MFMP on Site Preparing for Me356 Testing (Update #1 — Testing Documentation Published)

UPDATE #2 (May 24, 2017)

Here’s a new video posted by the MFMP today of another test they have been doing — “Comparing flow rate to water mass over time”

UPDATE #1

A document providing live updates on the status of test preparation has been published by the MFMP has been published here:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1puq-FskyCZyFlshjBF4AF53TEB9tzgWQO2My0hVFGsg/edit#

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The latest updates from the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project report that they are getting things set up for testing of the Me356 LENR system. The team of Bob Greenyer, Alan Goldwater, Ryan Hunt and Brian Albiston are now on site somewhere in the Czech Republic (the exact location has not been reported). The best information I have found on their activity and  progress has come from some audio files posted on Soundcloud which I am attaching below:

At the moment they are still getting things set up, and the exact timing of the testing is still not clear. It has not been all smooth sailing for this point; the team has had to deal with delayed baggage and some technical hitches. I am sure they will update us as things progress, and I think it is time for a new thread which can be updated as events unfold.

Here’s a new video of Ryan and Bob working on the calibration of the temperature measurement system:

  • Ged

    Mmm, fresh thread smell. So glad everyone and everything got there safe and sound! It’s amazing MFMP and me356 have come to this point where they can all gather together for a test. That is the roaring spirit of science.

    Good luck guys! I hope the technical issues are sorted fast and easy, and there are a number of wonderful experts around here whom can help toss around ideas, as we have seen.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks Ged.

  • Ged

    Mmm, fresh thread smell. So glad everyone and everything got there safe and sound! It’s amazing MFMP and me356 have come to this point where they can all gather together for a test. That is the roaring spirit of science.

    Good luck guys! I hope the technical issues are sorted fast and easy, and there are a number of wonderful experts around here whom can help toss around ideas, as we have seen.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks Ged.

  • Rene

    Do remember, a temporary solution to fix the internet problem is to go to their equivalent of Home Depot and buy a spool of cat5/e cable. Roll it across the lawn, crimp connectors, done! 100m

    • Mats002

      To my understanding from what they said, they will conduct the test at Me356 place not far away from where they live now. Hope internet is not cut off there too.

      • Bob Greenyer

        me356 has confirmed he has wired internet. We will prioritise data, maybe we will do data over our connection and video stream over his. I am currently in Brno getting the broadcast computer, printer, tables and non resistive loads.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      Well they often have pre-built ones. And who carries a crimping tool with them?

      And, if you going to crimp, you do need a wiring diagram unless you done this over and over and “remember” which pairs to crimp together.

      That “pair” crimping is essential for the cable to work.

      The reason of course is that you want the +/- connections based on twisted pairs. This connecting via twisted pairs means interference in the cable CANCELS out noise (by induction). If you don’t crimp the connection in “twisted pairs”, then anything longer than a few inches will not work.

      The cable becomes a REALLY great radio antenna and it induces huge amounts of noise – to the point that anything longer than a few inches will not work.

      So if you crimp each end without regards for twisted pairs? Then the electrical connection at each end is 1 to 1, is sound, and should work. However you find the cable does not.

      So 1&2 and 3&6 must be paired when you crimp. Obviously 1&2 works and you don’t have to do anything. However 3&6 don’t naturally crimp (3&4 do).

      I never really did much cabling, but I did have a crimping tool and learned the hard as to why my cables would not work when clearly a electric tester shows the crimp was solid, good and the cable was electrically working and connecting the ends – but as noted failure to crimp in twisted pairs results in a cable that simply does not work.

      So 1 and 2 will naturally tie if you crimp. However you need 3 and 6 – and they will NOT naturally crimp on the same twisted pair. You would get 1&2, 3&4, 5&6, 7&8

      So connections 1&2 and 3&6 need to be on twisted pairs. Out of 8 connections there are only the two actual connections used.

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • US_Citizen71

        As someone who makes cables fairly often I don’t have the color code memorized either. But lucky for me and others both most widely used patterns are almost always on the connector packaging. The real fun happens when you do the color code correct but reverse it on one end or the other making a server cable.

        • Stephen

          Great! I like these small engineering trick posts… they are little things but when they come up I learn something new and interesting like this one.

          Its also clear we have real engineers here in this forum that’s going to be great going forward.

      • Rene

        I see this is clearly out of your scope. A cat5 (rj45-8p) crimping tool is standard fare at just about any place that sells cat5/e rated cable. Wiring diagrams are known art, So, making the cable is easy. You can even buy premade cable lengths. So, no worries, it’s both known art and commercially available tech.

        https://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-RJ-45-RJ-12-RJ-11-TC-CT68/dp/B0000AZK4G/ref=sr_1_1

        • Albert D. Kallal

          You missed 100% of my point!

          The diagrams are wide known, but WHY they are that way is not and I explained why this is so!

          It is the difference between those who approach life in an intellectual fashion and those who simply go through life following instructions without ever asking the why and how of such instructions.

          And those crimp tools are about $80 at stores – you only find those low cost items “on-line”.

          You have to put this thread in context here!

          As if someone traveling in the Czech Republic is going to run out and purchase a crimp tool and a cable? And even WORSE if such a person has a crimp tool on hand then its MORE silly to suggest to such a person that they are so stupid as to not realize to use their own crimp tool in their own toolbox! (In other words we here have to assume everyone else is beyond stupid – and I willing to give people FAR more credit than that!).

          However at the end of the day, if you read my point, it not really about a crimp tool, but the fact that FEW people know and realize the WHY of the widespread instructions are that way.

          My point and lesson here is not that you crimp a particular way as per instructions, but “why” you need to crimp that way.

          And these instructions are in the face of glaring evidence that a straight though crimp cable should work fine. Only those who ask questions would be MOST surprised and wonder why the instructions are as such? So a pet dog or hamster can be trained to follow instructions! – But WHY the instructions are that way is a larger point, is it not?

          (Unless you think the REAL point here is actual advice to someone travelling in the Czech Republic – let’s not go down that path of reason (or shall I call it reasoning of insanity).

          Keep in mind that a straight 1 to 8 and 1 to 8 wire connections DOES create the CORRECT electrical connection. In other words the electricity does not care! If you crimp all 8 to 8 wires then the electrons don’t care if they are part of a twisted pair or not!

          So the connection fails due to interference but NOT due to some invalid electrical connection – since as pointed out the electoral connections can and will be 100% sound but the cable still does not work!

          I am beginning to think you missed this spectacular point! So while you pointed out your skill at blindly following those wide known instructions without thought or reason, I hold out hope you grasp my VERY
          different point in regards to the how and why such cables work.

          Regards,
          Albert D. Kallal
          Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • US_Citizen71

            Other fun facts, the wire pairs are of different lengths due to different amounts of twist per foot for each pair. The different twists combat the interference from one pair to another. If they were the same they would transmit from one to another.

          • Rene

            Yes, it’s decoupling skew. Rather clever.

          • Rene

            I have to wonder why you are in a ranting mood, perhaps you can look inward and tells us later why you are so deeply triggered.

            But specifics:
            1. crimping tool $19, Home depot, available for pickup
            http://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-Ratchet-Modular-Plug-Crimper-CE70806/202039352
            2. The Czech republic is a modern country. It has stores that sell them. I found several.
            3. All those details about pairing, creating low loss transmission lines, yep, known art, good RF engineering, but that is what the wiring diagrams are about, so that most people can make it work. They are clear on lead lengths, etc.
            4. I am an engineer who works in RF, networking and computer software, no need to lecture me on that.
            5. Unlike you (according to your own comments), I make up cables somewhat regularly and they test at very close to max speeds.
            5. Your comments are over the top on requirements of what is otherwise standard tech. Knowing theory is good, codifying knowledge for maximal use is good too.
            6. As for berating me (incorrectly) on my so-called blind ineptness (a summarization of your wall of words), feel free to look me up in a U.S. or European patent search (hint Microsoft).
            7. Finally, I am fairly certain some of the MFMP folks are good at networking. My brief comments directed to them probably made sense to them.

          • Rene

            Oh dear, Albert, your knowledge is out of date. Though it is true that only 4 of 8 wires are used in differential mode for 10baseT (802.3i) and 100baseT (802.3y), gigabit Ethernet (802.3ab) uses all the pairs in 4D-PAM5 mode.

        • Bob Greenyer

          We already have a very long Cat5 lead. we may try the neighbours tomorrow as it is getting silly.

          I used to make all my own Cat5 leads. I have my own tool.

  • Rene

    Do remember, a temporary solution to fix the internet problem is to go to their equivalent of Home Depot and buy a spool of cat5/e cable. Roll it across the lawn, crimp connectors, done! 100m

    • Mats002

      To my understanding from what they said, they will conduct the test at Me356 place not far away from where they live now. Hope internet is not cut off there too.

      • Bob Greenyer

        me356 has confirmed he has wired internet. We will prioritise data, maybe we will do data over our connection and video stream over his. I am currently in Brno getting the broadcast computer, printer, tables and non resistive loads.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      Well they often have pre-built ones. And who carries a crimping tool with them?

      And, if you going to crimp, you do need a wiring diagram unless you done this over and over and “remember” which pairs to crimp together.

      That “pair” crimping is essential for the cable to work.

      The reason of course is that you want the +/- connections based on twisted pairs. This connecting via twisted pairs means interference in the cable CANCELS out noise (by induction). If you don’t crimp the connection in “twisted pairs”, then anything longer than a few inches will not work.

      The cable becomes a REALLY great radio antenna and it induces huge amounts of noise – to the point that anything longer than a few inches will not work.

      So if you crimp each end without regards for twisted pairs? Then the electrical connection at each end is 1 to 1, is sound, and should work. However you find the cable does not.

      So 1&2 and 3&6 must be paired when you crimp. Obviously 1&2 works and you don’t have to do anything. However 3&6 don’t naturally crimp (3&4 do).

      I never really did much cabling, but I did have a crimping tool and learned the hard as to why my cables would not work when clearly a electric tester shows the crimp was solid, good and the cable was electrically working and connecting the ends – but as noted failure to crimp in twisted pairs results in a cable that simply does not work.

      So 1 and 2 will naturally tie if you crimp. However you need 3 and 6 – and they will NOT naturally crimp on the same twisted pair. You would get 1&2, 3&4, 5&6, 7&8

      So connections 1&2 and 3&6 need to be on twisted pairs. Out of 8 wires (4) connections there are only the two actual connections and 4 wires used (cat4 cable).

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • US_Citizen71

        As someone who makes cables fairly often I don’t have the color code memorized either. But lucky for me and others both most widely used patterns are almost always on the connector packaging. The real fun happens when you do the color code correct but reverse it on one end or the other making a server cable.

        • Stephen

          Great! I like these small engineering trick posts… they are little things but when they come up I learn something new and interesting like this one.

          Its also clear we have real engineers here in this forum that’s going to be great going forward.

      • Rene

        I see this is clearly out of your scope. A cat5 (rj45-8p) crimping tool is standard fare at just about any place that sells cat5/e rated cable. Wiring diagrams are known art, So, making the cable is easy. You can even buy premade cable lengths. So, no worries, it’s both known art and commercially available tech.

        https://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-RJ-45-RJ-12-RJ-11-TC-CT68/dp/B0000AZK4G/ref=sr_1_1

        • Albert D. Kallal

          You missed 100% of my point!

          The diagrams are wide known, but WHY they are that way is not and I explained why this is so!

          It is the difference between those who approach life in an intellectual fashion and those who simply go through life following instructions without ever asking the why and how of such instructions.

          My point and lesson here is not that you crimp a particular way as per instructions, but “why” you need to crimp that way.

          And these instructions are in the face of glaring evidence that a straight though crimp cable should work fine.

          Keep in mind that a straight 1 to 8 and 1 to 8 wire connections DOES create the CORRECT electrical connection. In other words the electricity does not care! If you crimp all 8 to 8 wires then the electrons don’t care if they are part of a twisted pair or not!

          So the connection fails due to interference but NOT due to some invalid electrical connection – since as pointed out the electoral connections can and will be 100% sound but the cable still does not work!

          Regards,
          Albert D. Kallal
          Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • US_Citizen71

            Other fun facts, the wire pairs are of different lengths due to different amounts of twist per foot for each pair. The different twists combat the interference from one pair to another. If they were the same they would transmit from one to another.

          • LesioQ

            Oh yes, that’s called cable skew. I leart this the hard way, doing HDMI via Cat.7

          • Rene

            Yes, it’s decoupling skew. Rather clever.

          • Rene

            [leaving a stub here]

          • Albert D. Kallal

            Me triggered? How funny!
            #1: > I see this is clearly out of your scope

            > Oh dear, Albert, your knowledge is out of date.

            >no need to lecture me on that.

          • Rene

            Wow, quite the intense wall of words. I recommend you delete that post soonest.

            This is what your wrote that is out of date. It only applies to 10baseT, 100baseT and not 1000baseT. Look it up, easy to find the ref.

            “So connections 1&2 and 3&6 need to be on twisted pairs. Out of 8 wires (4) connections there are only the two actual connections and 4 wires used.
            Regards,
            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada”

          • Albert D. Kallal

            No that does not make what I said out of date unless the vast majority of office networks had all been upgraded to 1000baseT.

            If we talking about cars and I talk about steam boiler powered cars, then such advice is out of date in regards to gas powered cars vs steam engines since no one is typically driving steam powered cars on the road today.

            Given that most offices are still cabled with sub cat6, then my advice applies to the vast majority of business. You can make the claim that my advice was not complete, but out of date is grasping at straws.

            Since most cable NOT been updated, then you can’t make the claim that my advice does not apply today.

            If no one or VERY few people were using sub cat6 cable, then my advice would be considered out of date. And if I was recommending sub-cat6 cable for new office and networks, then again such advice would be out of date.

            The advice I gave applies to the vast majority of systems in place right now. For any new cabling I 100% accept the higher standards should be adopted. And for the last what 9+ years that’s been the case? Of course I was not giving advice on what makes sense for a new office or new cables again (so more of a straw man’s position on your part).

            And I never limited or suggested to wire new cables in this manor anyway! I was commenting on that standard – not suggesting what standard X is today. So I was not given ANY advice on what kind of cable should be used. I fact if I am talking about a cable that only uses those connections then if you HAVE knowledge as such, then you know I not talking about a cat6 cable, am I? So talking about a particular cable does not suggest in ANY way that this is advice or is out of date in this context.

            And in fact as I noted, the advice was more the asking of “why” then then the actual valid information I provided.

            I accept the claim of incomplete advice – but not that the advice is out of date since it applies to the vast majority of cabling that is in place now and was in a given limited context.

            Your choice of words is not intellect but your need to feed your self-esteem based on what others say – not what you think internal. You should not need me to feed your ego, or have one bit of worry if my actions threaten your ego.

            However the truth matters to me and it worth fighting for.

            > recommend you delete that post

            Sure, I will gladly delete my above post since it detracts from the spirt of good discussion I come to admire on ECW.

            And I made my point – if you toss rocks at people, some are most happy to toss some back at you.

            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • Rene

            Oh Albert, what you suggested is out of date. Trying to twist that is just silly. Your recommendation would result in subpar physical networking. It’s time to gather your courage and apologize. Otherwise we’re done communicating.

          • Albert D. Kallal

            But I was not given a recommendation for a cat 6 cable. So I don’t see things this way at all. I was clearly talking about a sub cat 6 cable (and I assume you know the difference).

            So how could I be giving advice on cat6 when clearly I was not talking about a cat 6 cable? You are the one attempting to limit this context to cat 6 – and I never did that, nor agreed to do so. Why something out of the blue and from left field here?

            Never claimed was talking about a cat6 cable.

            And given that most cables are not yet cat6, then I fail to see the issue here?

            As I stated if the vast majority of cabling today was cat6 and little and no sub cat6 cabling existed, then your point would be valid.

            How is advice that applies to the vast majority of cable in existence today out of date? Explain this logic to people here?

            Until such time you provide such evidence you not shown my advice does not apply more often than not based on what exists in the industry now.
            If you have such evidence that shows otherwise, then I gladly concede this point

            Regards,

            Albert D. Kallal

            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • Rene

            Oh dear, Albert, your knowledge is out of date. Though it is true that only 4 of 8 wires are used in differential mode for 10baseT (802.3i) and 100baseT (802.3y), gigabit Ethernet (802.3ab) uses all the pairs in 4D-PAM5 mode.

          • Charlietapp

            You actually don’t need a crimp toolif you think outside of the box

        • Bob Greenyer

          We already have a very long Cat5 lead. we may try the neighbours tomorrow as it is getting silly.

          I used to make all my own Cat5 leads. I have my own tool.

        • Charlie tapp

          Not always a lot of different companies that use the same cable and connectors often put the wires in a different order than stock common knowledge. I have seen it backwards twice with audio equipment. I needed a longer cable than the stock one and it would work with stock cable but not a new one upon examination found it was the manufacture just wanting his cable to be the one bought. When I noticed just cut and crimped the same way and good to go

          • Rene

            I use rated cat5e or cat6. Such certified cable will always have the proper order, and certified twist ratios.

  • LilyLover

    May the Me make me merry this May!! Or, June.
    May the MFMP make me merry this May!!

  • LilyLover

    May the Me make me merry this May!! Or, June.
    May the MFMP make me merry this May!!

  • Luca Meli

    Jet-lag face

  • Barbierir

    Amazing! I hope this will be a game changer. Until now I have mostly ignored the me356 stuff because of the complete lack of any independent validation. This time it’s another story.

    • Rene

      That was the case for me too. I am happy to read me356 is willing to let them do a calorimetry run, though I hope it runs long enough to solidly set to rest any claims of pre-stored energy. Because it is a black box experiment, the MFMP team cannot inspect the reactor for such sources, so a long enough run is required. I hold Rossi to the same standard. He too needs to provide a unit to independent measurement/verification team.
      Meanwhile, I am look forward to observing the setup and tests in an open environment.

      • Mats002

        They will weigh the box before and after the run. Any loss of weight above a few grams would be suspicous.

        • US_Citizen71

          I would say any loss greater than the accuracy rating of the scale should be suspect. If the energy is nuclear in origin the mass loss should be below the accuracy of most scales.

          • Bob Greenyer

            the scale is accurate to 0.5g in its 44kg range.

            We will be looking for loss of WEIGHT during the test also.

          • US_Citizen71

            I use digital scales quite often, please make sure that you have enough weight on the scale to reach its accuracy zone. Many scales do not reach maximum accuracy until a given weight is on the scale. So the easy method is to add a board or a metal plate that is very close to the accuracy minimum and then zero the scale before taking measurements. I’m sure you already have it covered but it never hurts to double check.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Perhaps you missed this video

            https://youtu.be/IXWMYbKG8Ak?t=3m52s

          • US_Citizen71

            I did. 🙂

          • Bob Greenyer

            a dime is 2.268 g

          • georgehants

            Morning Bob, have Me356 been able to use any of the Research information from your Indian friend?

          • Bob Greenyer

            I think me356 has a very different reactor structure and has enough on his plate without attempting to replicate other claimants work

          • georgehants

            Bob, sorry I did not mean “replicate” only if it helped to answer any outstanding questions etc.

  • Barbierir

    Amazing! I hope this will be a game changer. Until now I have mostly ignored the me356 stuff because of the complete lack of any independent validation. This time it’s another story.

    • Rene

      That was the case for me too. I am happy to read me356 is willing to let them do a calorimetry run, though I hope it runs long enough to solidly set to rest any claims of pre-stored energy. Because it is a black box experiment, the MFMP team cannot inspect the reactor for such sources, so a long enough run is required. I hold Rossi to the same standard. He too needs to provide a unit to independent measurement/verification team.
      Meanwhile, I am look forward to observing the setup and tests in an open environment.

      • Mats002

        They will weigh the box before and after the run. Any loss of weight above a few grams would be suspicous.

        • US_Citizen71

          I would say any loss greater than the accuracy rating of the scale should be suspect. If the energy is nuclear in origin the mass loss should be below the accuracy of most scales.

          • Bob Greenyer

            the scale is accurate to 0.5g in its 44kg range.

            We will be looking for loss of WEIGHT during the test also.

          • US_Citizen71

            I use digital scales quite often, please make sure that you have enough weight on the scale to reach its accuracy zone. Many scales do not reach maximum accuracy until a given weight is on the scale. So the easy method is to add a board or a metal plate that is very close to the accuracy minimum and then zero the scale before taking measurements. I’m sure you already have it covered but it never hurts to double check.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Perhaps you missed this video

            https://youtu.be/IXWMYbKG8Ak?t=3m52s

          • US_Citizen71

            I did. 🙂

          • Bob Greenyer

            a dime is 2.268 g

  • Gerard McEk

    I hope everything will go smooth MFMP!
    Please prove that LENR exists. Now your destiny has finally come to a point where you have been erected for. Leave no doubt, be honest and clear. Good luck!
    ME356: I hope MFMP proves that your process works indeed, that all your work pays out. This test will also prove that LENR exists. If the test is positive, please tell the world how it works and share mankind your secrets. I hope you will benefit of it.

  • Gerard McEk

    I hope everything will go smooth MFMP!
    Please prove that LENR exists. Now your destiny has finally come to a point where you have been erected for. Leave no doubt, be honest and clear. Good luck!
    ME356: I hope MFMP proves that your process works indeed, that all your work pays out. This test will also prove that LENR exists. If the test is positive, please tell the world how it works and share mankind your secrets. I hope you will benefit of it.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Pre-diner update on the evening of the 23rd May 2017

    https://soundcloud.com/user-554048314/aura-update-23rd

    There is a later Facebook live update from Ryan and Brian

  • Bob Greenyer

    Pre-dinner update on the evening of the 23rd May 2017

    https://soundcloud.com/user-554048314/aura-update-23rd

    There is a later Facebook live update from Ryan and Brian

  • Rene

    Bob, is there a controlled steam test in your calibration protocols? Generate low pressure wet steam with an electric heater then sparge it to see what the heat exchanger captures.

    • Bob Greenyer

      We would like steam test in calibration, but not possible today – we plan to do hot water into the heat exchanger primary today

  • Rene

    Bob, is there a controlled steam test in your calibration protocols? Generate low pressure wet steam with an electric heater then sparge it to see what the heat exchanger captures.

    • Bob Greenyer

      We would like steam test in calibration, but not possible today – we plan to do hot water into the heat exchanger primary today

  • Dr. Mike

    Bob,
    What temperature differential do you expect for output minus input temperature of the water? Will you be running a water flow rate that keeps the water well below its boiling point so that you don’t have to worry about a phase change in the water? Good luck on running your experiments- can’t wait to see the results!

    • Bob Greenyer

      Yes, however we will be limited to line pressure/flow rate through cooling jacket.

      The heat exchanger can take 208ºC steam at many atmospheres.

      • Gerard McEk

        Bob, do I understand this right:
        ME356 deliveres steam to your heat exchanger that is cooled with cooling water at a certain flow. You will be measuring the the increase of the water temperature and the flow of this secondary system.
        Condensed water will flow back to the ME356 reactor.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Condensed water will likely not flow back to me356 reactor, otherwise correct.

          • Gerard McEk

            Thanks Bob. How do you avoid heat loss from the primary circuit if that water/ maybe part vapor does not return to that circuit or do you also measure in that circuit?

          • Bob Greenyer

            The flow calorimetry will likely under-estimate

  • Dr. Mike

    Bob,
    What temperature differential do you expect for output minus input temperature of the water? Will you be running a water flow rate that keeps the water well below its boiling point so that you don’t have to worry about a phase change in the water? Good luck on running your experiments- can’t wait to see the results!

    • Bob Greenyer

      Yes, however we will be limited to line pressure/flow rate through cooling jacket.

      The heat exchanger can take 208ºC steam at many atmospheres.

      • Gerard McEk

        Bob, do I understand this right:
        ME356 deliveres steam to your heat exchanger that is cooled with cooling water at a certain flow. You will be measuring the the increase of the water temperature and the flow of this secondary system.
        Condensed water will flow back to the ME356 reactor.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Condensed water will likely not flow back to me356 reactor, otherwise correct.

          • Gerard McEk

            Thanks Bob. How do you avoid heat loss from the primary circuit if that water/ maybe part vapor does not return to that circuit or do you also measure in that circuit?

          • Bob Greenyer

            The flow calorimetry will likely under-estimate

  • georgehants

    Morning Bob, have Me356 been able to use any of the Research information from your Indian friend?

    • Bob Greenyer

      I think me356 has a very different reactor structure and has enough on his plate without attempting to replicate other claimants work

      • georgehants

        Bob, sorry I did not mean “replicate” only if it helped to answer any outstanding questions etc. Open science.

  • est

    这事儿要是能成就是个大新闻啊。

    • Mats002

      I tried to translate this but failed…

      • Mats002

        Think I got it: “If this thing can be a big news ah”

        @est: We’ll see – if it works it is big news for me and many others who have been part in seeking the truth about LENR/Cold Fusion. Seeing is believing.

  • Mike Henderson

    Wear a scientist’s skeptical face, not the wide-eyed wonderment of a child at a magician’s show. If you go into this expecting to be amazed, it will cast doubt on your work. Assign someone to be the skeptic, the devil’s advocate. Actively seek out the magician’s mirrors, trap doors, and hidden assistant. When they aren’t there, your credibility will gain.

    • Ged

      It is the scientific method’s philosophy that experiments are designed to disprove the hypothesis, after all.

  • Mike Henderson

    Wear a scientist’s skeptical face, not the wide-eyed wonderment of a child at a magician’s show. If you go into this expecting to be amazed, it will cast doubt on your work. Assign someone to be the skeptic, the devil’s advocate. Actively seek out the magician’s mirrors, trap doors, and hidden assistant. When they aren’t there, your credibility will gain.

    • Ged

      It is the scientific method’s philosophy that experiments are designed to disprove the hypothesis, after all.

  • Mats002

    I tried to translate this but failed…

    • Mats002

      Think I got it: “If this thing can be a big news ah”

      @est: We’ll see – if it works it is big news for me and many others who have been part in seeking the truth about LENR/Cold Fusion. Seeing is believing.

  • Dr. Mike

    Bob,
    What is the expected output power of the Me356 reactor?

    • Bob Greenyer

      That we do not know for certain

      I think the COP is the most important thing.

      • Ged

        We will empirically find out, that’s for sure.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        If the output power is too high, the heat exchanger might not be able to condense all the steam. Obviously, this would lead to an underestimation of the COP. Do you have an idea how much steam per time unit the heat exchanger could process?

    • Mats002

      Me356 claims a COP about 10 possible a little less. He also claim to have run it up to 40 but at that performance he is unsure of stability/endurence.

      See Q&A here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qbG-p8qKbuFnPOdkm0XgwJpUvzHSvWM84-geOCF38pw/mobilebasic

      Max input to the reactor is 2kW.

      From discussions here at ECW a COP 6 is enough to generate electricity with ‘over-unity’.

      • Dr. Mike

        If the nominal output power is about 20KW, this unit should be fairly close to the size of each of Rossi’s 16 units that made up a “Big Frankie” 250KW device. A water flow of about 5 l/min would keep the temperature rise of the water below 60C so there would not be a concern of how much of the water was converted to steam.

  • Dr. Mike

    Bob,
    What is the expected output power of the Me356 reactor?

    • Cupid

      Up to 12kW.

    • Bob Greenyer

      That we do not know for certain

      I think the COP is the most important thing.

      • Ged

        We will empirically find out, that’s for sure.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        If the output power is too high, the heat exchanger might not be able to condense all the steam. Obviously, this would lead to an underestimation of the COP. Do you have an idea how much steam per time unit the heat exchanger could process?

    • Mats002

      Me356 claims a COP about 10 possible a little less. He also claim to have run it up to 40 but at that performance he is unsure of stability/endurence.

      See Q&A here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qbG-p8qKbuFnPOdkm0XgwJpUvzHSvWM84-geOCF38pw/mobilebasic

      Max input to the reactor is 2kW.

      From discussions here at ECW a COP 6 is enough to generate electricity with ‘over-unity’.

      • Dr. Mike

        If the nominal output power is about 20KW, this unit should be fairly close to the size of each of Rossi’s 16 units that made up a “Big Frankie” 250KW device. A water flow of about 5 l/min would keep the temperature rise of the water below 60C so there would not be a concern of how much of the water was converted to steam.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Comparing flow rate to water mass over time – Test 2B : 2.5

    https://youtu.be/J37HSpJfXtI

    • Ged

      Hey Bob, is there a comprehensive list of links for data repositories and data live streams and the like? I see the log doc linked at the top of the article mentions freeboard.io, but I am not sure of the link for the MFMP data on it or other data repositories I must have missed.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Will sort tomorrow.

    • Mats002

      Bob says in this video that “Me356 is preparing the fuel today” and “hopefully we are prepared tomorrow”.

      Whoa!

    • Matt Werner

      Bob, Early in the bucket fill, the water impinging on the bottom of the bucket will add a small increase in weight that will throw off the numbers. Towards the end its lost in the turbulence and mixing in the bucket. Directing the flow down the inner wall of the bucket will help.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thanks for your scrutiny,

        We will incorporate your suggestion.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Comparing flow rate to water mass over time – Test 2B : 2.5

    https://youtu.be/J37HSpJfXtI

    • Ged

      Hey Bob, is there a comprehensive list of links for data repositories and data live streams and the like? I see the log doc linked at the top of the article mentions freeboard.io, but I am not sure of the link for the MFMP data on it or other data repositories I must have missed.

      Edit: Thank you for the video links, by the way!

      • Bob Greenyer

        Will sort tomorrow.

    • Mats002

      Bob says in this video that “Me356 is preparing the fuel today” and “hopefully we are prepared tomorrow”.

      Whoa!

    • Rip Kirbyian

      Bob, can you ask Me356 to bring “two” of every critical component if something should fail? Since he seem to be in pre-production mode this should not be hard to arrange?

      • Bob Greenyer

        we are bringing all the test equipment and we have backups or more of all main aspects.

        • Rip Kirbyian

          Nice to hear that Bob! Then perhaps you can make sure he has two units ready to be tested, if one of them should fail? Then we will hopefully not experiencing another “Rossiesque test” where unit breaks…

          • Bob Greenyer

            He will run the reactor conservatively – for safety as well as to reduce chances of early failure.

          • Rip Kirbyian

            Hate to tell you but….

    • Matt Werner

      Bob, Early in the bucket fill, the water impinging on the bottom of the bucket will add a small increase in weight that will throw off the numbers. Towards the end its lost in the turbulence and mixing in the bucket. Directing the flow down the inner wall of the bucket will help.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thanks for your scrutiny,

        We will incorporate your suggestion.

  • Teemu Soilamo

    I expect no excess heat, but cheers for your hard work, anyway!

  • Bob Greenyer

    AURA: Night before onsite

    The AURA test team discuss their last full day before they pack up and move on-site to set up for the official testing.

    https://soundcloud.com/user-554048314/aura-night-before-onsite

    • Dods

      Good luck for the test tomorrow. That luck is for no equipment failure. The results will be what they will be. But I will be watching.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thanks Dods

    • Rene

      This testing setup looks excellent with several plan B scenarios preplanned. I do look forward to however it goes, perhaps the first independent and open test and analysis of a LENR reactor. May it go from ‘claimed’ to ‘actual’.
      Rest well!

  • Bob Greenyer

    AURA: Night before onsite

    The AURA test team discuss their last full day before they pack up and move on-site to set up for the official testing.

    https://soundcloud.com/user-554048314/aura-night-before-onsite

    • Dods

      Good luck for the test tomorrow. That luck is for no equipment failure. The results will be what they will be. But I will be watching.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thanks Dods

    • Rene

      This testing setup looks excellent with several plan B scenarios preplanned. I do look forward to however it goes, perhaps the first independent and open test and analysis of a LENR reactor. May it go from ‘claimed’ to ‘actual’.
      Rest well!

  • Mike Henderson

    Has me356 indicated if / when he will take off his superhero mask and reveal his true identity?
    Will you be streaming through Tor or some other means (mobile data) of making the IP address of me356’s location untraceable?

    • Bob Greenyer

      no
      yes

      • Mats002

        You forgot to end the answer with ‘Warm regards’ 🙂

  • Mike Henderson

    Has me356 indicated if / when he will take off his superhero mask and reveal his true identity?
    Will you be streaming through Tor or some other means (mobile data) of making the IP address of me356’s location untraceable?

    • Bob Greenyer

      no
      yes

      • Mats002

        You forgot to end the answer with ‘Warm regards’ 🙂

      • ipman

        Have you considered you also may need to extend some precautions to cover your mobile devices?
        Also, as a number of your suitcases went missing at the same time, it may be worthwhile running a Gauss meter over them.

  • Bob Greenyer

    we are bringing all the test equipment and we have backups or more of all main aspects.

  • For those enthusiasts who can’t get enough lenr here is a little clip from the LookingForHeat team while we are awaiting the MFMP livestream. All the best to the MFMP team, good luck with your tests!

    Love / Db

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jSa9y5wUY8

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks DB

      • As I see things there are three possible outcomes from today’s tests.

        1. It works meaning Me356 stole the technology from me and consequently I deserve all credit for it.

        2. It doesn’t work and we hire Uzi Sha to contact everyone involved.

        3. The data is incomplete and I’ll start taking Diazepam.

  • R101

    Excellent!

  • R101

    Excellent!

  • Rene

    Wow, quite the intense wall of words. I recommend you delete that post soonest.

    This is what your wrote that is out of date. It only applies to 10baseT, 100baseT and not 1000baseT. Look it up, easy to find the ref.

    “So connections 1&2 and 3&6 need to be on twisted pairs. Out of 8 wires (4) connections there are only the two actual connections and 4 wires used.
    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada”

    • Albert D. Kallal

      No that does not make what I said out of date unless the vast majority of office networks had all been upgraded to 1000baseT.

      If we talking about cars and I talk about steam boiler powered cars, then such advice is out of date in regards to gas powered cars vs steam engines since no one is typically driving steam powered cars on the road today.

      Given that most offices are still cabled with sub cat6, then my advice applies to the vast majority of business. You can make the claim that my advice was not complete, but out of date is grasping at straws.

      Since most cable NOT been updated, then you can’t make the claim that my advice does not apply today.

      If no one or VERY few people were using sub cat6 cable, then my advice would be considered out of date. And if I was recommending sub-cat6 cable for new office and networks, then again such advice would be out of date.

      The advice I gave applies to the vast majority of systems in place right now. For any new cabling I 100% accept the higher standards should be adopted. And for the last what 9+ years that’s been the case? Of course I was not giving advice on what makes sense for a new office or new cables again (so more of a straw man’s position on your part).

      And I never limited or suggested to wire new cables in this manor anyway! I was commenting on that standard – not suggesting what standard X is today. So I was not given ANY advice on what kind of cable should be used. I fact if I am talking about a cable that only uses those connections then if you HAVE knowledge as such, then you know I not talking about a cat6 cable, am I? So talking about a particular cable does not suggest in ANY way that this is advice or is out of date in this context.

      And in fact as I noted, the advice was more the asking of “why” then then the actual valid information I provided.

      I accept the claim of incomplete advice – but not that the advice is out of date since it applies to the vast majority of cabling that is in place now and was in a given limited context.

      Your choice of words is not intellect but your need to feed your self-esteem based on what others say – not what you think internal. You should not need me to feed your ego, or have one bit of worry if my actions threaten your ego.

      However the truth matters to me and it worth fighting for.

      > recommend you delete that post

      Sure, I will gladly delete my above post since it detracts from the spirt of good discussion I come to admire on ECW.

      And I made my point – if you toss rocks at people, some are most happy to toss some back at you.

      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • Rene

        Oh Albert, what you suggested is out of date. Trying to twist that is just silly. Your recommendation would result in subpar physical networking. It’s time to gather your courage and apologize. Otherwise we’re done communicating.

        • Albert D. Kallal

          But I was not given a recommendation for a cat 6 cable. So I don’t see things this way at all. I was clearly talking about a sub cat 6 cable (and I assume you know the difference).

          So how could I be giving advice on cat6 when clearly I was not talking about a cat 6 cable? You are the one attempting to limit this context to cat 6 – and I never did that, nor agreed to do so. Why something out of the blue and from left field here?

          Never claimed was talking about a cat6 cable.

          And given that most cables are not yet cat6, then I fail to see the issue here?

          As I stated if the vast majority of cabling today was cat6 and little and no sub cat6 cabling existed, then your point would be valid.

          How is advice that applies to the vast majority of cable in existence today out of date? Explain this logic to people here?

          Until such time you provide such evidence you not shown my advice does not apply more often than not based on what exists in the industry now.
          If you have such evidence that shows otherwise, then I gladly concede this point

          Regards,

          Albert D. Kallal

          Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • SG

    On the eve of the Me356 verification test, just wanted to wish the LENR community and world the best outcome possible, that of clear validation of a high COP LENR system.

    And if it is not to be, at least we can be proud of ourselves for banding together, raising the necessary resources among our small tight-knit group, sending some of our best and brightest experimental citizen scientists, and giving it a go.

    Regardless of the result, I’m extremely thankful for the efforts and dediction of many among us, and for me356 having the courage to subject his apparatus to the MFMP.

    • LilyLover

      Guessing game:
      I say CoP 7 for Me356!!
      You say what?

      SG, I’ll be the first fool to read too much into human actions.
      People, go ahead make your guess!!

      • SG

        I’ll guess at COP 5. And if not 5, enough to make it hard to refute. But even if it looks to be 1, I’ll be proud of this community for trying, and especially of Bob, Brian, Ryan, and Alan for going and doing.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Thanks SG – there have been a good number of times team members have thought is all this time away from our families and months off work or turning down paid contracts would be worth it – but we agree, whatever the outcome, it is better to know.

          • SG

            When LENR finally breaks through, the world will owe a debt to your wives and loved ones for your time away.

          • pelgrim108
          • Gerard McEk

            I am sure you will have our full attention, guys. Prove the New Fire, good luck!

          • artefact

            MFMP Test t-shirts 🙂

          • nietsnie

            Actually, as hokey as that is – I’d definitely buy one.

          • Leo Kaas

            Good Luck MFMP!

          • Rene

            Great MFMP shirt. When will it be in the swag store? Video was mirror reversed. Easy enough to fix.

          • Bob Greenyer

            They are our rocks.

      • Rene

        Channeling Spinal Tap: COP11

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgx4k83zzc

        • nietsnie

          My favorite scene from that movie. Few know the origin of that scene though. Hendrix kept asking his amp manufacturer, Sun, for heads that got louder. Ultimately they sent him one with a faceplate, on the same model amp that he was already using, upon which the volume scale had been extended to 11. Not amused, Hendrix responded by switching to Marshall amps. So, the reference to guitarist reasoning ability, and choice of amp manufacturer, is a little off. Had it been a bassist, of course…

      • Mats002

        COP 10 as he claims, possible a little higher. Then we (US, EU and Russia) can back off middle east and let piece florish! The space era may begin.

      • Monty

        I am bold.
        I go for 42.
        But strictly because this tech could be the answer to quite some questions 😉

    • pelgrim108

      COP 8
      Everyone who likes this comment is guessing COP 8 also. 🙂

  • SG

    On the eve of the Me356 verification test, just wanted to wish the LENR community and world the best outcome possible, that of clear validation of a high COP LENR system.

    And if it is not to be, at least we can be proud of ourselves for banding together, raising the necessary resources among our small tight-knit group, sending some of our best and brightest experimental citizen scientists, and giving it a go.

    Regardless of the result, I’m extremely thankful for the efforts and dediction of many among us, and for me356 having the courage to subject his apparatus to the MFMP.

    • LilyLover

      Guessing game:
      I say CoP 7 for Me356!!
      You say what?

      SG, I’ll be the first fool to read too much into human actions.
      People, go ahead make your guess!!

      • SG

        I’ll guess at COP 5. And if not 5, enough to make it hard to refute. But even if it looks to be 1, I’ll be proud of this community for trying, and especially of Bob, Brian, Ryan, and Alan for going and doing.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Thanks SG – there have been a good number of times team members have thought is all this time away from our families and months off work or turning down paid contracts would be worth it – but we agree, whatever the outcome, it is better to know.

          • SG

            When LENR finally breaks through, the world will owe a debt to your wives and loved ones for your time away.

          • Bob Greenyer

            They are our rocks.

      • Rene

        Channeling Spinal Tap: COP11

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgx4k83zzc

        • nietsnie

          My favorite scene from that movie. Few know the origin of that scene though. Hendrix kept asking his amp manufacturer, Sun, for heads that got louder. Ultimately they sent him one with a faceplate, on the same model amp that he was already using, upon which the volume scale had been extended to 11. Not amused, Hendrix responded by switching to Marshall amps. So, the reference to guitarist reasoning ability, and choice of amp manufacturer, is a little off. Had it been a bassist, of course…

      • Mats002

        COP 10 as he claims, possible a little higher. Then we (US, EU and Russia) can back off middle east and let piece florish! The space era may begin.

      • Monty

        I am bold.
        I go for 42.
        But strictly because this tech could be the answer to quite some questions 😉

        • Urban Fredell

          Of course it’s 42!

    • pelgrim108

      COP 8
      Everyone who likes this comment is guessing COP 8 also. 🙂

  • Bob Greenyer

    Hi All,

    Thanks for your well wishing. It is 0545 here and Ryan and I have been up the last 100 mins as we could not sleep, thinking about what we need to get this morning and procedure for the day.

    It is T-Day, thanks for playing your part in making this happen.

    Let’s hope we light the new fire together this week.

    • Adam Lepczak

      I keep thinking about the start of computer game Half Life… Good luck out there today… in the test chamber

      • Bob Greenyer

        Classic – and thanks

    • nietsnie

      Best of luck MFMP! Do good science.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thanks, keep a keen eye out for any potential errors and we will do all in our means to fix them.

    • Toussaint françois

      Wish you all the best !

      Fingers crossed !

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thanks TF!

        The data will be the data

    • Many thought this day would never come… including me, most days.

      The tenacity and bravery of both me356 and the MFMP testing team is amazing — the kind of stuff that makes you think humanity is going to win this game yet.

      Best of luck to all.

      • Bob Greenyer

        We will see what happens, but all parties, the crowd, me356 and the MFMP team has tried our best

  • Bob Greenyer

    Hi All,

    Thanks for your well wishing. It is 0545 here and Ryan and I have been up the last 100 mins as we could not sleep, thinking about what we need to get this morning and procedure for the day.

    It is T-Day, thanks for playing your part in making this happen.

    Let’s hope we light the new fire together this week.

    • Adam Lepczak

      I keep thinking about the start of computer game Half Life… Good luck out there today… in the test chamber

      • Bob Greenyer

        Classic – and thanks

    • nietsnie

      Best of luck MFMP! Do good science.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thanks, keep a keen eye out for any potential errors and we will do all in our means to fix them.

    • Toussaint françois

      Wish you all the best !

      Fingers crossed !

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thanks TF!

        The data will be the data

    • Many thought this day would never come… including me, most days.

      The tenacity and bravery of both me356 and the MFMP testing team is amazing — the kind of stuff that makes you think humanity is going to win this game yet.

      Best of luck to all.

      • Bob Greenyer

        We will see what happens, but all parties, the crowd, me356 and the MFMP team has tried our best

  • Bob Greenyer

    He will run the reactor conservatively – for safety as well as to reduce chances of early failure.

    • Rip Kirbyian

      Hate to tell you but….

  • I got my hopes up that this turns out to be a great day in the history of LENR. A sincere thank you to the MFMP crew, and their donors and Me356 for making this verification attempt possible.

  • Rene

    I use rated cat5e or cat6. Such certified cable will always have the proper order, and certified twist ratios.

  • AdrianAshfield

    Is the data being streamed? If so, where?

  • AdrianAshfield

    Is the data being streamed? If so, where?

    • Cupid

      I’m not sure how reliable the live video will be considering it is going over the Tor network, but as long as it is being recorded, it can be updated to youtube at a later date (note to MFMP; ensure you have enough HHD and SD card memory available).

      • Ged

        Tor is surprisingly fast these days. But I wouldn’t expect more than 480 quality at best even so.

  • Bob Greenyer
    • Has me356 provided space in his house for preliminary setup or is that some other house?

      • Bob Greenyer

        don’t know

        • How could you not know? You’re there. Don’t want to say I understand… but don’t know?

          • Epi

            They are not there. They are (or were 3 hours ago) in a rented place somewhere near me365´s place. When posting this video they were packing their stuff to drive (??) to me365. I think 🙂
            In a few hours we will know.

          • Ged

            Might be that he doesn’t know which location Me356 is setting up for them–house or lab shed or whatnot. They were staying at another place till Me was ready and are currently heading over now (his photo above is of them packing up to head over), so he wouldn’t necessarily know yet till they arrive shortly.

          • I was asking about the house in the picture. So if that’s not me356’s place then that’s my answer.

          • Ged

            Yes, it was just their forward operating base where they were organizing and calibrating equipment/methods before the move to Me’s place for the real fun.

          • Stephen Harrison

            I should imagine em356 will be ultra cautious about anyone discovering his whereabouts if he has what he says it wouldn’t surprise me if they weren’t blindfolded and taxied in the back of a van

          • Ged

            It would definitely add a nice thriller atmosphere to the event!

          • Bob Greenyer

            It is in the same place he has conducted all his experiments and that you have seen pictures and videos of.

    • Gerard McEk

      I can see that you work under high stress, your environment is totally distorted ;-))
      Good luck with the tests, the LENR community is fully focussed on you. May you witness the New Fire!

  • Bob Greenyer

    Magnetic and gravity vector sensing for all

    https://youtu.be/PJoW2q9p_Es

    • radvar

      Beam me up, Scotty!

      • Bob Greenyer

        NP, There is more to come!

  • Bob Greenyer

    Magnetic and gravity vector sensing for all

    https://youtu.be/PJoW2q9p_Es

  • Ged

    Tor is surprisingly fast these days. But I wouldn’t expect more than 480 quality at best even so.

  • Charlietapp

    At mfmp. I highly recommend all pics and videos are reviewed closely as to not reveal location i.e. Streets. sidewalks. outside house shots. Someone looking at a pic could close up on a inside window shot to see outside structures and areas. And anyone that notices anything should keep it to themselves and frank should block out anyone talking about were they think you guys are. Just for me356. Sake

  • Bob Greenyer

    Final testing time lapse

    https://youtu.be/bQLO1QVcM1c

    Look on your phone / tablet or google chrome on desktop / notebook.

    • Rene

      Is the crooked mirror a base observation test? 🙂

      • Bob Greenyer

        no it is the room that is crooked, very difficult to walk about in, however, the accommodation was cheap and they allowed us to run experiments.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Final testing time lapse

    https://youtu.be/bQLO1QVcM1c

    Look on your phone / tablet or google chrome on desktop / notebook.

    • Rene

      Is the crooked mirror a base observation test? 🙂

      • Bob Greenyer

        no it is the room that is crooked, very difficult to walk about in, however, the accommodation was cheap and they allowed us to run experiments.

  • Bob Greenyer

    We are here and setting up

    • o/

    • Ged

      Go go go!

    • Zeddicus23

      Fantastic! Good luck!

  • Bob Greenyer

    We are here and setting up

    • o/

    • Ged

      Go go go!

    • Zeddicus23

      Fantastic! Good luck!

  • Bob Greenyer
    • US_Citizen71

      Hopefully there are no Expressways or other high volume roads nearby to cause slow downs during high volume traffic times.

    • Ged

      Wow, very nice! This and the fixed line will make streaming a sinch.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yep – we will keep main experimental data and stream on fixed line and major video uploads on the Mobile.

  • Bob Greenyer
    • US_Citizen71

      Hopefully there are no Expressways or other high volume roads nearby to cause slow downs during high volume traffic times.

    • Ged

      Wow, very nice! This and the fixed line will make streaming a sinch.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yep – we will keep main experimental data and stream on fixed line and major video uploads on the Mobile.

  • Bob Greenyer
  • Bob Greenyer
  • Andre Blum

    best of luck, Bob, Alan, Brian, Ryan!

  • Andre Blum

    best of luck, Bob, Alan, Brian, Ryan!

  • Has anything been done (or can anything be done) to rule out a radioactive heat source within the me356 black box?

    I guess controlling it to be able to turn heat generation on and off would be a neat little trick. Screen one fuel rod from another maybe…?

    Does the MFMP have any thoughts on this?

    I assume you’re going to run long enough to exclude chemical.

    • Ged

      Yeah, they have radiation detectors, but also those RTGs aren’t that strong unless one uses plutonium, are always on and making heat, and would not need any electrical input or heating. No way to mistake it.

  • Has anything been done (or can anything be done) to rule out a radioactive heat source within the me356 black box?

    I guess controlling it to be able to turn heat generation on and off would be a neat little trick. Screen one fuel rod from another maybe…?

    Does the MFMP have any thoughts on this?

    I assume you’re going to run long enough to exclude chemical.

    • Mike Henderson

      They have Geiger counters, neutron detectors and alpha / gamma / x-ray monitors.

    • Ged

      Yeah, they have radiation detectors, but also those RTGs aren’t that strong unless one uses plutonium, are always on and making heat (cannot turn on and off, which is part of what makes RTGs dangerous), and would not need any electrical input or heating. No way to mistake it.

  • Data starting to flow at https://plot.ly/~QuantumHeat

    Just setting things up at the moment.

    • Ged

      Really starting to get exciting. Can’t believe this is actually happening, it is mind blowing this was able to all be worked out. Who knows what will come, but having front row seats to a live open test of the first third party’s claimed working reactor is beyond a treat.

    • Could anyone give me a quick sentence on what “Omega” is in the plot so that I don’t have to hunt for it?

    • nietsnie

      Inlet temp is higher than outlet temp at the moment – albeit by only a tenth of a degree. Still, that seems odd…

      • I wouldn’t try to analyze anything yet. They are clearly still calibrating, testing, troubleshooting and otherwise WTFing.

      • nietsnie

        Actually, now that I convert that to F, and check the temp in czechoslovakia today, it’s likely slightly cooler in the air than the water temp, so – result is reasonable as the device cools down faster than the water and is made to transfer heat.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Are they only setting up their equipment, or will there be a real test tonight?

  • Data starting to flow at https://plot.ly/~QuantumHeat

    Just setting things up at the moment.

    • Ged

      Really starting to get exciting. Can’t believe this is actually happening, it is mind blowing this was able to all be worked out. Who knows what will come, but having front row seats to a live open test of the first third party’s claimed working reactor is beyond a treat.

    • Could anyone give me a quick sentence on what “Omega” is in the plot so that I don’t have to hunt for it?

    • nietsnie

      Inlet temp is higher than outlet temp at the moment – albeit by only a tenth of a degree. Still, that seems odd…

      • I wouldn’t try to analyze anything yet. They are clearly still calibrating, testing, troubleshooting and otherwise WTFing.

      • nietsnie

        Actually, now that I convert that to F, and check the temp in czechoslovakia today, it’s likely slightly cooler in the air than the water temp, so – result is reasonable as the device cools down faster than the water and is made to transfer heat.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Are they only setting up their equipment, or will there be a real test tonight?

  • pelgrim108
    • Gerard McEk

      I am sure you will have our full attention, guys. Prove the New Fire, good luck!

    • artefact

      MFMP Test t-shirts 🙂

      • nietsnie

        Actually, as hokey as that is – I’d definitely buy one.

    • Leo Kaas

      Good Luck MFMP!

    • HAL9000

      Looks like a scene from Ghostbusters: “Who ya gonna call? MFMP’s LENRbusters!”

    • Rene

      Great MFMP shirt. When will it be in the swag store? Video was mirror reversed. Easy enough to fix.

  • Mike Henderson

    Recent update from the Google Doc:

    “20:15 UTC – all set up with our equipment at the test site. Me356 has shown us the reactor. It is cute – in an industrial way. It is an aluminum box, basically. Photos to come tomorrow. Tomorrow we will connect the device’s steam output to our heat exchanger. The source water for the device will come from a large 40 liter bucket we brought. We will fill it with filtered water. His metering pump will pull it from the bucket and feed his reactor. If our condensate is cool enough, we can put it back into the bucket. It has to stay under 60C, though, for his pump.

    We are finding the experiment room to be relatively high background radiation. Ryan’s Ortec gamma detector is giving us a decent background spectrum with a clearly visible 40K peak at 1.4 MeV. We are running another test with a Thoriated rod Me356 has provided. The gamma detector is going to sit directly beneath the middle of the device along with a geiger counter. We will place a neutron detector on either end.”

    • Ged

      Co60 has a gamma peak around 1.33 MeV, but then another close by at 1.17 MeV. Another source I know of for 1.4 MeV is Be14 decay alpha particles and some cosmic rays, but that should not be seen by the gamma detector. Interesting.

      • Mike Henderson

        I will venture a guess: High potassium content fertilizers have been store in the building and 40K is everywhere. Perhaps this is an agricultural area. Sugar beets, perhaps? (They rob the soil of nutrients and require heavy fertilization to restore the soil.)

        • Ged

          That is likely the case. Or someone really likes bananas.

  • Mike Henderson

    Recent update from the Google Doc:

    “20:15 UTC – all set up with our equipment at the test site. Me356 has shown us the reactor. It is cute – in an industrial way. It is an aluminum box, basically. Photos to come tomorrow. Tomorrow we will connect the device’s steam output to our heat exchanger. The source water for the device will come from a large 40 liter bucket we brought. We will fill it with filtered water. His metering pump will pull it from the bucket and feed his reactor. If our condensate is cool enough, we can put it back into the bucket. It has to stay under 60C, though, for his pump.

    We are finding the experiment room to be relatively high background radiation. Ryan’s Ortec gamma detector is giving us a decent background spectrum with a clearly visible 40K peak at 1.4 MeV. We are running another test with a Thoriated rod Me356 has provided. The gamma detector is going to sit directly beneath the middle of the device along with a geiger counter. We will place a neutron detector on either end.”

    • Ged

      Co60 has a gamma peak around 1.33 MeV, but then another close by at 1.17 MeV. Another source I know of for 1.4 MeV is Be14 decay alpha particles and some cosmic rays, but that should not be seen by the gamma detector. Interesting.

      • Mike Henderson

        I will venture a guess: High potassium content fertilizers have been store in the building and 40K is everywhere. Perhaps this is an agricultural area. Sugar beets, perhaps? (They rob the soil of nutrients and require heavy fertilization to restore the soil.)

        • Ged

          That is likely the case. Or someone really likes bananas.

  • Mike Henderson

    More:
    “Take down and setup
    https://youtu.be/MCSryMOJcOI

    Me356 has an identical Optris Camera and has lent us the USB camera. He has also lent us his gamma detector to use if ours is not satisfactory. It is a gamma spectacular and we will have to download the software.”

    • Tight quarters.

      • Ged

        Thank goodness for the USB cable though.

    • Rene

      If you are going to use the Optris camera for measurements, try very hard to use the one you brought, otherwise you will find patho-skeptics hounding you about using a potentially compromised camera.
      Does the Optris connect with a micro USB-b to USB-a cable? OR does it have some proprietary funky connector?

      • Bob Greenyer

        It is our camera.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        I think Bob meant the USB cable for the camera (not the “USB camera”), which they had forgotten. Probably that cable is a special one with an integrated adapter.

    • Omega Z

      I’m Sorry,

      Have watched some of these video’s, Speed, GMO Caffeine, Sugar high or all the above. I can’t in good conscience accept any test done by these guys.

      Having followed this for several years, I have fallen way behind on my yard chores. If you could provide a link to your source, it would be greatly appreciated.

      🙂

  • Mike Henderson

    More:
    “Take down and setup
    https://youtu.be/MCSryMOJcOI

    Me356 has an identical Optris Camera and has lent us the USB camera. He has also lent us his gamma detector to use if ours is not satisfactory. It is a gamma spectacular and we will have to download the software.”

    • Tight quarters.

      • Ged

        Thank goodness for the USB cable though.

    • Rene

      If you are going to use the Optris camera for measurements, try very hard to use the one you brought, otherwise you will find patho-skeptics hounding you about using a potentially compromised camera.
      Does the Optris connect with a micro USB-b to USB-a cable? OR does it have some proprietary funky connector?

      • Bob Greenyer

        It is our camera.

      • roseland67

        Or just regular skeptics

      • Andreas Moraitis

        I think Bob meant the USB cable for the camera (not the “USB camera”), which they had forgotten. Probably that cable is a special one with an integrated adapter.

    • Omega Z

      I’m Sorry,

      Have watched some of these video’s, Speed, GMO Caffeine, Sugar high or all the above. I can’t in good conscience accept any test done by these guys.

      Having followed this for several years, I have fallen way behind on my yard chores. If you could provide a link to your source, it would be greatly appreciated.

      🙂

  • Bob Greenyer

    We are back at our digs now and winding down before rest.

    The reactor apparently takes about 10mins to get up to speed, but we still have a bit to do to set up the cameras, data syncing and other aspects tomorrow.

  • Bob Greenyer

    We are back at our digs now and winding down before rest.

    The reactor apparently takes about 10mins to get up to speed, but we still have a bit to do to set up the cameras, data syncing and other aspects tomorrow.

  • Bob Greenyer

    AURA: After on site set up

    Ryan, Brian and Bob discuss the break down and set up ready for AURA reactor testing.

    https://soundcloud.com/user-554048314/aura-after-on-site-set-up

    • Rene

      FYI. In the audio recording I could hear the phone’s data packets RFI bleeding into the audio. If you are going to use it to stream, consider placing it outside the work area so as not to potentially interfere with the test equipment.
      On the 3-phase, is it Y (hopefully with a neutral line) configured?

  • Bob Greenyer

    AURA: After on site set up

    Ryan, Brian and Bob discuss the break down and set up ready for AURA reactor testing.

    https://soundcloud.com/user-554048314/aura-after-on-site-set-up

    • Rene

      FYI. In the audio recording I could hear the phone’s data packets RFI bleeding into the audio. If you are going to use it to stream, consider placing it outside the work area so as not to potentially interfere with the test equipment.
      On the 3-phase, is it Y (hopefully with a neutral line) configured?

  • Bob Greenyer

    Looking for any DC components on supply power

    https://youtu.be/MYSBiNvwMLs

    • Ged

      Don’t forget your hard hats tomorrow; that old plaster’ll get ya!

      • Rene

        I was going to suggest a temporary repair, plaster spackle and tape. If it gets steamy and humid, that could cause a plaster drop event 🙂

    • Mats002

      Hope you all take time to sleep well also – that is good for sharp brains.

      • Bob Greenyer

        We are well rested – gonna stop by hardware store and get more light for the lab.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Looking for any DC components on supply power

    https://youtu.be/MYSBiNvwMLs

    • Ged

      Don’t forget your hard hats tomorrow; that old plaster’ll get ya!

      • Rene

        I was going to suggest a temporary repair, plaster spackle and tape. If it gets steamy and humid, that could cause a plaster drop event 🙂

    • Mats002

      Hope you all take time to sleep well also – that is good for sharp brains.

      • Bob Greenyer

        We are well rested – gonna stop by hardware store and get more light for the lab.

  • Cupid

    The Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project has planned to start its validation tests on me356’s AURA LENR reactor today (26th of May 2017) at around 14:00 UTC (estimated arrival time at me356’s testing site).

    You can follow this with live plots and data at the following websites:

    Plotly Live Plots (just dismiss the displayed sign-up popup by clicking to the “x” in the upper-right edge)

    Freeboard Live Data Dashboard

    AURA TEST LOG

  • The Lugano testers opted not to collect data on the E-Cat in self-sustain mode. In retrospect this was a horrible mistake as any self-sustain period or convincing heat after zero power would have cleared many things up.

    If you have that option, please exercise it.

    Also at the end of the test if me356 says it is possible to overdrive the reactor into either a meltdown or nasty emissions, that would be a spectacular set of data to acquire.

  • The Lugano testers opted not to collect data on the E-Cat in self-sustain mode. In retrospect this was a horrible mistake as any self-sustain period or convincing heat after zero power would have cleared many things up.

    If you have that option, please exercise it.

    Also at the end of the test if me356 says it is possible to overdrive the reactor into either a meltdown or nasty emissions, that would be a spectacular set of data to acquire.

    (copied to new thread)