Apparently me356 discovered that just Ni/H works but with a COP ~1.5. He has had cells work for a number of months. That much depends on the source of the NI and how you clean it and load it with H. To get a higher COP you have to do things differently. The reaction seems to be started by varying the amount of H entering or leaving the Ni, that can be controlled in various ways.

    me356 has experimented with plasma cells and found sufficient neutron activity to make him nervous. He explains why many have not been able to replicate the process but it is apparently easy once you know how. It is also potentially dangerous at high COPs and most amateur experimenters don’t have either the expensive safety monitoring equipment nor the other resources to carry out several experiments safety.

    me356 says he understands why it is taking many years for Rossi to develop a commercial reactor. The reason why it is taking so long for others to replicate Rossi is that LENR is still viewed as pseudo science and one can’t get grants to do research in that area. I know this to be true from first hand experience. More than a year ago approached DOE through their Office of Science and arranged to have a letter sent to Secretary Moniz by the DIrector of that Office. I have never received a reply although I’m told it reached his “red folder.”
    To this day DOE will not even LOOK at any papers on LENR and fight to preserve the $25 billion budget on ITER, something that will never be an economic solution for power..

    • Max Temple

      A reactor with nothing more than nickel and hydrogen (with ZERO lithium and no additional source of atomic hydrogen) can produce a COP of 2 when using just nickel wire/rod. I am pretty sure this can be taken higher with powder. However, I think it takes a LOT of tedious pre-treatment to make a pure nickel and hydrogen system “breathe” hydrogen in or out intensely enough to produce an effect. H2 only dissociates very slowly into H1 on a nickel surface. To increase the level of COP, you must increase the rate of hydrogen absorption into the nickel lattice or the desorption from the lattice. The best way to do this is to utilize a source of ATOMIC HYDROGEN.

      One source of atomic hydrogen could be nano-sized particles of a spillover catalyst spread across the fuel, deposited by one of several mechanisms. If you are using carbonyl nickel, you probably want to trap these particles inside the surface features. These spillover catalysts like palladium will produce atomic hydrogen close to the surface of the nickel.

      Another source of atomic hydrogen is to release it chemically from a metal hydride like LiAlH4 or LiH. The hydrogen that is released is in the form of atomic hydrogen. By controlling and optimizing the use of these hydrides, you can dramatically boost the hydrogen uptake into the nickel.

      Yet another source of atomic hydrogen is probably super imposing a frequency onto the frequency you are already putting into your resistor to dissociate the H2 in your reactor to H1. Me356 showed this when he demonstrated how he could turn the excess heat on and off.

      Other sources could be a hot tungsten filament (a mesh of tiny wire diameter is a magnitude more efficient for the same surface area and produces a higher percentage of atomic hydrogen with an extra electron), a spark gap, a glow discharge (maybe what I’m describing above), etc.

      With additional sources of atomic hydrogen, according to Me356, the COP can be “set” to whatever you want.

      • AdrianAshfield

        I basically agree with what you wrote Max.
        I think the relevance is more as proof that Rossi actually had something that worked.
        It now looks like the future will be something quite different. Either BLP’s SunCell or Rossi’s QuarkX. Although little is known of the latter, the temperature and small size suggest it is quite different and it apparently has a higher COP.
        Rossi says he will continue with the low temperature “Tigers” but why then has he not sold some already?

  • sam

    Irving
    February 25, 2017 at 6:01 PM
    Dear Dr Andrea Rossi
    Whattaya think of the replication of Me356?
    You didn’t answer.
    Godspeed,
    Irving

    Translate
    Andrea Rossi
    February 26, 2017 at 4:48 PM
    Irving:
    I did not see yet a full report of it.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    JPR
    February 26, 2017 at 2:41 AM
    Update?

    Andrea Rossi
    February 26, 2017 at 4:47 PM
    JPR:
    Good standing so far.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Marco
    February 26, 2017 at 4:39 AM
    Dear Andrea,

    reading some of me356 posts, give me an idea. To extend SSM time, the ECats or the QuarkX can be operated in a molten salt bath, the kind used in solar concentration plants (or others if 550C is not enough). The high thermal capacity of the bath can extend the SSM period, by not letting the fuel cool down. I don’t know if you already found a way to have long SSM with load (e.g. heating water up to steam), but if not, this can be a mean.

    Marco

    Andrea Rossi
    February 26, 2017 at 4:46 PM
    Marco:
    We already had a long SSM with a load. Thank you for your suggestion.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Testing will show – anything else is speculation

  • Bob Greenyer
  • Bob Greenyer
    • United we stood | divided we fell?

      MFMP has fractured?

    • Jerry Soloman

      Homosymbion – Lifting the veil – seeing the future – posted under the me365 thread.

      you have it this time Greenyer !!

    • Charlie tapp

      I don’t get it ( big sigh)

      • Charlie tapp

        I have been hear since day one really knock it off not open science

      • Charlie tapp

        Even more I sent ya u something I built to test the daveycell and just so you know all Ido is test test test if I send you another backyard bullshit I would everyone to know that second this is dumb.

    • New evolutionary theory that displace darwin.
      https://bienestarmutuo.org/en/biological-evolution/

      with experiments !!

      • georgehants

        Science Daily
        Songbird’s reference genome illuminate key role of epigenetics in evolution of memory and learning
        Smart songbird’s reference genome is milestone for ecological research
        A well-known songbird, the great tit, has revealed its genetic code,
        offering researchers new insight into how species adapt to a changing
        planet. Their initial findings suggest that epigenetics — what’s on
        rather than what’s in the gene — may play a key role in the evolution
        of memory and learning. And that’s not just true for birds
        https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/01/160125090617.htm

    • Charlietapp

      I also have email that u have

    • Charlietapp

      And also u are on ecatworld not ur website who cares what is the difference I don’t know how to follow that shit I can barely reply makes no sense . Sorry I think you are bad ass but I also blow my family off for this stupid journey and spend a lot of money trying too figure it out. Mabee I am just older than you and don’t understand this criptyc crap and I am sorry but this is like the tenth time just be real not that hard here not the other website someone else’s

  • Bob Greenyer

    Wait…

  • Axil Axil

    http://www.rexresearch.com/ev/ev.htm

    Ken Shoulders’ Electrum Validum (EV)

    EVO Electrum Validum “object”

    Kenneth R. Shoulders has received five US Patents for his discovery and development High Density Charge Cluster (HDCC) technology. Shoulders describes the HDCC entity as “a relatively discrete, self-contained, negatively charged, high density state of matter… [a bundle of electrons that] appears to be produced by the application of a high electrical field between a cathode and an anode.” He has given it the name “Electrum Validum” (EV), meaning “strong electron”, from the Greek “elektron” (electronic charge) and the Latin “valere” (to be strong, having power to unite).

    Ken Shoulders did not discover that the EVO was a polariton due to the quantum entanglement of electons and photons. But we understand that today.

    Search this site for Surface Plasmon Polaritons(SPP) for information relating LENR and SPPs.

    Axil will take a guess as follows:

    Bob Greenyer has just talked with ME356 and ME356 described little balls of light that are drifting around inside his reactor just as Fabiani has described what he saw was happening in Rossi’s reactor. These little balls of lightning were eating up the hydrogen in ME356’s reactor like little black holes.

    See

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz7lTfqkED9WT09NSWJmYUZxbms/view

    This twitter reference shows that Bob G has taken the red pill with regards to the muon

    https://twitter.com/homosymbion/status/836441352724332544

  • Axil Axil

    http://www.rexresearch.com/ev/ev.htm

    Ken Shoulders’ Electrum Validum (EV)

    EVO Electrum Validum “object”

    Kenneth R. Shoulders has received five US Patents for his discovery and development High Density Charge Cluster (HDCC) technology. Shoulders describes the HDCC entity as “a relatively discrete, self-contained, negatively charged, high density state of matter… [a bundle of electrons that] appears to be produced by the application of a high electrical field between a cathode and an anode.” He has given it the name “Electrum Validum” (EV), meaning “strong electron”, from the Greek “elektron” (electronic charge) and the Latin “valere” (to be strong, having power to unite).

    Ken Shoulders did not discover that the EVO was a polariton due to the quantum entanglement of electons and photons. But we understand that today.

    Search this site for Surface Plasmon Polaritons(SPP) for information relating LENR and SPPs.

    Axil will take a guess as follows:

    Bob Greenyer has just talked with ME356 and ME356 described little balls of light that are drifting around inside his reactor just as Fabiani has described what he saw was happening in Rossi’s reactor. These little balls of lightning were eating up the hydrogen in ME356’s reactor like little black holes.

    See

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz7lTfqkED9WT09NSWJmYUZxbms/view

    This twitter reference shows that Bob G has taken the red pill with regards to the muon

    https://twitter.com/homosymbion/status/836441352724332544

  • TVulgaris

    Your description of how halting research so often is applies completely to HF- yet 65 years and many, MANY billions have been expended to turn a verified (fully theoretically-supported, though) reaction into a commercial device, completely unsuccessfully to date- so that’s clearly a weak argument, as research continues at an accelerating pace (justifiably so). THERE IS NO DOUBT SOME REACTION OCCURS IN LENR- not after the past 20 years of research globally in many, many different schema- yet there continues only a relative trickle of some millions in funding, at least orders of magnitude less than goes to HF. Why was the same sanguinity about results not directed there decades ago, throttling taxpayer funding back by 99%?

  • Karl Venter

    Can anyone enlighten us about what this Homosymbion stuff is about or is it a LENR secret

    • Bob Greenyer

      Hi Karl, it will not be LENR secret, there is a lot of people in LENR that have done secrets, my entire purpose is to make things open and I assure you I have to fight hard against certain organisations to do that. The best place to discuss (RedPill) is on the Homosymbion channels I have set up. I have made some very significant advancements in my understanding – but I don’t want to cause any feeling that the MFMP is diverted from its core, step by step planned research. Unfortunately the MFMP has been unfairly criticised in the past because I am a non-linear thinker and am unafraid to put things out for public scrutiny, for better or worse.

      You will very much understand why I have separated this out and for my own protection the reveal must be a measured one. The totality will be very difficult for people to accept and the final pieces only fell into place last Saturday evening.

      I fully expect to be ridiculed when the reveal is done – however, I do not fear that. I am already taking heat.

      This took me quite a while to decipher and transcribe – as usual, for nothing. but it is important to understand what is (RedPill)

      https://steemit.com/mfmp/@homosymbion/kenneth-r-shoulders-2010-interview-with-john-hutchinson-key-point-transcript

  • Karl Venter

    Can anyone enlighten us about what this Homosymbion stuff is about or is it a LENR secret

    • Bob Greenyer

      Hi Karl, it will not be LENR secret, there is a lot of people in LENR that have done secrets, my entire purpose is to make things open and I assure you I have to fight hard against certain organisations to do that. The best place to discuss (RedPill) is on the Homosymbion channels I have set up. I have made some very significant advancements in my understanding – but I don’t want to cause any feeling that the MFMP is diverted from its core, step by step planned research. Unfortunately the MFMP has been unfairly criticised in the past because I am a non-linear thinker and am unafraid to put things out for public scrutiny, for better or worse.

      You will very much understand why I have separated this out and for my own protection the reveal must be a measured one. The totality will be very difficult for people to accept and the final pieces only fell into place last Saturday evening.

      I fully expect to be ridiculed when the reveal is done – however, I do not fear that. I am already taking heat.

      This took me quite a while to decipher and transcribe – as usual, for nothing. but it is important to understand what is (RedPill)

      https://steemit.com/mfmp/@homosymbion/kenneth-r-shoulders-2010-interview-with-john-hutchinson-key-point-transcript

  • artefact

    BLP:
    YourCentralValley:

    Local business owners introduced to new energy technology

    http://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/local-business-owners-introduced-to-new-energy-technology/663753003

  • artefact

    BLP:
    YourCentralValley:

    Local business owners introduced to new energy technology

    http://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/local-business-owners-introduced-to-new-energy-technology/663753003

  • Frederic Maillard

    @ Max Temple
    Many thanks for your posts. I enjoy them a lot.

    Especially this one about Me356. I did not get the idea that a nickel wire can “breathe” significant quantities of hydrogen in and out, excess heat being produced when hydrogen is desorbed.
    I also enjoyed posts of a few posters on the LENR-Forum such as MrSelfSustain and others.

    I had a question which answer could maybe drawn from Me356’s knowledge : do you think that the nickel lattice gets “worn out” in some way after multiple cycles of hydrogen being absorbed and desorbed ? Could you elaborate in what way ?

    Thanks
    FM

    • Max Temple

      Ordinarily, a nickel wire (or powder with a higher surface area for that matter) can only absorb a very limit quantity of hydrogen under modest H2 (molecular hydrogen) pressures and temperatures. However, after cycles of cleaning the surface from oxides, deep degassing under vacuum to remove contaminant gases in the lattice, and exposure to hydrogen gas, the nickel becomes capable of absorbing MUCH higher quantities of hydrogen. Focardi and Piantelli demonstrated this in some of their early experiments. One term used is anomalous hydrogen absorption (if I remember correctly). The rate of hydrogen uptake can be enhanced further by utilizing methods of generating atomic hydrogen (H1). After proper initial prep of the powder, the production of additional H1 seems to be a major factor in the COP. This is because H1 EASILY penetrates the surface of the nickel. Conversely, H2 only slowly dissociates into atomic hydrogen.

      My understanding and personal best guess (after studying many theories and papers) is that the absorbed hydrogen can form exotic hydrogen species which are called by many different names (two are ultra dense hydrogen and hydrogen clusters). These species exist in tiny defects or empty “bubbles” in the lattice. When hydrogen atoms are migrating through the lattice (moving inward deeper or outward to the surface) they can enter one of these clusters. The sudden addition of another proton can induce a nuclear reaction between protons or neighboring nickel atoms.

      There are many ways of producing atomic hydrogen. Rossi has utilized many of them in his systems: often more than one method at the same time. A few methods are: emission of atomic hydrogen from LiAlH4 or LiH (this can be a cyclic process that happens repeatedly), hydrogen dissociation and ionization from RF frequencies (either from a proper RF antenna or as a signal piggy backed onto what’s going into the resistors), a hot tungsten filament, palladium/copper/nickel spillover catalysts (one or more of these could be mixed in with the nickel or deposited via vacuum deposition), and a few others! Literally, those were just the ones off the top of my head.

      I think that it is possible many cycles of high pressure swings could damage the nickel lattice. Basically, each time there is a very high pressure variation (cycling from low temperature to high temperature) the properly sized defects/bubbles/cavities/voids that are filled with exotic hydrogen may rupture or expand beyond what is optimal. The application of atomic hydrogen could possibly allow for continual excess heat without the need for frequent temperature/pressure swings. This is just a personal guess.

      • Frederic Maillard

        Thanks
        FM

    • Stephen

      I agree with you completely Frederic. thanks Max for this huge effort and for you’d other posts.

      It’s very curious as if I understand correctly normal hydrogen adsorption and absorption in metals is quite exothermic where as normal desorption of hydrogen is equally endothermic. The adsorption desorption rate and associated energies are quite dependent on the types of metal used and the particular crystal types.

      So it’s curious he sees most energy during desorption which is usually endothermic, but I suppose this would be consistent with LENR and further evidence for It.

      I had a curious thought about the process of adsorption and desorbtion and earlier today.

      Imagine we had some metal releasing energy exothermically whilst absorbing hydrogen. Normally this energy would be balanced by the endothermic energy when the Hydrogen is desorbed at some particular higher temperature or through pressure management.

      Obviously to be useful as a heater this would work only for a limited time until the metal became full of hydrogen or until desorption started to cool it again. It would also only produce chemical levels of heat.

      But

      What if the ingested hydrogen was processed in some way that can no longer can be desorbed as a gas but leaves vacancies available again for new hydrogen to be absorbed?

      I suppose the metal could then continue to absorb hydrogen exothermically continuing to heat up with no hydrogen desorption and associated cooling. We would need to explain where the hydrogen goes but I suppose nuclear absorbtion or dense hydrogen production as has been speculated before are possibilities there.

      Obviously this would still result in the hydrogen eventually being exhausted though and would still only produce higher chemical levels of heat from the absorbtion process even if the hydrogen product process generates much higher levels of heat it would be quickly exhausted once the hydrogen was depleted.

      But maybe there is a way around this. What if instead of the hydrogen atoms being processed via nuclear fusion of the hydrogen with the metal or dense hydrogen production there is a process that ejects the hydrogen nuclei as slow protons and perhaps electrons as slow electrons too. Some of these protons would be ejected from the metal… Especially if it is an adsorption/surface phenomena. This process would not be hydrogen gas release so would not be endothermic desorbtion in the normal sense.

      Those protons could the recombine with the electrons also generating energy and light to form hydrogen gas which could be recycled and absorbed exothermically back into the metal.

      The energy for the proton ejection would need to come from some where though. But if some slow protons do interact some how with the metal nuclei, perhaps in a Piantelli type way or some other method causing transmutations and isotopic evolutions. Perhaps that generates the energy required. But I suppose an initial stimulation or trigger would still be required to start whole process and get the first adsorbed hydrogen atoms and protons moving.

      If lithium is present and is in the line of sight of protons generated in this way perhaps this leads to LENR+. (I suppose any alpha produced by this may help hammer the adsorbed hydrogen on the metal surface to the subsurface and enhance diffusion and absorbtion of the hydrogen into the metal maybe enhancing the LENR and proton ejection happening there as well..)

      In short perhaps the nuclear effects generate kinetic energy required for the particles slow protons and electrons that are ejected, but the heat itself comes from cyclic exothermically adsorption of the hydrogen with no associated endothermic hydrogen desorption. This could perhaps produce significant COP over long periods. That could be self sustained and controlled by controlling hydrogen flow and adsorption through pressure and temperature or external stimulation.

      Obviously there are the usual questions about the radiation produced or not and how it can be suppressed or absorbed. But this is more about the heat generation and if there is a way to explain it through some kind is sustained cyclic exothermic hydrogen adsorption with no associated endothermic hydrogen desorption process.

  • Charli tapp

    Screw all this me256 answered all my questions and just quit answering but breathing is very mportant (cat and mouse ) thank you!!!!!!! Just can’t make it work . But when I do I will be back trust me

  • Stephen

    I agree with you completely Frederic. thanks Max for this huge effort and for you’d other posts.

    It’s very curious as if I understand correctly normal hydrogen adsorption and absorption in metals is quite exothermic where as normal desorption of hydrogen is equally endothermic the adsorption desorption rate and associated energies is quite dependendt on the types of metal used and the particular crystal types.

    So it’s curious he sees most energy during desorption which is usually endothermic, but I suppose this would be consistent with LENR and further evidence for It.

    I had a curious thought about the process of adsorption and desorbtion and earlier today.

    Imagine we had some metal releasing energy exothermicly whilst absorbing hydrogen. Normally this energy would be balanced by the endothermic energy when the Hydrogen is desorbed at some particular higher temperature or through pressure management.

    Obviously as a heater this would work only fo a limited time until the metal became full of hydrogen or until desorption started to cool it again. It would also only produce chemical levels of heat.

    But

    What if the ingested hydrogen was processed in some way that leaves vacancies for new hydrogen to be absorbed bug can no longer can be desorbed as a gas?

    I suppose the metal could then continue to absorb hydrogen exothermically continuing to heat up with no hydrogen desorption and associated cooling. I suppose nuclear absorbtion or dense hydrogen production are possibilities there.

    Obviously this would still result in the hydrogen eventually being exhausted though and would still only produce higher chemical levels of heat from the absorbtion process even if the hydrogen product process generates much higher levels of heat it would be quickly exhausted once the hydrogen was depleted.

    But maybe there is a way around this. What if instead of forming of nuclear fusion of the hydrogen with the metal or dense hydrogen production there is a process that ejects the hydrogen nuclei as slow protons and perhaps slow electrons too. Some of these protons would be ejected from the metal… Especially if it is an adsorption/surface phenomena. This process would not be hydrogen gas release so would not be endothermic in the normal sense.

    Those protons could the recombine with the electrons also generating energy and light to form hydrogen gas which could be recycled and absorbed exothermically back into the metal.

    The energy for the proton ejection would need to come from some where though. But if some slow protons do interact some how with the metal nuclei, perhaps in a Piantelli type way or other causing transmutations and isotopic evolutions. Perhaps that generates the energy required. But I suppose an initial trigger would still be required.

    If lithium is present and is in the line of sight of protons generated in this way perhaps this leads to LENR+

    In short perhaps the nuclear effects generate kinetic energy required for the particles slow protons and electrons that are ejected, but the heat itself comes from cyclic exothermically adsorption of the hydrogen with no associated endothermic hydrogen desorption. This could perhaps produce significant but low COP over long periods. That could be self sustained and controlled by controlling hydrogen flow and adsorption through pressure and temperature.

    Obviously there are the usual questions about the radiation produced or not and how it can be suppressed or absorbed. But this is more about the heat generation and if there is a way to explain it through some kind is sustained cyclic exothermic hydrogen adsorption with no associated endothermic hydrogen desorption process.

  • Charli tapp

    Ok I have calmed down now mabee bob is right ( they ) got to bob and made me hate for a minute. I used to be real nice until I started this adventure of free energy. I would (love) free energy so much that they could never get me. Along with everyone else and they would go away for ever. It’s just they are so good at keeping me from believing it I can’t love it so I am always mad. People think I am crazy to if someone I new saw any of my posts they would lock me up. Homosymbion I wonder if these letters are periodic table stuff just can’t figure out the lonely m . Can u enlighten me bob. And sorry bout that other stuff . Good luck and take care and hurry up with the pill please