Mats Lewan Assesses the E-Cat Story

Mats Lewan has reposted on his An Impossible Invention website and article about the current status of LENR that was originally published in the Indian journal World Affairs. For people following the history of LENR, there is a lot of information that is probably familiar, but for those unfamiliar with the topic, it provides an excellent overview of the main historical points in the field.

As many of us know, Mats, as one of the very few journalists covering this story, has many connections in the field. He has already written a book about Rossi and the E-Cat, and says that he still talks to people who are close to the story.

Many of us are eager to learn as much as we can about what is currently going on with respect to the E-Cat, and the court case between Rossi and IH, yet much of this information is hidden from the public for now Like any respectable journalist, Mats very discreet, and is careful not to reveal confidential information, or identify confidential sources. However he does make some general points in this article that may reveal some of the things he has learned through his communication with his sources.

From the article:

“Meanwhile, people with insight to the ERV report that was never released have explained to me that the result presented in the report is conclusive and that the only possible way to attack it would be to attack Rossi, the ERV, and other people involved, for fraud. Yet, based on testimonials I have received, I find the fraud hypothesis highly unlikely. Obviously, it is premature to draw any firm conclusions while the lawsuit is ongoing. Still, my strictly personal assessment, adding all the pieces of the puzzle and weighing them in direct contact with several parties, is that IH was acting logically as a venture capitalist, trying to get hold of an incredibly valuable technology at the lowest possible cost, but that it misjudged the difficulties in dealing with the inventor and other people involved. This does not mean that I find IH’s behavior correct or defendable but again that is for the court to sort out and I have confidence in its ability to do so . . .

“It is, however, more important to pay attention to a further development of the E-Cat technology that Rossi claims to have achieved. The new reactor generation is called the Quark X. According to Rossi, it is a tiny device as large as a match producing an output power of about 20 watts, which is not much. However, as with earlier reactors, the COP is supposedly high, the reaction starts instantly and the output is heat, light or even electricity. In addition, the tiny match-sized reactor can supposedly be combined in groups to achieve any total output power. This has yet to be confirmed and proven but again based on information from sources, I have reason to believe that these claims are true and that Rossi will be ready to demonstrate them within a year or maybe months.”

For me, this whole E-Cat story revolves around the importance of the technology, and this is the reason I started E-Cat World, and have continued to publish it. It’s been a much longer story than I first anticipated; after six years we still have not really had the big reveal that dismisses all doubt, one way or another.

I personally find the business and legal issues surrounding it, while of course interesting, of secondary importance. Like Mats, I feel like so far we have only a partial picture of the issues involved in the legal dispute based on information from the court case, and I think it prudent not to come to firm conclusions at this juncture.

To me, it really comes down to this: if Andrea Rossi really has come up with this ‘impossible invention’ it is an extremely valuable discovery that has very important implications for our world. Mats Lewan, who has followed this story more closely than most, and who is in contact with some of the seemingly most knowledgeable sources on the topic who are close to Rossi, still seems quite positive regarding the validity of Rossi’s discovery. To me, despite the many ongoing disputes and unanswered questions that persist, that is an indication that Rossi’s claims should still not be lightly dismissed.

  • Toulmin

    I do as most of us like Mats writing. However, I must say that his description of IH acting accordingly to a “venture capitalist logic” seems quite biased. If this would be the normal logic of venture capitalists we would have no businesses at all. Trust and reputation is the most valuable resource in business today.

    • sam

      Trust is the resource lacking between I.H. and A.R.
      I think it is Venture capitalists
      financing Brilliant Light and they
      just seem to keep humming along.

      • Recall what made RCA such a force to be reckoned with: Patents and the strong leadership of David Sarnoff.

        • Asterix

          …which included the deliberate theft of Edwin Armstrong’s patent on frequency modulation. He essentially kept throwing lawyers at Armstrong, eventually bankrupting him and driving him to suicide.

          David Sarnoff was not a nice or ethical person.

    • LindbergofSwed

      ” trying to get hold of an incredibly valuable technology at the lowest possible cost” is not necessarily bad. As I understand Mats, IH found Rossi difficult to work with as a person and not that they wanted to steal his ip and decided to drop out because of Rossi. But maybe I don’t read correctly between the lines.
      Is the Quark X big as a match? I thought it was big as a pen.

      • “Andrea Rossi
        November 4, 2016 at 11:35 AM
        Wilson Ramos:
        length 2 cm
        Diam 0.6 cm
        Rating 20 W
        Warm Regards
        A.R.”

        See: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892&cpage=179#comment-1242583

        • LindbergofSwed

          1 MW reactor will be very small. Maybe a 50 cm cube. It will mean a lot when the shipments begin.

          • Omega Z

            More like 100 cm cube. you have to have circulating space for fluids.

          • Mike

            Has anyone calculated the heat flux in MW/m2 for the QuarkX and compared to other heating devices?

    • nietsnie

      I don’t know, Toulmin, stories of friction, strife, and ultimately differences in direction between inventors and venture capitalists are easy to find in the software world. Trust and reputation are mostly obtained via legally binding contracts. Sometimes the VCs need to show profit *this* year or want to maximize profit as soon as possible whereas the inventor desperately wants to finish their vision. The fine print decides who gets what they want. Not saying that both don’t have value. Just that creativity and finance are often at odds because their goals, although overlapping, are not the same. IH has often presented itself as a champion of mankind’s – and the world’s – future and survival. But – it’s still a venture capitalist who has to answer to its investors – who reasonably expect IH to maximize the profit of their investment and risk. There’s pressure on IH too.

    • Omega Z

      Remember Apple-

      Steve Jobs. We don’t like the path you’re taking.

      You’re Out Of Here…

      Of course today we know that Steve Jobs had the last laugh.

    • LCD

      Yeah i Would have to agree. VC firms, the reputable ones, don’t last long if word gets out they screw founders over. That might have been the case years ago but the last thing Vc’s want is to have millionaire enemies. Most of them, once they believe in you, become your friend, identify themselves as part of the company family with you and become your best allies. After all they make money by making you successful.

      I think Rossi probably is just very difficult and paranoid and forced IHs hand. Rossi’s history suggests this is the case.

      I think Mats is off base there but overall I love Mats coverage. Keep up the great work Mat.

  • bfast

    “For me, this whole E-Cat story revolves around the importance of the technology.” Me too. If LENR, and I believe it works, then it will be an absolute paradigm changer.

  • bfast

    “For me, this whole E-Cat story revolves around the importance of the technology.” Me too. If LENR, and I believe it works, then it will be an absolute paradigm changer.

  • Alan DeAngelis
  • Alan DeAngelis
    • Alan DeAngelis
      • Article “But two decades ago, a pair of scientists, puzzled by the results of an experiment, thought they were observing nuclear fusion at room temperature. Ever since, fringe scientists have been trying to harness the physics-defying effect they called cold fusion. They’ve kept at it despite the fact that the original experiment turned out to be flawed.

        Uh-uh.

        NOT true.

        There have been replications since.

        Review what Dr Peter Hagelstein has to say on this issue in his MIT IAP-week videos COLDFUSIONNOW has in Youtube.

  • Samec

    One correction: 20W reactor is sized as 12V 23A battery: 20 mm long, 6 mm diameter

  • greggoble

    Quark X

    “LENR is not a narrow band set of physical phenomena”
    I’m paraphrasing Dennis Bushnell of NASA.

    gbgoblenote-
    Cold Fusion/
    LENR-LowEnergyNuclearReaction/
    LENT-LowEnergyNuclearTransmutation/
    SSNT-SolidStateNuclearTransmutation/
    The nature of electron clouds
    Thunder and lightning
    Pressure gradients
    Nanophysics
    Harmonics

    While considering the Quark X it is useful to review the works of Liviu Popa Simil, direct electrical production LENR. https://coldfusionnow.org/liviu-popa-simil-lenr-nuclear-battery-roadmap/

    In July, 2012 he presented the following paper and slide show at the LENR International Conference:

    “Roadmap to Fusion Battery – A Novel Type of Nuclear Battery and Potential Outcomes and Applications”

    ABSTRACT

    “The Fusion battery was the object of many science fiction novels and movies; the most recent one being “Star Trek,” but now it is poised to come to life. These batteries rely on a process that converts the fusion energy into electricity. They are more compact and state-of-the-art and resemble an aluminum air battery, but up to about 10 million times more powerful.

    In my developments I have learned that is possible that in a specific particle arrangement, sometimes met by nano-structures, with a specific excitation creating what now is considered exceptional conditions it is possible to generate nuclear reactions, like transmutation, fusion or fission.”

  • greggoble

    Quark X

    “LENR is not a narrow band set of physical phenomena”
    I’m paraphrasing Dennis Bushnell of NASA.

    gbgoblenote-
    Cold Fusion/
    LENR-LowEnergyNuclearReaction/
    LENT-LowEnergyNuclearTransmutation/
    SSNT-SolidStateNuclearTransmutation/
    The nature of electron clouds
    Thunder and lightning
    Pressure gradients
    Nanophysics
    Harmonics

    While considering the Quark X it is useful to review the works of Liviu Popa Simil, direct electrical production LENR. https://coldfusionnow.org/liviu-popa-simil-lenr-nuclear-battery-roadmap/

    In July, 2012 he presented the following paper and slide show at the LENR International Conference:

    “Roadmap to Fusion Battery – A Novel Type of Nuclear Battery and Potential Outcomes and Applications”

    ABSTRACT

    “The Fusion battery was the object of many science fiction novels and movies; the most recent one being “Star Trek,” but now it is poised to come to life. These batteries rely on a process that converts the fusion energy into electricity. They are more compact and state-of-the-art and resemble an aluminum air battery, but up to about 10 million times more powerful.

    In my developments I have learned that is possible that in a specific particle arrangement, sometimes met by nano-structures, with a specific excitation creating what now is considered exceptional conditions it is possible to generate nuclear reactions, like transmutation, fusion or fission.”

  • Domenico Canino

    Mats. Your view is correct. But there are many other factors in this scenario. The real question is: Who is behind IH? For me, there are entities who tried to buy Rossi’s tech because they do not want it to enter into the market. They have too much to loose by this tech on mainstream. Is not only for the money, but more on control. If these tech is for real, we have more freedom. These entities are strong. If they cannot buy Rossi, they can do disinformation payng trolls and journalist. They also can to kill Rossi.

    • LCD

      In my humble opinion IH are not criminals nor are they out to get Rossi. I think as history has shown with everyone who has ever done business with Rossi, Rossi is probably largely to blame for the break in the relationship. I think he’s very difficult for people to get along with.

      • LCD

        Doesn’t mean anyone is a fraud I just think it’s just a business deal that didn’t work out. It happens.

  • Domenico Canino

    Mats. Your view is correct. But there are many other factors in this scenario. The real question is: Who is behind IH? For me, there are entities who tried to buy Rossi’s tech because they do not want it to enter into the market. They have too much to loose by this tech on mainstream. Is not only for the money, but more on control. If these tech is for real, we have more freedom. These entities are strong. If they cannot buy Rossi, they can do disinformation payng trolls and journalist. They also can to kill Rossi.

    • LCD

      In my humble opinion IH are not criminals nor are they out to get Rossi. I think as history has shown with everyone who has ever done business with Rossi, Rossi is probably largely to blame for the break in the relationship. I think he’s very difficult for people to get along with.

      • LCD

        Doesn’t mean anyone is a fraud I just think it’s just a business deal that didn’t work out. It happens.

  • artefact
    • artefact
      • rg2mrg

        What’s so revealing about that? Known about this weapon for years thru Dr. Judy Wood.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Same as they every were. I do not meen bad or misguided – I mean people that harvest souls – souls are energy – and they should live free on the cosmic lattice for eternity in bliss.

        I seriously doubt you will want to accept (RedPill) it is going to be very bitter.

      • nietsnie

        Wasn’t something like this a Dr. Who plot?

    • Jas

      Wow!

      • Timar

        Those videos are freaking scary.

        Either Bob has lost his mind or…

        • Bob Greenyer

          I have not lost my mind – I have no intention to shoot myself twice in the back of the head or have a untimely heart attack. Love life.

          The purpose of my whole life came to a head yesterday when – against the protestations of some present, I gave the presentation I wanted at the technical university in Mumbai, India – from the heart and which has been revealed to me in the most punishing series of sleepless nights. I have shared the key components of how to ensure high excess – but the implications are going to shock you all more than I think you can handle – I need you all to video with your phones the (RedPill) video when it goes up.

          There was an old man in the room, who I had never seen before and not heard of – he looked amazed at what I was saying – at the end he pulled me over and demanded to speak to me today. That led to my visiting his facility – I have got mind blowing footage for you all – suffice to say – we have now at least 4 working technologies on 3 continents – 3 of which have been funded by the inventors themselves and 2 of which I believe are about ready to deploy – the MFMP must verify them for COP claims and Safety first before final judgement.

          But the warnings I give are absolutely sincere – not a joke and you will know why.

          • Dods

            Powerfull stuff Bob and of all of the days to post it on my birthday. Off to donate some more cash. Get this ground breaking footage up asap.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Dods – this could not have happenned without you. You are going to LOVE the footage I shot today – 240fps slow motion of the plasma and the cavitation. Thing of real beauty – the guy is such an engineering genius and said repeatedly that right here, e-cat world, was his main resource.

          • artefact

            Nice 🙂

          • Dods

            Yeah Nice 🙂

            On that note off to the fridge for a beer.

          • Asterix

            …which included the deliberate theft of Edwin Armstrong’s patent on frequency modulation. He essentially kept throwing lawyers at Armstrong, eventually bankrupting him and driving him to suicide.

            David Sarnoff was not a nice or ethical person.

          • Bob Greenyer

            HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

          • artefact

            Go Bob!

          • Bob Greenyer

            Thanks Artefact – the last few months since meeting Egely have been Spiritual and everything I have done in my life now makes sense given the presentation I had no choice but to deliver yesterday – and the fruit that bore today. More happy than you can possibly imagine – but I need to go to sleep now!

          • artefact

            Has the dark side something to do with the reaction or is it something different?

          • Bob Greenyer

            It is to do with the power density and the many ways you can instantaneously deploy it.

          • artefact

            Ok.. so the effect creating trigger can also be deployed in not contained material. And it means the effect can trigger itself.

          • Bob Greenyer

            The effect will only be triggered by specific EM interaction.

            EVOs are all around us all of the time – it is only when they are stored in sufficient quantities can they realise all of the weird stuff.

            Tesla new this – that is why his important patent were taken and embargoed until 2045. Tesla got despondent when JP Morgan said is technology would destroy the monetary system – this is far bigger than energy.

            We have the technology to stop the cycle – but time is running short, I think when they first demonstrated it, they woke something up.

          • jimbo92107

            A problem inherent in any super-concentrated form of energy release is that it could make a big BOOM with a small device. I remember the discussions of hafnium explosives…

            Bob, are you seriously worried about getting assassinated? I hope not.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Not by the weapon – I have positioned myself (without intending to until I arrived here and it dawned on me) next to one of the largest gold treasure hoards on the world. That may sound weird – but not when you understand how the weapon works.

            It is not just about boom – it is more like poof or wobble or disappear.

            No wonder someone like Kanye would go nuts if he was just told this stuff without learning his way to the understanding.

            Hafnium is NOTHING on this – Nuclear is a drop in the ocean. The video I linked on steemit – really, they can do everything.

            Remember Kenneth shoulders said you can make EVOs by walking across a room. It is storing them and amplifying their capture from the cosmic lattice that is were you can achieve these effects – some of which are heat light and electricity.

            My next video will probably be the last before (RedPill) – I did the one this morning about Love as I hope it will help people to be at peace as they come to terms with the paradigm shift. Once that is accepted, then we can move forward on the implications.

            I suspect most people will want a (BluePill)

          • Bob Greenyer

            There is a dark mode (actually transparent).

            The dark will be self evident if you can accept (RedPill)

          • TOUSSAINT francois

            I wish you all the best

          • TOUSSAINT francois
          • Jas

            On 47 minutes in the video there are some illistrations of triangle shaped craft. A red triangle is shown. Ive seen the red one in real life. It flew over my house not long after 12am on New Years Eve 2014. It was bright red and completely silent. My back garden is north to northeast facing. It flew in a straight line in that direction. It was not a shooting star. It did not look like any aircraft I have ever seen before. This video is the first one Ive seen that has mentioned a red triangle.

          • theBuckWheat

            Set up a way for others who also realize how LENR will greatly perturb the world power dynamic can also help you protect this knowledge by careful dissemination. An encrypted file archive perhaps where you give out the key and where to fetch it from. (Just like the gigabyte Wikileaks “insurance” file)

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes – I has been a work of art protecting me356 – he has it now, and the people you all spend so much time obsessing over, want to know where he is. The industrialist I visited yesterday has the goods and it is just beautiful and very resistant to all of the negative connotations because it will harvest and destroy the EVOs.

            There is another technology – favoured by those that want to meter and control that is the same thing – but thinks it is something else. In reality I suspect it is unwittingly the equivalent of the old fission reactors as a means of producing plutonium – this will produce the EVO charges for all that you can do with the technology and that may be the reason they want to control the reactors.

          • Adam Lepczak

            Bob, loved the video, but you must understand that getting the LENR out is solving only 50% of the “problem”. Another 50% is to realize the “psychopath” problem and address it. As long as people will continue to be oblivious of the diff between empath and a psychopath the world will continue to be a fucked up place. Contact me if you wont some crash course. I have encountered one of these “things” recently in my personal life.
            Some references: https://youtu.be/X7v7GFA0fUM
            https://youtu.be/bcnpfYaYwAQ (this is the type that I have encountered)
            https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Sociopath-Spent-Hiding-Plain/dp/0307956652 (her book)
            http://www.sociopathworld.com/ (great blog and forums)

            Free pdf book by Hervey Cleckley:
            https://cassiopaea.org/cass/sanity_1.PdF

            The point is that the world is full with pathological “people” in the high-up places who run things on our behalf because the current “system” pushes them up – and they raise to the top. Perhaps we can identify and address the problem -for example through the massive deployment of the “empathy test”?

            Last but not least, the twist is that a psychopathic person is actually very beneficial for the humanity. It is an “.exe” blueprint to robots who will be able to interact with “Us” and the world…
            LENR + 3 Laws of Robotics + Psychopatic person equals to this:

            https://youtu.be/qgJs7uluwlU (but make sure to include the 3 laws of robotics)

          • Bob Greenyer

            I am ready for all the abuse and the dissociation – the truth is so hard to believe.

            I will do an AMA – probably tomorrow. Live (as ever) and people can ask whatever they like.

          • Adam Lepczak

            Remember to what happened to CF in 1989. The entire “situation”/”event” makes no sense. It wasn’t a fraud perpetrated in a barn in Tennessee, but an event organized by a respected university and a group of respected scientists. Yet the overall reaction was of an opposite of what it should be. Rather than allocating more funds and brain power to research, the idea of clean and limitless energy got very quickly shelved by “scientific community”. This is by far the greatest conspiracy theory of all times and it makes no sense – unless you assume the “psychopath factor”. Be careful of it and again thank you for your fight and research.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It was death by committee – a vote killed the research.

            When you understand the awesomeness and the implications – it will make complete sense.

            They are trying the same now. I have had to fight the same forces of dis-info since September 2015 – it was their extreme attempts to destroy the MFMP that showed that their was something to hide – and boy is there!

          • Vinney

            I’m really looking to the MFMP verifying ME356 encouraging results.
            To date you have had very few high output tests that proves the effect beyond doubt ( even on one test).
            I believe Rossi has the goods, and the reaction starts from using Piantelli’s IP.
            But we are all still waiting for Rossi to provide all the conclusive evidence.
            Why doesn’t Parkomov share one of their cells for testing, in ‘strictest confidence’ that you will return it without dissecting the fuel components and preparation.
            Purely to ascertain a COP greater than three, but the duration and magnitude of the excess heat would ‘un-doubtably’ be in the nuclear range. Can we do something like this cross-culturally with the USSR.

          • Bob Greenyer

            We will test me356, not in March. Details of the claimed performance of his machine will be in (RedPill)

          • I don’t know what you think you’ve got on video, but a word of caution that no video is going to convince anybody of anything. You could have been tricked. You could have misinterpreted what you think you saw. You could be intentionally deceiving us.

            Verify whatever this is with open science and publish instructions to reproduce per MFMPs charter. And that’s just step 1.

            MFMP on deck to verify me356 is an excellent development. To the extent that is what (RedPill) is then great.

          • Bob Greenyer

            The Indian has agreed for us to look for radiation at least and do a resistive test comparison.

          • Great!

          • Bob Greenyer

            Actually – we had such an amazing connection – I think the community could write a shopping list of things you would want checked.

            He tech is a good implementation – it does need to be verified – but here you have a situation, I give a presentation, I pick particular elements and give the specific reason why they should work – I describe how Egely’s system works and he says nothing until afterwards, he asks to speak with me.

            Next day – I witness technology that he says works, with not the most optimal of my intuited combinations, but a possibility.

            He has given me some of his current fuel and I will be asking me356 to run it in his reactor.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I hope you can accept it. It is a religious experience.

    • artefact

      Senior Scientist for top US military
      contractors reveals exotic energy and transportation technology – Key
      point partial transcript
      https://steemit.com/science/@homosymbion/senior-scientist-for-top-us-military-contractors-reveals-exotic-energy-and-transportation-technology-key-point-partial

    • TOUSSAINT francois

      I perfectly understand what you are saying , the list is long…. Edwin grey, Stanley Meyer, John Hutchinson , Henry Morey, Jean Pierre Petit etc etc etc

      I am with you with all my heart

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thankyou, you will need to help me spread the message – this was a terrible message to carry.

    • doug marker

      Bob, thanks for your deep expression of faith and your commitment. As to the emergence of new energy, a lot of people share this conviction. Yet skeptics abound.

      What is worrisome about your video is that it conveys a religious zeal that presents what comes over as someone with a burden. We see deep emotion in the telling of the message. My 1st reaction was ‘oh no’ is this another case of a ‘meltdown’ similar to what happened to Sterling Allan after he had visited Defkalion in Greece and been shown their Hyperion reactor. He admitted to walking around Athens and at one point saw a group of people partying and stood on a chair in front of them to tell them the world was about to change (he was quietly asked to step down and move on by local police).

      I am sounding a caution, step back, take break, speak carefully.

      However, IMHO you have every good reason to believe that change is close and that there are people ‘hell bent’ on holding the projected changes back. Dr Steven M Greer has been telling a parallel story to many people at many levels of society/administration for many years. Assuming what he says has truth, his disclosure project still hasn’t changed what the world gets told in regard to his particular themes and goals.

      The only certainty we can believe in at this time is that man has or can find answers to most problems, and that no matter how hard certain sections of mankind try to suppress advances by others, sooner or later the advances succeed.

      Thanks for your sincere message. It has many facets.

      Doug Marker

      • Bob Greenyer

        I fear Stirling may have seen the reality. Absolutely DGT could have seen a 20T field.

        When you hear what I have to reveal you will know how hard the choice was for me. I was just about to get on a flight (5mins) and I wanted to leave an impassioned epitaph. You see when you accept what this technology can do and has already done, then you will understand my coming across all crazy like. That was the truth of my feeling.

        People will have two choices when they see (RedPill), they can choose to swallow it and help effect the change – or they can choose to deny it – in which case, we will see the cycle repeat.

        We should not be a farm for souls any longer.

    • Vinney

      Bob, I like your writings better, and I think your opinions and learnings in writing would give you a better and greater audience.

      • Bob Greenyer

        It’s strategy.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Genious

  • artefact

    Bob Greenyer:

    (Red Pill) is coming

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w82FQo_S4I

    • artefact
      • rg2mrg

        What’s so revealing about that? Known about this weapon for years thru Dr. Judy Wood.

      • nietsnie

        Wasn’t something like this a Dr. Who plot?

    • Jas

      Wow!

      • Timar

        Those videos are freaking scary.

        Either Bob has lost his mind or …

        • Bob Greenyer

          I have not lost my mind – I have no intention to shoot myself twice in the back of the head or have a untimely heart attack. Love life.

          The purpose of my whole life came to a head yesterday when – against the protestations of some present, I gave the presentation I wanted at the technical university in Mumbai, India – from the heart and which has been revealed to me in the most punishing series of sleepless nights. I have shared the key components of how to ensure high excess – but the implications are going to shock you all more than I think you can handle – I need you all to video with your phones the (RedPill) video when it goes up.

          There was an old man in the room, who I had never seen before and not heard of – he looked amazed at what I was saying – at the end he pulled me over and demanded to speak to me today. That led to my visiting his facility – I have got mind blowing footage for you all – suffice to say – we have now at least 4 working technologies on 3 continents – 3 of which have been funded by the inventors themselves and 2 of which I believe are about ready to deploy – the MFMP must verify them for COP claims and Safety first before final judgement.

          But the warnings I give are absolutely sincere – not a joke and you will know why.

          • Dods

            Powerfull stuff Bob and of all of the days to post it on my birthday. Off to donate some more cash. Get this ground breaking footage up asap.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Dods – this could not have happenned without you. You are going to LOVE the footage I shot today – 240fps slow motion of the plasma and the cavitation. Thing of real beauty – the guy is such an engineering genius and said repeatedly that right here, e-cat world, was his main resource.

          • artefact

            Nice 🙂

          • Dods

            Yeah Nice 🙂

            On that note off to the fridge for a beer.

          • Toulmin

            Who are the evil people that you talk about in the video?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Same as they every were. I do not meen bad or misguided – I mean people that harvest souls – souls are energy – and they should live free on the cosmic lattice for eternity in bliss.

            I seriously doubt you will want to accept (RedPill) it is going to be very bitter.

          • Bob Greenyer

            HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

          • hhiram

            Bob, if what you’ve seen is so significant, then share the information you have raw and let it speak for itself.

            Speaking in code words like “red pill” is not helpful (it has very negative connotations you might not be aware of: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/ ). Talking about “dark forces” and being overly dramatic only serves to undermine the credibility of LENR.

            I am as interested as anyone else to see what evidence of overunity work you have. But dramatizing and emotionalizing everything is counterproductive. LENR needs to be taken seriously, and for that it needs LESS drama and mystery, not more.

          • enantiomer2000

            It just makes him sound crazy TBH

          • Bob Greenyer

            Think chess enantiomer2000

          • Bob Greenyer

            I could not possibly dramatise this more than it deserves.

            I have one more context peace – I hope people are following the rabbit holes from them. After that I will publish my presentation the other day and some other materials which you will love.

            I will then do a live AMA

            Judge me when you understand what it is. I chose to do this, it was not an easy thing to choose.

          • Adrian

            Why, if the situation is as dire as you are saying, are other parties that know what you know not making this front page news (in the alternative media, of course)?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Look at the response is to me just preparing you. It will drive people nuts – I had to understand and come to terms with it all in real-time. Only because I did, did I see a good implementation.

            I now understand why Rossi talks about “Safety” regarding domestic versions.

            By the way – the E-CatX is, in my opinion, a safe version – since it will be harvesting EVOs and then destroying them – the problems occur when you store them.

          • georgehants

            Bob, I have drunk half a bottle of red and cannot have my afternoon snooze waiting for your revelation,
            Best wishes
            George

          • Bob Greenyer

            I will make a warning – then a context, then (RedPill)

            Hang in their bro.

            If we can fight the evil together, you will get your wish.

          • artefact

            Go Bob!

          • Bob Greenyer

            Thanks Artefact – the last few months since meeting Egely have been Spiritual and everything I have done in my life now makes sense given the presentation I had no choice but to deliver yesterday – and the fruit that bore today. More happy than you can possibly imagine – but I need to go to sleep now!

          • artefact

            Has the dark side something to do with the reaction or is it something different?

          • Bob Greenyer

            It is to do with the power density and the many ways you can instantaneously deploy it.

          • artefact

            Ok.. so the effect creating trigger can also be deployed/used in not contained material. And it means the effect can trigger itself. Like an EMP in a special frequency.

          • Bob Greenyer

            The effect will only be triggered by specific EM interaction.

            EVOs are all around us all of the time – it is only when they are stored in sufficient quantities can they realise all of the weird stuff.

            Tesla new this – that is why his important patent were taken and embargoed until 2045. Tesla got despondent when JP Morgan said is technology would destroy the monetary system – this is far bigger than energy.

            We have the technology to stop the cycle – but time is running short, I think when they first demonstrated it, they woke something up.

          • jimbo92107

            A problem inherent in any super-concentrated form of energy release is that it could make a big BOOM with a small device. I remember the discussions of hafnium explosives…

            Bob, are you seriously worried about getting assassinated? I hope not.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Not by the weapon – I have positioned myself (without intending to until I arrived here and it dawned on me) next to one of the largest gold treasure hoards on the world. That may sound weird – but not when you understand how the weapon works.

            It is not just about boom – it is more like poof or wobble or disappear.

            No wonder someone like Kanye would go nuts if he was just told this stuff without learning his way to the understanding.

            Hafnium is NOTHING on this – Nuclear is a drop in the ocean. The video I linked on steemit – really, they can do everything.

            Remember Kenneth shoulders said you can make EVOs by walking across a room. It is storing them and amplifying their capture from the cosmic lattice that is were you can achieve these effects – some of which are heat light and electricity.

            My next video will probably be the last before (RedPill) – I did the one this morning about Love as I hope it will help people to be at peace as they come to terms with the paradigm shift. Once that is accepted, then we can move forward on the implications.

            I suspect most people will want a (BluePill)

          • jimbo92107

            Bob, you are being very mysterious, as you must realize. I wish you well, but the stuff you are so far implying sounds wackier than most sci-fi. I hope you have strong evidence to support your claims, for they leave little room for over-statement.

          • Bob Greenyer

            There is a dark mode (actually transparent).

            The dark will be self evident if you can accept (RedPill)

          • TOUSSAINT francois

            I wish you all the best

          • TOUSSAINT francois
          • Jas

            On 47 minutes in the video there are some illistrations of triangle shaped craft. A red triangle is shown. Ive seen the red one in real life. It flew over my house not long after 12am on New Years Eve 2014. It was bright red and completely silent. My back garden is north to northeast facing. It flew in a straight line in that direction. It was not a shooting star. It did not look like any aircraft I have ever seen before. This video is the first one Ive seen that has mentioned a red triangle.

          • theBuckWheat

            Set up a way for others who also realize how LENR will greatly perturb the world power dynamic can also help you protect this knowledge by careful dissemination. An encrypted file archive perhaps where you give out the key and where to fetch it from. (Just like the gigabyte Wikileaks “insurance” file)

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes – It has been a work of art protecting me356 – he has it now, and the people you all spend so much time obsessing over, want to know where he is. The industrialist I visited yesterday has the goods and it is just beautiful and very resistant to all of the negative connotations because it will harvest and destroy the EVOs.

            There is another technology – favoured by those that want to meter and control that is the same thing – but thinks it is something else. In reality I suspect it is unwittingly the equivalent of the old fission reactors as a means of producing plutonium – this will produce the EVO charges for all that you can do with the technology and that may be the reason they want to control the reactors.

          • Adam Lepczak

            Bob, loved the video, but you must understand that getting the LENR out is solving only 50% of the “problem”. Another 50% is to realize the “psychopath” problem and address it. As long as people will continue to be oblivious of the diff between empath and a psychopath the world will continue to be a fucked up place. Contact me if you wont some crash course. I have encountered one of these “things” recently in my personal life.
            Some references: https://youtu.be/X7v7GFA0fUM
            https://youtu.be/bcnpfYaYwAQ (this is the type that I have encountered)
            https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Sociopath-Spent-Hiding-Plain/dp/0307956652 (her book)
            http://www.sociopathworld.com/ (great blog and forums)

            Free pdf book by Hervey Cleckley:
            https://cassiopaea.org/cass/sanity_1.PdF

            The point is that the world is full with pathological “people” in the high-up places who run things on our behalf because the current “system” pushes them up – and they raise to the top. Perhaps we can identify and address the problem -for example through the massive deployment of the “empathy test”?

            Last but not least, the twist is that a psychopathic person is actually very beneficial for the humanity. It is an “.exe” blueprint to robots who will be able to interact with “Us” and the world…
            LENR + 3 Laws of Robotics + Psychopatic person equals to this:

            https://youtu.be/qgJs7uluwlU (but make sure to include the 3 laws of robotics)

          • Bob Greenyer

            I am ready for all the abuse and the dissociation – the truth is so hard to believe.

            I will do an AMA – probably tomorrow. Live (as ever) and people can ask whatever they like.

          • Adam Lepczak

            Remember to what happened to CF in 1989. The entire “situation”/”event” makes no sense. It wasn’t a fraud perpetrated in a barn in Tennessee, but an event organized by a respected university and a group of respected scientists. Yet the overall reaction was of an opposite of what it should be. Rather than allocating more funds and brain power to research, the idea of clean and limitless energy got very quickly shelved by “scientific community”. This is by far the greatest conspiracy theory of all times and it makes no sense – unless you assume the “psychopath factor”. Be careful of it and again thank you for your fight and research.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It was death by committee – a vote killed the research.

            When you understand the awesomeness and the implications – it will make complete sense.

            They are trying the same now. I have had to fight the same forces of dis-info since September 2015 – it was their extreme attempts to destroy the MFMP that showed that their was something to hide – and boy is there!

          • georgehants

            Today we live in a society in which spurious realities are
            manufactured by the media, by governments, by big corporations, by
            religious groups, political groups…So I ask, in my writing, What is
            real? Because unceasingly we are bombarded with pseudo-realities
            manufactured by very sophisticated people using very sophisticated
            electronic mechanisms. I do not distrust their motives; I distrust their
            power. They have a lot of it. And it is an astonishing power: that of
            creating whole universes, universes of the mind. I ought to know. I do the same thing.
            Philip K. Dick

          • Bob Greenyer

            Genious

          • Vinney

            I’m really looking forward to the MFMP verifying ME356 encouraging results.
            To date you have had very few high output tests that proves the effect beyond doubt ( even on one test).
            I believe Rossi has the goods, and the reaction starts from using Piantelli’s IP.
            But we are all still waiting for Rossi to provide all the conclusive evidence.
            Why doesn’t Parkomov share one of their cells for testing, in ‘strictest confidence’ that you will return it without dissecting the fuel components and preparation.
            Purely to ascertain a COP greater than three, but the duration and magnitude of the excess heat would ‘un-doubtably’ be in the nuclear range. Can we do something like this cross-culturally with the USSR.

          • Bob Greenyer

            We will test me356, not in March. Details of the claimed performance of his machine will be in (RedPill)

          • I don’t know what you think you’ve got on video, but a word of caution that no video is going to convince anybody of anything. You could have been tricked. You could have misinterpreted what you think you saw. You could be intentionally deceiving us.

            Verify whatever this is with open science and publish instructions to reproduce per MFMPs charter. And that’s just step 1.

            MFMP on deck to verify me356 is an excellent development. To the extent that is what (RedPill) is then great.

          • Bob Greenyer

            The Indian has agreed for us to look for radiation at least and do a resistive test comparison.

          • Great!

          • Bob Greenyer

            Actually – we had such an amazing connection – I think the community could write a shopping list of things you would want checked.

            He tech is a good implementation – it does need to be verified – but here you have a situation, I give a presentation, I pick particular elements and give the specific reason why they should work – I describe how Egely’s system works and he says nothing until afterwards, he asks to speak with me.

            Next day – I witness technology that he says works, with not the most optimal of my intuited combinations, but a possibility.

            He has given me some of his current fuel and I will be asking me356 to run it in his reactor.

    • artefact

      Senior Scientist for top US military
      contractors reveals exotic energy and transportation technology – Key
      point partial transcript
      https://steemit.com/science/@homosymbion/senior-scientist-for-top-us-military-contractors-reveals-exotic-energy-and-transportation-technology-key-point-partial

    • Jerry Soloman

      ./

    • TOUSSAINT francois

      I perfectly understand what you are saying , the list is long…. Edwin grey, Stanley Meyer, John Hutchinson , Henry Morey, Jean Pierre Petit etc etc etc

      I am with you with all my heart

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thankyou, you will need to help me spread the message – this was a terrible message to carry.

    • doug marker

      Bob, thanks for your deep expression of faith and your commitment. As to the emergence of new energy, a lot of people share this conviction. Yet skeptics abound.

      What is worrisome about your video is that it conveys a religious zeal that presents what comes over as someone with a burden. We see deep emotion in the telling of the message. My 1st reaction was ‘oh no’ is this another case of a ‘meltdown’ similar to what happened to Sterling Allan after he had visited Defkalion in Greece and been shown their Hyperion reactor. He admitted to walking around Athens and at one point saw a group of people partying and stood on a chair in front of them to tell them the world was about to change (he was quietly asked to step down and move on by local police).

      I am sounding a caution, step back, take a break, speak carefully.

      However, IMHO you have every good reason to believe that change is close and that there are people ‘hell bent’ on holding the projected changes back. Dr Steven M Greer has been telling a parallel story to many people at many levels of society/administration for many years. Assuming what he says has truth, his ‘Disclosure Project’ still hasn’t changed what the world gets told in regard to his particular themes and goals.

      The only certainty we can believe in at this time is that man has or can find answers to most problems, and that no matter how hard certain sections of mankind try to suppress advances by others, sooner or later the advances succeed.

      Thanks for your sincere message. It has many facets.

      Doug Marker

      • Bob Greenyer

        I fear Stirling may have seen the reality. Absolutely DGT could have seen a 20T field.

        When you hear what I have to reveal you will know how hard the choice was for me. I was just about to get on a flight (5mins) and I wanted to leave an impassioned epitaph. You see when you accept what this technology can do and has already done, then you will understand my coming across all crazy like. That was the truth of my feeling.

        People will have two choices when they see (RedPill), they can choose to swallow it and help effect the change – or they can choose to deny it – in which case, we will see the cycle repeat.

        When Sterling Allan understood the truth, he had to confess to his crimes – what he did is what he had to do to save his soul – this will become obvious to all of you who choose to accept the (RedPill) and accept its implications.

        We should not be a farm for souls any longer.

        • archelon

          “A farm for souls” ??? Sorry for sounding ironic… but have you been watching ‘Jupiter ascending’ 24/7 The last 30 days in a row.
          Al I want proven..does there exist a new unknown way to heat a cup of Tee.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes there is a way to heat tea that is not generally used at the moment. Is it new – not so sure about that.

    • jimbo92107

      One problem with the phrase Red Pill is that it’s the name of a documentary on the controversial “men’s rights” movement. That’s what came up when I googled it, anyway… 😉

      • Bob Greenyer

        It is also an accepted meme which is very appropriate.

      • Josh G

        It all comes from the first Matrix movie where Morpheus offers Neo to take either the red pill or the blue pill. Red pill and he snaps out of the matrix; blue pill and he wakes up in his bed remembering nothing. The men’s rights guys took it from there, but as Bob notes it’s also a well-known phrase or meme in conspiracy theory circles.

        • jimbo92107

          I know, I know. The Red Pill analogy works for anything that represents radical change or mental re-conception. Blue is simply status quo.

          The problem is that the Red Pill also represents car chases, gun fights, space aliens, etc. It’s a bit extreme, even for conspiracies to hide wonderful power sources. Bob has indicated an extreme tech that can make buildings go poof, and here it comes, ready or not. We shall see.

    • evleer

      This world is not what people generally believe it to be. It takes serious research into ones own existence to awaken from the illusion that the matrix of society imposes upon us. Yet, I don’t see how building up to this revelation (RedPill) in a couple of video’s would help prepare your audience for what’s coming (whatever it is). Let the facts speak for themselves. People will draw their own conclusions no matter what. To the contrary: the longer you wait presenting what you have, the more they will be convinced that you have nothing at all.

      • Bob Greenyer

        I am on a limited connection in India. I need to just be ontological about this and follow my heart. It is nearly the right time.

    • Vinney

      Bob, I like your writings better, and I think your opinions and learnings in writing would give you a better and greater audience.

      • Bob Greenyer

        It’s strategy.

    • Jerry Soloman

      looking forward to the Red Pill Revelations. Cheers Bob

      • Bob Greenyer

        I hope you can accept it. It is a religious experience.

    • rg2mrg

      I can’t believe I’m the one who has to break the news to you . . . I who am a complete nothing when it comes to science. But, dammit, stop talking about going to the stars! There are no stars to go to! The heavens is not a material domain! Honestly, with all the sophisticated science types on this forum, is no one hip to the flat earth revelation? You all think its ridiculous? This is the lynchpin, THE conspiracy meant to hide our divine origin. It completely dwarfs LENR. Everyone on here still thinks we went to the moon? Please, do some research! No curvature, no Antarctic continent, no satellites, no 1,000 mph spinning ball, no revolution around a 93 million mile distant sun, no movement at all! There’s your red pill!

  • Bob Greenyer

    Look at the response is to me just preparing you. It will drive people nuts – I had to understand and come to terms with it all in real-time. Only because I did, did I see a good implementation.

    I now understand why Rossi talks about “Safety” regarding domestic versions.

    By the way – the E-CatX is, in my opinion, a safe version – since it will be harvesting EVOs and then destroying them – the problems occur when you store them.

    • georgehants

      Bob, I have drunk half a bottle of red and cannot have my afternoon snooze waiting for your revelation,
      Best wishes
      George

      • Bob Greenyer

        I will make a warning – then a context, then (RedPill)

        Hang in their bro.

        If we can fight the evil together, you will get your wish.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I could not possibly dramatise this more than it deserves.

    I have one more context peace – I hope people are following the rabbit holes from them. After that I will publish my presentation the other day and some other materials which you will love.

    I will then do a live AMA

    Judge me when you understand what it is. I chose to do this, it was not an easy thing to choose.

  • Toulmin

    I guess Bobs beliefs are not more weird or strange than other religious texts? Techno-religion FTW!

    • Bob Greenyer

      Search the religious texts and you will find Hindu warriors fighting in the air having held water in their hands and chanting mantras.

      You will find people returning from the dead.

      You will find animals raining and structures built that seem impossible and pillars that don’t rust.

      You will also see that in each and every age, the bulk of the population cast out those that discover this knowledge because they can’t handle the truth.

      (RedPill) is coming – will you swallow it?

      • Mike Rion

        And they call Rossi a flim flam man. I’ve never heard such rubbish.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Search the religious texts and you will find Hindu warriors fighting in the air having held water in their hands and chanting mantras.

    You will find people returning from the dead.

    You will find animals raining and structures built that seem impossible and pillars that don’t rust.

    You will also see that in each and every age, the bulk of the population cast out those that discover this knowledge because they can’t handle the truth.

    (RedPill) is coming – will you swallow it?

    • Mike Rion

      And they call Rossi a flim flam man. I’ve never heard such rubbish.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I have lost my fear – since I have accepted the truth – it is beautiful. However, (RedPill) will not only show you when this technology has been used, but also on what and by whom. I will not even need to say it – I had to do this, I had no choice – I see now my whole life, everything I have seen and done, all the people I have met – even where I am now is part of this synchronicity.

    The seven elders that gave me the clues which led me to the answer. I stopped believing this was a coincidence a long time ago.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I have lost my fear – since I have accepted the truth – it is beautiful. However, (RedPill) will not only show you when this technology has been used, but also on what and by whom. I will not even need to say it – I had to do this, I had no choice – I see now my whole life, everything I have seen and done, all the people I have met – even where I am now is part of this synchronicity.

    The seven elders that gave me the clues which led me to the answer. I stopped believing this was a coincidence a long time ago.

  • Bob Greenyer

    It is also an accepted meme which is very appropriate.

  • sam
    • I will not be swallowing this religion-coated (RedPill) without convincing scientific evidence.

      Can you provide it, Bob?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Judge me on the evidence. I have been an atheist for 25 years. Not now.

        • I intend to. Alright I will await your evidence with an open mind.

    • TOUSSAINT francois
    • TOUSSAINT francois
    • theBuckWheat

      To be concerned about the full implications of any new technology is only prudent. The more power that a new technology can impart the more we must understand what good it can bring and what evil uses it can be put to.

      I do not fault you for your concerns. Satan does exist. There are humans who are his willing children in every age. How else do you explain Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, Mao?

      Every new technology is used by humanity for both good and evil for that is the way of man apart from God. We cannot stop progress, nor should we shrink from developing new technology lest it can only be used by the children of Satan for evil against those who oppose evil.

      • sam

        1 Timothy 6:10-12King James Version (KJV)

        10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

        11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

        12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

        • Bob Greenyer

          10 is the key – it is part of (RedPill) – but not how you would think of it first.

          Chills on spine, you will be able to take (RedPill) sam. Good luck

      • Bob Greenyer

        Amen

        Right now it is in the hands of the Satanists. I fear for Californians the most.

        • Frank Acland

          Bob, please post comments on redpill in the new dedicated thread.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Ok – got you.

        • Mike Rion

          Right on Bob, most of us anyway.

  • sam
    • TOUSSAINT francois
    • TOUSSAINT francois
    • theBuckWheat

      To be concerned about the full implications of any new technology is only prudent. The more power that a new technology can impart the more we must understand what good it can bring and what evil uses it can be put to.

      I do not fault you for your concerns. Satan does exist. There are humans who are his willing children in every age. How else do you explain Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, Mao?

      Every new technology is used by humanity for both good and evil for that is the way of man apart from God. We cannot stop progress, nor should we shrink from developing new technology lest it can only be used by the children of Satan for evil against those who oppose evil.

      • sam

        1 Timothy 6:10-12King James Version (KJV)

        10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

        11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

        12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

        • Bob Greenyer

          10 is the key – it is part of (RedPill) – but not how you would think of it first.

          Chills on spine, you will be able to take (RedPill) sam. Good luck

      • Bob Greenyer

        Amen

        Right now it is in the hands of the Satanists. I fear for Californians the most.

        • Frank Acland

          Bob, please post comments on redpill in the new dedicated thread.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Ok – got you.

        • Mike Rion

          Right on Bob, most of us anyway.

  • I will not be swallowing this religion-coated (RedPill) without convincing scientific evidence.

    Can you provide it, Bob?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Judge me on the evidence. I have been an atheist for 25 years. Not now.

      • I intend to. Alright I will await your evidence with an open mind.

  • Bob Sheeter

    Sadly, it appears that Bob Greenyer is bipolar and having a manic episode. This is not a joke, i have seen people suffer this in the past.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks. I expect more harsh criticism tomorrow. I had a choice on Wednesday, to take the easy path and walk away from LENR or say it as it is. Look at the specific elements I have highlighted in the first part of the release – I did not pick these in that order by chance.

      When I do the live Ask Me Anything (AMA) you can judge for yourself.

    • Hhiram

      Yeah, unless drugs are involved I think this it is pretty obviously what is happening – a manic episode as a function of either being bipolar or perhaps stress/exhaustion. It’s quite normal. Bob will probably be very embarrassed about the whole business a month or two from now.

      It may be that there is some really interesting information that he has come across which precipitated this episode. New personal “discoveries” often trigger these sorts of manic come-to-Jesus moments in people.

      All of this would be merely local drama if it weren’t for Bob playing an important role in MFMP and the struggle to bring LENR into the mainstream (IF it is a real technology, which we STILL don’t bloody know after 25 years). This sort of episode only further harms LENR’s already poor reputation.

  • artefact

    Bob Greenyer:

    Cavitaion:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohoa5OPq79g

    “According to Kenneth Shoulders, fusion occurring in cavitation is simply
    due to the cavitation bubble creating charge separation which forms
    EVOs with energy pulled from the structure of the physical vacuum. When
    the bubble collapses the EVOs are destroyed and this causes the fusion.”

    From Youtube comments:
    “[Its a] Hi power transducer, one aspect of the claimed technology shown to me”
    “There is much more – now I must talk about other things”

  • artefact

    Bob Greenyer:

    Cavitaion:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohoa5OPq79g

    “According to Kenneth Shoulders, fusion occurring in cavitation is simply
    due to the cavitation bubble creating charge separation which forms
    EVOs with energy pulled from the structure of the physical vacuum. When
    the bubble collapses the EVOs are destroyed and this causes the fusion.”

    From Youtube comments:
    “[Its a] Hi power transducer, one aspect of the claimed technology shown to me”
    “There is much more – now I must talk about other things”

  • Frank Acland

    I have made a new thread for (Redpill) discussion, please let’s keep the discussion about it there
    http://www.e-catworld.com/2017/03/02/redpill-thread/

  • Bob Greenyer

    I am on a limited connection in India. I need to just be ontological about this and follow my heart. It is nearly the right time.

  • Josh G

    It all comes from the first Matrix movie where Morpheus offers Neo to take either the red pill or the blue pill. Red pill and he snaps out of the matrix; blue pill and he wakes up in his bed remembering nothing. The men’s rights guys took it from there, but as Bob notes it’s also a well-known phrase or meme in conspiracy theory circles.

  • sam

    Comments from Lenr forum

    barty wrote:
    Dewey Weaver
    How went the site visit yesterday? Any news?
    I think the site visit is today Mar 3
    post corrected-
    oops, my mistake, I checked and it was yesterday 2nd
    The post was edited 1 time, last by oldguy (6 hours ago).
    Online
    Dewey Weaver
    Professional
    6 hours ago
    +3
    Been busy – site visit was yesterday. A long combative day between the lawyers but it went well and our experts have all they need to finish out their reports.
    Suddenly – folks cannot remember how to speak English – fascinating.
    JedRothwell, Shane D. and oldguy like this.

    oldguy
    Intermediate
    6 hours ago
    Will we get transcripts of the site visit?

    IH Fanboy
    Professional
    6 hours ago

    Dewey Weaver wrote:

    Suddenly – folks cannot remember how to speak English – fascinating.

    If you are referring to Rossi, he’s always had very broken spoken English. Listen to any interview of him and you will find him asking the meaning of very basic words, and often misunderstanding the questioner. I don’t think your claim here helps you much.

    Nigel Appleton
    Student
    5 hours ago

    Dewey Weaver wrote:
    Been busy – site visit was yesterday. A long combative day between the lawyers but it went well and our experts have all they need to finish out their reports.
    Suddenly – folks cannot remember how to speak English – fascinating.
    Any sign of despoliation of evidence?
    Online
    zorud
    Student
    5 hours ago
    DW is commenting here on lawyers only who met there…so I guess the ones who had problems with speaking english were not the ones from the defendant party.
    Online
    Dewey Weaver
    Professional
    5 hours ago
    Planet Rossi knows who was there and who was not and there was no court reporter for the site inspection.
    R’s been getting a lot of English practice in all the depositions – its amazing how connected that man is to his story.
    Online
    Alan Smith
    Moderator
    4 hours ago
    +2
    Dewey Weaver

    Did you visit Doral? If so you are in a good position to settle a debate that has flickered on and off in here. I am sure you would have checked the size of the steam-pipe. Is it DN40, or bigger than that? And while we’re at it, what did you see in the ‘customer’ area?
    JedRothwell and ZenoOfElea like this.
    Online
    Dewey Weaver
    Professional
    3 hours ago
    +3
    Alan – I have not been to Doral in person. The story is interesting in that it continues to evolve over what was there and photographed on inspection day vs
    what Planet Rossi thinks / wishes was there during the “customer” rental period including pipe sizes (and since for that matter). Lots of explaining left for the Plaintiff’s side.
    One moral of the story has become clear – teach your children that you can tell the truth the same way every time but can never tell a lie the same way twice.
    JedRothwell, Rigel and oldguy like this.
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    Alan Smith
    Moderator
    3 hours ago
    Thanks.

    oldguy
    Intermediate
    23 minutes ago
    Anyone here with connections to the site visit people to know the pipe size?

  • sam

    Comments from Lenr forum

    barty wrote:
    Dewey Weaver
    How went the site visit yesterday? Any news?
    I think the site visit is today Mar 3
    post corrected-
    oops, my mistake, I checked and it was yesterday 2nd
    The post was edited 1 time, last by oldguy (6 hours ago).
    Online
    Dewey Weaver
    Professional
    6 hours ago
    +3
    Been busy – site visit was yesterday. A long combative day between the lawyers but it went well and our experts have all they need to finish out their reports.
    Suddenly – folks cannot remember how to speak English – fascinating.
    JedRothwell, Shane D. and oldguy like this.

    oldguy
    Intermediate
    6 hours ago
    Will we get transcripts of the site visit?

    IH Fanboy
    Professional
    6 hours ago

    Dewey Weaver wrote:

    Suddenly – folks cannot remember how to speak English – fascinating.

    If you are referring to Rossi, he’s always had very broken spoken English. Listen to any interview of him and you will find him asking the meaning of very basic words, and often misunderstanding the questioner. I don’t think your claim here helps you much.

    Nigel Appleton
    Student
    5 hours ago

    Dewey Weaver wrote:
    Been busy – site visit was yesterday. A long combative day between the lawyers but it went well and our experts have all they need to finish out their reports.
    Suddenly – folks cannot remember how to speak English – fascinating.
    Any sign of despoliation of evidence?
    Online
    zorud
    Student
    5 hours ago
    DW is commenting here on lawyers only who met there…so I guess the ones who had problems with speaking english were not the ones from the defendant party.
    Online
    Dewey Weaver
    Professional
    5 hours ago
    Planet Rossi knows who was there and who was not and there was no court reporter for the site inspection.
    R’s been getting a lot of English practice in all the depositions – its amazing how connected that man is to his story.
    Online
    Alan Smith
    Moderator
    4 hours ago
    +2
    Dewey Weaver

    Did you visit Doral? If so you are in a good position to settle a debate that has flickered on and off in here. I am sure you would have checked the size of the steam-pipe. Is it DN40, or bigger than that? And while we’re at it, what did you see in the ‘customer’ area?
    JedRothwell and ZenoOfElea like this.
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    Dewey Weaver
    Professional
    3 hours ago
    +3
    Alan – I have not been to Doral in person. The story is interesting in that it continues to evolve over what was there and photographed on inspection day vs
    what Planet Rossi thinks / wishes was there during the “customer” rental period including pipe sizes (and since for that matter). Lots of explaining left for the Plaintiff’s side.
    One moral of the story has become clear – teach your children that you can tell the truth the same way every time but can never tell a lie the same way twice.
    JedRothwell, Rigel and oldguy like this.
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    Alan Smith
    Moderator
    3 hours ago
    Thanks.

    oldguy
    Intermediate
    23 minutes ago
    Anyone here with connections to the site visit people to know the pipe size?

  • Rene

    Frank, the next time you censor my question, do have the decency to ask me about it.

  • f sedei

    Maybe the tremendous complexities of science influence some toward stronger acceptance in the supernatural and occult. This may be the result of the belief that the scientific problem is beyond the ability of mankind to solve. And, this belief may continue until, and even after, the issue is scientifically resolved.

    • William D. Fleming

      Maybe the staggering implications of existence influence some toward the pursuit of science. This may be despite their awareness that the scientific method is incapable of answering, or even addressing the deep enigmas of life. And this awareness may continue forever, despite the advances of science.

  • f sedei

    Maybe the tremendous complexities of science influence some toward stronger acceptance in the supernatural and occult. This may be the result of the belief that the scientific problem is beyond the ability of mankind to solve. And, this belief may continue until, and even after, the issue is scientifically resolved.

    • William D. Fleming

      Maybe the staggering implications of existence influence some toward the pursuit of science. This may be despite their awareness that the scientific method is incapable of answering, or even addressing the deep enigmas of life. And this awareness may continue forever, despite the advances of science.

  • sam
  • sam
  • roseland67

    Great,
    Then Andrea has nothing to worry about and we can finally expect to see a working Ecat.

  • sam

    Gerard McEk
    March 7, 2017 at 7:47 AM
    Dear Andrea,
    It must come as a relieve that you can spend some time on the QuarkX’s again. Obviously the tests went on while you were occupied by the litigation work, so it didn’t cause too much delay in the development, I hope.
    1. Now you can spend some more time on the QuarkX’s, can you perhaps tell us what type of additional tests you are planning to do?
    2. Is it related to the theory you are developing simultaneously?
    3. One of te most difficult issues with LENR is the lack of radiation, while transmutation and/or apparent fusion seem to take place. Do you think you can explain this in your developing theory?
    4. No doubt you are aware of the work of prof. Holmlid at al. He found that irradiating ultra dense hydrogen with a green laser produces al lot of energy, but he has detected also muons. Have you ever tried to detect these as well?
    Thank you for answering our questions.
    Kind regards, Gerard

    Andrea Rossi
    March 7, 2017 at 7:54 AM
    Gerard McEk:
    1- no new kinds of tests, just marching toward Sigma 5, but with more attention to the theoretical bases
    2- yes
    3- yes
    4- I prefer not to comment on this
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Translate
    Madeline
    March 7, 2017 at 6:15 AM
    Dr Andrea Rossi:
    Can you give us a listing of the instrumentation you are using to measure the performance of the QuarkX?
    Cheers,
    Madeline

    Andrea Rossi
    March 7, 2017 at 7:52 AM
    Madeline:
    Thermometers, thermochamber, spectrometer, flowmeter, gamma rays detector, wattmeter, plus the usual parafernalia.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Samuel
    March 6, 2017 at 7:54 PM
    Dr Andrea Rossi:
    When you will make the presentation of the QuarkX after the end of the litigation on course, will you make a worldwide streaming for all the duration of the demo?

    Andrea Rossi
    March 7, 2017 at 7:52 AM
    Samuel:
    Yes.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    JPR
    March 7, 2017 at 7:11 AM
    Update? Are you binding the theory with the experiments?

    Andrea Rossi
    March 7, 2017 at 7:49 AM
    JPR:
    Yes, this week will be focused exactly on this issue, collecting all the data we have now ( many ).
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    L.E.
    March 6, 2017 at 1:43 PM
    Dr Andrea Rossi:
    How is going your “free day” dedicated to the QuarkX?

    Andrea Rossi
    March 6, 2017 at 4:30 PM
    L.E.:
    Very well, we are approaching the mythical Sigma 5, I am very satisfied about what I saw today.
    Important events I can see in the horizon.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • sam

    Gerard McEk
    March 7, 2017 at 7:47 AM
    Dear Andrea,
    It must come as a relieve that you can spend some time on the QuarkX’s again. Obviously the tests went on while you were occupied by the litigation work, so it didn’t cause too much delay in the development, I hope.
    1. Now you can spend some more time on the QuarkX’s, can you perhaps tell us what type of additional tests you are planning to do?
    2. Is it related to the theory you are developing simultaneously?
    3. One of te most difficult issues with LENR is the lack of radiation, while transmutation and/or apparent fusion seem to take place. Do you think you can explain this in your developing theory?
    4. No doubt you are aware of the work of prof. Holmlid at al. He found that irradiating ultra dense hydrogen with a green laser produces al lot of energy, but he has detected also muons. Have you ever tried to detect these as well?
    Thank you for answering our questions.
    Kind regards, Gerard

    Andrea Rossi
    March 7, 2017 at 7:54 AM
    Gerard McEk:
    1- no new kinds of tests, just marching toward Sigma 5, but with more attention to the theoretical bases
    2- yes
    3- yes
    4- I prefer not to comment on this
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Translate
    Madeline
    March 7, 2017 at 6:15 AM
    Dr Andrea Rossi:
    Can you give us a listing of the instrumentation you are using to measure the performance of the QuarkX?
    Cheers,
    Madeline

    Andrea Rossi
    March 7, 2017 at 7:52 AM
    Madeline:
    Thermometers, thermochamber, spectrometer, flowmeter, gamma rays detector, wattmeter, plus the usual parafernalia.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Samuel
    March 6, 2017 at 7:54 PM
    Dr Andrea Rossi:
    When you will make the presentation of the QuarkX after the end of the litigation on course, will you make a worldwide streaming for all the duration of the demo?

    Andrea Rossi
    March 7, 2017 at 7:52 AM
    Samuel:
    Yes.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    JPR
    March 7, 2017 at 7:11 AM
    Update? Are you binding the theory with the experiments?

    Andrea Rossi
    March 7, 2017 at 7:49 AM
    JPR:
    Yes, this week will be focused exactly on this issue, collecting all the data we have now ( many ).
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    L.E.
    March 6, 2017 at 1:43 PM
    Dr Andrea Rossi:
    How is going your “free day” dedicated to the QuarkX?

    Andrea Rossi
    March 6, 2017 at 4:30 PM
    L.E.:
    Very well, we are approaching the mythical Sigma 5, I am very satisfied about what I saw today.
    Important events I can see in the horizon.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Yes there is a way to heat tea that is not generally used at the moment. Is it new – not so sure about that.

  • Rene
  • Rene
  • LCD

    I’m not saying Rossi has nothing because I do believe he does but much like bloom energy this could be another 5 years before we see anything practical.

    The problem as i see it following this story from day one is that even though the setup of the ecat seems simple by comparison (to say bloom energy cells), the theory is maybe 2 orders of magnitude more difficult.

    Rossi is probably unwilling to admit this but he probably will not release a product until he has mastered the theory. That is maybe unwise maybe smart, but it certainly will delay things.

    I will remind people that the story of bloom energy has many many parallels to the ecat and they should read about it.

    • Axil Axil

      Since Rossi does not understand what processes are at work in his LENR reaction, he cannot properly optimize the energy produced by that reaction. Most of the energy that is generated by the reaction goes toward muon production. If those muons where optimized in a invention that used them to produce energy, then the LENR reaction would be properly utilized. As it is, most energy produced by LENR is wasted.

      • LCD

        Axil maybe you are too confident there. If that were the case, it probably would be pretty straightforward to make that happen given all the work over the years in muon catalyze fusion, which was the original “cold fusion”. No?

        • Axil Axil

          Muons are highly penetrating and hard to shield. Most muons will escape the reactor and their energy will be lost.

          A heavy metal will produce a million times higher reaction rate than does hydrogen, so a lead or thorium interaction is the best medium in which to capture the energy content of muons.

          The best way to utilize muons is to confined them in a thick cover that surrounds the muon source. A molten lead or thorium reactor that produces fission of the heavy metal will be where most of the energy potential of the muon reaction would be captured.

          Fission of the heavy metal will produce the most energy and shield the muon flux through maximum iteration.

        • Omega Z

          ->”story of bloom energy has many parallels to the ecat”

          Just as there are (inventor verses venture capitalist) nightmares so similar to RvD that only the names need be changed.

          This is far to common.

          • LCD

            Im no VC but a bonafied entrepreneur, with investors, and I’m sorry but to just say it’s “far too common” seems like a complete and total generalization. You just don’t know that. I’m willing to bet your understanding of modern VCS is pretty dated and your sources are innuendo.

            Case in point all the other entrepreneurs that Darden invested in don’t seem to be having any problems, in fact several of them stated that Darden and company were​ great investors.

            Fact is Rossi ain’t all roses and he can’t seem to keep his mouth shut when maybe he should have. Also in the time I’ve followed him he’s developed a reputation of basically alienating people and being distrustful. Virtually all his partnerships have evaporated. And while I don’t blame him for a lot of the trouble in italy, he did get into trouble.

            He’s what you would call problematic. Trouble seems​ to follow him.

            So before you go judging Darden, who incidentally has never stated that Rossi’s invention was a fraud just that he didn’t deliver on his promises to Darden’s satisfaction, before judging him you should let this play out. And if anybody deserves to be prejudged it should be Rossi, not Darden.

  • LCD

    I’m not saying Rossi has nothing because I do believe he does but much like bloom energy this could be another 5 years before we see anything practical.

    The problem as i see it following this story from day one is that even though the setup of the ecat seems simple by comparison (to say bloom energy cells), the theory is maybe 2 orders of magnitude more difficult.

    Rossi is probably unwilling to admit this but he probably will not release a product until he has mastered the theory. That is maybe unwise maybe smart, but it certainly will delay things.

    I will remind people that the story of bloom energy has many many parallels to the ecat and they should read about it.

    • Axil Axil

      Since Rossi does not understand what processes are at work in his LENR reaction, he cannot properly optimize the energy produced by that reaction. We know from Leif Hokmlid’s research, most of the energy that is generated by the reaction goes toward muon production. If those muons were optimized in an invention that uses them to produce energy, then the LENR reaction would be properly harnessed. As it stands now, most energy produced by LENR is wasted.

      • LCD

        Axil maybe you are too confident there. If that were the case, it probably would be pretty straightforward to make that happen given all the work over the years in muon catalyze fusion, which was the original “cold fusion”. No?

        • Axil Axil

          Muons are highly penetrating and hard to shield. Most muons will escape the reactor and their energy will be lost.

          A heavy metal will produce a million times higher reaction rate than does hydrogen, so a lead or thorium interaction is the best medium in which to capture the energy content of muons.

          The best way to utilize muons is to confined them in a thick cover that surrounds the muon source. A molten lead or thorium reactor that produces fission of the heavy metal will be where most of the energy potential of the muon reaction would be captured.

          Fission of the heavy metal will produce the most energy and shield the muon flux through maximum iteration.

        • Omega Z

          ->”story of bloom energy has many parallels to the ecat”

          Just as there are (inventor verses venture capitalist) nightmares so similar to RvD that only the names need be changed.

          This is far to common.

          • LCD

            Im no VC but a bonafied entrepreneur, with investors, and I’m sorry but to just say it’s “far too common” seems like a complete and total generalization. You just don’t know that. I’m willing to bet your understanding of modern VCS is pretty dated and your sources are innuendo.

            Case in point all the other entrepreneurs that Darden invested in don’t seem to be having any problems, in fact several of them stated that Darden and company were​ great investors.

            Fact is Rossi ain’t all roses and he can’t seem to keep his mouth shut when maybe he should have. Also in the time I’ve followed him he’s developed a reputation of basically alienating people and being distrustful. Virtually all his partnerships have evaporated. And while I don’t blame him for a lot of the trouble in italy, he did get into trouble.

            He’s what you would call problematic. Trouble seems​ to follow him.

            So before you go judging Darden, who incidentally has never stated that Rossi’s invention was a fraud just that he didn’t deliver on his promises to Darden’s satisfaction, before judging him you should let this play out. And if anybody deserves to be prejudged it should be Rossi, not Darden.

  • HappyHighwayman

    It’s a scam to sell technology that you can’t duplicate the effect or explain how it works.

    • cashmemorz

      When I had a few drinks too many I feel like writing in your style. Then I sober up and feel glad I did not post. I like to keep my integrity as a serious poster. But then you must like your booze more than your integrity so go ahead.

  • HappyHighwayman

    It’s a scam to sell technology that you can’t duplicate the effect or explain how it works.

    • cashmemorz

      When I had a few drinks too many I feel like writing in your style. Then I sober up and feel glad I did not post. I like to keep my integrity as a serious poster. But then you must like your booze more than your integrity so go ahead.

  • There are some major new documents released in the court case. Highlights:

    Rossi’s motion for sanctions against IH has been GRANTED. Apparently IH was harassing the Lugano professors — by way of a couple of Isrealis and Dewey! — with thinly veiled intimidation and bribes for them to recant their support for the Lugano Report results. Levi swore an affidavit to that effect.

    There are some nuggets from Darden about times where some of their prototype reactors (that they built buy the dozens for testing) melted/exploded and left marks of very high temperatures that would not have been achievable by electric resistance or chemical reactions.

    There’s some confusion about the reactor body sample — report says it’s from a ridge and pure alumina… IH seems to think it was something else taken from somewhere else and covered with paint.

    Rossi is ALL about the Nobel Prize for years now.

    Certainly these revelations bolster Rossi’s version of events to somewhere back near even — even though the fake customer still stinks. Worth reading.
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzKtdce19-wyb1RxOTF6c2NtZkk

  • There are some major new documents released in the court case. Highlights:

    Rossi’s motion for sanctions against IH has been GRANTED. xxx-EDIT-xxx still just proposed and unsigned Apparently IH was harassing the Lugano professors — by way of a couple of Isrealis and Dewey! — with thinly veiled intimidation and bribes for them to recant their support for the Lugano Report results. Levi swore an affidavit to that effect.

    There are some nuggets from Darden about times where some of their prototype reactors (that they built buy the dozens for testing) melted/exploded and left marks of very high temperatures that would not have been achievable by electric resistance or chemical reactions.

    There’s some confusion about the reactor body sample — report says it’s from a ridge and pure alumina… IH seems to think it was something else taken from somewhere else and covered with paint.

    Rossi is ALL about the Nobel Prize for years now.

    Certainly these revelations bolster Rossi’s version of events to somewhere back near even — even though the fake customer still stinks. Worth reading.
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzKtdce19-wyb1RxOTF6c2NtZkk

    • Frank Acland

      LENR G, actually the Motion for Sanctions is only a *Proposed* Motion, that Rossi’s team has submitted. The judge has not signed the order, and has not yet made a determination about it.

  • sam

    Frank Acland
    March 10, 2017 at 10:51 AM
    Dear Andrea,

    In any of the QuarkX reactors you have been testing so far, have you had to replace the charges since you started operating them?

    Many thanks,

    Frank Acland

    Andrea Rossi
    March 10, 2017 at 10:53 AM
    Frank Acland:
    Not yet.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • sam

    Frank Acland
    March 10, 2017 at 10:51 AM
    Dear Andrea,

    In any of the QuarkX reactors you have been testing so far, have you had to replace the charges since you started operating them?

    Many thanks,

    Frank Acland

    Andrea Rossi
    March 10, 2017 at 10:53 AM
    Frank Acland:
    Not yet.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • sam

    JPR
    March 11, 2017 at 5:43 PM
    Update?

    Andrea Rossi
    March 11, 2017 at 6:03 PM
    JPR:
    Good standing, Sigma 5 in view.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • sam

    JPR
    March 11, 2017 at 5:43 PM
    Update?

    Andrea Rossi
    March 11, 2017 at 6:03 PM
    JPR:
    Good standing, Sigma 5 in view.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • sam

    Patrick Ellul
    March 11, 2017 at 10:23 PM
    Dear Andrea,
    When you reach sigma 5 and introduce the quarkX, will you also explain how you arrived to the conclusion that sigma 5 was achieved?
    Regards

    Translate
    Andrea Rossi
    March 11, 2017 at 11:22 PM
    Patrick Ellul:
    Yes.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Frank Acland
    March 11, 2017 at 6:28 PM
    Dear Andrea,

    What do you expect to happen when you reach Sigma 5?

    Best wishes,

    Frank Acland

    Translate
    Andrea Rossi
    March 11, 2017 at 8:05 PM
    Frank Acland:
    The QuarkX will be introduced.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • sam

    Patrick Ellul
    March 11, 2017 at 10:23 PM
    Dear Andrea,
    When you reach sigma 5 and introduce the quarkX, will you also explain how you arrived to the conclusion that sigma 5 was achieved?
    Regards

    Translate
    Andrea Rossi
    March 11, 2017 at 11:22 PM
    Patrick Ellul:
    Yes.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Frank Acland
    March 11, 2017 at 6:28 PM
    Dear Andrea,

    What do you expect to happen when you reach Sigma 5?

    Best wishes,

    Frank Acland

    Translate
    Andrea Rossi
    March 11, 2017 at 8:05 PM
    Frank Acland:
    The QuarkX will be introduced.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Flo

    not yet out for sell after 10 years….